First Firearm Thread.

[elderboy02]

Just finished re-building my Ruger 10/22 with a lot of upgrades. Thought I'd post some pics. Very few stock components left on this gun.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn275/bambam1723/1022001.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn275/bambam1723/1022002.jpg

Me likey! :tu :gn

[Roland of Gilead]

Just finished re-building my Ruger 10/22 with a lot of upgrades. Thought I'd post some pics. Very few stock components left on this gun.

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn275/bambam1723/1022001.jpg

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn275/bambam1723/1022002.jpg

Where's the can?

lol.

Looks good!

-Mark.

[Cigarcop]

I haven't posted in awhile, Blaser LRS2

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_1483.jpg

[Cigarcop]

My .338 Norma Mag on a Badger M2008

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/2e4f5oo.jpg

[Cigarcop]

and a 6.5 Grendel w/Satern barrel, Stiller Lower, AA upper, and all the trimmins

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/Grendel1.jpg

[JE3146]

I have 10$ that says you're a member of snipershide.com :r

Nice sticks :tu

[BamBam]

Me likey! :tu :gn
Thanks guys...It's my squirrelin gun and is good at what it does :tu

[Cigarcop]

I have 10$ that says you're a member of snipershide.com :r

Nice sticks :tu


Yes sir Jordan:tu

Can't sit around here all day smoking seegars!!!

[elderboy02]

Nice freaking guns! :tu

:gn

[Ranger_B]

:dr Lapua. such a great cartridge. Nice looking tools my friend.

[Cigarcop]

a few more I dug up my 6.5x47 Lapua...its a LAZER and what I shoot in F Class

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0111.jpg

[Cigarcop]

Lil tactical .308....Wish I could take pics like "Roland of Gilead" but I suck!!

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0117.jpg

[Cigarcop]

This one might have been posted before, .338 Lapua Mag Blaser LRS2

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0101.jpg

[JE3146]

a few more I dug up my 6.5x47 Lapua...its a LAZER and what I shoot in F Class

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0111.jpg

Oh....... :dr

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Well I did pick up my first AR last Thursday. I went for the S&W M&P15 PC
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/13045_351245675371_876215371_102962.jpg

I need to get some sort of sight system on this thing and I want some good iron BUIS and was thinkin of these. The thing is the front picatinny rail is about 1/2" lower than the one on the receiver. Is this normal and will it affect the sights I put on it? One more thing. I want some optic sights but dont know what to get. It will be used mostly for target and varmint shooting to at the most 200 years. Suggestions?

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/Troy_HK_Set_350_web.jpg
http://mooneysfirearms.com/troybackupironsightsethkstylefront.aspx

[bonjing]

The Troy sights that you have pictured wont work with the set up you have. With that gas block rail system you're going to need a different set of sights. I don't think troy makes a gb mounted sight but I know that Midwest industries does,

http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=79

There may be other options out there, I'll have a look around

[bonjing]

here are a couple more options

http://www.samson-mfg.com/ar-15_html/product/QF-FFS-EXT.html

http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/sights.html

I'm sure there are cheaper places to buy them from.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

If I go with the sampson Im goin to assume it will line up with any rear sight. Is this correct?

[HK3-]

I went with the Troy flip ups and I'm having the problem with the gas block being lower than the rear rail. Trying to find a riser of some sort to bring that front site up....

[smokeyandthebandit05]

HK3 I think this would be the best bet


http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/product491.html

Would this work?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/YHM-230.jpg

[HK3-]

HK3 I think this would be the best bet


http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/product491.html

Would this work?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/YHM-230.jpg

Seems to me that would do the trick. Thanks for the help. Much appreciated! :tu

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Seems to me that would do the trick. Thanks for the help. Much appreciated! :tu


No problem. If u get one let me know how it is. I may be needing one as well. Are the troy sights worth it? I found a set but they are $250.

[Catfish]

I have found my AR. Google search the Shootrite Katana.

Oh yeah.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Wow that rifle sounds amazing. Carbon fiber hand guards!!!!!!!!:dr

[bonjing]

If I go with the sampson Im goin to assume it will line up with any rear sight. Is this correct?


Good question, I'm probably going to say yes, I wish that I could tell you yes for sure. sorry.

No problem. If u get one let me know how it is. I may be needing one as well. Are the troy sights worth it? I found a set but they are $250.

I'll say that I love my troy sights ! ! ! For what you have, looks like a 20"+ barrel, I'd just stick with the glass/optics. That is if all you're going to use it for is target and varmint shooting.

With that said, my personal opinion is always have a good set of iron sights on your rifle! ! !

[Roland of Gilead]

This one might have been posted before, .338 Lapua Mag Blaser LRS2

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0101.jpg



WANT!

How do you like the straight pull action?


-Roland.

[Cigarcop]

WANT!

How do you like the straight pull action?


-Roland.

Its nice Roland especially on follow up shots....I have the same rifle in .308 and its for sale!!!

[Catfish]

.338 Lapua. Niiiiiiice chambering, sir. Nice.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Good question, I'm probably going to say yes, I wish that I could tell you yes for sure. sorry.



I'll say that I love my troy sights ! ! ! For what you have, looks like a 20"+ barrel, I'd just stick with the glass/optics. That is if all you're going to use it for is target and varmint shooting.

With that said, my personal opinion is always have a good set of iron sights on your rifle! ! !

A friends dad got a stag with idk say a 18" barrel. He had iron sights as well as some kind of red dot or holographic sight. I think for now I just want to do iron sights, learn how to shoot it well with them, then drop the money on something nice

[replicant_argent]

You know it is a good day when you ask your daughter what she wants to do on her 18th birthday and her reply is "Can we go shooting, Dad?"



I must have done at least one thing right.

[Cigarcop]

You know it is a good day when you ask your daughter what she wants to do on her 18th birthday and her reply is "Can we go shooting, Dad?"



I must have done at least one thing right.

A very good day!!! Well done:tu

[safariguy]

You know it is a good day when you ask your daughter what she wants to do on her 18th birthday and her reply is "Can we go shooting, Dad?"



I must have done at least one thing right.

Did you buy her that Sig yet? :D

[Robert Mabona]

p12
customized by guncraft
fully teflon coated
ed brown ambi-safety
eb hammer
kimber full-length guide rod
eb extended beavertail
trijicon
3.5lb trigger
titanium grip screws
10-over Wolf springs
ultratech
http://s993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/corkthief/?action=view&current=IMG_0283.jpg

[elderboy02]

p12
customized by guncraft
fully teflon coated
ed brown ambi-safety
eb hammer
kimber full-length guide rod
eb extended beavertail
trijicon
3.5lb trigger
titanium grip screws
10-over Wolf springs
ultratech
http://s993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/corkthief/?action=view&current=IMG_0283.jpg

Very nice! :tu

[coastietech]

Just in case anyone has sent or was planning on sending anything to Anvil Arms, the company went under and the previous owner has made off with a large quantity of money, gun parts, and class III items.

This just happened within the last month...

This is going to get very very messy now that the BATFE is involved. The previous owner has been ordered to turn in all hardware and class III but has not complied as of yet.

Just wanted to give the gun heads like me a heads up. :tu

[elderboy02]

Just in case anyone has sent or was planning on sending anything to Anvil Arms, the company went under and the previous owner has made off with a large quantity of money, gun parts, and class III items.

This just happened within the last month...

This is going to get very very messy now that the BATFE is involved. The previous owner has been ordered to turn in all hardware and class III but has not complied as of yet.

Just wanted to give the gun heads like me a heads up. :tu

I have never used them. Thanks for the heads up! It is never good when the BATFE gets involved.

[replicant_argent]

Did you buy her that Sig yet? :D

If I could afford it, one would be under the tree for her.

[coastietech]

If I could afford it, one would be under the tree for her.

Have you looked into CPO's? You can find them a great deal cheaper than new and often they are almost perfect in everyway. :tu

[replicant_argent]

Have you looked into CPO's? You can find them a great deal cheaper than new and often they are almost perfect in everyway. :tu

The Sig she wants is the 556... I don't think there are any deals deep enough anywhere.

[coastietech]

The Sig she wants is the 556... I don't think there are any deals deep enough anywhere.

No your probably right... don't think they have CPO 556's.

[HK3-]

Anyone have an opinion about the Nikon Coyote Special in the 4.5x14?

[gettysburgfreak]

I know there are quite a few of you who have an AR-15. When I get out of the academy in another 7 weeks I want to buy one my gift to myself. I was hoping I could get some input from those of you that have one. Ideally I would like to find one in the 6-700 dollar range if possible.

Where is a good place to buy one online?
Where is a good place to get inexpensive .223 rounds?

I was interested in this one:

http://www.ar15pro.com/item/64746_Stag_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_STAG_STAG-15L_M1L_556NATO.aspx

[HK3-]

I know there are quite a few of you who have an AR-15. When I get out of the academy in another 7 weeks I want to buy one my gift to myself. I was hoping I could get some input from those of you that have one. Ideally I would like to find one in the 6-700 dollar range if possible.

Where is a good place to buy one online?
Where is a good place to get inexpensive .223 rounds?

I was interested in this one:

http://www.ar15pro.com/item/64746_Stag_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_STAG_STAG-15L_M1L_556NATO.aspx


gunbroker.com I've bought quite a few things off there. Great deals as well. They just ship to your local dealer or anyone that carries an FFL.

[elderboy02]

I know there are quite a few of you who have an AR-15. When I get out of the academy in another 7 weeks I want to buy one my gift to myself. I was hoping I could get some input from those of you that have one. Ideally I would like to find one in the 6-700 dollar range if possible.

Where is a good place to buy one online?
Where is a good place to get inexpensive .223 rounds?

I was interested in this one:

http://www.ar15pro.com/item/64746_Stag_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_STAG_STAG-15L_M1L_556NATO.aspx

Here are a couple sites where I buy my .223 from:

AIM Surplus (http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/223.html)

Ammoman (http://www.ammoman.com/index.htm)

[coastietech]

I know there are quite a few of you who have an AR-15. When I get out of the academy in another 7 weeks I want to buy one my gift to myself. I was hoping I could get some input from those of you that have one. Ideally I would like to find one in the 6-700 dollar range if possible.

Where is a good place to buy one online?
Where is a good place to get inexpensive .223 rounds?

I was interested in this one:

http://www.ar15pro.com/item/64746_Stag_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_STAG_STAG-15L_M1L_556NATO.aspx

Call SCP Firearms ... My buddy Steve owns it. He sold me my DPMS SASS.
SCP Firearms (http://scpfirearms.com/)

The other place to call is the Armory in Virginia Beach... Ask for Scott and tell him I sent you. (757) 424-1617

[gettysburgfreak]

thanks for the info guys. What do you guys think about the one I was interested in? Here it is again

http://www.ar15pro.com/item/64746_Stag_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_STAG_STAG-15L_M1L_556NATO.aspx

[looking for know]

thanks for the info guys. What do you guys think about the one I was interested in? Here it is again

http://www.ar15pro.com/item/64746_Stag_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_STAG_STAG-15L_M1L_556NATO.aspx

That's not a bad price for a NEW complete rifle.

Don't forget to check out ar15.com's equipment exchange. If you're patient, and check back often, there are good deals to be had.

[elderboy02]

thanks for the info guys. What do you guys think about the one I was interested in? Here it is again

http://www.ar15pro.com/item/64746_Stag_Arms_Rifles_Shotguns_STAG_STAG-15L_M1L_556NATO.aspx

Looks good to me. Just so you are aware, that is a left handed model. I would prefer a 1/7 twist, but a 1/9 twist will be fine :tu

[weak_link]

Looks good to me. Just so you are aware, that is a left handed model. I would prefer a 1/7 twist, but a 1/9 twist will be fine :tu

I wish mine was a lefty. Never really had a problem getting drilled in the head by spent brass but I'm sure I'd appreciate it after a couple hundred rounds.

[gettysburgfreak]

Looks good to me. Just so you are aware, that is a left handed model. I would prefer a 1/7 twist, but a 1/9 twist will be fine :tu

I assume I could order it in a right handed model?

[elderboy02]

I assume I could order it in a right handed model?

Sure, just make sure you order the right handed model, or call them and tell them to make sure they give you the right handed model. Most guns are right handed. For some reason, the one you linked said left handed in the description.

[bobarian]

I wish mine was a lefty. Never really had a problem getting drilled in the head by spent brass but I'm sure I'd appreciate it after a couple hundred rounds.

I thought something looked odd about that AR. I thought all the lefty versions came with pink lowers? :r

[HK3-]

Got a few goodies today in the mail. Picked up the gas block riser from Yankee Hill, a set of Leupold QRW high rings from Natchezs, and two extra magazines from DPMS. Now if only I could get my rifle back from the shop....:sad

[Pauly Walnuts]

I dont have any pictures but I have a little .22 for plinkin' in the yard, my dads the one packin the artillery. He's got 2 different .38 pistols, a Beretta .45, one of those little Derringers, a Glock .45, a Yugoslavian SKS, an AK47, and a Shotgun that I dont know the specs of. We've all got our obsessions I guess lol.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Got a few goodies today in the mail. Picked up the gas block riser from Yankee Hill, a set of Leupold QRW high rings from Natchezs, and two extra magazines from DPMS. Now if only I could get my rifle back from the shop....:sad


Is the riser the one I pointed out a while ago?

[HK3-]

Is the riser the one I pointed out a while ago?

Indeed it is. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction on that! :tu

[smokeyandthebandit05]

No problem :tu I was torn between goin the route with a riser and the standard sight or the gas block height front sight. I decided on the midwest industries

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/mctarffg.gif
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/mctarers.gif

Please let me know how yours works out.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Just a quick question. I want to replace the front hand guard on my AR and replace it with one with rails. Do I need the special tool to take it off or does it just unscrew? Sorry If its a noob question

[elderboy02]

Just a quick question. I want to replace the front hand guard on my AR and replace it with one with rails. Do I need the special tool to take it off or does it just unscrew? Sorry If its a noob question

It is best to have 2 people do it. You have to just push down on the ring, really, really hard.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I dont think I have a ring. Its more of the aluminum tube and its attached to a round gray thing. I'll take a pic in a bit

[smokeyandthebandit05]

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=11101&storeId=10001&productId=67987&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=33803&isFirearm=Y

[Titan410]

You dont need this tool, but it makes it simpler.
http://store.a51tactical.com/images/removaltool.jpg



Just a quick question. I want to replace the front hand guard on my AR and replace it with one with rails. Do I need the special tool to take it off or does it just unscrew? Sorry If its a noob question

[JE3146]

I have that tool in my kit. Makes things MUCH easier :tu

Especially when installing 2 piece metal handguards.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

This is what I have to work with

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/DSC01052.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/DSC01050.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/DSC01048.jpg

I think I need one of those wrenches with the 3 prongs to take it off

[theonlybear4CORT]

what about a strap wrench?
http://www.filtersfast.com/ProdImages/strap-wrench.jpg

[JE3146]

A rubber strap wrench might work as well :tu

EDIT:: got beat to it :D

[smokeyandthebandit05]

hmmmm that is a good idea. Would I need to put it in a vice? And would the fore end unscrew from the gray piece? Sorry for all the dumb questions I just dont wanna mess up a brand new rifle

[theonlybear4CORT]

check this out there is a lot of good info.http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=226782

[bonjing]

here are the install instructions from YHM (yankee hill machine).

http://www.yhm.net/store/media/Free_Float_Handguards.pdf

http://www.yhm.net/installationinstructions.php

looks like you're going to need to remove the gas block and the gas tube also, in order to remove the locking nut.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Im lookin to buy a whole A2 upper in 5.56/.223. I would like a 16" barrel and I found this...for a pretty cheap price and idk if it would be as good as a RRA, DPMS, Bushmaster, S&W, whoever. I want to spend around $500. Anyone have suggestions?
http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_Assembly_p/dt1008.htm

[elderboy02]

I want an ACR: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=985877

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I heard it goin to be +$2000 but yes I want one too!

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Also what is the difference between a Pre and Post ban upper?

[DrDubzz]

I want an ACR: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=985877

yeah but only with an ACOG and M203

oh and Scavenger, Stopping Power and Steady Aim

;)

[JE3146]

I want an ACR: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=985877

I refuse to give a cent of my money towards that endever if the MSRP is going to be nearly 3,000$ for something originally promised as an affordable to produce, end all, be all rifle. Bushmaster & Magpul can kiss my @#*&$.
:td

I'm with that one guy, I won't even use it on CoD MW2 anymore. :r I'll feel dirty.

[0002S]

One of my "favs" from the Man Cave.

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/PAM%20127/BAR/UCBtoF.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/PAM%20127/BAR/Side.jpg

[smokeyandthebandit05]

One of my "favs" from the Man Cave.

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/PAM%20127/BAR/UCBtoF.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/PAM%20127/BAR/Side.jpg

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want one soooo bad!!!!!!!


on a side note

I read around some gun forums and decided to pull the trigger on a custom Del-Ton upper

light weight 16" chrome lined barrel
YHM 4 Rail Light Weight Free Float Tube
Standard A2 Front Sight and flash suppressor
Flat Top Upper with T-Marks and detachable carry handle

and
ACE AR-15 ARFX Skeleton Buttstock

[Knip23]

AK looks like China

[0002S]

AK looks like China

It's a Maadi w/ bakelight hardware. I've switch flash sup. back to the orginal slant.

[GreekGodX]

I put 2 handguns on layaway over the weekend. I hope to have at least 1 of them by the end of the month :D These would be my first handguns and I'm damn excited. Already have purchased 300 rounds of the different types of caliber bullets for them.

[Thrak]

I put 2 handguns on layaway over the weekend. I hope to have at least 1 of them by the end of the month :D These would be my first handguns and I'm damn excited. Already have purchased 300 rounds of the different types of caliber bullets for them.

Different types of caliber?

If you are getting a 9mm you have to use 9mm. If you are getting a .40, you have to use .40. If you're getting a .45 use .45ACP, not .45GAP like one of my buddies did in his 1911 lol... (unless its a glock :p)

[theonlybear4CORT]

What you get?

[floydpink]

Different types of caliber?

If you are getting a 9mm you have to use 9mm. If you are getting a .40, you have to use .40. If you're getting a .45 use .45ACP, not .45GAP like one of my buddies did in his 1911 lol... (unless its a glock :p)

Or you could get a 357 magnum and shoot 357s or 38's....
Then again, I am a wheel gun fan, but traded the 357 for a 38 snubbie before I crippled my right hand permanently.

[GreekGodX]

I got 2 different caliber guns but I'm not going to say what they are until I have them in my possession :D

1 is a .40 and the other a .45.

[Diesel Kinevel]

Im lookin to buy a whole A2 upper in 5.56/.223. I would like a 16" barrel and I found this...for a pretty cheap price and idk if it would be as good as a RRA, DPMS, Bushmaster, S&W, whoever. I want to spend around $500. Anyone have suggestions?
http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Barrel_Assembly_p/dt1008.htm

you can get uppers from Rguns pretty decent price. Thats where I got mine.

-Z

[hotreds]

AN ACTUAL CRAIG'S LIST PERSONALS AD

To the Guy Who Tried to Mug Me in Downtown Savannah night before last.

Date: 2009-05-27, 1:43 a.m.. E.S.T..


I was the guy wearing the black Burberry jacket that you demanded that I hand over, shortly after you pulled the knife on me and my girlfriend, threatening our lives.. You also asked for my girlfriend's purse and earrings. I can only hope that you somehow come across this rather important message.

First, I'd like to apologize for your embarrassment; I didn't expect you to actually crap in your pants when I drew my pistol after you took my jacket. The evening was not that cold, and I was wearing the jacket for a reason. My girlfriend had just bought me that Kimber Model 1911 .45 ACP pistol for my birthday, and we had picked up a shoulder holster for it that very evening. Obviously you agree that it is a very intimidating weapon when pointed at your head ... Isn't it?!

I know it probably wasn't fun walking back to wherever you'd come from with that brown sludge in your pants. I'm sure it was even worse walking bare-footed since I made you leave your shoes, cell phone, and wallet with me. [That prevented you from calling or running to your buddies to come help mug us again].

After I called your mother or "Momma" as you had her listed in your cell, I explained the entire episode of what you'd done. Then I went and filled up my gas tank as well as those of four other people in the gas station, -- on your credit card. The guy with the big motor home took 150 gallons and was extremely grateful!

I gave your shoes to a homeless guy outside Vinnie Van Go Go's, along with all the cash in your wallet. [That made his day!]

I then threw your wallet into the big pink "pimp mobile" that was parked at the curb ... After I broke the windshield and side window and keyed the entire driver's side of the car.

Later, I called a bunch of phone sex numbers from your cell phone. Ma Bell just now shut down the line, although I only used the phone for a little over a day now, so what 's going on with that? Earlier, I managed to get in two threatening phone calls to the DA's office and one to the FBI, while mentioning President Obama as my possible target.

The FBI guy seemed really intense and we had a nice long chat (I guess while he traced your number etc.).

In a way, perhaps I should apologize for not killing you ... But I feel this type of retribution is a far more appropriate punishment for your threatened crime.. I wish you well as you try to sort through some of these rather immediate pressing issues, and can only hope that you have the opportunity to reflect upon, and perhaps reconsider, the career path you've chosen to pursue in life.. Remember, next time you might not be so lucky. Have a good day!

Thoughtfully yours,


Alex

An armed society makes for a more civil society!

[GreekGodX]

Thanks for the good laugh Hugh :tu :r

[Catfish]

ROFL. Awesome.

[gettysburgfreak]

If that ad is legit, that is freakin awesome

[dogface_313]

Savannah? I know all the places he listed. There are some mean parts of Savannah that I wouldn't go into at night without a pistol.

[chippewastud79]

If that ad is legit, that is freakin awesome

Its not, and its been posted a few times with small differences, but it is damn funny :tu

[elderboy02]

I got 2 different caliber guns but I'm not going to say what they are until I have them in my possession :D

1 is a .40 and the other a .45.

I know what you bought. Both guns are sweet! :banger

[Tikihut27]

Also what is the difference between a Pre and Post ban upper?

I didn't see an answer to this question- Post-ban uppers usually don't have bayonet lugs and threaded barrels. Some states (like mine- NY) kept the ban on "assault rifles" after the national one expired. General rules are that if it has a detachable magazine you may have one, and only one, of the following:

Folding/collapsable stock
Pistol grip
Threaded bbl
Bayonet lug
Grenade launching adapter

Most people opt for the pistol grip, since most modern rifles look funny without one. Only counts for weapons manufactured after September 14, 1994. Older weapons are grandfathered.

Most mfr's are aware of this and don't want to write off sales to large states like NY, so post-ban configurations are frequently available, as lame as they may be.

[gettysburgfreak]

I didn't see an answer to this question- Post-ban uppers usually don't have bayonet lugs and threaded barrels. Some states (like mine- NY) kept the ban on "assault rifles" after the national one expired. General rules are that if it has a detachable magazine you may have one, and only one, of the following:

Folding/collapsable stock
Pistol grip
Threaded bbl
Bayonet lug
Grenade launching adapter

Most people opt for the pistol grip, since most modern rifles look funny without one. Only counts for weapons manufactured after September 14, 1994. Older weapons are grandfathered.

Most mfr's are aware of this and don't want to write off sales to large states like NY, so post-ban configurations are frequently available, as lame as they may be.


I'm glad you brought this up. I was planning on buying an AR-15 online and had it shipped home in NY for me to pick up. I had a nice DPMS picked out and when I was negotiating with the dealer online he told me I wouldn't be able to get it since I lived in NY. I think I will just pick one up in Texas while I am down there for 10 months.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I'm glad you brought this up. I was planning on buying an AR-15 online and had it shipped home in NY for me to pick up. I had a nice DPMS picked out and when I was negotiating with the dealer online he told me I wouldn't be able to get it since I lived in NY. I think I will just pick one up in Texas while I am down there for 10 months.


Did he give you any reason not to ship it?

[gettysburgfreak]

Did he give you any reason not to ship it?


He said I would have had to change a bunch of things on the gun to comply with NY laws and they were mods that I did not want.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

ohhhh ok. I hate NY and NJ. On a side note. Can a NJ resident purchase in NY?



What do u guys think of this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-EOTECH-516-HOLOGRAPHIC-WEAPON-SIGHT-516-A65-1_W0QQitemZ250562302191QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Defau ltDomain_0?hash=item3a56ad50ef

[M1903A1]

Question...who makes a good, reliable FN-FAL/L1A1/SLR-type rifle? I'd prefer one of the ones made up from surplus parts if possible.

[theonlybear4CORT]

He said I would have had to change a bunch of things on the gun to comply with NY laws and they were mods that I did not want.

So then it would be illegal to have the upper in NY if you bought it out of state rite?

[Tikihut27]

So then it would be illegal to have the upper in NY if you bought it out of state rite?

Only of you have a lower to go with it.

I'd be careful about buying out-of-state. The law is not on buying/selling banned firearms- it's on posession. Best to comply with the law. I buy pre-ban, or modify. Someday I'll move and catch up on everything I've missed.

[gettysburgfreak]

I'm not exactly sure on all the ridiculous laws NY has so I am thinking it will be easier just to buy the exact gun I want in Texas and not have to worry about anything. If I bought an AR-15 out of state and someday moved back home with my parents in NY would my gun be illegal to own?

[JE3146]

I'm not exactly sure on all the ridiculous laws NY has so I am thinking it will be easier just to buy the exact gun I want in Texas and not have to worry about anything. If I bought an AR-15 out of state and someday moved back home with my parents in NY would my gun be illegal to own?

Do yourself a huge favor and please research gun laws for your state.

A HUGE favor.

First off. You can't directly purchase a gun out of state. It has to be purchased, then mailed to an FFL dealer. THEN you go to the FFL and pickup the rifle after your state required background check is completed. Obviously if you buy it in state, it's from an FFL. (The requirement for in state sales are that you are a resident of that state)

The exception is person to person transfers which are not legal in all states, but are only allowed when a resident of a state sells to another resident of that state, within the boundary of that state.

In the case of the AR-15 and NY, it cannot happen if it is either A) Not post-ban compliant (IE compliant to the terms of the 1994 AWB) or B) a pre-ban (IE, a receiver that was registered prior to 1994)

I realize this isn't a gun forum, but please do some research before purchasing an AR-15.

[gettysburgfreak]

Do yourself a huge favor and please research gun laws for your state.

A HUGE favor.

First off. You can't directly purchase a gun out of state. It has to be purchased, then mailed to an FFL dealer. THEN you go to the FFL and pickup the rifle after your state required background check is completed. Obviously if you buy it in state, it's from an FFL. (The requirement for in state sales are that you are a resident of that state)

The exception is person to person transfers which are not legal in all states, but are only allowed when a resident of a state sells to another resident of that state, within the boundary of that state.

In the case of the AR-15 and NY, it cannot happen if it is either A) Not post-ban compliant (IE compliant to the terms of the 1994 AWB) or B) a pre-ban (IE, a receiver that was registered prior to 1994)

I realize this isn't a gun forum, but please do some research before purchasing an AR-15.


Thanks for the tips. I was speaking with some of my firearms instructors and they made it seem like all I had to do was show a Texas drivers license and I would be able to purchase a AR with no problems down in Texas due to their relaxed gun laws.

[Tikihut27]

Thanks for the tips. I was speaking with some of my firearms instructors and they made it seem like all I had to do was show a Texas drivers license and I would be able to purchase a AR with no problems down in Texas due to their relaxed gun laws.

Sure you could. You just can't bring it back to NY.

When you come back up this way, if you are interested in an AR, let me know and I can help. I have built several ban-compliant AR's and am helping someone else with one right now.

[Titan410]

Question...who makes a good, reliable FN-FAL/L1A1/SLR-type rifle? I'd prefer one of the ones made up from surplus parts if possible.

DS Arms makes good stuff. I bought my FAL from a respected FAL builder, Rich at CGW, but he's no longer building them AFAIK.

[gettysburgfreak]

Sure you could. You just can't bring it back to NY.

When you come back up this way, if you are interested in an AR, let me know and I can help. I have built several ban-compliant AR's and am helping someone else with one right now.


I would be interested. I will be home Feb 20th for hopefully 11 days depending on if I get my leave request ok'd.

[M1903A1]

DS Arms makes good stuff. I bought my FAL from a respected FAL builder, Rich at CGW, but he's no longer building them AFAIK.


Do they sell under any particular brand name or have a website? And are there any makers to stay away from? I've heard there's at least one maker (CAI?) whose FALs are often full of problems.

[JE3146]

Thanks for the tips. I was speaking with some of my firearms instructors and they made it seem like all I had to do was show a Texas drivers license and I would be able to purchase a AR with no problems down in Texas due to their relaxed gun laws.

If you live in Texas and have a Texas driver's license, then you can buy a gun in Texas.

But you cannot bring it back to NY in the configuration you buy it in, unless it is post-ban compliant.

[Cigarcop]

Hey any of you Ar guru's, whatcha think about the Troy Industries Rails...I need a 11 or 12" Rail for a project and not exactly sure what direction to go.

Def Rifle length, full free float, one piece, was also thinking DD Light rail for a bit more cashola>

[AAlmeter]

Sure you could. You just can't bring it back to NY.

When you come back up this way, if you are interested in an AR, let me know and I can help. I have built several ban-compliant AR's and am helping someone else with one right now.

I'd also be willing to help. I've built a few now as well and at the very least point you in the direction of a good FFL dealer/gunsmith who can make sure you're NY legal. I'm in the Buffalo area, and my knowledge of good FFLs/gunsmiths is limited to that area. Feel free to PM or email me.

[bonjing]

Hey any of you Ar guru's, whatcha think about the Troy Industries Rails...I need a 11 or 12" Rail for a project and not exactly sure what direction to go.

Def Rifle length, full free float, one piece, was also thinking DD Light rail for a bit more cashola>

from my personal experience I L-O-V-E my DD light rails. I can't seem to explain why but I do. I have the Midwest Industries, in my opinion MI = Troy (they are about the same. I have both the rifle length rails, and the DD rails make my rifle feel lighter and more manageable. My rifle with the MI feels very front heavy and not very maneuverable. The only thing I like from Troy is their sights.

-eta-
spend the extra cash and get the DD, in my opinion. or look at one of Larue's builds.

[Cigarcop]

This is going on my 6.5 Grendel, pics a few pages back and will most likely only be shot in the prone position of Bipod.

[Diesel Kinevel]

Troy is top of the line IMO. I have never heard anything bad about any of their products.

-Z

[JE3146]

Troy is top of the line IMO. I have never heard anything bad about any of their products.

-Z

I wouldn't say top, but definitely close.

They're quality in my book. :tu

[Cigarcop]

I wouldn't say top, but definitely close.

They're quality in my book. :tu


Its about time you chimed in Jordan!!!

Yeah I thought they were in the middle range and wanted something a bit better than YH not didn't need Larue, so I was thinking DD or the Troy.

Thanks guys

[JE3146]

Its about time you chimed in Jordan!!!

Yeah I thought they were in the middle range and wanted something a bit better than YH not didn't need Larue, so I was thinking DD or the Troy.

Thanks guys

Been a bit busy lately. Sorry :D

Larue is overkill(price) for most applications, but I'd consider them one of the top rail producers on the market. Hard to beat their customer service as well.

I'd rate DD and Troy about on par with each other. I honestly don't think you could go wrong with either of them. I'd give the edge to whatever style your looking at with the best price. :tu

[tuxpuff]

any suggestions for a home security 12 gauge? I haven't owned a firearm since I was about 15.
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[0002S]

any suggestions for a home security 12 gauge? I haven't owned a firearm since I was about 15.
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Remington 870 or Mossberg 590

Either will do

[okieRob]

Remington 870 or Mossberg 590

Either will do

I love my 870 super mag. A synthetic stock for dragging through the duck pond and it will take 3.5 inch goose shells. It isn't fancy but it is rock solid.

[JE3146]

any suggestions for a home security 12 gauge? I haven't owned a firearm since I was about 15.
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Remington 870HD

Comes all prepped to be a decent home defense shottie.

I'd recommend a round of birdshot followed by some 00 Buck.

[0002S]

I suggest a slug to shoot through a wall/door followed by 00 defensive buck. But...that's just me.

[AAlmeter]

I'd recommend a round of birdshot followed by some 00 Buck.

This makes me curious.....


I agree on the 870. Both the 870 and 500 are ultra reliable shotguns. I prefer the 870.

[tuxpuff]

This makes me curious.....

Warning shot maybe? :D

[tuxpuff]

Do you have to buy shotguns locally? No online selling? Sorry I'm a total newb!

[AAlmeter]

Warning shot maybe? :D

Thats what I figured. Be sure to check local laws. Here in NY, if you even think of demonstrating lethal force, you best be in a position where it is absolutely necessary and your life (or another's) is in immediate jeopardy. (yeah yeah, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6)

Because of that, I start off with 00, and if that doesn't do the trick....slugs. Hopefully the whole getup turns out to be nothing bust a dust collector though...

[AAlmeter]

Do you have to buy shotguns locally? No online selling? Sorry I'm a total newb!

Either or. To buy one online, you would need to it have shipped to a local FFL (dealer) who will then transfer it to you. Honestly though, for an 870 or 500, your best deal will likely be at a Dick's or similar large sporting goods store. Last I looked, they stocked the HD shotguns and I think even had a marine version there. They tend to get great prices on common guns like that because they deal in such volume.

[tuxpuff]

Thats what I figured. Be sure to check local laws. Here in NY, if you even think of demonstrating lethal force, you best be in a position where it is absolutely necessary and your life (or another's) is in immediate jeopardy. (yeah yeah, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6)

Because of that, I start off with 00, and if that doesn't do the trick....slugs. Hopefully the whole getup turns out to be nothing bust a dust collector though...

I think it's pretty much the wild west here in Texas. If you remember a few years back a guy was watching over his neighbors house and seen guys stealing from it and shot them dead. They let him go. Don't rob a house in Texas!

[tuxpuff]

Either or. To buy one online, you would need to it have shipped to a local FFL (dealer) who will then transfer it to you. Honestly though, for an 870 or 500, your best deal will likely be at a Dick's or similar large sporting goods store. Last I looked, they stocked the HD shotguns and I think even had a marine version there. They tend to get great prices on common guns like that because they deal in such volume.

OK great...thanks for the info! One last question...is there a waiting period when buying a shotgun? I'm in no rush but would be interested in knowing. Thanks!

[GreekGodX]

Anybody have any thoughts on a HK 45c?? My local store has a like new one for 889. They said it has been fired once. Good deal? I've only shot the full size 45.

[AAlmeter]

OK great...thanks for the info! One last question...is there a waiting period when buying a shotgun? I'm in no rush but would be interested in knowing. Thanks!

Nothing federally mandated. Nothing in NY, and I sure as hell would assume there would be no waiting period in TX, but I've never lived there so I can't say for sure. You will be required to go through an instant background check (if yo buy from a dealer) though. Assuming you have a clean record, are a citizen, and there's no confusion (you aren't the 98378th Bob Smith in your town), its usually a 15 minute process from starting the paperwork to getting your approval.

[tuxpuff]

Nothing federally mandated. Nothing in NY, and I sure as hell would assume there would be no waiting period in TX, but I've never lived there so I can't say for sure. You will be required to go through an instant background check (if yo buy from a dealer) though. Assuming you have a clean record, are a citizen, and there's no confusion (you aren't the 98378th Bob Smith in your town), its usually a 15 minute process from starting the paperwork to getting your approval.

Cool..thanks again for the info!

[Diesel Kinevel]

Cool..thanks again for the info!

make sure you get a light source to go on that scattergun you pick up. You can't effectively engage what you cannot see. You need to identify your target before you engage anyway...

-Z

[JE3146]

This makes me curious.....


I agree on the 870. Both the 870 and 500 are ultra reliable shotguns. I prefer the 870.

Consider the idea of a bad guy (from now on labeled as BG) running through your house with a gun. BG isn't going to stand still. 00 penetrates drywall quite well. If you live with a family or in close proximity to neighbors, it's not advisable to be taking crackshots at a BG when your consistently changing backdrop can leave people in danger considering the penetration of 00. Birdshot is enough to F a person up, but likely not kill them unless you hit them dead center from sub 10 yards with a cylinder choke. Either way, if you wing them, odds are they're going to drop like a brick. In the event they don't and continue to pose a threat. A near stationary and threat imposing target will be easily taken care of with a 00 followup.

That's my philosophy. Critique it as you feel necessary.

[HK3-]

:D Good reading guys.

[replicant_argent]

Cool..thanks again for the info!

Luke, a great resource is http://www.galleryofguns.com/.
You can select a firearm, shop the exact model you want, pump in your zipcode, and it will give you instant quotes for them to ship to your local FFL dealers, painless, and you will probably find a pretty good deal. Not only are you mostly supporting local mom and pops instead of big box stores, may help you find some great local shops you never heard of.



Oh yeah, they have a lifetime guarantee when you purchase from them.


"At Davidson's, your satisfaction is our commitment. In fact, our commitment is so strong, that we have put together the only GuaranteeDSM Lifetime Replacement Warranty available in the firearms industry.

It works like this......

If anything ever goes wrong with any gun you buy with the Davidson's GuaranteeDSM Lifetime Replacement Warranty, it will be replaced. If no replacement is available, it will be repaired at no charge to you. Simple, just return it to the GuaranteeDSM retailer where you purchased it, pay for the return shipping and upon receipt Davidson's will ship you * BRAND NEW GUN.

So make sure every firearm you purchase works for you.
Ask for the GuaranteeDSM Lifetime Replacement Warranty. "

That's a pretty strong commitment to your continued satisfaction, in my book.

[AAlmeter]

Consider the idea of a bad guy (from now on labeled as BG) running through your house with a gun. BG isn't going to stand still. 00 penetrates drywall quite well. If you live with a family or in close proximity to neighbors, it's not advisable to be taking crackshots at a BG when your consistently changing backdrop can leave people in danger considering the penetration of 00. Birdshot is enough to F a person up, but likely not kill them unless you hit them dead center from sub 10 yards with a cylinder choke. Either way, if you wing them, odds are they're going to drop like a brick. In the event they don't and continue to pose a threat. A near stationary and threat imposing target will be easily taken care of with a 00 followup.

That's my philosophy. Critique it as you feel necessary.

Sounds reasonable.

In my particular situation, the prime places for a confrontation are confined, so there would be no lateral movement. If BG is running towards me, 00. If he's running away, no shot and hopefully the cops catch him.

[0002S]

jm2c and not a reflection on anybody's plans or choices.

1. If a situation ever occurred (chances are it won't) one should have already thought out a plan and at the very minimum practiced it in his/her head.
2. One should have at a very minimum fired the weapon with the actual load they would use.

*if this ever really happens you are going to be disoriented, scared and on a adrenalin high.

I set a plan up where the weapon is handy and ready to go (this may not work with children around). I set zones at which point should an intruder come past that line I would react. If the intruder never crosses that line or doesn't threaten me, well....that's what the police and insurance are for.

For me that line is the door frame to the bed room. It is a white frame and easy to see in complete darkness. I have my wife grab a pistol and go into the bathroom (call police) and wait for me. I kneel with the bed as cover with a shotgun.

If somebody comes through the bedroom door (remember white frame), I shoot for center mass of white frame with 00 Buck. I shoot to put the threat completely down. I would not shoot to "wing".

If somebody is attempting to enter the main door and I happen to be able to wake up with time to react, I do the following. Have my wife grab a pistol, go in the bathroom and call police. I get the shotgun, load one round slug followed by 00 buck. I then position myself behind couch with clear shot at door. The slug will go through a metal security door and the 00 buck would take care of anything else.

Access threat and threat level, wash, rinse, repeat and/or wait for Police.

Reality....this will never happen as the odds are greatly in my favor of never being rob/assulted....but I like to know I have a plan.


Word to the wise. Dead people don't sue in civil court.


everybody has a plan until they get hit

[replicant_argent]

Word to the wise. Dead people don't sue in civil court.




All good points... But remember, the BGs family, can, and do sue. And sometimes they win, even though their family member was threatening a life.
the justice system sometimes doesn't work. Still, better alive and broke, or in jail than the alternative.

[floydpink]

jm2c and not a reflection on anybody's plans or choices.

1. If a situation ever occurred (chances are it won't) one should have already thought out a plan and at the very minimum practiced it in his/her head.
2. One should have at a very minimum fired the weapon with the actual load they would use.

*if this ever really happens you are going to be disoriented, scared and on a adrenalin high.

I set a plan up where the weapon is handy and ready to go (this may not work with children around). I set zones at which point should an intruder come past that line I would react. If the intruder never crosses that line or doesn't threaten me, well....that's what the police and insurance are for.

For me that line is the door frame to the bed room. It is a white frame and easy to see in complete darkness. I have my wife grab a pistol and go into the bathroom (call police) and wait for me. I kneel with the bed as cover with a shotgun.

If somebody comes through the bedroom door (remember white frame), I shoot for center mass of white frame with 00 Buck. I shoot to put the threat completely down. I would not shoot to "wing".

If somebody is attempting to enter the main door and I happen to be able to wake up with time to react, I do the following. Have my wife grab a pistol, go in the bathroom and call police. I get the shotgun, load one round slug followed by 00 buck. I then position myself behind couch with clear shot at door. The slug will go through a metal security door and the 00 buck would take care of anything else.

Access threat and threat level, wash, rinse, repeat and/or wait for Police.

Reality....this will never happen as the odds are greatly in my favor of never being rob/assulted....but I like to know I have a plan.


Word to the wise. Dead people don't sue in civil court.


everybody has a plan until they get hit

You must not live in the same part of Orlando as me then. I don't even walk my dog without a gun in my pants.

Come at me or my family and you aren't testifying in court. Guaranteed. (not YOU personally, just any scumbag that makes the front page headlines daily in my local newspaper.)

Main plan in my head is not to speak without a lawyer with the exception of, "I was scared for my life."

I'm not a vigilante or a toughguy, just a firm supporter of my second ammendment rights and tired of the crap I see every day and will never let my ccw expire.

Guy walked into the Kangaroo convenience store near my house a few weeks ago and tried to rob the pregnant girl working the register at gunpoint. A good samaritan blew the bg's brains out and deserves a medal for it.

As much as I'd like a few AR's and such, a gunvault on my nightstand holding a loaded 38 and a very well hidden Mossberg shotgun and motion sensors and 2 way alarms make me feel safer at night. With children in my house, that's as much as I feel comfortable with.

[GreekGodX]

Anybody have any thoughts on a HK 45c?? My local store has a like new one for 889. They said it has been fired once. Good deal? I've only shot the full size 45.

Reposting this since I got caught in the middle of a gun fight (full pun intended :))

[JE3146]

jm2c and not a reflection on anybody's plans or choices.

1. If a situation ever occurred (chances are it won't) one should have already thought out a plan and at the very minimum practiced it in his/her head.
2. One should have at a very minimum fired the weapon with the actual load they would use.

*if this ever really happens you are going to be disoriented, scared and on a adrenalin high.

I set a plan up where the weapon is handy and ready to go (this may not work with children around). I set zones at which point should an intruder come past that line I would react. If the intruder never crosses that line or doesn't threaten me, well....that's what the police and insurance are for.

For me that line is the door frame to the bed room. It is a white frame and easy to see in complete darkness. I have my wife grab a pistol and go into the bathroom (call police) and wait for me. I kneel with the bed as cover with a shotgun.

If somebody comes through the bedroom door (remember white frame), I shoot for center mass of white frame with 00 Buck. I shoot to put the threat completely down. I would not shoot to "wing".

If somebody is attempting to enter the main door and I happen to be able to wake up with time to react, I do the following. Have my wife grab a pistol, go in the bathroom and call police. I get the shotgun, load one round slug followed by 00 buck. I then position myself behind couch with clear shot at door. The slug will go through a metal security door and the 00 buck would take care of anything else.

Access threat and threat level, wash, rinse, repeat and/or wait for Police.

Reality....this will never happen as the odds are greatly in my favor of never being rob/assulted....but I like to know I have a plan.


Word to the wise. Dead people don't sue in civil court.


everybody has a plan until they get hit

Neither do I ;) I imposed the scenario as a hypothetical with a contingency in the event the shot didn't drop them.

I trust my shot placement enough to be comfortable with birdshot on the first shot. For the record, I'm not talking #7/8, I'm talking #3.

What I don't like the idea of is a lateral shot that I cannot take because of a backdrop. A situation that gives the BG the upper hand and leaves the shotgun in my hand useless unless I maneuver or he moves.

And while I'm completely confident in my shot placement. The probability of putting all 8-12 00 pellots completely on target... lets just say I've taken enough probability in college to know that's a bit of a stretch to assume you'll have maximum hits on target.

Regardless of any of this, if the BG turns tail and runs, good luck winning in court if you shoot him in the back. (This depends on state laws)



And for the record... your plan works unless you have kids. Food for thought.

[tuxpuff]

Great discussion guys! Back on the 870...do they not make the HD model anymore? On the Remington site I only see the Express models which look similar (and a ton of them at that!)

[0002S]

Neither do I ;) I imposed the scenario as a hypothetical with a contingency in the event the shot didn't drop them.

I trust my shot placement enough to be comfortable with birdshot on the first shot. For the record, I'm not talking #7/8, I'm talking #3.

What I don't like the idea of is a lateral shot that I cannot take because of a backdrop. A situation that gives the BG the upper hand and leaves the shotgun in my hand useless unless I maneuver or he moves.

And while I'm completely confident in my shot placement. The probability of putting all 8-12 00 pellots completely on target... lets just say I've taken enough probability in college to know that's a bit of a stretch to assume you'll have maximum hits on target.

Regardless of any of this, if the BG turns tail and runs, good luck winning in court if you shoot him in the back. (This depends on state laws)



And for the record... your plan works unless you have kids. Food for thought.

The main reason I don't like bird shot is that will not penetrate through heavy clothing or leather at reasonable distances and has no real kinetic energy when it hits the target.

The real issue to have a weapon your comfortable with using, a plan of what you would do, and some reasonable amount of practice with the weapon.

[0002S]

You must not live in the same part of Orlando as me then. I don't even walk my dog without a gun in my pants.

Come at me or my family and you aren't testifying in court. Guaranteed. (not YOU personally, just any scumbag that makes the front page headlines daily in my local newspaper.)

Main plan in my head is not to speak without a lawyer with the exception of, "I was scared for my life."

I'm not a vigilante or a toughguy, just a firm supporter of my second ammendment rights and tired of the crap I see every day and will never let my ccw expire.

Guy walked into the Kangaroo convenience store near my house a few weeks ago and tried to rob the pregnant girl working the register at gunpoint. A good samaritan blew the bg's brains out and deserves a medal for it.

As much as I'd like a few AR's and such, a gunvault on my nightstand holding a loaded 38 and a very well hidden Mossberg shotgun and motion sensors and 2 way alarms make me feel safer at night. With children in my house, that's as much as I feel comfortable with.

I live downtown and I carry at night. (although it's not that dangerous if you keep on the main streets, in well lit areas, & during party hours) I always carry a baton with me in a side pouch in a messenger bag during the day.

Considering the amount of bums that live around here, I've never seen a fight or altercation. Even on the crazy nights like Halloween, it's just plain drunken debauchery and nudity.

[JE3146]

The real issue to have a weapon your comfortable with using, a plan of what you would do, and some reasonable amount of practice with the weapon.

:tu

[JE3146]

Great discussion guys! Back on the 870...do they not make the HD model anymore? On the Remington site I only see the Express models which look similar (and a ton of them at that!)

Not sure to be honest... I bought my HD years ago.

I'm pretty sure this is it... just with a different name.

http://remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/model-870/model-870-express-synthetic-7-round.aspx

[okieRob]

Holy Cow! I think they have expanded the 870 line in recent years. There is like 50 options now.

I have the 870 Super Mag Synthetic. I love it. It is a hunting model - only holds 5 rounds "unplugged"

[Mark C]

And while I'm completely confident in my shot placement. The probability of putting all 8-12 00 pellots completely on target... lets just say I've taken enough probability in college to know that's a bit of a stretch to assume you'll have maximum hits on target.

That's why I use 3" #4 buckshot. 41 pellets. From the ballistics research I've read, and the ranges in my home, that seems like a good compromise between stopping power, pattern, and penetration.

[JE3146]

That's why I use 3" #4 buckshot. 41 pellets. From the ballistics research I've read, and the ranges in my home, that seems like a good compromise between stopping power, pattern, and penetration.

Have you tested it to prove the research though?

[floydpink]

wow, the Mexican drug lords are not only well armed, but also gold plating their Uzis...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/mexico_drug_lords_3028.jpg

guess when the money piles up, you gotta find some way to spend it...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/mexico_drug_lords_2111.jpg

[replicant_argent]

Looks decidedly more AK-ish than Uzi-ish... but it shore is purty..:r
That surface is a fingerprint technicians wet dream I imagine.

http://www.helstongunsmiths.com/shop/images/Picture-055.jpg

[Mark C]

Have you tested it to prove the research though?

Patterns nice. My wife won't let me shoot in the house, so I can't test penetration, and I can't convince anyone to stand on the business end of the gun to test stopping power, so negative on that one also. Guess I'll just have to trust what others have done.

[0002S]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot17.htm

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot22.htm



Interesting article and site

[JE3146]

Patterns nice. My wife won't let me shoot in the house, so I can't test penetration, and I can't convince anyone to stand on the business end of the gun to test stopping power, so negative on that one also. Guess I'll just have to trust what others have done.

:r!

Get a chunk of drywall from Home Depot or something. That's what I did to test penetration. 2 layers with an air gap from some 2x4's provide a nice simulation. Just set up a piece of paper on the opposite end about 6 inches past that and have at her :D

[Mark C]

:r!

Get a chunk of drywall from Home Depot or something. That's what I did to test penetration. 2 layers with an air gap from some 2x4's provide a nice simulation. Just set up a piece of paper on the opposite end about 6 inches past that and have at her :D

Would love to, but I haven't found a range nearby that would let me shoot anything other than paper targets and clays. Maybe I'll keep a setup in the car for the days when nobody's around. Since I think that rule is geared at 'reactive targets', maybe they wouldn't mind...

Here's another site for shotgun load info:
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=109958

[gettysburgfreak]

wow, the Mexican drug lords are not only well armed, but also gold plating their Uzis...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/mexico_drug_lords_3028.jpg

guess when the money piles up, you gotta find some way to spend it...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/mexico_drug_lords_2111.jpg


That picture reminds me of a picture they showed us here at the academy. It was a mexican drug lords house they raided and it had a room containing 230 million dollars worth of cash stacked up. Just plain ridiculous.

[AAlmeter]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot17.htm

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot22.htm



Interesting article and site

"Old Painless" does some great work. I have access to a great variety of shotguns and plan on doing a lot of shotgun testing for both hunting and home defense purposes once it gets back up into double digit temperatures here in Buffalo. I'll surely post results to this thread and if anyone has any suggestions/theories/questions they'd like tried out, I'll be sure to give them a whirl. The first one to go is the accuracy of a rifled slug out of a rifled barrel. OP touched on this, but if his results are repeatable, it could mean a lot to hunters in my area who are stuck with slugs only.

[elderboy02]

"Old Painless" does some great work. I have access to a great variety of shotguns and plan on doing a lot of shotgun testing for both hunting and home defense purposes once it gets back up into double digit temperatures here in Buffalo. I'll surely post results to this thread and if anyone has any suggestions/theories/questions they'd like tried out, I'll be sure to give them a whirl. The first one to go is the accuracy of a rifled slug out of a rifled barrel. OP touched on this, but if his results are repeatable, it could mean a lot to hunters in my area who are stuck with slugs only.

I love Old Painless' work. He is a great guy.

[357]

That picture reminds me of a picture they showed us here at the academy. It was a mexican drug lords house they raided and it had a room containing 230 million dollars worth of cash stacked up. Just plain ridiculous.

They didn't find it stacked that way. It was hidden in the walls, etc. Here's the full story:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp

[GreekGodX]

So I wonder if anyone skimmed any cream off the top of that big pile 'o money :D

[Deputy]

I love guns. My first gun was a Glock 22....haven't looked back since!

[Cigarcop]

So I wonder if anyone skimmed any cream off the top of that big pile 'o money :D


Ahhh, what I could do with just one row :(

[gettysburgfreak]

They didn't find it stacked that way. It was hidden in the walls, etc. Here's the full story:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/crime/drugmoney.asp



Thanks for the article, that was indeed the picture they showed us, pretty cool to read the full story.

[M1903A1]

wow, the Mexican drug lords are not only well armed, but also gold plating their Uzis...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/mexico_drug_lords_3028.jpg

guess when the money piles up, you gotta find some way to spend it...

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/mexico_drug_lords_2111.jpg

Reminds me of what somebody did to a 1941 Johnson rifle (a $3000+ collector's piece in good original form) that I saw at a show last fall. :pu :pu :pu

[357]

Thanks for the article, that was indeed the picture they showed us, pretty cool to read the full story.

NP. It's a pretty crazy story. The guy got away...for a while.

[Tikihut27]

My new toy from a show this past weekend. Always wanted one.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/IMG_0024.jpg

[Wolfgang]

Looking to help mt gun fund. Thought I would let you all in on it.

Spyderco Persistence FS (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=28268)

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I finally got my Del-Ton upper. It fits like a glove and the finish its pretty much perfect. There is only one spot by the flash suppressor that is very slightly showing thru but I would have to say its just from assembly and handling. Other than that I could not be happier. It took about 13 days total to order it, build it, and ship it from NC. :tu

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/DSC01056-1.jpg

[elderboy02]

I finally got my Del-Ton upper. It fits like a glove and the finish its pretty much perfect. There is only one spot by the flash suppressor that is very slightly showing thru but I would have to say its just from assembly and handling. Other than that I could not be happier. It took about 13 days total to order it, build it, and ship it from NC. :tu

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/DSC01056-1.jpg

Nice!

[elderboy02]

Here is my latest purchase. AR15.com 2 years ago had the idea of making some lowers. 2 years later, they offered them to lifetime members 1st. I requested #69 :) Just picked this up today. Oh yeah, everytime they do the instant background check, I just am so happy I wasn't old enough to buy guns back in the day when you had to wait days for the background check.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/AR15com%20Lower/IMG_0427.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/AR15com%20Lower/IMG_0432.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/AR15com%20Lower/IMG_0433.jpg

[bonjing]

elderboy, do they still have that lower available? I have the urge to build something new. I'm looking for a sundevil and maybe a mega.

[elderboy02]

elderboy, do they still have that lower available? I have the urge to build something new. I'm looking for a sundevil and maybe a mega.

Us lifetime members got the 1st shot at them. Now that is finished and they will be selling some. See Goatboy's post on this page for more info: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=996698&page=4 Hope this helps :tu

[GreekGodX]

I'd imagine this would be a quality start for an AR :hm Might have to look into this..

[Ender]

Anybody have any thoughts on a HK 45c?? My local store has a like new one for 889. They said it has been fired once. Good deal? I've only shot the full size 45.

Hey Christos! I just found this thread. Wish I found it earlier. Anyway, I've shot that HK .45c before. It's good for a compact. Just more difficult to be accurate as the full size. Obviously that's goes for most compacts but if you needed a compact in a .45 then I suggest it. I LOVE the HK .45.

[bonjing]

Us lifetime members got the 1st shot at them. Now that is finished and they will be selling some. See Goatboy's post on this page for more info: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=996698&page=4 Hope this helps :tu

Thanks elderboy! ! ! hope they have plans to sell to california, we'd probably buy them out!

[Col. Kurtz]

My Valentine's day present from the wife. Never been much on Taurus, but I just couldn't resist this little thing. 709 Slim, single stack 9mm. Great carry gun.

It is very comfortable both IWB and in a pancake.

So far, I love it. Now I just need 300 rounds through it so I'll have confidence in it.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc267/jdubx2/DSCN9018.jpg

Edit,

Just got a little misty putting my trusty 92FS in the safe.....

[replicant_argent]

http://www.fnhusa.com/le/products/firearms/model.asp?fid=FNF011&gid=FNG006&mid=FNM0138#
Daddy want... a Bullpup poodle shooter that accepts M-16 mags. Looks like a prop from a Sci-Fi movie.

at 2200 bucks... maybe not. Yet....

[elderboy02]

Nice pickup Col.

[replicant_argent]

and a great warranty, too, Jerry, nice.

[SvilleKid]

Not my first, by any means, but one I've kinda been looking for. Just picked up a S&W model 19. .357 Magnum. Stainless steel, 3 inch barrel. New old stock. New in original box. Never fired. Never opened. Never even had cylinder spun. No spin ring on cylinder.

Haven't decided if I'll open, load and shoot it, or leave it in new condition. I've been watching for a .357 revolver for a while as a shooter, so I'm kinda leaning towards using the gun.

[Snapperhead]

That Taurus slim is nice. I have the mil Pro 9mm and I love mine. It shoots great and I have not had a FTF yet (2500 Rounds). I just wish it had a rail to mount a light/laser.

[Pilon]

That Taurus slim is nice. I have the mil Pro 9mm and I love mine. It shoots great and I have not had a FTF yet (2500 Rounds). I just wish it had a rail to mount a light/laser.

Too bad they don't have a Crimson Trace Laser Grip for it.

[theonlybear4CORT]

Got my trijicon ns back from www.xd-hs2000.com man I really dig them. also if you have a xd trust these guys for your sight install there a class act :tu

[DeltaUpsilon]

Here is my latest purchase. AR15.com 2 years ago had the idea of making some lowers. 2 years later, they offered them to lifetime members 1st. I requested #69 :) Just picked this up today. Oh yeah, everytime they do the instant background check, I just am so happy I wasn't old enough to buy guns back in the day when you had to wait days for the background check.

[IMG]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/AR15com%20Lower/IMG_0427.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/AR15com%20Lower/IMG_0432.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/AR15com%20Lower/IMG_0433.jpg[IMG]

Elderboy,
That is an AWESOME lower. I'm a team member for several years on ARFCOM but just made my way over to this forum.

But I know posts can be worthless without pics, so allow me to produce a little ATF pic I took tonight :D:

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo149/Ritki/Guns/ATF.jpg

[elderboy02]

Elderboy,
That is an AWESOME lower. I'm a team member for several years on ARFCOM but just made my way over to this forum.

But I know posts can be worthless without pics, so allow me to produce a little ATF pic I took tonight :D:

http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo149/Ritki/Guns/ATF.jpg

Nice!

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Im thinking up picking up a Spikes .22 conversion for my AR but I have also looked at the CMMG and Ciener. Ive heard good things about all three but what would you guys go with for quality? Im just using this for plinking/ground hogs and such.

Is a conversion kit really less accurate than a dedicated .22 rifle cause .22 is a hair smaller than the .223 barrel?

My second option is to pick up a S&W M&P 15-22. The Spikes is around $200 and comes with 2 15 round mags (I hate NJ). The 15-22 is around $500 I believe.

[J0eybb]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sm0key369/Guns/img_0967.jpg

[JE3146]

That it? :r













:tu

[TheManWithNoName]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sm0key369/Guns/img_0967.jpg

My head just exploded :dr

[Snapperhead]

Too bad they don't have a Crimson Trace Laser Grip for it.

I saw a ad in a gun mag about the sight lasers now....a standard dove tail would work. I was going to look into this.....the pics do not look bad....

Link to Sights (http://www.laserlyte.com/)

[elderboy02]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sm0key369/Guns/img_0967.jpg

Very nice! :tu

[Eagle53]

H&K USP-C 9MM
Beretta Model 948- .22
Browning Automatic Shotguns 12 &16 ga. Both made in Belgium and over 80 years old

[hotreds]

http://images.media.nscdn.com/phpThumb.php?src=http://fatpita.net/images/image%20(1599).jpg&w=400&h=1000

[J0eybb]

That it? :r













:tu
Nope

[Darrell]

My head just exploded :dr

You obviously have not seen Ratters collection. :r

[bonjing]

http://images.media.nscdn.com/phpThumb.php?src=http://fatpita.net/images/image%20(1599).jpg&w=400&h=1000

Wish I had one of those, keltec that is. Boss had one and it was fun to shoot. 40S&W with the glock big sticks :dr

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Well I got both my tax returns back and would like to buy a .22 semi auto.

Im thinking of either a Ruger 10/22 or the S&W M&P15-22.

If I get the Ruger I would either get another shotgun like an 870 and bank the rest. Or skip the shotgun and put the rest towards the car payment.

If I get the S&W I would only buy that and save the rest/car payment.

I just want this for fun and plinking. I have heard that the new 10/22's arent so accurate without a better barrel and trigger group and all that stuff, is this true?

Opinions? Opinions on other rifles like marlin, savage?

[elderboy02]

I have a 10/22 and it isn't modified at all. It is plenty accurate. I also have a Rem 870 shotgun, so I would lean toward the 10/22, 870 express combo :tu :gn

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Well I broke down and ordered a NJ compliant S&W M&M 15-22

Should be in tomorrow!

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=751501&sectionId=10002

[bigpedunn]

bushmaster

[elderboy02]

Well I broke down and ordered a NJ compliant S&W M&M 15-22

Should be in tomorrow!

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=751501&sectionId=10002

Very cool. :tu It must suck though to live in a state like NJ or CA that has those bulls--t laws.

[elderboy02]

bushmaster

Nice! What optic is that?

[bigpedunn]

Super Sniper you can only order them direct fron the factory

[druturn]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c322/Sm0key369/Guns/img_0967.jpg

Note to self: When zombie attacks occur, quickly head to J0eybb's house.

[bonjing]

Note to self: When zombie attacks occur, quickly head to J0eybb's house.

not enough ammo :D :fu

[J0eybb]

This reminds me. I have to go to UPS to pick up an upper today...

[0002S]

I found a stripped lower I forgot I had when looking a through packed box of reloading equipment. I scrounged up an old stock....added one DPMS parts kit and now I have another complete lower in search of a upper. HMMMM.....now....what upper?

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Man%20Cave/IMG_0536.jpg

[bonjing]

what kind of lower do you have there?

[captain53]

not enough ammo :D :fu

Yep looks like a lot of ammo but that is only about 10 minutes worth at most in that aresenal~ great collection.:tf

[0002S]

what kind of lower do you have there?

Armalite

[theonlybear4CORT]

Got some Trijicons added and a Hogue grip on the xd.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/185/017nxn.jpg

[elderboy02]

Trijicons should be required on all guns. Nice! :gn

[theonlybear4CORT]

Thanks Dan I'm a believer of the trijicons now.

[J0eybb]

My daughters bedroom door. She confiscated my AAC sticker. I just got my brakeout mount.

http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af63/J0eybb/IMG_5199.jpg

[Cigarcop]

My newest Toy...18" 308

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0248.jpg

[elderboy02]

Very nice! I have always wanted a .308, but there are only 25yd indoor ranges near me.

[Cigarcop]

Very nice! I have always wanted a .308, but there are only 25yd indoor ranges near me.


Yeah, it would be a little overkill!!!

[Tikihut27]

Decided to learn how to build my own AK's this year. Here are my first two attempts. It is challenging to keep both 922r compliant (http://home.comcast.net/~navy87guy/home/922r.html) and ban compliant (NY kept the failed federal ban as a state ban), but enough US parts and pre-ban mags are available.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/IMG_0066.jpg

This here is a Hungarian AMD-65 on a NODAK Spud NDS-3 receiver. Since the folding stock an AMD-65 comes with is illegal here in NY, I opted for a US made stock. So for those of you interested, the compliance parts are the trigger, hammer, sear, buttstock, pistol grip and receiver. the barrel is a converted Romanian.

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm386/gsmilligan/IMG_0068.jpg

Just finished this today. Bulgarian AK-74 on a NODAK Spud NDS-2 receiver. It turned out rather nicely, I think. Compliance parts for this one are trigger, hammer, sear, barrel, receiver, and pistol grip.

Next up is an Egyptian Maadi.

[JE3146]

My newest Toy...18" 308

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0248.jpg

That stock is worth more than my precision rifle and optic.... I hate you :r

[elderboy02]

Very nice all!

[elderboy02]

I finally got around to building my AR15.com lower and the rifle is now complete, minus the optic. I want to throw some CLP on it and then I will post pics soon. :gn

[bonjing]

I finally got around to building my AR15.com lower and the rifle is now complete, minus the optic. I want to throw some CLP on it and then I will post pics soon. :gn

I cant wait to DROS mine, It's sitting in the shop waiting for me :D.

[weak_link]

Hey Greg is there any version of THIS (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SW811011&groupid=11) we can have in CA?
Ammo prices are great, do you know much about this round? I spent some time poking around online and it looks like the 5.45x39 ballistics are very similar to the 5.56. What do you or others know?

I love my AR in 5.56 but it a little expensive to run these days.

[elderboy02]

I cant wait to DROS mine, It's sitting in the shop waiting for me :D.

What is DROS?

[icehog3]

Dealer's Record of Sale.

[elderboy02]

Dealer's Record of Sale.

Is that something just CA has to do because of the gun laws there?

[elderboy02]

I finally got around to building my AR15.com lower and the rifle is now complete, minus the optic. I want to throw some CLP on it and then I will post pics soon. :gn

I am also waiting on my castle nut wrench to show up b/c the stock has some play in it right now.

[icehog3]

Is that something just CA has to do because of the gun laws there?

I thought it was a federal requirement, but I might be mistaken.

[bonjing]

Hey Greg is there any version of THIS (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SW811011&groupid=11) we can have in CA?
Ammo prices are great, do you know much about this round? I spent some time poking around online and it looks like the 5.45x39 ballistics are very similar to the 5.56. What do you or others know?

I love my AR in 5.56 but it a little expensive to run these days.


Find the mag for it and it's good to go :tu ! S&W is off list


Upper

http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=17&products_id=663

Complete

http://www.coldwarshooters.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=661

[loki]

Got some Trijicons added and a Hogue grip on the xd.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/185/017nxn.jpg

is that the 4"? if so i've got the same one in .40 I'm considering stippling the grip but haven't decided yet

[bonjing]

Is that something just CA has to do because of the gun laws there?

Not sure it it's just California :confused: sorry.

[theonlybear4CORT]

Yeah loki it is the service (4 inch) I bought a Pachmayr tactical sleeve and if you want it pm me. I liked the hogue a little bit better personally,but its not a knock against the pachy.

[loki]

sent ya a pm mike

[Cigarcop]

23 days without a post :hm

Alright, .338 Norma Mag :) Lets see some more toys guys!!

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/DSC_0256.jpg

[Mark C]

This is a web pic, but it's close to my new project:
http://www.aotactical.com/gallery/StagSuperV6.jpg

It's a Stag Model 6H upper, mine will be mounted on a Spike's Tactical lower (part of a group buy, I think the final tally was 144 lowers, long live the second ammendment!), with a Bushnell 4-12x40 mounted on a Burris PEPR. Buttstock will be whatever's cheap for now, Magpul PRS when I get some more cash.

[elderboy02]

Nice stuff guys!

[nomadicwookie]

Remington 870, WASR-10 AK-47 that I tweaked a bit, Glock 19. My old reliables:D Sorry about the crappy pics. All I've got right now is my camera phone

[bigpedunn]

Dpms

[loki]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z181/cigarmanpa/IMG00333.jpg

ya seen one xd ya seen em all

[Wolfgang]

Remington 870, WASR-10 AK-47 that I tweaked a bit, Glock 19. My old reliables:D Sorry about the crappy pics. All I've got right now is my camera phone

forget the guns! If I saw those slippers all youd see is elbows and ashh0les. :tu

[smokeyandthebandit05]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/cars022.jpg

Nothin too new, just a better stock. I love this rifle once all the stuff got worked out

[looking for know]

For fun: .458 SOCOM
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5617/openur2.jpg

Newest member of the family: Colt Defender
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8481/img0054j.jpg

[elderboy02]

:dr Nice guns! :gn

[looking for know]

L1A1 straight from the Falklands:
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2782/img0005np.jpg

[weak_link]

My father hasn't touched a firearm since he was in the Coast Guard 40 years ago. He finally decided to come out with me to meet up with some friends at the range this past Saturday. He said he was surprised at how much fun he had and I hope this is something we can do together every once in a while now. :)

http://i353.photobucket.com/albums/r384/weak_link/29435_1292607760550_1390961946_3071.jpg?t=12730308 51

[357]

My father hasn't touched a firearm since he was in the Coast Guard 40 years ago. He finally decided to come out with me to meet up with some friends at the range this past Saturday. He said he was surprised at how much fun he had and I hope this is something we can do together every once in a while now. :)



Shooting and hunting is one of the best things to do with your dad or son. :tu

[JE3146]

My father hasn't touched a firearm since he was in the Coast Guard 40 years ago. He finally decided to come out with me to meet up with some friends at the range this past Saturday. He said he was surprised at how much fun he had and I hope this is something we can do together every once in a while now. :)




A few years ago for Dad's weekend at college, I took my dad shooting. The funniest part about it is typically it's the father who takes the son shooting. My dad never grew up with guns and only owned a .22 as an adult for the random gopher.

Either way, the first time we went shooting was when I took him. Seeing the smile on his face when he touched off a 30 round mag from an AR was about as priceless as it gets :r

It's definitely a thing to try to continue doing. :tu

[J0eybb]

Server room at my work.

http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af63/J0eybb/0505000904.jpg

[T.G]

Server room at my work.

http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af63/J0eybb/0505000904.jpg

Sweet. How'd you get all the boxes to stick to the walls like that? Must have used a lot of glue.

Oh, and the shotgun and the AR - I just love what you did with them, you can hardly see the wires.

[Sauer Grapes]

I thought it was a federal requirement, but I might be mistaken.

I do not believe you are mistaken. And the dealer has to keep the record of sale for 20 years I believe. And if the dealer closes up shop before that time period, they have to give all of their records of sale to the government so that they can "store them in a safe place."