First Firearm Thread.

[emopunker2004]

Got one of the last on Tuesday.
Armalite AR10 on the way.
Figure with that, I can pop them long before they hit the range for my AR15.
Should be in my hands soon.
Now for the difficult task of finding ammo and extra 20+ mags.

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/308-762-nato-all-308-762-nato
http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/1881.htm?searching=Y&sort=11&cat=1881&show=160&page=1

Both sites are good to go

[spectrrr]

Got one of the last on Tuesday.
Armalite AR10 on the way.
Figure with that, I can pop them long before they hit the range for my AR15.
Should be in my hands soon.
Now for the difficult task of finding ammo and extra 20+ mags.

NICE Carlos! I'm Jealous on that score!

I'm actively looking for an AR10 or an M1a myself...

[Blueface]

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/308-762-nato-all-308-762-nato
http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/1881.htm?searching=Y&sort=11&cat=1881&show=160&page=1

Both sites are good to go

Thanks.
Amazing how prices have shot up.

[Blueface]

NICE Carlos! I'm Jealous on that score!

I'm actively looking for an AR10 or an M1a myself...

I remembered having visited Palmetto State Armory, whom I have bought ammo from, and decided to check to see if they had any left.
My friend got one and I think I bought the last one on Tuesday morning.
This is what I have coming.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/283BAAF4-1AB4-4C1D-B291-4A4928BCB2FC-22418-00000E33ABC47A9F.jpg

[Blueface]

Anyone ever use Fiocchi ammo?
Seems majority of it is now made in the US.
This is a great price given current ammo prices/demand.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/featured/fiocchi-308-150gr-fmjbt-308a.html

[emopunker2004]

Anyone ever use Fiocchi ammo?
Seems majority of it is now made in the US.
This is a great price given current ammo prices/demand.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/featured/fiocchi-308-150gr-fmjbt-308a.html

The only Fiocchi I've uses was in .40 S&W but it's always worked great for me.

[spectrrr]

Hey Justin, did you notice that DSGarms makes cigars? :)
http://dsgarms.com/Category/360_1/DSG_Cigar_Co_.aspx

[Ranger_B]

I have run 9mm Fiocchi through a couple of my pistols with no problem. Price is always great with it.

[emopunker2004]

Hey Justin, did you notice that DSGarms makes cigars? :)
http://dsgarms.com/Category/360_1/DSG_Cigar_Co_.aspx

:r I saw that. Not sure if they're any good. I'm sure the guys over on arfcom know.

[forgop]

Just filled out an application for a handgun permit and I've never owned one.

Trying to decide what to buy...I want something I can conceal and I can get in the $400-500 range and I'm ok with buying used. Not sure what I really care for as far as 9mm, 40/45, etc and thinking a 4" variety.

My brother recommended Springfield XD and Glock...what would you recommend?

[jluck]

Just filled out an application for a handgun permit and I've never owned one.

Trying to decide what to buy...I want something I can conceal and I can get in the $400-500 range and I'm ok with buying used. Not sure what I really care for as far as 9mm, 40/45, etc and thinking a 4" variety.

My brother recommended Springfield XD and Glock...what would you recommend?

Start with a good 9mm, Ruger,Sig,Smith etc. There is soo many good ones these days.:2

[Digs]

Just filled out an application for a handgun permit and I've never owned one.

Trying to decide what to buy...I want something I can conceal and I can get in the $400-500 range and I'm ok with buying used. Not sure what I really care for as far as 9mm, 40/45, etc and thinking a 4" variety.

My brother recommended Springfield XD and Glock...what would you recommend?

I prefer glock over the XD's

But I just got the new XDS .45 on Saturday love that its the same size as my G26 but in .45 it was only $549 otd

In this pic it's laying on top of my "baby glock"26

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh587/ak47dennis/6b528275be9c90e466975f7b08f9c3aa.jpg

[Digs]

Anyone ever use Fiocchi ammo?
Seems majority of it is now made in the US.
This is a great price given current ammo prices/demand.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/featured/fiocchi-308-150gr-fmjbt-308a.html

It's fine fired thousands of rounds of Fiochi that's actual a little high my local cabelas usually has it for $10.99 a box (or they did)

[big a]

Just filled out an application for a handgun permit and I've never owned one.

Trying to decide what to buy...I want something I can conceal and I can get in the $400-500 range and I'm ok with buying used. Not sure what I really care for as far as 9mm, 40/45, etc and thinking a 4" variety.

My brother recommended Springfield XD and Glock...what would you recommend?

I have a ruger Lcp and love it. I have a back pocket holster, just feels like I have two wallets. I have been looking at an lc9, xds, or s&w shield for an inside the waste option. All of these are in your price range or very close if you look around.

I like my glock and cannot go wrong with one. Just all I have seen or tried are not comfortable to carry. But just like cigars, everyone likes different options. Before buying see if any of your local ranges have some that you could rent before spending all the money.

[Blueface]

...what would you recommend?

Just like a wife, booze or cigars, loaded question as so personal.
I have now learned what I had been told previously, feel them up, it's a personal thing. They all feel different to you than to me.
The XD is a great gun but thick and may not be what some like with the way the safety is set up. I thought I wanted one until I held it.
Glocks are fantastic, as I own a 21 and can attest but almost bought a 26 for concealed but also felt bulky.
Ended up with a Ruger LCP for true tiny concealed and a S&W Shield which is slim and incredibly low recoil and is truly my favorite. However, finding one is the challenge due to demand for it.
Gun shows or a large dealer are the best place to go.
Lastly, shoot it. Amazing how many you eliminate once you fire them.

BTW, that XDs is an amazing little, slim powerhouse but you sacrifice by having low capacity in mag due to caliber. Probably my next gun as is only XD that is slim.

[Digs]

Just like a wife, booze or cigars, loaded question as so personal.
I have now learned what I had been told previously, feel them up, it's a personal thing. They all feel different to you than to me.
The XD is a great gun but thick and may not be what some like with the way the safety is set up. I thought I wanted one until I held it.
Glocks are fantastic, as I own a 21 and can attest but almost bought a 26 for concealed but also felt bulky.
Ended up with a Ruger LCP for true tiny concealed and a S&W Shield which is slim and incredibly low recoil and is truly my favorite. However, finding one is the challenge due to demand for it.
Gun shows or a large dealer are the best place to go.
Lastly, shoot it. Amazing how many you eliminate once you fire them.

BTW, that XDs is an amazing little, slim powerhouse but you sacrifice by having low capacity in mag due to caliber. Probably my next gun as is only XD that is slim.


I just sold my LCP for something a little more powerful I don't feel like I have sacrificed capacity. The Xds is 5+1 the LCP is 6+1, heck I will give up one round to carry the.45 vs .380 :2

I have my LCP holsters for sale over on the WT/S thread :r

[Blueface]

I just sold my LCP for something a little more powerful I don't feel like I have sacrificed capacity. The Xds is 5+1 the LCP is 6+1, heck I will give up one round to carry the.45 vs .380 :2

I have my LCP holsters for sale over on the WT/S thread :r

No doubt. Same here.
I now seldom use my LCP since getting the Shield.
I do love that XDs quite a bit and see it in my immediate future, specially since now seeing Bud's selling it for $599.

[jsnake]

Can anyone here tell me where I can find a bolt carrier group and 16" barrel for 5.56? Trying to finish a build and everyone is out of everything. I know a lot of local places might have parts though. Like around here I can still get high capacity magazines at normal prices. Please PM me if you know of anywhere that might have these in stock. I have spent 5 days searching the internet with no luck. Thanks!

[big_jaygee]

i have a glock model 32 which is chambered in .357 sig. i love it. same ballistics as a .40s&w just a flatter trajectory and it has the same knock down power of a .357 mag just in a semi-auto platform. it is a necked down .40 so the same amount of rounds. it is the sub-compact model and i carry it everyday with no problems. since im a big fan of the glock i will not weigh in on whats better but i will say go for what fits better in your hand. if you can find a gun range that has loaner guns that will let you try them out.

[emopunker2004]

I just sold my LCP for something a little more powerful I don't feel like I have sacrificed capacity. The Xds is 5+1 the LCP is 6+1, heck I will give up one round to carry the.45 vs .380 :2

I have my LCP holsters for sale over on the WT/S thread :r

How do you like it? I'm torn between that and a Taurus PT1911 w/rail

No doubt. Same here.
I now seldom use my LCP since getting the Shield.
I do love that XDs quite a bit and see it in my immediate future, specially since now seeing Bud's selling it for $599.

Grabagun has them for less btw. $523 for the black

Can anyone here tell me where I can find a bolt carrier group and 16" barrel for 5.56? Trying to finish a build and everyone is out of everything. I know a lot of local places might have parts though. Like around here I can still get high capacity magazines at normal prices. Please PM me if you know of anywhere that might have these in stock. I have spent 5 days searching the internet with no luck. Thanks!

Good luck. BCGs have been super hard to come by for the past couple months and now it's worse. You may want to go over to AR15.com and look in the equipment exchange for a bcg and barrel. Prepare to be buttraped though. BCGs are going for $300 each

[emopunker2004]

barrels
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/barrel-parts/rifle-barrels/index.htm

[Digs]

Can anyone here tell me where I can find a bolt carrier group and 16" barrel for 5.56? Trying to finish a build and everyone is out of everything. I know a lot of local places might have parts though. Like around here I can still get high capacity magazines at normal prices. Please PM me if you know of anywhere that might have these in stock. I have spent 5 days searching the internet with no luck. Thanks!

Windham weaponry has M4 barrels assembly's, my buddy ordered one Tuesaday.

Not sure on the BCG

[Digs]

Justin I personally wouldn't touch that Taurus with a 10' pole - to many mim parts. Kind of too different animals a 5" 1911 (well sort of, haha) compared to the xds with a 3.3" barrel. What are you looking for a range .45 or a carry .45?

To answer your question I like it, I shoot a lot in 2011 fired over 10k rounds. i do find the recoil pretty stout. It is almost identical in size to my glock 26 & 27 just thinner in the grip which makes it easier to conceal. Its a nice change I used carry my glock 20, then went to the little ruger LCP now I feel like a man again :r



How do you like it? I'm torn between that and a Taurus PT1911 w/rail



Grabagun has them for less btw. $523 for the black



Good luck. BCGs have been super hard to come by for the past couple months and now it's worse. You may want to go over to AR15.com and look in the equipment exchange for a bcg and barrel. Prepare to be buttraped though. BCGs are going for $300 each

[forgop]

I may or may not have back ordered 4 more stripped lowers during the late night hours. If I did, that makes 8 stripped lowers from 8 different manufacturers are on order.

[CigarSquid]

I am looking at getting a Remington 870, prolly 18 inch barrel in a month or so.. Doing the research still.

[emopunker2004]

Dennis I have no problem with the MIM parts. I used to own a Metro Arms AC2 that was basically the same deal, and it ran great. MIM parts when done right are fine.

I want a carry and range gun. I know I can carry a 5" 1911 with a good holster as I did that before with the AC2. Decisions decisions.

[dijit]

i have a glock model 32 which is chambered in .357 sig. i love it. same ballistics as a .40s&w just a flatter trajectory and it has the same knock down power of a .357 mag just in a semi-auto platform. it is a necked down .40 so the same amount of rounds. it is the sub-compact model and i carry it everyday with no problems. since im a big fan of the glock i will not weigh in on whats better but i will say go for what fits better in your hand. if you can find a gun range that has loaner guns that will let you try them out.

I had the .357sig in a sig 226 loved the round and the weapon. Reloading was a bear and it became very expensive to buy ammo. I did manage to make some defense rounds in 357sig that were pushing 1400 fps and my math says it was approaching 500ft/lbs knockdown while keeping the chamber pressure to around 43000 psi. Loved shooting those at the range! Everyone would stop to see what I was shooting.

[emopunker2004]

NRA press conference on NRA.com at 1045 eastern 945 central

[Blueface]

I am looking at getting a Remington 870, prolly 18 inch barrel in a month or so.. Doing the research still.

Take a look at the new Mossberg Flex that allows easy change of stock to any format and comes with rail.
Saw it in person at recent show and fell in love.

[CigarSquid]

Take a look at the new Mossberg Flex that allows easy change of stock to any format and comes with rail.
Saw it in person at recent show and fell in love.

For me, That is to much money. I can get the Remington, before the end of the year for 299.99. It will mainly sit in the house.. maybe see a range once a month or every other. I am more going for a home protection gun and fun. I Have never hunted in my life.

I would something that is decent, decent gun and decent on the check book.

[Blueface]

For me, That is to much money. I can get the Remington, before the end of the year for 299.99. It will mainly sit in the house.. maybe see a range once a month or every other. I am more going for a home protection gun and fun. I Have never hunted in my life.

I would something that is decent, decent gun and decent on the check book.

I know everyone has a range/threshold of what they will spend but it is only $100 more and from that you have a cruiser, standard or tactical, all in one.

[CigarSquid]

I know everyone has a range/threshold of what they will spend but it is only $100 more and from that you have a cruiser, standard or tactical, all in one.

Maybe I was viewing the wrong one. For 100 bucks more, I'd do it.

[big_jaygee]

Loved shooting those at the range! Everyone would stop to see what I was shooting.

happens all the time... when i was getting my ccw the range master had to come over to see what all that noise was, apparently it is louder then the .40's and .45's that were being shot around me. :r and yes it is a smoking little round! :tu

[bonjing]

Brownells is still showing in stock for cmmg lower parts kit 308

[Blueface]

Maybe I was viewing the wrong one. For 100 bucks more, I'd do it.

Yup.
Here it is at Bud's. I guess demand has made it go up a few bucks but still reasonable.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/80215/Mossberg+500SP+FLEX+12g+18%22+CB+PG+SYN

[spectrrr]

Brownells is still showing in stock for cmmg lower parts kit 308

just checked, CMMG 308 lower officially showing as discontinued now :)

[Blueface]

No Armalite 308 20 round mags to be found.
If anyone has a secret place, well, lets make it not secret.:D

[spectrrr]

I may or may not have back ordered 4 more stripped lowers during the late night hours. If I did, that makes 8 stripped lowers from 8 different manufacturers are on order.

I thought about ordering a Spikes stripped lower from DSGarms the other night ($89, cheap)... even added it to my cart. Then I realized I've never purchased a gun online and have no idea where to ship it near me. :tg


Well Carlos, I'll be at a show tomorrow, but no way in hell I expect to find any mags!

[elderboy02]

Whatever you do don't buy Taurus. I had bad experiences with Taurus and I was glad to sell mine.

[MurphysLaw]

Whatever you do don't buy Taurus. I had bad experiences with Taurus and I was glad to sell mine.

I had a PT140 that was total junk, however my 605 .357 revolver was a nice little gun.

[dijit]

Well since I have sold my .357 sig if anyone is interested I have some gold dot and and I think remington JHP rounds I dont need and about 200 Gold Dot bullets for reloading. PM me if interested

[emopunker2004]

Whatever you do don't buy Taurus. I had bad experiences with Taurus and I was glad to sell mine.

Was it a Taurus 1911?

[CigarSquid]

Yup.
Here it is at Bud's. I guess demand has made it go up a few bucks but still reasonable.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/80215/Mossberg+500SP+FLEX+12g+18%22+CB+PG+SYN

I am not sure I want a pistol grip.. Never shoot one with that.

[spectrrr]

pistol grip has it's purposes... but damned uncomfortable to shoot em :(


Went ahead and pulled the trigger on a couple of inexpensive stripped lowers. I have serious doubts they'll show up anytime in the next 18 months... but *shrug*

[LostAbbott]

Hey guys I am looking into getting a sub compact or whatever they are calling these days. I have shot a M&P 40c and am looking into the shield not sure if I want the 9 or the 40. Also looking at the Walther pps or the kahr pm. What do you guys think? Anyone you like better? Is there something else I should be looking into.

[emopunker2004]

I had a Kahr CM9 which I loved! I think Brian has the PM9.

[Digs]

Was it a Taurus 1911?



Talk to any gun shop or gun smith, taurus has some of the highest rates of returns, I am just sayin :D

[Digs]

Hey Justin I don't want to come across as a gun snob....:r

MIM parts matter to me, they are used for one reason and one reason only and that's to save a buck! I have seen many mim parts just snap / break .

If I am surrounded by walkers the pistol I want on me hopefully will have no powdered metal parts :r:r


Dennis I have no problem with the MIM parts. I used to own a Metro Arms AC2 that was basically the same deal, and it ran great. MIM parts when done right are fine.

I want a carry and range gun. I know I can carry a 5" 1911 with a good holster as I did that before with the AC2. Decisions decisions.

[MurphysLaw]

I had a Kahr CM9 which I loved! I think Brian has the PM9.

I do, great little carry gun :tu

[Pilon]

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/3-d-printed-gun-fires-6-shots-then-falls-apart-1C7404226

[Digs]

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/futureoftech/3-d-printed-gun-fires-6-shots-then-falls-apart-1C7404226

That is some crazy sh-t I saw an email about that technology about 2 years ago they were printing tools!

[Bax]

I had a PT140 that was total junk, however my 605 .357 revolver was a nice little gun.

I loved my Taurus pt92 9mm and still love my Taurus .357 Mag. Wouldn't sell it for the world :D

[hammondc]

I think the Taurus wheel guns are great. Everything else? Not so much.

[spectrrr]

If you're looking for a SMALL carry gun, take a look at the DiamondBack DB9 - its about the size of most pocket .380's, but gives you 6+1 9mm. I love mine, and their customer service has been excellent.

[Blueface]

Hey guys I am looking into getting a sub compact or whatever they are calling these days. I have shot a M&P 40c and am looking into the shield not sure if I want the 9 or the 40. Also looking at the Walther pps or the kahr pm. What do you guys think? Anyone you like better? Is there something else I should be looking into.

I cannot speak highly enough of the Shield, if you can find one.
I have the 9mm.
Had the .40 in my hand and almost bought it but wasn't sure how the recoil would be so got talked into the 9.
Love it so much that have plans to eventually get the .40 also.
Very smooth to shoot and very accurate.
They definitely live up to all the hype and then some.

Another one I am a big fan of, but pricier is the Sig P239.
My wife has the P238HD which is the .380 version and is a charm of a gun in every aspect.
Miniature 1911.

[LostAbbott]

Thank you for all the great info guys. I still have a lot of research to do before I make a purchase but I am pretty serious this time after thinking about getting a nice cadet piece for quite a while. I love my ruger kp90 but there is no way I could carry it.
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[MurphysLaw]

Anyone here carry a 1911 in an IWB in the small of their back? Looking for some recommendations on a holster. I have a Desantis Tuck This II I use for my Kahr, thinking about something similar that gives me some options for carrying a 1911.

[Blueface]

Anyone here carry a 1911 in an IWB in the small of their back? Looking for some recommendations on a holster. I have a Desantis Tuck This II I use for my Kahr, thinking about something similar that gives me some options for carrying a 1911.

Brian,
Hope all is well. Miss the pasteles.
I love this guy's holsters. I have one for all my concealed guns.
He will make it any way you want.
Reputable, well made, reasonably priced.
Highly recommend him and he makes the for 1911's.
He also makes neat pouches for an extra mag.
Very, very comfortable to wear.
http://pjholster.com/

[MurphysLaw]

Brian,
Hope all is well. Miss the pasteles.
I love this guy's holsters. I have one for all my concealed guns.
He will make it any way you want.
Reputable, well made, reasonably priced.
Highly recommend him and he makes the for 1911's.
He also makes neat pouches for an extra mag.
Very, very comfortable to wear.
http://pjholster.com/

Thanks for the link Carlos, hopefully we'll get to herf with Patrick again this yeaer and I'll bring the pastelitos. I picked up a Kimber Eclipse Pro II today, looking forward to getting to carry it around soon.

[Blueface]

Thought you Firearms guys would get a kick out of this.
This Ruger at Bud's auction must be truly worth the while as it is currently at $300,000. Wonder how desperate that bidder is right now to get someone to cancel this bid on an otherwise $1,600 rifle.
NUTS!!!!

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/7C2F345F-4BF3-40C1-8FFD-6D201E5CA711-23671-00000F92F850F190.jpg

[TJarv]

Will he have to pay that?

I know the bid has been placed but surely someone will notice its a mistake

[emopunker2004]

Anyone here carry a 1911 in an IWB in the small of their back? Looking for some recommendations on a holster. I have a Desantis Tuck This II I use for my Kahr, thinking about something similar that gives me some options for carrying a 1911.

Brian check out this guy, I had one for the 1911 I had and carried. Dunno if he does SOB holsters or not, you could ask. Lil one man shop with his small grandson

http://theisholsters.com/

[Digs]

Anyone here carry a 1911 in an IWB in the small of their back? Looking for some recommendations on a holster. I have a Desantis Tuck This II I use for my Kahr, thinking about something similar that gives me some options for carrying a 1911.

Brian I use a Galco king tuk for my iWB I no longer carry in my back cant sit and it pull my britches down :r

[forgop]

They won't receive the $300k for it. I think some sellers have created additional ID's to drive up price and traffic because of how much it results in this kind of advertising. Happens on ebay all the time with buyers with low/zero feedback. Seller reports non-paying bidder to avoid fees and no real harm to seller than an unsold item and maybe the "buyer" gets suspended.

If you check local prices, they're still being listed at $1200-$1500 on a daily basis.

[emopunker2004]

Actually the local shops here have tripled prices on complete AR-15s and stripped lowers are selling for about 4-5x their normal price. Insane. I did sell 3 Pmags the other day for $33 each though :D

[spectrrr]

Anyone here carry a 1911 in an IWB in the small of their back? Looking for some recommendations on a holster. I have a Desantis Tuck This II I use for my Kahr, thinking about something similar that gives me some options for carrying a 1911.

I used to.

+1 for the custon kydex option. I don't know PJs, but I'm sure its good.
If you can find one local, thats even better. There's a guy that does it at my area gun show, does good work. Thing I like about the custom work when its local is that they'll mold it to your gun exact. so in the case of my 1911 which had an oversized safety lever, it still fit the holster like a glove.

I don't like the feel of all leather holsters very much... With all that said, if I did it again, for small of the back carry (only place a 1911 will fit for me), I would probably give an ADJUSTABLE leather/kydex hybrid try, with the idea that it would still have the better comfort of leather (my #1 complaint about kydex), but still have the super smooth and easy draw of the kydex. Something like the Tuck It. http://www.2ndamendmentstuff.com/The-Tuck-It-The-Tuck-it.htm

In the end, I found it was more comfortable to carry a diamondback DB9 (6+1 9mm) on my side, in a kydex hoster.

[spectrrr]

Actually the local shops here have tripled prices on complete AR-15s and stripped lowers are selling for about 4-5x their normal price. Insane. I did sell 3 Pmags the other day for $33 each though :D

I was at the gun show yesterday. One guy had a bucket load of pmags and was selling them for $35/ea. No pmags anywhere else to be found. Troy battlemags for $30 from a few people. very few mags in any other persuasion...

One vender had a few AR's left. I didn't ask about the price (not marked, never a good sign!)
On average, prices were doubled. basic DPMS ARs were selling for $1700.

Saw one guy with a few stripped lowers, selling em for $300/ea.
If there's still one there today, I might pick it up. Yeah, its pricy. But it's also IN MY HAND.

I think I've generally concluded that anything that doesn't arrive in my hand before mid Feb. is at risk of not showing up. But that's just a guess... I just don't know how fast they can pass this thing. Took em almost 5 years last time, but there's no guarantee it won't go faster this time.

Many of the major manufacturers are no longer taking orders for the entire year of 2013, they're telling they're telling distributors that the production line is maxed for the whole year. no more orders.
In the case of something like pmags, I'm not worried, those will get made. In the case of something like already long lead time AR's from smaller shops, I don't think those will ever materialize.

BUT ALL JUST GUESSING OUT MY ASS AT THIS POINT! NO ONE KNOWS!

[Bax]

Anyone carried both auto and revolver as a CCW? I'd like some feedback as to both. I've been leaning to a Beretta Nano or Ruger .357. But I'd like some pros and cons on both style of weapons.

[MurphysLaw]

Finally snapped a couple pics of the new Kimber with my phone.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Brian32FSU/261D94BA-AEAF-437F-A28D-AF11D0F0317D-17180-000008E1BC0875A6.jpg

[spectrrr]

Finally snapped a couple pics of the new Kimber with my phone.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Brian32FSU/261D94BA-AEAF-437F-A28D-AF11D0F0317D-17180-000008E1BC0875A6.jpg

from a fellow ultra carry user, that is sexy :tu

Which model did you get?

[Steve]

Finally snapped a couple pics of the new Kimber with my phone.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c82/Brian32FSU/261D94BA-AEAF-437F-A28D-AF11D0F0317D-17180-000008E1BC0875A6.jpg

Nice! Love me some Kimbers!

[Steve]

Anyone know of a decent concealed carry holster that will accomodate a sub-compact with a light on the under rail?

[MurphysLaw]

from a fellow ultra carry user, that is sexy :tu

Which model did you get?

It's the Eclipse Pro II. I looked at the ultra and pro carry as well, I liked the way the 4" models fit my hands better and the eclipse had night sights already installed for way less than it would cost me to buy and install a set on the pro carry.

[spectrrr]

It's the Eclipse Pro II. I looked at the ultra and pro carry as well, I liked the way the 4" models fit my hands better and the eclipse had night sights already installed for way less than it would cost me to buy and install a set on the pro carry.

Very nice. I ended up adding night sights to mine (although it's getting a little old now, I might have to replace em in a few years). For me, overall height was important. I would haply take a 4" barrel combined with the grip of the 3" models. But I have very SMALL hands. Even with the 3", it shoots plenty accurate at shrot-medium ranges.

[MurphysLaw]

Anyone know of a decent concealed carry holster that will accomodate a sub-compact with a light on the under rail?

I came across this (http://www.concealmentsolutions.com/blmacewtl.html) in my search for a holster. They were recommended in a thread on a 1911 forum I was browsing.

[MurphysLaw]

Brian I use a Galco king tuk for my iWB I no longer carry in my back cant sit and it pull my britches down :r

Found one of these locally today, I like that I can adjust the clips to adjust the cant. I've moved away from SOB, read too many stories about guys ending up in the hospital after falling on their weapon.

[Steve]

I came across this (http://www.concealmentsolutions.com/blmacewtl.html) in my search for a holster. They were recommended in a thread on a 1911 forum I was browsing.

Thanks Brian. That's what I was looking for.

[emopunker2004]

Ok guys I think it's settled. I think I want the Kahr CW45. Smaller than a 1911 but still 45ACP and cheaper than the XD-S :tu

http://www.fatwallet.com/static/attachments/68001_52707.jpg

[spectrrr]

just make sure you shoot it first :)
years ago I was considering carry guns and tried the kahr 9mm once and HATED it. nothing wrong with the gun, just didn't work for MY hand. Nothing like a hands on demo :tu

[Blueface]

Nothing like a hands on demo :tu

When it comes to guns, wiser words cannot be spoken.
Heck, come to think of it, same applies to breasts.:r

[spectrrr]

:r :r :r

[emopunker2004]

Francis I previously owned a Kahr CM9 and it felt and shot great. I think I'll like the CW45 just fine. :tu

[Steve]

I just checked out a Wilson CQB Lightrail. Awesome pistol, but sweet mother...$$$

[Remo]

I just checked out a Wilson CQB Lightrail. Awesome pistol, but sweet mother...$$$

Uh.,....yeah....Look at a Kimber Ultra Carry :tu

[emopunker2004]

:r yeh Steve Wilson is way. Pricey.

[spectrrr]

Uh.,....yeah....Look at a Kimber Ultra Carry :tu

+1 for the Kimber!

That Wilson a sweet looking fun... but yeah, way pricy! Kimber's aren't cheap, but compared to Wilson, they are!

[hammondc]

Sig Sauer MK25. This is the gun I am after in the new year

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/_dsc9962.jpg

[MurphysLaw]

Wilson is on my "one day" list, I'm really happy with my new Kimber

[bonjing]

I just checked out a Wilson CQB Lightrail. Awesome pistol, but sweet mother...$$$

Check out Les Baer. I bought a custom carry and not a hiccup during the break in of the first 1000 rounds. In my opinion I got a great shooter without the 1.5" guarantee. Amazing bang for the buck for a semi custom 1911.

[emopunker2004]

Let's see today gun related purchases....

Ordered Kahr CW45 :D
Ordered IWB holster from PJ Holsters :D
Ordered Magpul ASAP plate for my MS3 Sling :D
Ordered Daniel Defense A1.5 Rear Sight for my rifle :D

Officially broke :(

[spectrrr]

Let's see today gun related purchases....

:D :D :D :D
:(

Way I see it, Good still outweighs the bad 4 to 1


Check out Les Baer. I bought a custom carry and not a hiccup during the break in of the first 1000 rounds. In my opinion I got a great shooter without the 1.5" guarantee. Amazing bang for the buck for a semi custom 1911.

Just ordered one of their extractors to have as a spare. Looks like good stuff.

[macsauce13]

Got my first handgun today! A S&W Bodyguard with laser sight. Pretty pumped!

[spectrrr]

Got my first handgun today! A S&W Bodyguard with laser sight. Pretty pumped!

Congrats!

Stop by Dayton gun show (January 12-13 or 26-27) and stop by the SharkTac booth (he's usually there, on the far wall to your left when you walk in), He'll make you a perfect fit kydex holster for your gun while you wait (usually 45-90 minutes, depending on how busy they are). I've got two of their holsters and love em!

http://www.gunshow.net/dates-new.htm
http://sharktac.com/

[emopunker2004]

Got my first handgun today! A S&W Bodyguard with laser sight. Pretty pumped!

The 38 revolver or 380 semi-auto?

[elderboy02]

Got my first handgun today! A S&W Bodyguard with laser sight. Pretty pumped!

I have the exact same gun in the .38 revolver that I carry every day. I love it :tu

[0002S]

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/1%20Man%20Cave/Krink2_zps5adac04f.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/1%20Man%20Cave/Krink1_zps6842818a.jpg

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/1%20Man%20Cave/Krink3_zps49d2279b.jpg

[big pete]

^^ sweet! Specs?

I soooo want to do a AK build

[0002S]

^^ sweet! Specs?

I soooo want to do a AK build

Krinkov AK-74U 5.56x45

[macsauce13]

Congrats!

Stop by Dayton gun show (January 12-13 or 26-27) and stop by the SharkTac booth (he's usually there, on the far wall to your left when you walk in), He'll make you a perfect fit kydex holster for your gun while you wait (usually 45-90 minutes, depending on how busy they are). I've got two of their holsters and love em!

http://www.gunshow.net/dates-new.htm
http://sharktac.com/

Oh wow, thanks for the tip! I think I will do that! They look really nice, although maybe a bit out of my price range.
The 38 revolver or 380 semi-auto?

I have the exact same gun in the .38 revolver that I carry every day. I love it :tu

I went with the 380 semi-auto. Loved the size and feel of it.

[forgop]

Krinkov AK-74U 5.56x45

Was this a kit or complete assembly? Looks great.

May make me reconsider adding one of these if it can be done in a kit.

[spectrrr]

Oh wow, thanks for the tip! I think I will do that! They look really nice, although maybe a bit out of my price range.

I went with the 380 semi-auto. Loved the size and feel of it.

Don't worry about the $100+ prices on the website, his prices are actually quite reasonable - for the basic slimline that I got my two holsters in, I think I paid ~$60 each at the show. And he stands behind his work, if it's not comfortable or working for you, take it back and he'll fix it on the spot.

(NOTE: this post ended up being a little longer than intended, but I think you'll see from my story why I think it's worth saying!)

Before that, I had tried a Remora holster for my Diamondback DB9 (tiny 9mm, just a hair bigger than your S&W). It was inexpensive, and fit in my waist fantastic, infinitely adjustable, could be put anywhere, held the gun well, etc etc... I loved it.

There was just one problem - it held the gun TOO WELL. Yeah, under controlled draw and presentation practice, it wasn't an issue. BUT I discovered that in a "frenetic" draw, quick, unexpected, with my heart rate up, there was a significant chance of me pulling the trigger while drawing it. Fortunately this was practice, and no round in the chamber. But it happened on more than one occasion. And that was the last time I used that holster!

The reason being that most inexpensive holsters holds the gun in by simple pressure of your belt, and since the size of the grip on a compact .380 is relatively small, it is held in so tight so that you just naturally grab for "a little too much" in your effort to get it out. I grew up around guns, owned them all of my life, I am NOT in the habit of putting my finger on the trigger before I'm ready to fire. BUT IT STILL HAPPENED TO ME!!!

So what am I trying to say? eh, just a point of first hand advice learned the hard way really, whatever holster you choose, practice the hell out of it. Do it under simulated stressful conditions. Sprint 10 feet, then quickly try to present your gun. Don't "pre-think" the presentation beforehand, just do it. Do it a few hundred times, see what happens.

Do it while the gun is cocked, so you know if you $#^$@ it up. And do it WITHOUT a round in the chamber, so you don't shoot your kneecap off if you do @#$#@ it up! I'm glad I figured it out with an unloaded gun in practice, and not a loaded gun when my life depended on it.

and that's the really long version of why I recommend spending AT LEAST $50+ on your holster. Whether it be kydex or leather or a hybrid, and where it's purchased, doesn't really matter, just that it's GOOD, and you practice a lot with it under stress. I think it's even more important for the smaller guns due to the firing problem outlined above, and because it is an often overlooked and superbly critical part of the effectiveness (or complete failure) of your gun should you ever need it

Just my :2

[macsauce13]

Excellent post. Thanks for sharing that insight. It is very good advice. One of the reasons I chose this .380 was the click safety. As Im sure you know, a lot of these weapons don't have the dedicated safety, but being relatively new to firearms I wanted the extra safety mechanism.

[emopunker2004]

Is that a Krink with a happy switch?

[emopunker2004]

Excellent post. Thanks for sharing that insight. It is very good advice. One of the reasons I chose this .380 was the click safety. As Im sure you know, a lot of these weapons don't have the dedicated safety, but being relatively new to firearms I wanted the extra safety mechanism.

Safety vs. No Safety is a personal pref. If you dont put your finger on the trigger it wont go bang when you dont want it to.

Personally i prefer no manual safety as it's one extra step to worry about if you ever have to pull it and use it, fine motor-skill loss and all. Now I just have to wait for my Kahr to ship and get here :tu:tu

[spectrrr]

Excellent post. Thanks for sharing that insight. It is very good advice. One of the reasons I chose this .380 was the click safety. As Im sure you know, a lot of these weapons don't have the dedicated safety, but being relatively new to firearms I wanted the extra safety mechanism.

I understand where you are coming from there. I used to have the choice of carrying a 1911 or a Glock, and I unquestionably chose the 1911 because it had the safety (and I just love to shoot 1911's). I wasn't new to firearms, but I was new to carrying them concealed, and the idea of carrying a cocked and ready to go gun, without a safety, was... concerning, to say the very least. :) (such a heavy gun though, hard to carry in many situations)

In hindsight, the safety has the potential to be LESS helpful for beginners, because it's "one more thing" to remember to do in a panicked moment. And sometimes while you're learning fundamentals with a gun that has a safety, it can instill a misguided sense of confidence in the safety "being there for you", which can lead to the development of some bad shooting and handling habits if you're not mindful of that while learning (I wasn't!).

And that's not to say that safety's are bad. just, be aware of their limitations. Any habits and methods of handling and using a gun that work with a safety should work with a gun that doesn't have one. And if it doesn't, that's a red flag! And I totally understand wanting to carry one with a safety, I did it for years for that exact reason!

Now I'm NOT a firearms instructor, nor am I very knowledgeable. I'm just a guy that's learned a few things the hard way and has had to kick a few of those bad habits I picked up early on :)

dammit, THIS is why I don't have a twitter account. I am flat out incapable of typing out an idea in less than 1000 characters. 140? hah! I can't do it!

[spectrrr]

.... fine motor-skill loss and all. Now I just have to wait for my Kahr to ship and get here :tu:tu

I really want to find a place out here where I can try setting up a basic "Run n Gun", just to practice shooting with an elevated heartrate, changing situation, etc.

In OTHER news, just saw this guy over at Bud's. For $200, looks like a good way to enjoy the feel of a 1911 without the ammo price tag... I'm temped! I'm also eying an M&P 15-22 for the same reason....

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_1160/products_id/59751/Handguns/PUMA/Puma+1911-22+22LR+5%22+Blue%2C+Checkered+Wood+Grips

[emopunker2004]

Francis your best bet would be to start shooting IDPA or ISPC or 3-gun. You could do excercise and then shoot and then exercise but physical stress isnt quite as good as psychological stress when it comes to that. But the shooting sports would be good cuz you would experience psychological stress. :2

[spectrrr]

Francis your best bet would be to start shooting IDPA or ISPC or 3-gun. You could do excercise and then shoot and then exercise but physical stress isnt quite as good as psychological stress when it comes to that. But the shooting sports would be good cuz you would experience psychological stress. :2

Yeah, I'll probably get into whichever is closest to me when I get back from Venezuela next year.

[0002S]

Is that a Krink with a happy switch?

No post 86

[0002S]

Was this a kit or complete assembly? Looks great.

May make me reconsider adding one of these if it can be done in a kit.

It was originally a kit from a factiry 5.56

[spectrrr]

mmmm... just found a Hungarian AK clone for $599.... with things they way they are these days, that might be hard to pass up........

(always figured I'd get an AK "someday", give me an excuse to sell the SKS)

[forgop]

I think I've decided on getting a 40 S&W and want to get something with a manual safety as well. Wanting to stay under $500...can you think of any particular makes/models that I should look into?

[spectrrr]

Can't really offer any advice in that department. The only 40 I've shot was my old Glock 23. It was a good gun, but not quite my speed. Ended up selling it. Still got the ammo for it, but have yet to pick up another 40 cal pistol. Seems like a good round though.

[Blueface]

I think I've decided on getting a 40 S&W and want to get something with a manual safety as well. Wanting to stay under $500...can you think of any particular makes/models that I should look into?

Can't really offer any advice in that department. The only 40 I've shot was my old Glock 23. It was a good gun, but not quite my speed. Ended up selling it. Still got the ammo for it, but have yet to pick up another 40 cal pistol. Seems like a good round though.

Similar here.
I shot the 22, 23, 27 and 35 before decided on 21.
I too have .40 cal ammo for a gun I don't have anticipating I will.

When purchasing a gun, aside from shooting it to see if what cut out to be, one also has to consider availability of ammo at times of anarchy, or high demand as now. A .40 won't be easy as a 9 or 45.

I went to a gun show a few months ago looking at the Berretta Storm, XD, Glock 27 and forget what two others, all in .40. Swore that is what I wanted. Ended up walking out with a S&W Shield in 9 mm.

That said, if .40 is a must, for $449, if you are patient and lucky enough to find one, there will be no finer gun for concealed carry in that caliber than the S&W Shield.

Any big boy quality .40 is over that price. I'll probably end up with a Sig. 40 and a Shield.

[Blueface]

This is my dream .40.
It will set one back a grand but boy ain't she purty.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/50921

[spectrrr]

Similar here.
....
When purchasing a gun, aside from shooting it to see if what cut out to be, one also has to consider availability of ammo at times of anarchy, or high demand as now. A .40 won't be easy as a 9 or 45.
.....
....there will be no finer gun for concealed carry in that caliber than the S&W Shield.

I have heard good things about those Shields..

Same here on the caliber considerations. I guess that's why I don't have a 40 gun right now. I tried to streamline the ammo stocks. 9mm was a given. .45 was a given (for me)... and .40 became the completely competent but odd man out...

[spectrrr]

This is my dream .40.
It will set one back a grand but boy ain't she purty.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/50921

yep, that sure is a pretty looking gun. :tu

Want to see the single most gorgeous rifle I think I've ever laid eyes on? I'm just a little short on the cash or I'd buy it up in a heartbeat :rolleyes:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322196026

http://www.huntingheritagetrust.org/DATA/treasures/upcomingauctionite/newturnbulltar1030/tar105.jpg

[Blueface]

yep, that sure is a pretty looking gun. :tu

Want to see the single most gorgeous rifle I think I've ever laid eyes on? I'm just a little short on the cash or I'd buy it up in a heartbeat :rolleyes:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=322196026

http://www.huntingheritagetrust.org/DATA/treasures/upcomingauctionite/newturnbulltar1030/tar105.jpg

WOW!!!!!!!

That is amazing work.

[Blueface]

I think I've decided on getting a 40 S&W and want to get something with a manual safety as well. Wanting to stay under $500...can you think of any particular makes/models that I should look into?

Here is the Shield in 9.
The .40 is identical with difference being one less round in mag capacity.
As you can see, manual safety, engaged, just above the back part of my thumb, easily deactivated as you draw.
Best part, less than an inch thick.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/f44c40e6.jpg

[forgop]

That said, if .40 is a must, for $449, if you are patient and lucky enough to find one, there will be no finer gun for concealed carry in that caliber than the S&W Shield.



Looking into this and maybe I'm getting more $ than I anticipated, but I guess I'd rather be spending more money up front to get something I know I'll be happy with from the get go than buying something I know I'll regret and need to sell to buy another. If that exceeds the $500 figure, so be it.

I'm wanting something that isn't compact and will fit nicely in my entire hand with the grip. Obviously that rules out a compact and most likely a subcompact I believe. I'm also thinking I'd like a 4" barrel for improved accuracy. Then again, I may find out that what I think I want isn't possible to conceal and may far exceed what I was hoping to spend.

I know the thing to do is get my butt in a shop and get a feel for them myself, but I want to at least have some sort of idea of what to ask for in terms of makes/models that will fit what I'm looking for.

Seems like the Springfield XD's offer some stuff I can find on armslist available in .40S&W that has a 4" barrel and has a grip safety that can be had in my desired price range.

[dijit]

This is my dream .40.
It will set one back a grand but boy ain't she purty.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/50921

That to me is a really nice looking weapon, especially the cherry colored grips.

[Blueface]

Looking into this and maybe I'm getting more $ than I anticipated, but I guess I'd rather be spending more money up front to get something I know I'll be happy with from the get go than buying something I know I'll regret and need to sell to buy another. If that exceeds the $500 figure, so be it.

I'm wanting something that isn't compact and will fit nicely in my entire hand with the grip. Obviously that rules out a compact and most likely a subcompact I believe. I'm also thinking I'd like a 4" barrel for improved accuracy. Then again, I may find out that what I think I want isn't possible to conceal and may far exceed what I was hoping to spend.

I know the thing to do is get my butt in a shop and get a feel for them myself, but I want to at least have some sort of idea of what to ask for in terms of makes/models that will fit what I'm looking for.

Seems like the Springfield XD's offer some stuff I can find on armslist available in .40S&W that has a 4" barrel and has a grip safety that can be had in my desired price range.

Not really sure what you mean regarding grip.
These are not .380 weapons. They are large.
I think lack of knowledge/experience with them may have you confused.
Here is a photo with the 8 round mag (extended mag as with the XD) as opposed to dpstandard one of 7.
I have larger than average hands overall and the grip is fine.
I really think you need to see them in person, feel them, shoot them, and only then will you really know what suits you.
As for accuracy, it is false to think longer barrel guarantees that.
I can shoot a shorter barrel but heavier weapon and probably be as accurate as with any long barrel that may be lighter. The weight of the gun has a major effect on recoil, along with your choice of ammo.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/D3815441-1813-471F-A587-1CFC2EA3A7F1-7200-000003036910F12C.jpg

[Blueface]

Here is the grip on a full size Glock 21 (.45).
As you can see, minimal difference between a monster as guns go and a compact.
In fact, while I enjoy shooting both, the Shield feels better as I have a better grip on it than the larger 45.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/5725F8E4-EFE2-4B15-9522-BDE203E9DCDA-7200-0000030588D00A52.jpg

Hope that back to back comparison helps.

[Blueface]

Latest addition to family.
Wife's Sig P238 HD in .380.
The HD is for heavy duty, which is a heavier version of the P238.
Amazingly accurate and minimal to nil recoil as result of the added weight to frame.
Basically a mini 1911 that wants to someday grow up. Awesome weapon for anyone use to carrying with the hammer cocked like 1911 users.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/59F3058C-F040-4A70-94EB-776C3846F252-7200-00000306CCFE0DF6.jpg

[forgop]

This chick is off her rocker
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

[CigarSquid]

Crazy!

[forgop]

Not really sure what you mean regarding grip.
These are not .380 weapons. They are large.
I think lack of knowledge/experience with them may have you confused.
Here is a photo with the 8 round mag (extended mag as with the XD) as opposed to dpstandard one of 7.
I have larger than average hands overall and the grip is fine.
I really think you need to see them in person, feel them, shoot them, and only then will you really know what suits you.
As for accuracy, it is false to think longer barrel guarantees that.
I can shoot a shorter barrel but heavier weapon and probably be as accurate as with any long barrel that may be lighter. The weight of the gun has a major effect on recoil, along with your choice of ammo.



Thanks for the pics for reference. Gives me a better idea of the sizes as I was thinking the grip was smaller for some reason. I'm hoping to do some looking at one of the local sporting goods stores Friday afternoon.

[dijit]

This chick is off her rocker
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Yes she is a complete anti gun nut job. Soon I fear we will have a ban on many weapons based on the vague wording in the draft of the bill. Terms like "military like, detachable magazine, and others will make it very easy to outlaw at later dates anything that isnt a revolver or black powder. They could even make an argument for a revolver since they have speed loaders for those that could be termed as magazines. The term "detachable magazine" is used numerous times in the pdf bill and only 2 times I think in conjunction with "more than 10 rounds."

[Blueface]

That bill passes, I am the tooth fairy.
I can see changes to the laws coming but she is on the extreme side of view and won't make it through the House.

[spectrrr]

That bill passes, I am the tooth fairy.
I can see changes to the laws coming but she is on the extreme side of view and won't make it through the House.

mmm, probably not this time...

Unfortunately, gun owners are starting to lose the media war. After so many mass shootings, and so many talking heads telling us its the hi capacity mags and assault weapons, and so many people NOT talking about the societal changes that sparked this rash of shootings ONLY in the last few decades, a portion of gun owners themselves are beginning to drink the coolaid... regardless of whether this one passes, the next one will IMO.

[Blueface]

mmm, probably not this time...

Unfortunately, gun owners are starting to lose the media war. After so many mass shootings, and so many talking heads telling us its the hi capacity mags and assault weapons, and so many people NOT talking about the societal changes that sparked this rash of shootings ONLY in the last few decades, a portion of gun owners themselves are beginning to drink the coolaid... regardless of whether this one passes, the next one will IMO.

No doubt, specially should the balance in the House change.
There is no doubt some change is coming in the immediate future.

[spectrrr]

My favorite statistic that people can't seem to "jive" with their fantasy is that gun ownership in the USA has been declining over the last 30 years. At least when measured on a per house basis. Gun sales are up, but that's because more folks that do own guns, own more of them, but actual number of people that own guns appears to be declining, and certainly the culture that permits and accepts guns (and trains kids in their use) has been declining steadily...

AND YET we have an marked uptick in violence only in the last ~15 years.
Riddle me that one. Please.

Without fail... crickets is all I get.
Might just be time to find a different scapegoat, it clearly isn't the guns!

[big pete]

What kind of ammo are you guys using for HD (specifically in 9mm)?

[theonlybear4CORT]

I have ranger-T not sure if its the best but its suppose to be the modern black talon from what I have seen on the net.

[Blueface]

What kind of ammo are you guys using for HD (specifically in 9mm)?

I have Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, Hornady Critical Defense and Ranger-T.

[spectrrr]

I carry Hornady - is it the best? I don't know! But I'm confident it will do it's job if I do mine.

[spectrrr]

This article is long, but somewhat well written. The kind of thing you can send to open minded friends to educate them in advance of the media storm already raging.

http://1389blog.com/2012/12/23/larry-correia-refutes-the-gun-controllers-once-and-for-all/

[emopunker2004]

No offense guys but lets keep the politics out of here for the most part so Peter doesn't walk in here and shut this thread down. :2

As far as ammo goes, go watch tnoutdoors9 on youtube. He's done alot of ammo tests on various SD rounds.

[spectrrr]

Sorry Justin (and Peter ;)), you are absolutely right, back to the hardware :tu

*laughs* and with most very store in the country cleaned out and stripped bare, and I think a lot of people had a very good Christmas with regards to hardware. :dance:

[emopunker2004]

:r no worries man.

Well I managed to pick up 2 possibly 4 hundred round of .223 online today :D

[bonjing]

What kind of ammo are you guys using for HD (specifically in 9mm)?

In my rotation 124gr +p goldot and 147gr federal hst

[big a]

Not really sure what you mean regarding grip.
These are not .380 weapons. They are large.
I think lack of knowledge/experience with them may have you confused.
Here is a photo with the 8 round mag (extended mag as with the XD) as opposed to dpstandard one of 7.
I have larger than average hands overall and the grip is fine.
I really think you need to see them in person, feel them, shoot them, and only then will you really know what suits you.
As for accuracy, it is false to think longer barrel guarantees that.
I can shoot a shorter barrel but heavier weapon and probably be as accurate as with any long barrel that may be lighter. The weight of the gun has a major effect on recoil, along with your choice of ammo.



Other than the extra round with the 9, any additional reason you chose this over the 40? I have been half looking for a shield and xds .45 but no one can keep them in. The largest retailer around me says the 9mm shields are all spoken for on the next couple orders at the rate their going. Just wondering what's making the 9 that much more desirable

[emopunker2004]

Andrew, I bet ammo price and recoil play a factor.

[Steve]

Andrew, I bet ammo price and recoil play a factor.

And availability

[spectrrr]

Well I managed to pick up 2 possibly 4 hundred round of .223 online today :D

I just added a bunch of plinker ammo to my cart that was showing in stock. When to check out and I got this message :r

We're sorry, Product is not currently in stock. It's expected in our warehouse on August 12, 2013 and will be shipped to you within 24 hours after its arrival.



Andrew, I bet ammo price and recoil play a factor.
This.
And availability
And this.

[emopunker2004]

And availability
Eh 9, 40, and 45 can all be found pretty readily, at least online

I just added a bunch of plinker ammo to my cart that was showing in stock. When to check out and I got this message :r

We're sorry, Product is not currently in stock. It's expected in our warehouse on August 12, 2013 and will be shipped to you within 24 hours after its arrival.

:r you need to find somewhere else to buy ammo...

[spectrrr]

Eh 9, 40, and 45 can all be found pretty readily, at least online



:r you need to find somewhere else to buy ammo...

:r prettymuch everywhere is sold out at this point. But that will improve in a few months.

Wont stop me from picking some up now on deal if I see it though! Can you ever have too much? :)

[pnoon]

No offense guys but lets keep the politics out of here for the most part so Peter doesn't walk in here and shut this thread down. :2

As far as ammo goes, go watch tnoutdoors9 on youtube. He's done alot of ammo tests on various SD rounds.

This has nothing to do with me.

It is the ToE that would deal with any violation of the rules and guidelines the ToE has established and expects the membership to abide by. The ToE thanks all of you for your cooperation and understanding.

Oh. And Justin. :fu2

[emopunker2004]

This has nothing to do with me.

It is the ToE that would deal with any violation of the rules and guidelines the ToE has established and expects the membership to abide by. The ToE thanks all of you for your cooperation and understanding.

Oh. And Justin. :fu2

:r
I know Peter but you came in here not too long ago and issued a warning to the people in the thread, so I mentioned you and Peter... :pn

[emopunker2004]

:r prettymuch everywhere is sold out at this point. But that will improve in a few months.

Wont stop me from picking some up now on deal if I see it though! Can you ever have too much? :)

Nope. What kind of ammo you looking for?

[theonlybear4CORT]

What kind of ammo are you guys using for HD (specifically in 9mm)?

little link I found (http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-3.html)

but the hst has a wicked looking expended pedal

[emopunker2004]

Here's the youtube channel to look through

http://www.youtube.com/user/tnoutdoors9/videos?view=0

[spectrrr]

Nope. What kind of ammo you looking for?

:r lord, what am I not..

I'd say my most pressing concern is my 9mm on hand is considerably lower than the rest that I have. Besides that, .223 (always), maybe 7.62x39 if its cheap enough, I'm keeping an eye out for some mid quality .22 ammo at cut rate prices (Got a bunch of the golden bullets, but those are SH!T).

I'd also pick up anything CHEAP I found in .30 06 / .308 win / 7.62x51 - one of those calibers is on the horizon for hunting, and I figured if I get the wrong caliber, I can always trade it/sell it for the one I need later.

[emopunker2004]

9mm ball or jhp?

[emopunker2004]

7.62

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/100rds-762x39-wpa-military-classic-124gr-fmj-ammo/cName/762x39-full-metal-jacket
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Ammunition/Rifle-Ammunition%7C/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104532480/Herters-Rifle-Ammunition-Tins/706333.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshoot ing-ammunition-rifle-ammunition%2F_%2FN-1100190%2FNe-592%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104532480%3FWTz_l%3DUnknown%253Bcat10 4792580%253Bcat104691780%26WTz_srn%3DBy%2BCaliber% 26WTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU&WTz_l=Unknown%3Bcat104792580%3Bcat104691780%3Bcat1 04532480

9mm

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php?cPath=23_61_118&filter_id=&sort=8a
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/featured/blazer-brass-115gr-9mm.html


30-06

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/3006-full-metal-jacket

[spectrrr]

7.62

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/product_info.php/pName/100rds-762x39-wpa-military-classic-124gr-fmj-ammo/cName/762x39-full-metal-jacket
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Ammunition/Rifle-Ammunition%7C/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104532480/Herters-Rifle-Ammunition-Tins/706333.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshoot ing-ammunition-rifle-ammunition%2F_%2FN-1100190%2FNe-592%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_104532480%3FWTz_l%3DUnknown%253Bcat10 4792580%253Bcat104691780%26WTz_srn%3DBy%2BCaliber% 26WTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU&WTz_l=Unknown%3Bcat104792580%3Bcat104691780%3Bcat1 04532480

9mm

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php?cPath=23_61_118&filter_id=&sort=8a
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/featured/blazer-brass-115gr-9mm.html


30-06

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/3006-full-metal-jacket

mmm, nice, thanks :tu
Just cheap target practice ammo for the 9mm. Pistol shooting is a skill that takes a lot of practice to perform even adequately!

[Blueface]

Other than the extra round with the 9, any additional reason you chose this over the 40? I have been half looking for a shield and xds .45 but no one can keep them in. The largest retailer around me says the 9mm shields are all spoken for on the next couple orders at the rate their going. Just wondering what's making the 9 that much more desirable

As others have said, cost of ammo, availability of ammo and primary one for me, recoil. I was not sure how a .40 would be in the thinner M&P.
I had it in my hands and meant to get a .40 that day but was a last second decision to go with the nine at suggestion of my son and salesman.
From all I have spoken to, majority note minimal recoil difference.
Other than ammo, can't go wrong with either.

I recommend you check regularly with Shoot Straight. They are a big S&W dealer and seem to have them more often. That is where I got mine. They are all over Florida. Not sure if in any other states. Also, they sell them at non jacked up prices, at suggested retail of $449.

[maninblack]

A proud moment in any Dad's life, when his son gets his first real gun. My 10yr old Max, got an Old Henry Golden Boy .22 for Christmas. Just waiting for it to warm up before we go out and shoot it and I get to teach him firearm safety. Very proud.

[spectrrr]

A proud moment in any Dad's life, when his son gets his first real gun. My 10yr old Max, got an Old Henry Golden Boy .22 for Christmas. Just waiting for it to warm up before we go out and shoot it and I get to teach him firearm safety. Very proud.

AWESOME! :tu

Some of the most cherished memories I carry of my father are of my guns and my tools, because he gave me my first ones, and taught me how to use them correctly.

[CigarSquid]

Question for you guys here.. Been shooting a long time. I have read so much about 115gr vs 124gr for 9mm.

I am trying to understand the difference and see what may be best.. for target and carry. I have been real close to ordering 100's of rounds online, to save. I have thought about the 1000 rounds or a few 100 rounds of different brands/grains.

Any suggestions? I have a Ruger LC9.

[dijit]

A proud moment in any Dad's life, when his son gets his first real gun. My 10yr old Max, got an Old Henry Golden Boy .22 for Christmas. Just waiting for it to warm up before we go out and shoot it and I get to teach him firearm safety. Very proud.

Sweet! My boy gets his first .22 on the 31st for his birthday.

[Blueface]

The difference is penetration v. Velocity.

The lower the grain, the greater the velocity but less penetration.
The higher the grain, the more penetration but less velocity.
124 was created to find a happy medium and get a bit of both worlds, rather than more of one and not enough of the other.

As such, I try to buy the more popular 124.

[CigarSquid]

I was reading that.. So far, I think I will buy 100 or so of 115gr and 124gr and see which the guns likes and what I like..

[emopunker2004]

Question for you guys here.. Been shooting a long time. I have read so much about 115gr vs 124gr for 9mm.

I am trying to understand the difference and see what may be best.. for target and carry. I have been real close to ordering 100's of rounds online, to save. I have thought about the 1000 rounds or a few 100 rounds of different brands/grains.

Any suggestions? I have a Ruger LC9.

For the range I say buy what's cheapest. For carry I recommend heavy for caliber which for 9mm is 147gr or 147gr+p

[Blueface]

For the range I say buy what's cheapest. For carry I recommend heavy for caliber which for 9mm is 147gr or 147gr+p

For range, agree.
for protection, I would say depends on where you live.
In Florida, penetration not an issue as seldom folks wearing layers.
In the colder areas, would consider penetration a must in the winter.
While I prefer 124 and that is the most I have, I own quite a few rounds of 115 and 147 also.

[CigarSquid]

Is there a big recoil difference in the 115, 124, 147?

[dijit]

Question for you guys here.. Been shooting a long time. I have read so much about 115gr vs 124gr for 9mm.

I am trying to understand the difference and see what may be best.. for target and carry. I have been real close to ordering 100's of rounds online, to save. I have thought about the 1000 rounds or a few 100 rounds of different brands/grains.

Any suggestions? I have a Ruger LC9.

It really comes down to personal preference for the most part. A lighter round will give higher velocity and slightly lower static energy (knock down power) and vice versa for a heavier round. When I had my 9mm I used 124's for target and for defense but only because at the time the Speer Gold Dot did not come in 147gr for reloading. My thought process on this really was I didnt need the high velocities of lighter bullets, because if I ever got into a self defense situation they would most likely be less than 10 ft from and I wanted to knock them down with the first shot. The heavier and faster opening JHP like gold dot, golden sabre, and black talons will deliver this in the most effective manner. Hydra Shok's arent bad either.

[Blueface]

Is there a big recoil difference in the 115, 124, 147?

Difference, yes.
Big? Not to me.

[dijit]

Is there a big recoil difference in the 115, 124, 147?

There is a slight recoil difference but if you are accustomed to your weapon it will be minimal and should not affect target acquisition very much. The heavier round will have slightly higher recoil.

[CigarSquid]

I doubt I would notice the recoil.

I guess I may buy a 50 round pack of the 3 then, 115, 124 and 147 and try them this weekend.

[Steve]

A proud moment in any Dad's life, when his son gets his first real gun. My 10yr old Max, got an Old Henry Golden Boy .22 for Christmas. Just waiting for it to warm up before we go out and shoot it and I get to teach him firearm safety. Very proud.

Awesome Kevin! I know he's loving it :banger

My dad mentioned a few months ago that he would love to have one as well. Shortly thereafter I stumbled on one for a great price. He looked like a 10 year old boy Christmas morning when he opened it up...beat the heck out of giving him gift cards to Lowes :D

[forgop]

Going to try my luck in finding the M&P shield in a .40. Read somewhere that 40k of them are on backorder. :(

[Blueface]

Going to try my luck in finding the M&P shield in a .40. Read somewhere that 40k of them are on backorder. :(

Awesome choice but will take patience and diligence to get. The hunt may even wear you down and cause you to give up.
Start here.
http://www.shoot-straight.com/
Call them daily if you have to.
They don't have them today and suddenly, one passes by the store and there they are waiting to be bought, then as fast as they came, they are gone.
This place is a large reputable outfit.

[MurphysLaw]

Awesome choice but will take patience and diligence to get. The hunt may even wear you down and cause you to give up.
Start here.
http://www.shoot-straight.com/
Call them daily if you have to.
They don't have them today and suddenly, one passes by the store and there they are waiting to be bought, then as fast as they came, they are gone.
This place is a large reputable outfit.

+1 for using this retailer. I bought my Kimber from there last week, they gave me a discount on the price even before I had the chance to ask for their bottom dollar number.

[Remo]

My two M&P's in 9mm. Love them :tu

12896

[Remo]

http://youtu.be/rYaM7HTb2uI

Love this song, from a few years back but sooooo fitting :tu

[spectrrr]

wow... just stumbled across a vendor with 90 round AR15 drum mags in stock. Selling at the relatively fair price of $130 too... Something tells me that won't last long :)

Always wanted to get a drum mag myself... but, at that price, I can get 10x30 round mags... still haven't been able to justify it.

[Blueface]

Just got some awesome news that made my day.
My Armalite AR10 I bought 11 days ago just shipped.
As my kids would say, "are we there yet?".

[Brian D.]

wow... just stumbled across a vendor with 90 round AR15 drum mags in stock. Selling at the relatively fair price of $130 too... Something tells me that won't last long :)

Always wanted to get a drum mag myself... but, at that price, I can get 10x30 round mags... still haven't been able to justify it.

Francis I've never trusted the drums to work right, generally speaking. Admittedly that's based on ones I saw some years back, in practice and competition. (No one flame me please, if you have drums that run right in your gun, more power to ya.:))

Perhaps the ones of today have had the bugs worked out, I dunno. Good way to find out would be ask folks who shoot Three Gun matches.

[thebayratt]

I finally finished up my 1943 Mosin Nagant. It was a project I have been wanting to do for a while. I got all the cosmoline out and off of it. Then sanded the finish off the stock (left the engraved markings), stained and put 7 coats of Tru oil on it.
Took it to the range and put about 25 rounds through it. Its a fun and pretty accurate gun to shoot. Yet it kicks like a 2ton mule when bench resting it.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u672/NTA_Shawn/A-1XSH0CQAAVyze_zps05fc9df9.jpg

[Remo]

I finally finished up my 1943 Mosin Nagant. It was a project I have been wanting to do for a while. I got all the cosmoline out and off of it. Then sanded the finish off the stock (left the engraved markings), stained and put 7 coats of Tru oil on it.
Took it to the range and put about 25 rounds through it. Its a fun and pretty accurate gun to shoot. Yet it kicks like a 2ton mule when bench resting it.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u672/NTA_Shawn/A-1XSH0CQAAVyze_zps05fc9df9.jpg

Nice, I bet that does have some wallop!

[Ashcan Bill]

I finally finished up my 1943 Mosin Nagant. It was a project I have been wanting to do for a while. I got all the cosmoline out and off of it. Then sanded the finish off the stock (left the engraved markings), stained and put 7 coats of Tru oil on it.
Took it to the range and put about 25 rounds through it. Its a fun and pretty accurate gun to shoot. Yet it kicks like a 2ton mule when bench resting it.



I use a strap-on Past recoil pad when shooting my Mausers. Dulls the mule kick to a hammer blow. ;)

[forgop]

Anyone have a IWB holder they recommend?

[Blueface]

Anyone have a IWB holder they recommend?

http://pjholster.com/

Amazingly non existent thin.
Will post some photos.

[Blueface]

Check out my Shield with one of Paul's holsters.
I just ordered a third from him.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/E08F104B-8FBF-4745-9FC9-CD60DC4DBD18-7200-000003ACEC56ECB6.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/85011998-0FC6-4DCF-A623-707D71FBBD63-7200-000003ACF09244F3.jpg

[CigarSquid]

Just ordered one from http://theisholsters.com.

Should be about 2 weeks. Let you know then.

[emopunker2004]

I also recommend pjholster. Theis holsters are good to go too, especially for a full size gun. I have a pj coming for my kahr

[spectrrr]

Francis I've never trusted the drums to work right, generally speaking. Admittedly that's based on ones I saw some years back, in practice and competition. (No one flame me please, if you have drums that run right in your gun, more power to ya.:))

Perhaps the ones of today have had the bugs worked out, I dunno. Good way to find out would be ask folks who shoot Three Gun matches.

They make em a lot better these days... but there are still some issues with em... and I too have a bit of lingering distrust.

I'm pretty sure the 3gun guys use 48 round mags :tu

[emopunker2004]

I'm with you Francis. You can buy too many 30rd mags for the price of a drum. Elander makes a 40rd mag that looks promising. www.themakogroup.com has them. I ordered 6 of their steel 30rd mags a few days ago. :D

[spectrrr]

Good price on those steel 30 rounders...
but pmags have always worked for me, so I'll probably just stick with em.
I ordered "a few" of the DSG arms pmags, I think I'm all set :r

I did pick up one of the nordic expansion mags to turn a pmag into a 48 round mag. At $26/ea + the pmag, I couldn't really justify more than one of em... maybe I'll regret that if I start 3-gunning next year, but for now, one's enough.

BEST use I could think of for a drum would be a very fun shooting run with a bump fire stock. But I guess if you can afford to dump 90 rounds downrange at that speed, you can also afford the drum :tg

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Cheaper than dirt has come mags back in stock. No price inflation, none at all. ONLY $99.97 for a used 30 rnd USGI mag. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ItemListing.aspx?catid=6652
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-068

[spectrrr]

Ran across a quality looking billet stripped lower for $220.... but eh, problem these days is all the machine shops are cranking out ONLY lowers, so it's even more impossible to find any other parts for the thing!! "build your own" has become all but impossible.

[emopunker2004]

the only problem right now with PMAGS is actually physically getting them :r

Right now I have a 10-pk of the DSG D&H GI mags with magpul followers on order, who know when I'll get them.

I ordered 6 of the steel from mako and I should have those within a week. Pmags are awesome but I think those GI mags DSG sells with the magpul follower are awesome too

[spectrrr]

magpul stopped most production on colored pmags and is just making black now to keep up with the demand. I'm pretty certain I'll get my DSG pmags within a month. Brownells is selling black pmag 10-packs now as well (more expensive than DSG tho). And more tellingly, DSG ended their holiday sale on Dec. 24, but brought it BACK for another run from Dec. 26-31.... Major Vendors like DSG and Brownells would not be doing that unless they had some rough indication from the manufacturers that the orders would be fillable in a semi-reasonable period of time.

[emopunker2004]

They stopped ALL color production until they get caught up on black. It's faster to make them black they said over on arfcom.

You do realize that there are many people over on arfcom who have backordered several hundred PMAGS each! DSG said right now they're looking at a 2-3 month wait for a PMAG order to be filled if you ordered the day they said that. That was said on like Thursday I think.

[spectrrr]

Palmetto has the M&P 40 in stock, but it's not the shield.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/handguns/smith-wesson-m-p40-nickel-boron-coated-barrel-and-slide-151152.html

[emopunker2004]

I can't wait til this gets here...

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/kahr/41512d1307922693-kahr-cw45-pix320129519.jpg

[spectrrr]

They stopped ALL color production until they get caught up on black. It's faster to make them black they said over on arfcom.

You do realize that there are many people over on arfcom who have backordered several hundred PMAGS each! DSG said right now they're looking at a 2-3 month wait for a PMAG order to be filled if you ordered the day they said that. That was said on like Thursday I think.

mmm no, I'm not reading the forums :)

Good thing I ordered mine on the 21st :tu

Shame on the colors, I'd really prefer FDE... but beggars can't be choosers :)

I'm actually more hampered by time than anyone else, since I'll be out of the country from mid March through the end of the year. Shipping will still work fine... I'll just get it when I get back. But if it's an actual firearm... that obviously won't work :/

[spectrrr]

I can't wait til this gets here...

http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/attachments/kahr/41512d1307922693-kahr-cw45-pix320129519.jpg

I'm eying a Glock 19... Only 9mm I have right now is the little Diamondback.. I could definitely use a robust, mid size duty pistol.

Maybe a shield 9mm though... depends on the deals I find.. and the mags I can get.

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For $365, that's a nice looking training gun (but I also happen to love the FDE color too) I suppose if not for all the other gun related things being purchased lately, I would have seriously considered it. I LOVE my 1911, but at the cost of .45 ammo....

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/firearms/handguns/sig-sauer/sig-sauer-1911-22-fde.html
http://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/9/1911-fde-detail-r.jpg

[emopunker2004]

Yeh but that Kahr is a 45 :D Gonna be a carry piece not a paper puncher.

Just buy a 1911 .22lr conversion for your 1911.

[spectrrr]

Yeh but that Kahr is a 45 :D Gonna be a carry piece not a paper puncher.

Just buy a 1911 .22lr conversion for your 1911.

Can't, my carry piece is a Kimber Ultra Carry, 4" barrel. Don't think they make conversions in that size... even if they did, don't think I really want to mess with my carry gun!

[MurphysLaw]

Can't, my carry piece is a Kimber Ultra Carry, 4" barrel. Don't think they make conversions in that size... even if they did, don't think I really want to mess with my carry gun!

The Kimber conversion kits work with the 4 and 5" barrels.

[spectrrr]

The Kimber conversion kits work with the 4 and 5" barrels.

oops, I misspoke, mine's a 3" barrel :)

[Catfish]

Friend of mine posted on Facepage yesterday that he was at a gun show.

$750 for an AR lower at a gun show? Are you friggin' kidding me?!!

[kaisersozei]

For Christmas I got the wife (and me :tu) a membership to an indoor range & local shooting academy. It's been a while since my army days when I qualified on a .45 & M16, so I'll need a bit of brushing up. My wife has never shot, but has wanted to learn for sometime. We went for the first time Friday and rented a Glock19, here's the results of the first 25 rounds she ever fired:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/DB5FFD2F-CF29-4019-921A-89C4BD50042E-36844-00000AA228560D7E.jpg

Only missed the target once, everything else was inside the lines at 25 feet. Pretty good for the first time out! She's planning on going at least once a week, renting a variety of handguns to figure out what we should purchase, and has enrolled in a training class for women.

[CigarSquid]

Nice shooting!

[MurphysLaw]

oops, I misspoke, mine's a 3" barrel :)

I figured you meant 3" since it's an ultra not a pro, but wanted to make sure anyone else reading knew the rim fire conversions will work on the 4 and 5"barrels

[MurphysLaw]

Friend of mine posted on Facepage yesterday that he was at a gun show.

$750 for an AR lower at a gun show? Are you friggin' kidding me?!!

I saw that too, plus the cheapest 30 rd AR mag at 85 bucks...makes me glad I stocked up a long time ago

[Remo]

oops, I misspoke, mine's a 3" barrel :)

That's what she said!! :sl :r

[Blueface]

I saw that too, plus the cheapest 30 rd AR mag at 85 bucks...makes me glad I stocked up a long time ago

Brian,
Are you heading to the Ft Lauderdale show on the 12th/13th?
I am going just for laughs to see how crazy the prices are right now.
Planning on also doing the Miami one the following weekend.

[emopunker2004]

Friend of mine posted on Facepage yesterday that he was at a gun show.

$750 for an AR lower at a gun show? Are you friggin' kidding me?!!

Lol where have u been? It's been like that for over a week. Supply and demand

[forgop]

I have my upper kit, 12 lower receivers, and 4 (30) round mags. I'm not in a hurry to pay the inflated prices. I'll turn around and sell the lowers for some good money when they finally come in.

[spectrrr]

That's what she said!! :sl :r

:r :r

[spectrrr]

I have my upper kit, 12 lower receivers, and 4 (30) round mags. I'm not in a hurry to pay the inflated prices. I'll turn around and sell the lowers for some good money when they finally come in.

At this point, finding the parts to complete the lower is getting harder than finding a stripped lower. Most shops switched all of their machining time to just making lowers!

I'm heading to the gun show next weekend to see the carnage. Wish I had an "extra" AR to sell, I'd do it in a heartbeat...

[MurphysLaw]

Brian,
Are you heading to the Ft Lauderdale show on the 12th/13th?
I am going just for laughs to see how crazy the prices are right now.
Planning on also doing the Miami one the following weekend.

I'm planning on going on the 13th, need to grab a few toys for the new 1911.

[Steve]

For Christmas I got the wife (and me :tu) a membership to an indoor range & local shooting academy. It's been a while since my army days when I qualified on a .45 & M16, so I'll need a bit of brushing up. My wife has never shot, but has wanted to learn for sometime. We went for the first time Friday and rented a Glock19, here's the results of the first 25 rounds she ever fired:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/DB5FFD2F-CF29-4019-921A-89C4BD50042E-36844-00000AA228560D7E.jpg

Only missed the target once, everything else was inside the lines at 25 feet. Pretty good for the first time out! She's planning on going at least once a week, renting a variety of handguns to figure out what we should purchase, and has enrolled in a training class for women.

Nice Gerard!

[Remo]

At this point, finding the parts to complete the lower is getting harder than finding a stripped lower. Most shops switched all of their machining time to just making lowers!

I'm heading to the gun show next weekend to see the carnage. Wish I had an "extra" AR to sell, I'd do it in a heartbeat...

I sold two off in 08' after the election, made a killing and paid for two more outright :tu......what the market will bear I guess :tu

[spectrrr]

That's better than I did the first time I shot a Glock!!

[spectrrr]

I sold two off in 08' after the election, made a killing and paid for two more outright :tu......what the market will bear I guess :tu

I had just sold mine a while back (didn't want that particular model), and purchased a new one at the beginning of December. I feel sorry for the poor guy that sold it to me, he's got to be kicking himself now...

[Remo]

I had just sold mine a while back (didn't want that particular model), and purchased a new one at the beginning of December. I feel sorry for the poor guy that sold it to me, he's got to be kicking himself now...

:r ya, you could send him a few more bucks :lr

[Blueface]

Hard to believe I bought my Armalite AR-10 less than two weeks ago for $1,400 and now selling on Gunbroker for $3,000.
While a $1,500 profit at a local gun show sounds tempting, getting one at regular price during such demand times and hanging on to it until I can get another eventually when and if prices drop sounds better. Would hate to sell it and then can no longer get one.

[Remo]

Hard to believe I bought my Armalite AR-10 less than two weeks ago for $1,400 and now selling on Gunbroker for $3,000.
While a $1,500 profit at a local gun show sounds tempting, getting one at regular price during such demand times and hanging on to it until I can get another eventually when and if prices drop sounds better. Would hate to sell it and then can no longer get one.

Hold onto it!

[Blueface]

Hold onto it!

Yeah, when it arrives (shipped yesterday), after I stare at it for a while and hug and caress it, right into the safe for good it will go.
Don't plan on shooting it.
Will just rent it at local range whenever in the mood to fire a .308.

[Thrak]

I just picked up a Remington 597, came with some extras... I'm going to enjoy this little thing. :) And when my son gets old enough he'll be able to shoot it too... (he's 7 now)

[emopunker2004]

I have my upper kit, 12 lower receivers, and 4 (30) round mags. I'm not in a hurry to pay the inflated prices. I'll turn around and sell the lowers for some good money when they finally come in.

If you want more mags at a decent price go to themakogroup.com
They have steel mags that are great! They're like $19 a piece and in stock.

[Blueface]

If you want more mags at a decent price go to themakogroup.com
They have steel mags that are great! They're like $19 a piece and in stock.

Great price but they kill you with shipping.
$19 for two mags.

[spectrrr]

My biggest problem is time on any replacement equipment. Starting in mid March I'll be south of the border for a year. So if there is a ban, or isn't, no matter, if it's not replaced in 2 months, it probably never will be!

[emopunker2004]

Great price but they kill you with shipping.
$19 for two mags.

use the code FREE-GRND to get free shipping if you spend $100 or more :tu

[Blueface]

use the code FREE-GRND to get free shipping if you spend $100 or more :tu

Have you used their mags?
Seems worthwhile for $19 with free shipping if over $100.

[emopunker2004]

I have 6 on order. Ill send u the thread from arfcom later

[Blueface]

I have 6 on order. Ill send u the thread from arfcom later

No worries.
Was just reading thread.
Ordering some shortly, if wife doesn't kill me first.

[emopunker2004]

Here's the one i've been reading http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_17/595156_Israeli_E_Lander_Mags_.html

Hey Francis. AR replacement parts should still be available during a ban.

[spectrrr]

I think I'm in love.

Just found a perfect looking carry gun (to me).

12+1 .40 S&W, smaller than a kimber ultra carry, a bit lighter, with all of the lovely 1911 ergonomics I love. Note that it's NOT a 1911 however, they're calling it a "2011" design, I'm not sure what all the modification done to the original design are. Certainly something to permit double stacked mags...

There's just a minor little niggle with the price :bh

http://old.stiguns.com/guns/Eclipse/Eclipse.php

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/320450000/320450285/pix554018048.jpg

[jluck]

I think I'm in love.

Just found a perfect looking carry gun (to me).

12+1 .40 S&W, smaller than a kimber ultra carry, a bit lighter, with all of the lovely 1911 ergonomics I love. Note that it's NOT a 1911 however, they're calling it a "2011" design, I'm not sure what all the modification done to the original design are. Certainly something to permit double stacked mags...

There's just a minor little niggle with the price :bh

http://old.stiguns.com/guns/Eclipse/Eclipse.php

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/320450000/320450285/pix554018048.jpg

That grip looks short and must be 2"wide to have a capacity like that.

[Remo]

Sexy little gun...but the price is :gary!!!

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

I think I'm in love.

Just found a perfect looking carry gun (to me).

12+1 .40 S&W, smaller than a kimber ultra carry, a bit lighter, with all of the lovely 1911 ergonomics I love. Note that it's NOT a 1911 however, they're calling it a "2011" design, I'm not sure what all the modification done to the original design are. Certainly something to permit double stacked mags...

There's just a minor little niggle with the price :bh

http://old.stiguns.com/guns/Eclipse/Eclipse.php

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/320450000/320450285/pix554018048.jpg

Wow that is nice looking gun! I need to start looking at handguns again seriously now that Illinois will have a CCW on the books soon. Still looking at the G29.

[MurphysLaw]

Para-ordinance makes some ultra compact 1911s with double stacked mags as well. I didn't like the way they felt in my hand compared to a single stack .45

[Blueface]

use the code FREE-GRND to get free shipping if you spend $100 or more :tu

Ordered three 30 and one 40 to get over the $100 hump for free shipping.
I don't have any mags with more than 30 capacity so I guess good to have one for the day anarchy comes so I can get off 10 shots.
I didn't think the price of $48 for a 40 is that bad when Surefire gets $129 for a 60 round one.
I am not a fan of anything more than this as more likely than not to jam.

Now to figure out how to hide all these credit card purchases lately for guns, rifles, ammo and accessories from wife.

[spectrrr]

That grip looks short and must be 2"wide to have a capacity like that.

Short is perfect for me, I have TINY hands for a guy.
Wide.... not so much! although a G30 fits my hand just fine.... (but a G21 doesn't!)

Para-ordinance makes some ultra compact 1911s with double stacked mags as well. I didn't like the way they felt in my hand compared to a single stack .45

mmm, I've never held one of those before...

Now to figure out how to hide all these credit card purchases lately for guns, rifles, ammo and accessories from wife.

:r :r

Regardless of what happens in congress, in April I'll be under my own Weapons Ban, commonly known as "wedding cake", and it will include all firearms (BUT with an ironclad grandfather clause). She's not pro-gun (not yet - you wouldn't be either if your only exposure to them was looking down the wrong end of it a couple times a year while getting mugged), but she's at least willing to give it a try. So I'm stocking up on anything I think I MIGHT need in the next few years! Selling it later is an option, buying it won't be!

[spectrrr]

HILARIOUS. (I just found this guy's channel, he's got some really great SHORT videos regarding guns that get right to the point).

You know you're a gun nut when:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-i0CNA73kY

[Blueface]

Short is perfect for me, I have TINY hands for a guy.
Wide.... not so much! although a G30 fits my hand just fine.... (but a G21 doesn't!)



mmm, I've never held one of those before...



:r :r

Regardless of what happens in congress, in April I'll be under my own Weapons Ban, commonly known as "wedding cake", and it will include all firearms (BUT with an ironclad grandfather clause). She's not pro-gun (not yet - you wouldn't be either if your only exposure to them was looking down the wrong end of it a couple times a year while getting mugged), but she's at least willing to give it a try. So I'm stocking up on anything I think I MIGHT need in the next few years! Selling it later is an option, buying it won't be!

I am planning on the "it's for investment, honey" defense for all my recent debt/purchases.
Will let you know how it all works out.:r

[forgop]

If you want more mags at a decent price go to themakogroup.com
They have steel mags that are great! They're like $19 a piece and in stock.


My mags are on order with Brownell's and have a January backorder. Sadly, the max you could order was just 2 each when I placed the order.

[TNT009]

Glad they aren't raising prices on gear for LEO here in San Diego!

[emopunker2004]

:pu plastic triggerguard on a 1911?

[emopunker2004]

Glad they aren't raising prices on gear for LEO here in San Diego!

That's because everything is sold out nationwide :r
No joke, Daniel Defense is sold out of Rifles and Uppers already thru the end of 2013! :gary

[bonjing]

Regardless of what happens in congress, in April I'll be under my own Weapons Ban, commonly known as "wedding cake", and it will include all firearms (BUT with an ironclad grandfather clause). She's not pro-gun (not yet - you wouldn't be either if your only exposure to them was looking down the wrong end of it a couple times a year while getting mugged), but she's at least willing to give it a try. So I'm stocking up on anything I think I MIGHT need in the next few years! Selling it later is an option, buying it won't be!

Seriously? Mugged a few times? Damn glad she's ok!


I am planning on the "it's for investment, honey" defense for all my recent debt/purchases.
Will let you know how it all works out.:r

That's why all my guns look the same, "That's not new, that's been in the safe the whole time :D"

[Blueface]

For those interested in the Shield in .40.
Not bad, only $25 above suggested retail.
Given no one else has it, worth the price.

http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/smith-wesson-model-pistol-109303-actn-only-polymer-grips-sights-finish-p-22492.html

[Col. Kurtz]

I have 6 on order. Ill send u the thread from arfcom later

what's arfcom?

[Blueface]

what's arfcom?

I am guessing AR15.com forum.

[Col. Kurtz]

I am guessing AR15.com forum.

Thanks. Wow what a site!

[MurphysLaw]

Anyone have any experience with midwayusa? Have a couple items in my cart there, just want some feedback before I pull the trigger.