First Firearm Thread.

[cigarmonkel]

I watched some ar15 builds on youtube and it seems easy enough. Hardest part for me will be not losing the springs and pins haha. If I don't build me own I have my eyes set on the m&p 15-T. Otherwise from what I've heard and understand (correct me if I'm wrong) is the lower can be made of cheaper parts but the upper is what really matters? I would definitely stick with bigger name brand parts and if I build it, it won't be a cheap. But if I was to save money would it be on the lower?

[Steelerfanatic]

Picked up a used Kel Tec Sub 2k Glock 17 model with three mags. Gonna take it out and give it a run this weekend. Now if I can only find the elusive PMR-30 by obession with Kel Tec will be over........for now.

[Mark C]

Ok, the more I think about my trigger options the more I'm not sure which direction to go. Which one of these options would you go with?


1. ALG Milspec trigger + misc lpk + KNS antiroll pins + JP Springs ($130)
2. Spikes enhanced LPK ($200)
3. Misc lpk + Geissele SSA + KNS antiroll pins ($250)

I'm a fan of a Bill Springfield's trigger work: http://www.triggerwork.net/arparts.html

Depending on pull weight preference (2.5, 3, or 4 lbs) it'll run you $89-109 for the trigger group parts. I've got the 2.5 lb group on a target gun and I love it, don't think you can come anywhere close to this without doubling the price.

[Mark C]

...so to add another bench with all the tools might be too much.

I watched some ar15 builds on youtube and it seems easy enough. Hardest part for me will be not losing the springs and pins haha. ...But if I was to save money would it be on the lower?

I've built three AR lowers on my kitchen island, you don't need a bench. If I remember right, the only tools necessary are a few punches, a hammer, an AR-15 armorer's wrench, a screwdriver or hex wrench (depending on grip choice), and a block of wood. The last one only took an hour. You're right about the springs. Not a bad idea to buy an extra detent pin & spring, or two or three. If you have to buy it after your parts kit, paying $8 shipping on a $2 part will drive you mad, but it's not so bad if it's all together.

You won't really save much money building a lower, maybe $100 at best (full disclosure - it's been at least 6 months since I checked prices). What you will get is the opportunity to build exactly what you want. No sense buying a basic lower and then swapping out the grip, stock, trigger, etc. Build it yourself and you're not buying parts you won't use.

If you're in one of the soon-to-be 'ban states', make sure you at least get your stripped lower ASAP.

[cigarmonkel]

I've built three AR lowers on my kitchen island, you don't need a bench. If I remember right, the only tools necessary are a few punches, a hammer, an AR-15 armorer's wrench, a screwdriver or hex wrench (depending on grip choice), and a block of wood. The last one only took an hour. You're right about the springs. Not a bad idea to buy an extra detent pin & spring, or two or three. If you have to buy it after your parts kit, paying $8 shipping on a $2 part will drive you mad, but it's not so bad if it's all together.

You won't really save much money building a lower, maybe $100 at best (full disclosure - it's been at least 6 months since I checked prices). What you will get is the opportunity to build exactly what you want. No sense buying a basic lower and then swapping out the grip, stock, trigger, etc. Build it yourself and you're not buying parts you won't use.

If you're in one of the soon-to-be 'ban states', make sure you at least get your stripped lower ASAP.

Yea the tools are very minimal and I thought you would need a lot more. If I build my own I'm definitely going to build exactly how I want. Some of the premade upper kits though don't look too bad and are exactly what I want. I'm thinking 1-8" turn with a 16" barrel definitely want rails too.

[big pete]

I put this together in about 30min yesterday using a screw driver, adjustable pliers, and a castle nut wrench. Could have finished faster but I was watching the NBA playoffs. This was only the 2nd lower I put together

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/secretaznman58/1C9A1B3A-148F-4733-A39A-9B449F41EA07-787-000000E2C90E52EB.jpg

[Chainsaw13]

Wow, store by me had a LOT of .22 Remington in stock. Picked up 3, 525rnd boxes and 1 50rnd box of Ultramax .223.

[cigarmonkel]

I priced out a rough build and it came out to about 1200. But with any diy build you always figure extra so I'm thinking 13-1500. Which also happens to be how much a m&p 15t would be.. roughly maybe a little less.

[cigarmonkel]

Wow, store by me had a LOT of .22 Remington in stock. Picked up 3, 525rnd boxes and 1 50rnd box of Ultramax .223.

Bob your in the metro area aren't you? We should do a herf'n'shoot sometime!

[Chainsaw13]

Bob your in the metro area aren't you? We should do a herf'n'shoot sometime!

Yep, and I'd be up for it.

[cigarmonkel]

what range(s) do you usually go to? I've been to dexter, firing line in westland and I'm going out to top gun in troy today after work.

edit: linky here http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1829631#post1829631

[Fordman4ever]

Does anyone here own a Glock 23 compact model? I have an opportunity to by one for $400 and would like to know if it is worth that much and how people like it.

[Remo]

Does anyone here own a Glock 23 compact model? I have an opportunity to by one for $400 and would like to know if it is worth that much and how people like it.

Don't have a 23 but have carried a Glock for 10 years, that is about an average price for a used one, if its new jump on it, can't go wrong with Glock for a reliable gun.

[Fordman4ever]

Its fairly new. Probably not even had 300 rounds through it.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Does anyone here own a Glock 23 compact model? I have an opportunity to by one for $400 and would like to know if it is worth that much and how people like it.

If I wanted something in 40, that's a good buy for sure.

[CamoFlogged]

Does anyone here own a Glock 23 compact model? I have an opportunity to by one for $400 and would like to know if it is worth that much and how people like it.

I have a 23. Nice little gun. I did use it for concealed carry until I moved out of Colorado.

My advice, if you haven't done so yet, is head to your gun store and hold a 23 in your hands. Make sure it fits and feels good in your hands, both of them if this going to be your CC. Also, as you know its a .40 which can be a bit snappy in this size but I dig it. I love my Glocks but they fit my hands well. My buddy only shoots Sigs, cause they fit his hands better. Calls my Glocks plastic toys. :sl

Lots of 3rd party accessories and parts galore for Glocks. Easy to work on/clean and they flat shoot everything I have put through them. They still shoot when dirty too. .40 ammo isn't the cheapest but lots of it out there. Easy to reload too.

$400 seems like a good price to me, especially if it comes with a couple of mags, etc. Unless the person has upgraded, it will most likely come with 2 mags and a lock. If you could shoot it prior then that would be best. It's a very solid weapon and I trusted it daily. I like the power of .40 and magazine capacity is nice. You might want to research what generation it is. Not a huge deal but nice to know.

:2

[cigarmonkel]

Just ordered my stripped dpms upper all the ar15 tools and vice thing for the upper/barrel. Also scored 1250 .355 rounds for reloading and 2pounds of winchester wsf powder. It was a good day! :)

Oh yea.. 100 rounds of .223 and 3 ar15 mags too.. damn slopes are all just as slippery as the last!

[Remo]

Just ordered my stripped dpms upper all the ar15 tools and vice thing for the upper/barrel. Also scored 1250 .355 rounds for reloading and 2pounds of winchester wsf powder. It was a good day! :)

Oh yea.. 100 rounds of .223 and 3 ar15 mags too.. damn slopes are all just as slippery as the last!

Very nice, I will work on the Eotech :tu

[cigarmonkel]

Very nice, I will work on the Eotech :tu

I just got all giddy!! Do you know what model it would be? For that price I'm not picky but i am curious.

[Remo]

I just got all giddy!! Do you know what model it would be? For that price I'm not picky but i am curious.

I will find out, I would like a Zombie Stopper!

[cigarmonkel]

I'd be ok with that! Or the hhs ii would be nice too :). Although I think an hhsii for that price is wishful thinking

[Fordman4ever]

I have a 23. Nice little gun. I did use it for concealed carry until I moved out of Colorado.

My advice, if you haven't done so yet, is head to your gun store and hold a 23 in your hands. Make sure it fits and feels good in your hands, both of them if this going to be your CC. Also, as you know its a .40 which can be a bit snappy in this size but I dig it. I love my Glocks but they fit my hands well. My buddy only shoots Sigs, cause they fit his hands better. Calls my Glocks plastic toys. :sl

Lots of 3rd party accessories and parts galore for Glocks. Easy to work on/clean and they flat shoot everything I have put through them. They still shoot when dirty too. .40 ammo isn't the cheapest but lots of it out there. Easy to reload too.

$400 seems like a good price to me, especially if it comes with a couple of mags, etc. Unless the person has upgraded, it will most likely come with 2 mags and a lock. If you could shoot it prior then that would be best. It's a very solid weapon and I trusted it daily. I like the power of .40 and magazine capacity is nice. You might want to research what generation it is. Not a huge deal but nice to know.

:2


Its a 4th gen and it has only had around 250 rounds through it. my buddy is building an AR and needs the money. It comes with 3 mags, cleaning rod, back strap holster, and a hard case. It was purchased brand new last august. I think I'm getting a pretty good deal.

[Remo]

Its a 4th gen and it has only had around 250 rounds through it. my buddy is building an AR and needs the money. It comes with 3 mags, cleaning rod, back strap holster, and a hard case. It was purchased brand new last august. I think I'm getting a pretty good deal.

Ya, buy it :tu

[cigarmonkel]

Hmm a LGS has a stripped dpms lower for 205.. 40 bucks more then online but its in stock... what do yoi guys think?

[Remo]

Hmm a LGS has a stripped dpms lower for 205.. 40 bucks more then online but its in stock... what do yoi guys think?

Depends on how fast you want it built I guess, $40 for instant gratification is ok in my book :r

[cigarmonkel]

Depends on how fast you want it built I guess, $40 for instant gratification is ok in my book :r

:r:r SOLD!

[Remo]

:r:r SOLD!

Damn Slippery Slopes!! :lr

[cigarmonkel]

Tell me about it.. I'm actually over my allowance for the month... but I figure since I made my own allowance rule.. I'm allowed to break it, right?

[Remo]

Tell me about it.. I'm actually over my allowance for the month... but I figure since I made my own allowance rule.. I'm allowed to break it, right?

Of course, although I will completely understand when you tell your wife that and she :gary :r

[cigarmonkel]

Nooo they close at 4 and they are 35 minutes away. I called though and he put it aside for me :). Not married yet and single as of 3 months ago!

[Frank-D-Tank]

Its a 4th gen and it has only had around 250 rounds through it. my buddy is building an AR and needs the money. It comes with 3 mags, cleaning rod, back strap holster, and a hard case. It was purchased brand new last august. I think I'm getting a pretty good deal.

Yea, I'd jump on it. I just bought one about a month ago (3rd Gen), they are hard to find in my area right now. Couldn't find a 4th Gen. New ones are going around mid 500's if IIRC.

[Chainsaw13]

Hmm a LGS has a stripped dpms lower for 205.. 40 bucks more then online but its in stock... what do yoi guys think?

That's actually a good price when you think if the FFL transfer fee you'd have to pay if you order one from online. Minimum would be $15.

Went and shot the sporting clays course today with the new shotgun. Worked like crap. No way my aim is that bad. :D

Actually, it performed really, really good. I'm hooked. Stopped by a local store afterwards and was able to score 10 boxes of shells for $5.50/box.

[cigarmonkel]

Nice! I just found out there's a pistol/archery/black powder and rifle range in my area with upto 600yard lanes and clays too :). I'm not even close to having all my paets for the ar and now I want a shotgun too... I thought the cigar slope was slippery. This is no slope.. more like a cliff.

[Fordman4ever]

Bought it. now to get my CCW
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428652_10152805130735581_1733515524_n.jpg

[Remo]

Nice job Earl :tu

[Fordman4ever]

Thanks. Can't wait to start buying stuff for it.

[Chainsaw13]

Nice! I just found out there's a pistol/archery/black powder and rifle range in my area with upto 600yard lanes and clays too :). I'm not even close to having all my paets for the ar and now I want a shotgun too... I thought the cigar slope was slippery. This is no slope.. more like a cliff.

Wheres that at? I would love to try some long range stuff when I get my tack driver built.

[Chainsaw13]

Nicely done Earl.

[cigarmonkel]

Washtenaw sportsmens club. Its not real clear if you need to be a member or not though. I know the events they run are open to the public.

[cigarmonkel]

First round of brass tumbling ever is done! Is it ok if the marks on the inside of the case at the very bottom where the primer sits are still there? Inside and outside case walls are clean and shiny.

[Remo]

13415

Next piece of furniture for my AR. Eotech Zombie Stopper :tu

[Blueface]

Bought it. now to get my CCW
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428652_10152805130735581_1733515524_n.jpg

Love that gun.
One thing I would like to point out that may or may not be a problem, depending on how you intend to carry.
I am a fan of the Gen 4 as like the subtle changes on my 21 from the Gen 3.
However, when I was shopping for a concealed .40 (changed my mind and ended up with a Shield 9), I was bent on getting the 27 until the salesman asked me to try to conceal it. When I did, I realized what he was trying to point out is how that Gen 4 grip irritates the crap out of your skin as those little grip bumps rub on your skin.
Within seconds, I had an annoying rash.
May or may not be a problem for you but thought I would give you a heads up.
However, regardless, awesome gun and congrats!

[bonjing]

Good point Carlos, I forgot all about the tearing up of skin and shirts. I have a 17 RTF and although I didn't conceal that one, it rubbed holes into my work shirts.

[MrClean]

This was my dads, he gave it to me shortly before passing away. He loved this gun. I just got it back from the gunsmith, I lost a part when I took it apart to clean it. Colt .357 Peacekeeper, going to shoot with it this weekend if the weather is fit.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8557/8714835906_41356a7475_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffcarroll01/8714835906/)
Dad's old revolver (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jeffcarroll01/8714835906/) by Jeff Carroll01 (http://www.flickr.com/people/jeffcarroll01/), on Flickr

[Remo]

Sweet gun Jeff :tu

[Blueface]

Sweet gun indeed.

[Mark C]

First round of brass tumbling ever is done! Is it ok if the marks on the inside of the case at the very bottom where the primer sits are still there? Inside and outside case walls are clean and shiny.

You mean black ash/dirt inside the primer pocket? If you got a reloading kit, it probably came with a primer pocket cleaner. You can use that to make it a bit better. You're really just making sure there's nothing in there that would prevent the primer from seating fully - i.e. fairly significant buildup.

For what it's worth, I clean the pockets for my rifle brass, but not pistol.

[cigarmonkel]

You mean black ash/dirt inside the primer pocket? If you got a reloading kit, it probably came with a primer pocket cleaner. You can use that to make it a bit better. You're really just making sure there's nothing in there that would prevent the primer from seating fully - i.e. fairly significant buildup.

For what it's worth, I clean the pockets for my rifle brass, but not pistol.

Thanks for the info! The brass has only been shot once and I cleaned them with the primers still in to prevent media in the primer pockets. They all look decently clean in there.

[FUEL]

Yea, I'd jump on it. I just bought one about a month ago (3rd Gen), they are hard to find in my area right now. Couldn't find a 4th Gen. New ones are going around mid 500's if IIRC.
Mid $500s?? Wholy crap. Here picked up a 4th gen 23 for $425.

[Blueface]

Mid $500s?? Wholy crap. Here picked up a 4th gen 23 for $425.

For a brand new Gen 4?
Where would that be? That is too good to pass up.
Upwards of $500 even online.

[Boz]

Bought it. now to get my CCW
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/428652_10152805130735581_1733515524_n.jpg

:tu Nice! I love my 23

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n30/Boz_08/105_5422.jpg

[cigarmonkel]

Striiped dpms lower is here! Stripped upper and tools come tomorrow. Now to find a bcg... this will be the hard part :(.

[cigarmonkel]

I fully understand the importance for gun safety amd fully respect it. I triple check my pistol to make sure its unloaded and no mag whenever I handle it then check it again. Until I fire my pistol the chamber safety flag is in it and I don't keep any mags loaded ever until I get to the range.

With that said.. does anyone have that friend who never has fired a gun but feels the need to preach safety to you and reminds you every chance they get even though you never bring a gun around them? I feel like they try to tell me how to safely use my own gun. I appreciate friendly reminders like someone double checking if I have eyes and ears, or asking if my gun is unloaded before we pack up. I guess it makes me feel like a child or a kid being told to never take candy from a stranger.

/endrant

Edit: I don't tale safety for granted but this friend is overly preaching to me about it. He isn't anti gun either and I pride myself on how safe I am with firearms. I've been in the cub scouts and boy scouts and was taught gun safety at a young age. Point of this edit was hoping to avoid people thinking I'm not safe with firearms and/or don't take safety seriously.

[Blueface]

I fully understand the importance for gun safety amd fully respect it. I triple check my pistol to make sure its unloaded and no mag whenever I handle it then check it again. Until I fire my pistol the chamber safety flag is in it and I don't keep any mags loaded ever until I get to the range.

With that said.. does anyone have that friend who never has fired a gun but feels the need to preach safety to you and reminds you every chance they get even though you never bring a gun around them? I feel like they try to tell me how to safely use my own gun. I appreciate friendly reminders like someone double checking if I have eyes and ears, or asking if my gun is unloaded before we pack up. I guess it makes me feel like a child or a kid being told to never take candy from a stranger.

/endrant

Edit: I don't tale safety for granted but this friend is overly preaching to me about it. He isn't anti gun either and I pride myself on how safe I am with firearms. I've been in the cub scouts and boy scouts and was taught gun safety at a young age. Point of this edit was hoping to avoid people thinking I'm not safe with firearms and/or don't take safety seriously.

Been there.
I responded by saying thanks, and then pointed out how I have yet to shoot myself accidentally or anyone else for that matter. Guns are always treated as if loaded. All guns are kept secured. Nothing to see here folks. :D

[bonjing]

To me it never hurts to be extra cautious. Like the old saying goes, it's not a matter of if you have an ND/AD but when.

I've seen a gun go through three hands and still have the final guy have a ND.

[Chainsaw13]

Striiped dpms lower is here! Stripped upper and tools come tomorrow. Now to find a bcg... this will be the hard part :(.

Look on AR15.com. Plenty to be had in the Equipment Exchange. Just be very, very mindful of the rules. They take "welching" seriously. If you say you are going to buy something, you better or you'll be site banned.

[Col. Kurtz]

Striiped dpms lower is here! Stripped upper and tools come tomorrow. Now to find a bcg... this will be the hard part :(.

Slick gun deals has several showing.

[emopunker2004]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/8719682986_416f507f23.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8719682986/)
IMG952149_zps40a12f96 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8719682986/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[cigarmonkel]

Haha that shirt is awesome! Ill check out slick guns I use them for ammo and ill check out ar15 too thanks guys!

[cigarmonkel]

Dpms forward assist installed in the dpms upper! I'm liking this makig my own ar thing :)

[hammondc]

Nice Glock, Fordman. I have a G26 that I carry in my car. Shoots ev-er-y-thing that I put through it. I bought it used and after a quick wipe down, loaded at least 4 different types of ammo. We through 200+ rounds. Not a single hiccup. They are ugly as homemade sin and not terribly comfortable to hold, but they always go bang.

[0002S]

*whisper* pew *whisper* pew *whisper* pew

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/CaseOWA1_zpsaac3defe.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/ARACC300blk_zps2007e1b8.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/AR556AAC_zps80307db2.jpg

http://www.stonewallarms.com/images/product_pages/advanced_armament_monkeys.jpg

[Blueface]

Sweet!

[Lockspur]

*whisper* pew *whisper* pew *whisper* pew

Tactical Sex

:dr :dr :dr :dr

[bonjing]

*whisper* pew *whisper* pew *whisper* pew
]

:dr do want! I am green with envy!

[hammondc]

Good god man, that's a thing of beauty

[0002S]

Good god man, that's a thing of beauty

No, this is a thing of beauty

Walk softly and carry a big stick

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/ThingofBeauty_zps20212c84.jpg

[hammondc]

Nice. AK?

[0002S]

Nice. AK?

Krinkov

[cigarmonkel]

Just ordered my lee turret press and a lee 9mm 4set of dies. I've been reading my hornady 9th edition reloading book as well as doing my research on the forums for loads. Got my winchester wsf, cci #500 primers and hornady 124gr bullets and about 450 polished and cleaned cases!

Also got my dpms upper and lower and have my forward assist installed. Next on the list is a lower parts kit and stock :).

[SvilleKid]

Latest "find":

S&W SD9 VE

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc403/svillekid/B627FED6-D6EB-45CE-AFEB-DB0C2B6897A2-4552-00000476E2ED4C9A_zpsda3d56cd.jpg

Home too late to run rounds thru it. Maybe tomorrow.

[Blueface]

Haven't shot that one.
Have wondered how it compares to my Sigma.
Good guns for the money.
Let me know if you have shot a Sigma and how it compares.

[SvilleKid]

Haven't shot that one.
Have wondered how it compares to my Sigma.
Good guns for the money.
Let me know if you have shot a Sigma and how it compares.

Carlos..... I have NOT shot the Sig. Last 9mm I've shot was the new Ruger sub-compact I got for my wife late last year. My daughter and her beau have matching S&W .40 and .22's. I've mainly been shooting an older Browning .380 and an undercover Charter Arms .38 lately. Really only grabbed the 9 mm because it was a good deal, from an individual I've known for years. I picked up half a dozen boxes of target ammo and a nylon holster for it today (holster that has place for the extra clip). Have to look at a couple of houses this afternoon, so it'll be tomorrow before I get to run some shots thru it. I do know that the gun gets good reviews (from what I've read), so I expect it to preform well. I know the .22 and the .40 of my daughter and her boyfriend are very accurate shooters.

[Blueface]

Looks so similar in the grip to the Sigma that I first thought it replaced it.
Enjoy in good health.

[bonjing]

Carlos I thought they did replace the Sigma? Something about a hubub with Glock. Someone told me that you could actually replace the Sigma slide with a glock slide and it would work.

I could be very well mistaken though.

[SvilleKid]

Carlos I thought they did replace the Sigma? Something about a hubub with Glock. Someone told me that you could actually replace the Sigma slide with a glock slide and it would work.

I could be very well mistaken though.

Don't know about the slide swap. The Sigma series had S&W in a lawsuit they had to settle for patent infringement. And several performance issues. The SD9 line is supposed to be a gun between the Sigma and the M&P in quality, and is supposed to have taken care of the problems the Sigma's had. So far, everything I've read on the SD line shows this was accomplished I read a lot of reviews with 2500 or more rounds run thru the SD9s without any jams or other problems. They do look similar to the Sigma on the grip, Carlos!

[spectrrr]

Just saw a couple local police on patrol (2 blocks from my house mind you), both sporting 33rd mags sticking out of their holstered Glock 17's. Thing is, those mags weren't in there for show or braggin rights....

[Brian D.]

Just saw a couple local police on patrol (2 blocks from my house mind you), both sporting 33rd mags sticking out of their holstered Glock 17's. Thing is, those mags weren't in there for show or braggin rights....

Hey, how's it going? You sure those weren't Glock Model 18s in those holsters, Francis?

In any event I can't imagine those magazines not getting in the way during a day's carry...sitting down must be fun for those LEO's, for one thing.

[Chainsaw13]

Forgot to mention, scored 15 Gen 3 PMags this week for $15/ea. 5 for me, 10 for a friend.

[Blueface]

Forgot to mention, scored 15 Gen 3 PMags this week for $15/ea. 5 for me, 10 for a friend.

Yeah, they are now popping up everywhere for normal price.
Would hate to be one of those that paid nearly $100 for one.

[Remo]

13456

13457

13458

Just ordered my new furniture. Offset light mount, new vertical forend grip and Eotech XPS2!

[Chainsaw13]

Yeah, they are now popping up everywhere for normal price.
Would hate to be one of those that paid nearly $100 for one.

Yep. I overpaid one a few just to make sure I was able to get some when it all went down. But nothing too outrageous. Now I gotta remember to cancel my order from DSG for 10 more.

[Digs]

Just saw a couple local police on patrol (2 blocks from my house mind you), both sporting 33rd mags sticking out of their holstered Glock 17's. Thing is, those mags weren't in there for show or braggin rights....

Francis maybe they were G18's lol

[bonjing]

Just a heads up guys, there is Geissele SSA trigger up for the troop support auction. Bid high and bid often to help those that send much needed enjoyment to our guys and gals overseas!!! :banger

[Lockspur]

Two of my 1911's are almost ready to come home from the custom shop. Test firing today. Giggity!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8279/8774645126_bfefc34485_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36299659@N07/8774645126/)
Image 3 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/36299659@N07/8774645126/) by lockspur74 (http://www.flickr.com/people/36299659@N07/), on Flickr

[Fordman4ever]

Wow, those look great.

[357]

Hey, how's it going? You sure those weren't Glock Model 18s in those holsters, Francis?

In any event I can't imagine those magazines not getting in the way during a day's carry...sitting down must be fun for those LEO's, for one thing.

I agree. Those had to by Glock 18s.

[Steelerfanatic]

The UPS man just delivered a box from Brownells. Completely forgot about an order for pmags in December. Lol. Can't beat 13 bucks each though!

[spectrrr]

Hey, how's it going? You sure those weren't Glock Model 18s in those holsters, Francis?

In any event I can't imagine those magazines not getting in the way during a day's carry...sitting down must be fun for those LEO's, for one thing.

Based on what I have seen, I'm reasonably certain they were 17's... 18's are a little too nice for a beat cop about here, not sure they could get one if they wanted to. I think automatics are restricted to the army and national guard. (and here, the national guard takes an active role in policing things on a daily basis)

looked like the gun was sitting forward far enough that sitting wouldn't be too much of a problem... but I'm sure it still gets in the way a bit.

[0002S]

Man Cave rebuild (thanks goes out to black coral for the heaving lifting and level eye)

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/MC1_zpsbd46f06f.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/MC2_zps520f964e.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/MC3_zps8123f0e0.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/IMG_1105_zpsadcc1c41.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/IMG_1106_zps103dc8f4.jpg

[Lockspur]

Hmmmm. The Man Cave is missing...something. Hmmmm.

[0002S]

Hmmmm. The Man Cave is missing...something. Hmmmm.

No respectable Man Cave would be without them. They're in their house as well.

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Cigar%20Photos/null_zpsfee70f0f.jpg

[Lockspur]

Well, yeah. Didn't doubt that for a second.

I was thinking...it's missing "Inspiration" (http://lockspur.com/files/mancave2.jpg). (Minor NSFW)

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

I'm getting some jams with my gen 3 Glock 20sf. Took this pic today at the range. Failure to feed. Anyone have any ideas what's going on? I'm thinking it could be the stock glock spring, which is only 17 pound. I think most guys recommend getting a 22 pound for the 10mm. I'm just not sure what it is. I get about 3 jams out of ever 75 rounds, I don't like this at all. Someone help:r
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=938&pictureid=7855

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

By the way, the only issues I'm having are failure to feed. No extraction problems or stove pipes. Maybe this can help narrow the scope of my issue down.

[Blueface]

Only problems like this I have ever had with any of my guns has been with Magtech ammo.
What ammo are you using?

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Only problems like this I have ever had with any of my guns has been with Magtech ammo.
What ammo are you using?

Underwood 180 grain FMJ.

[0002S]

I'm getting some jams with my gen 3 Glock 20sf. Took this pic today at the range. Failure to feed. Anyone have any ideas what's going on? I'm thinking it could be the stock glock spring, which is only 17 pound. I think most guys recommend getting a 22 pound for the 10mm. I'm just not sure what it is. I get about 3 jams out of ever 75 rounds, I don't like this at all. Someone help:r
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=938&pictureid=7855

Try different ammo/magazines before you change springs.

[Blueface]

Try different ammo/magazines before you change springs.

I agree.
The few times I have experienced this it has been ammo related.

[Lockspur]

Try different ammo/magazines before you change springs.

And mark your mags numerically. Easier to keep track of failures.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Thanks guys. I'll test my mags and mark the mags with failures next time. Will be testing new ammo too

[Lockspur]

Thanks guys. I'll test my mags and mark the mags with failures next time. Will be testing new ammo too

Actually, just mark them 1, 2, 3, etc...

REALLY becomes helpful when you've got more than 10 mags. For different firearms. In different calibers. :D

[cigarmonkel]

So I was at the range the other day teaching my friend how to properly shoot a handgun. She has shot before but never was taught proper grip, stance ect.. so she caught a couple shells to the face and one down the shirt but took em like a champ and kept shooting. I as well got one or two to the forehead but I'm used to it by now.. well I wasn't expected or used to what was about to happen. So I was trying to show off and show her how awesome my grouping was and I was super focused on my front site and trigger pull.. slowly pulling the trigger back then I noticed something didn't feel right. As I left a round down range the brass managed to find its way between my eyes and my glasses. Now my glasses wrap around and since I'm asian my nose isn't that pronounced meaning.. it was stuck in there. I managed to keep the gun down range and with my off hand lift my glasses so it could drop out. At least it didn't somehow find its way down my pants!

[bonjing]

Haha, don't feel bad. I've had the same thing happen to me twice. The first was my left eye got a nice blister from that one. A couple of weeks later I got one on my right eye and another blister.

By the way brass to face and in the shirt should be pretty uncommon from your own gun unless there is a wall next to you. What kind of pistol are you shooting?

[cigarmonkel]

M&P 9mm it ejects fine I've had a couple but its only got about 400 rounds through it and there was a wall (indoor range)

[bonjing]

Cool beans. I've had that brass to face problem with my newer glock 19. Changed out the extractor and ejector and everything runs smoothly.

[Remo]

Nothing worse than rifle range day, 15 guys shooting AR's......I always try to shoot on the far left of the line, I hate catching hot brass on my neck, eye, down the shirt when trying to qualify!!

[SNKBYT]

my newest addition to the family...........556 Zombie Killer from the arms room located in Orlando FL
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/MMHIII/Zombie/IMG_0070.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/CSMMH07/media/MMHIII/Zombie/IMG_0070.jpg.html)
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/MMHIII/Zombie/IMG_0071JPG2.jpg (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/CSMMH07/media/MMHIII/Zombie/IMG_0071JPG2.jpg.html)

[Remo]

Sweet grab Alex!!!

[cigarmonkel]

The AR build so far and the M&P 9mm

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130507_121748_zps9586a56e.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130522_185347_zps776ef8e2.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130522_210505_zpsed1a55af.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130516_212950_zpsc8c1531c.jpg

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130508_190429_zps8c94678a.jpg

[Blueface]

Sweet Alex. Congrats!
Tell us about it.
Lower? Upper? Etc.

[cigarmonkel]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/mp_zpsd1bc0db5.jpg

[SNKBYT]

Sweet Alex. Congrats!
Tell us about it.
Lower? Upper? Etc.

https://armsroom.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=65_67&product_id=88

Rifle Specifications
spike's tactical lower
Zombie Engraved Logo with color fill
"LIVE - DEAD - UNDEAD" selector designations
Laser Etched Ejection Port Door
16" 4150 Chrome-Moly Barrel
5.56mm, M4 Cut, 1:7 Twist
Carbine Length Gas System
M16 Bolt Carrier Group
OD or BLK Quad Rail, Front and Rear Sights, Pistol Grip and Magazine
Phantom Flash Hider
Mil-Spec Lower & Upper Parts
Rogers Super-Stoc
Soft Case (Only Black or ACU available)

[cigarmonkel]

Spikes is an awesome company! I wish their parts weren't so hard to find otherwise there would be more spikes on my build. Are your take down pins the same color as your grip?

[Lockspur]

Spikes is an awesome company! I wish their parts weren't so hard to find otherwise there would be more spikes on my build. Are your take down pins the same color as your grip?

My AR was an all Spike's/Magpul build. Can't wait to do another one. :D

[cigarmonkel]

My AR was an all Spike's/Magpul build. Can't wait to do another one. :D

Nice! I've got a dmps upper and lower, bcm bcg and a cmmg lpk which seems to be very similiar to bcm and spikes lpk from what everyone is saying. I'll end up with a bcm 16" barrel magpul furniture and probably a daniel defense free float rail.

[Remo]

13482

Added a new Archangel shorty vertical foregrip and a new offset light mount that I can hit with my thumb while using the vertical grip. My new Eotech optic is ordered :wo

[Remo]

13483

Offset mount

[cigarmonkel]

13483

Offset mount

I love the look of the offset mounts!

[Remo]

I love the look of the offset mounts!

The function is even better, a buddy showed me his at work a few weeks ago and it was so nice to have your light button right at your thumb :tu

[cigarmonkel]

The function is even better, a buddy showed me his at work a few weeks ago and it was so nice to have your light button right at your thumb :tu

Hmm good looks plus better function? Sold! You should go into sales seeing as my ar build is because of you! :r

[Steelerfanatic]

Picked up a used pmr30 with three mags in trade the other day. Very fun gun to shoot!

[bonjing]

Nice, I wish those were legal in CA. 30 rounds of 22 mag just seem like a whole lot of fun!

How easy are the mags to load? I don't see a notch or button to thumb down. I hated loading my CMMG 22-AR mags because after loading the 10th mag or so my thumbs were just killing me.

[Steelerfanatic]

Nice, I wish those were legal in CA. 30 rounds of 22 mag just seem like a whole lot of fun!

How easy are the mags to load? I don't see a notch or button to thumb down. I hated loading my CMMG 22-AR mags because after loading the 10th mag or so my thumbs were just killing me.

After the 20th round it is a pain. It's worth it though. Fun as hell to shoot

[cigarmonkel]

Anyone know of any local shops that have FDE windowed pmag 30 round mags that would be willing to ship?

[Blueface]

Anyone know of any local shops that have FDE windowed pmag 30 round mags that would be willing to ship?

Haven't seen those in a while. Black only, although Earth did show up the other day at Palmetto.

[cigarmonkel]

Haven't seen those in a while. Black only, although Earth did show up the other day at Palmetto.

Noo oh well I've got a month before my ar is fully complete anyways.

[Steelerfanatic]

Thanks to this thread I ordered a PJ IWB holster for my Shield, a mag clip for my Shield and a PJ Pocket carry holster for my P238. Can't wait to get them.


Got these in today and love them! Took about 10 weeks but well worth the wait. Thanks for the recommendation guys.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t159/beachcougar/43f30164aa7d4effe533a4e4dec9721a_zps8b3969ce.jpg

[cigarmonkel]

Got these in today and love them! Took about 10 weeks but well worth the wait. Thanks for the recommendation guys.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t159/beachcougar/43f30164aa7d4effe533a4e4dec9721a_zps8b3969ce.jpg

How do you like your shield? I've heard mixed things about them

[Steelerfanatic]

I love mine. Besides the PMR 30, it's my favorite pistol to shoot. Never had an issue yet.

[Blueface]

How do you like your shield? I've heard mixed things about them

Surprised as all reviews I have read, including gun mags rave about it.
I have th 9mm and absolutely love it as my favorite gun, specially for concealed carry.
Highly recommend it.

Never had an issue yet.

Same here.

[cigarmonkel]

Surprised as all reviews I have read, including gun mags rave about it.
I have th 9mm and absolutely love it as my favorite gun, specially for concealed carry.
Highly recommend it.



Same here.

I could be thinking of the m&p c but I thought I saw something on the m&p forums about a compact that hassome issues I can't remember the specifics though. Either way I love my m&p and would not hesitate to pick up more s&w products

[Blueface]

I could be thinking of the m&p c but I thought I saw something on the m&p forums about a compact that hassome issues I can't remember the specifics though. Either way I love my m&p and would not hesitate to pick up more s&w products

Ahhh......I think you are referring to the mag issues on the .40 when they first came out.
The mag would accidentally drop on a specific production series identified.
That has since been resolved.
S&W fixed the problematic ones.
The 9 mm has been flawless since introduction.

[0002S]

TOO BAD I CAN'T EMBED VIDEOS......? but enjoy them if you want to follow the Youtube links


I finally received powder (I've had on order forever...THANKS Obama) slow enough to load up some 220 gr SMK subsonic loads in the 300 Blackout.

I build (assembled, pieced together, hobbled...what ever) a new SBR specifically to be used with a AAC Cyclone 7.62 suppressor. (if interested details on rifle below)

The issue is the 300 Blackout brass. I have some actual 300 Blackout brass, but I don't want to waste/damage it on load development. The only solution (cause there isn't any to be found....THANKS again Obama) is to convert .223/5.56 brass to 300 Blackout brass.

I put together a short video showing the steps to make the 300 Blackout brass and the simple reloading steps for making 220 gr SMK 300 Blackout rounds. I know there are MANY other steps, tricks, blah blah blah....but this was meant to be an under 2 minute simple video.

I will tell you that the tricky part it to get the CL and OAL to meet the specification of the rifle chamber so the bolt will close. Since ever chamber is slightly different I had to destroy 1/2 dozen cases and bullets to get it perfect for my rifle. 220 gr bullets take up a lot of case capacity.

Basic conversion to 300 Blackout video and simple reloading steps for the 300 Blackout.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFJzfsuQeRY


The shakedown run had no issues and ALL subsonic loads cycled the bolt, with suppressor. No FTF or FTE and they held the bolt open on last round. The subsonic load DID NOT cycle the bolt without the suppressor (expected this). The best part is that there was no POI shift with/without suppressor and removing/reinstalling suppressor.


300 Blackout test video. Straight video with no alterations shot with iPhone 5. (sorry not the best but will give you an idea of sound at muzzle)

Load used: (specific to my rifle use at your own risk)
10.7 gr 5744
220 gr SMK
1.3520 CL
2.1165 OAL
CCI #41

*load is remarkable quiet (no hearing protection needed) and extremely accurate. First shot is slightly louder that 2nd..3rd...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZsV2RxLbuA



Rifle used: (this was build from the ground up, by me to spec)

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/ARACC300blk_zps2007e1b8.jpg

Federal Requirements: (2 NFA tax stamps)
GTO Billet lower (registered)
Spike's upper
DD Omega 7" lite rail
8.2" Noveske barrel 300 BLK
Timney 3.5 lb trigger
YM M-16 BCG
Bravo CH
Bravo buffer/tube/spring
Assorted Magpul
Troy BUIS
Bobro QD mount
Trijicon AccuPoint 1-4 30mm
AAC Cyclone 7.62 suppressor (registered)


Next up I tested 62 gr SS109 5.56 and 60 gr Aguila SSS subsonic 22lr through another AR-15 SBR with a AAC Ranger 2 5.56 suppressor. (rifle specs listed below if your're interested. Again, I am looking to see if there is any POI shift and what the accuracy is w/without the suppressor. No issues with the rifle's functioning with either load.

The video is not altered and was shot with iPhone5 (again, sorry not the best platform for shooting this type of video....but you get the idea)



5.56 test (quiet enough to shoot without hearing protection)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRaXoWDad8



22lr test (you could shoot this indoors with no hearing protection)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jORxOkjCM4s



Rifle used: (this was build from the ground up, by me to spec)

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/AR556AAC_zps80307db2.jpg

Federal Requirements: (2 NFA tax stamps)
GTO Billet lower (registered)
Vltor VLS upper
10.5" Noveske barrel 5.56
Timney 3.5 lb trigger
Bravo BCG
Bravo CH
Bravo buffer/tube/spring
Assorted Magpul
Troy BUIS
LaRue QD mount
Trijicon ACOG 1.6
AAC Ranger 2 5.56 suppressor (registered)

[Remo]

Sweet guns and vidoes Shawn :tu

[cigarmonkel]

Got my eotech in today!! Ill post some pics once my phone has enough charge to use the camera.

[cigarmonkel]

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130605_225810_zps77ee7b46.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130605_225651_zps28b95901.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130605_225601_zps01c77065.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130605_225534_zps476424c0.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh231/cigarmonkel/20130605_225430_zps119db4e1.jpg

[big pete]

Finally done with the pistol build!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/secretaznman58/78DD8FD6-E3F0-4727-B084-F4EC3D613DF4-11108-00000E87604A976B.jpg

[0002S]

Nice Pete

[bonjing]

Finally done with the pistol build!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/secretaznman58/78DD8FD6-E3F0-4727-B084-F4EC3D613DF4-11108-00000E87604A976B.jpg

Nice set up Pete! If you ever get a chance to shoot that thing at night do it! The pig is freakin cool at night!

[Blueface]

Finally done with the pistol build!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/secretaznman58/78DD8FD6-E3F0-4727-B084-F4EC3D613DF4-11108-00000E87604A976B.jpg

Nice.
Me want one.
Maybe since doo doo has slowed down and lowers are back to normal range, may order one for this.

[Remo]

:wo all these are looking awesome!!!!

[big pete]

Thanks guys


Nice set up Pete! If you ever get a chance to shoot that thing at night do it! The pig is freakin cool at night!
That's one thing I want to do with this thing. Seen pics and videos and it looks cool. You can shoot it at the herf this weekend

[mjdx88]

Surprised as all reviews I have read, including gun mags rave about it.
I have the 9mm and absolutely love it as my favorite gun, specially for concealed carry.
Highly recommend it.



Same here.

Do you guys have any other pics the of the 9mm shield? I just came across it in my search for the compact. Im having a hard time finding places that have these in stock let alone getting the chance to see one. I finally got my two permits and I would like to use them before they expire..

I have been looking at the Ruger LCR .38 which I had the opportunity to shoot this past weekend and I loved it, but I'm not a 100% sold on having it as a back up. I was also looking at the SA xdm 9 or xds 9 compact. Still kinda new to firearms but I am looking for personal defense and something I can grow into. Since NJ is a huge PITA to purchase handguns, I would like to do it right.

Already planning on buying an SA 1911 .45 Loaded or might jump up to the Operator.

[Blueface]

Here you go.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/D3815441-1813-471F-A587-1CFC2EA3A7F1-7200-000003036910F12C.jpg

[Blueface]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/fa3542c1.jpg

[Blueface]

I am so itching to buy something, anything!

[Blueface]

Favorite gun in favorite holster.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/E08F104B-8FBF-4745-9FC9-CD60DC4DBD18-7200-000003ACEC56ECB6.jpg

[Blueface]

Do you guys have any other pics the of the 9mm shield? I just came across it in my search for the compact. Im having a hard time finding places that have these in stock let alone getting the chance to see one. I finally got my two permits and I would like to use them before they expire..

I have been looking at the Ruger LCR .38 which I had the opportunity to shoot this past weekend and I loved it, but I'm not a 100% sold on having it as a back up. I was also looking at the SA xdm 9 or xds 9 compact. Still kinda new to firearms but I am looking for personal defense and something I can grow into.

All of the ones you mention were on my list. Also looked at Glock 26/27, Baretta PX4 and quite a few others.
When I held that Shield in my hand, it was a love made in heaven. When I fired it, we consummated the relationship. (Still on honeymoon):r
The Shield is reliable, thin (unlike the others listed here), reasonably priced but just hard as heck to find. They seem to be popping up more often now.

[0002S]

My penultimate AR build

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/92f6ed1bc0b27741a463d675fb9d63d4_zps8f3a679f.jpg

5.56 18" 1-7 twist DD barrel, GTO billet lower, AR15.com billet upper, SLR adjustable gas block, Noveske NSR 16.7" rail, AAC Ranger II can, Timney 3.5 trigger, Young NM BCG, BMC charging handle & mil spec car tube, assorted Magpul, Leupold 4.5x15 TT scope on Bobro mount.


*one more to go and it's going to be 6.5 Grendal

[Blueface]

Sweet!

[Steve]

OMG...I'm in shock. WallyWorld actually had some ammo on their shelves (that I could use) for a change.

That is all...

[Lockspur]

Do you guys have any other pics the of the 9mm shield? I just came across it in my search for the compact. Im having a hard time finding places that have these in stock let alone getting the chance to see one. I finally got my two permits and I would like to use them before they expire..

I have been looking at the Ruger LCR .38 which I had the opportunity to shoot this past weekend and I loved it, but I'm not a 100% sold on having it as a back up. I was also looking at the SA xdm 9 or xds 9 compact. Still kinda new to firearms but I am looking for personal defense and something I can grow into. Since NJ is a huge PITA to purchase handguns, I would like to do it right.

Already planning on buying an SA 1911 .45 Loaded or might jump up to the Operator.Go to a range that will let you rent guns. Try as many as you can. See what you like and go from there.

[Steve]

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc%205/Why-So-Serious.jpg

[cigarmonkel]

Makes me wanna sharpy my new ar build cause that's hilarious... must resist!

[mjdx88]

Blueface- Thanks for the pics. Yeah the shield being thin is what is drawing me to it along with I believe the xds. I'm just hoping they arent too thin, since I have fairly large hands. Might be taking a trip to PA next weekend to Cabela's


Go to a range that will let you rent guns. Try as many as you can. See what you like and go from there.

NJ only has a few public ranges, there are none in my area. The closest ranges are in PA which are about 40-45 mins away which is fine by me. Every time I have been to the range I have rented something new. As of lately though no one seems to have 9mm, or .380 ammo so no one can rent any of of those guns. I'm hoping that will be coming around soon as it seems that 9mm is coming back in stock.

[Steve]

Sexy...

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc%205/M14%20Scout%20Tactical.jpg

[Remo]

Went and qualified on my rifle today, missed 100 by a hair, iron sights...need my new optic :banger

[Remo]

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc%205/Why-So-Serious.jpg

Awesome!!!!!

[Bax]

Finished milling out my 80% billet lower. Turned out nice. I was considering some different finishes, but I might just give it a good buff and clear coat it. I really dig the machined finish.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/bauxyeux/DSC_0413_zps4cd85b6d.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/bauxyeux/media/DSC_0413_zps4cd85b6d.jpg.html)

[big pete]

Sweet lower! Who makes that?

[Chainsaw13]

For shipping conf on a new upper from RRA. 20" varmint style. Now to figure out how to pay for it.

[Blueface]

For shipping conf on a new upper from RRA. 20" varmint style. Now to figure out how to pay for it.

How long did the order take?
May get that or the new R3 for my RRA lower build.

[Bax]

Sweet lower! Who makes that?

My old neighbor back in MD. He runs a CNC shop, mostly military and high end racing stuff. Business has been a little slow so he wanted to try his hand at this. If you like more info, PM me.

[Chainsaw13]

How long did the order take?
May get that or the new R3 for my RRA lower build.

End of January, so nearly 5 months.

[safariguy]

Don't mean to brag, but.. picked up 500 rounds of 9mm for 24 cents per round. OK I do mean to brag :) It's steel casings but it's good enough for practice. Thanks Gunbot!

[Steve]

Don't mean to brag, but.. picked up 500 rounds of 9mm for 24 cents per round. OK I do mean to brag :) It's steel casings but it's good enough for practice. Thanks Gunbot!

:gn

[Steve]

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc%205/Family.jpg

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc%205/Gun%20Scare%202013.jpg

[mjdx88]

Purchased my S&W 9mm Shield on Sunday....now waiting for the transfer.....

[bonjing]

You guys have a waiting period too?

[smokeybear]

13637Oh yeah!

[bonjing]

You'll shoot your eye out kid :r

[Blueface]

Purchased my S&W 9mm Shield on Sunday....now waiting for the transfer.....

You guys have a waiting period too?

One more reason for loving FL.
With my CCW, I can take it home almost as UPS is dropping it off at my FFL.

[mjdx88]

You guys have a waiting period too?

No waiting period. Just need to get my FFL in order and then have it shipped.

Thanks again for all the pics Blueface! Next order besides some ammo is one of those PJs Holsters.

[Blueface]

Next order besides some ammo is one of those PJs Holsters.

You will love it.
I have tried both the J loop and the over the belt loop and seem to like the over the belt better.
Best is the one you have to put belt throu it but no one you can readily put in and out of concealment/pants. It's with you until you unbuckle your belt.

[emopunker2004]

Well look what I picked up today plus 400rds of 7.62x39.....



http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2892/9194970036_583bc157dd_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Blueface]

What brand AK?

[emopunker2004]

It's a plain Jane century wasr. All I could really float right now. Bought it local. Has none of the issues than arise from time to time with the brand. No sight base cant and the mags fit pretty well.

[safariguy]

I just want to openly thank Mark C and lostark374 for posting the links to slickguns and gunbot, respectively. I have spent the last three months checking those sights constantly. I picked up a lot of ammo at reasonable prices thanks to gunbot. And yesterday (drumroll please) I orderd my first AR lower receiver complete kit! Not my first AR, mind you, but my first project build. I actually have some extra uppers that I've been swapping around on the same lower but I want to have complete rifles eventually.

It looks reasonably straight forward to assemble one from what I've been able to research. Any tips or suggestions would be welcome though. I'll post pictures when I get it and hopefully as the build progresses.

[Remo]

Well look what I picked up today plus 400rds of 7.62x39.....



http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2892/9194970036_583bc157dd_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

Justin got a Chopper.......Gangsta :r

[emopunker2004]

She shoots great!

[bonjing]

Justin got a Chopper.......Gangsta :r

Hahaha first time I heard the term choppa I was like wtf. That and lemon squeez and deuce deuce peker.

[Mark C]

I just want to openly thank Mark C and lostark374 for posting the links to slickguns and gunbot, respectively.

Any tips or suggestions would be welcome though. I'll post pictures when I get it and hopefully as the build progresses.


You're welcome! I've got more ammo than time to shoot, happy to share the links :)

I found this link (http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/) useful for building the lower.

Some tips:

Be careful not to scratch the finish. Installing the bolt catch assembly seems to be the highest risk of a scratch. Try taping up the side of the lower and/or your tools to prevent that, and go slow.

The front pivot pin install is a royal pain because the detent pin has a habit of launching itself into oblivion. There are lots of different ways to do it without the fancy tool shown in the link above, I used a razor blade to hold it down while I slid the pivot pin in place. Watch some videos for this step to get the idea. Also try doing the work with the lower, your hands, and tools all inside a large clear plastic bag, that way WHEN the pin launches itself, it's captured in the bag. That trick saved me a lot of four letter words at least twice.



The rest is a piece of cake.

[emopunker2004]

Here's what we did today. Redneck gun club.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3782/9202697030_c907a027f6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9202697030/)
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[emopunker2004]

Finally cut the weld off that held the stupid muzzle nut on the ak. Ordered up a tapco muzzle brake for it.

[Remo]

Someone has some SuperSwamper Mudder Boggers!! :tu

[Steve]

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc%205/Hi%20Capacity.jpg

[emopunker2004]

Is that yours Steve? Keltec?

[Steve]

Due to current climate, I can neither confirm nor deny...

:D

[dijit]

Here's what we did today. Redneck gun club.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3782/9202697030_c907a027f6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9202697030/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9202697030/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

Looks like a fun day! Love the lower on the AR and is that a Mosin Nagant?

[emopunker2004]

Looks like a fun day! Love the lower on the AR and is that a Mosin Nagant?

Thnks. It's my wife's AR. I colored the skull pink myself. And yes its a mosin

[lilcgrsmkr]

Here's what we did today. Redneck gun club.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3782/9202697030_c907a027f6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9202697030/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9202697030/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

kool:)

[emopunker2004]

Just picked up a pair of black mechanix covert gloves to shoot with. That ak can get a lil hot at the front of the handguards

[emopunker2004]

Well look what I picked up today plus 400rds of 7.62x39.....



http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2892/9194970036_583bc157dd_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

Putting a stain and oil coat on the shitty wood that comes with the WASR.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5468/9366765496_30c33ba9be_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9366765496/)
IMG_6408 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9366765496/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7369/9366773842_b87304746b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9366773842/)
IMG_6407 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9366773842/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Blueface]

Looks good.

I am so itching to buy something but can't.
Promised wife we would focus on house payments left.
Goo thing is come January, lots of extra cash to buy guns will be freed up instead of going to mortgage.
I see purchasing lunacy in my future.
Thinking of investing in old Colts revolvers.

[emopunker2004]

Carlos, word is that the ATF is considering going to over the counter NFA tax stamps. That would be awesome. It makes since. They can pull in more money faster and the gun shops are already set up to do NICS checks

[dijit]

Carlos, word is that the ATF is considering going to over the counter NFA tax stamps. That would be awesome. It makes since. They can pull in more money faster and the gun shops are already set up to do NICS checks

on site NFA checks? That would kick ass!

[emopunker2004]

on site NFA checks? That would kick ass!

Indeed it would. It would make the ATF more money too. And let's face it, that's all the NFA is about.

[emopunker2004]

Dremeled the weld holding the muzzle nut on. My tapco slot brake will arrive monday to replace it. Hoping to have the rifle back together by Tuesday.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Zastava make good ak's?

[Robulous78]

So I need some advice...

It wouldn't be my first firearm but My Pop's has said to pick out an "affordable" gun I like and he'd see about getting it for me for x-mas...

What handguns would you suggest? If I do get something Semi-auto I would like it to have a rail as none of my others do...

What lower is "affordable" yet well constructed, in case I decide to have him get me a lower and do my own build?

How much would a decent AR-15 build run after the lower?

Thanks for your answers fellas...

[emopunker2004]

Zastava make good ak's?

They are pretty good. They're a step above the WASR's. Waffen Works also makes a good product. Arsenal is top of the line for AKs

[emopunker2004]

So I need some advice...

It wouldn't be my first firearm but My Pop's has said to pick out an "affordable" gun I like and he'd see about getting it for me for x-mas...

What handguns would you suggest? If I do get something Semi-auto I would like it to have a rail as none of my others do...

What lower is "affordable" yet well constructed, in case I decide to have him get me a lower and do my own build?

How much would a decent AR-15 build run after the lower?

Thanks for your answers fellas...

Define afforable? For a good affordable gun I'd look into Glock and S&W M&P line and Springfield XD line.

Lower, if you want a stripped lower then Palmetto State Armory makes a good one for about $100 as well as Spikes Tactical. If you want to build a bare bones m4 style AR15 you can expect to pay roughly 400-500 for the complete upper and bolt carrier group. Plus the lower parts kit at stock, roughly another $140. So Expect to pay between $640-$740 or so. That doesn't include mags or ammo.

[Robulous78]

affordable I would say is 600 or less out the door...

He actually suggested I look into the Springfield XD line... So I would guess since he suggested it that is "affordable"

What if I bought an already built AR-15? better or worse than DIY?

[emopunker2004]

Grabagun has a PSA rifle for 700.

I prefer Glock personally

[Blueface]

In that price range, Glock for sure.
Question is do you want it for carrying or just to have for shooting at range/home defense?
If latter, go big with a 21.
If looking to shoot cheaper than .45 caliber, go 17 or 19, the latter being a mid size one.

[emopunker2004]

If you're only going to own ONE handgun, make it something in 9mm. Just sayin, if SHTF then 9mm is the most common handgun caliber worldwide and will in theory be the easiest to find

[bonjing]

I think the recent ammo shortage just kind of disproved that theory. The common caliber's were not easy to find for all people.

[emopunker2004]

I think the recent ammo shortage just kind of disproved that theory. The common caliber's were not easy to find for all people.

I didnt say anything about buying them. I said FIND ;)

[dijit]

affordable I would say is 600 or less out the door...

He actually suggested I look into the Springfield XD line... So I would guess since he suggested it that is "affordable"

What if I bought an already built AR-15? better or worse than DIY?

Rob, I would say go test drive several handguns. Glocks are hard to beat for reliability but for me point of aim is off due to grip angle. The XD from Springfield is arguable nearly as reliable as Glock. If used is an option try the Sig Sauer line (one of the best I have tried).

For the AR if you really want to know and appreciate your weapon build one. Depending on tastes it can be expensive but you will have a better understanding of the weapon and how make it perform better.

[Blueface]

Gotta tell you, for accuracy, shoot a 21.
I am no marksman and yet at 15-25 feet, I can group a full mag, where half the shots virtually go in almost the exact spot and the other half, practically next to it.
There is something about the weight of that .45 gun loaded that causes the recoil to go back, instead of up, yielding incredible accuracy.
I have shot many, many guns to figure out what was best for me, and this 21 has my son, daughter in law and wife, shooting amazingly accurate also.
Definitely not our marksmanship that is doing it as can't duplicate that with any of my numerous other guns.
Best advice is as given, to go to a range and shoot away. What is good for one is not necessarily good for all. Popularity means nothing. My Ruger LCP is probably the most popular .380 yet God awful to shoot for most, inclusive of me.

[Steve]

I think the recent ammo shortage just kind of disproved that theory. The common caliber's were not easy to find for all people.

:tpd:

I didnt say anything about buying them. I said FIND ;)

:r

[bonjing]

I didnt say anything about buying them. I said FIND ;)

Ooohhh, I get it:D wink, wink, nudge, nudge :r :tf

[bonjing]

So I need some advice...

It wouldn't be my first firearm but My Pop's has said to pick out an "affordable" gun I like and he'd see about getting it for me for x-mas...

What handguns would you suggest? If I do get something Semi-auto I would like it to have a rail as none of my others do...

What lower is "affordable" yet well constructed, in case I decide to have him get me a lower and do my own build?

How much would a decent AR-15 build run after the lower?

Thanks for your answers fellas...

What do you shoot now?

[emopunker2004]

What do you shoot now?

Pretty sure just a keyboard

[emopunker2004]

Well look what I picked up today plus 400rds of 7.62x39.....



http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2892/9194970036_583bc157dd_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9194970036/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

Here's the after. Stained the wood and put a BLO coat on it. Added tapco slot brake

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/9393706353_c66ca92c86_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9393706353/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9393706353/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Robulous78]

So I need some advice...

It wouldn't be my first firearm but My Pop's has said to pick out an "affordable" gun I like and he'd see about getting it for me for x-mas...

What handguns would you suggest? If I do get something Semi-auto I would like it to have a rail as none of my others do...

What lower is "affordable" yet well constructed, in case I decide to have him get me a lower and do my own build?

How much would a decent AR-15 build run after the lower?

Thanks for your answers fellas...

affordable I would say is 600 or less out the door...

He actually suggested I look into the Springfield XD line... So I would guess since he suggested it that is "affordable"

What if I bought an already built AR-15? better or worse than DIY?

Original Post

Grabagun has a PSA rifle for 700.

I prefer Glock personally

We already have a few Glocks in the Family, I can't say I am overly fond of them personally... just not my bag...

In that price range, Glock for sure.
Question is do you want it for carrying or just to have for shooting at range/home defense?
If latter, go big with a 21.
If looking to shoot cheaper than .45 caliber, go 17 or 19, the latter being a mid size one.

I am looking for something multi purpose... I want something for defense that is fun on the range and makes a bit of a "don't f-uck around" statement. I like rounds with a lot of punch... .357 mag being my favorite but not available for semi autos... gave thought to .357 sig but haven't shot any yet to make a determination...

Rob, I would say go test drive several handguns. Glocks are hard to beat for reliability but for me point of aim is off due to grip angle. The XD from Springfield is arguable nearly as reliable as Glock. If used is an option try the Sig Sauer line (one of the best I have tried).

For the AR if you really want to know and appreciate your weapon build one. Depending on tastes it can be expensive but you will have a better understanding of the weapon and how make it perform better.


My dad really likes the XD line... he suggested I look into it for this purchase but I haven't been able to test drive anything... I really find myself in a place where no one I know around me has anything, there aren't any indoor ranges to rent different stuff to test drive... I kinda have to take my experiences with different rounds to the pawn shop, hold a bunch of stuff and imagine how I think it would feel... which sucks admittedly....

I am really thinking about starting my own AR-15 build... but I know they can soak up a lot of cash quickly... just ask Justin.... :lr I kid I kid... :tu

If I did build an AR. out of study and reliable but not necessarily name brand parts, if the lower was complete and covered, what would my end of the build cost me realistically?

I want to shoot the heads off of Zombies at 200 yards... not the wings off of flies at 1000.... :lr

I am open to anything, handgun or AR...

[Robulous78]

Anyone want to tell me more about the Used Sigs Sauers? or what about Used H&K's?

[Robulous78]

I am not a first gun owner as the thread states, I am thinking mostly in the following ways about handguns...

1) is Ammo for it going to be a pain in the ass to get or a pain in the wallet to purchase?

2) can it be both CCW-ish and still have a good punch for self defense/home protection applications, hand feel, and if I am CCW I want a safety also....

3) is it SIMPLE? does it come apart to clean easily? does it have 1000 pieces or 4?

The rest of what I rambled on up top are considerations also but I know you can't find EVERYTHING in 1 package...

If I am going the AR route, my considerations are different,

1) if I get the lower, what are my costs for "decent" parts to finish out the build, meaning to make a firing weapon, customization can come later...

2) is ammo an issue to find on these already? how about the future? how expensive is it now and how expensive will it/ can it be?

3) I want my build as close to the federal limits as possible, might as well get as close to the line as they let you in case they push it back later, what are they? are they more expensive to build towards, and whats the cost of a build like this run?

[Robulous78]

What do you shoot now?

Right now I don't shoot too much, but when I go home we always go out to the range and fire a lot of different stuff... usually 9mm...

Pretty sure just a keyboard

:lr Yea... I type a lot...

[Robulous78]

Also... A few more AR questions, do the lowers, uppers, barrel interchange or do you have to consider compatability?

My dad has a .223 AR... I want a 5.56 for consideration in the questions above...

[bonjing]

Right now I don't shoot too much, but when I go home we always go out to the range and fire a lot of different stuff... usually 9mm...



:lr Yea... I type a lot...

The reason I ask what you shoot now is to help narrow down some selections. When you go home what type of firearms are you shooting, let us know specifics; make, model, what you like about them and what you dont. You say don't like glock. If you don't want a bunch of parts than sig and hk are out too depending on the type of service/cleaning you want to do them. Simple break down is most firearms take down to 4 or 5 simple parts; frame, slide, barrel, spring guide rod if you want to count that. You also say you want a safety on your firearm, what kind? Frame mounted, trigger or slide? Do you like double action or single action semi autos, are you comfortable using both (sig).

Way to many questions to ask without knowing the depth of your shooting experience.

[Robulous78]

The reason I ask what you shoot now is to help narrow down some selections. When you go home what type of firearms are you shooting, let us know specifics; make, model, what you like about them and what you dont. You say don't like glock. If you don't want a bunch of parts than sig and hk are out too depending on the type of service/cleaning you want to do them. Simple break down is most firearms take down to 4 or 5 simple parts; frame, slide, barrel, spring guide rod if you want to count that. You also say you want a safety on your firearm, what kind? Frame mounted, trigger or slide? Do you like double action or single action semi autos, are you comfortable using both (sig).

Way to many questions to ask without knowing the depth of your shooting experience.

My Experience,
S&W .44 Mag, Love it but alas a revolver
S&W .357 Mag, Looooooveee it... but alas also a revolver
Ruger P-89 9mm, Probably my favorite of my Semi Autos, low recoil, very balanced.
IMI Baby Eagle 9mm, Love the all metal construction, tad bit heavy... about as small as my hand will allow without pinky coming off the bottom
Glock 22, I like the .40 caliber cartridge, but I want something with a bit more flair...

After looking at H&K I think I am turned off, still kinda interested in Sig Sauer's stuff...

When I was talking about safety's I was referring to frame safetys... I would be ok with a trigger safety too but I prefer frame... What is a slide safety and how does it differ from frame? if it is just the placement then that would be fine as well...

double or single are fine by me, hammer or hammerless doesn't make a difference to me...

[Blueface]

I am not a first gun owner as the thread states, I am thinking mostly in the following ways about handguns...

1) is Ammo for it going to be a pain in the ass to get or a pain in the wallet to purchase?

The 357 Sig you like, yeah, expensive as crap and not easily found. For bang for caliber and price, .45 is the way.

2) can it be both CCW-ish and still have a good punch for self defense/home protection applications, hand feel, and if I am CCW I want a safety also....

For CCW, .40 or 9mm. However, the XDs in .45, while only holding five rounds is small, thin, easily concealed and powerful, yet unbelievably manageable and on my must have list.

3) is it SIMPLE? does it come apart to clean easily? does it have 1000 pieces or 4?

Nothing beats Glocks for simplicity. Four parts, easy/fast takedown. You mention a safety in your replies, which clearly Glocks don't have. I use two for concealed, a Shield 9mm and a Ruger LCP .380. The latter does not have a safety and while the Shield does, and while I thought it was important to have it, I have learned and adjusted to the thought that if I ever have to draw to save my life, the last thing I care to do is first release a safety, regardless of how easy it may be. So, I never use it. Only time is when I clear the chamber, drop the mag, pull slide to double check and then put on safety as added measure if showing someone the gun, or when in my safe loaded.

The rest of what I rambled on up top are considerations also but I know you can't find EVERYTHING in 1 package...

If I am going the AR route, my considerations are different,

1) if I get the lower, what are my costs for "decent" parts to finish out the build, meaning to make a firing weapon, customization can come later...

Lowers are back to pre frenzy prices. You can get a Spikes for as low as $95.

2) is ammo an issue to find on these already? how about the future? how expensive is it now and how expensive will it/ can it be?

.223/5.56 ammo is back in stock and about a dollar off the pre frenzy prices. It is a military round. Will be around for a long, long time.

3) I want my build as close to the federal limits as possible, might as well get as close to the line as they let you in case they push it back later, what are they? are they more expensive to build towards, and whats the cost of a build like this run?

Only limits I am aware of is 16" barrel and no full auto.

See above.

[dijit]

Original Post

I am looking for something multi purpose... I want something for defense that is fun on the range and makes a bit of a "don't f-uck around" statement. I like rounds with a lot of punch... .357 mag being my favorite but not available for semi autos... gave thought to .357 sig but haven't shot any yet to make a determination...





The .357 I have tried in a Sig model 226? and was arguably one of the best balanced load/weapon combinations I have ever tried. The problem is its very expensive to shoot and a pain in the ass to reload. That being said with the right powder bullet combo you can easily achieve 1500 to 1600 fps with a 124 gr JHP. Awesome show of I dont take no **** at the range.

[emopunker2004]

Here's a better quality picture of the AFTER; DSLR instead of iPhone.



http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3807/9401720564_e702275022_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9401720564/)
IMG_6415 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9401720564/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Steve]

:banger

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc%205/PEO_M249_Para_ACOG.jpg

[bonjing]

My Experience,
S&W .44 Mag, Love it but alas a revolver
S&W .357 Mag, Looooooveee it... but alas also a revolver
Ruger P-89 9mm, Probably my favorite of my Semi Autos, low recoil, very balanced.
IMI Baby Eagle 9mm, Love the all metal construction, tad bit heavy... about as small as my hand will allow without pinky coming off the bottom
Glock 22, I like the .40 caliber cartridge, but I want something with a bit more flair...

After looking at H&K I think I am turned off, still kinda interested in Sig Sauer's stuff...

When I was talking about safety's I was referring to frame safetys... I would be ok with a trigger safety too but I prefer frame... What is a slide safety and how does it differ from frame? if it is just the placement then that would be fine as well...

double or single are fine by me, hammer or hammerless doesn't make a difference to me...

If you want something with a bit more flair than 40, that fits a lot of your criteria look at a desset eagle in 357 :D A slide mounted safety would be something along the lines of Beretta 92. Not my favorite because it's to easily to activate the safety during malfunction drills.


What I recommend to take a look at are, in no particular order:

S&W M&P9/40/45. Great ergonomics (for me) adjustable backstraps to fit a variety of hands. And can have an optional frame mounted safety like a 1911. Downside is that the safety flips on and off very easily

Ruger SR9/40 Haven't shot one yet, but it was my next purchase due to it being very inexpensive, but a glock 19 came up that I wanted. Has a safety fame mounted safety and trigger safety as well.

Sig 299R (9/40/357.) No safety, but since you're used to revolver shooting using the DA/SA trigger should not be a problem for you.

All are concealable, at least for me. The least expensive of the three would be the Ruger, then S&W finally Sig.

[Lockspur]

I am not a first gun owner as the thread states, I am thinking mostly in the following ways about handguns...

1) is Ammo for it going to be a pain in the ass to get or a pain in the wallet to purchase?
Depends on how much you shoot. Prices are still a little high, but ammo is more available than it's been since the Great Panic of 2013. If cost is a concern, I would look at a caliber that's widely available and more cost effective...like 9mm. Remember, it doesn't matter how big a bullet you're shooting, if you're not making your hits, then it's all wasted.

2) can it be both CCW-ish and still have a good punch for self defense/home protection applications, hand feel, and if I am CCW I want a safety also....
Nothing wrong with 9mm for both. 9mm is very manageable and most double stack handguns hold about 20 rounds. I have both 9 and .45 for both CCW and home.

3) is it SIMPLE? does it come apart to clean easily? does it have 1000 pieces or 4?
XD's are by far the easiest to field strip. Glocks a close 2nd. But at some point, you will have to detail strip the firearm...and ALL of them come in lots of small pieces. But in a firefight, the worst you would have to do is field strip, and that's for a worst case scenario.

Field Strip - remove slide from frame, remove guide rod/recoil spring assembly, remove barrel...inspect and reassemble.

Detail Strip - take it down to the frame and bare slide for cleaning/maintenance.

The rest of what I rambled on up top are considerations also but I know you can't find EVERYTHING in 1 package...
You'd be surprised. My first handgun purchase was an XD .45 Compact. It's had upwards of 10k rounds through it...no malfunctions. Comes with a 10-round mag for carry, and a 13-round for home. But I added a mag extension for home, so it's really 17 rounds. Even has a rail for my light.

If I am going the AR route, my considerations are different,
Yup. AR's CAN be used for home defense, but are larger and have higher velocity rounds. Train with a handgun, take as many classes as you can to be proficient with a handgun...THEN move up to an AR for defense. Mine stays in the safe while I'm at home.

1) if I get the lower, what are my costs for "decent" parts to finish out the build, meaning to make a firing weapon, customization can come later...
$80 for a lower. Another $80 for a lower parts kit. $50 for the tools to assemble it yourself, could be more. $500-900 for a complete upper to bolt on to it. I built my AR that way and grand total was $875 using Spike's Tactical parts. If you've never had one, I say buy one already complete. Familiarize yourself with it, THEN venture into building your own.

2) is ammo an issue to find on these already? how about the future? how expensive is it now and how expensive will it/ can it be?
What others have said...ammo is available, and the prices will eventually come down. Key is to check the online places when they run deals on cases. AIMsurplus.com is one of my go-to's.

3) I want my build as close to the federal limits as possible, might as well get as close to the line as they let you in case they push it back later, what are they? are they more expensive to build towards, and whats the cost of a build like this run?
keep the barrel no shorter than 16", and no full auto. Anything shorter than 16" is a Short Barrel Rifle and requires a tax stamp. Full auto is a Class III item and requires a lot of paperwork and money. But most places will specify if their parts are SBR/III.

I carry both .45 and 9mm. .40 is just another caliber I would have to buy for.

[Robulous78]

See above.

Thanks for the answers... :tu

The .357 I have tried in a Sig model 226? and was arguably one of the best balanced load/weapon combinations I have ever tried. The problem is its very expensive to shoot and a pain in the ass to reload. That being said with the right powder bullet combo you can easily achieve 1500 to 1600 fps with a 124 gr JHP. Awesome show of I dont take no **** at the range.

Thanks for the info... the more I think about it I like the idea of a .357 auto but it seems like it would be kinda a pain in the ass in the same token... Maybe if I was a reloader or if I had more connections... for now might as well keep it simple...

If you want something with a bit more flair than 40, that fits a lot of your criteria look at a desset eagle in 357 :D A slide mounted safety would be something along the lines of Beretta 92. Not my favorite because it's to easily to activate the safety during malfunction drills.


Hmm... That DE makes me want a .357 auto again... :lr

While I don't mind the Beretta 92... a friend already owns it and I want something I can show off... :lr


What I recommend to take a look at are, in no particular order:

S&W M&P9/40/45. Great ergonomics (for me) adjustable backstraps to fit a variety of hands. And can have an optional frame mounted safety like a 1911. Downside is that the safety flips on and off very easily

Ruger SR9/40 Haven't shot one yet, but it was my next purchase due to it being very inexpensive, but a glock 19 came up that I wanted. Has a safety fame mounted safety and trigger safety as well.

Sig 299R (9/40/357.) No safety, but since you're used to revolver shooting using the DA/SA trigger should not be a problem for you.

All are concealable, at least for me. The least expensive of the three would be the Ruger, then S&W finally Sig.

I will certainly look into all of these... thanks for the recos... :tu

I carry both .45 and 9mm. .40 is just another caliber I would have to buy for.

Yea... That is what is turning me away from the .357 sig / auto round...

[bonjing]

If you want the option of 357Sig just get a 226/9 in 40 and just pick up a spare barrel in 357. That's what I have for my 229, kind of best of both worlds. Just remember to feed the correct ammo! ! !

[dijit]

If you want the option of 357Sig just get a 226/9 in 40 and just pick up a spare barrel in 357. That's what I have for my 229, kind of best of both worlds. Just remember to feed the correct ammo! ! !

That is a decent option the extra barrel should run about $140 and great weapons.

[Robulous78]

If you want the option of 357Sig just get a 226/9 in 40 and just pick up a spare barrel in 357. That's what I have for my 229, kind of best of both worlds. Just remember to feed the correct ammo! ! !

That does sound like a winner... I am going to look into it further... I have a guest that is actually a huge H&K guy that is trying to talk me into one of them... IDK if I wanna afford that when there are other options on the market, however.

I am really giving a lot of thought to the AR-build as well... can anyone tell me some good uppers? what makes one upper/barrel combo worth 500 and the next worth 2000?

[Blueface]

FYI for anyone wanting an Umbrella lower.
They just opened the lines for pre-orders.
Won't ship until October some time but if you get tired of wait, they will cancel your order and reimburse the payment.
While the billet looks nice, no way for $350.
Went with a forged. I also want to eventually get the upper receiver and grip.
Will then get all the umbrellas on the parts painted red and white.
Now if only they also opened the lines for orders of Alice, life would really be good.

[Blueface]

Here is what she looks like. Isn't she a beauty?

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/null-24.jpg

The lower is a looker also.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/null-23.jpg

[emopunker2004]

Picked up some clay pigeons and tanerite to go shoot tomorrow :wo

[bonjing]

Sig is not the only one that is capable of the conversion other makes do it too.

Firearms are like anything else, it's all in the users perspective. I've always used the line of, "I can recommend you that $3000 Wilson Combat on the shelf that's guaranteed to shoot 2" at 25 yards, but if it doesn't shoot well for you I just sold you a $3000 paper weight." I know you're in a tight situation of not being able to try before you buy, but I hope that you can.

On the flip side you learn to adapt to the firearm. My coworkers always challenged me to pick up any firearm on our shelf and shoot it well before they even considered showing me how to or even working on the triggers of my own pistols. I'll say it took me a long time before I had my first pistol worked on.


That does sound like a winner... I am going to look into it further... I have a guest that is actually a huge H&K guy that is trying to talk me into one of them... IDK if I wanna afford that when there are other options on the market, however.

I am really giving a lot of thought to the AR-build as well... can anyone tell me some good uppers? what makes one upper/barrel combo worth 500 and the next worth 2000?

[emopunker2004]

Had a blast shooting yesterday. FYI, tanerite is awesome!

[emopunker2004]

Didn't get many pix Saturday. Here's what I got. My buddy Arthur and some tannerite going boom.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7338/9441977565_8943399b63_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9441977565/)
ART (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9441977565/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3725/9444810706_994c338a8e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9444810706/)
ART2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9444810706/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5452/9444787002_9cffccb6f7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9444787002/)
Boom! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/9444787002/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[big pete]

Promised Bax that I would get a picture of my AR pistol with the new lower. Think it's done for now...
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/secretaznman58/1677FE3E-278C-4D6F-BA5D-F58EA005D1ED-23140-00001EF32C6D8477.jpg

[SvilleKid]

Latest purchase. Haven't shot it yet. Taurus Judge, Public Defender. Aftermarket add-on poly grips greatly increased the hand area, and much more stable.

http://i1210.photobucket.com/albums/cc403/svillekid/39745A86-ADFE-4C78-B1FF-E80215D52AF9-3578-0000041D14C76BEF_zps11556214.jpg (http://s1210.photobucket.com/user/svillekid/media/39745A86-ADFE-4C78-B1FF-E80215D52AF9-3578-0000041D14C76BEF_zps11556214.jpg.html)

[Bax]

Promised Bax that I would get a picture of my AR pistol with the new lower. Think it's done for now...
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/secretaznman58/1677FE3E-278C-4D6F-BA5D-F58EA005D1ED-23140-00001EF32C6D8477.jpg

WOOT! Looks friggin awesome!!!!

I just talked to Jimmy and he's about ready to start the .308's :banger

[newcigarz]

Info for those carrying M&P shield.

www.MPShieldSafetyAlert.com

[Bax]

Just gave my cheap little Hipoint 9mm carbine a facelift for under 100 bucks.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/bauxyeux/DSC_1190_zps0e84d0af.jpg (http://s125.photobucket.com/user/bauxyeux/media/DSC_1190_zps0e84d0af.jpg.html)

[newcigarz]

Info for those carrying M&P shield.

www.MPShieldSafetyAlert.com


Now it's XDS :confused:

http://www.springfieldrecall.com/

[Blueface]

Now it's XDS :confused:

http://www.springfieldrecall.com/

Wow,
At least the Shield involved a quick check, of which outs were OK.
It involved a possible discharge if dropped.

This XDs recall is much more serious,

[mjdx88]

Info for those carrying M&P shield.

www.MPShieldSafetyAlert.com


Thanks for the heads up! IDK why I didn't get an email about this? I signed up for all info when I registered my firearm a few weeks ago.

I will be checking this tonight...I cant carry here but no reason to let this be ignored.

I will then proceed to upload pics of my new 1911 =)

[Dukeuni]

I am considering purchasing a XDs .45. I know they just had the recall come out, but that part does not bother me too much right now.

For those who own this gun, or have shot this gun- what are your thoughts? I would primarily use this gun for when I travel and some concealed carry (when I am called out for work, or if I think there might be issues at work). Prior to the XDs, I was considering a S&W Bodyguard .380, or a Ruger LCP .380. The reason I have considered the XDs is the safety features, and the .45.

Thoughts?

[Blueface]

I am considering purchasing a XDs .45. I know they just had the recall come out, but that part does not bother me too much right now.

For those who own this gun, or have shot this gun- what are your thoughts? I would primarily use this gun for when I travel and some concealed carry (when I am called out for work, or if I think there might be issues at work). Prior to the XDs, I was considering a S&W Bodyguard .380, or a Ruger LCP .380. The reason I have considered the XDs is the safety features, and the .45.

Thoughts?

I have fired all three and own the LCP.
I don't like the Bodyguard at all.
The LCP is a shoot and hope you will hit something gun.
The XDs is in a league of its own compared to these other two. Quality, feel, safety, sights, and knockdown power all give it a significant edge in my opinion.

Consider also that they now make it in a 9mm. While the .45 is manageable, I imagine the 9 is more. I mention this since the other two you are considering are .380.

[Dukeuni]

I have fired all three and own the LCP.
I don't like the Bodyguard at all.
The LCP is a shoot and hope you will hit something gun.
The XDs is in a league of its own compared to these other two. Quality, feel, safety, sights, and knockdown power all give it a significant edge in my opinion.

Consider also that they now make it in a 9mm. While the .45 is manageable, I imagine the 9 is more. I mention this since the other two you are considering are .380.


How much larger is the XDs vs. the LCP/Bodyguard?