First Firearm Thread.

[Chainsaw13]

Oh crap. Just found this. Might need to get one for when I build a tack driver upper.

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/images/clk750W.jpg

[emopunker2004]

Anyone need any PMAGS? I know a place you can get them for $25/each.

[Digs]

Anyone need any PMAGS? I know a place you can get them for $25/each.

Ya, I need the case of them I ordered from Brownells on 12.26 for $11.95 each :r:lr

[emopunker2004]

yeh but $25 is a steal considering

[spectrrr]

Complete CMMG 9mm lower, $400 http://grabagun.com/cmmg-lower-complete-9mm-w-6-pos-1.html

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Want one of these now, prices are crazy right now though. I guess people are really willing to pay high prices for rifles.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=400

[emopunker2004]

Want one of these now, prices are crazy right now though. I guess people are really willing to pay high prices for rifles.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=400

I absolutely HATE anything proprietary, one reason I'm a fan of 300BLK. .30cal projectile but standard AR15 parts except the barrel.

[Brian D.]

Bought up some "vintage" CAVIM 7.62x51 ammo this weekend. (2005 date of production.) Seller was an old friend, he sold it to me at more or less pre-hysteria pricing. Didn't make the buy just for the hell of it though, was actually something that's been on my shopping list for a spell now.

Maybe spectrrr can start getting me more of this stuff since the factory is in Venezuela. -(P

[jluck]

:wo:wo I just ordered my 6.5 Grendel upper, ammo and mags!


'Here deery deery deery....:gn

[spectrrr]

Bought up some "vintage" CAVIM 7.62x51 ammo this weekend. (2005 date of production.) Seller was an old friend, he sold it to me at more or less pre-hysteria pricing. Didn't make the buy just for the hell of it though, was actually something that's been on my shopping list for a spell now.

Maybe spectrrr can start getting me more of this stuff since the factory is in Venezuela. -(P

you'd probably have more luck buying it here!! Not exactly a "free" country ;)

[Gabe215]

Traded in my Remington 1911 R1 for a Taurus 85, 38 special and cash tonight!

[spectrrr]

Botach just tried to charge my card (they failed, cuz the card got stolen and shut down 2 days ago, grrr).... but there's not many items left on the order... could it really be so... could they really be shipping it! lol

[emopunker2004]

:r

But, damn your CC got stolen? That sux. Or maybe Botach is trying to screw you...

[spectrrr]

Yeah, banks fraud dept caught a bogus transaction being made on Saturday and locked it down. So now I'm stuck waiting a week for another. Gonna miss that card, the number had enough of a pattern to it that I had it memorized, never had to pull it out to use it :)

[emopunker2004]

:r yeh i have mine memorized too.

[spectrrr]

came in handy for some of the "buy it quick or lose it" sales in January :r

[Chainsaw13]

What are your guys thoughts on Seekins Precision and LAR Grizzly parts? Was thinking a Seekins 223 lower and a LAR OPS-4 upper receiver for a start of a build. If I could only find the parts at halfway decent prices.

[emopunker2004]

Seekins makes good stuff. That's all I got for ya though lol

[Chainsaw13]

Seekins makes good stuff. That's all I got for ya though lol

That's what I was hoping to hear. I like the look of their lower for a bench gun.

[emopunker2004]

All their stuff is good. They make some sexy quad rails too.

[mahtofire14]

I'm looking at purchasing my first hand gun. I will mostly use it at the range and not primarily a conceal and carry. That being said, I have found three that I really like. The Glock 23, Springfield's XD, and the Sig P250. I love the way all three of these shoot. I'm leaning towards the Sig because it is a modular handgun and you can buy the conversion kit to change out the full size to the subcompact size when needed. Thought?

[emopunker2004]

I'm a glock fanboy so nothing further need be said.

[cobra03]

I'm a glock fanboy so nothing further need be said.

:tpd: I own a Glock 23 and personally I love it. Its good to shoot at the range but isnt to large to carry conceled if you need to.

[mahtofire14]

The Glock was probably my favorite to shoot. The price point of the Sig and the functionality of it are selling me right now......:sh

[emopunker2004]

Well from what I've seen the 250 is the black sheep of the sig line among sig fans

[mahtofire14]

Really? I have seen or heard next to no poor reviews on the p250.

[Boz]

I'm a glock fanboy so nothing further need be said.

:tpd: I own a Glock 23 and personally I love it. Its good to shoot at the range but isnt to large to carry conceled if you need to.

<-----Also a fan of the 23 :tu

[smitty81]

<-----Also a fan of the 23 :tu

I got a G17C, G20 and a G33. Love my Glocks. I was thinking of getting a G19 but I think I will just throw a barrel in my 33 for now.

[emopunker2004]

The good thing about Glocks is that with a barrel and sometimes mag swap you can change calliber. 40SW --> 357 sig etc. Glocks are very simple and easy to work on.

[smitty81]

The good thing about Glocks is that with a barrel and sometimes mag swap you can change calliber. 40SW --> 357 sig etc. Glocks are very simple and easy to work on.

Indeed. I can shoot the 40,9,357 and I'd have to double check but might even be able to shoot the 10 all out of one gun with the required changes of corse.:tu

[emopunker2004]

Indeed. I can shoot the 40,9,357 and I'd have to double check but might even be able to shoot the 10 all out of one gun with the required changes of corse.:tu

9mm requires mag change and the 10mm can only be shot out of the 45 models with barrel and mag changes.

[smitty81]

9mm requires mag change and the 10mm can only be shot out of the 45 models with barrel and mag changes.

I'd change the mag with each caliber anyhow. Wasn't sure on the 10mm though.

I'm thinking I might buy a 9mm barrel for my 33

[emopunker2004]

the 357 and 40 use the same mags and follower

[smitty81]

the 357 and 40 use the same mags and follower

Same follower too? Huh wasn't aware of that.

[emopunker2004]

Yeh. the 357 is just a 40 case necked down to take a 9mm bullet. since the bulk of the case is the same and the part that contacts the follower is the same, they have the same follower. Much like you can shoot 300BLK in a 300BLK AR with regular 5.56 mags.

[Brian D.]

I wish some of the other polymer handguns would come out in 10mm. Got a pair of Glock model 20s. They do the job for carry in bear/wild boar country but I seem to shoot the Springfield XD guns better. Not very much hands on with the Smith Wesson M&P's but I believe the same is true for me with those versus the Glocks.

I've owned a Colt Delta Elite but sold it after realizing I was not gonna use it for carry out in the wilds. Too dang pretty.

[mahtofire14]

That's the same as the Sig p250. It can change out from full to compact, to sub compact. Also can change cal from 9 to 40 to 45 ACP. Won't do 10 though.

[Digs]

I'm looking at purchasing my first hand gun. I will mostly use it at the range and not primarily a conceal and carry. That being said, I have found three that I really like. The Glock 23, Springfield's XD, and the Sig P250. I love the way all three of these shoot. I'm leaning towards the Sig because it is a modular handgun and you can buy the conversion kit to change out the full size to the subcompact size when needed. Thought?

I do not like the Sig 250 its DA trigger pull is horrible, I have now played with 2 of them over the last 6 months were the owners complain of shooting chronically to the left. The last one I looked at last week had the rear sight drifted all the way over and still wasn’t shooting center..... Plus they only come with 1 mag! and last I checked the mags for them were like $39 ea(compared to $20-$25 for factory Glock mags) 4th Gen Glocks come with 3 mags.:tu

In my opinion the Sig 250 is meant to compete with the Tarus Millennium and pistols of that appeal.

There is no one pistol that can adapt to all scenarios, kind of like trying to use a hammer as a screw driver, paint brush or level, lol . Generally “Modular” do it all designs only attract first time buyers.

Like mentioned already my Glock’s are usually my go to gun, personally if its your first CCW handgun I would recommend you look at the G19 also right now still in love with my XD's. 45 although I am not a HUGE XD fan.

[issues]

I'm in a similar boat as Pete, I have decided on 2 different pistols and need to pick one; both in 40 S&W and both fully ambidextrous (I'm a lefty).

First is the Walther PPQ known for their excellent ergos and possibly the best trigger of any polymer pistol. Comes with 2 mags with 12 round capacity and 3 interchangeable back straps.

The other is the FNH FNS. Good trigger, external safety, night sights standard, 3 14 round mags, 2 back straps and a lower bore axis than the PPQ.

The prices are almost identical (within 20 dollars). Any advice would be appreciated.

[issues]

Nevermind, went with the PPQ 40. It was my first choice and they we selling fast!

Should have it in the next couple of weeks!!! :banger

[Digs]

I collect vintage Walthers / I don't think anything they made in recent years deserves to wear the banner. The PPQ looks to much like a HiPoint :r

[issues]

I collect vintage Walthers / I don't think anything they made in recent years deserves to wear the banner. The PPQ looks to much like a HiPoint :r

Ouch, harsh!

It is more comparable to a striker-fired H&K P30 than that firing brick.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/issues1975/P30_links_zpse00ee7fe.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/issues1975/W_PPQ40_WAP00Q40_R-cmyk_zps441c8da8.jpg

[jluck]

What are your guys thoughts on Seekins Precision and LAR Grizzly parts? Was thinking a Seekins 223 lower and a LAR OPS-4 upper receiver for a start of a build. If I could only find the parts at halfway decent prices.

LAR is no more...I love those OPS-4 ambi uppers too. You can dig deep in the pockets and go to gunbroker...

[Chainsaw13]

LAR is no more...I love those OPS-4 ambi uppers too. You can dig deep in the pockets and go to gunbroker...

Damn, not what i wanted to hear. I saw some things about Remington buying them out. I guess this will be my unicorn.

[Chainsaw13]

So here's a question. If I don't have a bore sight system, what's the best method to sight in my AR? Start at 25yd, dial it in, then move on to 100yd?

[bonjing]

Just google 25 yard zero, it'll give you what you need to know. I think it like 1" below poa.



Edit, this isn't mine just found it on google images:

http://m3.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/CURLY19/25MeterZero.jpg.html


After zeroing confirm at 100yards,

[MurphysLaw]

Just google 25 yard zero, it'll give you what you need to know. I think it like 1" below poa.



Edit, this isn't mine just found it on google images:

http://m3.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/CURLY19/25MeterZero.jpg.html


After zeroing confirm at 100yards,

I've used this countless times, works like a charm!

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

I wish some of the other polymer handguns would come out in 10mm. Got a pair of Glock model 20s. They do the job for carry in bear/wild boar country but I seem to shoot the Springfield XD guns better. Not very much hands on with the Smith Wesson M&P's but I believe the same is true for me with those versus the Glocks.

I've owned a Colt Delta Elite but sold it after realizing I was not gonna use it for carry out in the wilds. Too dang pretty.


Have a Glock 20SF and will be getting a 29SF soon. Wilson Combat or Nighthawk will be my 1911 choice. Both make some really nice looking 10mm autos.

[Chainsaw13]

Just google 25 yard zero, it'll give you what you need to know. I think it like 1" below poa.



Edit, this isn't mine just found it on google images:

http://m3.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/CURLY19/25MeterZero.jpg.html


After zeroing confirm at 100yards,

Thanks. Kinda had a feeling it was something like this after doing some you tubing of understanding MOA.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Kimber has some good looking 10s too. May get two 1911's soon, one in 10 and one in 45. Those Kimber Gold Match IIs are nice!

http://www.1911.sk/page_image/product/Kimber%20Gold%20Match%20II.jpg

[emopunker2004]

I've always wanted a 1911 in 38Super

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

38 super auto is a nice round. Kimber makes one.

[MurphysLaw]

That Kimber Gold Match is even prettier in person. I have a feeling I'll be buying a 3" 1911 once my wife gets her CCW and takes my Kahr PM9.

[TJarv]

Do any of y'all own a .17 HMR? I may be in the market for one and was just trying to get some insight

[Brian D.]

Do any of y'all own a .17 HMR? I may be in the market for one and was just trying to get some insight

What type of firearm, rifle or handgun? Reason I ask is that so far there has been more negative than positive with semiauto handguns chambered for either .17 variant. Not sure any of the name makers are producing them now. From what I've been told it's somewhat the same with semiauto rifles, lots of functioning issues.

Couple of friends have bolt action rifles chambered for the .17 HMR and have had good luck with short range jackrabbit/prairie dog hunting, the small critters drop dead right on the spot most of the time.

[safariguy]

I wish some of the other polymer handguns would come out in 10mm. Got a pair of Glock model 20s. They do the job for carry in bear/wild boar country but I seem to shoot the Springfield XD guns better. Not very much hands on with the Smith Wesson M&P's but I believe the same is true for me with those versus the Glocks.

I've owned a Colt Delta Elite but sold it after realizing I was not gonna use it for carry out in the wilds. Too dang pretty.

Have you ever shot a bear with either of the 20's? Curions as to how the 10mm performed. I'm looking at getting one to carry while guiding bear hunts in SE Alaska. Everyone else carries 44 mags but that's just because they are more comfortable with revolvers. I carry a Glock 22 every day so I'd feel just fine with the 20.

[big a]

Not sure what i have missed while working 12-14 hours days....

But my PJ holster has shipped!! Will post pics when it gets here.

[Steelerfanatic]

Thanks to this thread I ordered a PJ IWB holster for my Shield, a mag clip for my Shield and a PJ Pocket carry holster for my P238. Can't wait to get them.

[Brian D.]

Have you ever shot a bear with either of the 20's? Curions as to how the 10mm performed.

No. My trips to such spots aren't with hunting bears and boars in mind. Just want the big critters to return the favor by not hunting me

[jluck]

:wo I'm going to pick up my new Remington 700 300 ultramag (with muzzle brake installed).I am building a long range hunting rifle.

[fissure]

:wo I'm going to pick up my new Remington 700 300 ultramag (with muzzle brake installed).I am building a long range hunting rifle.

Nice pickup! Have the same in the LSS version. Tack driver and fun at the range when people back off the line:banger With the muzzle break it kicks less than a 7 mag even when loaded hot. Look in to reloading for it with the way ammo is for it, even with reloads it's pretty pricey. Gets that way when you use 85-95 grains of powder per round.

[forgop]

Thanks to this thread I ordered a PJ IWB holster for my Shield, a mag clip for my Shield and a PJ Pocket carry holster for my P238. Can't wait to get them.

Mine was right around 5 weeks before it shipped. I like it though.

Still waiting on my LTCH before I actually use it though.

[forgop]

I've had powder on order for almost 10 weeks now. Still nothing.

Finally saw a local shop was getting a shipment in today and got 8# worth. Can't wait for my brother to reload like crazy for me.

[big a]

Thanks to this thread I ordered a PJ IWB holster for my Shield, a mag clip for my Shield and a PJ Pocket carry holster for my P238. Can't wait to get them.

As did I, after using it just a couple hours I feel it was well worth the wait.

[spectrrr]

NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo!

Had 6 mags on order for $20/ea....

Looks like I'll be stuck with just one factory mag and 2 plinker tactical 35 rounders for a while.

FYI, can't get the plinker mag to work in slide fire. Not sure why. It FEEDS them fine, and they go bang... I just can't find the "slidefire sweet spot" with it. Otherwise no complaints, it fed fine for the two mags I ran through it. All CCI tactical ammo, which is supposed to work good in 15-22s, but NOT good in the plinkers. still worked fine for me....


Cabela's Inc.
World's Foremost Outfitter
One Cabela Drive, Sidney, NE 69160

Dear Customer,

We regret to inform you that we are still unable to supply the merchandise you
requested and now find it necessary to cancel the back-ordered item(s) listed
below.

23-0384 MP15-22 25RD PER3 MP15-22 MAG 25RDPER3

[emopunker2004]

:r

[Stevez]

As did I, after using it just a couple hours I feel it was well worth the wait.

I bought a PJ pocket holster for my CM9 and absolutely love it. Stays in the pocket nice when the firearm is drawn and does what it's supposed to do.

[MurphysLaw]

Trying to resist the urge to buy a Henry Survival rifle...saw one online and I really want one

[Steve]

Trying to resist the urge to buy a Henry Survival rifle...saw one online and I really want one

They are fun!

[MurphysLaw]

They are fun!

You aren't helping, I'm trying to resist! Plus it'll make a good first gun for my son to shoot. He's only 2 weeks old, but one day he's going to learn.

[Steve]

You aren't helping, I'm trying to resist! Plus it'll make a good first gun for my son to shoot. He's only 2 weeks old, but one day he's going to learn.

Think of it as an investment...:D

[issues]

Here is my new baby:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v45/issues1975/Dscn1378-1_zps141c92f0.jpg

[MurphysLaw]

Think of it as an investment...:D

I do, haven't made a dime off either :lr

[Mark C]

Here is my new baby:
<Giant Walther PPQ picture>


Got one of those for my wife last year, she loves it.

Watch that trigger though if you bring any new shooters to the range with you. I let an inexperienced friend shoot it a few months ago and she managed to accidentally bump fire it. Sounded like it went full-auto for 3 rounds. Did some reading and found out that's not uncommon since it has such a short reset and light pull.

[hammondc]

Are you torn over how to outfit your AR15? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2jhlXnDdg8)


Freakin.Hilarious. "Because everyone know that a well ventilated bad guy assumes room temperature faster".

[big pete]

Just bought a CZ SP-01 :banger

[bonjing]

Nice pick up Pete, I love the way cz's shoot. I think that was the first gun I shot a one hole group with.


I picked up a M&P 9 this week. I'm loving the way this hing shoots and feels. I just wish the thumb safety model was available to Cali.

[theonlybear4CORT]

How's the ar market look like? I've stopped looking since December and I'm feeling like a light weight pencil barrel build in the immediate future.

[big pete]

Prices are dropping fast. I think I'm going to pick up my gun today since a lot of shops are getting regular stock in. I'll keep the AR until the next panic and sell it then.

Anyone looking for a XD9?

[Brian D.]

This thread is slowing down a little bit without spectrrr's participation.

Found myself some .40 S&W ammo over the weekend, at basically pre-hysteria prices. Hopefully not a one-time-only deal.

[issues]

Got one of those for my wife last year, she loves it.

Watch that trigger though if you bring any new shooters to the range with you. I let an inexperienced friend shoot it a few months ago and she managed to accidentally bump fire it. Sounded like it went full-auto for 3 rounds. Did some reading and found out that's not uncommon since it has such a short reset and light pull.

I am enjoying it quite a bit. I haven't run into issues with bump fire but I will definitely keep it in mind! The 40 is snappier than I expected but by no means do I find it bad.

This thread is slowing down a little bit without spectrrr's participation.

Found myself some .40 S&W ammo over the weekend, at basically pre-hysteria prices. Hopefully not a one-time-only deal.

That's impressive! Other than purchasing ammo at the range (their reloads) I have yet to find non-SD rounds anywhere.

[spectrrr]

This thread is slowing down a little bit without spectrrr's participation.

Found myself some .40 S&W ammo over the weekend, at basically pre-hysteria prices. Hopefully not a one-time-only deal.

:r sorry, I'm in the middle of moving... no time! :)

[Brian D.]

:r sorry, I'm in the middle of moving... no time! :)

We been missing you already.

Only reason I've been okay with the current fiasco is because between reloads and the factory stuff I've salted away over several years, I'm not too low on much anything important....yet. Meanwhile I can be picky about what I pay for things.

[Mark C]

How's the ar market look like? I've stopped looking since December and I'm feeling like a light weight pencil barrel build in the immediate future.

Lowers (stripped or complete) still seem to be quite high, but are available. Upper parts seem readily available and not overly inflated if you do a little shopping. BCGs are still the long-lead item, but not as bad. Complete uppers/rifles from major manufacturers still appear hopelessly backordered and/or overpriced. Smaller shops are better, a buddy of mine is having an upper built at Ironworks Tactical (http://www.ironworkstactical.com/) with better components, shorter lead time (4-6 weeks), and cheaper than the majors. That shop's prices seem good even by pre-hysteria standards.

Found myself some .40 S&W ammo over the weekend, at basically pre-hysteria prices. Hopefully not a one-time-only deal.

Watch http://www.slickguns.com/today regularly, even daily if you're looking for something in particular. Chances are if there's affordable ammo, it'll get posted there, but it'll sell out quick. I've helped two of my buddies find 9mm at $15/50 from that site in the past month.

[Chainsaw13]

Dammit! I get an email that Rainers had the Seekins P223 lower in stock. Click the link in the email and its showing out of stock. That was quick.

[safariguy]

Watch http://www.slickguns.com/today regularly, even daily if you're looking for something in particular. Chances are if there's affordable ammo, it'll get posted there, but it'll sell out quick. I've helped two of my buddies find 9mm at $15/50 from that site in the past month.

Well there goes all my free time. Thanks for the link! :D

[Blueface]

These are the idiots that cause concern for most of us gun owners.
to summarize:

1) follow car loaded with teens as result of road rage from being cut off.
2) leave wife and child in car and go punch teen in the face
3) get your ass handed to you to include a broken nose
4) have your equally idiotic wife load the chamber and hand you a gun
5) go after teens pointing gun to shoot at them, with finger on the trigger, even if the threat has retreated.
6) get back in your car and follow them for over 40 minutes to their home.
7) shoot out the back window of their vehicle, as they are on the phone with the 911 operator.

Amazing. They are lucky the charges don't include attempted murder, with each teen being a count.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/crazy-man-pulls-gun-in-road-rage-fight-video/

[lostark374]

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/223-556/

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Looking for thoughts on a quality AK47 manufacturer?

[MurphysLaw]

Looking for thoughts on a quality AK47 manufacturer?

Saiga makes a good rifle, I wouldnt hesitate to buy one of their guns. I have a WASR-10 that runs like a champ. Ive heard good things about the Bulgarian Arsenal guns too. The only thing I'd avoid with an AK are the home built receiver kits, unless you're 100% certain it was built by someone who knows exactly what they're doing.

[Chainsaw13]

Anyone here have any experience with some of the entry level O/U target shotguns from manufacturers like CV, Stoeger, etc? Was at the range Friday with a couple friends and shot the sporting clays course. Have done it a couple other times and forgot how much fun it is.

[jluck]

Looking for thoughts on a quality AK47 manufacturer?


Polytec is a highly regarded AK, I personally don't think any of them are "Quality". great for which they are designed, Loose,loud, floppy but run like a banshee.:tu

[Brian D.]

Anyone here have any experience with some of the entry level O/U target shotguns from manufacturers like CV, Stoeger, etc? Was at the range Friday with a couple friends and shot the sporting clays course. Have done it a couple other times and forgot how much fun it is.

Use caution, that shooting sport can be extremely addicting--and very expensive, if ya really get hooked. Only thing that's kept me out of it is the lack of courses within a short drive.

As to "how much" gun to buy for yourself right off the bat, get something that fits you well and operates reliably. Like any other type of firearm there's such a thing as going too cheap and winding up with something that breaks down with any serious amount of use. Takes the fun out of the whole day.

Sorry my advice is generic but the couple times I tried sporting clays it was with a decent O/U borrowed from a friend. Even with that limited experience I could tell the stock's dimensions weren't quite right for me, would have had to shop for something a little different than the one I used.

[Chainsaw13]

Use caution, that shooting sport can be extremely addicting--and very expensive, if ya really get hooked. Only thing that's kept me out of it is the lack of courses within a short drive.

As to "how much" gun to buy for yourself right off the bat, get something that fits you well and operates reliably. Like any other type of firearm there's such a thing as going too cheap and winding up with something that breaks down with any serious amount of use. Takes the fun out of the whole day.

Sorry my advice is generic but the couple times I tried sporting clays it was with a decent O/U borrowed from a friend. Even with that limited experience I could tell the stock's dimensions weren't quite right for me, would have had to shop for something a little different than the one I used.

Thanks for the info Brian. From all the research I've done the last few days, people say to bypass the low end o/u and spend the little extra on a Browning Citori. Right now I don't have the minimum $1500+ to spend on one of those. And because I'd like to use it for more than just a target gun, I'm leaning towards a Weatherby or Mossberg semiauto.

And yes, it looks like it can get expensive. Like I don't have too many hobbies already draining my pocket book. :D

[Angry_Pirate]

3D printed guns? Interesting video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

[Blueface]

Note to self:
Next craze, when you backorder stuff with no financial worries as not charged until they ship, remember that eventually, they WILL ship.
Getting slammed with crap I ordered months ago and forgot about it.

[big pete]

How's the ar market look like? I've stopped looking since December and I'm feeling like a light weight pencil barrel build in the immediate future.

Mike, I'll sell you my AR for $1400 ;)

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Polytec is a highly regarded AK, I personally don't think any of them are "Quality". great for which they are designed, Loose,loud, floppy but run like a banshee.:tu

I shot one Saturday at the range. My brothers friends gun actually. Don't remember the model, but it was fun as heck to shoot. Dead accurate at 100 yards with just iron sights. It made me think hard about getting an AK instead of an AR15.

[jluck]

I shot one Saturday at the range. My brothers friends gun actually. Don't remember the model, but it was fun as heck to shoot. Dead accurate at 100 yards with just iron sights. It made me think hard about getting an AK instead of an AR15.

Don't rule out AK74's either (5.45x39). Thats the way I'd go personally.

[Chainsaw13]

Note to self:
Next craze, when you backorder stuff with no financial worries as not charged until they ship, remember that eventually, they WILL ship.
Getting slammed with crap I ordered months ago and forgot about it.

Yea, I'm waiting for those same crows to come home and roost here too.

[Mark C]

Note to self:
Next craze, when you backorder stuff with no financial worries as not charged until they ship, remember that eventually, they WILL ship.
Getting slammed with crap I ordered months ago and forgot about it.

If any of that crap happens to be 'extra' 223 ammo, I've got a buddy looking for some :D

[Brian D.]

Thanks for the info Brian. From all the research I've done the last few days, people say to bypass the low end o/u and spend the little extra on a Browning Citori. Right now I don't have the minimum $1500+ to spend on one of those. And because I'd like to use it for more than just a target gun, I'm leaning towards a Weatherby or Mossberg semiauto.

And yes, it looks like it can get expensive. Like I don't have too many hobbies already draining my pocket book. :D

Was talking to a couple of friends today that have done some sporting clays shooting. Both of them prefer an autoloader--specifically the Beretta--with screw in chokes. Although barrel length preference is sort of an individual thing, 28" or 30" seems to be the most popular choices among that crowd, at least with the semi-autos.

[Blueface]

If any of that crap happens to be 'extra' 223 ammo, I've got a buddy looking for some :D

I wish.
Just loads of mags for Glock, AR15, AR10 and other "stuff".

[spectrrr]

Just got my DSG arms ship notice for the other half of my pmag order. don´t mind that one.... I was pretty low..... but it reminds me, I gotta cancel the two lowers I ordered from them back in december.

[Blueface]

Just got my DSG arms ship notice for the other half of my pmag order. don´t mind that one.... I was pretty low..... but it reminds me, I gotta cancel the two lowers I ordered from them back in december.

DSG is great.
They sent me a heads up email that they may have shipped me wrong mags.
Sure enough, two were wrong ones that don't lock in my AR10.
New ones on the way with a return shipping label.

[forgop]

I've got lowers!

2 Bushmaster
1 Double Star
1 Aero Precision
1 DPMS

[forgop]

I just pulled the trigger on this one:

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers/psa-16-mid-premium-pro-stripped-upper-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

Now just to get the BCG/charging handle/LPK

[0002S]

Fun

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Don't know yet

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Web%20Link%20Images/502aedca149ed8cb38d80dac5951f033_zps9f3d5666.jpg

Cuban Zombies

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[bonjing]

Just :dr :dr

I like the GTO's, I wanted one of their gator lowers but they didn't ship to Cali at the time or they ran out, I can't remember.

[Steelerfanatic]

Took my daughter shooting for the first time a few days ago. She started out on the Ruger 10/22 and also shot the S&W M&P 15-22 I got for her a few days ago. She had a blast and can't wait to go again!

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=13287&d=1365021449

[Blueface]

Awesome collection of rifles.
Color me jealous.

[0002S]

We must confound Jerry at every turn.

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff339/000002s/Poor%20Picture%20Quality%20Repository/43c10260.jpg

[big pete]

Yeah buddy!

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[bonjing]

Nice!

[Blueface]

Nice gun.
Nice Ravi pen.:D

[forgop]

Where would you recommend shopping for 30 round mags?

Also looking for a BCG...

[Blueface]

Where would you recommend shopping for 30 round mags?

Also looking for a BCG...

Mags are popping up all over the place.
Palmetto has the C products for $12. Good mags for money.

[0002S]

Nice gun.
Nice Ravi pen.:D

+1 pen...lol

[forgop]

Need someone to talk some sense into me to keep me from buying a Springfield XDs 45 ACP. :D

[Chainsaw13]

Need someone to talk some sense into me to keep me from buying a Springfield XDs 45 ACP. :D

You can have it shipped to my FFL if it makes it any easier. :D

I'm trying to figure out any way I can come up with the money for a O/U shotgun.

[Brian D.]

Need someone to talk some sense into me to keep me from buying a Springfield XDs 45 ACP. :D

Only thing I'd want to do is shoot one first---small guns in large calibers ain't always pleasant.

[forgop]

Only thing I'd want to do is shoot one first---small guns in large calibers ain't always pleasant.

The 40 is due out later this year. My shield is a 40 and saves me from buying multiple caliber types. I've also heard tales about there being such a shortage of 9mm and 45 ammo while the 40 seems to be easy to find.

[issues]

The 40 is due out later this year. My shield is a 40 and saves me from buying multiple caliber types. I've also heard tales about there being such a shortage of 9mm and 45 ammo while the 40 seems to be easy to find.

While I can find defensive ammo all day long, bulk range ammo is tough to come across unless I buy the reloads at the range but I have had mixed results with it.

The last time I bought the ranges reloads I was firing 2 weapons one in 9mm and one in 40. The 40 had 4 failure to feeds in 100 rounds and the 9mm had one stovepipe, 2 failure to fires and one failure to feed in 50 rounds.

I seem to have feed issues whenever I use their range ammo but never have an issue with factory loads.

[Mark C]

Where would you recommend shopping for 30 round mags?

Also looking for a BCG...

http://www.slickguns.com Check it often, most deals posted sell out quickly. Mags are starting to get easy to find and prices seem to be back down to ~$15, give or take a few bucks. Basic BCGs are becoming more available, but if you want one of the fancier ones it may still take awhile.

I've also heard tales about there being such a shortage of 9mm and 45 ammo while the 40 seems to be easy to find.

I've seen the opposite. I haven't seen FMJ 40 in awhile, 9mm and 45 seem to pop up more often.

[SNKBYT]

soon to be mine for $1300
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/zombiekiller556.jpg

[Blueface]

soon to be mine for $1300
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/zombiekiller556.jpg

Nice.
A Spikes lower color filled.

[Steve]

Anyone have any experience/knowledge about the Thompson/Center line?

I have seen their interchangable, single shot stuff before, but I was watching a turkey hunting show the other night and got to thinking about picking one of these up.

Of course, I know this goes against all prevailing wisdom these days (single shot that is) :noon

TIA

[SNKBYT]

Anyone have any experience/knowledge about the Thompson/Center line?

I have seen their interchangable, single shot stuff before, but I was watching a turkey hunting show the other night and got to thinking about picking one of these up.

Of course, I know this goes against all prevailing wisdom these days (single shot that is) :noon

TIA

if you're a good shot, one round should be enough.....have shot several different calibers, the 30-06 is very capable of taking down a northern deer and shredding one in FL

[Steve]

Thanks Alex. I was actually watching a turkey show and they were using the 12 ga. And I agree, other than sporting clays at the range, I seldom use more than a single shot. If I miss, the target is usually LONG gone!!!

This is the one I was looking at

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/images/silosDetail/3902.jpg

I think it just looks sexy as heck.

[SNKBYT]

Thanks Alex. I was actually watching a turkey show and they were using the 12 ga. And I agree, other than sporting clays at the range, I seldom use more than a single shot. If I miss, the target is usually LONG gone!!!

This is the one I was looking at

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/images/silosDetail/3902.jpg

I think it just looks sexy as heck.

I have shot one of those as well.......and yes "it's sexy"

[Steve]

Right now my "hunting" shotgun is an old Mossberg 1000 auto in 12 ga. But with this I could change out the barrel to a 20 for Boo.

[forgop]

Had a pretty eventful day-picked up 6k rounds of 223 ammo. :tu

[big a]

Had a pretty eventful day-picked up 6k rounds of 223 ammo. :tu

:O. Everywhere around me is limit to 100, or big box of high quantity if they have it.

What does everyone think a good price for an m&p sport would be right now?

[Ogre]

I entered a shooting compition today, and I won. It was 5 different pistol events, with time limits From 15 to 30 seconds. Can't wait till the next one in November.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc9/ogre3239/Snapbucket/BCD1FB05-orig.jpg

[issues]

Good job brother!!!

[Blueface]

Awesome!
Congrats.

[Steve]

Nice Larry!

[SNKBYT]

impressive for a FireFighter ;)...........................good job, congratz brother

[Remo]

Ok, so it looks like a Federal AWB is dead, now will everyone quit going crazy and will prices come back down :sh

[hammondc]

Ok, so it looks like a Federal AWB is dead, now will everyone quit going crazy and will prices come back down :sh


This.

[Remo]

This.

Seriously, now the gun companies just need to move from those states that passed gun restrictions. Such a silly argument.

[CigarSquid]

Hope so..

[hammondc]

I'd just like to be able to get 9mm range rounds again. Plus I have a short buy list once the market gets flooded again.

[Genetic Defect]

I have a short list too

[forgop]

Anyone have a Springfield XDm Compact 3.8? I have my eye on this as my 2nd handgun in addition to my Shield rather than holding out for an XDs. No sense in having 2 guns with virtually mirror images of one another in terms of size/capacity I figure.

[forgop]

Oh-

And I found out a "trick" for actually being able to order 223 ammo from Cabelas and anything from Sportsmans Guide when going through the regular route will show out of stock and no ability to back order. :D

[0002S]

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[theonlybear4CORT]

Me likey.

[Eleven]

I'd just like to be able to get 9mm range rounds again. Plus I have a short buy list once the market gets flooded again.

I was thinking today...can't find 9mm or .223 anywhere, but the range I go to has both in range ammo only. What's to stop me from buying time on the range, and a couple hundred rounds of each type of range ammo, firing off a few and just take the rest home with me?

How horrible is range ammo that it wouldn't suffice as backup to what I already have? I have a very small supply of defense ammo already, so the range ammo would just be extra.

[Mark C]

If they'll sell you that much at once, go for it.

[0002S]

Be patient. The frenzy purchases will slow down and supply will catch up to demand as demand slows.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

I've been seriously looking into getting an AK47, Zastava M70 or similar. They seem to be right around $1,000 at this point in time. Anyone know what a fair price for a new AK from the Zastava factory would be? I'm tempted to just buy one now, but if prices will be falling soon I can wait. I need to get a Glock 29sf too, cc will be on the books soon so that may be the next purchase.

[cigarmonkel]

Hey alljust bought my first firearm today at a pocal range. S&W m&p 9mm. I've shot it before did plenty of research then pulled the trigger :). Went out bougjt a handgun safe and cleaning kit to go with it as well. Super excited to take it to the range this week! It came with night sites and once I break it in I might do an apex trigger kit as well. If I can figure out how to upload pics from my phone I will.

Funny part is, I went to cabelas two meijers and two walmarts plus where I bought it from... turns out ammo is harder to find/buy then the gun haha. Everyones all ban this ban that no assault rifles or pistols! No need to ban something when you can't use it! My friend is hooking me up with some ammo but I found it kind of funny. Good shooting to everyone and stay safe!

[hammondc]

How horrible is range ammo that it wouldn't suffice as backup to what I already have? I have a very small supply of defense ammo already, so the range ammo would just be extra.

Range ammo as in name brand ball ammo or re-loads? Ball ammo is fine for self defense if you do not have any dedicated defense ammo. Better that rocks :D. Although it does not expand, ball ammo still helps evacuate blood as quickly as possible :r.

[cigarmonkel]

Does anyone here use gunbroker for ammo? They seem to be the only place where you can get ammo

[hammondc]

bass pro around here usually gets ammo on friday morning.

[Steve]

bass pro around here usually gets ammo on friday morning.

Around here, Wallyworld usually gets a delivery 2-3 times a week, but they never seem to have any on the shelves. Turns out one of the local shops sends thier guys out almost every morning at 6am to buy any up that happen to be on the shelves.

[Blueface]

Does anyone here use gunbroker for ammo? They seem to be the only place where you can get ammo

The times I have ordered from Gunbroker.com, I have done so from the two vendors, one of which I buy from directly on a regular basis.
Sportsman Supply is one and my regular go to outside of Gunbroker.com is SG Ammo.

[hammondc]

Around here, Wallyworld usually gets a delivery 2-3 times a week, but they never seem to have any on the shelves. Turns out one of the local shops sends thier guys out almost every morning at 6am to buy any up that happen to be on the shelves.

Yep. Same here. Some BS.

[bonjing]

How horrible is range ammo that it wouldn't suffice as backup to what I already have? I have a very small supply of defense ammo already, so the range ammo would just be extra.

If you're looking for just some cheap plinking ammo than it should be ok. Some ranges down load their ammo (if it's made in house) so it doesn't damage house rentals and saves on powder. If it's made in house maybe you can talk to the reloader about buying in bulk.

[cigarmonkel]

Anyone do their own reloading? I've looked into it before. Thinking about a lee turret press and wanted to know other peoples thoughts on reloading

[Mark C]

I've reloaded for about a year, only pistol cartridges so far, and only using a Lee turret press.

I enjoy it. It takes time though, and right now finding components is almost as hard as finding loaded ammo. If you want to reload just because you can't find ammo, I'd suggest sit tight and wait it out. If you want a new hobby, go for it. Expect about $150 or so to get in the game, plus components. You CAN buy everything online (when it's in-stock), but powder and primers will come with a $27 hazmat fee on top of regular shipping charges, so you'll probably want to see if any of your local shops have those supplies.

[cigarmonkel]

I've reloaded for about a year, only pistol cartridges so far, and only using a Lee turret press.

I enjoy it. It takes time though, and right now finding components is almost as hard as finding loaded ammo. If you want to reload just because you can't find ammo, I'd suggest sit tight and wait it out. If you want a new hobby, go for it. Expect about $150 or so to get in the game, plus components. You CAN buy everything online (when it's in-stock), but powder and primers will come with a $27 hazmat fee on top of regular shipping charges, so you'll probably want to see if any of your local shops have those supplies.

Awesome thanks mark! A year ago I was looking into reloading for a hobby and it makes even more sense with ammo being so over priced now. If I can find parts that is

[0002S]

Anyone do their own reloading? I've looked into it before. Thinking about a lee turret press and wanted to know other peoples thoughts on reloading


Yes, I have reloaded for 20ish years on all forms and varieties of presses. I load rifle/pistol (including obsolete cartridges)

Please ask what you'd like and I'll attempt to answer it.

Lee Turret is a ok press.

What calibers do you plan to load and how many a month?

[cigarmonkel]

For now just 9mm which I do realize won't be a huge money saver once prices come down. But I feel like it would be a relaxing hobby at the end of a long day. (I like hobbies like this I paint warhammer figures, models things like that). I was wondering what a good press would be for starters? I don't need to mass produce rounds or anything just enough to let's rip a few off now and then at the range.

On a side note: walmarts are stashing ammo behind the desks or in back. Go and ask to speak with a store manager. Make sure its a store manager not a floor manager or anyone else. Go to walmart.com amd get the cpu code (not sure if they are different but in my region its 0002946506087) and ask if they are in stock. I went to a local wally world during my lunch break and the gentlemen incharge of the sporting goods section was very nice told me the delivery schedule and that yes, a lot of walmarts are stashing ammo out of sight. Max of 3 boxes a day per person.

Edit: that cpu code is for 9mm

[Islayphile]

I've been seriously looking into getting an AK47, Zastava M70 or similar. They seem to be right around $1,000 at this point in time. Anyone know what a fair price for a new AK from the Zastava factory would be? I'm tempted to just buy one now, but if prices will be falling soon I can wait.


I'd wait for as couple of reasons

1. Prices should be falling in the near future

2. Most of the ammo is imported...an EO from the POTUS can prohibit future importation of it.

[jluck]

Does anyone here use gunbroker for ammo? They seem to be the only place where you can get ammo

Don't use GB for any purchases, That site is just for entertainment (IMO). I don't know about where you are at but here you just have to look around for ammo. Try Armslist or outdoorstrader if you want to over pay to "have it now" but it is still WAY better than GB.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Don't use GB for any purchases, That site is just for entertainment (IMO). I don't know about where you are at but here you just have to look around for ammo. Try Armslist or outdoorstrader if you want to over pay to "have it now" but it is still WAY better than GB.

Is your problem with GB just high prices or something else?

[jluck]

Is your problem with GB just high prices or something else?

Just the insane prices, Nothing more.

[Blueface]

Just the insane prices, Nothing more.

That's after the lunacy that started in December.
Prior to that, there were always great deals there.
Best ammo prices anywhere at the time if you were patient and nailed the right one.
Now? I agree, overpriced but that is due to the folks willing to pay it.

[theonlybear4CORT]

Man in having a hard time selling my xd9 here in N. Cali I might have to try armslist.

[0002S]

For now just 9mm which I do realize won't be a huge money saver once prices come down. But I feel like it would be a relaxing hobby at the end of a long day. (I like hobbies like this I paint warhammer figures, models things like that). I was wondering what a good press would be for starters? I don't need to mass produce rounds or anything just enough to let's rip a few off now and then at the range.

All you need is any single stage "O" style press. RCBS, LEE, Hornady will all work fine.

THIS:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/646599/rcbs-rock-chucker-supreme-single-stage-press-master-kit


Above is an example of all you'll need. Just add 9mm dies/shellholder, brass, powder, bullets, small pistol primers, and a good reloading manual.

[cigarmonkel]

All you need is any single stage "O" style press. RCBS, LEE, Hornady will all work fine.

THIS:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/646599/rcbs-rock-chucker-supreme-single-stage-press-master-kit


Above is an example of all you'll need. Just add 9mm dies/shellholder, brass, powder, bullets, small pistol primers, and a good reloading manual.

I was looking at that one earlier today. My buddy said I should save the money and go straight for the dillon 550b. He said ill adventually want one sooner or later. The reviews on itare all aamazing. But is it one of those tools you need experience to use kinda things?

[Steelerfanatic]

Picked up a Keltec KSG today for below MSRP :noon. Can't wait to take this out and shoot.


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[Bax]

Picked up a Keltec KSG today for below MSRP :noon. Can't wait to take this out and shoot.


http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t159/beachcougar/b833a0efb0fa9ec40cf0b5e16fb5def2_zps607fa867.jpg

I'd love to get a hold of one of those! Great pickup!

[Eleven]

Range ammo as in name brand ball ammo or re-loads? Ball ammo is fine for self defense if you do not have any dedicated defense ammo. Better that rocks :D. Although it does not expand, ball ammo still helps evacuate blood as quickly as possible :r.

Pretty sure my Range does their own reloads for range use. I was just thinking of a way to load up on cheap ammo.


If you're looking for just some cheap plinking ammo than it should be ok. Some ranges down load their ammo (if it's made in house) so it doesn't damage house rentals and saves on powder. If it's made in house maybe you can talk to the reloader about buying in bulk.

Yup, just want some for use away from my local range. No need to pay premium (if I can ever find any) for defense ammo when I'm just gonna waste it shooting at cans and targets in a field.

[bonjing]

I was looking at that one earlier today. My buddy said I should save the money and go straight for the dillon 550b. He said ill adventually want one sooner or later. The reviews on itare all aamazing. But is it one of those tools you need experience to use kinda things?

I use my friends dillon, I think it's the 550. The thing is amazing I don't think I'll ever want to use a single stage press ever, I can't even imagine how slow and cumbersome it could be. He did learn on a single stage (if I'm using he term correctly) he said that it taught him to be patient and how to properly reload.

[big pete]

Man in having a hard time selling my xd9 here in N. Cali I might have to try armslist.
More info? I may have a friend that's interested.

[forgop]

I picked up my complete PSA lower on gunbroker a couple of weeks ago for $300.

Pretty reasonable price IMO for a respected brand I saw higher prices for Frontier lowers.

[Blueface]

Picked up a Keltec KSG today for below MSRP :noon. Can't wait to take this out and shoot.


http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t159/beachcougar/b833a0efb0fa9ec40cf0b5e16fb5def2_zps607fa867.jpg

Man, pleases share how you managed to pull that off at below MSRP.
Please!!! Pretty Please!!!

[0002S]

I was looking at that one earlier today. My buddy said I should save the money and go straight for the dillon 550b. He said ill adventually want one sooner or later. The reviews on itare all aamazing. But is it one of those tools you need experience to use kinda things?

I load with both single stage and progressive presses.

In my experience, I've learned the following.

Speed is not your friend when reloading. Speed is especially not your friend when you're first starting out reloading. Unless you're going to load 600+ rounds and can't spend more than 2 hrs doing it, there is no real need for a progressive press.

There are a few reasons I'd suggest you start out with a single stage press.

1. You're making mini explosives and you're better off learning the basics before you start mass producing rounds quickly.
2. There are more chances of catastrophic issues with pistol rounds than rifle (pistol is much easier to double charge than rifle)
3. You're going to invest a lot for something you may not like

Stages of reloading: (basics as there are many other stages that can be preformed to attempt to control the minutia of variances between rounds in an attempt to maximize accuracy)

1. Case Prep
a. clean cases
b. size / de-prime (uses press and die)
c. trim (if necessary)
d. chamfer inside and out
e. prime (potentially dangerous as primers can ignite when inserting and if so can cause all primers in priming device to detonate)

2. Charge case (most time consuming part of process)
a. measure powder (variety of methods: manual thrower / scoop / digital thrower)
b. weigh powder (use balance beam or digital scale)
c. drop powder in case (check...check....check....I can't say this enough.....C H E C K what you're doing here as this is where serious issues occur)

3. Seat bullet
a. Seat bullet to proper seating depth for O.A.L. of cartridge (uses press and die)
b. Crimp bullet (depends on bullet/cartridge type and if necessary - uses press and die)

4. Check weights and measurements for constancy and variances

As you can see from the above you have a lot of things going on and trying to do them all at once can be dangerous unless you know what you're doing and have some practice at it.


Now if you're going to load only 9mm and a few hundred at a setting you can do this with a single stage press very easily and fairly quickly with a single stage press set up.

The key is to use a ball powder (like WIN 231) and create a load around it for your pistol. Ball powder meters very easily and consistently so you can use a manual powder thrower and this will help to cut some of the time down.

Along with this, 9mm is a straight walled case and doesn't need as much case prep (doesn't need mirrored polished cleaning each time) and can be sized/de-primed quickly with carbide dies.


Rules to live by when reloading:

1. NEVER MORE THAN ONE OPEN POWDER ON THE BENCH AT ONE TIME
2. Do not reload when drinking or taking drugs or recreationally using state approved medical drugs...;)
3. Do not reload while watching TV
4. If you think there is something wrong with what you did or how the round looks, SCRAP IT. It's not worth your firearm, your life and the lives of those around you.


Also, you don't really save money reloading. You just shoot more for the same money spent on factory ammo. And you'll have to calculate those savings and shoot enough rounds to break even with the cost of the equipment before the cost benefits really kick in.

[Steelerfanatic]

Man, pleases share how you managed to pull that off at below MSRP.
Please!!! Pretty Please!!!

Complete luck to be honest. We had a brand new pawn and gun open up yesterday literally across the street from our neiborhood. I was the first one in the door and asked about the KSG and PMR30. He pulled out the KSG with an 1100 price tag. Then he told me about the 10% military discount. :D. First sale in the new store. Just wish he had the PMR. Been looking for over a year for one at a decent price.

[Mark C]

I was looking at that one earlier today. My buddy said I should save the money and go straight for the dillon 550b. He said ill adventually want one sooner or later. The reviews on itare all aamazing. But is it one of those tools you need experience to use kinda things?

I wouldn't jump straight to the Dillon. Here's why:

1) Starting with a turret or single stage will force you to slow down, take your time, and focus on what you're doing.

2) Presses hold their value. Try finding a used press more than a few bucks cheaper than new. If you do decide to upgrade, you should be able to sell your starter press for at least 80% of the new price.

3) You won't want to sell the starter press though. You'll set that one up for a special cartridge you want to load slowly for utmost accuracy (probably rifle), and use the progressive for plinking pistol ammo. :)

I'd go with a turret press over a single stage. All the advantages to the single stage PLUS you can load faster once you get the hang of it. Honestly I think it's safer too since you work one cartridge at a time, start to finish. Seems less likely to accidentally double charge or no charge a case because you got distracted and forgot where you were in your loading block.

Here's a few additional things you'll probably want that may not be in a kit:

Calipers (I prefer digital, but it's your call) - you'll want to measure overall cartridge length.
Tumbler - If you want to reuse your own or range brass, you'll need to clean it.
Digital Balance - Mine cost $20, works great. I use a few bullets as test weight, it's very consistent and a lot easier to use than a beam balance.
Bullet puller - For WHEN you screw up and need to separate components.
Ammo boxes - I use a combination of flip top plastic boxes, surplus ammo cans, and empty paper boxes picked out of the trashcan at the local range.

Finally, don't overlook the Lee products. They cost half the price of the other brands but that doesn't mean they're bad. The cost difference between RCBS and Lee will buy you a lot of powder, primer, and bullets.

[Steve]

I wouldn't jump straight to the Dillon. Here's why:

1) Starting with a turret or single stage will force you to slow down, take your time, and focus on what you're doing.

2) Presses hold their value. Try finding a used press more than a few bucks cheaper than new. If you do decide to upgrade, you should be able to sell your starter press for at least 80% of the new price.

3) You won't want to sell the starter press though. You'll set that one up for a special cartridge you want to load slowly for utmost accuracy (probably rifle), and use the progressive for plinking pistol ammo. :)

I'd go with a turret press over a single stage. All the advantages to the single stage PLUS you can load faster once you get the hang of it. Honestly I think it's safer too since you work one cartridge at a time, start to finish. Seems less likely to accidentally double charge or no charge a case because you got distracted and forgot where you were in your loading block.

Here's a few additional things you'll probably want that may not be in a kit:

Calipers (I prefer digital, but it's your call) - you'll want to measure overall cartridge length.
Tumbler - If you want to reuse your own or range brass, you'll need to clean it.
Digital Balance - Mine cost $20, works great. I use a few bullets as test weight, it's very consistent and a lot easier to use than a beam balance.
Bullet puller - For WHEN you screw up and need to separate components.
Ammo boxes - I use a combination of flip top plastic boxes, surplus ammo cans, and empty paper boxes picked out of the trashcan at the local range.

Finally, don't overlook the Lee products. They cost half the price of the other brands but that doesn't mean they're bad. The cost difference between RCBS and Lee will buy you a lot of powder, primer, and bullets.

Good advice here...

[cigarmonkel]

Thanks for all the advice. I'm definitely going to go with a single or turrent style after reading your posts. Now to do some research on powders. Thanks again all for the advice!

[Eleven]

Those last two weapons pictured here are awesome! That crazy camo paint AR and the Kel Tec shotgun make me wanna start saving...again :)

Here is my latest, just got it the other day, Rock Island M5 Tactical 12GA shotgun:

https://imageshack.us/scaled/medium/824/img20130423162328.jpg

[jluck]

That's after the lunacy that started in December.
Prior to that, there were always great deals there.
Best ammo prices anywhere at the time if you were patient and nailed the right one.
Now? I agree, overpriced but that is due to the folks willing to pay it.
Sad but true.
I have used GB for the last 12 years and the high prices go way past December 14 2012. prices are just insane but getting slightly better.
I have found some OK deals on black-powder stuff and a few parts but rudimentary search on most guns will yield better prices in short order.

Picked up a Keltec KSG today for below MSRP :noon. Can't wait to take this out and shoot.


http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t159/beachcougar/b833a0efb0fa9ec40cf0b5e16fb5def2_zps607fa867.jpg

Awesome score! We have four of these on order for the original MSRP of $585 (ish), I don't know if they will ever show up....:rolleyes:

[cigarmonkel]

I think I've decided to go with a lee turret press kit that comes with everything except the dies, bullet remover, calipers and I belive a scale. Although I'm hesitant becausing not being able to go to the range is frustratong enough. Having the press would be even worse cause its something I can do anytime.

[forgop]

It is finally done...first 90 round shot group today as well. Now time to zero this thing in.

[big pete]

Wish I could find a KSG for $100 over MSRP :(

[Blueface]

It is finally done...first 90 round shot group today as well. Now time to zero this thing in.

Before even remotely considering any gun sight adjustments, recommend this.

http://kitup.military.com/2012/08/pistol-shooting-chart-training.html

[bonjing]

Wish I could find a KSG for $100 over MSRP :(

I think Jackson had some on order since they came out :r. I think they ordered 4 of them, I asked to put one on hold for me when they finally arrived. Not sure if ours got cancelled due to the price increase or the owner just said forget it.

[cigarmonkel]

Maryland small arms has m&p 17round 9mm mags in stock for 45each!! Just ordered myself 2 :).

[forgop]

Before even remotely considering any gun sight adjustments, recommend this.

http://kitup.military.com/2012/08/pistol-shooting-chart-training.html

This was for a supported 223, not a handgun.

[Mark C]

Maryland small arms has m&p 17round 9mm mags in stock for 45each!! Just ordered myself 2 :).

Get 'em while you can, those will be illegal in MD in 6 months.

[cigarmonkel]

Get 'em while you can, those will be illegal in MD in 6 months.

I picked up two of them. Thinking about calling back to order a third but that would give me 5. I can't seem myself making good use of 5.

[bonjing]

I picked up two of them. Thinking about calling back to order a third but that would give me 5. I can't seem myself making good use of 5.

If the price is good go for it. Extra mags are never a bad thing.

[cigarmonkel]

45 bucks a pop. On gunbroker they are 110-180

[bonjing]

I'd wait till prices drop, on average I have about 6 mags per firearm. Some have a lot more depending on the deals I get.

[cigarmonkel]

The price was right for me. S&w says retail is 45 for them and that's what I paid. With this market you can't ask for much more. I know they go as low as 35 but ten bucks extra to get them now in this market vs waiting who knows how log was worth it to me. But I would never pay 100+ or close to that for them.

[jluck]

Got my new Trijicon accupoint 5-20 scope (red triangle) home tonight for my long range 300 ultra mag project. :noon

[forgop]

One of the doctors I work with has a website for firearms accessories that he's getting out of the biz. Offered me anything he can get (non-FFL) at his cost before he gives it up.

Gonna try to get a speedvault handgun safe, a carrying case suitable for my shotgun/AR15, and maybe a gun safe of some sort capable of storing ~ 6 rifles.

What are your must have accessories and such that I should consider?

[bonjing]

Full cleaning supplies, gun socks for storage any mags he has left, ammo cans, pretty much anything you can get your hands on. Flashlights I like flashlights.

[cigarmonkel]

Mags holsters laser pointers or maybe whatever has the most mark up (of things you want of course). If you can save a hundred or two on a nice safe opposed to saving 30 bucks on mags jump on the safe.

[forgop]

After a little more thinking, I may just take over the whole darned business. He has the website running and then a start with some manufacturers. I'd expand it to be a full retail store for mags, flashlights, scopes, and hopefully expand to AR parts. Looking for items that would be a high turnover item and leave a small footprint from a space standpoint as I'd be starting out of my garage-albeit it is a 4 car garage at that.

[cigarmonkel]

If you get into the handgun scene I'd for sure buy from you!

[BHalbrooks]

After a little more thinking, I may just take over the whole darned business. He has the website running and then a start with some manufacturers. I'd expand it to be a full retail store for mags, flashlights, scopes, and hopefully expand to AR parts. Looking for items that would be a high turnover item and leave a small footprint from a space standpoint as I'd be starting out of my garage-albeit it is a 4 car garage at that.

Sounds like an awesome opportunity for you :tu

[cigarmonkel]

Its a good day!!! Just ordered 5 boxes of 9mm and 2000 cci small pistol primers :).

[Chainsaw13]

My newest toy.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8261/8687862456_a4eb692b02.jpg

[cigarmonkel]

Nice pick up!! Natchez has the 9mm and cci #500 small pistol primers in stock still. 2 boxes of 1000 primers and 5 box ammo maxs.

[Steve]

My newest toy.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8261/8687862456_a4eb692b02.jpg

Sweet!

[Remo]

Nice Bob!

I found out that a kid I went to elementary school with is on one of my fishing boards, long story short he is a sales rep for Eotech, scoring me a new optic for $250, better than the retail of $500 :wo

[Chainsaw13]

Thanks guys. It's a CZ Canvasback 20g. Going to be a great little sporting clay gun, with the occasional bird hunt.

[cigarmonkel]

Nice Bob!

I found out that a kid I went to elementary school with is on one of my fishing boards, long story short he is a sales rep for Eotech, scoring me a new optic for $250, better than the retail of $500 :wo

You sure know how to make one jealous! Nice score though!

[Remo]

You sure know how to make one jealous! Nice score though!

:tu

[forgop]

If you get into the handgun scene I'd for sure buy from you!

I don't know that I want all the extra headache to be honest with you. I can look into the additional requirements I'd need to meet to do it though besides maintaining all the books on file for the ATF or what. I'm thinking any firearms accessories you can imagine to include ammo when it actually becomes available again.

He showed me some really cool stuff that can be done. I've already figured a lot of the things I could do to drive sales. I'd love for nothing more than to transfer the ~50 hours/week at the hospital down to the 24 I'm required each week because I'm building my own business and have something of far greater value down the road.

[big pete]

Trying to figure out what trigger to go with on my AR pistol build. Is a Geissele SSA trigger ($180) worth the extra money over a ALG Combat trigger ($60)?

[bonjing]

Never tried the ALG but I love my SSA's and SSE's.

[bonjing]

Actually, I should explain. The SSA and SSE's are very nice triggers for what they are. If you take your time through the pull it is very light but you can still feel very, very little grit it in. The more I play with it the more it has smoothed out. Would I say it is a completely better than the stock trigger yes. The best trigger out there, I don't know, I haven't tried a lot of them.

Honestly the 2 stage LMT trigger I have is almost as nice. I decided to leave that trigger alone versus swapping it out to an SSA.

I did have a nice RRA NM trigger that I traded out due to reliability reasons, Giessele being more reliable, but the RRA was also a nice 2 stage trigger.

[big pete]

Ok, the more I think about my trigger options the more I'm not sure which direction to go. Which one of these options would you go with?


1. ALG Milspec trigger + misc lpk + KNS antiroll pins + JP Springs ($130)
2. Spikes enhanced LPK ($200)
3. Misc lpk + Geissele SSA + KNS antiroll pins ($250)

[bonjing]

3. Misc lpk + Geissele SSA + KNS antiroll pins ($250)

KNS is an option. I only say this because from the guys, Geissele, at SHOT Show they explained to me that their springs are harder than KNS pins causing them to wear out. I don't know how that works but that was straight from them. I still run KNS pins in everything, it just makes cleaning and emergency fixes a little harder.

[big pete]

Thanks for the insight. One reason why I put the KNS pins into the mix is because the mill wasn't adjusted for my lower and counter sunk the trigger and hammer holes a bit (top lower in the pic; I did get a free lower due to that ). Wanted to make sure the pins don't back out accidentally plus it'll cover some of the defect up.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/secretaznman58/96AB2E3F-21F9-434C-A128-091EF01438E8-1458-000002459A3D19C3.jpg

[Chainsaw13]

Wow, just found a few boxes of .223 at a local store. It was Wolf and $.50/rnd, but still nice to see a bit in stock. Picked up a few boxes just because. Also scored a case of Federal 20g #8 shot for my new O/U for less than $6/box.

[forgop]

I got 2400 rounds of PMC brass 223 in today.

[Chainsaw13]

I got 2400 rounds of PMC brass 223 in today.

Sure, rub it in. ;)

[big pete]

Just bit the bullet and bought the Geissele SSA. Figure if I don't like it on the pistol, I can use it for the rifle build

[bonjing]

Birthday gift from the girlfriend T3. I have me a good woman :banger

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/bonjing_album/d8e5c50a-c22d-42d7-9c7b-fc884f337623_zpsd6207261.jpg

[Steve]

Very nice!

[Remo]

Sweet Greg!!! Very sexy :tu

[Remo]

Found some plinking ammo in my basement :tu

13392

[smitty81]

I just picked me up a Comp Tac holster for my G33.

Now to get some Ameriglo night sights.

[Remo]

13393

Sexy trunk!!

[Remo]

I just picked me up a Comp Tac holster for my G33.

Now to get some Ameriglo night sights.

:tu

[bonjing]

13393

Sexy trunk!!

What's in the white box?

[Remo]

What's in the white box?

Computer crap, just in my trunk :r

[cigarmonkel]

So I got my two mags in for my m&p.. one ejects and slides out like butter and the other ejects but then sticks. Is this typical of new mags/anything I can do to fix this?

[Remo]

So I got my two mags in for my m&p.. one ejects and slides out like butter and the other ejects but then sticks. Is this typical of new mags/anything I can do to fix this?

Just keep using the one that sticks, i.e range and what not, it should loosen up.

[cigarmonkel]

Will do thanks! I gotta stop looking at your posts though. First the hook up on the optics then that!

[Remo]

Will do thanks! I gotta stop looking at your posts though. First the hook up on the optics then that!

I just need to scrape up $250!! I bet I can score two if you want one...LMK

[cigarmonkel]

I just need to scrape up $250!! I bet I can score two if you want one...LMK

Then I would HAVE to buy a rifle... I like the position it puts me in. Let me know when you order one and ill probably be in!

[Remo]

Then I would HAVE to buy a rifle... I like the position it puts me in. Let me know when you order one and ill probably be in!

Ok, I thought you had a rifle :sh

[cigarmonkel]

Not yet. I've been wanting to build my own ar15 though for awhile. Its either that or a 1911 and since I have a pistol now it'll probably be the ar15 build

[Remo]

Not yet. I've been wanting to build my own ar15 though for awhile. Its either that or a 1911 and since I have a pistol now it'll probably be the ar15 build

Build away, now that HOPEFULLY prices will not be so crazy since the AWB was scrapped.

[cigarmonkel]

Thankfully! I might end up just going with a bushmaster or dpms though. I'm already in the process of starting my reloadig bench so to add another bench with all the tools might be too much.

[Lockspur]

Build away, now that HOPEFULLY prices will not be so crazy since the AWB was scrapped.

Doubt it. People are still feeding the frenzy. Went to the gun show last month and was SICKENED at the gouging.

Concerning AR's, I HIGHLY recommend building your own lower, then buying a complete upper. That's how I built my Spike's Tactical AR. I used Magpul MOE furniture and Spike's lightweight upper. Weighs 10 pounds loaded with a 30-round mag.

[Chainsaw13]

Thankfully! I might end up just going with a bushmaster or dpms though. I'm already in the process of starting my reloadig bench so to add another bench with all the tools might be too much.

Here's a decent deal on a DPMS.

http://www.lanworldinc.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=8915&category_id=31&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=116

Never dealt with them, but they're a vendor on AR15.com.

[GolfNut]

Here's a pic of what my Wife wanted for her 25th Wedding anniversary (Hey, it's got silver on it...)
Kimber CDP II .45
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh59/idfliers/b4a01127-de53-4ace-b085-7ea4f77134af_zpsb227141c.jpg (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/idfliers/media/b4a01127-de53-4ace-b085-7ea4f77134af_zpsb227141c.jpg.html)

It took her about two days to realize she didn't want to share and said "You know, we should really get you a new gun too" lol, so back to the store on Sunday and I came home with a Sig Sauer P250C .45 that I'm really enjoying. Point and pull, it hits what you aim at. :)
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh59/idfliers/20130128_135824_zpsa2331e7d.jpg (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/idfliers/media/20130128_135824_zpsa2331e7d.jpg.html)

[cigarmonkel]

Nice pick ups!! The 1911 has always been one of my favorites. Tons of history and just an amazing gun!

[forgop]

Shop around for deals. Check out slickguns.com for deals/in-stock sightings and ar15.com. They have threads there devoted to finding uppers, lowers, BCG's, and mags.

[cricky101]

Nice pick ups!! The 1911 has always been one of my favorites. Tons of history and just an amazing gun!

I'm saving up for a ruger sr1911 right now. It'll be my first 1911. A buddy of mine has one and I need to get my own to shoot. :banger