First Firearm Thread.

[MurphysLaw]

Woohoo.
Scored two Rock River lowers in stock from PK.

Very nice, I love my RRA AR15, wouldn't mind building another, but just can't justify the cost right now

[spectrrr]

True.
Was considering ordering a Phase 5.
Anyone know anything about them?
Looks nice and at $149, just an 8-12 week wait but don't see that as an issue as not in rush.

I havn't heard anything bad about Phase5 that I couldnt write off to brand snobbery

[spectrrr]

Nice score on the lowers :tu

I wasn't paying attention to my email, missed BCM auto bolt carrier groups in stock an hour ago. :/

[emopunker2004]

That sux Francis.

Well F@ck me. Bought one of these, and installed it on my shotgun. Only to find out the forend runs into it and i cant work the action. Time to buy a speedfeed LE forend from Amazon...
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TKe2KACJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[bonjing]

Did anyone else get an awesome email from Larue Tactical!

[spectrrr]

That sux Francis.

Well F@ck me. Bought one of these, and installed it on my shotgun. Only to find out the forend runs into it and i cant work the action. Time to buy a speedfeed LE forend from Amazon...
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TKe2KACJL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

DOH.



I just had to cancel one of the ammo sales I made on gunbroker. Un believable how much people CAN'T #$^#$^ READ.

Terms of the sale (stated clearly in the auction):
1) No sales to Illinois
2) Buyer responsible to know local laws.
3) check/money order only.

This dimwit lives in Illinois and bid on it... So I let that slide, just send me your FOID card and we'll call it good.
Then come to find out he moved, didn't get a new FOID card or ID, and those are the only two addresses I can send to. Oh yeah, and "his wife is not comfortable with with a check", so now he wants to use HeyGal, which is even more of a no-no for guns than it is for cigars!

So yep... out $20 in listing fees, time spent researching Illinois law... God people, is it that **** hard to READ the auction before you start bidding?

/Rant Off

[emopunker2004]

did someone else bid? sell it to them

[spectrrr]

Did anyone else get an awesome email from Larue Tactical!

nope - cool presale for in-the-know people only?

[big pete]

Woot! It's a good day so far: it's Friday, my friend is taking my spare upper, and my Spike's upper shipped today. Looks like I'll be putting together my AR next weekend

[emopunker2004]

just ordered the LE forend. Should arrive tuesday

[bonjing]

nope - cool presale for in-the-know people only?

No it's just a very very supportive email to law abiding citizens of the US. VEry political so cannot post here.

[jluck]

What magazines do AR-9's use?

[emopunker2004]

What brand? Some use colt some use Uzi

[bonjing]

What magazines do AR-9's use?

What do you have?

Like emo said most are colt style or converted uzi mags, some new ones are glock.

[jluck]

What brand? Some use colt some use Uzi

What do you have?

Like emo said most are colt style or converted uzi mags, some new ones are glock.

I don't have any yet... I want to build a 22TCM AR and am just planning now.

I didn't know if there was different ones or a constant standard.

[spectrrr]

did someone else bid? sell it to them

yeah, but they already purchased a different one of my ammo lots when they didn't win this one.

Just finished writing a nice 1.5 page letter this joker explaining in no uncertain terms that he basically has three options. Get his sh!t together, fix his ID and mail a check... /OR/ send me $24 in listing fees via HeyGal, we'll leave positive feedback and go our ways... /OR/ I file for non paying bidder with gunbroker and they will terminate his account. :bx

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Grabbed 4 boxes of 180 grain Underwood xtp 10mm. Want to grab another handgun soon, possibly another Glock. RRA ar-15 after that:D

[emopunker2004]

Someone stop me please. I'm considering selling my AR-15 and getting DSLR equipment again...

[spectrrr]

Someone stop me please. I'm considering selling my AR-15 and getting DSLR equipment again...

Shoulda done that about 3 weeks ago ;)

You won't get much help from me though, I love both shooting hobbies :)

[emopunker2004]

:bh
Guess I can just save some monies from my tax return and work some OT...
It just costs so much to replace my AR ammo right now and I can shoot a DSLR all day for free basically :r

[spectrrr]

Just need a couple hi cap mags, err, I mean memory cards :)

[emopunker2004]

Ugh. I guess I'm gonna put up 100rds of my 5.56 for trade. I need some Federal LE132 or PD132 low recoil 00 buck with the flight control wad.

[emopunker2004]

Ugh. I guess I'm gonna put up 100rds of my 5.56 for trade. I need some Federal LE132 or PD132 low recoil 00 buck with the flight control wad.

Well worked out a deal with a cop here. 180rds of LE132 for $100 and my 100rds. Good deal since that stuff sells locally for $9 per box of 5 IF you can find it.

[spectrrr]

nice.... $9 a box... expensive for 00 buck.. why do you need such high grade stuff?

[emopunker2004]

nice.... $9 a box... expensive for 00 buck.. why do you need such high grade stuff?

It's gonna be for HD use but this **** is the tits! Here's a pattern from it:

10yrds

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/ae86sba/2-1.jpg

15yrds

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/ae86sba/3-2.jpg

[spectrrr]

mmmm, nasty tight grouping on that.

[emopunker2004]

mmmm, nasty tight grouping on that.

Yep. It's from the flight control wad that federal puts in it. we used some at the range when i was in the academy and it's amazing stuff. copper plated shot too. can still shoot a chest sized group at 25yds. :r

[spectrrr]

Yep. It's from the flight control wad that federal puts in it. we used some at the range when i was in the academy and it's amazing stuff. copper plated shot too. can still shoot a chest sized group at 25yds. :r

sounds like I need some of that stuff :)

[emopunker2004]

exactly :r

[emopunker2004]

It's federal LE132-00 or PD132-00 and they have a 127 which is full power. The ones I got are low recoil

[emopunker2004]

Here's my haul. 180rds of federal LE132-00 :noon
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8246/8457682019_fd648389cb_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8457682019/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8457682019/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[big pete]

Got a shipping notice from PSA that the upper shipped. Amazed that it only took a week.

[emopunker2004]

Got a shipping notice from PSA that the upper shipped. Amazed that it only took a week.

That's retarded fast for psa

[big pete]

Actually 4 days (ordered on Tuesday). I may have to take a look at both uppers when they get here next week and decide which one I want to keep. I hope to be breaking her in next weekend.

On another note, shot my friends AR9 today and was surprised at how fun it was to shoot. Very little recoil and was quieter than I expected. I really want to build one now

[bonjing]

My next project :noon


http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj40/bonjing_album/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsd27745c3-1.jpg

[Chainsaw13]

So I'm really getting geeked about getting my AR. I'm never satisfied with stock. I can see this getting very costly. :D

Been researching new front rails. Since I don't have access to the tools, and don't know anyone with them, I'm looking at two piece rails. YHM, Troy, DD are all contenders. Then I saw the Vltor. Ooh. Right in my wheel house. I love the minimalistic look. Now if only someone has them in stock. Eh, no rush. Still need the gun first.

[emopunker2004]

So I'm really getting geeked about getting my AR. I'm never satisfied with stock. I can see this getting very costly. :D

Been researching new front rails. Since I don't have access to the tools, and don't know anyone with them, I'm looking at two piece rails. YHM, Troy, DD are all contenders. Then I saw the Vltor. Ooh. Right in my wheel house. I love the minimalistic look. Now if only someone has them in stock. Eh, no rush. Still need the gun first.

I recommend against a plain collapsible stock. Get the Magpul CTR, it has a compression lock on it that keeps it from wiggling. Or if you prefer a lil more cheek weld get the STR. For a rail get the Troy alpha rail. It uses the stock barrel nut. All you need to do is chop down the front site block to a low profile block and take the hand guards and delta ring off.
This is a troy alpha rail and STR stock. Nice and simple!
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/tstanfield12/3a93cd16.jpg

[big pete]

I like my Magpul ACS stock ;)

While I'm waiting for my upper to come, I've been looking at scopes but I'm so lost. What's a decent scope for 50-200yards (probably shooting at around 100yards most of the time)? Preferable at or around $200.

[spectrrr]

So I'm really getting geeked about getting my AR. I'm never satisfied with stock. I can see this getting very costly. :D

Been researching new front rails. Since I don't have access to the tools, and don't know anyone with them, I'm looking at two piece rails. YHM, Troy, DD are all contenders. Then I saw the Vltor. Ooh. Right in my wheel house. I love the minimalistic look. Now if only someone has them in stock. Eh, no rush. Still need the gun first.

+1 on keepin things nice and simple.

Troy is good, light, nice feel. I've got a 15" troy alpha rail. Bear in mind that all barrel nuts are not created equal, so it's not unheard of to find a troy alpha rail (or other similarly attaching tubes) not line up right or fit a little off. The general advice in those cases is try a different barrel nut :)

For my current build, I'm getting ready to order a Diamondhead V-RS rail. I like the aggressive front look, and the barrel nut it uses is pure genius - no fancy tools needed, and it sits below the gas tube, so you don't have to line them up and screw with timing issues. There's some pics of the barrel nut about halfway down in this thread here. A word of warning though with this one - the stated measurement length is for the TOP half. The bottom sits about 1 3/8" forward of the top. So a 15" rail is really 16 3/8" at the bottom.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/580422_Diamondhead_V_RS_T_Angular_Handguard.html

[elderboy02]

Magpul :)

[emopunker2004]

I like my Magpul ACS stock ;)

While I'm waiting for my upper to come, I've been looking at scopes but I'm so lost. What's a decent scope for 50-200yards (probably shooting at around 100yards most of the time)? Preferable at or around $200.

Primary arms makes good budget optics. I would think a 1-4x would be enough.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_1_4X_24_Illuminated_Scope_PA14X_p/pa14x.htm

[emopunker2004]

Or Vortex if u want a 4-12x but not sure it'd be too good at 50yrds

https://www.primaryarms.com/Vortex_Crossfire_II_4_12x44_Dead_Hold_BDC_Reticle_ p/cf2-31015.htm

[Chainsaw13]

Went to a local gun show today to see if I could get a hands on feel for ideas on my setup. Price gouging was in full effect. Tulammo for $1/rd. :r

There was one table with a couple of guys selling some of their own stuff they've collected, not the typical dealers. Anyway he had an Acog on the table. Start talking to him about it and checking it out. If it wasn't brand new, it was damn near close. $600. He had already sold 9 earlier in the day. This was the last one. They had gotten them from an auction, so they didn't know any history in them. I left to check out the rest if the tables, and contemplate how I could come up with $600. Came back and it was sold. Damn, but my wallet thanked me.

[spectrrr]

2-7x might be a nice range for you. Redfield makes a budget minded one. Still useful at close range, and a little extra clarity farther away.

I guess it depends what you're going to shoot at 50 yards too... a 3-9x is a fairly classic scope range and readily available.

Me personally, I like things CLOSE for target shooting. I'd use a 20x at 100yds if I could. More tactical oriented shooting however, and it's 1-4x or 2-7x at max. My mini14 wears a 3-9x. My 3gun AR will wear a 1-4x.

[emopunker2004]

Another option is a higher magnification scope but to have iron sights on the gun at a 45* offset for close work, which I'd say 50yrds counts as.

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40861-2/duek_sights_9305.jpg

[spectrrr]

Another option is a higher magnification scope but to have iron sights on the gun at a 45* offset for close work, which I'd say 50yrds counts as.

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/40861-2/duek_sights_9305.jpg

I just used those angled sights for the first time on my 15-22 this month, and I love em, I would stick em on every one of my builds if I could.

Of course, I stuck the $35 cheap ones on the 15-22... and they feel like it. On a plinker AR, screw it, I would probably still use the $35 ones.... for a competition gun like the 3gun one I'm building... I imagine I'll eventually have to bite the bullet and pony up the $230 for real ones....

[bonjing]

Better picture (I hope)

[emopunker2004]

I just used those angled sights for the first time on my 15-22 this month, and I love em, I would stick em on every one of my builds if I could.

Of course, I stuck the $35 cheap ones on the 15-22... and they feel like it. On a plinker AR, screw it, I would probably still use the $35 ones.... for a competition gun like the 3gun one I'm building... I imagine I'll eventually have to bite the bullet and pony up the $230 for real ones....

You could always buy these and put whatever sights or reddot you want on them...

http://www.gggaz.com/images/detailed/45-Degree-Offset-Acc-Rail-2012.jpg

http://www.gggaz.com/45-degree-offset-accessory-rail.html

[spectrrr]

yeah, though if you're using em for a pair of normal mount rail sight blocks (like the spare pair I got kicking around that came on my 15-22), they will sit pretty high off the gun. Kinda awkward. :)

Always did think having a red dot mounted like that next to a 2-7x or a 3-9x scope was a pretty slick setup. :tu

[emopunker2004]

Francis. Here's a buckshot comparison at 15yrds into a car door. LE132-00 on the left, regular tactical buckshot on the right...just saying...

http://www.animalinc.com/ar15/20061125/pictures/picture-20.jpg

[spectrrr]

yeah.... that nasty....

[emopunker2004]

almost makes a slug pointless under 25yds.

[spectrrr]

might as well be a slug under 15yds....

although I suppose there is something to be said for hitting someone with a wider spread and having greater chance of hitting something vital.... There's also something to be said for making a fist sized hole in someone too :tu

[emopunker2004]

might as well be a slug under 15yds....

although I suppose there is something to be said for hitting someone with a wider spread and having greater chance of hitting something vital.... There's also something to be said for making a fist sized hole in someone too :tu

I'd say that the le132-00 and a slug would both do that :r

[Cigarcop]

Heres a .223 I just built for a customer...

McMillan A5 Stock, Stiller BM, Jewell Trigger, Bartlien 1/8 Twist Barrel Chambered for the 75 Amax & finished at 22.5", Pillar Bedded, Cerakoted Graphite Black in Satin. Action was a factory Rem that I completely trued up.

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0493-1_zpsaa8a264e.jpg

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0495_zps6cea2a71.jpg

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0496_zpsf8ef86ac.jpg

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0494_zps2be920d6.jpg

5 shot group at 100 yrds with no load developement...not bad!

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0502_zps4e9343f8.jpg

[Blueface]

Heres a .223 I just built for a customer...

McMillan A5 Stock, Stiller BM, Jewell Trigger, Bartlien 1/8 Twist Barrel Chambered for the 75 Amax & finished at 22.5", Pillar Bedded, Cerakoted Graphite Black in Satin. Action was a factory Rem that I completely trued up.

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0493-1_zpsaa8a264e.jpg

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0495_zps6cea2a71.jpg

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0496_zpsf8ef86ac.jpg

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0494_zps2be920d6.jpg

5 shot group at 100 yrds with no load developement...not bad!

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/cigarcop/IMG_0502_zps4e9343f8.jpg

Wow.
Nice rifle and grouping.

[spectrrr]

Heres a .223 I just built for a customer...

McMillan A5 Stock, Stiller BM, Jewell Trigger, Bartlien 1/8 Twist Barrel Chambered for the 75 Amax & finished at 22.5", Pillar Bedded, Cerakoted Graphite Black in Satin. Action was a factory Rem that I completely trued up.

5 shot group at 100 yrds with no load developement...not bad!


That's a gorgeous rifle there!

If you don't mind me asking, around how much does something like that run?

[elderboy02]

Very nice! :gn :tu

[Cigarcop]

That's a gorgeous rifle there!

If you don't mind me asking, around how much does something like that run?

$2800.00 w/o scope

[Bondo 287]

Slightly off the scope topic but I have a question.

My son has a new Ruger Security Six 357 Magnum bout a month now. Today at the store got the last box of ammo he thought was .38 special. He got home and realized under closer inspection he purchased .38+p. He is asking me if the 38+p will work in his weapon. But the models can come in 9mm, 357 or 38 specific. The 38 specically is moody if using the 38+p.

We have shot .38 special out of this .357 gun when he got it. Just need to know if 38+p will work if anyone knows. The +p is supposed to just be a heavier grain shot ?

I googled this earlier today and apparently the Ruger model comes in the Security Six, Special Six and some other kind of “six” model. I can’t go back and see what the other version is because I already typed this once and when I opened google in a new tab it wiped out what I typed by closing the previous window.. Guess opening a new tab only retains your other window, if it contains spam, ads, peepal or banking passwords, or animal prawn. Then it keeps that information forever. :bh

So my question is does anyone forsee a problem substituting the 38+p for the 38 SP in this 357 ? Sorry but this my second attempt to ask this question apparently my laptop won't let me ask. Thanks for any help gentlemen, :tu

[elderboy02]

Slightly off the scope topic but I have a question.

My son has a new Ruger Security Six 357 Magnum bout a month now. Today at the store got the last box of ammo he thought was .38 special. He got home and realized under closer inspection he purchased .38+p. He is asking me if the 38+p will work in his weapon. But the models can come in 9mm, 357 or 38 specific. The 38 specically is moody if using the 38+p.

We have shot .38 special out of this .357 gun when he got it. Just need to know if 38+p will work if anyone knows. The +p is supposed to just be a heavier grain shot ?

I googled this earlier today and apparently the Ruger model comes in the Security Six, Special Six and some other kind of “six” model. I can’t go back and see what the other version is because I already typed this once and when I opened google in a new tab it wiped out what I typed by closing the previous window.. Guess opening a new tab only retains your other window, if it contains spam, ads, peepal or banking passwords, or animal prawn. Then it keeps that information forever. :bh

So my question is does anyone forsee a problem substituting the 38+p for the 38 SP in this 357 ? Sorry but this my second attempt to ask this question apparently my laptop won't let me ask. Thanks for any help gentlemen, :tu

Pretty sure you are fine. Most modern guns can handle +P loads

[Cigarcop]

I have shot thousands of 38+P out of a 357 without issue

[spectrrr]

Slightly off the scope topic but I have a question.

My son has a new Ruger Security Six 357 Magnum bout a month now. Today at the store got the last box of ammo he thought was .38 special. He got home and realized under closer inspection he purchased .38+p. He is asking me if the 38+p will work in his weapon. But the models can come in 9mm, 357 or 38 specific. The 38 specically is moody if using the 38+p.

We have shot .38 special out of this .357 gun when he got it. Just need to know if 38+p will work if anyone knows. The +p is supposed to just be a heavier grain shot ?

I googled this earlier today and apparently the Ruger model comes in the Security Six, Special Six and some other kind of “six” model. I can’t go back and see what the other version is because I already typed this once and when I opened google in a new tab it wiped out what I typed by closing the previous window.. Guess opening a new tab only retains your other window, if it contains spam, ads, peepal or banking passwords, or animal prawn. Then it keeps that information forever. :bh

So my question is does anyone forsee a problem substituting the 38+p for the 38 SP in this 357 ? Sorry but this my second attempt to ask this question apparently my laptop won't let me ask. Thanks for any help gentlemen, :tu

I'd I am understanding you correctly and he has a .357 revolver, then it can easily handle a .38 +p load.

To put things in perspective:
Max spec'ed pressure for a .38 special cartridge is 17,000 PSI
Max spec'ed pressure for a .38 special +p cartridge is 20,000 PSI
Max spec'ed pressure for a .357 cartridge is 35,000 PSI
Even the .38 +p+ cartridge, which is vaguely defined as "greater than 20,000 PSI" would have an extraordinarily impractical ways to go before it approached the 35,000 PSI limit of the .357 frame. So he should be just fine with any of those :tu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Special#Performance

[Bondo 287]

I'd I am understanding you correctly and he has a .357 revolver, then it can easily handle a .38 +p load.

Yes.
Thank You Very Much Guys ! I had more details in the first time I wrote the question.
I feel better telling him it is OK now , with these opinions backing me up.
Much Appreciated !

[Chainsaw13]

Learn something new every day. Now I know I can shoot those outta my Ruger revolver too.

[Bondo 287]

Likely if 357. Maybe you can do me a favor and use it to shoot this laptop.

[emopunker2004]

Most modern .38spl revolvers can handle +P. All .357 revolver can handle +P
For that matter most modern handguns period can handle +P

[emopunker2004]

Well Francis my Speedfeed LE 870 forend comes in tomorrow :noon

[spectrrr]

Well Francis my Speedfeed LE 870 forend comes in tomorrow :noon

sounds like a tinkering day :noon

I'm rapidly accumulating boxes of parts and no time to tinker :(

[emopunker2004]

:r
luckily it's a piece of cake to break an 870 down. unscrew cap on end of mag tube, pull barrel off, pull forend removing bolt assy. tada lol.

[spectrrr]

I wish that pulling apart and redoing the barrel nut on my rifle was that easy. Still need to get an upper receiver vice block...

Then I gotta decide what to do with the gas system on the 20" upper.... cut the A sight down with a dremel... or stick on a low profile adjustable block and try to tune the rifle down to shoot softer.... :/

[emopunker2004]

personally I'm going to cut the sight block down. Main reason is it'll be pinned on, much more secure than any screw on. :2

[spectrrr]

personally I'm going to cut the sight block down. Main reason is it'll be pinned on, much more secure than any screw on. :2

mmm, bloody hell, the man makes a good point... although I personally don't have any problem with a clamp style gas block (really, I prefer it, I don't like the pinhole in the barrel potentially messing up the harmonics), but since the A block is ALREADY pinned on there, the hole is already there... and thus I don't want to lave the hole unsupported, un filled... Guess the JP block is going back to midway.... (picked one up when I could, figured I had 60 days to send it back)

[emopunker2004]

You could sell it online too ya know

Just hit your block with a dremel and then some cold blue

[jluck]

I actually found a S&W AR 15-22 at a gun shop? I snatched that thing up, what a hoot! I haven't had this much fun with a gun in a long time.

[spectrrr]

They're starting to become findable... I saw one in my local shop last week. In hot pink tigerstripe camo :r
But seriously, see em online from time to time at the big stores, prices have gone up about $60 over what I paid for mine.

Fun though aint it? Love my 15-22, quite happy with that purchase. If you've got the cash, stick a slidefire stock on it and a set of the $10 JP yellows springs. It's a blast. You're next stop will be Black Dock Machine for a drum. If they ever reopen. GRRR >_<

[emopunker2004]

our local store has them for $400

[jluck]

They're starting to become findable... I saw one in my local shop last week. In hot pink tigerstripe camo :r
But seriously, see em online from time to time at the big stores, prices have gone up about $60 over what I paid for mine.

Fun though aint it? Love my 15-22, quite happy with that purchase. If you've got the cash, stick a slidefire stock on it and a set of the $10 JP yellows springs. It's a blast. You're next stop will be Black Dock Machine for a drum. If they ever reopen. GRRR >_<

I actually want a pink one for the wife. And yea I'm thinking slidefire for it eventually.

[spectrrr]

I actually want a pink one for the wife. And yea I'm thinking slidefire for it eventually.

It's FUN. I was honestly regretting a bit as I put the parts together and thinking that I was putting nearly $900 into a .22 rifle.... but damn if that didn't disappear the moment I started shooting it :)

Most youtube vids / guides out there talk about all the tuning you need to do to get it to work, and usually involve a $200 trigger job. You don't need to do that!

These are all I needed to get my slidefire working. $10.49 http://www.midwayusa.com/product/579878/jp-enterprises-trigger-spring-kit-ar-15-3-1-2-lb-reduced-power

That, and halfways decent ammo. I have a case of old remington bulk .22, the really shitty stuff. And it runs in the gun just fine so far, in semi auto. It even works in slidefire as far as having enough power to actuate the stock. But it jams every 5 rounds or so, round half stuck in the chamber. Not the fault of the slidefire, just the fault of the junk ammo not being able to cycle things fast enough I think.

I havn't done comprehensive ammo tests, but I can say for certainty that the CCI tactical .22 ammo works just great in slidefire (good luck finding it right now though). I'm reasonably sure any mid range+ ammo will work, although I havn't tested it yet.

The only other thing I did for the slidefire was to spray a little silicon rem oil on the buffer tube to give the slidefire a slick surface to work with. $10 springs sure beat buying a $200 trigger any day :tu

oh yeah, and if you do buy a slidefire, get it from sportsmansguide. Cheapest price I've seen anywhere for it.

[spectrrr]

just got shipping notification for the umbrella lower :wo

[Brian D.]

I'd I am understanding you correctly and he has a .357 revolver, then it can easily handle a .38 +p load.

Yes.
Thank You Very Much Guys ! I had more details in the first time I wrote the question.
I feel better telling him it is OK now , with these opinions backing me up.
Much Appreciated !

One thing I didn't see mentioned above was that if you shoot .38 specials, whether +P or not, out of a.357 revolver, make sure you clean the chambers before shooting the longer magnum ammo. Yeah I know a gun needs to be cleaned anyhow but you especially don't want any lead buildup in the chambers when .357 mag is being fired, pressure can increase.

[elderboy02]

One thing I didn't see mentioned above was that if you shoot .38 specials, whether +P or not, out of a.357 revolver, make sure you clean the chambers before shooting the longer magnum ammo. Yeah I know a gun needs to be cleaned anyhow but you especially don't want any lead buildup in the chambers when .357 mag is being fired, pressure can increase.

I agree with Brian. Great advice :tu

[emopunker2004]

blah! trying to find a bowling alley around here that wants to sell off a few pins..

[Steelerfanatic]

just got shipping notification for the umbrella lower :wo

Color me Jealous!

[Bondo 287]

One thing I didn't see mentioned above was that if you shoot .38 specials, whether +P or not, out of a.357 revolver, make sure you clean the chambers before shooting the longer magnum ammo. Yeah I know a gun needs to be cleaned anyhow but you especially don't want any lead buildup in the chambers when .357 mag is being fired, pressure can increase.

Absolutely. One of the things I also came across last night before coming here for a "straight answer" was a lot of people who were using 38 ammo because it is cheaper, and also easier recoil management. "Double tappers" like it. :tu

blah! trying to find a bowling alley around here that wants to sell off a few pins..
LOL nice

[Blueface]

Color me Jealous!

:tpd:

[jluck]

Good deal....
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-16-mid-length-cl-mp-premium-upper.html

[elderboy02]

Good deal....
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-16-mid-length-cl-mp-premium-upper.html

Out of stock. How much was it?

[Blueface]

Out of stock. How much was it?

$399

[jluck]

Out of stock. How much was it?

$399

That was quick!

[emopunker2004]

well got my Speedfeed forend in for my Shotgun. It's slight off center but it functions. It was a PITA to put on so I'm not gonna even **** with it as long as it functions :r

[emopunker2004]

Before:


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8444424247_2a202d6cdf_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8444424247/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8444424247/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

After:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8088/8466131543_e41db80c10_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8466131543/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8466131543/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Bondo 287]

Lookin Good. Check this guy out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WxLmwuBRTQ

I see you're a side loader

I just went shopping and I blame you. Right after your post, I went and ordered my 5" muzzle break for my ACP 45. Thought I'd might as well get it before they're gone.

[emopunker2004]

Lol. Yeh I haven't decided how I prefer to grab the shells to reload. Going out on Saturday and ill decide

[Bondo 287]

Lol. Yeh I haven't decided how I prefer to grab the shells to reload. Going out on Saturday and ill decide

I edited that after seeing you are a side loader. So yeah you'll decide if over the top likely is better as already shown.
Just be careful

[Bondo 287]

... gotta love new stuff !!

[spectrrr]

here's an over the top, one shot at a time load. http://youtu.be/Qg1ANowlCIg?t=7m40s

[spectrrr]

I just went shopping and I blame you. Right after your post, I went and ordered my 5" muzzle break for my ACP 45. Thought I'd might as well get it before they're gone.

What did you get?

[emopunker2004]

here's an over the top, one shot at a time load. http://youtu.be/Qg1ANowlCIg?t=7m40s

Yeh I think I'd only use the side saddle in an o **** I'm out and he's not dead throw one in the chamber

[spectrrr]

Anyone use a 3 Speed Holster (http://3speedholster.com/) before? I havn't quite found a comfortable solution for me yet.. this looked like a nice idea :)

[emopunker2004]

No but I hear good thing about http://www.smartcarry.com/index.html

[emopunker2004]

Look what I got....

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8467527705_f51765f19d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8467527705/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8467527705/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[bonjing]

What you doing taking pictures of them things for, go destroy them already!!! :banger:D

[Bondo 287]

What did you get?

1 x MASTERPIECE A.R.M.S. Inc. Threaded Safety Extension .45 Caliber 7 8x9 Thread ( 5" )

The brakes were mostly out of stock for the 45 at MasterPiece.
http://www.sportsmans-depot.com/product_images/m/810/MPA_MPA10T-73__76536_zoom.jpg

Finally got one from sportsmans-depot.com. Exact mfr. stock item. $20 cheaper

[emopunker2004]

Wtf is that thing for?

Going shooting on Saturday....

[Bondo 287]

Looks like Punker's going shotgun bowling !!

[emopunker2004]

And mosin bowling. 7.62x54R should work nicely!

[Bondo 287]

Wtf is that thing for?

Going shooting on Saturday....

Screws on to the end of ACP 45 ( MAC 10 )
http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2013/01/31/969220_01_new_mac_11_with_30_round_mag_a_640.jpg

[emopunker2004]

U shoulda just bought a real suppressor :D

[Bondo 287]

And mosin bowling. 7.62x54R should work nicely!

That's some stock photo. My crank is on the side.

Yeah I forgot you have that Mosen too !

[Chainsaw13]

Anyone have recommendations on a good soft sided case for an AR?

[emopunker2004]

Anyone have recommendations on a good soft sided case for an AR?

Kinda pricey but nice and heavy duty
http://store.ar15.com/product.html?cat=24&pr=305

[forgop]

My PJ holster is due to ship within the next couple of days...although I'm still waiting on my carry permit, so it's not gonna do me much good just yet.

[Blueface]

My PJ holster is due to ship within the next couple of days...although I'm still waiting on my carry permit, so it's not gonna do me much good just yet.

On the contrary, will give you ample practice time.
Get comfortable carrying and drawing before hitting the road.

[Blueface]

Question for AR guys that have built their own.
Now that my Rock River lower shipped, thinking of ordering the lower kit for it directly from RR, for $70.
However, noticed thay also have a two stage trigger for double the price.
I assume my stock trigger on my M&P and my Armalite are single stage, correct?
If so, for now, rather not spend the extra money.

[emopunker2004]

Right

[spectrrr]

On the contrary, will give you ample practice time.
Get comfortable carrying and drawing before hitting the road.

+1000

Practice drawing in simulated stress. Run 20 yards, then suddenly try to whip out your gun as fast as you can. Do it with the gun COCKED and UNLOADED (loaded mag for accurate weight is your call, for the love of God don't forget and chamber a round... :2). You'll be surprised how often you pull the trigger accidentally ;)

There are lot's of draws and carry spots that work great normally.... but stick some stress in there and you start getting misfires. And even if it's 1 outta every 30 times, do you want those odds that you're going to shoot yourself instead of the other guy? or even one in a hundred... and bear in mind, that means you have to practice 100 frantic draws from that position before potentially learning of it's flaw.

Don't be afraid to say "this holster isn't working for me, I can't get the right firing grip on the gun" and switch holsters. I've had holsters I really liked... but just couldn't get a SAFE draw from them, too easy to slip a finger through the trigger guard while attempting to get a solid grip on the gun under stress. Takes a lot of practice and repetition.

[spectrrr]

Question for AR guys that have built their own.
Now that my Rock River lower shipped, thinking of ordering the lower kit for it directly from RR, for $70.
However, noticed thay also have a two stage trigger for double the price.
I assume my stock trigger on my M&P and my Armalite are single stage, correct?
If so, for now, rather not spend the extra money.

yuppers. stock trigger is a long pull single stage. You pull the trigger back, fight a little mush and sponginess, then it really starts getting firm, and it breaks (fires) sometime after that.

A double stage trigger will have almost no resistance as you're pulling it back, it glides right back until it hits a very very sharp and defined wall... from there' you'll need 2-4lbs of pressure and almost no travel distance for the trigger to break. The second half of the stage kinda feels like a 1911 with a nice trigger. There's very little no movement forward or back, you just put some pressure on the bar, and bang.

[emopunker2004]

One of the LTs here might know someone who can get me more pins :D

[spectrrr]

pins?

[emopunker2004]

Look what I got....

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8229/8467527705_f51765f19d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8467527705/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8467527705/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

Yes Francis, Pins :sl

[spectrrr]

yes francis, pins :sl

derp

[emopunker2004]

Yep pretty much :r
What up?

[spectrrr]

not much, winding down the evening. Lowers arrive tomorrow... can't wait :D

[emopunker2004]

:r
Can't wait til Saturday to go shoot the shotgun!

[spectrrr]

don't think I have any shooting in my near future.. heck, don't even think I'll be building that lower anytime soon.... but we'll see.

Moving in a month, starting to get super busy with packing and prep...
Just about done with gunbroker, only a couple more things to sell off while the market is still simmering.

[emopunker2004]

ever get that ammo deal worked out?



I think I should pick up a sling mount for my shotgun.

[spectrrr]

ever get that ammo deal worked out?
I think I should pick up a sling mount for my shotgun.

nope, he's ducking my emails...

I like slings :)

[emopunker2004]

I have a magpul ms3 on my ar

[Bondo 287]

FedEx:
Apparently utilizing Kentucky to get a 4 oz part from a warehouse in Ohio to a destination in Pennsylvania.

[Blueface]

FedEx:
Apparently utilizing Kentucky to get a 4 oz part from a warehouse in Ohio to a destination in Pennsylvania.

Doesn't matter if going down the street.
Everything goes to central facility.

[Bondo 287]

Doesn't matter if going down the street.
Everything goes to central facility.

I actually thought maybe it was going to hop a plane, then arrive in Pitt

Yeah, that makes sense though. It comes tomorrow anyway.

[Brian D.]

Yes Francis, Pins :sl

Emopunker, I shot at bowling pins for several years. Not everything will penetrate that plastic hide, use caution. For that which does not get thru the skin, has an annoying tendency to bounce back at the firing line, if not the shooter himself.

Would take too much time to list off what's safe versus not, but I can lay out a few basic parameters:

With pistols, .38 special/9mm makarov and smaller are non-nos for the most part. 9mm parabellum has plenty of velocity, at least from a service length barrel.

Don't go smaller than #4 shot with the 12 or 20 gauge shotguns, buckshot and of course slugs are fine. (Believe it or not slugs will not completely penetrate the pins, but boy do the pins look like jet fighters leaving a carrier deck when hit by them!)

.22 L.R. is okay out of either handgun or rifle, but not .22 shorts or the Aguila primer-power-only fodder.

I've never seen a centerfire rifle round fail to bite into the wood core, but can't say that applies to every caliber you might try. The high velocity stuff goes right through as you might expect, but the bullets probably change direction a little bit afterwards. Use a wide/tall enough backstop.

And in all cases, wear eye protection! One time at a match I was the only one shooting and hit a pin dead solid with a .45acp reload. It spun the pin around and sent a .357 bullet that was already in the pin straight back at my shin! Left a welt that didn't go away for a couple weeks. Wouldn't have been a "Throw some dirt on it and man up!" moment if that bullet had headed for my face, and probably would have done some real damage to an unprotected eye. Fortunately I never shoot without appropriate glasses.

Hope this doesn't come off as me being a safety ninny, just trying to share several years of being around pin shoots.

[Blueface]

If anyone sees a good deal on a complete Magpul CTR kit for my new lower, that is such a great deal that I should further risk life and limb, not to mention being shot with my own weapons, by my "can no longer be tolerant of all my recent purchases" wife, please be sure to let me know.
Life without some degree of risk is just not fun.:D

[MurphysLaw]

If anyone sees a good deal on a complete Magpul CTR kit for my new lower, that is such a great deal that I should further risk life and limb, not to mention being shot with my own weapons, by my "can no longer be tolerant of all my recent purchases" wife, please be sure to let me know.
Life without some degree of risk is just not fun.:D

Gun Show this weekend, pay cash, throw receipts out the window. Only hard part is sneaking the parts in the house without getting caught.

[spectrrr]

Gun Show this weekend, pay cash, throw receipts out the window. Only hard part is sneaking the parts in the house without getting caught.

stick em at the bottom of your range bag and bring them in with all the other meaningless gun parts :)

[spectrrr]

Emopunker, I shot at bowling pins for several years. Not everything will penetrate that plastic hide, use caution. For that which does not get thru the skin, has an annoying tendency to bounce back at the firing line, if not the shooter himself.

Would take too much time to list off what's safe versus not, but I can lay out a few basic parameters:

With pistols, .38 special/9mm makarov and smaller are non-nos for the most part. 9mm parabellum has plenty of velocity, at least from a service length barrel.

Don't go smaller than #4 shot with the 12 or 20 gauge shotguns, buckshot and of course slugs are fine. (Believe it or not slugs will not completely penetrate the pins, but boy do the pins look like jet fighters leaving a carrier deck when hit by them!)

.22 L.R. is okay out of either handgun or rifle, but not .22 shorts or the Aguila primer-power-only fodder.

I've never seen a centerfire rifle round fail to bite into the wood core, but can't say that applies to every caliber you might try. The high velocity stuff goes right through as you might expect, but the bullets probably change direction a little bit afterwards. Use a wide/tall enough backstop.

And in all cases, wear eye protection! One time at a match I was the only one shooting and hit a pin dead solid with a .45acp reload. It spun the pin around and sent a .357 bullet that was already in the pin straight back at my shin! Left a welt that didn't go away for a couple weeks. Wouldn't have been a "Throw some dirt on it and man up!" moment if that bullet had headed for my face, and probably would have done some real damage to an unprotected eye. Fortunately I never shoot without appropriate glasses.

Hope this doesn't come off as me being a safety ninny, just trying to share several years of being around pin shoots.

From someone who has never shot pins before, thanks for the very useful info regarding their safe safe handling, it never hurts to be armed with more info! :tu

[Blueface]

Gun Show this weekend, pay cash, throw receipts out the window. Only hard part is sneaking the parts in the house without getting caught.

On my calendar and was thinking of going.
How much should a complete mil kit go for?

[MurphysLaw]

On my calendar and was thinking of going.
How much should a complete mil kit go for?

Francis and Justin would probably know better at this point, I built my RRA so long ago that I don't even remember what I paid for parts.

[spectrrr]

Palmetto was selling magpul CTR LPKs for $200 a few weeks ago.

[Blueface]

Palmetto was selling magpul CTR LPKs for $200 a few weeks ago.

I have the lower parts kit coming from RRA.
Got that for $70 for the single stage trigger.
Just need stock components.
This:
http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/stock-magpul-ctr-milspec-complete-kit-black-p-45.html

Just have no clue if that is a good price at $149 but out of stock anyway.
DSG has them at $99 but out of stock.

[Bondo 287]

I have the lower parts kit coming from RRA.

Just have no clue if that is a good price at $149 but out of stock anyway.
DSG has them at $99 but out of stock.

You could try sportsmans-depo.com They had my ACP 45 parts in stock., but I did a check for SAK0101-K your stock number, no go. If you search "Magpul" they do have a couple dozen parts pages you can manually sort through though.

[spectrrr]

you may want to skip the complete kit, instead pick up a buffer tube kit, and then pick up a stock. Plenty of both in stock around the interwebs, but finding a kit with those specific components may be more difficult.

[big pete]

Are the Spikes ST2 buffers worth the money?

[emopunker2004]

I've heard yes and no on the spikes. Might just wanna get an h buffer

[Chainsaw13]

Just a heads up, Primary Arms has a couple of their red dots in stock on their site.

https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_s/586.htm

just ordered the PAM3M.

[emopunker2004]

I'm holding out for the PA Micro Dots to come back. Want one for my shotgun

[jluck]

I scored a blackdog 50rd drum and two 15rd mags but they don't fit the S&W 15-22, Damn!

SO....I have a few goodies for 22lr conversions to peddle. I would love to find some S&W 25rd mags.

[spectrrr]

WHERE did you score it? I need one....

BTW, hang on to the drum. You can spend $30 on the black dog site when they reopen and get a conversion tower to make it work with your 15-22

And if you find 25rd mags, msg me... I've got half a dozen on backorder form cabellas for 6 weeks now... I'm running out of time before I leave the country next month :/

[emopunker2004]

The more I look at the Magpul SGA stock for the 870 the more it grows on me. Still ugly as sin but it looks very comfortable....hmmm

[jluck]

WHERE did you score it? I need one....

BTW, hang on to the drum. You can spend $30 on the black dog site when they reopen and get a conversion tower to make it work with your 15-22

And if you find 25rd mags, Mag me... I've got half a dozen on backorder form cabellas for 6 weeks now... I'm running out of time before I leave the country next month :/

I found drum locally, Slickguns actually had them yesterday for 69.99 but I don't remember where, sold out quick (go figure).

Mags....Oh I can get them, A guy has some just down the road but there 75 damn dollars. I have almost fell for it....

Thank you for the info on the tower I didn't realize they are interchangeable.:tu

[spectrrr]

$75 :jd

Methinks not! lol

paid $20 ea for the ones on backorder at cabellas :)

I'm stalking the black dog site, waiting on em to reopen... think I'll pick up two drums when they do. Even if I have to ship em to a friends. This 15-22 w/ the slidefire stock is just way too much fun :tu

[emopunker2004]

:noon

[spectrrr]

:noon

http://i.imgur.com/CnjQhAml.jpg

yep... I'm an asshole. :D

[emopunker2004]

:r yes you are sir. Yes you are...

[jluck]

:r yes you are sir. Yes you are...

I second that! :D

[emopunker2004]

Check this video out about 5.56 zeroing. Interdasting..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YUwve2VMFBU

[spectrrr]

:r yes you are sir. Yes you are...

I second that! :D

http://static.tumblr.com/ooicj30/I9Fltwzyw/graceful_bow.gif

[spectrrr]

Check this video out about 5.56 zeroing. Interdasting..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YUwve2VMFBU

Sums up and brings the info together nicely, VERY helpful! :tu

[emopunker2004]

Sums up and brings the info together nicely, VERY helpful! :tu

If I had a 300yrd range I'd use the 300yd zero. I'll settle for the 50/200 zero. :r

Travis Haley is the man.

[emopunker2004]

I think i'll be building a small trauma IFAK when I get my tax return.

[spectrrr]

If I had a 300yrd range I'd use the 300yd zero. I'll settle for the 50/200 zero. :r

Travis Haley is the man.

I saw the 200yd one and I said "I'm using that one!" Then I saw the 300yd and I was sold. but yeah, 300yd range is harder to come by....

In theory, you can calibrate your zero at 36yds, its the same thing as 300yds. Bearing mind that's shooting M855 out of a 20" rifle barrel.... what load you're shooting will have an effect..



I think i'll be building a small trauma IFAK when I get my tax return.

I keep a well stocked (overstocked really) medkit in the trunk... but I'm long overdue for an actual IFAK....

[emopunker2004]

i def wanna have some triangle and israeli bandages and some celox or quick clot gauze

[spectrrr]

I always carry some quickclot with me when I'm in the mountains in venezuela.... help is along ways away.....

[emopunker2004]

you got the granuals or the impregnated gauze?


This is supposed to be good for stabs, GSWs and deep laceration

http://www.amazon.com/Celox-Clotting-Granule-Applicator-Plunger/dp/B004NG8V1W

[spectrrr]

I've got a nice slim vac packed gauze, starting to approach expiration... makes for easier kit packing.... but mmm, those granuals do look effective....

[emopunker2004]

I would save the granual tube for a gsw or stab wound.

[Bondo 287]

A trauma pack is a good idea. I'll have to add it to the " short list" . After running into Mike and Chainsaw Bob in the ammo thread over there I'm considering investing in more ammo again this month.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jNz-nc6c5Vc/UFH9u9EBn3I/AAAAAAAAMZU/1wW3o9kvc6I/s1600/baby+throwing+paper+money.gif

[spectrrr]

considering my odds of getting shot or stabbed over there are disturbingly high, lol.... granual tube FTW.

mmm, more ammo.... although I tend to ascribe to the idea of "you can never have too much ammo", I nevertheless have sold off a few thousand rounds this month for a significant profit... planning on rebuying next year and gambling that the prices will be way down, since I won't be doing any more shooting this year.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jNz-nc6c5Vc/UFH9u9EBn3I/AAAAAAAAMZU/1wW3o9kvc6I/s1600/baby+throwing+paper+money.gif

:r

That's prettymuch how I feel... the discretionary spending account for guns has plummeted, and yet... my "short list" has still managed to GROW. :bh

[emopunker2004]

Not buying ANY ammo at the prices people are asking

[spectrrr]

I only wish pistol ammo was as insanely high priced as rifle ammo, got plenty of .45 I'd be happy to sell IF it was worth my while... but it really isn't, by the time you add in listing fees, and time lost creating and fulfilling the transaction.... you make a couple bucks, maybe...

[Bondo 287]

Aw just another $200 on rounds and I'll be done.. My muzzle is supposed to arrive today. And I still want a second Mag. Them maybe I can get back to throwing my money away on cigars. Remember a gun without ammo.... is a glorified hammer.

[MurphysLaw]

.45 has been pretty hard to find at a decent price. I've been looking for some range ammo and haven't found any that's cheaper than what I pay at my range.

[Bondo 287]

.45 has been pretty hard to find at a decent price. I've been looking for some range ammo and haven't found any that's cheaper than what I pay at my range.

50 cents a shell is what I see avg. Just picked up 200 rds last week.

[MurphysLaw]

50 cents a shell is what I see avg. Just picked up 200 rds last week.

Yup, that's what I pay locally...hoping I can make it to the gun show this weekend and find some priced a little more reasonably.

[Blueface]

Yup, that's what I pay locally...hoping I can make it to the gun show this weekend and find some priced a little more reasonably.

Would love to go but have to come up with a good BS white lie to explain why going to Miami, and not use "going to gun show" as reason.

[MurphysLaw]

Would love to go but have to come up with a good BS white lie to explain why going to Miami, and not use "going to gun show" as reason.

West Palm gun show is this weekend too...had no idea Miami was having one. :D

[Blueface]

West Palm gun show is this weekend too...had no idea Miami was having one. :D

Yeah.
I like the Miami one better than the West Palm.

However, even West Palm would be a challenge to explain to her.
I may just "bite the bullet" (pun intended) and tell her and see what she says.
Figure I will give her a reason to b*tch at me as has been a while.:r

[spectrrr]

50 cents a round may be expensive... and hard to find.. but the stuff was retailing for 35-40 cents a round already... not enough margin to make selling worth it :/

[emopunker2004]

I'm gonna put my 100rds of 45ACP up for $50 on Armslist and Florida Gun Trader.

[spectrrr]

mmm, I always forget about armslist.... I should do that....

[emopunker2004]

Only do armslist if they're a local buyer. I heard of a lot of scams with shipping on armslist

[spectrrr]

yeah. just like craigslist.

[spectrrr]

ahh yes.. *sigh*, now I remember why I hate doing business on ebay/gubroker.... all those people who never learned to read in high school apparently figured out how to register.....

[emopunker2004]

:r

[Blak Smyth]

A trauma pack is a good idea. I'll have to add it to the " short list" . After running into Mike and Chainsaw Bob in the ammo thread over there I'm considering investing in more ammo again this month.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jNz-nc6c5Vc/UFH9u9EBn3I/AAAAAAAAMZU/1wW3o9kvc6I/s1600/baby+throwing+paper+money.gif

That would be a good avatar :tu

[emopunker2004]

That would be a good avatar :tu

Kinda goes along with...

http://genophoria.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg

[Blueface]

Guys, on the stock, I understand the differences between commercial and mil spec.
That said, left or right, up or down, in or out, commercial or mil spec?:D

[emopunker2004]

Da fuq?

[Blueface]

Da fuq?

Do I go mil spec or commercial?

[Chainsaw13]

Do I go mil spec or commercial?

I was asking myself the same question last night. The big diff I could find was the buffer tube. Mil-spec is non-extruded and milled to spec, whereas commercial is extruded and no milling involved, except for the threads (if you want to call that milling). The tube sizes are different, so they're not interchangeable. If you already have a commercial tube, I'd say stick with that and save yourself the money of buying a new tube, spring, etc.

But then I have no real world experience yet with either type of stock. But I did order a comm Magpul CTR for my AR that's still on order.

[Digs]

Do I go mil spec or commercial?

Carlos, Bob’s analyses is spot on. BUT I find that the threads on the commercial tube generally fit loser and are flatter when you look close at them.

I have seen 2 AR's that the commercial tubes loosen up and let the buffer detent pop out and the buffer & spring launched out jamming them up pretty good, I use NOTHING but the mil spec receiver extension. When I got my last new AR from Yankee Hill in December first thing I did was remove the commercial tube. (What do you want from a $1440 AR, HAHA?)

I think the last mil spec stock/buffer receiver extension I got from Bravo was only $65

[big pete]

Mil-spec is supposed to be stronger and better if you want to hit things with it (door/head). I have commercial setup but that's only because I got it cheap. It is easier to find mil-spec stuff though

[Blueface]

Thanks guys.
So mil spec with H buffer and Magpul of my liking.

Now, to find it, buy it, get it and not die for it.

I really think she is hitting the end of the line with this stuff.
I can always tell as she retaliates on HSN and seems packages are starting to arrive daily for her.:r

[Steve]

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc4/46534c1f_r20.jpg

[spectrrr]

I really think she is hitting the end of the line with this stuff.
I can always tell as she retaliates on HSN and seems packages are starting to arrive daily for her.:r

:r :r

That's why I did all of my insane shopping this month, before the wedding in April :D

[big pete]

You too?!? My upper arrives today and I hope she won't notice it with the wedding stuff thats coming in too

[spectrrr]

You too?!? My upper arrives today and I hope she won't notice it with the wedding stuff thats coming in too

:r :r :r

Yep, me too! She's out of the country, I'll be joining her next month, so she'll never know on my end :)

Of course, it may be the last of nearly everything I buy for the next 5 years, she's not exactly pro-gun yet..... :hn

[Bondo 287]

:r :r

That's why I did all of my insane shopping this month, before the wedding in April :D

Aww come on Spex. I heard you had a wedding registry ay Guns&Ammo Warehouse. :D

[spectrrr]

:r, where I'm gonna be for the rest of the year, I can't even carry a 2" pocketknife :hn

I knew she'd shoot me down on the gunsNammo warehouse registry, that's why I went ahead and bought out the whole place last month :dance:

[big pete]

Yep, me too! She's out of the country, I'll be joining her next month, so she'll never know on my end :)

Of course, it may be the last of nearly everything I buy for the next 5 years, she's not exactly pro-gun yet..... :hn

lol. Mine is not a big gun fan either. She has no clue that I'm building a AR but once she finds out :sl

[emopunker2004]

always always mil-spec. There are more stocks out there for mil-spec if you decide to change your stock out one day.


P.S. I'd NEVER marry anyone not pro-gun. Period. Sleep with...well that's different.

[spectrrr]

mine will come around. she's never been exposed to a RESPONSIBLE gun owner before (quite the traumatic opposite, but that's another story). She's willing to give me a shot with them, and when she sees the pleasure that the hobby brings to me, and that it's not actually dangerous when used properly.. and in fact it is very empowering to her own security.. yeah, I think she'll come around. But since I already have "enough" guns, she's going to have to come around a long ways before new purchases are authorized, lol :r

[spectrrr]

holy crap.. just got an email from Botach requesting that I confirm my address, and then a reply that the order was heading to shipping dept. Say it aint so! And that order had a very important item in it, a black dog drum for the 15-22! :D

[emopunker2004]

:r good luck. it's botach after all...

[spectrrr]

:bh

I sure hope it shows up... I really want that black dog mag... and I got it for $20 less than black dog's site was selling them for....

[emopunker2004]

Ok help me out guys.


Buy a midlength free float rail for my midlength AR and keep the front sight. OR
Buy a 15" free float rail, cut the front sight and then buy a flip up sight?

[spectrrr]

I vote for the 15" rail. Not much extra weight, and lots more to hold on to, plus gives you a slightly extended irons sight picture. But that's just me. The dissy style never bothered me, always looked practical.

[emopunker2004]

Yeh. only thing is then i have to wait cuz the ones I want are all OOS lol

[spectrrr]

which rails do you want exactly?

[emopunker2004]

Troy Alpha or the Troy Vtac

[spectrrr]

well, not sure the color you want, but if you want a BLACK 15" alpha, I picked one up from Brownells last month and won't be using it, just waiting to get boxed up and sent back sometime next week.

[emopunker2004]

This one right?
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-forend-parts/forends-handguards/trx-alpha-rail-15--sku100009698-53944-104174.aspx?ttver=1

[spectrrr]

This one right?
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-forend-parts/forends-handguards/trx-alpha-rail-15--sku100009698-53944-104174.aspx?ttver=1

Aye, that's the one

[emopunker2004]

PM sent

[emopunker2004]

Blah! 2.5hrs left of work!

[spectrrr]

blah! havn't slept in 24 hours.... and still a long long ways away from being able to sleep.... maybe late this afternoon...

[emopunker2004]

WTF why?

[spectrrr]

too much to do, too little time to do it!
Now it looks like my computer is acting up enough that I gotta reload this morning... in time to get a photo project done and to the printer in the afternoon...
Might have to cancel 11am salsa lessons....

[emopunker2004]

:r sounds like u need a vacation

[spectrrr]

It's called a honeymoon, starts April 7th. :tg

[emopunker2004]

That won't be a vacation. You'll be putting in work. :xxx






:r

[spectrrr]

:r :r :r

Be more of a vacation than this/the next few months will be.

[emopunker2004]

Word!

Blah! I need moar $! Wanting a new DSLR

[Bondo 287]

This one right?
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/stock-forend-parts/forends-handguards/trx-alpha-rail-15--sku100009698-53944-104174.aspx?ttver=1

Holy expensive Batman.

[Chainsaw13]

I'm slowly accumulating the parts to add to my AR, once it finally arrives. Just bought a rear flip up sight off a guy on AR15.com last night. Now bought a flip down front sight off Armslist this morning. Now to win the Vltor CASV on ebay this weekend.

[emopunker2004]

Holy expensive Batman.

Yeh... It's really not. Not for a good ar15 rail

[Chainsaw13]

Those Troy Battle rails are nice. If I ultimately don't get the Vltor, those are one of my other options.

[emopunker2004]

Which vltor?

[Chainsaw13]

Which vltor?

CASV-EL

I like the sleek look of it as compared to traditional quad rails. Plus I don't have to remove the barrel nut, etc which I hear can be a real PITA on RRA's fresh from the factory.

[Blueface]

CASV-EL

I like the sleek look of it as compared to traditional quad rails. Plus I don't have to remove the barrel nut, etc which I hear can be a real PITA on RRA's fresh from the factory.

Sweet rail.
Is that a free float or drop in?

[emopunker2004]

Sweet rail.
Is that a free float or drop in?

It is sweet. That's what I was gonna go with if i kept my FSB, only the CASVM.

It's really as drop-in free float. It's a two-piece free float. I assume you'd just have to cut the delta ring off.


I do agree that it's nice to not have to change the barrel nut. That's why I'm getting the Troy, it uses the stock barrel nut.

[big pete]

Ok help me out guys.


Buy a midlength free float rail for my midlength AR and keep the front sight. OR
Buy a 15" free float rail, cut the front sight and then buy a flip up sight?

Have a M4 front and it has the fixed sight. So I have to cut the sight if I want to go with a rail more than 7"?

[emopunker2004]

yes. you'll either have to cut it above the gas tube area and grind it down to fit under a rail, or take it off and put on a lo-pro gas block of some kind.

Depending on the rail you choose you may have to remove the barrel nut and replace it with the provided one.

Videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQvHdVw5eAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfYpR6TLEMI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS_rkTnk914

[bonjing]

Have a M4 front and it has the fixed sight. So I have to cut the sight if I want to go with a rail more than 7"?

You can always go DanielDefense, but the look doesn't appeal to me :2.

https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/m4-railtm-9-5-fsp-carbine.html

[bonjing]

I want a Noveske hammer :D :banger:

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/bigpic.cgi?d=noveskerifleworks.com&i=hammer_1d.jpg

[emopunker2004]

You can always go DanielDefense, but the look doesn't appeal to me :2.

https://danieldefense.com/rail-systems/m4-railtm-9-5-fsp-carbine.html

Yeh. i think that's stupid looking and you'd be better off with a 7" :r

Plus side to shaving the FSB down and putting say a 15" rail like i am is you can put a flip up or fixed sight on the front basically giving you rifle length sight radius, even a lil longer, which will increase iron sight accuracy.

[big pete]

I agree, it does look retarded. I think I'll just stick with the Magpul MOE guard for now. Going to a long rail is too much work for my lazy butt

[looking for know]

Because sharing is caring:

http://imageshack.us/a/img40/6664/20130211171843.jpg

[emopunker2004]

I agree, it does look retarded. I think I'll just stick with the Magpul MOE guard for now. Going to a long rail is too much work for my lazy butt

That's what I have on my middy. Black.

Nice guns and suppressor Mike!

[spectrrr]

yep, $180-$210 es about par for the course for every 15" free float rail out there that won't fall apart on you or instantly transform your AR into a replica boat anchor.

Here's the 15" rail that I want to get for my 20" upper. 15" at the top, 16 3/8" at the bottom. Only tradeoff is that I have to change out the barrel nut, which is ok, because the nut on my 20" is well worn... but still, a PITA. :/ ... kinda want to stick one on the 16" as well.... but already have a Midwest SS15 for that one, and don't have toe change the nut...
(pictured is on an 18" upper)

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d7/chmodx/20130126_112111.jpg

[emopunker2004]

what is it?

[spectrrr]

what is it?

Diamondhead V-RS T

There's some more pics here on arfcom, including the cleverly designed barrel nut. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/580422_Diamondhead_V_RS_T_Angular_Handguard.html

[spectrrr]

downside, for a 16" barrel you almost have to go with the 13.5" top rail. here's a picture of the 15" rail on a 16" gun.

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/229857_459242850786687_1522783966_n.jpg

[emopunker2004]

How much are they? That looks sweet

[Chainsaw13]

Damn you Francis. That Diamondhead it slick looking. For me, I don't really need a true quad rail as i doubt I'll put anything on it other than a vertical grip. I like the sleeker lines of these configurable rail systems. Now you just muddied the waters even more. :D

[spectrrr]

about par for the course.
$190 for the 13.5"
$210 for the 15"

There's also a 13" VRS-TD model that's designed to retrofit over the top of a delta ring, no cutting or mods needed, for $220... but I prefer the look of the "T" model going all the way back to the receiver.
http://www.store-diamondhead-usa.com/VRS_TD_Free_FloatIng_Handguard_System_p/2281.htm

[spectrrr]

Damn you Francis. That Diamondhead it slick looking. For me, I don't really need a true quad rail as i doubt I'll put anything on it other than a vertical grip. I like the sleeker lines of these configurable rail systems. Now you just muddied the waters even more. :D

did you follow the arfcom link and check out the barrel nut design? That's what sold me... if I gotta change a barrel nut out, THAT'S the nut I want to put on! beefy and slim, no gas port timing issues!

And I likewise don't need a quad... I want lightweight. Quad rail with an accessory on the end of it on a 20" rifle and the damed thing start7 getting hard to shoot offhand, too much weight on the end.

[Chainsaw13]

Wow, that is a beefy barrel nut. I'd probably get the drop in model, cause I too am lazy and don't have the proper tools to change it out.

[spectrrr]

I don't have the right tools either.... but that's never stopped me from getting into trouble before :noon