First Firearm Thread.

[floydpink]

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[Tikihut27]

Has anyone dealt with mitchell's mausers? Im interested in ordering a K98 and was wondering how they went about shipping and/or if I need to have it sent to a FFL.


http://www.mauser.org/

Only complaints I've ever heard of was that they were expensive.

Prices seem to be on par now that everything is rising. They seemed to have stayed the same or even decreased.

To order it you'll either need to be an 03FFL yourself, or have it shipped to an 01FFL.


It depends on what you want it for. If you want a shooter or a "remember when" gift for a vet, go with a Mitchell's. But they have little collectors value and are unlikely to ever increase much. They devalue the day you buy them. But if you find a nice bringback it will increase in value over time, and have more historical value.

[Junior]

Bottom of the disc says Revised September 2008.

;)

I guess I should have looked a little closer.

[M1903A1]

It depends on what you want it for. If you want a shooter or a "remember when" gift for a vet, go with a Mitchell's. But they have little collectors value and are unlikely to ever increase much. They devalue the day you buy them. But if you find a nice bringback it will increase in value over time, and have more historical value.

I still see a fair number of the Soviet-capture K98ks at the shows these days. Many will require some cleanup (especially of that lovely Soviet-rebuild shellac finish that turns black), but they're not expensive and they shoot nice.

[Roland of Gilead]

A shot from last weekend...

My 10/22 but not me shooting.
http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/487782328_axinK-L.jpg

-Mark.

[Tombstone]

Big Shooting in Alabama. The liberal media is going to use this tragedy to spread their anti-gun agenda. Join the NRA and let your politicians know you will not give up your second amendment right.

[Tikihut27]

I still see a fair number of the Soviet-capture K98ks at the shows these days. Many will require some cleanup (especially of that lovely Soviet-rebuild shellac finish that turns black), but they're not expensive and they shoot nice.

Yeah, and the prices are pretty good, too. But I'm a bringback collector. I like the history of a rifle a soldier brought home, not something that went from one arsenal to another to a big importer. You know what I mean, I'm sure.

[Junior]

When did it become our job to control guns in Mexico. Take a look at this (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090312/ap_on_go_co/border_violence_guns) yahoo article.

[Tombstone]

When did it become our job to control guns in Mexico. Take a look at this (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090312/ap_on_go_co/border_violence_guns) yahoo article.

This ban is essentially saying that the US Government would like to make the US citizens more vulnerable and suffer so that Mexicans will stop killing each other. We need to start thinking about how these stupid regulations/laws effect law abiding Americans. Is Mexico thinking about us when their citizens' illegally cross the US border to abuse our healthcare/social system? I am so tired of the socialist road that America is going down.

[croatan]

Just a friendly reminder: if you can't talk about something without dragging politics into it, do not discuss it at Cigar Asylum.

And, for the sake of the rest of the community, do not ruin a thread that other people are enjoying by dragging politics into it and forcing us to close it.

[floydpink]

Not really politics, but man, there is a huge rush on the Dept of Agriculture here in Florida for CCW's......

Florida struggles with backlog of 95,000 CCW permit requests
Talk about a state agency under the gun. The Miami Herald reports that the state Division of Licensing has a backlog 95,000 applications for concealed carry weapons permits and budget shortfalls are preventing it from keeping up with the spike in demand. As a result, the legislature may consider a midyear budget transfer of nearly $4 million to help ease the situation.

A friend of mine is on day 120 and still waiting and the state law requires issue within 90 days of recieving application. They just approved 60 temp workers to be hired to try to help with the logjam in Tallahassee.

I was at the range last Weds and the AR's are flying off the shelves and ammo is getting harder to come by. If things get too bad, I'm holing up at Jordan or Elderboy's house and I'll bring the MREs.

Just in case, I am hitting the gun show this weekend and seeing what i can stock up on....

[AAlmeter]

Not really politics, but man, there is a huge rush on the Dept of Agriculture here in Florida for CCW's......

Florida struggles with backlog of 95,000 CCW permit requests
Talk about a state agency under the gun. The Miami Herald reports that the state Division of Licensing has a backlog 95,000 applications for concealed carry weapons permits and budget shortfalls are preventing it from keeping up with the spike in demand. As a result, the legislature may consider a midyear budget transfer of nearly $4 million to help ease the situation.

A friend of mine is on day 120 and still waiting and the state law requires issue within 90 days of recieving application. They just approved 60 temp workers to be hired to try to help with the logjam in Tallahassee.

I was at the range last Weds and the AR's are flying off the shelves and ammo is getting harder to come by. If things get too bad, I'm holing up at Jordan or Elderboy's house and I'll bring the MREs.

Just in case, I am hitting the gun show this weekend and seeing what i can stock up on....

AR parts are nearly impossible to get (from retailers) without a 26 week wait. I haven't seen an AR on the shelves in months.

The Gander Mountain near me was completely out of .223, and I bought the last of their 30-06 150gr rounds. Went over to Dicks and got the last 200 rounds of .223 they had.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Just ordered a H-S Precision magazine retrofit kit for my Rem 700

Hopefully they start makin mags bigger than 4...a 10 rounder would be nice!


http://territorialsupplies.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=HSPAP209-X&Category_Code=gfhsa&Product_Count=1

[JE3146]

AR parts are nearly impossible to get (from retailers) without a 26 week wait. I haven't seen an AR on the shelves in months.

The Gander Mountain near me was completely out of .223, and I bought the last of their 30-06 150gr rounds. Went over to Dicks and got the last 200 rounds of .223 they had.


All depends who you know :)

Stocks, grips, lowers, lower parts kits and upper receivers(just the receiver) are all easily acquirable in under 3 weeks time for minimal inflated value.

Barrels and BCG's on the other hand... good f*$&*#ing luck. :r

[M1903A1]

Yeah, and the prices are pretty good, too. But I'm a bringback collector. I like the history of a rifle a soldier brought home, not something that went from one arsenal to another to a big importer. You know what I mean, I'm sure.

Certainly, I like bringbacks too...but I also like having some $$ left in my pocket too!

[AAlmeter]

All depends who you know :)

Stocks, grips, lowers, lower parts kits and upper receivers(just the receiver) are all easily acquirable in under 3 weeks time for minimal inflated value.

Barrels and BCG's on the other hand... good f*$&*#ing luck. :r

I'm all set with everything except the barrel (though the LPK was a little tougher to find). I got a good deal on a complete upper (with BCG), but I cannot use the barrel here in the f'in *word omitted due to CA's political policy, but use your imagination* NY. If the holes near the barrel were of a different shape, or if my right hand were to grip the rifle in a different fashion, I'd be OK, but God forbid I cross the f'in *word omitted due to CA's political policy, but use your imagination* scumbags' opinion of what constitutes an evil rifle.

If you happen to have a reference to a good deal on a barrel that is legal in ultra-*word omitted due to CA's political policy, but use your imagination* NYS, I'm all ears.

[JE3146]

I'm all set with everything except the barrel (though the LPK was a little tougher to find). I got a good deal on a complete upper (with BCG), but I cannot use the barrel here in the f'in *word omitted due to CA's political policy, but use your imagination* NY. If the holes near the barrel were of a different shape, or if my right hand were to grip the rifle in a different fashion, I'd be OK, but God forbid I cross the f'in *word omitted due to CA's political policy, but use your imagination* scumbags' opinion of what constitutes an evil rifle.

If you happen to have a reference to a good deal on a barrel that is legal in ultra-*word omitted due to CA's political policy, but use your imagination* NYS, I'm all ears.

I have a 14.5" chrome lined M4 style govt profile bushmaster barrel with mini-Y compensator pinned to bring the OAL to 16.1"... barely 1k rounds.

Wouldn't happen to need such a thing would you? :)

[AAlmeter]

I have a 14.5" chrome lined M4 style govt profile bushmaster barrel with mini-Y compensator pinned to bring the OAL to 16.1"... barely 1k rounds.

Wouldn't happen to need such a thing would you? :)

I cannot say. I can, however, say that I'm fairly certain that any such dealings are against CA policy. I'm not in agreement with the policy, nor am I in any way scolding, but simply abiding by the aforementioned policy. I will be researching the arrangement and its legality and would greatly appreciate a PM or email to further discuss any possibility of further discussions in the event that such further discussions could possibly lead to further discourse which could possibly lead to an arrangement in which we could possibly discuss some sort of electronic meeting in which we could discuss the length and circumference of such barrel.

I know we've got a lawyer on the mod staff, and I know I'm just a lowly engineer, but I hope I've properly handled that one. Mr. Croatan, what sayeth you? ;)

[JE3146]

I cannot say. I can, however, say that I'm fairly certain that any such dealings are against CA policy. I'm not in agreement with the policy, nor am I in any way scolding, but simply abiding by the aforementioned policy. I will be researching the arrangement and its legality and would greatly appreciate a PM or email to further discuss any possibility of further discussions in the event that such further discussions could possibly lead to further discourse which could possibly lead to an arrangement in which we could possibly discuss some sort of electronic meeting in which we could discuss the length and circumference of such barrel.

I know we've got a lawyer on the mod staff, and I know I'm just a lowly engineer, but I hope I've properly handled that one. Mr. Croatan, what sayeth you? ;)

I made no such indication that I wished to sell such a device, especially on a forum such as this. I was simply seeing if such a device was something you were looking for in case I stumbled across one and could link you to it elseware :al

[AAlmeter]

I made no such indication that I wished to sell such a device, especially on a forum such as this. I was simply seeing if such a device was something you were looking for in case I stumbled across one and could link you to it elseware :al

Splendid. I am, in fact, looking for such a device. Should you happen to see one located somewhere on the intraweb, kindly send me an electronic message hinting at the location where I might possibly be able to peruse such merchandise should the current bastardization of dotgov approve and allow me such a privilege as to outfit my legally owned firearm with a proper barrel that meets standards that make as much logical sense as allowing your teenage daughter to be driven home from her babysitting job by a guy with the initials of T.K.

[Da Klugs]

I have a 14.5" chrome lined M4 style govt profile bushmaster barrel with mini-Y compensator pinned to bring the OAL to 16.1"... barely 1k rounds.

Wouldn't happen to need such a thing would you? :)

I cannot say. I can, however, say that I'm fairly certain that any such dealings are against CA policy. I'm not in agreement with the policy, nor am I in any way scolding, but simply abiding by the aforementioned policy. I will be researching the arrangement and its legality and would greatly appreciate a PM or email to further discuss any possibility of further discussions in the event that such further discussions could possibly lead to further discourse which could possibly lead to an arrangement in which we could possibly discuss some sort of electronic meeting in which we could discuss the length and circumference of such barrel.

I know we've got a lawyer on the mod staff, and I know I'm just a lowly engineer, but I hope I've properly handled that one. Mr. Croatan, what sayeth you? ;)

I made no such indication that I wished to sell such a device, especially on a forum such as this. I was simply seeing if such a device was something you were looking for in case I stumbled across one and could link you to it elseware :al

Splendid. I am, in fact, looking for such a device. Should you happen to see one located somewhere on the intraweb, kindly send me an electronic message hinting at the location where I might possibly be able to peruse such merchandise should the current bastardization of dotgov approve and allow me such a privilege as to outfit my legally owned firearm with a proper barrel that meets standards that make as much logical sense as allowing your teenage daughter to be driven home from her babysitting job by a guy with the initials of T.K.

->Long post deleted here<-

First can easily become last based upon paranoid "liability holders" becoming uncomfortable.

[Tim D.]

After reading this thread I got so horny for my guns that I'm going to pull them all out of my safe and clean them and talk to them and tuck them back into bed and read them a bedtime story. I'll try to post a pic of my modest collection some time soon. Now everyone go join the NRA and send them a big check (I am a Patron member)!

[elderboy02]

After reading this thread I got so horny for my guns that I'm going to pull them all out of my safe and clean them and talk to them and tuck them back into bed and read them a bedtime story. I'll try to post a pic of my modest collection some time soon. Now everyone go join the NRA and send them a big check (I am a Patron member)!

Can't wait for the pics! :dr

[WildBlueSooner]

After reading this thread I got so horny for my guns that I'm going to pull them all out of my safe and clean them and talk to them and tuck them back into bed and read them a bedtime story. I'll try to post a pic of my modest collection some time soon. Now everyone go join the NRA and send them a big check (I am a Patron member)!

I am a little scared right now ;)

[Mark C]

I'm looking for a 22lr target gun. Very interested in a revolver. I kinda like the idea of a double action, but I hear the trigger pull is pretty stiff. I've been eyeing the Taurus Model 94 and the Ruger Single Six. I've looked at S&W, but they're a bit out of my price range. I've seen Single Six's go for around $350 on gunbroker, give or take a little, that's pretty much my upper range. Anything else I should consider? Any opinions on DA vs SA rimfire revolvers?

[pearson]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125007756

these are great for .22 and uber accurate, but not a revolver if that is what you really want.

[croatan]

I'm looking for a 22lr target gun. Very interested in a revolver. I kinda like the idea of a double action, but I hear the trigger pull is pretty stiff. I've been eyeing the Taurus Model 94 and the Ruger Single Six. I've looked at S&W, but they're a bit out of my price range. I've seen Single Six's go for around $350 on gunbroker, give or take a little, that's pretty much my upper range. Anything else I should consider? Any opinions on DA vs SA rimfire revolvers?

I've had a Super Single Six forever. Great plinking pistol. Handy to be able to switch out the barrels to .22 magnum, as well. Never shot the Taurus, so no help there.

[Roland of Gilead]

From this weekend...

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491365260_pWyeS-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491364902_HquQ4-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491365652_NeYYd-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491367109_7yfiP-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491368774_sYPMt-XL.jpg

-Roland.

[Roland of Gilead]

and more...

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491369228_pksSh-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491374056_K7Dc3-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491373662_gKsnZ-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491374924_WptF4-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491371684_mNVA5-XL.jpg

[Roland of Gilead]

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491370795_vfAmH-XL.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/491372174_k4mdr-XL.jpg


-Roland.

[AriesOpusX]

9MM Star M43

http://xs537.xs.to/xs537/09110/image_138261.jpg (http://xs.to)

http://xs537.xs.to/xs537/09110/image_139330.jpg (http://xs.to)

http://xs537.xs.to/xs537/09110/image_133955.jpg (http://xs.to)

http://xs537.xs.to/xs537/09110/image_136331.jpg (http://xs.to)

[elderboy02]

Nice pics guys! :tu

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Great pics Roland!!!!!:tu:dance::wo

[JE3146]

Roland .. got any info on that Oregon engraved lower?

That's are pretty sweet :D

Should mention I'm local... in Corvallis.

[Mark C]

Ever kick yourself for passing up a good deal? I was at the range tonight and saw the owner finish cleaning a P6, and put a tag on it for $319. The gun had a little wear, but was dated '98 and had factory night sights. I've got a P6 already so I passed on it... but mine is dated '79, needs new springs, has plain iron sights and a lot more wear. By the time I got home I regretted my decision, left a voice mail and an email for the shop hoping they'll set it aside for me until after work tomorrow. Hopefully they check messages before the gun sells!

[Catfish]

Well, gentlemen. The attack is upon us. No, they are not coming for our weapons. They're going for the ammo.

Read it for yourself.

DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers (http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html)

We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners.

Oh, everyone got upset about HR45--I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress.

I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top--it would never get out of committee.

Tom said save your energy for when we really need it--don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere.

Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (http://www.georgia-arms.com/), on Gun Talk (http://www.guntalk.com/)--and Tom agrees, now is the time to "...unleash the hounds..." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen.

Now it has come clear...now we know what they intend to do.

It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales.

Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless.

Think we jest?

Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:


Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254


March 12, 2009

Larry Haynie
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180

Re: Event 7084-6200:

Dear Larry Haynie,

Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.

If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.

Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.

Sincerely,

Government Liquidation.



Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition.

Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap.

Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S.

"We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me.

He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force.

Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass.

He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market.

Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country.

He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country.

You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.

Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.

Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club.

What can you do?

Google "contact members of Congress" or simply type in http://www.congress.org/.
When you reach that site, type in your zip code--it will give you all your representatives, senators, and their web pages.

Or you can find the addresses and e-mails of your own senators and congressmen by going to http://www.senate.gov/ and http://www.house.gov/. Both pages have locator aids at the top of the page.

[Catfish]

Following is an idea of a letter you can send your Congress-critters to help in the fight to stop this action by the Obama administration.

This isn't the future, gents. It's no longer a: "When are they going to make the push?", "I wonder what tactic they will use?", "What's their plan?"

It is here.

It is now.

This move can effectively remove the ability for the average, everyday Joe to be able to enjoy the shooting sports by effectively making ammo either impossible to get or too expensive to be able to purchase.

Write your congressman.

Join the NRA.

If you aren't part of the solution, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.





Help you fellow 2nd ammendment supporting, law-abiding citizens such as myself that are only interested in supporting the rights guaranteed us in the original Bill of Rights.


The Honorable _________________________________________
Member of Congress from _________________________________

Dear Congressman _______________________________________:

It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture.

You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere.

Now, apparently the Obama administration, realizing they cannot move against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in another way.

By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition supply.

Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military ammunition.

In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds.

With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the civilian and law enforcement market.

Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold and calculating that the Obama administration has no compunction against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition. One major resupplier, Georgia Arms, the fifth largest manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition has informed me he will have to quickly lay off half his 60-person workforce, as he has had to cancel contracts with dozens of police agencies who had contracted with him to supply them with remanufactured .223 ammunition.

Georgia Arms has been practically put out of business by this directive that all expended military brass must be shredded. His current contracts have been canceled, and he is notifying his customers across the country he can no longer supply their ammunition needs.

Please look into this immediately. This move by the Obama administration is nothing but a back-door strike against firearms ownership in this country--if shooters can't buy ammunition, the guns are little better than steel clubs--and this is obviously the intent.

Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry.

Sincerely,

[GhostRyder]

And so it begins...

[Tombstone]

We should not act suprised.

[Catfish]

We should not act suprised.

But we should act. :tu

[Cigarcop]

You guys and your guns!! Figured I post a few of my favorite sniping long guns. All three are custom made, top two are .308's bottom is an HS Precision Pro Series 2000 LA in 300 Mag.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9dd36b3127ccec6f66231ecab00000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9dd36b3127ccec6f7cf778c6f00000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9dd36b3127ccec6f7fe424dea00000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[Tombstone]

But we should act. :tu

I couldn't agree more. :tu

[cigars_n_scotch]

there's a lot of great information and gun pictures in this thread. I'm in the process of filling out my firearms permit to purchase a handgun and wanted to see what kind of advice in terms of sites to peruse for research or to view models anyone could suggest? I don't have a range nearby me to use where I could fire different weapons to get a feel. I do have a few sporting goods stores which I can check into to see if they have any programs to allow you to fire different handguns.

Suggested models? I'm familiar with shotguns and rifles and have only fired a Glock 17 & 23. I do not have large hands so something compact is what I am looking for. The use will be for home/self-defense and to take out for target practice. I'm also going to be teaching my fiancee how to handle a gun.

Oh, and I will joining the NRA. It makes me furious when the gov't tries BS like this and I'm glad there's a forum to get a lot of this information from. It's all very helpful.

Anyone have any sites they suggest I take a look at as well? Forums, informational, research, or anything.

Thank you all for your help.

[elderboy02]

there's a lot of great information and gun pictures in this thread. I'm in the process of filling out my firearms permit to purchase a handgun and wanted to see what kind of advice in terms of sites to peruse for research or to view models anyone could suggest? I don't have a range nearby me to use where I could fire different weapons to get a feel. I do have a few sporting goods stores which I can check into to see if they have any programs to allow you to fire different handguns.

Suggested models? I'm familiar with shotguns and rifles and have only fired a Glock 17 & 23. I do not have large hands so something compact is what I am looking for. The use will be for home/self-defense and to take out for target practice. I'm also going to be teaching my fiancee how to handle a gun.

Oh, and I will joining the NRA. It makes me furious when the gov't tries BS like this and I'm glad there's a forum to get a lot of this information from. It's all very helpful.

Anyone have any sites they suggest I take a look at as well? Forums, informational, research, or anything.

Thank you all for your help.

I would recommend AR15.com They have a section for handguns as well. I see you have already tried the Glock 23 (my favorite gun). Try out a S&W 442. It is a snub-nose revolver in a .38spl +p. It is a great carry gun. It is not too fun on the range b/c of the small size, but I love it for concealed carry.

[elderboy02]

Oops, when I saw you were filling out a permit form, I though you were talking about Concealed Carry. I now see you live in one of the crappiest gun law states right after Cali. For a nice range gun and home defense gun, try out the S&W M&P 9mm. 1911's are fun as well ;)

Thank you for joining the NRA. I can't think of a more important time to join the NRA than now. We are going to have an interesting time ahead of us.

[AriesOpusX]

Suggested models? I'm familiar with shotguns and rifles and have only fired a Glock 17 & 23. I do not have large hands so something compact is what I am looking for. The use will be for home/self-defense and to take out for target practice. I'm also going to be teaching my fiancee how to handle a gun.

The springfield armory XD line of pistols are great starter guns. You can pick up a new 9mm model for around $500. The 9mm rounds are cheaper for target practice at the range and have sufficient stopping power for home defense, your fiancee if she's on the small side will have an easier time handling a 9mm too. You can never go wrong with a glock either in my opinion. :tu

[floydpink]

I also have smaller hands and have gone back and forth between semi autos before finding what I believe is the perfect compact handgun; the Smith and Wesson 642 Airweight 38 special.

The debate will always go back and forth, but for me, it is the perfect handgun and one many pros carry. It conceals well and is as light as just about any compact I have held.

I have recently put on Crimson Trace Laser grips and am as happy as can be.

I do have a Taurus 357 magnum, but it is too big to carry and is uncomfortable for me to shoot due to the heavy kick.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/SW38sp.jpg

[cigars_n_scotch]

Oops, when I saw you were filling out a permit form, I though you were talking about Concealed Carry. I now see you live in one of the crappiest gun law states right after Cali. For a nice range gun and home defense gun, try out the S&W M&P 9mm. 1911's are fun as well ;)

Thank you for joining the NRA. I can't think of a more important time to join the NRA than now. We are going to have an interesting time ahead of us.


Haha, yeah elberboy I live in NJ which SUCKS when it comes to owning a firearm among all of the many other reasons why new Jersey is such a crapass state. (which is why I have plans to move to NC but that's when the market picks back up a bit).

i really appreciate all of your help and feedback. I totally forgot about ar15.com It's a good site, I've been on it before a couple of times over the years just never stayed steady with it. I can't conceal carry so that's out of the question for now but thanks for the suggestions.. I'm going to check out the S&W M&P 9mm on the web. I've seen quite a few people recommend the Springfielf Armory XD line as a first handgun so I am also looking at that (the compact).

And anything I can do to support our cause, cigars or firearms alike, I will help out in any way. I'm even going to email my congressman based off of catfish's awesome information and template.

[cigars_n_scotch]

The springfield armory XD line of pistols are great starter guns. You can pick up a new 9mm model for around $500. The 9mm rounds are cheaper for target practice at the range and have sufficient stopping power for home defense, your fiancee if she's on the small side will have an easier time handling a 9mm too. You can never go wrong with a glock either in my opinion. :tu

Thanks Aries. Yeah I'm going to check into the SA XD line, really nice handgun and I've read some good things from people who got this as their first.

Nice snubnose floyd! Really sharp.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

HS Precision Pro Series 2000 LA in 300 Mag.


How do u feel about the H-S Precision products?

[elderboy02]

Haha, yeah elberboy I live in NJ which SUCKS when it comes to owning a firearm among all of the many other reasons why new Jersey is such a crapass state. (which is why I have plans to move to NC but that's when the market picks back up a bit).

i really appreciate all of your help and feedback. I totally forgot about ar15.com It's a good site, I've been on it before a couple of times over the years just never stayed steady with it. I can't conceal carry so that's out of the question for now but thanks for the suggestions.. I'm going to check out the S&W M&P 9mm on the web. I've seen quite a few people recommend the Springfielf Armory XD line as a first handgun so I am also looking at that (the compact).

And anything I can do to support our cause, cigars or firearms alike, I will help out in any way. I'm even going to email my congressman based off of catfish's awesome information and template.

Another great organization to join is the SAF (Second Amendment Foundation)

[GhostRyder]

I went with a Glock 19 for my first. Compact, 9mm. Always goes bang. I love it.

As far as firearm info, I'm really not an ar15.com fan. ar15armory.com on the other hand is a great place that I highly recommend. A lot less political in my opinion.

[Sauer Grapes]

I've only owned glocks and sigs. Glocks are indestrucable, but I'll never own another. I fell in love with sig at first trigger pull.

[Catfish]

I highly recommend Springfield XD's and XDM, S&W M&P, Ruger SR-9, Ruger 24/7, almost any 1911 from Springfield, S&W, Kimber, Ruger, etc.

You can get a nice, full sized home defense weapon for less than $600.

I highly recommend a small, powerful, preferably an LED flashlight. Surefire makes the G2 and G3 LED's very inexpensively and are very easy to use and will damb near melt the wallpaper of your hallway illuminating the area.

If funds allow, you may want to look into a light / laser combo from Lasermax or the X2 from Insight. That's another $300 or so. If you go that option, you'll have to make sure you get a gun with an accessory rail.

I also recommend you visit a website called http://www.guntalk.tv/site.php. Tom Gresham, the host of guntalk radio and Personal Defense TV has put together a massive collection of short videos that are very entertaining and extremely educational, especially for a n00b wishing to gain some base level of knowledge before going to a range or a gun shop/ show and asking questions.

There is a small membership fee for that website. If you are on a budget and can't pay for it, please feel free to PM me and we can work something out, I'm sure.

I also recommend against teaching your significant other unless

A: You wish to no longer be significantly others
B: You are a very good at instructing people.

I'd be more than happy to share my experiences with instructing. :D

[Starchild]

I just saw this link on another site. It looks like the NRA is doing a membership drive and offering a free one year membership.

http://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/

[Roland of Gilead]

I just put a KiD trigger into my 10/22. Holy cats! If you breath on that thing it goes off. It's amazing.

From the KiD website

http://coolguyguns.com/webstore/images/large/KIDTriggers_LRG.jpg

-Mark.

[cigars_n_scotch]

I highly recommend Springfield XD's and XDM, S&W M&P, Ruger SR-9, Ruger 24/7, almost any 1911 from Springfield, S&W, Kimber, Ruger, etc.

You can get a nice, full sized home defense weapon for less than $600.

I highly recommend a small, powerful, preferably an LED flashlight. Surefire makes the G2 and G3 LED's very inexpensively and are very easy to use and will damb near melt the wallpaper of your hallway illuminating the area.

If funds allow, you may want to look into a light / laser combo from Lasermax or the X2 from Insight. That's another $300 or so. If you go that option, you'll have to make sure you get a gun with an accessory rail.

I also recommend you visit a website called http://www.guntalk.tv/site.php. Tom Gresham, the host of guntalk radio and Personal Defense TV has put together a massive collection of short videos that are very entertaining and extremely educational, especially for a n00b wishing to gain some base level of knowledge before going to a range or a gun shop/ show and asking questions.

There is a small membership fee for that website. If you are on a budget and can't pay for it, please feel free to PM me and we can work something out, I'm sure.

I also recommend against teaching your significant other unless

A: You wish to no longer be significantly others
B: You are a very good at instructing people.

I'd be more than happy to share my experiences with instructing. :D

Thanks for the information Catfish. I certainly understand where you are coming from in advising me against teaching my fiancee how to shoot. Teaching anyone something like this can lend itself pretty difficult. (Teaching her how to snowboard was just as much fun! :tu)

[Junior]

Oops, when I saw you were filling out a permit form, I though you were talking about Concealed Carry. I now see you live in one of the crappiest gun law states right after Cali. For a nice range gun and home defense gun, try out the S&W M&P 9mm. 1911's are fun as well ;)

Thank you for joining the NRA. I can't think of a more important time to join the NRA than now. We are going to have an interesting time ahead of us.

I have the S&W M&P in 40. It is a great gun, but it has to be taken care of. I bought it to keep in the truck, and sit in the floor next to my console. After about two weeks I picked it up and noticed a little rust on the slide release and the rear sight. I really like the feel of the S&W over the Springfield, but if you don't stay on top of the S&W you will have problems.

Take a good look at the Sig Sauer SP2022. It is the polymer framed Sig. I have a SP2340 which is an older version, and really like it. It comes with 2 different grip sizes so you can change it out to fit your hand. Also check out CDNN sports Inc you will have to click on the link to download the catalog. Online they usually have some good deals on there stuff.

[AAlmeter]

Ruger 24/7


Taurus???

[TheRiddick]

I highly recommend Springfield XD's and XDM...

Never owned a gun, but am thinking of getting one soon. Was told that a .45 (XDM?) is probably a better choice than 9MM. Any thoughts on this?

[bonjing]

well the XDM is out of the question because we live in California, and i don't think the XDM comes in 45 yet. However I have shot the XD-45 i love the the whole feel it has, but i just couldn't get used to the trigger. As i tell everyone, shoot one first, then you'll know if YOU like it.

I am a fan of the .45 in general. why because i shoot it better. with all the ammunition developments you can't go wrong with either. granted, the bigger the whole you make the better. the only thing 9mm offers is that the ammunition is cheaper.

[357]

well the XDM is out of the question because we live in California, and i don't think the XDM comes in 45 yet. However I have shot the XD-45 i love the the whole feel it has, but i just couldn't get used to the trigger. As i tell everyone, shoot one first, then you'll know if YOU like it.

I am a fan of the .45 in general. why because i shoot it better. with all the ammunition developments you can't go wrong with either. granted, the bigger the whole you make the better. the only thing 9mm offers is that the ammunition is cheaper.

I tend to agree. The research shows that the bigger the whole the more effective the round. Muzzle energy plays in, but not at much as caliber.

I also agree with your advice to shoot before you buy. Do a little research and narrow it to 2-3 models, then try them out at a range that rents handguns. It's really worth it if you find a gun doesn't fit your hand or is hard for you to operate because you'll save a lot of time and money. You may find you like SAO 1911s, or that you prefer DAO XD/Glock/etc, or even DA/SA like Sig Sauer. I tried 3-4 before I settled on the 1911 design in .45ACP. Then I did more reaserch before choosing Kimber. My avatar is the stock photo of my Kimber.

BTW:
SAO = Single Action Only. This means the trigger does not **** the gun, only fires it. Most SAO handguns are carried cocked and locked (safety)
DAO = Double Action Only. This means the trigger cocks and fires the gun each time you pull the trigger. Most DAO handguns lack a real safety.
DA/SA = Double Action (first shot) then Single Action there after. These handguns usually have a de-cocking lever and a safety.

Many even prefer revolvers for their simplicity. They too come in DAO or DA/SA. The difference being to get SA on a revolver you have to manually **** back the hammer each time. There are SAO revolvers too. With them you have to manually **** the hammer each time before you can fire.

Edited to mention that the word *** out is not meant in a profane manner. LOL

[Tombstone]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/966133.html

Always be prepared.

[357]

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal/read.aspx?id=3047

Theory Of Gun Control Meets Reality Of Crime

Friday, May 25, 2007

A May 15 story in The Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio) serves as a good reminder of how a person’s support for gun control often changes after a personal experience with crime.

State Representative Michael DeBose (D-12) of Cleveland was an opponent of Right-to-Carry, having voted against the measure twice. All that changed on the night of May 1, when he was confronted by two men, one of whom was wielding a gun. On that night, Rep. DeBose’s sense of security in his neighborhood changed, as did his view on lawful citizens being able to defend themselves.

Rep. DeBose was lucky—this time—that his running, screaming, and summons for help prevented him from being harmed. When asked how this recent experience may change the prism through which he views Right-to-Carry, Rep. DeBose was crystal clear: "I was wrong. I'm going to get a permit and so is my wife. I've changed my mind. You need a way to protect yourself and your family. I don't want to hurt anyone. But I never again want to be in the position where I'm approached by someone with a gun and I don't have one. There are too many people who are just evil and mean-spirited. They will hurt you for no reason. If more people were packing guns, it might serve as a deterrent.”

We welcome Rep. DeBose to the growing list of Right-to-Carry converts. While it is too bad it took a life-threatening situation to convert him, we hope he will share his experience, and his newfound respect for the right to self-defense, with his other colleagues who still don’t get it. It is our hope they won’t have to endure a similar experience to do so.

[GTsetGO]

well the XDM is out of the question because we live in California, and i don't think the XDM comes in 45 yet. However I have shot the XD-45 i love the the whole feel it has, but i just couldn't get used to the trigger. As i tell everyone, shoot one first, then you'll know if YOU like it.

I am a fan of the .45 in general. why because i shoot it better. with all the ammunition developments you can't go wrong with either. granted, the bigger the whole you make the better. the only thing 9mm offers is that the ammunition is cheaper.

research on this can go either way actually. if you take the size of the round and the hole it makes, then sure the 45 is better.

but if you take into account the speed (potential energy) of the round plus the grain of the bullet, then the 9mm is the better to have in your hand.


me personally, i like to shoot a nice 45, but when it comes to my carry and protection piece, then i use the SA XD40 subcompact. in my house, i use a nice 12 ga shotgun with lead shot.

[elderboy02]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/966133.html

Always be prepared.

Good shoot. One less piece of scum walking the streets and the taxpayers don't have to pay for him sitting in jail. I hope the hero is ok.

I hear people say "Why do you feel it is necessary to carry a gun all the time. You don't need to carry in a restaurant or a grocery store"

This just goes to show why you need to carry whenever possible.

[GTsetGO]

Good shoot. One less piece of scum walking the streets and we don't have to pay for him sitting in jail. I hope the hero is ok.

I hear people say "Why do you feel it is necessary to carry a gun all the time. You don't need to carry in a restaurant or a grocery store"

This just goes to show why you need to carry whenever possible.

amen. only thing that sucks here is that you can't carry in a place that has a "no weapons" sign posted or a place that serves alcohol by the glass.

now, you tell me how a "no weapons" sign is going to keep me safe as we all know the criminal will follow that sign just like us law abiding citizens.

[elderboy02]

amen. only thing that sucks here is that you can't carry in a place that has a "no weapons" sign posted or a place that serves alcohol by the glass.

now, you tell me how a "no weapons" sign is going to keep me safe as we all know the criminal will follow that sign just like us law abiding citizens.

It is the same way here. I can't carry in a place with a No Guns sign. When I see a business with that sign, I simply don't support them. I hope they go out of business. I don't know why they wouldn't want my business in these tough economic times. Screw them. United Dairy Farmers is a huge convenince store monopoly here in Cincinnati. They have the No Guns sign posted. Guess what, they don't get my business. I loved their ice cream too. The funny thing is that the criminals target these businesses specifically b/c they know no one will be armed. One of their stores got robbed twice in the same day :r Stupid idiots.

Ohio is currently working on a bill that would allow you to carry in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as you aren't consuming alcohol. I don't remember the specific details b/c it was just introduced. It would be similar to the law in Texas, if I recall correctly.

I would love for the law to be passed b/c I hate going to the local pizza joint to pick up my carryout order and having to disarm and then re-arm.

[Tombstone]

What type of holsters do you guys use. I have been looking at the one below. What do you think? Do you think it would conceal the firearm with the shirt untucked? BTW i already have a IWB holster. Thanks

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=1085&GunID=108

[floydpink]

What type of holsters do you guys use. I have been looking at the one below. What do you think? Do you think it would conceal the firearm with the shirt untucked? BTW i already have a IWB holster. Thanks

http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=1085&GunID=108

I have a Don Hume holster similar to that one, but can't use it much unless I am in a sweatshirt or jacket, which isn't often in Florida.

So far, the best holster I have found is made by Mika, a fulltime LA Police Captain. He does each one personally by hand and the turnaround is about 2 months. Not fancy, just great and also inexpensive.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~akim/

I have also found that no matter what holster you chose, a good thick gunbelt is absolutely a must.

[357]

amen. only thing that sucks here is that you can't carry in a place that has a "no weapons" sign posted or a place that serves alcohol by the glass.

now, you tell me how a "no weapons" sign is going to keep me safe as we all know the criminal will follow that sign just like us law abiding citizens.

Michigan law is a little different. I can legally carry in a business who has a No Guns or No Concealed Carry sign. They do have the right to ask me to leave, since it's private property they can enforce my removal. However, how are they going to know I'm carrying concealed? So, basically it's a moot point. I can carry regardless of their stupid sign.

I can carry into a resteraunt/bowling alley that servers alcohol, but the law states I cannot carry if the establishment makes over 50% of their earnings from the sale of served alcohol. So basically no bars, casinos, entertainment facility that seats over 2500, schools, dormitory, college/university, hospital, day care center, or place of worship unless you have explicit permission.

Kind of a lot of "criminal zones" now that I think about it.

Oh yeah, I carry with an IWB holster by Wild Bill Concealment.

[TheRiddick]

well the XDM is out of the question because we live in California, and i don't think the XDM comes in 45 yet. However I have shot the XD-45 i love the the whole feel it has, but i just couldn't get used to the trigger. As i tell everyone, shoot one first, then you'll know if YOU like it.

I am a fan of the .45 in general. why because i shoot it better. with all the ammunition developments you can't go wrong with either. granted, the bigger the whole you make the better. the only thing 9mm offers is that the ammunition is cheaper.

I will double check today, but a friend of mine just got an XDM .45 and the reasons he gave me were that he wanted a more compact gun (for his smaller hand, similar to mine) and good stopping power. But from all the comments here looks like a 9MM is good enough as well.

Looking at the SA XDM via their online info and tech sheets the gun offers plenty of safety features where you can easily figure out everything by touch in the dark, I really like that. Its American made, which is also important to me right now, and the price seems to be OK.

In that same frame size, any other guns that I should be looking at?

TIA.

[Starchild]

Looking at the SA XDM via their online info and tech sheets the gun offers plenty of safety features where you can easily figure out everything by touch in the dark, I really like that. Its American made, which is also important to me right now, and the price seems to be OK.

In that same frame size, any other guns that I should be looking at?

TIA.

Unfortunately, even though Springfield Arms is an American company, the XD line is produced in Croatia :(

As for something similar, I would look at a Glock 19 if you haven't already. I've got a G26 and have been very happy.

[Junior]

As far as 9mm vs 45. I prefer 45’s to shoot.
There is a difference in recoil to me. The 45 is a shove where the 9mm is more zippy. I have shot many different calibers over the years, and have stayed with a 40&W that I carry most every day. It is a happy medium for me. I really like 45’s but the magazine capacity is what got me. I can carry 13 in my sig 16 in the S&W or 8 in my 45. I don’t carry an extra magazine with me. I know I should, but just am too lazy.

On the Glock side.
You are either a big fan or hate them. I don’t think there is a middle ground on this one. I would suggest holding one, and pointing it at something before making up your mind. I personally hate them, but it is because they don’t fit my hands. This is my personal belief and backed by no fact, but I think that the Glocks were built as a replacement weapon for the PD’s so they have a grip angle closer to a revolver.

[Catfish]

Good shoot. One less piece of scum walking the streets and the taxpayers don't have to pay for him sitting in jail. I hope the hero is ok.

I hear people say "Why do you feel it is necessary to carry a gun all the time. You don't need to carry in a restaurant or a grocery store"

This just goes to show why you need to carry whenever possible.

I couldn't disagree more that this was a good shoot.

1: The perp. had his gun drawn. Statistically speaking, a law abiding citizen who pulls their weapon against a drawn weapon stands an exponentially higher chance of being shot and dying than by keeping their cool until the situation requires their weapon be drawn.

2: The law abiding citizen is now in Jackson Memorial with multiple gun shot wounds and could still succomb to the myriad infections and complications arising from being shot and just being in a hospital.

3: The story says nothing about anyone's life being directly threatened. The gunman wanted money. He didn't grab anyone, use them as collateral or in other direct manner threaten any life. I would think in hindsight, the law abiding citizen should have maintained a low-profile, be a good observer, get a good description as they could of the perp and assist law enforcement with all of that info.

Food for thought for you all, I hope.

[Tombstone]

I couldn't disagree more that this was a good shoot.

1: The perp. had his gun drawn. Statistically speaking, a law abiding citizen who pulls their weapon against a drawn weapon stands an exponentially higher chance of being shot and dying than by keeping their cool until the situation requires their weapon be drawn.

2: The law abiding citizen is now in Jackson Memorial with multiple gun shot wounds and could still succomb to the myriad infections and complications arising from being shot and just being in a hospital.

3: The story says nothing about anyone's life being directly threatened. The gunman wanted money. He didn't grab anyone, use them as collateral or in other direct manner threaten any life. I would think in hindsight, the law abiding citizen should have maintained a low-profile, be a good observer, get a good description as they could of the perp and assist law enforcement with all of that info.

Food for thought for you all, I hope.


The perp had his gun drawn and was making threatening demands. Anyone who tries to rob a store with a gun has the intent to kill. The perp got what he deserved. The law abiding citizen should have maintained a low profile and reacted with deadly force when the perp was not expecting it.

[TheManWithNoName]

On the Glock side.
You are either a big fan or hate them. I don’t think there is a middle ground on this one. I would suggest holding one, and pointing it at something before making up your mind. I personally hate them, but it is because they don’t fit my hands.

I'd like to throw in my :2 on this one. I also am a big fan of the .45, and for those who have a problem with Glocks for whatever reason I would recommend checking out the G36. It's a .45, but it uses a a single-stack mag, and is basically a slimmer version of of the G30 (10+1 capacity). The single stack brings the capacity down to 6+1, but when you're dealing with a .45 I'm of the opinion that's generally going to be 5 or 6 more than you would need.

The slimmer design makes a big difference for me when holding/firing it, and it's also great as a CCW. I know I sound like a commercial, but I just like this one and the first time firing it I put all 6 rounds through the target's head at about 20, 25 feet. But, to each his own. :tu If you have the money, I've also heard and read great things about the Sigs, Kimbers, etc. But like many of these good people have already said, holding it and firing it at a range is the best thing you can do to make up your mind.
Just my humble :2

[Cigarcop]

How do u feel about the H-S Precision products?


Extremely well built products, I had to wait a bit for them to build it, I forget exactly how long it took. Their not cheap either!!
Thats one of the smoothest shooting rifles I have, I could shoot that thing all day, of course the barrel is heavy and absorbs much of the punch.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

[QUOTE=Cigarcop;303921]Extremely well built products, I had to wait a bit for them to build it, I forget exactly how long it took. Their not cheap either!!
Thats one of the smoothest shooting rifles I have, I could shoot that thing all day, of course the barrel is heavy and absorbs much of the punch.[/QUOTE

I bought a magazine conversion kit for my Rem 700. I just got it Tuesday. After sanding the stock and such down I inserted one mag and she didnt fit or feed right. Most of the time one round would barely feed but the rest wouldnt. The messed up mag would wiggle around and also the front of the mag would fit correctly but the rear would hang down about 1/16" not allowing the cartridge to sit high enough to chamber. The extra mag I ordered fit like a glove and fed all the rounds correctly. Im pissed cause I spent 80 bucks on a mag that doesnt feed right :mad:

If you look at a round in both mags. One primer is higher than the other in turn causing the bolt to just ride over the cartridge :mad::mad::mad:




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[Cigarcop]

I would send it back, and ask for a replacement or refund.

A buddy of mine has the same rifle that I have only in 338 Lapua.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I sent them both emails and will give H-S Precision and territorial supplies (where I bought them from) a call tomorrow and raise hell

[Tombstone]

I have a Remington 870 super-mag shotgun. Does anyone know where i can order a shorter barrel for it? Thanks

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I have a Remington 870 super-mag shotgun. Does anyone know where i can order a shorter barrel for it? Thanks

Cabelas or Bass Pro might have em. Im not really sure

[smokeyandthebandit05]

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0005760212137a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&selectedPerPage=54&Nty=1&hasJS=true&Ntt=870&N=0&_D%3Asort=+&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1#chart

That might help..or



http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/shotguns/original_factory_barrels.asp




You could always just saw it off lol

[Junior]

Here (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125599130) is one on Gunbroker. It is used, but he has two of them both 20".

[icehog3]

The perp had his gun drawn and was making threatening demands. Anyone who tries to rob a store with a gun has the intent to kill. The perp got what he deserved. The law abiding citizen should have maintained a low profile and reacted with deadly force when the perp was not expecting it.

Ability, maybe, but intent? How does one determine that?

With 23 years in law enforcement, I can safely say that not everyone who robs a store with a gun has the intent to kill. :2

[Catfish]

Taurus???

My apologies. Yes, I meant the Taurus 24/7. From what I understand, it's a great weapon for a great price.

[Catfish]

The perp had his gun drawn and was making threatening demands.
Point granted. That is a bad situation. Unfortunately, he has the initiative thus far in this engagement. A very bad start for an armed bystander.

Anyone who tries to rob a store with a gun has the intent to kill.
Icehog stole my thunder and made my point on that particular aspect of this situation.

The perp got what he deserved
Do you really think so? I think that could be a fabulous philosophical discussion if we ever get the opportunity to HERF. Even though I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd ammendment and completely agree that any educated, trained, law-abiding citizen has the right to defend themself and their family, I also have a hard time with someone losing their life when it's not absolutely necessary to preserve the lives of others.

Unfortunately, I wasn't there, didn't see what the armed bystander saw and can't negatively judge him for taking action. I don't want that statement to make me sound hypocritical in regards to my previous comments here, I want to make a clarification on that. IMPO, any armed bystander who chooses to enter into an armed dispute and comes away shot ( multiple times just enforces the point ) isn't in a good shoot. I wouldn't doubt it was a righteous kill.

The law abiding citizen should have maintained a low profile
Couldn't agree more.

and reacted with deadly force when the perp was not expecting it.
Again, hard to speculate on. Depending on what the grand jury decides, it could be determined that when the armed bystander took action, noone's lives were being threatened anymore and that would thereby make the bystander's action criminal.

Florida law states that deadly force can only be used when it can be proven the person using deaedly force was defending themself or another in the face of an immediate life threatening situation. The moment that immediate threat has passed, the armed person may no longer use deadly force. An example of my point would be: If you walk up to your home and you come face to face with someone who has just walked out of your home after killing a loved one inside, you can not use deadly force on them.

[357]

I'd like to throw in my :2 on this one. I also am a big fan of the .45, and for those who have a problem with Glocks for whatever reason I would recommend checking out the G36. It's a .45, but it uses a a single-stack mag, and is basically a slimmer version of of the G30 (10+1 capacity). The single stack brings the capacity down to 6+1, but when you're dealing with a .45 I'm of the opinion that's generally going to be 5 or 6 more than you would need.

The slimmer design makes a big difference for me when holding/firing it, and it's also great as a CCW. I know I sound like a commercial, but I just like this one and the first time firing it I put all 6 rounds through the target's head at about 20, 25 feet. But, to each his own. :tu If you have the money, I've also heard and read great things about the Sigs, Kimbers, etc. But like many of these good people have already said, holding it and firing it at a range is the best thing you can do to make up your mind.
Just my humble :2

I'm not a big Glock fan primarily because to me they have the ergonomics of a brick. If I was going to buy one it would probably be the G36 due to the single stack design. High-capacity is nice, but usually not required. Statistics show that usually 1-2 rounds is all the shots fired most every time. My Kimber magazine holds 8 and I get 1 in the chamber since SAO are carried cocked and locked. So, I don't see too many situations where I'll need more than 9 rounds of .45ACP. It could happen but not likely.

That said my next holster purchase will be a shoulder rig with a dual mag pouch on the opposite side. This is primarily for balancing the weight of the pistol but, the extra capacity doesn't hurt.

Again I agree with the statements above. Shoot first, buy second. It's the only way you can know you'll be happy with an investment of $400-$1000.

[357]

The perp had his gun drawn and was making threatening demands. Anyone who tries to rob a store with a gun has the intent to kill. The perp got what he deserved. The law abiding citizen should have maintained a low profile and reacted with deadly force when the perp was not expecting it.

I agree.

[357]

Catfish,

While I think most are on the same side in this debate. I think many disagree on the issue of whether or not the CCW holder should have shot.

I believe that as soon as the perp brandishes their firearm, they are threatening the lives of everyone in the room/building. Nobody knows what the perp will do next so the best course of action is to wait until you have the opportunity to draw and fire safely; safely for the CCW holder and anyone in the path of his shot.

Michigan had a story hit the news a few years ago where a woman was being beaten with a metal pipe on the side of some side street. She was within moments of being beaten to death. Someone drove up, stopped, shot the assailant in the head, and drove away. The reason the person was believe to have drove away was because they were either carrying a gun illegally or they were a legal CCW holder who didn't want to be charged with a crime. What crime you ask? Failing to flee the scene. Until July 1, 2004 any CCW holder was required to flee the scene if at all possible before resorting to using their firearm. Sounds logical, except in the case above a CCW holder would have been guilty of a felony. So, the law was changed to a "stand your ground" position. Now as a CCW holder I do not have to flee. If I am in no violation of the law when I am presented with a commission of a felony or life threatening bodily harm to me/others, I have the right to defend myself/others.

Just my :2

[Tombstone]

Florida law states that deadly force can only be used when it can be proven the person using deaedly force was defending themself or another in the face of an immediate life threatening situation. The moment that immediate threat has passed, the armed person may no longer use deadly force. An example of my point would be: If you walk up to your home and you come face to face with someone who has just walked out of your home after killing a loved one inside, you can not use deadly force on them.

The perp was holding someone at gunpoint making demands this constitutes an immediate life threatening situation. The perp should have been killed. Rant over. Catfish i respect your views but they are just different than mine.

[Tombstone]

Ability, maybe, but intent? How does one determine that?

With 23 years in law enforcement, I can safely say that not everyone who robs a store with a gun has the intent to kill. :2

Thank you for your service.

[Catfish]

Thank you for your service.

:tpd: Quoted for truth.

[elderboy02]

Thank you for your service.

:tpd: Thank you Tom!

[357]

I echo the above, thanks Tom.


Catfish, I just remembered that the Michigan law I spoke of (stand your ground) was lifted almost word for word from a Florida law passed a year or two earlier. I think we should both double-check our state laws. Neither of us want to be unsure in a situation like that.

[Catfish]

I think we should both double-check our state laws. Neither of us want to be unsure in a situation like that.
Indeed. :tu

[floydpink]

Ability, maybe, but intent? How does one determine that?

With 23 years in law enforcement, I can safely say that not everyone who robs a store with a gun has the intent to kill. :2

Glad Tom said it. I'm also reluctant to risk my life to save a bank or store's cash register, and didn't become a freelance policeman when I got a license to carry a concealed weapon.

I like to think if I saw someone at risk of losing their life in the act of a felony, I would help, but until I am in such a high stress situation, it's easy to type away about what a hero I would be.

I have no doubt at all that if a bad guy entered my house, I would rack the Mossberg 500 at blast him to hell though.....:fu

I've gone through a lot of scenarios in my head and read books on self defense and am under the impression that situational awareness and avoidance come first.

Also, you're normally looking at a long and expensive trial if you are involved in a shooting, so I like to think I pick my fights carefully with the best chance to win.

Firing off a shot at a guy robbing a store might sound noble, but you better make damn sure you're a perfect shot.

Lately, I've been spending most of my forum time in a gun forum and some of the guys are pretty gung ho. One guy's signature line really sticks with me...

"It's better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".

Interesting.

[icehog3]

I just wanted to say that I am not making any judgements on any opinions in here, I believe that a suspect with a gun has the ability to kill and creates a "deadly force" situation by having the weapon. I was just pointing out that not everyone who commits a crime with a gun has an intent to kill, but they have certainly put themselves in a position to be justifiyably killed by creating the deadly force situation. The suspect's intent is no longer relevant when he points a gun at anyone....he has made his bed.

[Catfish]

I just wanted to say that I am not making any judgements on any opinions in here, I believe that a suspect with a gun has the ability to kill and creates a "deadly force" situation by having the weapon. I was just pointing out that not everyone who commits a crime with a gun has an intent to kill, but they have certainly put themselves in a position to be justifiyably killed by creating the deadly force situation. The suspect's intent is no longer relevant when he points a gun at anyone....he has made his bed.

This is a great example of the possible ramifications of pulling your weapon and / using it. There have been times I've been reading / researching case history, etc. and seriously contemplated not being armed for self defense in public. :bh

[Catfish]

.... that situational awareness and avoidance come first.

I give credit to Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch because I heard him say if first and soon thereafter read it in a book written by Massad Ayoob of the Lethal Force Institute :

The best fight is the one avoided.

[elderboy02]

I really like Masaad Ayoob
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[BC-Axeman]

If a person decides to threaten someone else's life then their own life is on the table. They have put their own life in as a stake in the gamble.
Now who is to say that if the perp had got the money and was leaving the scene when some innocent person happened to be in the way and got killed. If you had the chance to put the perp down and you didn't, wouldn't you feel bad?

[Catfish]

I read, watch and listen to all I can from:

Mass. Ayoob, Clint Smith, Tiger McKee, Tom Gresham, the fine people at Gunsite, Rob Pincus at Valhalla, etc.

[TheRealBonger]

My first gun ever, put on different grips. Gives my pinky a place to rest, and looks good. Added many since. :dance:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee34/therealbonger/MyPicture.jpg

[elderboy02]

My first gun ever, put on different grips. Gives my pinky a place to rest, adn looks good. Added many since. :dance:
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee34/therealbonger/MyPicture.jpg

I like it! :tu

[Tombstone]

If a person decides to threaten someone else's life then their own life is on the table. They have put their own life in as a stake in the gamble.
Now who is to say that if the perp had got the money and was leaving the scene when some innocent person happened to be in the way and got killed. If you had the chance to put the perp down and you didn't, wouldn't you feel bad?

:tpd::tu

[Tombstone]

I am thinking about getting some crimson trace lazers put on my S&W 642 j-Frame. Anyone have any experiance with them?

[elderboy02]

I am thinking about getting some crimson trace lazers put on my S&W 642 j-Frame. Anyone have any experiance with them?

I have them on my Glock 23 and love them.

[Tombstone]

I have them on my Glock 23 and love them.

Hmmmm...Should i put them on the J-frame or the S&W M&P .40?

[floydpink]

I am thinking about getting some crimson trace lazers put on my S&W 642 j-Frame. Anyone have any experiance with them?

put em on my 642 a month ago and couldn't imagine NOT having them due to the crappy sights on the 642.

Pay the extra 100 bucks for the newer version though, as the older ones don't conceal as well nor have as nice of a button on the grips.

[TheManWithNoName]

my next holster purchase will be a shoulder rig with a dual mag pouch on the opposite side. This is primarily for balancing the weight of the pistol but, the extra capacity doesn't hurt.

Cool, I was just looking at one like this on the Galco website, think they call it the "Miami Classic," looked nice. That brings up a good question:

What is everyone's preferred CC holster?

[Kneo]

I am so proud of myself, I just bought my first hand gun

It is just small Hi-Point 9mm but it's my first. Going to take my class soon for PTC.

[Tombstone]

I am so proud of myself, I just bought my first hand gun

It is just small Hi-Point 9mm but it's my first. Going to take my class soon for PTC.

Great decision to become a gun owner. Be safe.:tu

[Catfish]

What is everyone's preferred CC holster?
I use a SERPA from Blackhawk for all weapons. The double retention feature is very comforting.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=206&pictureid=1698

[Cigarcop]

Question for the AR guys???

What are your thoughts on the DPMS Mini SASS?

I maybe trading something for a slightly used one, it has a Rock River 2 stage Trigger, Magpul PRS Stock, Mark 4 6.5x20 Leupold, Badger Rings.

What do you guys think its worth in excellent condition?

Thanks

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Question for the AR guys???

What are your thoughts on the DPMS Mini SASS?

I maybe trading something for a slightly used one, it has a Rock River 2 stage Trigger, Magpul PRS Stock, Mark 4 6.5x20 Leupold, Badger Rings.

What do you guys think its worth in excellent condition?

Thanks



Without knowing anything about the rifle and just seeing it I would say it goes for around 2000 to 2500 maybe 3000 at the most with all the high end extras

[smokeyandthebandit05]

http://www.dpmsinc.com/@ssets/images/Press-Releases/DPMS_Mini%20SASS.pdf





Look at this

[pearson]

1600 for the rifle
scope is about 1400 with the rings.

it comes with a good trigger and the PRS so I would not take that in to account when thinking of price. but 2250 to 2750 MAX unless you are getting more then 2 mags.

ETA: just look out for UTG and CAA Items on there as they are low quality, and prone to failure.

[Cigarcop]

Well I decided to make the trade and got the new toy.

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9dd09b3127ccec6ed6f3c5a7200000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9dd09b3127ccec6ec4820bb9900000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[bonjing]

Cigarcop, nice looking rifle . now get yourself a ton of mags and ammo :D. oh and another ar ;)

[smokeyandthebandit05]

im sorry I need a new pair of pants now :jd

[Catfish]

Brownell's apparently got a huuuuuuuuge shipment of AR mags. May wanna check that out.

[elderboy02]

Brownell's apparently got a huuuuuuuuge shipment of AR mags. May wanna check that out.

Remember, if you have a C&R license, send it to Brownells and Midway USA. You then can get a discount.

[Junior]

Remember, if you have a C&R license, send it to Brownells and Midway USA. You then can get a discount.

My C&R has paid for it's self many times over. You also get a discount at Midway USA as well.

[Mark C]

Picture time!
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs010.snc1/2628_671943138463_6205133_41487618_4622601_n.jpg

Both Sig P6s, one on the left is a '79, one on the right is '98. Love 'em both, but they definitely have a different 'feel'. Gonna sell one for a 22lr revolver, leaning towards a Single Six.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Picture time!
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs010.snc1/2628_671943138463_6205133_41487618_4622601_n.jpg

Both Sig P6s, one on the left is a '79, one on the right is '98. Love 'em both, but they definitely have a different 'feel'. Gonna sell one for a 22lr revolver, leaning towards a Single Six.

Im jealous! I would like to get a hand gun sometime soon but have no clue what to get. Any way nice hang guns :dr

[stitch]

Ok, I'll join in on this one!
Hand guns,
Daily Carry, Springfield Lightweight Compact 1911 .45ACP
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4408/carryg.jpg

Pocket Rocket, Colt Mustang Plus II .380 ACP
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4699/pocketi.jpg

Mountain Gun, S&W Mod. 57 .41 Mag
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/938/m57v.jpg

S&W Mod. 19 .357 ...Just cause' I like it
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7198/m19r.jpg

Cowpokin gun, Ruger Vaquero SA 45 Long Colt.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7/cowpokin.jpg

[elderboy02]

Nice guns Stitch! :tu

[Cigarcop]

My Baby....Blaser R93 LRS2 in .338 Lapua


http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9da23b3127ccec691b5449b1100000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[Tombstone]

Cowpokin gun, Ruger Vaquero SA 45 Long Colt.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7/cowpokin.jpg

Where did you get your belt and holster for your cowpokin gun (very nice:tu)? Thanks

[Cigarcop]

My Baby....Blaser R93 LRS2 in .338 Lapua



Better picture

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9da23b3127ccec691c82f5aec00000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

[stitch]

Where did you get your belt and holster for your cowpokin gun (very nice:tu)? Thanks
I made it, And the others as well, Thats what I've done for a living for the past 25 years.
http://www.mountainhomeleather.com
That particular rig is 10 years old and still going strong

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Stitch do u by any chance make scabbards for lever action rifles?

[stitch]

Stitch do u by any chance make scabbards for lever action rifles?
Yes I do, ...The area of my web site where Scabbards and saddle bags reside is being redone ... Hope to have it fixed soon.

[cigars_n_scotch]

nice rifle cigarcop! I'd love to shoot something like that someday...

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Yes I do, ...The area of my web site where Scabbards and saddle bags reside is being redone ... Hope to have it fixed soon.



When it gets back up I may be interested:tu

[Roland of Gilead]

Better picture

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9da23b3127ccec691c82f5aec00000040O00AcNGLNu0bNW IPbz4U/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/

We have a winner!

That is one sweet rig!



-Mark.

[mikeyj23]

Bought my first gun tonight - a home defense gun. Getting married made me feel even more responsible for my "family's" (wife's) safety, and seeing news about apartment breakins, rapes and murders didn't make me any more comfortable. My wife is very petite, so I wanted something that she A) could handle, and B) could shoot and stop with the first shot. We settled on a Remington 870 Express compact with a 21" barrel and 12" length of pull - only 6 lbs and manageable with her short arms. We'll take it out to a range this Saturday so she can get used to it. :wo for me.

[stitch]

Caint never go wrong with a scatter gun ! :tu

[croatan]

Bought my first gun tonight - a home defense gun. Getting married made me feel even more responsible for my "family's" (wife's) safety, and seeing news about apartment breakins, rapes and murders didn't make me any more comfortable. My wife is very petite, so I wanted something that she A) could handle, and B) could shoot and stop with the first shot. We settled on a Remington 870 Express compact with a 21" barrel and 12" length of pull - only 6 lbs and manageable with her short arms. We'll take it out to a range this Saturday so she can get used to it. :wo for me.

That sounds familiar ;)

Nice choice, Mikey :)

[pearson]

enjoy and stay safe

[elderboy02]

Nice pickup Mikey! :tu

[bonjing]

hey Mikey, don't forget the low recoil rounds.

[mikeyj23]

I picked up some 7 1/2 heavy doveshot, but I think I might change that up for home use. Low recoil would certainly be a plus, but I don't want to sacrifice any stopping power - suggestions? Also since it's an apartment, I don't want something that might go through five walls.

[Catfish]

My wife is very petite, so I wanted something that she A) could handle, and B) could shoot and stop with the first shot.

May I also suggest a collapsible stock as an immediate option for different sized people to comfortably and safely operate a shotgun?

Things to consider down the road for a home defense shotgun:

Accessory rail to hold a light.
high intensity light. The Surefire L4 immediately comes to mind.
Ghost Ring sights.
Receiver mounted shell carrier
Breacher barrel
With a 21" barrel, I'd highly suggest a high capacity tube extension. You could probably extend the shot capacity to 8.

If you want, I'd be more than happy to send you links for any of these.

I wish you the best of luck doing any sort of instruction with your wife. Most instructors recommend against spouses instructing each other. But, you 2 may be an exeception! The most important thing is to HAVE FUN! :tu

[Catfish]

I picked up some 7 1/2 heavy doveshot, but I think I might change that up for home use. Low recoil would certainly be a plus, but I don't want to sacrifice any stopping power - suggestions? Also since it's an apartment, I don't want something that might go through five walls.

Check out #4 Buck. :tu

[mikeyj23]

May I also suggest a collapsible stock as an immediate option for different sized people to comfortably and safely operate a shotgun?

Things to consider down the road for a home defense shotgun:

Accessory rail to hold a light.
high intensity light. The Surefire L4 immediately comes to mind.
Ghost Ring sights.
Receiver mounted shell carrier
Breacher barrel
With a 21" barrel, I'd highly suggest a high capacity tube extension. You could probably extend the shot capacity to 8.

If you want, I'd be more than happy to send you links for any of these.

I wish you the best of luck doing any sort of instruction with your wife. Most instructors recommend against spouses instructing each other. But, you 2 may be an exeception! The most important thing is to HAVE FUN! :tu

Thanks for all the great advice - I think the collapsible stock is a great idea. The L4 would be great, but it's sure hard for me to justify putting a $175 light on a $270 gun. The tube extension is another definite; as it is I can have one loaded and four in the magazine (2 3/4", not 3"), but 8 would be great.

[elderboy02]

I would definitely get the tube extension and light :tu

[Tombstone]

I am seriously considering purchasing a Glock G27. Does anyone have any recommendations for a quality concealed carry holster? Thanks

[-MG-]

I am seriously considering purchasing a Glock G27. Does anyone have any recommendations for a quality concealed carry holster? Thanks


I've carried my G27 almost daily for the last 3 years in 'The Answer (http://rlcompanyusa.stores.yahoo.net/answeriwbs.html)' from Tucker Gunleather using the velcrow clips, and couldn't be happier. Even taking 7hr drives to see the inlaws, it stays perfectly comfortable.

[floydpink]

Thanks for all the great advice - I think the collapsible stock is a great idea. The L4 would be great, but it's sure hard for me to justify putting a $175 light on a $270 gun. The tube extension is another definite; as it is I can have one loaded and four in the magazine (2 3/4", not 3"), but 8 would be great.


That's exactly how I felt putting the Crimson Trace 405 grips on my 38 special, but now would get rid of the gun before I got rid of the laser grips. They cost me $300 and the J frame snubbie was not much more.

I thought about putting a light on my Mossberg 500, but figure it will broadcast where I am at in the unfortunate event it comes off the rack in the middle of the night, overriding the benefit of target ID.

[Catfish]

If you're wantig to stay more budget, I highly recommend the light I personally carry, the Surefire G2 LED. You can get the from the gunshows for $45.

I only mentioned the L4 because I personally want one.

[Catfish]

I am seriously considering purchasing a Glock G27. Does anyone have any recommendations for a quality concealed carry holster? Thanks

I personally use Thunderwear for when I wear soft clothes ( jogging pants ) and SERPA for anything with a belt.

[stitch]

I am seriously considering purchasing a Glock G27. Does anyone have any recommendations for a quality concealed carry holster? Thanks
Uhhmmm you could check out my site :rolleyes:
http://www.mountainhomeleather.com
I also do a snap on model which isn't on the site yet

[Tombstone]

I personally use Thunderwear for when I wear soft clothes ( jogging pants ) and SERPA for anything with a belt.

The serpa....do you have a problem consealing the firearm with this style of holster? Any close calls? Thanks

[bobarian]

In the last month I picked my first guns in over 25 years. AR-15, 16" barrel, A-4 lightweight build. And a Ruger 10/22 as I need something I can actually shoot while I search endlessly for .223 ammo at a decent price. :r

[BC-Axeman]

Speaking of ammo at decent prices, where is a good source of bulk components? I mean, where does anybody have stock? "Out of Stock, Backorder OK?" Sheez!

[Catfish]

The serpa....do you have a problem consealing the firearm with this style of holster? Any close calls? Thanks

I'm 6'2" @ 300lbs. I can conceal an Abrahms tank. When used with belt securement, it does tend to stick out a little more laterally from the body than an IWB holster. I counter that by wearing a photographer's vest. There is no threat of printing with that. It's when I wear my rayon summer shirts that are just like silk I have to be very cognizant of printing. In many cases, I will go to the Thunderwear when that could be an issue.

[AriesOpusX]

Thanks for all the great advice - I think the collapsible stock is a great idea. The L4 would be great, but it's sure hard for me to justify putting a $175 light on a $270 gun. The tube extension is another definite; as it is I can have one loaded and four in the magazine (2 3/4", not 3"), but 8 would be great.


Go to walmart and get a mini maglite or any bright LED flashlight, strap it/duct tape it to the gun and be done with it for about $20. All you need is something to see with and you can easily flip a switch or push a button as you grab the gun to turn the light on, I don't know why they sell $300 flashlights to anyone besides members of SWAT.

Tube extention is great for the range definitely but in my house if I need more than 5 slugs I'd better call for backup. ;)

[BamBam]

I am considering buying a KelTec 9mm pistol to carry concealed.

http://www.keltecpistols.com/item/4989_Kel-Tec_Hand_Guns_Pistols_KELTEC_P11_9MM_3_10RD_BLU.as px

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with this gun?

[icehog3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Gotta love Ted. :)

[elderboy02]

The serpa....do you have a problem consealing the firearm with this style of holster? Any close calls? Thanks

I have one and it sticks out a little. I don't care if someone sees my gun. Open carry is legal here as well. Even if you open carried, most people aren't looking for a gun anyway. :2 Your mileage may vary

[elderboy02]

I am considering buying a KelTec 9mm pistol to carry concealed.

http://www.keltecpistols.com/item/4989_Kel-Tec_Hand_Guns_Pistols_KELTEC_P11_9MM_3_10RD_BLU.as px

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with this gun?

I had one and I didn't like it. I sold it to my brother. I had problems with it chambering a round. I sent it back to Kel-Tec where they did the "fluff and buff" treatment to it. It still didn't solve the problem.

I have a S&W 442 J-Frame revolver (same as the 642, just a different color) and I love it. Revolvers go bang pretty much every time.

[BamBam]

I had one and I didn't like it. I sold it to my brother. I had problems with it chambering a round. I sent it back to Kel-Tec where they did the "fluff and buff" treatment to it. It still didn't solve the problem.

I have a S&W 442 J-Frame revolver (same as the 642, just a different color) and I love it. Revolvers go bang pretty much every time.

Yeah I got a S&W .38 cal 637 Airweight that I carry in a leg holster for that very reason (goin' bang everytime). I also have a Glock 27 I carry in a belt holster when I'm gonna somewhere a lil more "shady".

I just want a semi-auto that's a lil more compact than a Glock 27. Easier to pocket carry. The one I'm gonna buy is used, but it is from a buddy. It is the Kel Tec 9mm P11 model.

[elderboy02]

Yeah I got a S&W .38 cal 637 Airweight that I carry in a leg holster for that very reason (goin' bang everytime). I also have a Glock 27 I carry in a belt holster when I'm gonna somewhere a lil more "shady".

I just want a semi-auto that's a lil more compact than a Glock 27. Easier to pocket carry. The one I'm gonna buy is used, but it is from a buddy. It is the Kel Tec 9mm P11 model.

Yeah, I had the P11. I would carefully inspect it before you buy it. Just make sure it can chamber rounds flawlessly. If that is fine, buy it :tu

[BamBam]

Yeah, I had the P11. I would carefully inspect it before you buy it. Just make sure it can chamber rounds flawlessly. If that is fine, buy it :tu

Thanks Dan :tu

[floydpink]

I am considering buying a KelTec 9mm pistol to carry concealed.

http://www.keltecpistols.com/item/4989_Kel-Tec_Hand_Guns_Pistols_KELTEC_P11_9MM_3_10RD_BLU.as px

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with this gun?

Bambam, trust me, DO NOT BUY A KEL TEC P11

I had one and they are notorious for needing lots of work before they are trustworthy.

They are indeed the lightest 9mm made and have a loyal following, but are notorious for misfeeds and failure to feeds and need to have the feedramp polished and lots of other gunsmithing done.

I put 300 rounds through mine and traded it in and wouldn't use another for much more than a paperweight and certainly wouldn't trust that thing with my life.

The single stack P3AT, I think it's called, is supposedly better, but when you pull the 9 pound painful trigger on a Kel Tec, it sounds like a Coke can opening. They trigger shoe helps a little, and the magazine extender lets you get more than 2 fingers on the grips, but the feedramp on Kel Tecs is famous for being horrible.

I gave mine lots of chances, dremelled the feedramp, polished it, and did the "fluff and buff" to the note, and still had at least one misfeed every 10 rounds, even with Federal rounds.

[Tombstone]

Yeah I got a S&W .38 cal 637 Airweight that I carry in a leg holster for that very reason (goin' bang everytime). I also have a Glock 27 I carry in a belt holster when I'm gonna somewhere a lil more "shady".

I just want a semi-auto that's a lil more compact than a Glock 27. Easier to pocket carry. The one I'm gonna buy is used, but it is from a buddy. It is the Kel Tec 9mm P11 model.

BamBam what type of holster do you have for your 642? Thanks

[Tombstone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Gotta love Ted. :)

:tpd: Perfect:tu

[TheRiddick]

What's a good price for AK-47 and what is the preferred place of manufacture?

[TheRiddick]

Anyone know anything about this? Just got an email from a friend and not dure how real this is:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45.IH:

Sounds pretty bad if it passes.

[BamBam]

BamBam what type of holster do you have for your 642? Thanks

My ankle holster is a DeSantis and my belt holster is from this company called http://www.shado.com/

I really like Desantis and wish I would have went with them on the belt holster. The one I have from Shado has no retention screw so it makes me nervous. Nice lether holster and it holds it securely and all, I just like the security I feel with a retention screw. Was just trying to save a few bucks. :rolleyes:

If you ask me Desantis is the way to go. :tu

[stitch]

Anyone know anything about this? Just got an email from a friend and not dure how real this is:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45.IH:

Sounds pretty bad if it passes.
This bill has been introduced into the house every year since the early 90's
It never gets any co-sponsors ( like it has none now ) and never even gets heard in commite ... lets hope it stays that way.

[white_s2k]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Gotta love Ted. :)

"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders."

Ted rocks :tu

[Tombstone]

While carrying my S&W J-frame 642 i constantly worry about the firearm falling out of my IWB holster. Does anyone else have this issue?

[Junior]

Thanks for all the great advice - I think the collapsible stock is a great idea. The L4 would be great, but it's sure hard for me to justify putting a $175 light on a $270 gun. The tube extension is another definite; as it is I can have one loaded and four in the magazine (2 3/4", not 3"), but 8 would be great.

Put a surefire G2 on it. That is what I have on mine. As far as ammo. I would suggest the Remington 00 Buck Low Recoil. I would put a side saddle on it asap or at least get one of those that slide on the stock to hold extra rounds.

Ok, I'll join in on this one!
Hand guns,
Daily Carry, Springfield Lightweight Compact 1911 .45ACP
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4408/carryg.jpg

Cowpokin gun, Ruger Vaquero SA 45 Long Colt.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7/cowpokin.jpg

Nice Springfield I have one that I carry almost everyday in the winter.

I also have a pair of Stainless 357 Vaqueros. They are great, and easy to slick up work on. Is it a new or old model?

I am considering buying a KelTec 9mm pistol to carry concealed.

http://www.keltecpistols.com/item/4989_Kel-Tec_Hand_Guns_Pistols_KELTEC_P11_9MM_3_10RD_BLU.as px

Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with this gun?

Stay away far away. My little brother had one and it was a jamamatic. I wouldn't trust my life with it. I would suggest a 5 shot 38 Revolver.

[elderboy02]

While carrying my S&W J-frame 642 i constantly worry about the firearm falling out of my IWB holster. Does anyone else have this issue?

I carry mine in a Desantis Nemesis pocket holster. I have a Don Hume IWB holster for my 442, but I don't carry it IWB often, b/c it is so easy to slip in my pocket.

[357]

What's a good price for AK-47 and what is the preferred place of manufacture?

If I remember right, the WASRs are made in the US and can be bought new. I may be mistaken as the AK isn't my field of expertise.

[357]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Gotta love Ted.


"I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders."

Ted rocks :tu

Ted Nugent has done more to support the 2nd Amendment than most will ever know. I don't always agree 100% with his political platforms, but probably 98%. I used to frequent his web forum. He posts there frequently. He was even kicking around the idea of running for governor in Michigan, even though he's been living in Texas for a few years. He'd have my vote. Just about anyone would be better than the Canadian "beauty queen" we have now.

[floydpink]

While carrying my S&W J-frame 642 i constantly worry about the firearm falling out of my IWB holster. Does anyone else have this issue?

I had a Desantis Nemesis also but recently switched to a Mika Holster which is perfect.

[floydpink]

Put a surefire G2 on it. That is what I have on mine. As far as ammo. I would suggest the Remington 00 Buck Low Recoil. I would put a side saddle on it asap or at least get one of those that slide on the stock to hold extra rounds.



Nice Springfield I have one that I carry almost everyday in the winter.

I also have a pair of Stainless 357 Vaqueros. They are great, and easy to slick up work on. Is it a new or old model?



Stay away far away. My little brother had one and it was a jamamatic. I wouldn't trust my life with it. I would suggest a 5 shot 38 Revolver.


Perfect advice there and what I should have done in the first place like my brother suggested, who is a cop.

A smith 642 snubbie is nearly as light as the Kel Tec anyway and has a way nice trigger, and I am not aware of a more carried ccw by people who can carry anything and want something light and reliable.
Again, I gave the Kel Tec every opportunity to come around but it never failed to keep on failing.

[Stig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo

Gotta love Ted. :)

I think Ted is too reserved, he needs to speak out more and say what is really on his mind.

[Junior]

Here is my Cimarron 1866 38spl. It has been slicked up, and a short stroke kit put in it. It is smoth as silk, and faster than me. It lookes no where near that good now with all the black powder shot out of it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/1866.jpg

I will have to get some pics of my original Winchester 1897 take down shotgun blowing some black powder smoke.

[elderboy02]

Here is my Cimarron 1866 38spl. It has been slicked up, and a short stroke kit put in it. It is smoth as silk, and faster than me. It lookes no where near that good now with all the black powder shot out of it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/1866.jpg

I will have to get some pics of my original Winchester 1897 take down shotgun blowing some black powder smoke.

Very nice! :tu

[JE3146]

I was notified today by one of my groomsmen that my wedding gift was a little earlier than expected. Due to the gun rush, he bought it when he saw it and had to ruin the surprise, because he needed me to go do the background check.

So..... I found out what's coming. It's small, it's black and it makes a lot of noise. :r

I'll post pics next week when it arrives in the shop. I'm a little anxious. :dr

[WildBlueSooner]

I was notified today by one of my groomsmen that my wedding gift was a little earlier than expected. Due to the gun rush, he bought it when he saw it and had to ruin the surprise, because he needed me to go do the background check.

So..... I found out what's coming. It's small, it's black and it makes a lot of noise. :r

I'll post pics next week when it arrives in the shop. I'm a little anxious. :dr

wow that is a killer gift!

[Cigarcop]

I was notified today by one of my groomsmen that my wedding gift was a little earlier than expected. Due to the gun rush, he bought it when he saw it and had to ruin the surprise, because he needed me to go do the background check.

So..... I found out what's coming. It's small, it's black and it makes a lot of noise. :r

I'll post pics next week when it arrives in the shop. I'm a little anxious. :dr

Although I prefer my noise makers a bit longer!!! its sounds like you picked the right guy to be in the wedding :tu

[icehog3]

wow that is a killer gift!

Let's hope not. ;) :r

[elderboy02]

I was notified today by one of my groomsmen that my wedding gift was a little earlier than expected. Due to the gun rush, he bought it when he saw it and had to ruin the surprise, because he needed me to go do the background check.

So..... I found out what's coming. It's small, it's black and it makes a lot of noise. :r

I'll post pics next week when it arrives in the shop. I'm a little anxious. :dr

Very nice! :tu

My guess is that it will be a S&W 442 J-Frame ;)

[floydpink]

Very nice! :tu

My guess is that it will be a S&W 442 J-Frame ;)

Nice! Can't go wrong with one of those.

[JE3146]

Very nice! :tu

My guess is that it will be a S&W 442 J-Frame ;)

Not quite :)

[Stig]

So where do I pick up one of these?

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0&feature=related

[Catfish]

So where do I pick up one of these?

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0&feature=related

Linky no worky :bh

[Stig]

Try it now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0

[replicant_argent]

I'm doing some shopping now and need something a tich smaller (for "standard" reasons) than the G17, anyone have a PPS or XD40 or 45 compact? PM if you prefer.

[Stig]

I'm doing some shopping now and need something a tich smaller (for "standard" reasons) than the G17, anyone have a PPS or XD40 or 45 compact? PM if you prefer.

I tried the Kimber 1911 45 with the 4" barrel last week and it was nice and conceilable.

[replicant_argent]

and about another $400. ;)
Kimbers are nice, I like to look at them, my wallet cringes.

[Stig]

Mine cringes too but I think that I may have to suck it up eventualy and get one.

[Catfish]

A Kimber Tac Pro II is in my near future.

[Junior]

I'm doing some shopping now and need something a tich smaller (for "standard" reasons) than the G17, anyone have a PPS or XD40 or 45 compact? PM if you prefer.

I would stay away from the PPS. I have heard that they have a tendency to jam, and they have a recall on them right now. I have one or the XD40 subcompacts that my wife carries, and she loves it.

[floydpink]

I'm a revolver fan, but am really looking at the Bersa Thunder for a BUG. That thing is nice and small.

If I could have anything, it would be a Seacamp, but have no idea how to find one and a SIG P239
wouldn't be a bad option either. Aside from those, semi autos for ccw don't interest me much.

[random0813]

I want the xd40 sooo badly. A few friends have it in various calibers and I can just shoot it all day without my grin going away. Found a sweet deal on it, $459.00/new, which is about a hundred less than I can find it anywhere else. So now I either have to figure out how to get my anti-gun wife to see how essential it is, or live vicariously through any of you that score this deal...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=30988

[Mark C]

Bud's is a good place to shop. I bought a Sig P6 from them some time last year, great customer service.

Incidentally, that same P6 will likely be for sale in the near future in case anyone's interested. Just bought myself a Ruger Single Six, gotta pay for it somehow!

[JE3146]

I want the xd40 sooo badly. A few friends have it in various calibers and I can just shoot it all day without my grin going away. Found a sweet deal on it, $459.00/new, which is about a hundred less than I can find it anywhere else. So now I either have to figure out how to get my anti-gun wife to see how essential it is, or live vicariously through any of you that score this deal...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=30988

Take her shooting.... bribe her with a shopping spree.

Do something to get one in her hands and odds are she'd change her tune. Start her out with a .22LR.


Just be careful because if you progress the disease too far, she'll start begging for her own guns.... then things get costly :r

[Catfish]

Take her shooting.... Start her out with a .22LR.


Quoted for truth. :tu :ss

[cle_smoker]

We went on a trip to my parents' house last week and my wife wanted to try out shooting a gun. She had never shot a gun before and was a little intimidated but eager. She shot a .22 rifle and thought it was fun, pretty decent shot as well. My dad got his 16 gauge pump down and she tried that out. She dropped it when it went off but I caught it before it hit the ground. The next thing I know, her eyes are huge and says "I want to do that again!!!" Needless to say, I am now looking around for a nice rifle and/or shotgun that we can take to the shooting range.

[Catfish]

We went on a trip to my parents' house last week and my wife wanted to try out shooting a gun. She had never shot a gun before and was a little intimidated but eager. She shot a .22 rifle and thought it was fun, pretty decent shot as well. My dad got his 16 gauge pump down and she tried that out. She dropped it when it went off but I caught it before it hit the ground. The next thing I know, her eyes are huge and says "I want to do that again!!!" Needless to say, I am now looking around for a nice rifle and/or shotgun that we can take to the shooting range.


NICE!! Congrats, Sir! Sign her up in the NRA! :tu

[cle_smoker]

NICE!! Congrats, Sir! Sign her up in the NRA! :tu

Funny you should say that. Our political views don't quite line up with one another, and I have told her she can't be a bleeding heart that loves guns. :D

[gpugliese]

I'm doing some shopping now and need something a tich smaller (for "standard" reasons) than the G17, anyone have a PPS or XD40 or 45 compact? PM if you prefer.

What's wrong with a G19 or G26?

[JE3146]

What's wrong with a G19 or G26?

I agree... The G19 is THE standard for ANY handgun I pickup.

I compare any and all to it quite frequently.

[Catfish]

... I have told her she can't be a bleeding heart that loves guns. :D
Sure she can. Absolutely. Don't think for a second you can't hug trees and support the 2nd ammendment. Matter of fact, there are quite a few dems. in the legislature that are some of the strongest allies of the NRA.

[elderboy02]

Sure she can. Absolutely. Don't think for a second you can't hug trees and support the 2nd ammendment. Matter of fact, there are quite a few dems. in the legislature that are some of the strongest allies of the NRA.

+1. The governor of Ohio is a Dem, and he is pro gun. In fact, Gov. Strickland spoke at the Ohioans for Concealed Carry annual party in the park.

[cle_smoker]

I know that she can, but it has been a nice little running joke between the two of us since we got back.

[floydpink]

Bud's is a good place to shop. I bought a Sig P6 from them some time last year, great customer service.

Incidentally, that same P6 will likely be for sale in the near future in case anyone's interested. Just bought myself a Ruger Single Six, gotta pay for it somehow!

I'd definitely be interested, depending on price. This is one of the Sigs I have been considering and they seem to be pretty affordable, for a Sig..

[replicant_argent]

ugh......



I checked 4 places today. I need a couple boxes of plinking ammo in 9mm.

Shelves are so bare, they have dust on them.


I am seriously annoyed.

[Junior]

ugh......



I checked 4 places today. I need a couple boxes of plinking ammo in 9mm.

Shelves are so bare, they have dust on them.


I am seriously annoyed.

Ammo has gone crazy expensive and rare after the election. I was buying boxes of 5.56 for around $6 a box. I saw them in cheat as dirt and they were $13.

I'd definitely be interested, depending on price. This is one of the Sigs I have been considering and they seem to be pretty affordable, for a Sig..

Check out CDNN as well as Buds.

[Sauer Grapes]

I'll try and keep this unpolitical.

Here is a list of advertisers from ABC's 20/20 Gun Special Bias.

Let these companies know you vote with your dollars. Also let ABC know you are contacting their advertisers.

Here are the advertisers for the my area at least, but the national companies are probably the same for other areas.

First break:
Dannon (DanActive)
Kohl's
Dove
Fidelity
Cialis Lilly Pharm.(might be hard for some of you to boycott this one) :-P
Universal Studios (The Soloist)
Verizon Wireless
ABC Network Commercial for Extreme Makeover Home Edition.

2nd Commercial Break:
Abilify Anti-Depressant (great commercial for an anti-gun show huh?)
PetSmart
Apple iPhone
NicoDerm CQ
New Line Cinema (ghosts of girlfriends past)
Re/Max
Bali Bras and Panties
ABC Good Morning America
ABC Castle

Third Break:
Sprint
Reclast (Osteoporosis Medicine)
H&R Block
ABC The Unusuals
Local News Commercial
Ameritel (Local Business) 301-251-0222 ;-)
Smart Balance
Melwood www.melwood.org


Fourth Break (oh why don't they do something about all the assault weapons and M16 look alikes?):
Verizon Wireless (again)
Travelers Insurance
Transitions Lenses
ABC Good Morning America
ABC Dancing with the Stars
Nature's Promise (Giant Grocery Stores) www.giantfood.com
NTB National Tire and Battery (and Merchant's)
Colonial Williamsburg, VA www.visitwilliamsburg.com

Probably the last break:
Local News
Missed one
Kohls
Dove
Universal Studios (State of Play)

Directly after the show:
Papa Johns

[JE3146]

Gun Special Bias??? What are you talking about?

[Sauer Grapes]

Gun Special Bias??? What are you talking about?

No smily... but I think that is sarcasm?

Anyway, if not, ABC has an anti gun special on tonight.

[Junior]

Have you seen where the adminstration has done away with selling fired brass to anyone who will not shred it to where it can not be reloaded. Thanks Obama thats what we needed another reason for ammo companies to shut down, and drive up prices again.

[Catfish]

Have you seen where the adminstration has done away with selling fired brass to anyone who will not shred it to where it can not be reloaded. Thanks Obama thats what we needed another reason for ammo companies to shut down, and drive up prices again.


Junior, that was shut down less than 48hrs. after it was mandated by the DoD. Thanks to active supporters on the 2nd ammendment, congress-critters across the country were inundated with emails, phone calls and letters demanding an answer to the DoD deciding it didn't need the revenue from proceeds of sales of usable brass to ammunition makers across the country in lieu of the massively reduced proceeds that would come as a result of selling mutilated brass to China.

Using this as a prime example, I highly encourage any of you NOT currently involved in the effort to watchdog the govt. in their DAILY efforts to reduce our constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms to get involved NOW.

PM me PLEASE and I will be MORE than happy to send you links to organizations that are on OUR SIDE but NEED YOUR HELP.

[JE3146]

No smily... but I think that is sarcasm?

Anyway, if not, ABC has an anti gun special on tonight.

I don't watch much TV other than 24, Lost, and The Office... so no.. I was being serious...

Were they commenting ON the anti-gun bias? or was it a show WITH anti-gun bias?

[Sauer Grapes]

I don't watch much TV other than 24, Lost, and The Office... so no.. I was being serious...

Were they commenting ON the anti-gun bias? or was it a show WITH anti-gun bias?

With. to the extreme.

[AAlmeter]

Didn't see the anti-gun special myself, but apparantly it was so compelling that my friend's girlfriend (who has never fired a shot in her life) went out and joined the NRA. :tu

[Catfish]

Didn't see the anti-gun special myself, but apparantly it was so compelling that my friend's girlfriend (who has never fired a shot in her life) went out and joined the NRA. :tu


It warms me to the core to read that. :tu

[elderboy02]

Junior, that was shut down less than 48hrs. after it was mandated by the DoD. Thanks to active supporters on the 2nd ammendment, congress-critters across the country were inundated with emails, phone calls and letters demanding an answer to the DoD deciding it didn't need the revenue from proceeds of sales of usable brass to ammunition makers across the country in lieu of the massively reduced proceeds that would come as a result of selling mutilated brass to China.

Using this as a prime example, I highly encourage any of you NOT currently involved in the effort to watchdog the govt. in their DAILY efforts to reduce our constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms to get involved NOW.

PM me PLEASE and I will be MORE than happy to send you links to organizations that are on OUR SIDE but NEED YOUR HELP.

A bunch of us on AR15.com helped shut that down as well as other 2nd amendment supporters. I thought it was amazing that they actually listened to us :)

[elderboy02]

Didn't see the anti-gun special myself, but apparantly it was so compelling that my friend's girlfriend (who has never fired a shot in her life) went out and joined the NRA. :tu

Very nice! :wo :dance: :D

[Catfish]

A bunch of us on AR15.com helped shut that down as well as other 2nd amendment supporters.


You and the (for the most part) fine people that frequent AR15.com are fine Americans, sir. :usa:wnr:dance::ss:wo

[elderboy02]

You and the (for the most part) fine people that frequent AR15.com are fine Americans, sir. :usa:wnr:dance::ss

Thanks for all that you do as well! :tu

[JE3146]

You and the (for the most part) fine people that frequent AR15.com are fine Americans, sir. :usa:wnr:dance::ss:

I think that was still pretty generous :r

[Catfish]

That Sir, Is about the extent of my political correctness. :ss:fu:tu

[Stig]

Try it now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0

till want to know where I can get one of these

[Junior]

Junior, that was shut down less than 48hrs. after it was mandated by the DoD. Thanks to active supporters on the 2nd ammendment, congress-critters across the country were inundated with emails, phone calls and letters demanding an answer to the DoD deciding it didn't need the revenue from proceeds of sales of usable brass to ammunition makers across the country in lieu of the massively reduced proceeds that would come as a result of selling mutilated brass to China.

Using this as a prime example, I highly encourage any of you NOT currently involved in the effort to watchdog the govt. in their DAILY efforts to reduce our constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms to get involved NOW.

PM me PLEASE and I will be MORE than happy to send you links to organizations that are on OUR SIDE but NEED YOUR HELP.

Thanks Catfish I hadn't heard that it was shut down. I guess I need to keep up with these things a little better. I am sure they will figure out another way to screw us on the ammo.

[Junior]

This (http://thelineishere.org/?p=202) is worth a read it you have a chance.

[JE3146]

Finally got off my butt and modified my KAC M5 RAS to fit over my dissipator's carbine gas block.... Only took me 2 years... :r

Little dremel action :D

I shot some pics, but they suck... need more light :(

So I'll just be a tease instead :D

[AAlmeter]

So I bought another gun...


Craigslist ad...Mossberg 5500 12 ga, very cheap, hardly used. I know they are sketchy, but I put 25 through it as soon as I got it and it performed great.

Was wondering if anyone had the link that was up on CS to the site that had pdf's of many manuals....

[elderboy02]

So I bought another gun...


Craigslist ad...Mossberg 5500 12 ga, very cheap, hardly used. I know they are sketchy, but I put 25 through it as soon as I got it and it performed great.

Was wondering if anyone had the link that was up on CS to the site that had pdf's of many manuals....

Nice pickup! :tu

[AAlmeter]

Nice pickup! :tu

Thanks...another couple weeks and the AR should be ready to go :tu

[Junior]

So I bought another gun...


Craigslist ad...Mossberg 5500 12 ga, very cheap, hardly used. I know they are sketchy, but I put 25 through it as soon as I got it and it performed great.

Was wondering if anyone had the link that was up on CS to the site that had pdf's of many manuals....

I am a Mossberg fan. I have had quite a few over the years. I have a 590 in the house right now just in case.

[AAlmeter]

I am a Mossberg fan. I have had quite a few over the years. I have a 590 in the house right now just in case.

I've been a Rem fan. I know that between Mos and Rem (at least with shotguns) you are getting a quality firearm for a reasonable price, but I've been partial to Rems (I have a 500 20ga and a 870 12ga). But after reading the less than favorable reviews of the 5500, and then shooting it after paying next to nothing, I am very pleased.

My just in case is an 870 12ga, with a 18in iron sight smooth bore. In my opinion, one of the best shotgun configurations out there. Cheap slugs good to 80 yards for hunting, good bbl for 00 buck, and I can switch to the field bbl for upland/trap.

[cigars_n_scotch]

I just saw this on CNBC: titled "Assault Weapons 'Nuts' for Ordinary Citizens http://www.cnbc.com/id/30266124

What a quote from Ed Rendell, Gov. of Pennsylvania :: "Assault weapons are difficult to operate, they jam easily. If you want a gun to protect your home it's the last thing you should have".. :mad:

[Tombstone]

I just saw this on CNBC: titled "Assault Weapons 'Nuts' for Ordinary Citizens http://www.cnbc.com/id/30266124

What a quote from Ed Rendell, Gov. of Pennsylvania :: "Assault weapons are difficult to operate, they jam easily. If you want a gun to protect your home it's the last thing you should have".. :mad:

Nothing like a democrat giving gun advise. :r

[BC-Axeman]

A crowbar could be an "assault weapon".
Even a ball point pen could be one.

[Sauer Grapes]

Finally found ammo at Walmart! I can go to the range without using my last box now. :D

They had PLENTY of 9mm for only like $8.50 per box of 50. Almost made me with I had a 9mm to buy ammo for.

[floydpink]

Finally found ammo at Walmart! I can go to the range without using my last box now. :D

They had PLENTY of 9mm for only like $8.50 per box of 50. Almost made me with I had a 9mm to buy ammo for.


My range actually had Speer Gold Dot short barrel ammo for my 38 the other day as well as wad cutters for target. First time in a LONG time.

Maybe the post election panic has ended and the market is about to be flooded with cheap ammo and hardly used handguns......:dance:

[Junior]

I've been a Rem fan. I know that between Mos and Rem (at least with shotguns) you are getting a quality firearm for a reasonable price, but I've been partial to Rems (I have a 500 20ga and a 870 12ga). But after reading the less than favorable reviews of the 5500, and then shooting it after paying next to nothing, I am very pleased.

My just in case is an 870 12ga, with a 18in iron sight smooth bore. In my opinion, one of the best shotgun configurations out there. Cheap slugs good to 80 yards for hunting, good bbl for 00 buck, and I can switch to the field bbl for upland/trap.

Well I am kind of the opposite. The reason I prefer the Mos is the safety. I prefer where it is on the mossy vs the Rem. I have one of the upper end Mos shotguns the 590, and it is great. The only thing I am going to have to do is put ghost ring sights on it. Rems are great guns have used the wingmasters a many of times while hunting, and it was a beautiful gun.

You know how it is to each his own.

[BC-Axeman]

My range actually had Speer Gold Dot short barrel ammo for my 38 the other day as well as wad cutters for target. First time in a LONG time.

Maybe the post election panic has ended and the market is about to be flooded with cheap ammo and hardly used handguns......:dance:
That's what I am waiting for. I jumped on some good deals quickly, before stock all ran out. Now I'm waiting for the over-restocking to hit so the prices will have to drop back down. I don't see it happening too soon. I was reading that some manufacturers are a year backordered.

[Sauer Grapes]

Did pick up a box of Winchester Ranger today at a fun shop as well. Two years ago I was seeing defense rounds at $25 per box of $50, so just over $30 isn't near as big of an increase as the target rounds have seen. I still think it's too expensive though, but it took ever defense round I had to fill my existing clips so I wanted to have one spare box.

[AAlmeter]

Well I am kind of the opposite. The reason I prefer the Mos is the safety. I prefer where it is on the mossy vs the Rem. I have one of the upper end Mos shotguns the 590, and it is great. The only thing I am going to have to do is put ghost ring sights on it. Rems are great guns have used the wingmasters a many of times while hunting, and it was a beautiful gun.

You know how it is to each his own.

I think most people would agree with you on that one. But after shooting the Rem so often (was my first gun), it is second nature to me. The location on the Moss is very convenient and intuitive though.