First Firearm Thread.

[emopunker2004]

Here. http://www.freedommunitions.com/9mm-115-gr-RN-New-p/fm9r115n-c1000.htm
$243/1000

[WyGuy]

hmm... I must be missing something here.

I picked up a Sightmark red dot scope after reading good reviews around the web, my FIRST red dot sight.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003QNTS88/ref=oh_details_o01_s01_i03

Build quality seems good enough, good field of view, mostly visible red dot (bright sunlight and snow like I have here gave it a bit of trouble, but you can still make out the dot, which is all one can expect for under $100.

But here's the problem - correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be, the theory of a red dot is that, similar to a reflex sight, the dot moves around in the window relative to your head position, so it doesn't matter what angle you look through it, the dot is on target, right?

So I set it down on the table, aimed it at the wall 10ft away, and peered through. Eureka, a dot! and I moved my head to the side, Eureka, the dot moved with my head! But wait... the point of aim also moved with my head! Significantly! At only 10ft away, moving my head to the side could adjust the point of aim by approx. 4 inches in either direction!

This effect is generally minimized with a scope which has minimal eye relief, you can't actually see through it unless you're lined up pretty close to center. But with a wide red dot tube like that one, if the point of aim shifts, then how are you supposed to line your head up precisely down the middle to get an accurate shot if it has such a wide viewing angle?

Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

[CigarSquid]

Thanks Justin. I may just 'pull the trigger' on that one.

[Robulous78]

Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

the wiki quik explanation

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Parallax_Example.svg/500px-Parallax_Example.svg.png

[emopunker2004]

Thanks Justin. I may just 'pull the trigger' on that one.

Do it. Significantly cheaper and since its range ammo it should serve ur purpose

[emopunker2004]

Well Trust completed. Just gotta finish up my ATF form 1 and wait til payday

[Robulous78]

Well Trust completed. Just gotta finish up my ATF form 1 and wait tile payday

What are you getting Justin?

[emopunker2004]

What are you getting Justin?

Gonna put a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel on my ar15

[Robulous78]

Gonna put a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel on my ar15

Oh? that requires licensing? I had heard you talk about it but I didn't know...

[emopunker2004]

Yeh any rifle with a barrel less than 16" or shotgun with barrel under 18" is a sbr or sbs and I have to fill out forms and mail money to the ATF for a "tax stamp"

[Robulous78]

Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have atleast the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

[spectrrr]

Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have at least the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

Well, that goes back to the history of the NFA, which was conveniently passed right at the end of prohibition, when all those agents were about to find themselves without a job. Never heard of a government agency ever getting SMALLER now have you? They had to come up with something for guys to do once all the horrible liquor was legal again.

So why the individual items?

Silencer - This was also during the great depression, people needed food, and they had a problem with poachers selling illegal meat.

Machine Guns - They needed extra charges to hold chicago gangsters on, and they were carrying tommy guns.

SBRs - not sure on this one, might be more of the machine gun logic.

So why $200? well, $200 seems like nothing to pay today, that's about the price of a new smartphone! But just imagine trying to pony up $200 back in 1934!

[spectrrr]

Parallax. It will be much more noticeable on targets that are a short distance away. 50 yards seems to be the magic number as far as being parallax "free."

ah hah :tu

[emopunker2004]

Oh? you can't just break out the hack-saw like the rest of us? :lr

Maybe this is a dumb question... but in a world where a few mods can turn many rifles into 900rpm bump fire lead-storms, and most pistols have atleast the option for a high capacity magazine, what difference does it make how short a barrel is?

Dunno but I don't wanna have a felony charge :r

[Blueface]

Dunno but I don't wanna have a felony charge :r

Justin,
I follow the form and the fee but it also requires a living trust to designate who would get it in the event of your death?

[emopunker2004]

Justin,
I follow the form and the fee but it also requires a living trust to designate who would get it in the event of your death?

There are two routes you can take.

1. Have a revocable living trust that the NFA item will belong to. Also with the trust, only persons designated as Trustee can handle the NFA item. With the regular route like route 2, only the person who sent in the Form1/4 can handle it.
or
2. Get fingerprinted and then have the Sheriff or Police Chief sign off on your Form 1.


I'm going route 1 to avoid the hassle of route 2. The signature is really only supposed to be the CLEO saying that they know no reason why you would use the NFA item for illegal purposes. But most use it as a way to just be a dick and depending on the CLEO they may deny or approve however they like. You can also have a judge sign instead but unfortunately the only really gun friendly judge we had got voted out of office this time.

Some people pay big $ and set up a trust through a lawyer who knows NFA very well. Most use quicken willmaker plus 2009 to do it cuz it's cheap/free. Just make sure you get the 2009 or older edition as the 2010 and newer don't do trusts.

[CigarSquid]

Just purchased a 5.11 casual tactical belt for carry. A wipe down rag and got some 9mm ammo coming.

[emopunker2004]

Just purchased a 5.11 casual tactical belt for carry. A wipe down rag and got some 9mm ammo coming.

Get the ammo from the place i linked?

I use a 5.11 Double Duty belt for my EDC belt. :tu

[CigarSquid]

Yep, thanks. 23 cents a shot. Bought the belt from Midway USA

[emopunker2004]

The belt leather?
Mine's 1.25" Dual Layer Nylon with 3 or 5 rows or reinforcement stitching

[CigarSquid]

Yep. Looked the best to be for what I wear in winter/summer.

[emopunker2004]

I usually wear jeans an a t-shirt and flip-flops year-round so :r

[CigarSquid]

Kinda the same here. I had nylon one from a local store. Just didn't like it.

[emopunker2004]

Going to pick up my CW45 this afternoon from my FFL. :D

Now I just need my holster to come in and to pick up some ammo to run thru her to break her in.

[Blueface]

The belt leather?
Mine's 1.25" Dual Layer Nylon with 3 or 5 rows or reinforcement stitching

Man am I still learning.
Help me out. Why this belt?

[emopunker2004]

Man am I still learning.
Help me out. Why this belt?

I chose it because it's semi rigid, and it wasn't too $$

I prefer nylon to leather. This one doesnt give under the weight of a holster/gun. A sturdy belt also helps reduce the felt weight of the gun. If the belt is giving under the weight of the gun it doesn't distribute the weight as well and the gun FEELS heavier.


Just double checked, my belt is 1.5" not 1.25"
Here's the one i got http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Accessories/Belts/Double-Duty-TDU-Belt-1-5.html

[Blueface]

I chose it because it's semi rigid, and it wasn't too $$

I prefer nylon to leather. This one doesnt give under the weight of a holster/gun. A sturdy belt also helps reduce the felt weight of the gun. If the belt is giving under the weight of the gun it doesn't distribute the weight as well and the gun FEELS heavier.


Just double checked, my belt is 1.5" not 1.25"
Here's the one i got http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/Accessories/Belts/Double-Duty-TDU-Belt-1-5.html

Even if carrying IWB?

[emopunker2004]

Even if carrying IWB?

Yep. Holster still has to pull down on something. If you have sturdy belt already you can use that. The only belt I really wore before this one was a 1" woven leather belt that was flimsy as they come.

[dijit]

Just bribe him with a few boolits

I sell her about 1500 rounds a month of .40 FMJ. She loves the powder I use says it really cuts down on the clean time every week.

[emopunker2004]

Ah ok lol. Make me some 223 or 45 :r

[bonjing]

I use this belt,


http://www.bullhidebelts.com/BullBelts_ep_41-1.html


Ive picked up a few at the gunshow's a lot cheaper than they show online. They are nice and rigid and thick. The only down side to them is that the thickness can vary from thick to to thick for some holsters depending on the belt system that your using.

[dijit]

Ah ok lol. Make me some 223 or 45 :r

let me see if I have 223 dies. How many .45 you want?

[Blueface]

Looks like folks are paying as much as $100 for Armalite AR 10 mags.
I called Armalite around two weeks ago, ordered four 2/20 and 2/25 as limit of two, and just learned they shipped yesterday, at $35 v the $100.
Folks freak out, lose patience and common sense, hence lunacy of pricing.

[emopunker2004]

Looks like folks are paying as much as $100 for Armalite AR 10 mags.
I called Armalite around two weeks ago, ordered four 2/20 and 2/25 as limit of two, and just learned they shipped yesterday, at $35 v the $100.
Folks freak out, lose patience and common sense, hence lunacy of pricing.

People are trying to get them before a ban comes out. It wont do them any good if they're still on order when a ban comes around.

[forgop]

People are trying to get them before a ban comes out. It wont do them any good if they're still on order when a ban comes around.

Yep

I saw a vendor taking orders for stripped lower receivers. They guesestimated 3 months to pass said ban and then a 90 day notice would be issued that would then halt production. My guess is anything ordered that could not be produced within that 90 days could not be filled, regardless of whether the order was placed before the ban went into effect.

[spectrrr]

depends also on the flavor of the ban. Some bans terms state that the sale/transfer after the ban date is illegal. So if I have a pre-ban 30rd mag, I can't sell it to you. At least not on an open forum :tg

[spectrrr]

There are two routes you can take.

1. Have a revocable living trust that the NFA item will belong to. Also with the trust, only persons designated as Trustee can handle the NFA item. With the regular route like route 2, only the person who sent in the Form1/4 can handle it.
or
2. Get fingerprinted and then have the Sheriff or Police Chief sign off on your Form 1.


I'm going route 1 to avoid the hassle of route 2. The signature is really only supposed to be the CLEO saying that they know no reason why you would use the NFA item for illegal purposes. But most use it as a way to just be a dick and depending on the CLEO they may deny or approve however they like. You can also have a judge sign instead but unfortunately the only really gun friendly judge we had got voted out of office this time.

Some people pay big $ and set up a trust through a lawyer who knows NFA very well. Most use quicken willmaker plus 2009 to do it cuz it's cheap/free. Just make sure you get the 2009 or older edition as the 2010 and newer don't do trusts.

It's important that you check into your state laws however. That used to work here in Ohio, but recently the laws changed so that it all but requires a lawyer if you want to get the nuance right without risking jail time...

[Steve]

It's important that you check into your state laws however. That used to work here in Ohio, but recently the laws changed so that it all but requires a lawyer if you want to get the nuance right without risking jail time...

Justin spends enough time in jail already...:hy

[emopunker2004]

Justin spends enough time in jail already...:hy

:lr

Francis it's legit this way here

[spectrrr]

Some GOOD news regarding the future prices of firearms. :)
No politics here, I'm being good :r , just a news report about what's happening in Washington that will affect our gun prices. :)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/chances-of-gun-control-dim-in-washington

[emopunker2004]

Got my cw45. Pix later

[Remo]

Some GOOD news regarding the future prices of firearms. :)
No politics here, I'm being good :r , just a news report about what's happening in Washington that will affect our gun prices. :)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/chances-of-gun-control-dim-in-washington

Ya, I am just riding out the storm....no crazy buying for me -(P

[Remo]

Got my cw45. Pix later

Nice...hurry up :sl

[spectrrr]

Ya, I am just riding out the storm....no crazy buying for me -(P

I wish I had time to ride the storm :(
It will still still be MONTHS before the supply chain starts catching up.

I'm pretty much squared away. Still need to find more G17 mags.... and some more PTR91 mags... thats about it.

[big pete]

I'm intrigued about having a 9mm carbine (Thureon Defense or a AR based). Anyone have one?

[spectrrr]

I would love to get a keltec sub 2000 and use it as a discrete trunk gun, plus something that can be folded and hidden if one has to abandon the car...

[emopunker2004]

I would love to get a keltec sub 2000 and use it as a discrete trunk gun, plus something that can be folded and hidden if one has to abandon the car...

This.

[Steve]

http://www.gunsandammoenthusiastblog.com/gunposters/Seriously%20Get%20Off%20My%20Lawn.jpg

[emopunker2004]

http://www.gunsandammoenthusiastblog.com/gunposters/Seriously%20Get%20Off%20My%20Lawn.jpg

Not very mobile

[Steve]

Not very mobile

Doesn't really need to be...:D

[bonjing]

I'm intrigued about having a 9mm carbine (Thureon Defense or a AR based). Anyone have one?

I've got a RockRiver arms one that you could try out sometime. I love it fun and cheap to shoot, plus it makes a cool "crack" sound when fired. I'm looking to get a Glock based one as soon as I can Sub2K but preferably a double diamond or lone wolf.

[emopunker2004]

My ffl told me he sold a couple of his personal ar stripped lowers for $500 each.

[spectrrr]

Not very mobile

Lawn isn't very mobile either ;)

[big pete]

I've got a RockRiver arms one that you could try out sometime. I love it fun and cheap to shoot, plus it makes a cool "crack" sound when fired. I'm looking to get a Glock based one as soon as I can Sub2K but preferably a double diamond or lone wolf.

I like the LW but it's pricey. Wouldn't building a AR based one (assuming one can get a AR lower) with a CMMG upper be better since it gives the option to switch to a .22 or .223 upper later?

[sikk50]

My ffl told me he sold a couple of his personal ar stripped lowers for $500 each.

Talk about a profit. I'm going out today or tomorrow to buy one....at much much lower price :r

[emopunker2004]

Talk about a profit. I'm going out today or tomorrow to buy one....at much much lower price :r

Good luck finding one :r

[Robulous78]

Ok so I have a question that is possibly unanswerable with the information I have, perhaps you fella's can help me...

My Dad recently got a steal on a Colt AR-15, its an early model, triangular handguard and all, the guy told my Pop's its a .223... Does this mean its also good for 5.56 NATO?

More or less just curious, Don't really have much more info to give you guys on it but perhaps you can tell me what to look for to see if it does?

Thanks Guys...

[big pete]

Talk about a profit. I'm going out today or tomorrow to buy one....at much much lower price :r

Grab me on too!

[Remo]

Ok so I have a question that is possibly unanswerable with the information I have, perhaps you fella's can help me...

My Dad recently got a steal on a Colt AR-15, its an early model, triangular handguard and all, the guy told my Pop's its a .223... Does this mean its also good for 5.56 NATO?

More or less just curious, Don't really have much more info to give you guys on it but perhaps you can tell me what to look for to see if it does?

Thanks Guys...

Yes, .223 is 5.56 NATO

[Robulous78]

I thought that there was a powder difference between the rounds? So if it takes one then it can also handle the other? was just wondering because I know you don't shoot .357 in a .38 ...

[Robulous78]

Obviously I know that .357 .38 aren't rifle calibers, I just use that as an example because I know that a pistol billed as a .357 can fire .38 but not the other way around...

[MurphysLaw]

There IS a difference between .223rem and 5.56 NATO, a quick google search will give you a plethora of articles explaining the difference. From my understanding 5.56 NATO does produce higher pressures in the chamber than .223rem. That being said, most AR varients will run both .223Rem and 5.56 with no issues. I've ran 1000s of rounds of each through my RRA AR-15 and never had a problem.

[jluck]

Obviously I know that .357 .38 aren't rifle calibers, I just use that as an example because I know that a pistol billed as a .357 can fire .38 but not the other way around...

.38 and .357 are dimensionally different cartridges (rounds).A 357 is too long to fit in a .38 revolvers cylinder .223 and 5.56 NATO are dimensionally the same round that's the difference.

[Robulous78]

There IS a difference between .223rem and 5.56 NATO, a quick google search will give you a plethora of articles explaining the difference. From my understanding 5.56 NATO does produce higher pressures in the chamber than .223rem. That being said, most AR varients will run both .223Rem and 5.56 with no issues. I've ran 1000s of rounds of each through my RRA AR-15 and never had a problem.

Thats pretty much what I am wondering due to the fact it is such an old model... This thing is probably early 80's at its youngest... Also, as with any rifle, I wonder about seals and gaskets and what-not... I know the springs have been replaced recently, not too sure about anything else...

[emopunker2004]

What's the barrel marked? U can shoot .223 and 5.56 in a 5.56 barrel. Do Not shoot 5.56 in a .223 barrel!!!!!

[Remo]

http://www.gunsandammoenthusiastblog.com/gunposters/Seriously%20Get%20Off%20My%20Lawn.jpg

http://youtu.be/juUJdzFFORs

This one is mobile!!

[Robulous78]

What's the barrel marked? U can shoot .223 and 5.56 in a 5.56 barrel. Do Not shoot 5.56 in a .223 barrel!!!!!

So there is a marking on the barrel that should tell me this? Thanks Justin this is the answer I am looking for... Where is this marking typically located?

[Robulous78]

If the barrel doesn't say 5.56 is it just a simple matter of changing out the barrel to make it into a 5.56 or is there more to it then that?

[jluck]

What's the barrel marked? U can shoot .223 and 5.56 in a 5.56 barrel. Do Not shoot 5.56 in a .223 barrel!!!!!

Can you elaborate on this?

[emopunker2004]

So there is a marking on the barrel that should tell me this? Thanks Justin this is the answer I am looking for... Where is this marking typically located?

Typically it's marked between the front sight and flash hider in that area but could be on the underside. If not, remove the handguards and look at the rest of the barrel. Something like
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/jerrellwise/Gun%20Pics/barrel.jpg

[emopunker2004]

Can you elaborate on this?

5.56 barrel/chamber has more of a leade vs 223. It's has something to do with the pressures.
http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html

[emopunker2004]

Rob, granted most ammo u will find will be .223 anyway

[Robulous78]

Typically it's marked between the front sight and flash hider in that area but could be on the underside. If not, remove the handguards and look at the rest of the barrel. Something like
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y95/jerrellwise/Gun%20Pics/barrel.jpg

Thanks... :tu I'll have my Pop's take a look and see what he got... He bought it from a friend for 400.00 either way its a decent deal I'd say...

Next question... My dad has it in his head that it is worth more because it is the original civilian version made by Colt... is this true? Does it need to be kept as is or is there no harm in modifying it? He seems to think this Triangular handguard is something special... other then making it look older I don't see anything special about it...

[emopunker2004]

I would say its possibly worth more depending. Best bet would be to ask over on ar15.com and post good pictures of the rifle and the markings on the lower receiver. Or send me the pix and ill ask

[Robulous78]

I would say its possibly worth more depending. Best bet would be to ask over on ar15.com and post good pictures of the rifle and the markings on the lower receiver. Or send me the pix and ill ask

I'll definitely take you up on this... It might be a month or 2 before I see him again and can take pictures but I'll definitely send em your way.... I just wanna know if it was a decent deal for my Pop's and if this rifle is better left as a dinosaur or if I should mod it out...

Thanks Justin... :tu

[spectrrr]

sounds like a good deal to me.

The caliber will also be located on the bottom half of the rifle on the side of the magazine well, IF the rifle is 100% original parts from the factory. If someone changed out the barrel at a later date, then the markings on the side oft he mag well don't mean anything.

Now, depending on how far back that AR dates, it is worth considerably more than $400, even before all this craziness started. Honestly, you need to ask the guys at ar15.com, but I'll take a stab at what I remember.

The original Colt AR lower had a design "flaw" that made it super easy to convert to full auto. These are commonly referred to as "preban" AR's. Bearing in mind that I don't know jack, there is a decent chance that the AR your dad picked up is one of those. If so, then you would have the most value in selling it as is to a collector and buying yourself a tricked out new AR :)

BTW, ALL of the preban lowers I'm looking at right now in the gunbroker.com history all are marked .223 caliber, so I'd stay away from 5.56 ammo for now.
ALL of the preban AR's I'm looking at also have a round handguard, even the one dated all the way back to 1977, so like I said, you're really going to have to post pictures for the ar15.com guys that know their stuff in order to correctly ID it. But I definitely wouldn't do anything to it until then.

[Robulous78]

sounds like a good deal to me.

The caliber will also be located on the bottom half of the rifle on the side of the magazine well, IF the rifle is 100% original parts from the factory. If someone changed out the barrel at a later date, then the markings on the side oft he mag well don't mean anything.

Now, depending on how far back that AR dates, it is worth considerably more than $400, even before all this craziness started. Honestly, you need to ask the guys at ar15.com, but I'll take a stab at what I remember.

The original Colt AR lower had a design "flaw" that made it super easy to convert to full auto. These are commonly referred to as "preban" AR's. Bearing in mind that I don't know jack, there is a decent chance that the AR your dad picked up is one of those. If so, then you would have the most value in selling it as is to a collector and buying yourself a tricked out new AR :)

BTW, ALL of the preban lowers I'm looking at right now in the gunbroker.com history all are marked .223 caliber, so I'd stay away from 5.56 ammo for now.
ALL of the preban AR's I'm looking at also have a round handguard, even the one dated all the way back to 1977, so like I said, you're really going to have to post pictures for the ar15.com guys that know their stuff in order to correctly ID it. But I definitely wouldn't do anything to it until then.

Definitely won't, all we have done to it so far is give it a good field-strip cleaning and put a few .223 rounds through it... I will get all sort of pictures of it when I go visit next time... It was a PD- swat weapon from early 80's if the story is correct... he let it go for so cheap because he was hurting for money... This was a few months ago but my Dad just showed it to me recently... I bet he is kicking himself in the ass right now... :lr

Another reason I ask is because I am left handed and I want a Left-handed AR... from what I understand this one is either not convertible or is to valuable as-is to convert for my left-handedness... All I know is that it feels like a toy shooting .223 through it... I am pretty sure a 9mm has more kick...:lr

[bonjing]

I like the LW but it's pricey. Wouldn't building a AR based one (assuming one can get a AR lower) with a CMMG upper be better since it gives the option to switch to a .22 or .223 upper later?

It does give you the option of using different uppers by not choosing a dedicated lower receiver.

My RRA 9mm uses a magblock, made by rock river, that uses colt style magazines. I can remove the magblock and go back to .223 or even 22 and whatever in between. The only reason that I would like a dedicated lower for Glocks, is I have a crap ton of Glock mags and when going to the range I can shoot both the Glock and the carbine without having to carry extra mags. Plus I believe they may be offering .40 and 357sig too.

If you want to try an AR-22, I can let you try one of those out as well :tu

[big pete]

Thanks the input and offer Greg. I was planning to get a .22 AR until I found out about the pistol caliber rifles. Either way, it'll be hard to find any 9mm and larger carbines with the frenzy going on now.

[Steve]

http://youtu.be/juUJdzFFORs

This one is mobile!!

Even more mobile...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_lnq0HYBQE

Dare I say the ultimate in home defense?

[emopunker2004]

Ok guys here's the pictures of the Kahr CW45. I have medium hands for reference in the 2nd picture.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8363542404_b04a218da4_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8363542404/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8363542404/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8094/8362481993_42e07492cb_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8362481993/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8362481993/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[MurphysLaw]

Great looking pistol Justin :tu

[emopunker2004]

Thanks Brian. It's a little smaller than a Glock 19/23 but its thinner cuz it's single stack like a 1911. It's 6+1 of 45ACP :D

[MurphysLaw]

I like my Kahr, wouldn't hesitate to buy another.

[emopunker2004]

No doubt.

[forgop]

My ffl told me he sold a couple of his personal ar stripped lowers for $500 each.


Finally picking up my 4 of my lowers tomorrow (along with the 2 Shields). Keeping just 1 stripped lower, listing the other 3 for $450 obo and then listing my extra Shield for $650 obo.

[Remo]

Looks good Justin :tu

[emopunker2004]

Good luck getting that for the Shield. It's not a Hi-cap gun so i don't think you'll get much more than retail. if you do then good. You should be able to get that for the lowers

[CigarSquid]

Looks good. I am doing my research for something for the wife. Not sure if I/She wants a 9mm or revolver.

9mm would be nice, since the ammo will be simple.. I buy it already.

Revolver, less trouble and pretty much to the point.. She has trouble with the slide at times.

[emopunker2004]

Looks good. I am doing my research for something for the wife. Not sure if I/She wants a 9mm or revolver.

9mm would be nice, since the ammo will be simple.. I buy it already.

Revolver, less trouble and pretty much to the point.. She has trouble with the slide at times.

I would say the smaller the pistol, usually the harder the slide is to manipulate, obviously caliber is factored into this as well. :2

[emopunker2004]

Well...
ATF Form 1 completed in duplicate.
Trust complete. Just need to have it notarized and witnessed.

[spectrrr]

Nice Justin :tu
And rockin my favorite series of EDC lights too :tu

[emopunker2004]

Yep that's my EDC/Work light :tu

[Robulous78]

Hey Justin, you ever sleep or is it all Cigars and Guns for you... LoL :lr

[emopunker2004]

Hey Justin, you ever sleep or is it all Cigars and Guns for you... LoL :lr

The joys of working the graveyard shift brother! :tu

[Robulous78]

The joys of working the graveyard shift brother! :tu

I am typically right there with ya on that... but for the last 2 week schedule they have had me on days... I miss all my f-off time... :lr

this morning I simply find myself un-tired...thinking about the merits of firing up a stick and knocking out a little house-cleaning... doubt it will happen tho... LoL

So, not to ask too personal of a question, but seeing as your pretty much a resident of this thread I feel compelled to ask... How large is your collection? so large you break it down into rifles, pistols, and other-such?

[emopunker2004]

My current collection is small. I have the handgun posted, my ar, my wife's ar, her revolver and we each have a mosin nagant. so 6 total between us. i've owned several different revolvers and pistols that i've sold off to use the money for other things and then bought new guns later.

[Robulous78]

As much as I see you on here I thought you might be on your way to opening your own shop... :lr

So, know of any bada$$ accessories for a Mossberg 500? or to be more specific, any accessories for a Mossberg 500 that aren't made of cheap plastic? :lr

I love my shotgun, but all the accessories I find for it seem to be either overpriced, poorly made, or a mixture of the 2...

[emopunker2004]

it's a shotgun dude. only accessory u need is ammo...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/974135/blackhawk-knoxx-specops-gen-2-adjustable-length-of-pull-recoil-reducing-stock-with-forend-maverick-88-mossberg-500-590-590a1-835-12-gauge-synthetic-black

[Robulous78]

it's a shotgun dude. only accessory u need is ammo...
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/974135/blackhawk-knoxx-specops-gen-2-adjustable-length-of-pull-recoil-reducing-stock-with-forend-maverick-88-mossberg-500-590-590a1-835-12-gauge-synthetic-black

LoL, true... but I still think a flashlight would be a sensible addition...

[emopunker2004]

http://www.amazon.com/LED-WeaponLight-Mossberg-Forend-Tube/dp/B00488OLBE

:r

[spectrrr]

Kids, USE SAFETY PRECAUTIONS. lol . FPSRussia got lucky on that one... REALLY lucky. If you pause it you'll see how close it came to hitting him.

http://youtu.be/SJ8Ndkg8urw?t=3m18s

[Robulous78]

Holy Crap.... Yea he did get pretty close.... LoL :lr

He has that, get me off camera so I can go sh!t in my pants look on his face at the end...

[spectrrr]

Holy Crap.... Yea he did get pretty close.... LoL :lr

He has that, get me off camera so I can go sh!t in my pants look on his face at the end...

:r yeah... and no option for retakes or cuts, he had to come up with something to say on the spot.

[emopunker2004]

Francis did you hear? FPS russia manager and arms expert was murdered? :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259190/Keith-Ratliff-Popular-online-guns-explosives-expert-shot-death-rural-Georgia-road.html

[Robulous78]

Wow... Wonder what happened... hope they still keep making videos...

[spectrrr]

yeah, I heard that.

[emopunker2004]

a bunch of conspiracy people think it was anti 2a people that did it

[Blueface]

Nice Kahr.
Nothing like the beauty of a .45 caliber.
Testosterone rush!!!

[spectrrr]

just got notification that 10 of my pmags shipped :noon

[emopunker2004]

Sweet Francis!!

I love the trigger on this kahr! It's even better than the one I had on my cm9

[Blueface]

just got notification that 10 of my pmags shipped :noon

From who?
Waiting on mine from Midway.

[spectrrr]

From who?
Waiting on mine from Midway.

DSG arms

I ordered window mags and non window mags. ALL BLACK. The window mags shipped. still waiting on the non window mags.

[Blueface]

DSG arms

I ordered window mags and non window mags. ALL BLACK. The window mags shipped. still waiting on the non window mags.

Curious.....when did yo place order?

[forgop]

Picked up my new Shield today. I was going to pick up both, but opted to wait after talking with the guy a multi handgun purchase requires all of the detailed information of type, serial numbers, etc faxed to the state. By waiting 7 days, I avoid that.

Loved the way it shoots. Didn't hit the target much as I missed the steel plate I was shooting at. Missed to the left a lot, so a sight adjustment may be needed. Will wait until I have some trips to the range to see a much bigger trend.

[emopunker2004]

Duane

http://kitup.military.com/2012/08/pistol-shooting-chart-training.html

[jluck]

Duane

http://kitup.military.com/2012/08/pistol-shooting-chart-training.html

Good info there! I was going to try to explain some of that but the chart is Way better!:tu

It is amazing how ones shooting can improve with formal training!

[Blueface]

Duane

http://kitup.military.com/2012/08/pistol-shooting-chart-training.html

Great chart.
Duane would try to adjust those sights until blue in the face.
This is one of those "user" errors, not a software issue.:D

[forgop]

My brother is an experienced shooter and seemed to go left with most of his shots too, so that's why I thought there may be a bit to it. Not disputing I need more practice though. Will look into the chart for sure though.

[spectrrr]

curious.....when did yo place order?

12/21

[spectrrr]

yeah, that chart has helped me a lot.... but I have a long way to go. No doubt that the pistol is my weaker discipline. (not surprising, it's also the harder of the disciplines, and unlike riding a bike, you DO forget how to shoot it well if you don't practice regularly).

[spectrrr]

DAMNIT - Ordered 500rds of cheap .308 ammo last week for .40/rd, on a 2 week backorder. Just got an email saying it will be a 10 week backorder now, same week I'm planning on leaving the country.... :bh

LOL... they really don't have a clue when anything is coming in...
I just looked on the site for backorder times on that particular ammo. They sell it in boxes of 20 (backordered till 1/28), 240 (backordered till 8/5!), 500 (backordered till 4/1), and 1000 (backordered till 4/1). Of course, none of those dates are the backorder date of 3/15 that the email sent today quoted me! And since those larger pack sizes are made up of smaller boxes... only one of those dates can be accurate!

Well, I'm putting in the backorder for the 1/28 stuff... but I'll probably have to cancel! I'm gonna be bummed if the rifle shows up with no ammo to shoot from it :(

Time to see if sgammo has got anything...
DERP, nope... (well, not unless I want to pay .80 a round)

[jluck]

I'm looking for a good red dot style sight I want something that still works without battery power, like leupold prisimatic or trijicon tripower. Any other suggestions for me?

Also cost is a factor.

[spectrrr]

if you want the cheap way to do it without power, you could mount it low enough so it co witnesses the iron sights - assuming you've got folding iron sights.... or irons at all!

[jluck]

if you want the cheap way to do it without power, you could mount it low enough so it co witnesses the iron sights - assuming you've got folding iron sights.... or irons at all!

I will try to keep sight of the iron but do want a nice sight. Price is a factor but not an absolute deal breaker. I will end up with the leupold more than likely but wanted some other ideas.

[CigarSquid]

DAMNIT - Ordered 500rds of cheap .308 ammo last week for .40/rd, on a 2 week backorder. Just got an email saying it will be a 10 week backorder now, same week I'm planning on leaving the country.... :bh

LOL... they really don't have a clue when anything is coming in...
I just looked on the site for backorder times on that particular ammo. They sell it in boxes of 20 (backordered till 1/28), 240 (backordered till 8/5!), 500 (backordered till 4/1), and 1000 (backordered till 4/1). Of course, none of those dates are the backorder date of 3/15 that the email sent today quoted me! And since those larger pack sizes are made up of smaller boxes... only one of those dates can be accurate!

Well, I'm putting in the backorder for the 1/28 stuff... but I'll probably have to cancel! I'm gonna be bummed if the rifle shows up with no ammo to shoot from it :(

Time to see if sgammo has got anything...
DERP, nope... (well, not unless I want to pay .80 a round)

I hear ya.. Ordered 1000 rounds of 9mm for about .23/rd.. This was Friday/Saturday.. Still waiting to hear on the order/shipping.

[emopunker2004]

My brother is an experienced shooter and seemed to go left with most of his shots too, so that's why I thought there may be a bit to it. Not disputing I need more practice though. Will look into the chart for sure though.

It doesnt have much to do with experience. Each gun is different. I'd get some more trigger time behind this specific gun and then make a decision about the sights. Might help to get some snap caps and have someone load your mag up and place in the gun for you. Then when the gun goes click and not bang you can see if your doing something wrong. :2

[emopunker2004]

Francis
http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/2038.htm

Jared
You wanting a 1x magnifacation sight? IE no magnification?

[spectrrr]

Francis
http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/2038.htm

still too pricy, I'm not willing to pay more than .50/rd for plinker ammo.
Besides, I sacrificed ~1 MOA in accuracy when I got this particular model rifle precisely so that it could shoot the cheap steel cased garbage :tg

[jluck]

Francis
http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/2038.htm

Jared
You wanting a 1x magnifacation sight? IE no magnification?I want 1x or low powered optic, like 3x at the very most.

[emopunker2004]

Are you looking for no battery? The aimpoint pro is like $370-$400 and is 1x and has a battery life of a gazillion hours. Ok it's like 30,000 hours but thats like 3yrs contantly on.

[emopunker2004]

still too pricy, I'm not willing to pay more than .50/rd for plinker ammo.
Besides, I sacrificed ~1 MOA in accuracy when I got this particular model rifle precisely so that it could shoot the cheap steel cased garbage :tg

mhm and what good does it do you when The Prez enacts a EO and stops all ammo importation? Guess where the steel **** comes from...

[jluck]

Are you looking for no battery? The aimpoint pro is like $370-$400 and is 1x and has a battery life of a gazillion hours. Ok it's like 30,000 hours but thats like 3yrs contantly on.
I really want something that will still somewhat work with a dead battery, the leupold prismatic has a etched reticle as a fail safe and I figured others must have done similar.

[emopunker2004]

i mean if you got money to burn. but i'd think the aimpoint with 3yr batt life plus flip up irons would work great

[spectrrr]

mhm and what good does it do you when The Prez enacts a EO and stops all ammo importation? Guess where the steel **** comes from...

shush, I can dream, RIGHT? (and in the meantime, my tush is marching to the state capitol on the 19th, I'm not snoozin through this one)

....at that point then, I offer my friend/mentor $$ for his reloading gear, cuz he doesn't shoot matches anymore and might sell :)

Either way, I strongly prefer rifles that are not picky about the ammo I feed them. Picky eaters don't have a lot of place in my house! Because, you know, if the uhh, zombies ever came, I wouldn't exactly have my choice of ammo, would I?

[emopunker2004]

sweet. i cant go, i'd love to go though

[jluck]

i mean if you got money to burn. but i'd think the aimpoint with 3yr batt life plus flip up irons would work great
That's why I'm exploring other options, I would rather not pay 500 for a etched piece of glass but will if I have too....maybe.

[spectrrr]

sweet. i cant go, i'd love to go though

I've never done something like that before. But I figure if ever there was something I personally felt worth of it, this is it! that and the day is open for me, and it's onyl a 1.5hr drive, so I don't have much excuse!

[emopunker2004]

That's why I'm exploring other options, I would rather not pay 500 for a etched piece of glass but will if I have too....maybe.
$400+ like $75 for a set of Magpul BUIS
I've never done something like that before. But I figure if ever there was something I personally felt worth of it, this is it! that and the day is open for me, and it's onyl a 1.5hr drive, so I don't have much excuse!

Oh yeh you're way closer than me :r

[emopunker2004]

shush, I can dream, RIGHT? (and in the meantime, my tush is marching to the state capitol on the 19th, I'm not snoozin through this one)

....at that point then, I offer my friend/mentor $$ for his reloading gear, cuz he doesn't shoot matches anymore and might sell :)

Either way, I strongly prefer rifles that are not picky about the ammo I feed them. Picky eaters don't have a lot of place in my house! Because, you know, if the uhh, zombies ever came, I wouldn't exactly have my choice of ammo, would I?

I love pissing on your parade :r

[forgop]

My brother reloads his own ammo and I saw his setup yesterday. He couldn't believe I paid $100 for 200 rounds of the 40S&W practice rounds I picked up at Gander Mountain. He said if I picked up the powder, he'd load me some. His preference is for Winchester 231 and for 8#, he'll load me 800 rounds.

Best price I've seen thus far is at Mid South Shooters Supply at $160 shipped, so I just pulled the trigger. Backorder on the powder is ~ 10 days according to the site.

[forgop]

I'm not a twitter geek by any means, but I searched AR-15 and saw that there are over 1M PMAG's on backorder now. Just imagine what that number is when you figure all manufacturers of 30 round magazines.

[spectrrr]

My brother reloads his own ammo and I saw his setup yesterday. He couldn't believe I paid $100 for 200 rounds of the 40S&W practice rounds I picked up at Gander Mountain. He said if I picked up the powder, he'd load me some. His preference is for Winchester 231 and for 8#, he'll load me 800 rounds.

Best price I've seen thus far is at Mid South Shooters Supply at $160 shipped, so I just pulled the trigger. Backorder on the powder is ~ 10 days according to the site.

If I get into 3gun next year, there's no doubt I'll need to start reloading my won.

I'm not a twitter geek by any means, but I searched AR-15 and saw that there are over 1M PMAG's on backorder now. Just imagine what that number is when you figure all manufacturers of 30 round magazines.

:r that's a huge number....

good luck confiscating all of em!

http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/rifles/over-a-million-pmags-on-backorder/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+armoryblogfeed+%28Armory+Blog %29

[dijit]

You should take a look at Vitha Vhori (sp) powder really clean and even burn so you get better muzzle velocities without a weapon rending increase in chamber pressures. For Pistols 3N37 is a very good choice and for medium to large bore rifles N300.

If I get into 3gun next year, there's no doubt I'll need to start reloading my won.



:r that's a huge number....

good luck confiscating all of em!

http://www.armoryblog.com/firearms/rifles/over-a-million-pmags-on-backorder/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+armoryblogfeed+%28Armory+Blog %29

[Blueface]

I'm not a twitter geek by any means, but I searched AR-15 and saw that there are over 1M PMAG's on backorder now. Just imagine what that number is when you figure all manufacturers of 30 round magazines.

It was just in the news. Amazing number.

[emopunker2004]

It was just in the news. Amazing number.

And the number of guns bought in 2012 borders 3,000,000! Obama certainly helped out the firearm industry's bottom line lol

[Digs]

And the number of guns bought in 2012 borders 3,000,000! Obama certainly helped out the firearm industry's bottom line lol


Justin think that number maybe a little low - 2,900,000 back ground checks in December alone!!! Up almost 50% from the previous record in December 2008.

No doubt Barrack Hussein Obama is the top firearms sales person of all times ;)

[spectrrr]

2,900,000 background checks, and that's not counting multiple purchases on one check :)

[forgop]

2,900,000 background checks, and that's not counting multiple purchases on one check :)

Yep-my call yesterday was for the Shield and 2 stripped lowers. There will be another call made though when I pick up my other Shield in a week though.

[forgop]

Question for any of you who have picked up multiple items at a FFL:

Have you been charged for each item or just per call? I was expecting to pay $25 for each item, but he only charges $25 for all of it as he charges by the call, not the number of items.

[Digs]

Question for any of you who have picked up multiple items at a FFL:

Have you been charged for each item or just per call? I was expecting to pay $25 for each item, but he only charges $25 for all of it as he charges by the call, not the number of items.

Its only $20-$25 per check even if you have 2 firearms, I believe if you have 3 or more firearms the dealer needs to complete what is called a multiply sale form which will delay the process.

[forgop]

Its only $20-$25 per check even if you have 2 firearms, I believe if you have 3 or more firearms the dealer needs to complete what is called a multiply sale form which will delay the process.

He told me I could buy as many long guns in the same purchase as I wanted, but the minute you have 2 handguns in the same purchase, I fill out a form with all of my personal information, type of gun, serial number, etc. that is faxed to the state before I even walk out of the store.

Hence, I'm waiting to go back for a week and pay the additional $25 so the state doesn't get that info.

[Digs]

IN maybe a little different then Pa.
In Pa you could do another back ground check moments after you did the first. Just can't have 3 or more on the same form.

[spectrrr]

I called all the local dealers here, b/c I have a few stripped lowers on order, and all of them said they charged PER ITEM received, not per shipment. :(

[forgop]

This is awesome! See the questions/answers as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Assault-Weapon-Cavemans-AR15-Assault-Rock-/190781941697?

[spectrrr]

this is awesome! See the questions/answers as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/assault-weapon-cavemans-ar15-assault-rock-/190781941697?

hahahahahaha, epic!

[Steve]

Awesome!

[bonjing]

This is awesome! See the questions/answers as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Assault-Weapon-Cavemans-AR15-Assault-Rock-/190781941697?

Thanks for posting that, Needed a good laugh at work!

[Blueface]

Shotguns are next.
Run out and buy one.
CA student walks into school and shoots student.
Had 20 rounds in pocket.

Next, ban on pockets.

[dijit]

This is awesome! See the questions/answers as well.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Assault-Weapon-Cavemans-AR15-Assault-Rock-/190781941697?

WOW! just WOW!

[bonjing]

Shotguns are next.
Run out and buy one.
CA student walks into school and shoots student.
Had 20 rounds in pocket.

Next, ban on pockets.

We're screwed ;s

In California i wouldn't be surprised if there were a ban on pockets, maybe a pocket limiter, we are only allowed to have a coin pocket on all our pants, get your pre-ban pants now guys! ! !

[emopunker2004]

Question for any of you who have picked up multiple items at a FFL:

Have you been charged for each item or just per call? I was expecting to pay $25 for each item, but he only charges $25 for all of it as he charges by the call, not the number of items.

My ffl charges 1 fee per call

[emopunker2004]

Shotguns are next.
Run out and buy one.
CA student walks into school and shoots student.
Had 20 rounds in pocket.

Next, ban on pockets.

Impossible! Cali has no gun crime because of their strict gun laws...
Shotguns will never be banned because it falls into the sporting arms that they always talk about.

[Blueface]

Impossible! Cali has no gun crime because of their strict gun laws...
Shotguns will never be banned because it falls into the sporting arms that they always talk about.

OK, what about pockets?:r

[emopunker2004]

OK, what about pockets?:r

Assault pockets should be banned for sure

[Blueface]

Hurry up, M3 Magpuls on Palmetto.
Got four.
They now added window ones in tan.

[emopunker2004]

I'm good. I have 16 mags in order

Plus PSA is running 3 weeks to ship. I'm still waiting on ammo from them.

[Blueface]

I have plenty.
Not in a hurry.
I just figured they are in stock, ordered four, to put away in wrapper.
Palmetto only sells what is in stock so in a few weeks, will have them.

[emopunker2004]

Yeh. I like PSA. That's where my ar15 upper is from

[Drez]

carlos PM me a link please. :tu

[spectrrr]

out of stock now :/

I'm good, got plenty of Black pmags... tho I would have liked a few more FDE, I like those

[Drez]

i need a couple AK mags. Hell i need ammo too.

[Blueface]

Lasted around 10 minutes and now gone.
I check their site around three or four times a day as you never know when things will pop up.
Took me three times to get order processed so that must be an indication of how many others were jumping all over this.

Link is www.palmettostatearmory.com

I like to refer to the link as:
Www.please don't tell my wife how much I have spent there in the last month.com

[spectrrr]

i need a couple AK mags. Hell i need ammo too.

I leave slick guns open 24/7, refresh it anytime I walk by the computer.

http://www.slickguns.com/category/accessories

[spectrrr]

Link is www.palmettostatearmory.com

I like to refer to the link as:
Www.please don't tell my wife how much I have spent there in the last month.com

:r :r

Yeah... I uhh, totaled up everything I spent on guns and accessories in the last month. I think I need to sell a few things. :)
And yeah, if my fiance ever found out... :hn

[emopunker2004]

Lol

[spectrrr]

Lol

The accessories are what kill you... death of a 1000 cuts. But the time you add mags (lots), optic, rail, maybe a few needed internal part improvements, levers, mag releases, buffers and the such, and you've doubled the price of the gun! I was doing good till I added all those things up :tg

That's alright, I've had some things earmarked for sale for a while... just need to get em properly photographed and I'll post em on AR15, then gunbroker later if there's no bites.

[emopunker2004]

Lol u shoulda just kept it as a KISS rifle

[spectrrr]

Lol u shoulda just kept it as a KISS rifle

http://www.outofregs.com/postImages/1301450955.jpg

??????????????????

:)

I can't - no upgrades allowed later! It's not getting tricked out THAT much... just given the usual stuff.

[emopunker2004]

Tard :r

[spectrrr]

:tg :tg :tg

[Commander Quan]

Anyone have experience with Taurus Revolvers?

The other day I was looking at...sigh ok, I bought a Taurus Tracker 357 magnum. I wanted a Ruger GP100, but the guy at the shop said he had no idea when they would get any more of them in. Normally the shop has 150+ guns on display, and who knows how many in stock. Today they were down to about 50 guns on display, some of them the last of their model in the store. Needless to say I walked out with the last 4" 357 of any make in the store.

The good.
The gun is sexy a heck, feels nice in my hand, and with the porting on the barrel should be good for the Mrs. to shoot with 38 Special rounds.

The bad
It's a Taurus.

I personally haven't had any experience with Taurus but the internet it littered with stories of people having to send their guns back to Miami for repairs. I assume these are the vocal minority, but I have to ask who has experience with Taurus revolvers, and was it good or bad. I have 30 days to return the gun for a full refund, and will be keeping an eye out for the Ruger during that time, but if I knew this gun would be problem free wouldn't mind keeping it at all.

[emopunker2004]

Taurus revolvers are good. Most of the semi pistols are not.

[Stevez]

Taurus revolvers are good. Most of the semi pistols are not.



I second this; I read a lot on different gun sites and the semi-auto pistols are the problem, not there revolvers. I shot my brother-in-law's Taurus 357 about a year ago and it shot great. I don't remember the exact model he had though. I think you'll be ok. Steve

[dijit]

Anyone have experience with Taurus Revolvers?



I have owned 3 Taurus handguns, a nickle 357 revolver 3 inch barrel, a PT99 which I never had a problem with either of these. The latest one was a Centurion? I think that is the name of it. I tend to forget things I dislike and that 9mm was a piece of junk. Jammed on almost everything I tried to feed it sent it back to the manufacturer once and polished the ramp myself and had a local gunsmith look at it. The only good thing was for a short barreled 9 it was very accurate.

[macon]

My first post on a cigar forum is about a revolver. My very first handgun was a Taurus .38. No idea what model - traded for it. I had a friend who, thank God, knew guns. Mine was worn out. This was 30 years ago. I think they make better firearms now. When you pull the trigger on a revolver, the cylinder better lock in place. Mine did on one chamber. Lol.
My second pistol was an HK P9S .45 ACP. It was polymer before it was common place. Accurate as anything mostly due to polygonal boring. I still own 2 HKs but not that one.
Note: I called an ammo supplier to find out if they would be at a gun show this weekend since they sell .357 sig as cheap as anyone - my favorite semi round. I carry an M&P .357 sig. They said they would but beware 1000 folks waited in 25 degree weather last week in Asheville,NC last week. Get to shows early these days. After all that I'm going to go smoke a Tatuaje Fausto.

[forgop]

In case you aren't an NRA member, here's a great incentive.
https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp?CampaignID=bassprowy

[emopunker2004]

Yep! Or there's a link over in arfcom for a $300 lifetime membership

[forgop]

Does that give me the $25 bass pro gift card for my upcoming Canada fly-in fishing trip though? :D

[CasaDooley]

Yep! Or there's a link over in arfcom for a $300 lifetime membership

Justen, will you please post a link?

[emopunker2004]

Justen, will you please post a link?
I would go join arfcom and go to the nra forum the info is stickied. Someone has to do it for u that's already one.
Does that give me the $25 bass pro gift card for my upcoming Canada fly-in fishing trip though? :D
No but I think u get a jacket and stuff

[emopunker2004]

heres the link to the thread but you have to join arfcom read the first post then go look at the last page and mention you want in on this and see what they say.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1259971_NRA_life_membership_for__300___Check_threa d_to_see_if_slots_are_available_.html

[spectrrr]

anyone live near Newington, CT? :)

http://www.hoffgun.com/SP-MP15SportVP.htm

[emopunker2004]

Come on Francis. Ct is now trying to ban all guns that are not single shot yeh wtf

[spectrrr]

My first post on a cigar forum is about a revolver. My very first handgun was a Taurus .38. No idea what model - traded for it. I had a friend who, thank God, knew guns. Mine was worn out. This was 30 years ago. I think they make better firearms now. When you pull the trigger on a revolver, the cylinder better lock in place. Mine did on one chamber. Lol.
My second pistol was an HK P9S .45 ACP. It was polymer before it was common place. Accurate as anything mostly due to polygonal boring. I still own 2 HKs but not that one.
Note: I called an ammo supplier to find out if they would be at a gun show this weekend since they sell .357 sig as cheap as anyone - my favorite semi round. I carry an M&P .357 sig. They said they would but beware 1000 folks waited in 25 degree weather last week in Asheville,NC last week. Get to shows early these days. After all that I'm going to go smoke a Tatuaje Fausto.

Welcome to the forums Macon! Stop by the New Inmate Processing area and introduce yourself :)

The last few weeks when I went to a show, I showed up around noon, and by then the line had died down to about 20 minutes...
But really, stocks are so low, there's better stuff online these days. ONLY thing I've seen worthwhile at at the shows is the private sales... there's still a few decent deals to be had in that arena.

[spectrrr]

Come on Francis. Ct is now trying to ban all guns that are not single shot yeh wtf

Are they now? lol. I don't even pay attention to those states anymore, I just expect all of them to eventually try it. I used to live in MA. that's enough for me!

[emopunker2004]

Yep. Insanity. Where are you now?

[spectrrr]

Ohio :tu

About the only really asinine law we have is a restriction on 31+ rd magazines. You can OWN / BUY / SELL them, just can't USE them!

[emopunker2004]

Lol oh ok cuz that makes sense lol

[spectrrr]

Lol oh ok cuz that makes sense lol

YEP.

I can go to a gun show. buy a 33rd glock mag. take it home. enjoy it's beauty. Just can't put it in the gun. :bh

You can't even make an argument in favor of the law for reducing crime or shooting victims, because there's no attempt to stop people from having them!

Other than that, we're pretty good. We've had some horribly confusing and restrictive car carry laws in the past (a loaded mag in the trunk counted as a loaded weapon, and would get you in hot water)... actually, a loaded mag anywhere does ;) .... but that finally got fixed and clarified this year. So altogether, we're pretty relaxed here.

[emopunker2004]

So no 100-rd beta mags in ur Ar the lol

[Digs]

Yep! Or there's a link over in arfcom for a $300 lifetime membership

Justin I upgraded my my membership using a sponsor on arfcom, $300 :noon

Worked like a charm - This is a great deal $700 savings!!

[emopunker2004]

Good to hear Dennis. Regular membership for me and the wife right now

[spectrrr]

So no 100-rd beta mags in ur Ar the lol

Nope! And no 48rd mags if I start doing 3gun next year.... at least not at in-state matches.

[forgop]

I know one of the things that will be touched on in a new law will be the requirement of a background check for all private sales. Anyone have an issue with it?

Personally, I'm for it. Would you want to know people that are denied via a dealer/background check can just resort to buying off a private sale with no such consideration? The only downfall will involve a bureaucratic process of P2P sales that will obviously encounter increased time and expense to make said transaction.

[macon]

Welcome to the forums Macon! Stop by the New Inmate Processing area and introduce yourself :)

The last few weeks when I went to a show, I showed up around noon, and by then the line had died down to about 20 minutes...
But really, stocks are so low, there's better stuff online these days. ONLY thing I've seen worthwhile at at the shows is the private sales... there's still a few decent deals to be had in that arena.
Did - thanks.

[emopunker2004]

Duane, only if they open nics up to everyone. If u have to go to a dealer to do private sales then they can FOAD

[Digs]

I know one of the things that will be touched on in a new law will be the requirement of a background check for all private sales. Anyone have an issue with it?

Personally, I'm for it. Would you want to know people that are denied via a dealer/background check can just resort to buying off a private sale with no such consideration? The only downfall will involve a bureaucratic process of P2P sales that will obviously encounter increased time and expense to make said transaction.

I would rather not speculate at all how we maybe getting f--ked buy doing this we are already conceding that there going to get something thru! Even if he goes the EO route its still subject to congressional review (he is not a king and cant invalidate the senate and congress)I don’t think there are many Republicans that are going to vote against gun owners, even slick Willy mentioned numerous times that the 94 AWB cost him the house and Senate. I DONT have a problem with stopping papered nuts and non US citizens from buying firearms. (WTF?)

Here in Pa you cant legally sell long guns to another individual that you know is able to pass a back ground check, if you sell it to someone you know couldn’t legally obtain it you are in trouble its considered a straw purchase. As far as handguns go in Pa with the exception of immediate family you need to go to the gun shop and have them perform the back ground check.

I am still preparing for the worst and hoping for the best :tu

[elderboy02]

I know one of the things that will be touched on in a new law will be the requirement of a background check for all private sales. Anyone have an issue with it?

Personally, I'm for it. Would you want to know people that are denied via a dealer/background check can just resort to buying off a private sale with no such consideration? The only downfall will involve a bureaucratic process of P2P sales that will obviously encounter increased time and expense to make said transaction.

I am not for it at all. It will cost you more when you go to sell a firearm. I am sure FFL dealers will want to charge you to do a background check.

Also, the wording of the Second Amendment says "...shall not be infringed."

No compromise.

[emopunker2004]

I am not for it at all. It will cost you more when you go to sell a firearm. I am sure FFL dealers will want to charge you to do a background check.

Also, the wording of the Second Amendment says "...shall not be infringed."

No compromise.

There's always opening NICS to everyone so u can do your own checks. But I would rather nothing.

[Digs]

I am not for it at all. It will cost you more when you go to sell a firearm. I am sure FFL dealers will want to charge you to do a background check.

Also, the wording of the Second Amendment says "...shall not be infringed."

No compromise.

I already have local dealers that "rape and pillage the village"
On P2P back ground checks / $50 !!!

[MurphysLaw]

Yep! Or there's a link over in arfcom for a $300 lifetime membership

Thanks for this info, going to check with a family member that's a lifetime member to see if I can get in on this :tu

[bonjing]

In California we already do that. All PPT's must go through a dealer, $35 for transfers and 10 day waiting period.

[elderboy02]

In California we already do that. All PPT's must go through a dealer, $35 for transfers and 10 day waiting period.

There you go forgop. :tu

I'll pass on all that BS

[forgop]

I am not for it at all. It will cost you more when you go to sell a firearm. I am sure FFL dealers will want to charge you to do a background check.

Also, the wording of the Second Amendment says "...shall not be infringed."

No compromise.

Well, in some ways that right has already been infringed upon based upon the background check through dealer purchases. I'm just of the opinion that felons shouldn't have easier access buying from me than a dealer. It's obviously up to our discretion on who we sell to, but I'm not confident in the average citizen's judgment on who they sell to as long as they get the money.

[Digs]

Well, in some ways that right has already been infringed upon based upon the background check through dealer purchases. I'm just of the opinion that felons shouldn't have easier access buying from me than a dealer. It's obviously up to our discretion on who we sell to, but I'm not confident in the average citizen's judgment on who they sell to as long as they get the money.

If John Q public sells a gun to "felon" then he himself is a "felon"
Felons don’t go down to the local gun shop and perform a back ground check on a firearm that is probably stolen!??

Once again this only effects to hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens

[elderboy02]

+1. Most criminals don't go to gun shows to buy guns from private individuals. Most criminals get their guns from burglaries, and the black market.

[spectrrr]

I know one of the things that will be touched on in a new law will be the requirement of a background check for all private sales. Anyone have an issue with it?

Personally, I'm for it. Would you want to know people that are denied via a dealer/background check can just resort to buying off a private sale with no such consideration? The only downfall will involve a bureaucratic process of P2P sales that will obviously encounter increased time and expense to make said transaction.

On the surface, it sounds good... except the details of any implementation fall apart, and make every owner trackable.

Lets explore it:
New law - "private sales must be done at a dealer and have a background check."

But, here's the rub. If me and Justin are pals and live in the same town, I want to sell a gun to him. He's not going to turn me in, so we sell it privately. how would you know we sold it privately? Only one way - guns & serial numbers have to be linked to their owners and tracked, and if the correct owner doesn't have it, big doo doo for that owner. Which means they know what each owner has.

Right now for example, I purchased a Glock 17 last week. That was last week. There is a paper trail that leads from the Manufacturer, to the dealer, and then to me. But that's where the chain gets broken. You have NO IDEA if I still have it today. I could have just as easily sold it yesterday. Sorry officer, I don't have that anymore.

Right now there is no central database (ATF has to do it by hand, call the dealer, etc), however the creation of one is being strongly considered by the prez, and honestly, it wouldn't take much, I'd say it's a high likelihood.

So assuming we have a central database of sales, BLAM, who needs "registration?". One computer search will show exactly what I have - keyword, HAVE, present tense, not "HAD" as in past tense. Someone shows up at my door and asks to see my Glock 17 that I purchased last week, then I damned well better have it or the paper trail to prove I don't. :td I can't say I needed money and sold it at a gun show yesterday, they're going to need to see that paper trail. But maybe I don't want people to know I have it ;)

And if that paper trail requirement doesn't exist, then what is the point? People are lazy, they will continue to sell without a BG check to anyone that doesn't look like a BATF agent, why go through the hassle if you don't have to?


Finally, bear in mind that most felon's have been trained by the U.S. Prison system to get what they want in a complete lock down environment. If they can find a way to get drugs, booze, weapons etc while in the slammer, something tells me that adding another layer of background checks will be largely ineffective, they'll just go through other routes!

(And the felons that haven't received that training are usually felons because of softer crimes, like I stole $15k, the kinds of guys we really don't need to worry about too much.)


Now, with all of that said (because I couldn't resist, and I should have), I think we're dancing with the political devil here topic wise, and probably, err no, NEED to be more careful ;)

[jluck]

In Oregon, there is a "Blue form"(I don't know the form number) that gun show promoters have to supply for private sales, You need a cell and a credit card for the 10 dollar fee, you can call in your own background checks if you want.

Other states might do the same or similar....

[elderboy02]

AIM Surplus had some 7.62x39 in stock last night, but of course it all sold out quickly.

[Blueface]

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Man, come to think of it, small landscape rocks also.
Just imagine how many in a bag and how many folks can lose their lives as result of an irresponsible homeowner or landscaper.
Background checks for ALL/everything!!!!:r

[elderboy02]

Hurry! Cabela's has 5.56 in stock: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Federal174-American-Eagle-556-NATO-Ammunition-with-Ammo-Can/1278434.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3D searchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProduc ts%26Ntt%3Dfederal%2B420%26x%3D17%26y%3D9%26WTz_l% 3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=federal+420&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products

[spectrrr]

good ammo too... tempting...

[forgop]

Too late now.

[forgop]

I'm not thrilled with them making it all that much difficult to buy guns, but in today's environment, I'd take the increased regulations on P2P transactions than I would with them banning weapons/mags.

I'm certain one or the other will be coming, but to what extent, I don't know.

[Digs]

I'm not thrilled with them making it all that much difficult to buy guns, but in today's environment, I'd take the increased regulations on P2P transactions than I would with them banning weapons/mags.

I'm certain one or the other will be coming, but to what extent, I don't know.


I am certain there won't be - haha;)


On the Today show this morning, NRA President David Keene predicted to show host Matt Lauer that Congress would not successfully pass an assault weapons ban in 2013.

“I do not think that there is going to be a ban on so-called assault weapons passed by the Congress,” Keene declared, after Lauer asked him if the NRA was powerful enough to block the legislation.

Lauer questioned Keene about whether the power of the NRA was “eroded” after the school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

This Task Force spent most of its time on proposed restrictions on lawful firearms owners – honest, taxpaying, hardworking Americans. It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation’s most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen. Instead, we will now take our commitment and meaningful contributions to members of congress of both parties who are interested in having an honest conversation about what works – and what does not.

[forgop]

It's not congress that really worries me. As far as those who will listen, it's quite clear the NRA is indicating there will be lots of $100 handshakes.

[jluck]

It's not congress that really worries me. As far as those who will listen, it's quite clear the NRA is indicating there will be lots of $100 handshakes.

I think I missed that part of the story.

In other news....

The gun shop that jacked up the price on the I-tac I ordered has resorted to buying out our local fredmeyer store of certain guns and selling them on gunbroker.

[kaisersozei]

In the past few weeks, I've had the chance to fire a pretty good selection of handguns and we're looking to make our first purchase soon after the wife completes a class. Are there websites out there that can do a side-by-side comparison on a variety of weapon features, including things like cost?

Looking at sticking with a 9mm, and this would not be for cc. So far, we've prioritized these:

Springfield XDM
HK P30
Sig 226
Glock 19

My preference was for the Sig, but the wife was very comfortable & accurate with the XDM. We also fired, but are not interested in buying:

M&P Shield
Kahr PM9
Ruger LC9

I've searched through this thread and picked up a lot of good info, so thanks for that already! Any extra thoughts or suggestions on our top list would be appreciated

[bonjing]

My preference was for the Sig, but the wife was very comfortable & accurate with the XDM. We also fired, but are not interested in buying:



Get both! Seriously, if its within budget go for it. Get what felt good to you/wife. For me the only downside I explain to people about a SA/DA gun like the Sig is, you need to learn and practice with the both trigger pulls. The striker fired guns are simply one trigger pull to learn.

[Blueface]

Went to gun show in Ft. Lauderdale this morning with my son.
Paid for parking and after seeing there was little chance of getting in due to mob that was there, went home.
It was like nothing I have ever seen.
I thought I was going to the BCS championship game or Super Bowl.

[Col. Kurtz]

Hurry! Cabela's has 5.56 in stock: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Federal174-American-Eagle-556-NATO-Ammunition-with-Ammo-Can/1278434.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3D searchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProduc ts%26Ntt%3Dfederal%2B420%26x%3D17%26y%3D9%26WTz_l% 3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=federal+420&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products


What was the price when it was available Dan?

[Blueface]

What was the price when it was available Dan?

$194 for a 500 can.

[emopunker2004]

Hopefully I have 6mags in my mailbox when I go check

[Brian D.]

Went to gun show in Ft. Lauderdale this morning with my son.
Paid for parking and after seeing there was little chance of getting in due to mob that was there, went home.
It was like nothing I have ever seen.
I thought I was going to the BCS championship game or Super Bowl.

That's going on all over the country. Was reading about one in northeastern Ohio this weekend that had the "bonus" of parking on just-thawed-out grass. The tow truck operators were maybe making easier money than the show dealers!

[Brian D.]

My latest acquisition was a Browning Hi Power Mark III (black epoxy finish) chambered in 40 S&W caliber. Best I can tell Browning/FN stopped importing the .40 version some time ago, not sure they're even still in production. This one was made in 1993 but in virtually unfired condition. Well, until it fell into my clutches, that is. -(P

Have tried out several .40 S&W handguns thru the years, the BHP is among the best imo. When they made them they didn't just shoehorn a .40 barrel into a nine millimeter platform. The slide was widened, extra locking lug added to the barrel and slide, heavier recoil spring added. Those changes make it as pleasant to shoot as the 9 mm version.

The epoxy based finish used on the BHP may not be pretty, but past experience has shown it to be very resilient, even with frequent carry. If you're in the market for a modern era BHP to tote and use a bunch I highly recommend this finish over the blued.

As to the still available new 9mm Browning Hi Powers...

For what it's worth the "silver chrome" (Browning's name for hardchrome) model BHP is also very durable, but dang those can be hard to locate, they haven't done that finish in several years now. The Practical Model is epoxy black over silver chrome, think those are still imported, or at least some remain in the new supply pipeline.

Oh, one more variant surfaced a few years ago and may still be out there new: A digital camo finish. Again, not much to look at, but I believe that finish is again epoxy based, and should be tough.

[Col. Kurtz]

$194 for a 500 can.

That's not bad if it's true M855 and 500 rounds. Most I have seen packaged like that are 420 rounds and a bit cheaper.

[emopunker2004]

That's not bad if it's true M855 and 500 rounds. Most I have seen packaged like that are 420 rounds and a bit cheaper.

Not lately u haven't. Have priced ammo lately? cTD had m855 for a dollar a round lately

[Blueface]

That's not bad if it's true M855 and 500 rounds. Most I have seen packaged like that are 420 rounds and a bit cheaper.

Sorry, meant 420.

[emopunker2004]

No mags today :td

[MurphysLaw]

Went to gun show in Ft. Lauderdale this morning with my son.
Paid for parking and after seeing there was little chance of getting in due to mob that was there, went home.
It was like nothing I have ever seen.
I thought I was going to the BCS championship game or Super Bowl.

Damn, sorry to hear that, maybe I'll pass on making the trip down tomorrow.

[Blueface]

Damn, sorry to hear that, maybe I'll pass on making the trip down tomorrow.

Brian, can't possibly imagine any stock tomorrow unless prices where out of this planet.

[Digs]

Went to gun show in Ft. Lauderdale this morning with my son.
Paid for parking and after seeing there was little chance of getting in due to mob that was there, went home.
It was like nothing I have ever seen.
I thought I was going to the BCS championship game or Super Bowl.


I went to a local show today in Lebanon Pa. One of of about 6-8 shows that are local within 45 minutes max. (York-Harrisburg-Lebanon-Reading-Lessport-Mt Pocono)Between Sept. thru May I could go to a show every weekend. Turnout was huge had to wait 20 minutes or so to get in.

Prices were high, didn't see a crappy WASR AK under $1500 (wtf these were $169 at one time) most AR mags are $25-$35, cheapest AR was a colt 6920 for $1800, I am telling you the idiots are now primarily out of the market now, I was there for 6 hours and only saw one crappy DPMS sold! The same dealer i saw last weeks show with X6 6920 still had 6 today....

Anyway scored a FN M16 bolt carrier group for $200 a BCM/ Vltor upper for $200 and a nice Condor double rifle case in FDE for $80 and..... 4 gen 3 p mags for $25 each. Didn't need them but what the hell:tu

[Steelerfanatic]

I just wish I could find some 223/556 brass cases ammo for less than a damn dollar a round! This is crazy.

[emopunker2004]

I just wish I could find some 223/556 brass cases ammo for less than a damn dollar a round! This is crazy.

U can. Just gotta check everywhere everyday. I got 200rds of m193 for 90 on dec 27

[forgop]

Biggest gun show in the state is coming up next weekend. I reckon I can get better offers than $300 for stripped lowers than I've received on armslist. Some tools offered me $100-$135.

That's where I'll be come Friday morning with my spare Shield as well.

[emopunker2004]

Put them on gunbroker

[spectrrr]

Put them on gunbroker

+1

[bigswol2]

U can. Just gotta check everywhere everyday. I got 200rds of m193 for 90 on dec 27

I have about 1000 rounds of m193 tracer. I put it on armslist.

[jluck]

Biggest gun show in the state is coming up next weekend. I reckon I can get better offers than $300 for stripped lowers than I've received on armslist. Some tools offered me $100-$135.

That's where I'll be come Friday morning with my spare Shield as well.

You might want to hurry if your looking to ride the fear monger wagon with the sale and huge profits of these lowers. It looks like the stupid frenzy is slowing down. Stripped lowers are still getting a couple hundred bucks on average it looks like to me. :2

And I agree with you using Gunbroker,It's the last refuge of suckers.