First Firearm Thread.

[guitar4001]

so many pretty guns!

[Cigarcop]

I posted this picture earlier, but I wanted to ask about finishes. I've always wanted to have the frame hard chromed, but don't want to spend the $220.00 to get it done.
There are a lot of good things said about Cerakote.clicky (http://www.nicindustries.com/firearm_coatings.php)
Just wondering if anyone has used it, or had a firearm finished with this product? Its going to to be a DIY project..How hard can it be..? (Famous last words.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/jkach/DSCN1156-1.jpg
Cerakote is a great finish, not as slick as Hard Chroming though....Ion Bonding is another alternative but will cost you. For Cerakote you will have to blast your parts in 120 Alum Oxide, clean with parts cleaner then spray and bake. For small parts you can use an airbrush and your kitchen oven. They do make a non bake product but its not as durable....just Google Cerakoting and you'll find plenty of links on the how to...piece of cake...good luck!

[boom]

Just picked a few guns from my Mom that were may Dads and Grandfathers.... one I have no idea what it is and the other ... an 1897 Winchester 12 gauge Shotgun... lookin at the serial #'s its from 1913....Will get pics up later...

[boom]

Ok promised pics....

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/baseworks/Guns/DSCN0309.jpg

Winchester 1897 12 gauge made in 1913 according to the serial #, 30 inch barrel, Full choke, Walnut stock....

[JaKaacH]

Thats a cool 1897. Another one to thank John M. Browning for..:tu

I would not shoot it though until you get it checked out. Thought I've heard of some of them having lock up problems, ejecting out the bolt/slide when fired.

[boom]

Thats a cool 1897. Another one to thank John M. Browning for..:tu

I would not shoot it though until you get it checked out. Thought I've heard of some of them having lock up problems, shooting out the bolt when fired.

I shot trap with this about 18yrs ago... very heaving gun to sweep with... I think I am gonna let this one go so I can finance a new one

[boom]

Here is a link to my gallery ... need help to id an un-known rifle.... Only making on it is 5. at the end of the muzzle...

http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/baseworks/Guns/

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/baseworks/Guns/DSCN0282.jpg

[JaKaacH]

Two more of my 45's.
Box stock Taurus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/jkach/IMG_1575.jpg
Springfield Armory 1911 with some non box stock parts.
S&A or Ed Brown grip safety(can't remember which one I used)
Dlask trigger
Chip McCormick hammer, disconnecter and sear.
Over sized pin kit.
Full length guide rod.
Novak rear sight.
Ed Brown safety.
Houge Cocobolo grips and hex grip screws.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/jkach/IMG_1567.jpg

[safariguy]

Here is a link to my gallery ... need help to id an un-known rifle.... Only making on it is 5. at the end of the muzzle...



I will show these to my father in law. He restores antique firearms.

[HK3-]

Very interesting rifle Troy.

[boom]

Just got may HSC...:D

[Wolfgang]

Just got may HSC...:D

Congratulations!

I think it would be an interesting idea to have your Handgun Safety Certificate posted on the lawn instead of a Brinks alarm sign. lol :banger

[boom]

Congratulations!

I think it would be an interesting idea to have your Handgun Safety Certificate posted on the lawn instead of a Brinks alarm sign. lol :banger

:r

[JaKaacH]

Utah names official state firearm.
And a fine choice it is..:salute::usa
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-18/us/utah.state.firearm_1_wimmer-state-symbols-gary-herbert?_s=PM:US

[Montano]

I've always wanted one of these, and I finally got one :D

http://montano.me/pics/glock1.jpg

[safariguy]

I've always wanted one of these, and I finally got one :D

Congratulations! Have fun with it. :noon

[TBone]

Two more of my 45's.
Box stock Taurus
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/jkach/IMG_1575.jpg
Springfield Armory 1911 with some non box stock parts.
S&A or Ed Brown grip safety(can't remember which one I used)
Dlask trigger
Chip McCormick hammer, disconnecter and sear.
Over sized pin kit.
Full length guide rod.
Novak rear sight.
Ed Brown safety.
Houge Cocobolo grips and hex grip screws.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/jkach/IMG_1567.jpg

My Millenium Pro 45 is my carry everyday gun and use the S&W 1911 as my home defenses with a 20 round clip as a back up I have a Kurz .380/9mm that fits in the palm of my hand.

[safariguy]

I will show these to my father in law. He restores antique firearms.

OK I showed the pictures to my father in law. His best guess is late 19th/early 20th century maybe German gunsmith custom built and/or experimental gun. It is styled after the "schuetzen" long range European target shooting competitions that were popular then. Perhaps the 5 is 5mm. The action is something he has never seen before. The carving on the stock is more English and American style. If the stock was carved by a German it would have had a stag or a deer on it most likely. The double triggers also suggests German. Bottom line is, it's not a major manufacturer. Too bad you are so far away. We are in Michigan, otherwise he could take a look at it. By the way, here is a blatent plug for his website.

http://www.lyonsgunworks.com/

[HK3-]

Picked up a Colt New Agent 45 auto and a set of custom mother of pearl inlaid grips today on my lunch break. Need to find some longer screws to put on these new grips.

[HK3-]

Took a picture.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/Lvmesum3zs/Picture3132.jpg

[replicant_argent]

Took a picture.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/Lvmesum3zs/Picture3132.jpg

Those grips look great. So does the chunk of metal they are attached to. Nice purchase, Hal. I am in the middle of debating a 1911 myself.

[HK3-]

Those grips look great. So does the chunk of metal they are attached to. Nice purchase, Hal. I am in the middle of debating a 1911 myself.

Thanks. :tu

I decided on this particular model for three reasons. 1- no top sights makes it easier to draw because the top has nothing to snag on.(it has a trench site) 2- I wanted a 1911 frame but not in a full size so this was nice. 3- some of the others that are similar have a funny bushing in the front that makes it a beach to disassemble and reassemble.

[floydpink]

Interesting conversation at the range today.

I went to shoot my Mossberg and they have a rifle range that they allow you to shoot buckshot or slugs.

I bought some 00 Buck and he asked if I needed some to bring home as well as shoot.

I mentioned that I use #7 birdshot at home for defense and explained that the reason is to avoid overpenetration as my daughter's room is across the house. I also said I felt that steel birdshot at close range will make a bad day for an intruder.

He went on to say that if a crack head invaded my house on drugs, birdshot would make him angry and might not drop him.

While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

[MurphysLaw]

Interesting conversation at the range today.

I went to shoot my Mossberg and they have a rifle range that they allow you to shoot buckshot or slugs.

I bought some 00 Buck and he asked if I needed some to bring home as well as shoot.

I mentioned that I use #7 birdshot at home for defense and explained that the reason is to avoid overpenetration as my daughter's room is across the house. I also said I felt that steel birdshot at close range will make a bad day for an intruder.

He went on to say that if a crack head invaded my house on drugs, birdshot would make him angry and might not drop him.

While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

Here's an article about using birdshot for defense: http://shilohtv.com/?p=2490 While I don't use birdshot for home defense, it could be a viable option. I would load some 00 buck shells behind the birdshot for piece of mind, because if they're still coming after taking 2 rounds of birdshot at close range you've got some big problems...

[loki]

Interesting conversation at the range today.

I went to shoot my Mossberg and they have a rifle range that they allow you to shoot buckshot or slugs.

I bought some 00 Buck and he asked if I needed some to bring home as well as shoot.

I mentioned that I use #7 birdshot at home for defense and explained that the reason is to avoid overpenetration as my daughter's room is across the house. I also said I felt that steel birdshot at close range will make a bad day for an intruder.

He went on to say that if a crack head invaded my house on drugs, birdshot would make him angry and might not drop him.

While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

have you taken drywall to the range and fired your HD load at it? if not do so

[floydpink]

have you taken drywall to the range and fired your HD load at it? if not do so

Not sure they'd shut down the lanes and let me set uo my own drywall.....

[bonjing]

Taken from "The Box O' Truth"

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

Birdshot as a Defense Load
I have had a lot of questions, summed up as follows: How effective is birdshot (#4, #6, #8, etc.) as a defense load?

We have done tests with various birdshot loads. Birdshot penetrated through two pieces of drywall (representing one wall) and was stopped in the paper on the front of the second wall. The problem with birdshot is that it does not penetrate enough to be effective as a defense round. Birdshot is designed to bring down little birds.

A policeman told of seeing a guy shot at close range with a load of 12 gauge birdshot, and was not even knocked down. He was still walking around when the EMTs got there. It was an ugly, shallow wound, but did not STOP the guy. And that is what we want... to STOP the bad guy from whatever he is doing. To do this, you must have a load that will reach the vitals of the bad guy. Birdshot will not do this.

In fact, tests have shown that even #4 Buckshot lacks the necessary penetration to reach the vital organs. Only 0 Buck, 00 Buck, and 000 Buck penetrate enough to reach the vital organs.

Unless you expect to be attacked by little birds, do not use birdshot. Use 00 Buck. It will do the job.

But doesn't 00 Buck penetrate too much in interior walls to be a "safe" load in a home?
Yes, it does penetrate a lot. But any load that is going to be effective will need to penetrate walls to have enough power to penetrate bad guys. If our only concern was to be sure we didn't penetrate walls, we would use BB guns. However, BB guns will not stop bad guys.

Therefore, we must use loads that will STOP bad guys, and this means that they will also penetrate walls. So, be sure you hit the bad guy and do not shoot into walls where loved ones are on the other side.

Maybe one day if I find some extra drywall lying around I'll do the test myself around the 7 - 10yrd distance.

Also good reading:

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=176

[floydpink]

I've read the Box of Truth, which has me rethinking the bird shot.

I also lost count of how many times I've read about guys dying on Turkey hunts from friendly fire, although Dick Cheney's friend made it through..

I also have a friend who works trauma in the ER and has described what a birdshot wound from close range looks like and if someone still is coming after that, I am in trouble.

I still am under the impression that at 15 yards or less, which is almost anywhere I would be involved in my house, there won't be too much spread from birdshot.

My decision would be a lot easier if the most important thing in my life didn't sleep in such a non strategic location and the thought of overpenetration didn't weigh so heavily.

[bonjing]

My decision would be a lot easier if the most important thing in my life didn't sleep in such a non strategic location and the thought of overpenetration didn't weigh so heavily.

Then don't let me change your mind, just practice your double and triple taps :tu

[floydpink]

On a side note, I picked up a Mossberg Maverick at Walmart last Wednesday for $175.

They cal it the Mexican Mossberg because some of the parts are made in Mexico, but the gun is assembled in the Mossberg plant in Texas.

It is nearly identical to the Mossberg 500 with the exception if the cross bar safety and synthetic stock, which can easly be swapped with the 500's stock if you want.

The only problem was it was a field model with a 26" barrel, which a trip to the gunsmith and $40 corrected and it is now 1/2 " above legal limit at 18.5".

I'll try to post up a pic later.

[fireguy714]

anyone looking to unload a ar-15 colt or springfield or open to suggestions, im in cali so pre or post assult weapon ban, long as the 10 rd clip can be removed with that "special tool". Also looking for a barrett 50 10+ rd w or without scope, its for rabbit hunting i swear.

[bonjing]

anyone looking to unload a ar-15 colt or springfield or open to suggestions, im in cali so pre or post assult weapon ban, long as the 10 rd clip can be removed with that "special tool". Also looking for a barrett 50 10+ rd w or without scope, its for rabbit hunting i swear.

Not sure if you're joking or not.

Colts are pretty much banned by name except one, can't remember it off the top of my head right now. Not sure if springfield is making one as I don't follow their line of goods. And 50's have been banned as well.

[Eleven]

Not sure if you're joking or not.

Colts are pretty much banned by name except one, can't remember it off the top of my head right now. Not sure if springfield is making one as I don't follow their line of goods. And 50's have been banned as well.


Stay classy California...

[JaKaacH]

On a side note, I picked up a Mossberg Maverick at Walmart last Wednesday for $175.

They cal it the Mexican Mossberg because some of the parts are made in Mexico, but the gun is assembled in the Mossberg plant in Texas.

It is nearly identical to the Mossberg 500 with the exception if the cross bar safety and synthetic stock, which can easly be swapped with the 500's stock if you want.

The only problem was it was a field model with a 26" barrel, which a trip to the gunsmith and $40 corrected and it is now 1/2 " above legal limit at 18.5".

I'll try to post up a pic later.

Just asking, does that mod have to be done by a gunsmith?

[floydpink]

Just asking, does that mod have to be done by a gunsmith?

No. Believe me, I thought of putting the barrel on the work bench and hacking it off like a redneck.

They do a much nicer job and re- crown it and it looks new.

I was going to buy a barrel online but it cost about what the shotgun.

[fireguy714]

cali law states that clips must be perm. attatched, and you must top load through the open bolt, a speed loader doesnt work to great if your in a hurry. it is a felony for a clip that holds more than 10 rds, all clips must have a block installed, you can have a 50 rd mag but when rangers show up that 11th rd = time. Military can have 10 plus, but if the ranger is a dXXk good luck. like game hunting, if ir tube feeds more than 3, out of luck. Been stopped by a ranger they been cool with proper id for hi cap mags, but there is that one. Buddy has a belt fed ar15, cant wait to meet the rangers on that one, but rabbits breed fast and you gotta keep up. keep shooting, theres always targets:banger

[boom]

Just put a down on my new m&p 40

[Bax]

Took a picture.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/Lvmesum3zs/Picture3132.jpg

She's a beaut' Hal, we need to go shooting one day! :tu

[MurphysLaw]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Brian32FSU/ClipMagazineLesson-1-.jpg

[gettysburgfreak]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Brian32FSU/ClipMagazineLesson-1-.jpg


HAHA at the academy the first day of firearms training one of my classmates called it a clip and he got reamed by one of the instructors.

[replicant_argent]

While I disagree, it has me thinking about loading 2 birdshots, then getting more serious after and leaving the last 3 as buck shot.

While I am nervous about the prospect of remodeling or rebuilding the house after shooting buckshot, it sure beats the alternative.

You may only get time for one shot. Don't fnck around.
Your theory is one of a badly flawed tactical plan that borders on "I will shoot to wound him," instead of inflicting grievous bodily harm. If you pull a trigger, it should be to neutralize the threat as quickly as possible. It isn't as if you are trying to cure a headache with a half an aspirin and then take another if the migraine doesn't go away.
If any of your concerns are for your house (not your house in combination with your family behind a component of your house), you should be rethinking your priorities, the ones you have may get someone hurt or killed with that hesitation, and I don't mean the BG.
If your daughter is in a no-fire slice of the pie for your home defense tactics or practices, it should affect how you counter a threat in your home, and requires modifications of your behavior and practice drills, your preparation of your home and the people in it, and the actual actions taken by you and your family under stress to overcome that situational possibility.

[floydpink]

Ok Pete,

So how good are you at drywall repair then?

I'm headed to Wally world for some 00 buck.

I did mention, though, that remodeling a house would be much more preferable than the alternative.

I've already had a family discussion about the dangers of guns and they aren't like the toy ones and am planning a couple of emergency scenario plans including hurricanes and home invasion.

Hopefully I'll never need either, and in the unfortunate event of a home invasion, the preferrable scenario would be an alarm going off, dog barking, and the universal sound of a shotgun racking and no shots fired.

Doing a house sweep in the middle of the night with a shotgun and limited light is what I'd like to avoid.

I'm no Steven Segal, and prefer a non violent outcome, but am fully prepared in my house and on the street to defend myself and my family.

NRA for life.

[HK3-]

She's a beaut' Hal, we need to go shooting one day! :tu

Thank Tim. Indeed we need to. I've been itching to go.

[replicant_argent]

Ok Pete,

So how good are you at drywall repair then?


I have had a drywall knife in my hands for many, many hours.
That being said, it doesn't mean I don't suck at it. ;)

I hope your plan is well thought out, well practiced, and your family doesn't think you are a nutbag.

[Ender]

I have had a drywall knife in my hands for many, many hours.
That being said, it doesn't mean I don't suck at it. ;)

I hope your plan is well thought out, well practiced, and your family doesn't think you are a nutbag.

Have you seen the name of this forum?:=:

[Neens]

It was a clean and lube day today so I took a few pics.

My two 9mm, a sig 226 and a walther pps
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/pearcea1/IMG_0023.jpg

1911s, a Kimber ultra II and a wilson combat
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/pearcea1/IMG_0025.jpg

My pocket freight train a glock 30
http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/pearcea1/IMG_0026.jpg

[HollywoodQue]

My home protection program...always locked and loaded!!!

http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j337/evidtech/myhumi001.jpg


http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j337/evidtech/myhumi002.jpg

Merlin 22 cal rifle model 60

Marverick by Mossberg, 12 ga pump model 88

M&P by SW 40 cal semi-auto

Cobra by Colt 38 spl 6-shot

Glock 40 cal semi-auto model 27

Airweight hammerless by S&W 38 spl 5-shot

Lorcin stainless steel w/pearl handle 25 cal model L25

[HK3-]

Picked up a Fobus holster over the weekend. Didn't like the fit so I ordered a Blackhawk leather holster online. Just can't seem to like the hard plastic holsters....

Also, looking at purchasing some type of 1911 22LR for my wife to shoot. Anyone own one or have any suggestions?

[replicant_argent]

Also, looking at purchasing some type of 1911 22LR for my wife to shoot. Anyone own one or have any suggestions?

The Ruger 22/45 looks to be WELL liked.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?pg=list&mfg=Ruger&mdl=22%2f45&cat=1&type=Semi-Automatic+Pistol&cal=22LR&fin=&sit=&zipcode=55449
Put your own zip code in to see what you can get it shipped to a local store for.
While it isn't on a 1911 frame per se, the controls are designed to be pretty close, and the grip angle is precisely the same, the weight is also in the ballpark.

[HK3-]

The Ruger 22/45 looks to be WELL liked.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?pg=list&mfg=Ruger&mdl=22%2f45&cat=1&type=Semi-Automatic+Pistol&cal=22LR&fin=&sit=&zipcode=55449
Put your own zip code in to see what you can get it shipped to a local store for.
While it isn't on a 1911 frame per se, the controls are designed to be pretty close, and the grip angle is precisely the same, the weight is also in the ballpark.

Thanks for the link. I don't really care for that style to be quite honest. :)

[replicant_argent]

Picky Bastard.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?pg=list&mfg=Chiappa+Firearms+Ltd&mdl=All&cat=All&type=All&cal=22LR&fin=&sit=&zipcode=55449
http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=609
and of course the boatload of conversions.

[HK3-]

Picky Bastard.
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?pg=list&mfg=Chiappa+Firearms+Ltd&mdl=All&cat=All&type=All&cal=22LR&fin=&sit=&zipcode=55449
http://dealer.americantactical.us/products?product=609
and of course the boatload of conversions.

Much better. :tu
Thanks again.

[HK3-]

Hit the indoor range after work yesterday. First clip passed through nicely although my new set of grips did not handle so well. Noticed pieces of black stuff on my shirt sleeves... it was fragments of my new grips. :fl

Contacted the guy I purchased them from and he said they have no warranty. Bummer dude.

[replicant_argent]

Hit the indoor range after work yesterday. First clip passed through nicely although my new set of grips did not handle so well. Noticed pieces of black stuff on my shirt sleeves... it was fragments of my new grips. :fl

Contacted the guy I purchased them from and he said they have no warranty. Bummer dude.

Time to talk to Esmerelda.
I bet you would like the Celtic Cross on the bottom right.
http://www.esmeralda.cc/1911_compact_2.htm

[replicant_argent]

Went to the range with a buddy on Sunday. I figured I would burn through some American Eagle 9mm I got cheap. On both pistols I brought, I was having occasional light primer strikes, (hard primers, maybe?) and on the Kahr FTRTB as well. The G17 had a couple primer strike issues as well. I am not amused in the slightest.
In any case, it calls for a full detail strip, clean and lube of both pistols. I was going to do it yesterday but got overtaken by events.

[Aero95]

Hit the indoor range after work yesterday. First clip passed through nicely although my new set of grips did not handle so well. Noticed pieces of black stuff on my shirt sleeves... it was fragments of my new grips. :fl

Contacted the guy I purchased them from and he said they have no warranty. Bummer dude.

What kind of grips are they and what kind of gun?

[HK3-]

Time to talk to Esmerelda.
I bet you would like the Celtic Cross on the bottom right.
http://www.esmeralda.cc/1911_compact_2.htm

I do like them. Think I will just hold off and use the factory grips for awhile.

[HK3-]

What kind of grips are they and what kind of gun?

They are custom made so they really don't have a name brand. I picked them up off a guy on gunbroker.com. They are on a colt new agent .45 cal. I do see what the problem is after further investigation. It appears that the grips were touching the safely and the shock from the firing appears to have caused the damage.

[SNKBYT]

Time to talk to Esmerelda.
I bet you would like the Celtic Cross on the bottom right.
http://www.esmeralda.cc/1911_compact_2.htm

purchased a set of grips for my Kimber Raptor 1911 from her....great grips & CS

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/BAF%20I/July09/DSCN0476.jpg

[MurphysLaw]

Those are some great looking grips, lots of nice stuff on their site too. If I had a second 1911 I'd be all over a set of those.

[BloodSpite]

if I had a 1911 I'd be all over'em

Time to find a Gun Show:banger

[HK3-]

Anyone own a Remington R-1? Found one for a great price and was looking for some opinions before pulling the trigger.

[SNKBYT]

Those are some great looking grips, lots of nice stuff on their site too. If I had a second 1911 I'd be all over a set of those.
if I had a 1911 I'd be all over'em
Time to find a Gun Show:banger

she carries grips for other pistols as well as 1911s

[replicant_argent]

http://www.esmeralda.cc/
Alex is quite correct.
1911 Full Size
1911 Compact
Slender Series Grips
Slender Compact
1911 Magwell
Browning Hi-Power
Beretta
Ruger Single Action
Ruger MKII
Ruger Bisley
S&W J frame
BobTail Grips



Also, Alex, I found some that reminded me of you, even though I obviously like the ones you have on your 1911.

http://www.gunlistings.org/missouri-gun-classifieds/kansas_city/pistols/43054/first_edition_colt_1911_45acp_dont_tread_on_me_nev er

[hotreds]

Shotguns: The Best Felon Killing Home Defense Tool Ever Made
by Richard Johnson

03/29/2011

Countless hours have been spent arguing what makes the “best” home defense gun. The reality is there is not a single gun that meets the requirements of every person and household.

Frequently, when talking about home defense guns, the shotgun is brought up first. The shotgun can make a very good home defense weapon, but it does have limitations that should be carefully considered.

Power

Shotguns offer devastating stopping power. From a 12 gauge shell, a homeowner can put nine 00-buck (.33 caliber) pellets into an assailant with each pull of the trigger. While this is not guaranteed to stop a determined attacker, it is certainly an attention getter.

By comparison, a 9mm pistol fires a single .355 caliber bullet at typically slower velocities than the shotgun. You would have to pull the trigger nine times on a pistol to put the same kind of stopping power into an assailant as a single shotgun shell.

But there are a number of drawbacks associated with the shotgun including recoil, size and unrealistic expectations regarding performance.

Ouch Factor

Shotgun recoil is stout. A smaller statured shooter is less likely to want to shoot a 12 gauge pump. The very thing that makes the shotgun so effective — power — is the same thing that makes people shy away from using it.

Shotgun recoil can be tamed in a variety of ways. For example, consider using a 20 gauge instead of 12 gauge shotgun. A 20 gauge shotgun loaded with #3 buck (20 .25 caliber pellets) is nearly as effective on human targets in across-the-room distances as a 12 gauge loaded with 00-buck, but has significantly less recoil.

Also, the use of a semi-auto shotgun can reduce felt recoil since the operating system uses some of that energy to eject and chamber shells. Moving from a 12 gauge pump to a semi automatic 20 can really change a reluctant shooter into a willing one.

If you decide to go with the 12 gauge shotgun, consider using the reduced recoil loads offered by most manufacturers. These loads have been used to great effect by law enforcement agencies, with no noticeable loss in terminal performance. In other words, less recoil but same stopping power.

A Knoxx recoil reduction stock from BLACKHAWK! significantly reduces recoil. As a former cop, I carried a shotgun in a patrol car for more than 10 years, and I state without any hesitation that the Knoxx stock is the best accessory ever designed for a combat shotgun.

Size Matters

Size matters in two important aspects: length of barrel and length of pull.

The length of the shotgun barrel typically ranges from 18” to 28”. Anything shorter is illegal without the proper tax stamp from Big Brother.

A long shotgun barrel, such as would be used for wing shooting, is difficult to tactically maneuver through a house. I would never suggest leaving the relative safety of an entrenched position to go looking for home intruders, but reality is you may have to move from your room to go protect your children or other family member.

An 18” - 20” barrel is optimal. If you have a shotgun with a longer barrel, you can easily purchase a second barrel that installs in about five minutes. When you get ready to go hunting, simply swap the barrel back. Shotguns are very easy with which to work.

Second Childhood

Length of pull refers to how a long gun fits you. If the size of the shotgun is wrong, you are going to be less accurate and it will be more difficult for you to work the slide and other controls on the gun.

While aftermarket stocks like the Knoxx allow for an adjustable length of pull, another option is to purchase a youth-sized shotgun. These shotguns have a shorter stock for children learning to shoot. The great thing is, these same guns work very well for many women and smaller statured men.

A side benefit for the youth guns is they often times are slightly less expensive than their larger cousins.

Point and Shoot - No Aiming Required

I cringe every time I hear a gun store commando telling a novice shooter “With the scattergun, all ya gots to do is just point it in the general direction and pull the trigger. You ain’t gotta aim.”

Bovine manure. Shotguns come with a sighting system for a reason. At typical house distances (down the hall, across the room), the shot pattern is going to be very tight. If you do not aim, you will miss.

If you don’t believe me, carry your shotgun out to the range and shoot man-sized targets at five yards. The hole it makes will be impressive. But, you will notice that there is very little spread of the pellets. In other words, if you don’t aim, that tight group of pellets is likely go go somewhere other than the intruder.

The Magic of Racking a Shotgun

Another piece of gun store hero advice goes something along the lines of “The sound of a 12 gauge being racked will cause the assailant to wet himself and run, you’ll never have to shoot.”

Much like the previous statement, this piece of ‘wisdom’ is better used for fertilizing vegetables than for self defense.

I’ve spent a significant portion of my adult life dealing with the criminal element. Today’s criminal is a predator who is not scared of a homeowner merely making noise with a shotgun.

If someone comes into your home to do you harm, racking the shotgun will not scare them away. Through rage, socialization or drugs human predators are frequently incapable of feeling fear or compassion. Making noise will not likely stop an attacker. Lead will.

This is My Boomstick

The shotgun offers a lot of advantages for a home defense gun. They offer exceptional stopping power, are relatively inexpensive and they are pretty simple to operate.

However, the shotgun is not a perfect tool. Your circumstances and needs may dictate an alternative weapon to the shotgun. But finding the proper shotgun for your needs and a little planning, the ‘old smoothbore’ can be an extremely effective tool for protecting you and your family.

Effective Tools for Felon Repellant

Remington 870, model 24591 – This is a 12 gauge shotgun built on the famous 870 action, but with a few nice upgrades. From the factory, it comes with the Knoxx recoil reducing stock, a Wilson Combat ghost ring rear sight and a XS front sight post. MSRP $986.

Mossberg 930 Home Security, model 85320 – This 12 gauge is a reasonably priced, reliable semi-auto shotgun. No frills, just business. With a 4+1 capacity, front bead sight and Mossberg ambidextrous safety, this shotgun is easy to run and easy on the wallet. MSRP $612.

Remington 11-87 Sportsman Youth – As a compact, easy shooting shotgun, it is tough to beat the Remington 11-87 Youth. A semi-auto chambered in 20 gauge, this shotgun has a 21” barrel and a adjustable pull of length, meaning you can fit the firearm perfectly for the shooter. MSRP $804.

Federal Power-Shok 20 Gauge, #3 Buck – Full power, yet easier shooting that 12 gauge, these shells load 20 #3 buck pellets and launches them at 1200 fps. The tight patterns mean a devastating impact on any unwanted house guests. Expect to pay around $4.50 for a box of five.

Hornady Critical Defense 12 Gauge 00 Buck – Designed specifically for personal defense, these reduced recoil loads from Hornady feature eight 00 buck pellets moving at 1600 fps. Street price is about $9.50 for a box of 10.



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Richard Johnson is the co-owner of GunsForSale.com.

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[MurphysLaw]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Brian32FSU/guns/DSCN2602.jpg

SKS with Tapco conversion and WASR-10

[MiamiE]

Them WASR's are built right in Palm Beach I believe. I have had a couple problems with mine, but for the price I paid it's worth it!

[iRiSh]

Great thread.

What criteria do you have to match in the states for buying a gun?
Is it the same for say machine gun and handgun?

I have to laugh, in Ireland there is a big market for Airsoft Guns
See this site http://www.airsoftarmoury.co.uk/index.php?cPath=4_11_73

Toy guns compared to the real deal stuff in this thread

[replicant_argent]

Shotguns: The Best Felon Killing Home Defense Tool Ever Made
by Richard Johnson

A Knoxx recoil reduction stock from BLACKHAWK! significantly reduces recoil. As a former cop, I carried a shotgun in a patrol car for more than 10 years, and I state without any hesitation that the Knoxx stock is the best accessory ever designed for a combat shotgun.


Effective Tools for Felon Repellant

Remington 870, model 24591 – This is a 12 gauge shotgun built on the famous 870 action, but with a few nice upgrades. From the factory, it comes with the Knoxx recoil reducing stock, a Wilson Combat ghost ring rear sight and a XS front sight post. MSRP $986.

Mossberg 930 Home Security, model 85320 – This 12 gauge is a reasonably priced, reliable semi-auto shotgun. No frills, just business. With a 4+1 capacity, front bead sight and Mossberg ambidextrous safety, this shotgun is easy to run and easy on the wallet. MSRP $612.

Remington 11-87 Sportsman Youth – As a compact, easy shooting shotgun, it is tough to beat the Remington 11-87 Youth. A semi-auto chambered in 20 gauge, this shotgun has a 21” barrel and a adjustable pull of length, meaning you can fit the firearm perfectly for the shooter. MSRP $804.
----------------------------Richard Johnson is the co-owner of GunsForSale.com.


The Knoxx bottoms out (on your shoulder, as designed) and then dissapates felt recoil by "hinging" up (again, as designed), smacking your cheek with the bump on the end of the compression tube if you have a proper cheek weld. No thanks for me. I would rather have a sore shoulder than feel like someone punched me in the face. Maybe I don't know how to shoot a shotgun very well. Granted, I am not a shotgun guru or anything, just a regular guy, not a former cop or a uber cool security specialist (or a guy that profits from firearms sales) or anything. Maybe this dude doesn't get a firm cheek weld, or likes getting punched in the face. Don't ask, don't tell.
Interesting that all three of the shotguns recommended are well over 500 bucks, and approaching a grand. I think this guy was writing for a very specific audience...... and it isn't me, I guess.
While I agree with much of the article, (posted here:http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42558 , correct?) kind of an interesting take on the issue, but I think he was a little myopic on a couple salient points.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=42558#comment-174143933
The authors response to this comment certainly points to fear-mongering and while there may be some root truths, I also imagine he is quite happy he can reap the benefits of people panicking and purchasing some shotguns from him. Just my couple cents worth on him.

[hammondc]

Great thread.

What criteria do you have to match in the states for buying a gun?
Is it the same for say machine gun and handgun?

I have to laugh, in Ireland there is a big market for Airsoft Guns
See this site http://www.airsoftarmoury.co.uk/index.php?cPath=4_11_73

Toy guns compared to the real deal stuff in this thread


Very little in most of the U.S. You have to have a reflection, be able to breathe and not have any Felonies. Plus some money. Concealed Carry laws vary, but they are pretty lax in most states.

[MurphysLaw]

Them WASR's are built right in Palm Beach I believe. I have had a couple problems with mine, but for the price I paid it's worth it!

Never had a problem with mine, bought it cheap at an auction, been thinking about swapping the furniture out on it when funds allow

[357]

Great thread.

What criteria do you have to match in the states for buying a gun?
Is it the same for say machine gun and handgun?

I have to laugh, in Ireland there is a big market for Airsoft Guns
See this site http://www.airsoftarmoury.co.uk/index.php?cPath=4_11_73

Toy guns compared to the real deal stuff in this thread

Any firearm purchase from a licensed dealer (FFL) must first submit a NIC test. National Instant Check is a federal database the FBI runs to let FFL dealers know if their potential customer is a felon (and therefore not allowed to buy a firearm). Some states do allow felons to get firearms but this is not the general rule, but a very rare exception under specific circumstances. Most felons are not even allowed to be in a home with firearms.

Anyway, any record of that NIC process is supposed to be destroyed within 24 hours. The federal gov got caught violating this law under President Clinton. Some personal sales (not from FFL dealer to customer, but person to person) do not have to be run through the NIC process, but this varies by state.

Handguns are often regulated more strictly. Again it varies by state. In Michigan you have to get a purchase permit first (process includes a background check similar to the federal one), unless you have a concealed pistol license (allowing you to carry concealed), the FFL will still run a NIC, and that handgun's serial number must be registered under your name in a statewide database. Texas and some other states do not require registration of handguns or the purchase permit process. Some districts and cities have even banned handguns, but those laws are being struck down due to a recent supreme court ruling.

Carrying is another thing altogether. Some 45+ states allow for concealed carry in some form. 40 or so have "shall issue" laws meaning that the state must grant a concealed carry permit unless they have reason not to (i.e. DUI, certain other misdemeanors, and of course felony convictions). The list of disqualifications also varies by state. I've had my Michigan concealed pistol license for almost 9 years. Michigan's permit is valid for me to carry in some 35+ states as well. Gotta love reciprocity.

Hope that is clear as mud. :tu

[iRiSh]

Very little in most of the U.S. You have to have a reflection, be able to breathe and not have any Felonies. Plus some money. Concealed Carry laws vary, but they are pretty lax in most states.
:D
Any firearm purchase from a licensed dealer (FFL) must first submit a NIC test. National Instant Check is a federal database the FBI runs to let FFL dealers know if their potential customer is a felon (and therefore not allowed to buy a firearm). Some states do allow felons to get firearms but this is not the general rule, but a very rare exception under specific circumstances. Most felons are not even allowed to be in a home with firearms.

Anyway, any record of that NIC process is supposed to be destroyed within 24 hours. The federal gov got caught violating this law under President Clinton. Some personal sales (not from FFL dealer to customer, but person to person) do not have to be run through the NIC process, but this varies by state.

Handguns are often regulated more strictly. Again it varies by state. In Michigan you have to get a purchase permit first (process includes a background check similar to the federal one), unless you have a concealed pistol license (allowing you to carry concealed), the FFL will still run a NIC, and that handgun's serial number must be registered under your name in a statewide database. Texas and some other states do not require registration of handguns or the purchase permit process. Some districts and cities have even banned handguns, but those laws are being struck down due to a recent supreme court ruling.

Carrying is another thing altogether. Some 45+ states allow for concealed carry in some form. 40 or so have "shall issue" laws meaning that the state must grant a concealed carry permit unless they have reason not to (i.e. DUI, certain other misdemeanors, and of course felony convictions). The list of disqualifications also varies by state. I've had my Michigan concealed pistol license for almost 9 years. Michigan's permit is valid for me to carry in some 35+ states as well. Gotta love reciprocity.

Hope that is clear as mud. :tu

Thanks Bud. What Reason can an ordinary Joe give for him/Her to carry a gun around with them in their day to day lives?

[replicant_argent]

:D


Thanks Bud. What Reason can an ordinary Joe give for him/Her to carry a gun around with them in their day to day lives?

In a "shall issue" state, you don't need to give a reason. Part of the whole "keep and bear arms" right. No law says you can't.
There are, however usually federal or state restrictions, such as no carry inside security at an airport, in a post office, in a school or on school property (with some exeptions), in a court facility. (In my state at least.)

Worth some thought about whether the government can "grant" rights, or simply restrict them. Which gets into a philosophical discussion we can't really have here.

[357]

:D


Thanks Bud. What Reason can an ordinary Joe give for him/Her to carry a gun around with them in their day to day lives?

The second amendment. Funny is they actually ask you right before issuing a CPL, every single person says "Personal protection". You don't need any more of a reason. In reality our second amendment was written to keep our own federal government from oppressing us. The first attempt at organizing our nation did not include a federal government. That is how concerned our founders were of an overreaching and oppressive federal body.

The text:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Recent supreme court rulings have re-affirmed that this was not a right delegated to some organized body, but that the militia is the people, and hence it is an individual right. At the time of the writing of the second amendment the militia consisted of all able bodied men of at least 18 years of age.

[357]

Worth some thought about whether the government can "grant" rights, or simply restrict them. Which gets into a philosophical discussion we can't really have here.

Well IMO the Declaration of Independence pretty much clears that up

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Therefore the U.S. Constitution and it's Bill of Rights do not grant rights, but rather protect them. The Constitution also specifically enumerates the powers of the federal goverment to prevent it from overreaching. Hench the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[iRiSh]

In a "shall issue" state, you don't need to give a reason. Part of the whole "keep and bear arms" right. No law says you can't.
There are, however usually federal or state restrictions, such as no carry inside security at an airport, in a post office, in a school or on school property (with some exeptions), in a court facility. (In my state at least.)

Worth some thought about whether the government can "grant" rights, or simply restrict them. Which gets into a philosophical discussion we can't really have here.

The second amendment. Funny is they actually ask you right before issuing a CPL, every single person says "Personal protection". You don't need any more of a reason. In reality our second amendment was written to keep our own federal government from oppressing us. The first attempt at organizing our nation did not include a federal government. That is how concerned our founders were of an overreaching and oppressive federal body.

The text:


Recent supreme court rulings have re-affirmed that this was not a right delegated to some organized body, but that the militia is the people, and hence it is an individual right. At the time of the writing of the second amendment the militia consisted of all able bodied men of at least 18 years of age.


Thanks for Replies:tu

[replicant_argent]

Well IMO the Declaration of Independence pretty much clears that up



Therefore the U.S. Constitution and it's Bill of Rights do not grant rights, but rather protect them. The Constitution also specifically enumerates the powers of the federal goverment to prevent it from overreaching. Hench the 10th Amendment.

I wouldn't argue with you. Others will, and do, and aren't necessarily right, IMO. That was my point.

[SNKBYT]

http://www.esmeralda.cc/
Alex is quite correct.
Also, Alex, I found some that reminded me of you, even though I obviously like the ones you have on your 1911.
http://www.gunlistings.org/missouri-gun-classifieds/kansas_city/pistols/43054/first_edition_colt_1911_45acp_dont_tread_on_me_nev er

I like the "don't tread on me" engraving...thanks Pete

[Ender]

she carries grips for other pistols as well as 1911s
Here's my new grips from Esmeralda. I was very pleased that there is a noticeable variance from the other ones I saw here.
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/squigg1/019.jpg

[replicant_argent]

Here's my new grips from Esmeralda. I was very pleased that there is a noticeable variance from the other ones I saw here.
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/squigg1/019.jpg

Love those Valors, ahhhh if wishes were only a few bucks less, lol.

[Ender]

I agree Pete. It's my baby.

[Wolfgang]

Are there any highly recommended 1911s out there around 700-800 stock that are also worth customizing a little (triggers, safety, internals, etc)?

[emopunker2004]

Are there any highly recommended 1911s out there around 700-800 stock that are also worth customizing a little (triggers, safety, internals, etc)?

From what I've heard the Rock Island Armory 1911s are very good and run $400+ depending on the one you get.

[Bill86]

My bro scored a Dan Wesson 1911 for like $850. That thing is :dr I'm not too sure what you would change on it but it's a hell of a 1911 stock.

[iRiSh]

Here's my new grips from Esmeralda. I was very pleased that there is a noticeable variance from the other ones I saw here.
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/squigg1/019.jpg

Nice:tu

[MurphysLaw]

Are there any highly recommended 1911s out there around 700-800 stock that are also worth customizing a little (triggers, safety, internals, etc)?

Springfield Armory also has a few 1911s in that range, but I REALLY want their SOCOM rifle

[357]

You can get a good 1911 for that price range. I would recommend you make sure you have dovetail front and rear sights as that is the most common item people like to change, other than grips of course. If you do not get dovetail sights, you'll have to machine the slide to replace the sights (not cheap). If you do get dovetail sights, you can change the sights yourself with a simple allen wrench.

Lowered and flared ejection port, external extractor, beavertail grip safety, skelotonized trigger/hammer, front serrations on the slide, chambered round indicator, a Swartz firing-pin block (deactivated by the grip safety rather than by the trigger like in the 80s series Colts), extended mag-release and extended slide-release are other very commonly sought after "upgrades" you don't get on many of the entry-level 1911s. Some are drop-in replacements you can make after the fact, but many of these require machining the frame or slide so they are something you might want to get the first go-round.

Start looking into manufacterer's tolerances and you also begin to see glaring differences in the brands. I did a ton of research before buying my 1911. I narrowed it down to two brands and I am thrilled with my purchase 8+ years later.

That said, I was not in the market for a handmade 1911. They can exceed the tight tolerances of a well CNC machined pistol, but you will pay for it. Also, many of the manufacterers of 1911s today were not available in 2002. S&W being one of the bigger ones.

I got down to either a Springfield or a Kimber. Still similar today, Springfield offers an entry model called the "Mil-Spec" that has some of the features I wanted (listed above) but not all. In fact it lacks some of the ones that require machining to add later. You could get all of those features if you stepped up to a Springfield "Loaded" model, but it was a $200-$300 jump. Kimber's base model called the "Custom" has all of the features listed above and it is usually about $100-$200 more than the Springfield "Mil-Spec". Kimber also runs a little tighter tolerances than Springfield, and they machine their slide and frame out of a single forging. Those two are then serialized so they remain together until final assembly. They are the only 1911 manufacturer I am aware of that does that. Both are great pistols that will last a lifetime, but I'm happy with my decision.

[357]

BTW, check out http://www.gunsamerica.com for good prices. They are often cheaper when bought out of state. You don't have to pay sales tax, but you do have to kick in shipping and FFL transfer fees. 8 years ago I paid about $100 less than retail for my pistol, $20 shipping and $10 FFL fee. So I saved $70 off the top, plus I saved 6% sales tax on a $650 purchase (another $39). Total savings for me was about $119. I got my Kimber Custom (in stainless steel) for $680 total. Hard to do that now given price increases, but GA saved me some money. They even have an FFL finder and list their fees.


Good luck.

[BnBTobacco]

Oh fine. You want a picture?

http://home.earthlink.net/~kohlmeier/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mod28.jpg

S&W Model 28

Purchased new in December, 1974.

Still looks like the day I bought it. I've picked up a few more since then. :D

And so I remember my father's revolver..

[SNKBYT]

Are there any highly recommended 1911s out there around 700-800 stock that are also worth customizing a little (triggers, safety, internals, etc)?

Kimber straight from the box has a few in the $800-$1400 range....no upgrades needed:2

[Ender]

I've shot a few Kimbers and I love em'. If you can find one (even if it's used) for under $1000 then I'd consider it.:2

[357]

This is the exact model I have, only a number of years newer.

Kimber Custom II in Stainless (5 inch)

http://www.gunsamerica.com/975536640/Guns/Pistols/Kimber-of-America-Pistols/STAINLESS_CUSTOM_II_5_45_ACP.htm

$815 + $22 shipping + whatever local FFL will charge you for transfer (usually $15-30).


And a smaller 3-inch model, a CDP, which is the line I like the best.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/975536640/Guns/Pistols/Kimber-of-America-Pistols/STAINLESS_CUSTOM_II_5_45_ACP.htm

It has an aggressive melted look with all the normal upgrades found on a Kimber plus an aluminum alloy frame (cuts 15 oz off the weight), night sights, ambi thumb safety, bushingless barrel, and more. It is listed at $1100 with free shipping + your local FFL fee.

[loki]

Kimber straight from the box has a few in the $800-$1400 range....no upgrades needed:2

unless you want the new ones to work...

[HK3-]

Picked up a walther p22 for my wife to shoot this past Friday. Took her to the range Saturday morning and all the lanes were filled and they had a line waiting.... :td

[BnBTobacco]

Nice:tu

Yeah, thumbs up buddy!!!:tu

[Ender]

Yeah, thumbs up buddy!!!:tu

Thanks.

[76GTFan]

From what I've heard the Rock Island Armory 1911s are very good and run $400+ depending on the one you get.

They are as reliable as glock.

I had the chance last week to pick one up for 367.00. No funds to splurge.:mad:

Right now I own a Glock 22 .40 S&W, and a Ruger LCP .380

[Tikihut27]

My new carry piece. jk

c1991 IMI Desert Eagle MK VII in .44 magnum.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/IMIDesertEagle_L.jpg

I have absolutely no logical reason for owning this.

[hscmit]

My new carry piece. jk

c1991 IMI Desert Eagle MK VII in .44 magnum.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/IMIDesertEagle_L.jpg

I have absolutely no logical reason for owning this.

awesomeness can be its own reason

and more affordable to shoot than the .50:sh

[Tikihut27]

Here it is next to a Mauser 1914 for comparison.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/DSC_0111.jpg

[elderboy02]

Nice grips Andrew!

[Ender]

Nice grips Andrew!

I was wondering how long it was going to take you to make a comment. I figured you'd it was taking so long because you were going to show up at my door.

[Aero95]

Here's my new grips from Esmeralda. I was very pleased that there is a noticeable variance from the other ones I saw here.
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/squigg1/019.jpg

Very cool grips :banger Ive been throwing around some ideas on making some for my Les Bear. Either Ebony/Ivory or a Burl of some sort. Though the Punisher grips from Wicked gun grips looks sweet also.

[HK3-]

My new carry piece. jk

c1991 IMI Desert Eagle MK VII in .44 magnum.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/IMIDesertEagle_L.jpg

I have absolutely no logical reason for owning this.

Had two of these years ago in .44 cal. Sold them both because they weren't very practical. Heavy and bulky but fun as he!! to shoot. :D Saw one a couple weeks ago for sale that had a barrel that was twice as long on it. Ever seen those ones?

[gettysburgfreak]

My co worker was walking the US/Canadian border the other day and came across a 1917 luger with holster and magazines. The gun I guess is pretty rusted but he said the trigger is smooth and the slide works. If he gets it back after all the red tape bs Ill try and get a pic of it.

[Tikihut27]

Had two of these years ago in .44 cal. Sold them both because they weren't very practical. Heavy and bulky but fun as he!! to shoot. :D Saw one a couple weeks ago for sale that had a barrel that was twice as long on it. Ever seen those ones?

Sure. Seems to be fairly common for the newer ones (MK XIX) to come with multiple barrels. It's easy to swap them out. You could get barrels up to 14" for the MK VII.

As I say, I have ZERO practical need for this guy. It weighs 4.2 lbs. An M4 carbine weighs 6.3 lbs!

But I like firearms designs- and this is a really neat one. It's like a combination of a .44, an AK-47, and an M16.

[HK3-]

Sure. Seems to be fairly common for the newer ones (MK XIX) to come with multiple barrels. It's easy to swap them out. You could get barrels up to 14" for the MK VII.

As I say, I have ZERO practical need for this guy. It weighs 4.2 lbs. An M4 carbine weighs 6.3 lbs!

But I like firearms designs- and this is a really neat one. It's like a combination of a .44, an AK-47, and an M16.

And don't forget to add sledge hammer. ;)

[replicant_argent]

And don't forget to add sledge hammer. ;)
Especially if you checker the bottom of the magazine like a 22 oz. framing hammer. :D

[druturn]

Alright guys, I need some more advice. I have officially decided to carry a 1911 and now the question comes down to which one. I was stuck on a RIA Tactical 1911 forever until I went in to the gun store yesterday and was shown a Metro Arms 1911 Commander. I loved every part of this gun(including the low price tag :) ). Anyone have any experience with this gun?

[Aero95]

I'm a little late but here are my babies. And this was on my phone so the quality is blah. In the 1st photo is my Ruger 44mag and my Ruger .22
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/aero95/IMAG00551.jpg

The next photo is my Custom Les Bear 1911 and H&K USP 40
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h283/aero95/IMAG00541.jpg

Ill get pictures of my Benelli nova and SX2 shotgun with my various other rifles when my wife gets home from her vacation with the camera.

[Ratters]

My new carry piece. jk

c1991 IMI Desert Eagle MK VII in .44 magnum.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/IMIDesertEagle_L.jpg

I have absolutely no logical reason for owning this.

I had that exact same pistol. Sold it when buying my house, because I could find no logical use for it. Really wish I hadn't. Hold on to that thing.

[druturn]

Also, any clue on if the government shut down occurs that it will delay CHL applications? I am not turning this into anything political, I am just wondering if it occurs if it will delay the process of CHL applications.

[357]

Also, any clue on if the government shut down occurs that it will delay CHL applications? I am not turning this into anything political, I am just wondering if it occurs if it will delay the process of CHL applications.

No it shouldn't. The only federal resource used might be an FBI felony check. Most concealed carry permits use state police records, although it wouldn't surprise me if they did an FBI check as well. As far as I know that stuff is all electronic, so unless they're shutting down servers to save electricity I doubt it will affect the processing time.

[safariguy]

No it shouldn't. The only federal resource used might be an FBI felony check. Most concealed carry permits use state police records, although it wouldn't surprise me if they did an FBI check as well. As far as I know that stuff is all electronic, so unless they're shutting down servers to save electricity I doubt it will affect the processing time.

I respectfully disagree, Mike. Although I admit that this is TOTAL speculation on my part: I bet that they do shut down the NICs check because there are actualy human beings that the firearms dealer talks to and those lines are open 24/7, as far as I know. I can not believe that the Feds would consider that an essential government service and keep them open. My best friend is a pilot who works for US Dept Interior fighting forest fires. He's been given notice of layoff in the event of a shut down. If he's not essential, how can the background check people be????? :2

[357]

I respectfully disagree, Mike. Although I admit that this is TOTAL speculation on my part: I bet that they do shut down the NICs check because there are actualy human beings that the firearms dealer talks to and those lines are open 24/7, as far as I know. I can not believe that the Feds would consider that an essential government service and keep them open. My best friend is a pilot who works for US Dept Interior fighting forest fires. He's been given notice of layoff in the event of a shut down. If he's not essential, how can the background check people be????? :2

Good point. From what I've heard this shutdown is only for certain areas. I've read that about 2/3 of the actual annual budget is automatic, which is supposed to cover most of the bare essentials. I've also heard that the media is sensationalizing a lot of this because "end of the world as we know it" is a better headline story. Who knows the reality of it? No doubt there will be impact in certain areas, just wish we knew exactly which ones.

[BloodSpite]

Good point. From what I've heard this shutdown is only for certain areas. I've read that about 2/3 of the actual annual budget is automatic, which is supposed to cover most of the bare essentials. I've also heard that the media is sensationalizing a lot of this because "end of the world as we know it" is a better headline story. Who knows the reality of it? No doubt there will be impact in certain areas, just wish we knew exactly which ones.

Que REM

[MiamiE]

Anyone have some nice AK builds? I have a few Romy kits around and I am thinking about finally getting them built! Need some ideas.

[Tikihut27]

Anyone have some nice AK builds? I have a few Romy kits around and I am thinking about finally getting them built! Need some ideas.

Since you ask. I've done about ten builds so far.

Here's an Egyptian build I did. Just finished a Romy last week, no pics yet...

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/EgyptianAK-47_Right.jpg
http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/EgyptianAK-47_Left.jpg

NY ban compliant, pre-ban mag, 922r compliant (USA Bbl, Receiver, Brake, FCG).

[safariguy]

Here's my new grips from Esmeralda. I was very pleased that there is a noticeable variance from the other ones I saw here.
http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad115/squigg1/019.jpg

After this past weekend, I can personally verify that this pistol and this lighter both work flawlessly! Thanks, Andrew. :tu

[MurphysLaw]

Anyone have some nice AK builds? I have a few Romy kits around and I am thinking about finally getting them built! Need some ideas.

I've known about these guys for years, they're becoming crazy popular with the new TV show, but they make some really nice AK's

http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/AKrifles/AKrifles.html

[MiamiE]

I can't afford those guys anymore. Now they're big time! :r

[MiamiE]

I'm thinking of picking up a Draco AK. It's the pistol imported by CA.

[Barcode]

I got a VZ-58 build that I need to start it is just like the AK but with a milled receiver.

[357]

Did a little pre-herf range trip this past Saturday. Some pics below.
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=42247&page=6

Not pictured were the tables a few spots down from us. On one was a .50 Barrett. Next to it was some kind of 20mm beast that made the .50MBG look puny. I did not get to hear or see it fired. Although some guys stayed later than I did. Not sure if they got to witness it's power.

[Ender]

After this past weekend, I can personally verify that this pistol and this lighter both work flawlessly! Thanks, Andrew. :tu

Glad to share with ya bro. Thanks for the fun with you're AR15 pistol (or whatever it was). Pretty sweet.:tu

[awsmith4]

I am finally going to break down an buy a handgun. I think up first will be a Glock 30. From there who knows but for my needs I think it will serve me well.

[Tikihut27]

Anyone have some nice AK builds? I have a few Romy kits around and I am thinking about finally getting them built! Need some ideas.

OK, here's the Romy G.

Brake welded/bayo lug ground for NYS ban compliance.
922r parts are gas piston, FCG, brake, receiver (NDS-3).

Duracoated in HK Black, wood left as purchased.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/RomyG_R.jpg
http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/RomyG_L.jpg

[JE3146]

I am finally going to break down an buy a handgun. I think up first will be a Glock 30. From there who knows but for my needs I think it will serve me well.

Good choice :tu

[MiamiE]

I would have to go through some hoops to get the stamp in Florida, but one day I will spend the dough on this beauty. They really killed it with this build. Integrally suppressed AK-47. What a beauty. This is a Red Jacket build. The video and episode is a must see for any AK fanatic!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/MiamiE/e21a0526.jpg

[backwoods357]

Integrally suppressed AK-47. What a beauty. This is a Red Jacket build.
Now that is hot! :tu :tu :tu

[hscmit]

looks great but their prices are are a bit outrageous

[0002S]

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Man%20Cave/COLT2.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Man%20Cave/264388WINMAG.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Man%20Cave/458WINMAG.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Man%20Cave/P381.jpg

[0002S]

A little shop work on the WWI 1911

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/68524200.jpg

[replicant_argent]

Leaning towards a Sig C3 in a month or two, hopefully. Anyone own one? Or any of the GSR series for general commentary on the platform?

[357]

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Man%20Cave/COLT2.jpg


That is one of the best M1911 (not M1911A1) that I have ever seen. Beautiful! :tu

[0002S]

That is one of the best M1911 (not M1911A1) that I have ever seen. Beautiful! :tu

Thank you

[HK3-]

Had the chance to shoot a FNH 5.7x28 pistol over weekend. Wow what a nice shooting gun that was. I see a new pistol being added to the arsenal soon. :D

[Apoco]

My shoulder is slowly but surely healing. Can't wait to break out the H&K P2000 and run some IDPA again!

Plus - I have a GoPro camera now. First person perspective recordings! :banger
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[HK3-]

My shoulder is slowly but surely healing. Can't wait to break out the H&K P2000 and run some IDPA again!

Plus - I have a GoPro camera now. First person perspective recordings! :banger
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I meant to ask how the gimpy arm was healing. ;)

[HK3-]

I've got 500 rounds of 147 gr. .308 shells that I'd like to get rid of... drop me a PM if you're interested. I will ship.

[MiamiE]

The thought of that hurts my shoulder.

[HK3-]

The thought of that hurts my shoulder.

Nah, the .308 isn't bad. It's the .470 Nitro Express that will kill your shoulder and your wallet! :)

[Stevez]

Guys, I am getting very close to pulling the trigger on buying my first 1911 handgun. I have researched and think I am pretty close to identifying what I need. I want a Colt 1911, although I'm a bit unsure still about the exact model. I've read every thread here possible and in magazines, on the 1911 forum, etc. I may have actually read too much as it gets confusing after awhile. Anyway, my first 1911 I want to be a Colt. My question to this group is do you all have any recommendations on how to buy one? Since they seem to be so very hard to find, at least a new in the box full size model, which is what I want. Is ordering from a local gun dealer my only option and then waiting? Any thoughts on the current market and recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Steve

[Remo]

You can always buy one online and have them ship it to a local FFL, the local FFL will charge a small fee for the service but it may save you some money if you can find a good deal online.

[Remo]

The FFL will also do the background check which will add a little more money.

[HK3-]

As far as which one to get.... really depends on what you want it for. Target? Conceal? Who cares? I ask only for the purpose of frame size differences. I recently bought a Colt 1911 Lightweight New Agent Model 90 which is, IMO, great for carry but not great for target shooting. Only having a trench site makes target shooting past a certain yardage not so great.

I've used gunbroker.com for a few firearms and once for something else that I was not satified with in the end.

[357]

Both good advice for you Stevez. Check out http://www.gunsamerica.com too.

[Stevez]

Thanks for the advice guys. I really want it for enough target shooting to get good at it and limited conceal carry. I'm a big guy and not too worried about the size/weight. Thanks for the info on the lightweight models as I hadn't thought of that. I am leaning towards the Gold Cup but haven't done a great deal of searching the internet but it seems when I do everything Colt is out of stock. I was expecting a very hard time finding a reputable on-line dealer that had some decent inventory to choose from. I'll try the website and thanks for the one to stay away from. I've visited them before! Steve

[357]

Thanks for the advice guys. I really want it for enough target shooting to get good at it and limited conceal carry. I'm a big guy and not too worried about the size/weight. Thanks for the info on the lightweight models as I hadn't thought of that. I am leaning towards the Gold Cup but haven't done a great deal of searching the internet but it seems when I do everything Colt is out of stock. I was expecting a very hard time finding a reputable on-line dealer that had some decent inventory to choose from. I'll try the website and thanks for the one to stay away from. I've visited them before! Steve

There are no "online dealers" per se. On GunsAmerica local gun shops post individual pistols/rifles for sale, or new in the box models at a set price. You use their "Find an FFL" tool to find a local dealer, many of which list their cost right on the site. You make arrangements with them to receive the firearm. Next you contact the seller, arrange for payment and give them the info of your FFL. After that all you have to do is pay the seller and pick up your gun from the local FFL once it come in. Local ordinances might require purchase permits and whatnot, but that varies of course.

[HK3-]

I got an awesome deal on a new AR-15 yesterday! :banger

Will take some photos soon.

[MiamiE]

Try and not pay more than $20 for a transfer man. Down here theres some shops doing transfers for $50+, which is ridiculous. Others, like the one I use, do the transfers for $15 + $5 background. Although if I have my CWP shouldnt the background be waived...?

[MiamiE]

Check out www.cdnninvestments.com CHEAPEST prices anywhere. This is mainly who I use. $17 shipping usually.

[Montano]

http://nickmontano.net/pics/gunz.jpg

[Ender]

Finally got my CPL!

[OLS]

If there's no FIRE, does it still count? I have been plinking squirrels out of my upstairs window for 4 years with
a little Crossman pump pellet gun. Killed ONE squirrel, one starling, and scared dozens more with 100's of rounds
expended and thousands of pumps. It was something to do and it kept the pecans ON the tree and the dog food
IN the bowls.

Yesterday got a Beeman 1073 break-barrel pellet gun and in two hours this morning nailed 6 Starlings.
I guess it's all about the accuracy, lol. When I would miss, the dog bowl would go DONGGGG!!! Really loud.
Ironically some of my kills seem to have been riccochets 1/2 inch below the bird right at the bowl rim and
I got the DONNNG and the kill.

[HK3-]

New to me w/less than 200 rounds through it. Think I got a pretty good deal @ $1300 with everything pictured?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/Lvmesum3zs/Picture3138.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/Lvmesum3zs/Picture3137.jpg

[replicant_argent]

1300 including an EOTech? Yeah, I would say that doesn't suck, Hal. Go get some rounds through it, have a blast!

[HK3-]

1300 including an EOTech? Yeah, I would say that doesn't suck, Hal. Go get some rounds through it, have a blast!

;) I figured it was. Looking forward to shooting it.

[gettysburgfreak]

the eotech alone is 550 bucks so yea pretty good deal.

[357]

Finally got my CPL!

Congrats Andrew!


Nice pickup Hal. Gotta see some range pics!

[Average Joe]

Not a bad deal at all. Are the sights Bushmaster or another brand such as KAC?

[HK3-]

Not a bad deal at all. Are the sights Bushmaster or another brand such as KAC?

Looks like it has these added to it-

magpul stock
GG&G rear flip up sight
EoTech sight
3 30 rd clips
1 10 or 15 rd clip
charging handle tactical latch
yankee hill picatinny riser

he also added in 200 rounds of ammo.

Any advantage or disadvantage to changing out to a floating tube with a 3-4 rail system besides being able to add lights, lasers, etc...?

[J0eybb]

Free float will allow you to use the Fwd grip with compromising accuracy.

[JE3146]

Free float will allow you to use the Fwd grip with compromising accuracy.

Accuracy won't be compromised with that barrel.

You'll lose more accuracy having a chrome bbl(negligible) than you will distorting barrel harmonics by torquing the forward grip.

If anything, a quad rail will be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than a handguard mounted rail. And offer more real estate for useless items that will just imbalance your carbine :D

If you do decide to pursue a quad rail, make sure you get a 2 piece one so you won't have to remove the front sight to install it.

[HK3-]

Accuracy won't be compromised with that barrel.

You'll lose more accuracy having a chrome bbl(negligible) than you will distorting barrel harmonics by torquing the forward grip.

If anything, a quad rail will be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than a handguard mounted rail. And offer more real estate for useless items that will just imbalance your carbine :D

If you do decide to pursue a quad rail, make sure you get a 2 piece one so you won't have to remove the front sight to install it.

Thanks. I had wondered about that front sight. Looks like just two pins hold it on to the barrel.

[dogface_313]

New to me w/less than 200 rounds through it. Think I got a pretty good deal @ $1300 with everything pictured?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/Lvmesum3zs/Picture3138.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll115/Lvmesum3zs/Picture3137.jpg

That is a great deal. Be careful keeping batteries in the EOtech at all times, they have a tendency to leak battery acid in EOTechs for some reason.

[J0eybb]

Accuracy won't be compromised with that barrel.

You'll lose more accuracy having a chrome bbl(negligible) than you will distorting barrel harmonics by torquing the forward grip.

If anything, a quad rail will be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye than a handguard mounted rail. And offer more real estate for useless items that will just imbalance your carbine :D

If you do decide to pursue a quad rail, make sure you get a 2 piece one so you won't have to remove the front sight to install it.

I've shot off a bench with a 'V' rest for the front. I was zero'ing my AR. I rested it on my freefloat handguards. Without realizing it my rifle fell and was resting on the barrel and the POI shifted. Making it a long day of zero'ing as opposed to a quick deal.

I shoot in 3 gun competitions, and have to rest my rifle on different items, walls, barrels, midgets, etc. I dont want the poi to shift, so I went free float.

[HK3-]

That is a great deal. Be careful keeping batteries in the EOtech at all times, they have a tendency to leak battery acid in EOTechs for some reason.

Thanks for the tip. :tu I will be changing them out tonight.

[MiamiE]

I am looking into getting my ATF Form 1 filled out. Going to SBR the Draco I just purchased! :D

[MurphysLaw]

I am looking into getting my ATF Form 1 filled out. Going to SBR the Draco I just purchased! :D

Nice! :banger

[gettysburgfreak]

Went to the range today to finally get some quality time in with my Spikes tactical M4 and had some issues. It worked fine when I would shoot a round at a time but as soon as I tried to shoot multiple rounds quick it would feed the first two rounds no problem but then jam up on the third round causing me to have to rack the round. It did this like clock work the entire 60 rounds I put through it today.

Anyone have any idea what the issue could be? I took it out when I first got it and everything was fine then about 3 weeks ago got a new trigger installed on it but I highly doubt that would cause feed issues.

[hscmit]

did you clean and oil after the trigger re-build?

[gettysburgfreak]

did you clean and oil after the trigger re-build?


yes, the gun smith said he oiled it

[hscmit]

are you mags factory or after market?

[gettysburgfreak]

are you mags factory or after market?


pmag 30 round. I use PCM ammo as well.

[gettysburgfreak]

pmag 30 round. I use PCM ammo as well.

Its actually PMC ammo, I was mistaken

[MiamiE]

yes, the gun smith said he oiled it

These are famous last words. Did YOU check it yourself? ;)

[MiamiE]

Those AR's are finicky, at least in my experience. I went to the dark side years ago and haven't regretted it one bit. :D

[gettysburgfreak]

These are famous last words. Did YOU check it yourself? ;)


Yea I did. I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with the gas system? I have never had an issue with my Armalite after almost 600 rounds through it. I heard Spikes was good which is why I bought one but am pretty pissed that its not working right.

[MurphysLaw]

Yea I did. I'm thinking maybe it has something to do with the gas system? I have never had an issue with my Armalite after almost 600 rounds through it. I heard Spikes was good which is why I bought one but am pretty pissed that its not working right.

It could be that simple, try going through it and cleaning everything and oiling yourself. From there, it might be just trying to eliminate some of the variables to figure out the cause.

[J0eybb]

Those AR's are finicky, at least in my experience. I went to the dark side years ago and haven't regretted it one bit. :D

haha, I haven't cleaned my AR in 3 years. I shoot it at least once a month at three gun. Not one hiccup. I may have to clean it now that I am shooting it suppressed.

[Average Joe]

haha, I haven't cleaned my AR in 3 years. I shoot it at least once a month at three gun. Not one hiccup. I may have to clean it now that I am shooting it suppressed.

Same here. Had a ceiner 22LR kit back in the day and shot brick after brick of ammo through it. Never had any problems.

Motor oil is the best lube I have found. Cheapest too.

[bonjing]

Could you describe the jam. You said that you had to rack the round, did the round not feed, failed to eject, double feed?

[gettysburgfreak]

Could you describe the jam. You said that you had to rack the round, did the round not feed, failed to eject, double feed?

failed to feed, as if the bolt isnt going all the way back to allow the round to chamber. The round would be stuck between the mag and the chamber.

[Eleven]

failed to feed, as if the bolt isnt going all the way back to allow the round to chamber. The round would be stuck between the mag and the chamber.

How do the feed ramps look?

[Average Joe]

failed to feed, as if the bolt isnt going all the way back to allow the round to chamber. The round would be stuck between the mag and the chamber.

If the bolt is picking up the next round then it is going back far enough.

Do you have another buffer spring you could try out?

What rounds are you shooting? New in box or reloads? If you're running reloaded military brass then it was most likely ran though a M203 or another MG with a loose chamber. When you full length size the brass it doesn't actually size at the base. The base is fire formed for a much looser chamber, hence it won't chamber in your rifle.

[dogface_313]

My first thought was, it was the mags you are using, but PMAGs are the way to go.
Even if it is dirty, i mean really dirty it should fire as long as you keep it lubed.
Sometimes on new ARs the Bolt fits very tight inside the bolt carried because the gas rings are very new and create a great seal. make sure that your bolt has a thin coat of CLP on it. Also make sure the little holes on the gas rings are not all lined up, this could cause you to short stroke. Don't be afraid to throw a little lube on your buffer spring and buffer.
I would not use Motor Oil as a lubricant because it tends to be a bit thicker then firearms lubricants and retains more "Gunk". CLP is an all in one, it cleans, lubricates, and protects well but does none of those great. I recommend using a cleaning product then a lubricant such as slip 2000.

Was the Bolt Carried Group purchased with the upper receiver or did you purchase them separately?

[mfarre03]

I never even touched one of those Pmags, you guys suck, LOL. Thanks to the Libs here in NY we are only allowed preban fun mags...lol. For all my AR platform answers I like to frequent AR15.com, good group of guys over there.

[bonjing]

You guys can't even get 10 rounders?



I never even touched one of those Pmags, you guys suck, LOL. Thanks to the Libs here in NY we are only allowed preban fun mags...lol. For all my AR platform answers I like to frequent AR15.com, good group of guys over there.

[mfarre03]

You guys can't even get 10 rounders?

Come on man, I said funmags...LOL, of course we can get 10 rounders but how much fun are those??? :sl

[HK3-]

Who puts ONLY an EoTech on a .50 BMG? :sh

[mfarre03]

Who puts ONLY an EoTech on a .50 BMG? :sh

Maybe its his home defense rifle, did you ever think of that? :sl

[HK3-]

Maybe its his home defense rifle, did you ever think of that? :sl

Sometimes I feel like a real idiot... ;):r

Can you imagine firing a BMG inside your home? AWESOME! :r

[Barcode]

Can you imagine firing a BMG inside your home? AWESOME! :r

That makes my ears bleed just thinking about that

[SNKBYT]

finally picked up my "Military Retirement" yesterday (2006 700REM .308 w/scope & bipod)
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/DSCN0657.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/DSCN0658.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/DSCN0659.jpg

[Nathan King]

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae203/NathanAKing/Firearms/IvoryLeft.jpg

http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae203/NathanAKing/Firearms/IvoryRight3.jpg

[MurphysLaw]

Nice rifle Alex, the 700 is on my list to buy once I finish school..

[HK3-]

Nice rifle and nice colt!

[elderboy02]

Nice Alex! I badly want a Rem 700 in a .308. It just sucks as there are no ranges here in Cincinnati that are over 25 yards :(

[BRN169]

My first pistol is the Sig 229 (.40S&W) in the center. Purchased in 1995. I guess I got a little carried away after that... :rolleyes:

http://mysite.verizon.net/BRN169/PICT0102-800x600.jpg

[MurphysLaw]

My first pistol is the Sig 229 (.40S&W) in the center. Purchased in 1995. I guess I got a little carried away after that... :rolleyes:


Carried away? Looks more like a nice start to me! :tu

[BRN169]

Carried away? Looks more like a nice start to me! :tu

In NJ they consider your collection an "Arsenal" if you have more than two guns and 50 rounds of ammunition... BB guns included... ;)

NJ has a ridiculous pistol permit system that is just not worth dealing with, my long gun collection is where I kinda got carried away...

[mfarre03]

My first pistol is the Sig 229 (.40S&W) in the center. Purchased in 1995. I guess I got a little carried away after that... :rolleyes:

http://mysite.verizon.net/BRN169/PICT0102-800x600.jpg

Need it, need it, got it, need it, got it, got it, need it.....LOL

[BRN169]

Need it, need it, got it, need it, got it, got it, need it.....LOL

Don't do that to me while I'm drinking... Now I need a new keyboard, again... ;)

[MiamiE]

Just got the Draco. Time to get to work on a folder!

[0002S]

finally picked up my "Military Retirement" yesterday (2006 700REM .308 w/scope & bipod)
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/DSCN0657.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/DSCN0658.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/DSCN0659.jpg

Ok, now your talking

I'll work up a load for you off some I have for that same rifle. We'll toy with the loads and then I'll make 20 or so.

[Altra]

Smith MP 40. All texturing done by me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/altramagnus/S1050946.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/altramagnus/S1050948.jpg

Savage 10FCP .308. McMillan A5 stock. Detached 10rnd box mag.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/altramagnus/S1050766.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/altramagnus/S1050769.jpg

Mag of course is painted now. Pics were taken the day I received it. I have stretched her legs out to 1000yrds and she pretty accurate.

I will post up pics of my M4gery later, got some running to do then i will snap some pics.

Shawn

[replicant_argent]

Is anyone else very tempted to jump on one of these?
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/images/6700.jpg
I was looking for a CCO style, but.... Damn.
100% American made, stainless, many parts you would usually replace on a GI or standard on a higher priced unit (skelly trigger, Novak style sights, BTGS, commander hammer, titanium firing pin, ext mag release, flared & ext ejection port). It has a lot going on. Ruger may have finally jumped in the 1911 x-ring with a mid-level winner. While the MSRP is only 799.... yeah, that's right, 799! I imagine they will get more than that for a while, but when the dust settles, the street on these should be a little over 6.... and that is a LOT of pistol for 6+.

[mfarre03]

Is anyone else very tempted to jump on one of these?
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/images/6700.jpg
I was looking for a CCO style, but.... Damn.
100% American made, stainless, many parts you would usually replace on a GI or standard on a higher priced unit (skelly trigger, Novak style sights, BTGS, commander hammer, titanium firing pin, ext mag release, flared & ext ejection port). It has a lot going on. Ruger may have finally jumped in the 1911 x-ring with a mid-level winner. While the MSRP is only 799.... yeah, that's right, 799! I imagine they will get more than that for a while, but when the dust settles, the street on these should be a little over 6.... and that is a LOT of pistol for 6+.

Seems like a good price, havn't read about any reviews. Reminds me of a Springfield.

[357]

Is anyone else very tempted to jump on one of these?
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/images/6700.jpg
I was looking for a CCO style, but.... Damn.
100% American made, stainless, many parts you would usually replace on a GI or standard on a higher priced unit (skelly trigger, Novak style sights, BTGS, commander hammer, titanium firing pin, ext mag release, flared & ext ejection port). It has a lot going on. Ruger may have finally jumped in the 1911 x-ring with a mid-level winner. While the MSRP is only 799.... yeah, that's right, 799! I imagine they will get more than that for a while, but when the dust settles, the street on these should be a little over 6.... and that is a LOT of pistol for 6+.

Sounds like a good deal. I would love to shoot one and try it out.

[safariguy]

Is anyone else very tempted to jump on one of these?
I was looking for a CCO style, but.... Damn.
100% American made, stainless, many parts you would usually replace on a GI or standard on a higher priced unit (skelly trigger, Novak style sights, BTGS, commander hammer, titanium firing pin, ext mag release, flared & ext ejection port). It has a lot going on. Ruger may have finally jumped in the 1911 x-ring with a mid-level winner. While the MSRP is only 799.... yeah, that's right, 799! I imagine they will get more than that for a while, but when the dust settles, the street on these should be a little over 6.... and that is a LOT of pistol for 6+.

RUGER: Rotten, Ugly, Godaweful. Egad, Replicantargent!!

(I don't really have anything bad to say about Ruger I just wanted to make fun of Pete.) ;s

[J0eybb]

RUGER: Rotten, Ugly, Godaweful. Egad, Replicantargent!!

(I don't really have anything bad to say about Ruger I just wanted to make fun of Pete.) ;s

HAHHAHAHAHAA :sl

[replicant_argent]

RUGER: Rotten, Ugly, Godaweful. Egad, Replicantargent!!

(I don't really have anything bad to say about Ruger I just wanted to make fun of Pete.) ;s

Well, according to some :rolleyes: it probably wouldn't work
and Rugers quality control sucks...
(I would bet he would say that about an unreleased pistol, even ;) )


:r

[WyGuy]

Anyone have any experience with the Sig C3? The more I look at it, the more I want one!

[mfarre03]

I like Ruger's wheel guns, Blackhawks etc. My buddy had a SP101, very nice pistol. You are right about quality, they look better then they fire!

[replicant_argent]

Anyone have any experience with the Sig C3? The more I look at it, the more I want one!

That is the other 1911 I am looking at. I asked the same question. I like you.
And Cake....



Well, and ribeye, beer, cigars, my wife.. and a few other things, not necessarily in that order.

[BRN169]

RUGER: Rotten, Ugly, Godaweful. Egad, Replicantargent!!

(I don't really have anything bad to say about Ruger I just wanted to make fun of Pete.) ;s

:tpd:
IMHO besides their over/under shotguns, Ruger has only made 4 useful weapons, the Mini-14/Mini-30, 10-22, MK-II and the PC-9/PC-40. Their guns (engineered by Ruger) tend to be easy to disassemble yet require an engineering doctorate to reassemble...

[Ratters]

Ha, spoken like a true MK-II owner. I have a couple Ruger revolvers. They are very stoutly built but triggers aren't as good as S&W. Don't care for ruger pistols though I have one. The Ruger M77s are nice pieces, especially with the new triggers. I sold my Mini-30, I already have two AKs and they are bout the same in the accuracy department, and I'll take an AR over a Mini 14 any day of the week. I think everyone has and should have a 10/22 though. My problem with Ruger is they used to be a fine gun for the money, then over the last few years they've raised their prices 2-300 a gun. I don't ever see buying another.

[Ratters]

My first pistol is the Sig 229 (.40S&W) in the center. Purchased in 1995. I guess I got a little carried away after that... :rolleyes:

http://mysite.verizon.net/BRN169/PICT0102-800x600.jpg

Nice start. :tu Needs more 1911. :noon

[backwoods357]

Nice start. :tu Needs more 1911. :noon

and revolvers!

[Tikihut27]

Pete, your pistol is ready to pick up...

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/6700.jpg

[MiamiE]

Finally got around to some pics. These are the new toys. SAR-1 and Draco pistol. Both Romanian variants of the AKM.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/MiamiE/fa9444e5.jpg

[hscmit]

did anyone ever post any ak kits?

[replicant_argent]

Pete, your pistol is ready to pick up...

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/6700.jpg

Where is it, and have they cashed my check yet?

[MiamiE]

did anyone ever post any ak kits?

Kits as in parts kits? I have a couple in the shed. I buy them whenever I find them cheap. Theres always someone who can build them for you if you cant at the moment. Also buy them and store them, you never know when these kits will dry up. :tu

[hscmit]

Kits as in parts kits? I have a couple in the shed. I buy them whenever I find them cheap. Theres always someone who can build them for you if you cant at the moment. Also buy them and store them, you never know when these kits will dry up. :tu

yes sir, parts kits

[elderboy02]

Went to the gun show today and came home with this:

Smith & Wesson Bodyguard 38spl +p. I have a S&W 442, but I wanted a J-frame with a laser on it. I will be selling the 442 soon once I make sure there are no hiccups with the BG38, and once the pocket holster gets broken in.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/SW%20Bodyguard%2038/IMG_0921.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/SW%20Bodyguard%2038/IMG_0922.jpg

[HK3-]

That's a nice wheel gun! :tu

[oleey]

thanks you

[mfarre03]

Nice looking Smith and with the laser, very cool. Is it very noticeable in your pocket? We aren't suppose to carry at work but that may just do the trick.

[elderboy02]

Nice looking Smith and with the laser, very cool. Is it very noticeable in your pocket? We aren't suppose to carry at work but that may just do the trick.

I haven't carried this gun yet, but I had the 442 which is the same size. It isn't noticeable at all. Get a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster and it looks like a wallet or cell phone in your pocket :tu

[emopunker2004]

I haven't carried this gun yet, but I had the 442 which is the same size. It isn't noticeable at all. Get a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster and it looks like a wallet or cell phone in your pocket :tu

Yup. What he said

[mfarre03]

Nice, that looks sweet, just what I need. Now you just have to lose that DANGER sticker, lol.. :banger

[Ratters]

Come on, without the sticker he wouldn't know guns were dangerous.

Nice piece Dan :tu

[mfarre03]

Oh...duh, the lazzzzer is the dangerous part, see I just didn't think.

[Ranger_B]

Dan when I need to carry a smaller pistol that is my carry. I have had my BG38 for about a year now. My first wheel gun and I love it. Took a while to get used to turning on the laser on my draw stroke. It points well though naturally.

[elderboy02]

Dan when I need to carry a smaller pistol that is my carry. I have had my BG38 for about a year now. My first wheel gun and I love it. Took a while to get used to turning on the laser on my draw stroke. It points well though naturally.

Awesome. That is good to know. Thanks! :tu

I need to buy some snap caps and practice drawing while turning the laser on. I don't like practicing with the cylinder empty because you just don't get the same weight feel.

[backwoods357]

As far as lasers on J frames go, I really prefer the crimson trace grips. Your finger naturally falls on the pressure pad for the lazer.

[MiamiE]

Added a quad rail to the SAR and had a Romy G kit put together...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/MiamiE/c4b0be4f.jpg

[WyGuy]

Just ordered a Springfield Range Officer, my first 1911! Should be here by the end of next week, i'll be sure to post some pics once I have it in hand.

[MTB996]

Just ordered a Springfield Range Officer, my first 1911! Should be here by the end of next week, i'll be sure to post some pics once I have it in hand.

I'm sure you'll love it. I have a stainless loaded and it is fantastic (although after I had to send it back for a trigger job and other stuff done for free - great customer service). Please make sure you give a good report once its in and you have a few rounds down range.

[MTB996]

I like Ruger's wheel guns, Blackhawks etc. My buddy had a SP101, very nice pistol. You are right about quality, they look better then they fire!

I love my GP100 357. It's my bedroom closet gun. Doesn't have the trigger of a S&W, but its acceptable for me and its built like a tank.

[bonjing]

She finally followed me home after sitting in the backroom of the shop for almost 2 years :sh

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/bonjing_album/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_0850.jpg

Yes the streamlight says demo on it, i got for a supedooper deal.

[HK3-]

Good looking 17 you got there! ^^^

Decision, decisions..... Need some opinions.... Picking up a Colt Python .357 Mag for an incredible price. Why are these so expensive????? Do I keep it or trade it in on a rifle? I have a nice assortment of wheel guns so adding another is a toss up. Looking at getting a Weatherby 22-250 or .300 Mag, either one in a non-synthetic stock. Really would like a .338 Lapua but I'm not trying to drop that kinda coin right now.

[357]

Good looking 17 you got there! ^^^

Decision, decisions..... Need some opinions.... Picking up a Colt Python .357 Mag for an incredible price. Why are these so expensive????? Do I keep it or trade it in on a rifle? I have a nice assortment of wheel guns so adding another is a toss up. Looking at getting a Weatherby 22-250 or .300 Mag, either one in a non-synthetic stock. Really would like a .338 Lapua but I'm not trying to drop that kinda coin right now.

I've always wanted a .22-250. Something about lead moving at 4600 fps is SOOOO cool. :D

[HK3-]

I've always wanted a .22-250. Something about lead moving at 4600 fps is SOOOO cool. :D

NO doubt! Still have fond memories of shooting dead catfish that were nailed to a tree with a .375 H&H. Talk about a fuggin mess that was. :D

[357]

NO doubt! Still have fond memories of shooting dead catfish that were nailed to a tree with a .375 H&H. Talk about a fuggin mess that was. :D

:pu

[WyGuy]

Picked up my Range Officer during my lunch break, I'll get some pictures up when I get home. This thing is sweet though, can't wait to go shoot it!

[WyGuy]

Here are some pics. A little before and after with some new grips.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/mike2212/RO.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/mike2212/RO1.jpg