First Firearm Thread.

[spectrrr]

Nice justin, what kinda a price did you find it at?

Gettin ready to list some PMP .223 ammo tonight on gunbroker. Figure I can rebuy it next year :)

[emopunker2004]

90 bucks plus like 7 shipping, orderd it 12/27

[spectrrr]

not too bad in this market :)

I've got 1200 rnds of IMI m193 coming in from wideners next week. paid .50 a round for it, shipped. Figure if I can sell 1000 rnds of PMP for .80 a round and clear .72/rnd after fees, I'll be ahead of the game :)

[emopunker2004]

just keep in mind that ammo doesnt ship cheap and it has to go to a UPS hub to ship, UPS store won't do it. make sure you declare it and get the proper ORM-D on the package

[spectrrr]

mmm, HUB ONLY ehh... I'll have to check, I'm pretty sure there's one 5 minutes from the UPS store I go to normally... I found what they're calling a "UPS Customer Center" on the camp... only open from 4pm-6pm on weekdays, sounds promising...

Same story with guns I take it? Hub only?

Maybe I'll wait to list the ammo till I check tomorrow.....

[emopunker2004]

Not sure on guns. Those may have to go USPS of some sort. The reason the ammo has to go UPS ground is because of the HAZMAT issues with flying it. Might wanna try listing the ammo and guns on armslist or something similar locally to save on having to ship it and stuff.


Cancelled my order with Grafs for 200rds of 7.62x54R and bought this instead :D
http://1d4ac1cec1295d2d4315-90ef6583188be1d16f88bf1ef8d09832.r98.cf2.rackcdn.c om/aim/product/a76254b.jpg
http://1d4ac1cec1295d2d4315-90ef6583188be1d16f88bf1ef8d09832.r98.cf2.rackcdn.c om/aim/product/a76254str4.jpg

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=A76254B

[Robulous78]

Evening Justin, Francis and the rest... What guns shall we talk about tonight? :D

[spectrrr]

nice pickup there, looks like it's in awesome shape :tu
I never did get a Mosin...

mmm, hazmat... lol, cuz the ammo is going to spontaneously combust under the altitude change, lol....

Good suggestion for armslist, can always try there... I'm guessing there's more suckers on gunbroker though :)

[emopunker2004]

It's 1970s manufacture but yeh it's packed in those hermetically sealed spam cans, **** stays in amazing shape. Thats why i like how my 200rds of 5.56 came in that battle pack. Sealed thick plastic. I could put it in my toilet tank to hide it if i want :r

[jluck]

Do any of you guys run a non mil spec trigger in your AR(s)? I am looking at drop In's and wanted your input.

[spectrrr]

I've got a few spam cans of 7.62x39mm, love it, never have to worry about the ammo ever. LOL, don't think it would last long in the toilet tank though :r

Normally I just pack it into 50 cal cans w/ a few silica packets. If the seal looks good, I'll rub a little white lithium grease on it and close her up. If the seal looks like it's getting on in a years, I'll scrap off the top layer of rubber and crud with a butter knife, then spread some black silicone rubber gasket maker in a line around the edge. Give it an hour or two to mostly dry, and then close her on up. Worked great so far to preserve any ammo I've got laying around.

[spectrrr]

Do any of you guys run a non mil spec trigger in your AR(s)? I am looking at drop In's and wanted your input.

I don't, not yet... been looking at a drop in as well.

I think you'll find this very helpful:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/366464_Trigger_Fire_Control_Groups_tested_and_eval uated___the_and_34_BESTand_34__trigger_for_you___. html

[emopunker2004]

Do any of you guys run a non mil spec trigger in your AR(s)? I am looking at drop In's and wanted your input.

Not I. I run a mil-spec, and always will.

[jluck]

I don't, not yet... been looking at a drop in as well.

I think you'll find this very helpful:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/366464_Trigger_Fire_Control_Groups_tested_and_eval uated___the_and_34_BESTand_34__trigger_for_you___. html


Wow! lots of info there, Thanks.
Not I. I run a mil-spec, and always will.

Why?

[emopunker2004]

Why?

Cuz mil-spec works. It's going to be a defense/offense weapon, not a paper puncher or precision rifle. Mil-spec is all I need, I'd rather spend the money elsewhere on my rifle or use it to buy ammo. :2

[Robulous78]

So... anyone know of a cheaper .357 stub? I have been wanting one for a while now and seems 375 - 400 is the best I have seen... thoughts?

[spectrrr]

Triggers depend a lot on use. For a defensive or offensive gun, yeah, mil spec all the way. I want a little bit of two stage creep in my pull.

if I was shooting high power matches, then I'd use something appropriate for that (just a lightened/refined mil spec I think).

I'm thinking of shooting 3gun - when I start that, then I'll likely put in a single stage drop in. Why? because it fits the 3gun need.
I wouldn't prefer that gun for use as a home defense gun however. I might just stick the 3gun upper onto a spare mil-spec lower at home in between matches. A light single stage hair trigger is the last thing you want on a home gun.

[emopunker2004]

So... anyone know of a cheaper .357 stub? I have been wanting one for a while now and seems 375 - 400 is the best I have seen... thoughts?

OOS but
http://www.impactguns.com/charter-arms-mag-pug-357mag-2in-ported-stainless-steel-73520-678958735208.aspx

[Robulous78]

VERY interesting.... know anything about the company? Impact-Guns?

[emopunker2004]

impact guns is legit. I used to own that model of CA revolver and it worked just fine.

[Robulous78]

CA? whats that mean?

[emopunker2004]

Charter Arms

[TNT009]

Saw a few sites with Mapuls magazines in stock for $40, no thanks!

[bonjing]

Do any of you guys run a non mil spec trigger in your AR(s)? I am looking at drop In's and wanted your input.

I run Giessele in almost all my ar's. I use the SSA on anything that I consider a fighting gun and SSA-E on the play stuff. The others are stock two stage triggers from LMT and Armalite. All are non adjustable triggers. I chose non adjustable triggers for less parts to go wrong. I like the feel and control of two stage triggers. It all comes down to personal preference though.

[emopunker2004]

Just estimated my income tax, looks like we'll get back about $2200 this year. :D
We always split that 50/50 so I'll have about $1100 of fun/gun money whenever my FIL gets around to doing his and our taxes

[Remo]

VERY interesting.... know anything about the company? Impact-Guns?

Impact is legit, local company here in Utah. Bought my Sgt. A 357 from them when he retired.

[emopunker2004]

Hey Mikey! Hmm what to spend $1100 on...lol

Aimpoint PRO $380
Troy Forend for AR $190ish
Magpul Front BUS $40
______________________________
$610

So $500 for a shotgun and ammo...lol
Or $730 if I just get the Aimpoint.

[Remo]

Hey Mikey! Hmm what to spend $1100 on...lol

Coke and whores :sh. I kid, I kid :r

[Robulous78]

Word... Thanks Mike... I like the look of their stub .357 ...

The .357 has always been a favorite of mine... a lot of punch and the gun doesn't have to be massive like the .44 mag... you throw in you can also shoot or alternate rounds between .357 and .38 and it has my favor...

Any other rounds you guys love or suggest I look into? I have shot most of the standard sizes... .380 /9mm /9mm kurd / .40 / .45 / .38/ .357 mag/ .44 mag...

Im interested in the 10mm.... anyone have anything to say about it?

[Remo]

Not shot a 10mm but hear good things.

[emopunker2004]

Better get into reloading if you want 10mm.
1) Pricey
2) Alot of the 10mm loads on the market are underloaded and not maximizing it's potential

Mike I edited my post to say:
Aimpoint PRO $380
Troy Forend for AR $190ish
Magpul Front BUS $40
______________________________
$610

So $500 for a shotgun and ammo...lol
Or $730 if I just get the Aimpoint.

Hm I wouldn't mind a 30-30 Lever Action either

[Robulous78]

I haven't shot one either but if its pricey and underpowered I think I'll just pass...

[emopunker2004]

I haven't shot one either but if its pricey and underpowered I think I'll just pass...

10mm is a powerful cartridge, but if you reload you can make it better. Think .40 S&W on roids.

[Robulous78]

I really didn't notice too much of a difference between the .40 S&W to the 9mm... maybe alittle more punch but not so much that I would go out and buy a .40 over a 9mm... 9mm is cheaper anyway...

[emopunker2004]

you cant go by recoil. let your buddy shoot u with each and see which you like least :r

[Robulous78]

lol... I take it you have looked into the actual ballistics... what is the real difference?

[emopunker2004]

Here, go watch. http://www.youtube.com/user/tnoutdoors9/videos?view=0
Nice tests galore.
Either will kill with good shot placement. If you can shoot the 40 as good as the 9 and get good follow up shots, go with the bigger bullet. :2

[Remo]

Another downside I have heard about the 10mm is that they do have some serious recoil and are a bit hard to control.

[emopunker2004]

Just make sure you hit the 1st time :r

[spectrrr]

Hey Mikey! Hmm what to spend $1100 on...lol

Aimpoint PRO $380
Troy Forend for AR $190ish
Magpul Front BUS $40
______________________________
$610

So $500 for a shotgun and ammo...lol
Or $730 if I just get the Aimpoint.


Take a look at the Diamondhead VR-S rail. I think that's going on mine. I like the look, and I particularly like the way they designed their barrel nut - no timing issues, looks sturdy as heck.

Here's some close ups of the mounting system and the rail: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/580422_Diamondhead_V_RS_T_Angular_Handguard.html

Just keep in mine that the inches measurement is for the TOP rail. Add a little over an inch for the bottom.

Samson evolution has good reviews too, but good luck finding one in stock :)

[emopunker2004]

I'm gonna go with a Samson/raniner evolution if I find one or the Troy alpha.
Think I might just get one of the nef/hawk/norinco 870 clone shotguns. They're great for the money.

[spectrrr]

I'm gonna go with a Samson/raniner evolution if I find one or the Troy alpha.
Think I might just get one of the nef/hawk/norinco 870 clone shotguns. They're great for the money.

/I was looking for the samson quite a bit, couldn't find one. Found a few midwest SS ones though. And it seems diamondhead is more in stock than others, so now I don't have to look :)

$200 is a great pice for a shotty. I've been thinking about one of those myself. Also been looking at a 930 semi auto..

[Digs]

Another downside I have heard about the 10mm is that they do have some serious recoil and are a bit hard to control.

Mike I am 10 mm guy, 10 has no worse recoil then .40 s&w (short & weak, ha-ha) or a small 9.

If I loaded up all my Glocks from G17 thru G30 the only one that stands out is the G27 (.40) the recoil is tad bit sharper. My 10mm Colt Delta has = recoil to my .45 Colt Gold CUP.

[Digs]

I really didn't notice too much of a difference between the .40 S&W to the 9mm... maybe alittle more punch but not so much that I would go out and buy a .40 over a 9mm... 9mm is cheaper anyway...


Rob if I were going to buy a .40 I would rather the 10mm like Justin pointed out. A lot of std FMJ ammo for 10 has a tendency to not coming close to living up to its potential (because men have turned in pus-ies) But the is a difference in 180 gr. 40 cal is around 1000 fps /350 ft/lbs vs. 200 gr. 10mm is 1050 fps 490 ft/lbs.

The 10mm has the capability to stomp the nuts off the .40, there is good 10mm ammo out there if you are looking for a top level performer. :tu

[emopunker2004]

Got my pj holster in for my kahr cw45. Time to carry it to pick up some dinner. :D

[Robulous78]

Rob if I were going to buy a .40 I would rather the 10mm like Justin pointed out. A lot of std FMJ ammo for 10 has a tendency to not coming close to living up to its potential (because men have turned in pus-ies) But the is a difference in 180 gr. 40 cal is around 1000 fps /350 ft/lbs vs. 200 gr. 10mm is 1050 fps 490 ft/lbs.

The 10mm has the capability to stomp the nuts off the .40, there is good 10mm ammo out there if you are looking for a top level performer. :tu

Was just curious about the round really... thanks for the info...:tu I wonder, is it really expensive to get started in reloading?

[spectrrr]

Talked to my moms landlady today, who decided to launch into conversation about the letter she wrote Obama with her idea for solving the "problem" we've got now...

She came up with what I thought for a split second was going to be a good idea. She correctly deduced that guns don't kill people. (imagine that)........ BULLETS DO. So to hell with gun control, she's pro gun... but doesn't feel safe around bullets. *DOH* She wants a little portable detector, maybe something that can go in her cell phone, so she can be alerted to the presence of bullets, that way she can leave the room.

I pointed out the pitfalls of increasing ammo costs to the point where people could not afford to train to a level of proficient safety (amongst many other things), and she said "GOOD!!" But don't worry, she's not anti-gun, and doesn't even know why I'm talking about them when she's only talking about bullets.

*sigh* Ron White said it best...
http://www.cmt.com/sitewide/assets/img/showlogos/ron_white/423x100.jpg

[Col. Kurtz]

Natchez seems to have hi-caps in stock. c-products 30 rounders...

[spectrrr]

I need to track down a Black Dog 50rd drum for the 15-22... bump firing empties the 25rd mags too quickly :tg

[emopunker2004]

Here's the new holster.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8329/8434256138_c074b3d0a9_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8434256138/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8434256138/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8434263642_243ce8f6f3_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8434263642/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8434263642/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

And his maker mark, must be new as my last holster didn't have one.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8517/8433162227_0706857a6b_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8433162227/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8433162227/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[CigarSquid]

How does it hold up Justin? Looks like a weird design for the clip.

[emopunker2004]

It's all kydex and it just clips over your pants and belt. You pick a clip size based on the width of your belt 1.5" or 1.75". It's all molded from once piece of kydex

[CigarSquid]

Nice. Sturdy then, huh?

[Chainsaw13]

Since I'm new to the whole AR world, if I were to find a slightly used one that fits what I'm looking for, what questions should I ask the seller? I'm looking at a varmint style, so don't know if that makes any difference. Should also add, more than likely this would be done online, so I wouldn't be able to handle it before hand.

[emopunker2004]

Nice. Sturdy then, huh?

Yep and light.

[emopunker2004]

Since I'm new to the whole AR world, if I were to find a slightly used one that fits what I'm looking for, what questions should I ask the seller? I'm looking at a varmint style, so don't know if that makes any difference. Should also add, more than likely this would be done online, so I wouldn't be able to handle it before hand.

1. Chrome bore/chamber?
2. Semi-or M16 Bolt carrier group? (It will fire semi either way but the m16 bcg is heavier and typically runs better, not a deal breaker either way)
3. Round count?
4. What kind of trigger?

Why not get a regular style AR and just use it to varmint hunt?

Prepare to pay a pretty penny in this market regardless.

[spectrrr]

good deal on a budget rifle case here if anyone needs one.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001MYETTQ/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=slickguns-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B001MYETTQ&adid=16VKFPWQ6DWHFNHBX9YG

bear in mind that won't fit AR rifles too well.... at least not with any substantial optics mounted on them.....

[emopunker2004]

I think this is what I'll buy with some of the tax return money
http://store.ar15.com/product.html?cat=24&pr=305

And this shotgun
http://grabagun.com/long-guns/shotguns-1/pump/iac-982-12-18-5-grs-syn-pump.html

[Chainsaw13]

Why not get a regular style AR and just use it to varmint hunt?

Prepare to pay a pretty penny in this market regardless.

Well, that's where logic goes out the window. I kinda fell in love with the Varmint style look a few years back. Always thought it would be cool to get one. Fast forward to today's situation and now I have this desire to get one. Unfortunately I seem to have the worst sense of timing. I'm in no rush, the right deal would have to come along for me to pull the trigger (ha!).

[emopunker2004]

Might be better to wait it out then.
My lgs had complete stag lowers for 400

[Blueface]

Yep and light.

Just got my shipping notice from Paul.
He is now running five weeks due to demand.
Getting ready to order my fourth from him.

[emopunker2004]

Just got my shipping notice from Paul.
He is now running five weeks due to demand.
Getting ready to order my fourth from him.

:tu ill wind up with a mag holder I'm sure

[Blueface]

:tu ill wind up with a mag holder I'm sure

I have always ordered one with the holster since all orders have been a first for that particular gun.

[Digs]

Since I'm new to the whole AR world, if I were to find a slightly used one that fits what I'm looking for, what questions should I ask the seller? I'm looking at a varmint style, so don't know if that makes any difference. Should also add, more than likely this would be done online, so I wouldn't be able to handle it before hand.

Most important to me would be to ask if its was an actual rifle or it was put together from parts. Right now though if its a pieces and parts rifle vs. a good quality AR (LMT-Bravo Co, Colt, Knights armament, Daniel Defense, Spikes, Yankee Hill Machine, Saber Defense, forgetting a few) Prices are to the moon I would hold off for little unless you must have one now.

[Blueface]

Most important to me would be to ask if its was an actual rifle or it was put together from parts. Right now though if its a pieces and parts rifle vs. a good quality AR (LMT-Bravo Co, Colt, Knights armament, Daniel Defense, Spikes, Yankee Hill Machine, Saber Defense, forgetting a few) Prices are to the moon I would hold off for little unless you must have one now.

Yeah, my M&P 15. :D

[Chainsaw13]

Yea, I"ve been looking for a RockRiver or CMMG setup.

[bonjing]

Yea, I"ve been looking for a RockRiver or CMMG setup.

Not bad from either company, but if I was purchasing any used upper, I'd be a little hesitant if I couldn't see it first. Reason is I'd like to be able to check the crown for any damage and wear to any other parts. Brand new I'd have no worries as I can deal with the company to fix any issues.

[spectrrr]

Interesting... had 100 rnds of 12ga target loads on order from sportsmans guide... last week the backorder got extended into june (ugh)... but it just shipped today! First time they've ever been early on something...

[emopunker2004]

Interesting... had 100 rnds of 12ga target loads on order from sportsmans guide... last week the backorder got extended into june (ugh)... but it just shipped today! First time they've ever been early on something...

Yeh I hear bad things about them

[emopunker2004]

My spam can of x54r shipped today from aim

[emopunker2004]

These came today... Monte 4's

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8218/8436939114_f63e1f29e7_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8436939114/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8436939114/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Ogre]

Figured out why my shooting was off, my grip was way all wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/iDnEkFS...amp;autoplay=1

[emopunker2004]

Figured out why my shooting was off, my grip was way all wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/iDnEkFS...amp;autoplay=1

video linking fail larry

[Ogre]

Try this one

http://www.youtube.com/embed/iDnEkFSMRik?rel=0&vq=medium&autoplay=1

[emopunker2004]

How were you holding it? Were you "tea cupping"?

[Steelerfanatic]

Here, go watch. http://www.youtube.com/user/tnoutdoors9/videos?view=0
Nice tests galore.
Either will kill with good shot placement. If you can shoot the 40 as good as the 9 and get good follow up shots, go with the bigger bullet. :2


You just cost me a few hundred bucks and a couple hours of my day. :D.

Thanks for the link!

[emopunker2004]

You just cost me a few hundred bucks and a couple hours of my day. :D.

Thanks for the link!

:r:r:banger

What did u buy?:po

[Steelerfanatic]

:r:r:banger

What did u buy?:po

A couple hundred rounds of Federal 147 grain 9mm. I had to buy that many to make the shipping cost worth it. :D

[CigarSquid]

A couple hundred rounds of Federal 147 grain 9mm. I had to buy that many to make the shipping cost worth it. :D

Where did you get it from

[Steelerfanatic]

Where did you get it from

http://www.ammunitiondepot.com/9MM-Subsonic-Ammunition-s/1884.htm

A hell of a deal at 35 per 50 count box if you ask me.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Ordered a Glock 20 SF today, plus some Double Tap ammo. I'm excited to get out to the range with it:noon

[Digs]

Ordered a Glock 20 SF today, plus some Double Tap ammo. I'm excited to get out to the range with it:noon

Good choice, haha just picked up all the Ted Nugent ammo Cableas had on the shelf less then $20 per box! The double tap is decent what grain did you get?

[emopunker2004]

Ok it's official I hate Gander Mountain with a passion! I called up there today and asked if they had a specific shotgun in stock. They said yep sure do. Drove the 30 min drive there. Get there and they never had it in stock. ****ing cocksuckers! Waste of an hour and gas! Never going there again, I'll pay more to go elsewhere before I buy there again.

[CigarSquid]

Ok it's official I hate Gander Mountain with a passion! I called up there today and asked if they had a specific shotgun in stock. They said yep sure do. Drove the 30 min drive there. Get there and they never had it in stock. ****ing cocksuckers! Waste of an hour and gas! Never going there again, I'll pay more to go elsewhere before I buy there again.

That is BS. I wouldn't have left peacefully. I would have gave them some of my mind.

[emopunker2004]

That is BS. I wouldn't have left peacefully. I would have gave them some of my mind.

Yeh I wasn't happy but I just left and won't be back.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Good choice, haha just picked up all the Ted Nugent ammo Cableas had on the shelf less then $20 per box! The double tap is decent what grain did you get?

180 grain and 135. I want to get some Underwood ammo, too bad they are out. Also looking to get some cheaper range ammo.

[spectrrr]

took an AR upper out for a spin today. 20" barrel, looks like good quality barrel, used, don't know anything else about it. Shot a 1.25" MOA group at 100yds from a shaky table & bipod, at dusk.... got a feeling that group will get a hell of a lot smaller on a solid bench, I could see the crossshair in the scope bouncing up and down... Looking forward to a proper range day someday to really shake it out.

[emopunker2004]

Looks like ill be driving 1.5 hrs to palatka to Walmart on Tuesday if they still have the shotgun I want...

[spectrrr]

still lookin at getting a $200 chinese 870 clone?

[emopunker2004]

yep

[elderboy02]

Ordered a Glock 20 SF today, plus some Double Tap ammo. I'm excited to get out to the range with it:noon

Nice! I love the Double Tap ammo in my G20 :tu

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Nice! I love the Double Tap ammo in my G20 :tu

I need to get a light for it and some night sights Dan. Any thoughts on what to get? As far as a light, I'm looking at the Surefire X300 ultra, but I don't know if I can get a similar light for less money.

[DPD6030]

Well when the company ships it I'll be an owner of a Rock Island Armory compact tactical .45 :banger

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

If anyone comes across any places with Glock 20 full mags in stock, shoot me a message please. :tu

[Digs]

I need to get a light for it and some night sights Dan. Any thoughts on what to get? As far as a light, I'm looking at the Surefire X300 ultra, but I don't know if I can get a similar light for less money.

I use this Streamlight TLR 1s, led 160 lumen
It was like$85 from my local Cabela's

[emopunker2004]

Well when the company ships it I'll be an owner of a Rock Island Armory compact tactical .45 :banger

:banger:

Where from




Well I drove down to Palatka today and they only had one of the 12gauges I wanted but it was sold pending a NICS callback, lady called and they approved so no go :sad
Off to gainesville tomorrow to get one I guess...

[spectrrr]

:banger:

Where from




Well I drove down to Palatka today and they only had one of the 12gauges I wanted but it was sold pending a NICS callback, lady called and they approved so no go :sad
Off to gainesville tomorrow to get one I guess...

sounds like after gas, it would have been cheaper to pay shipping and the FFL transfer fee to buy it online....

[emopunker2004]

yep. its all good. i'm going to gainesville to get one from a small gun shop. it'd be cheaper to do it online but i'd rather support small business

[spectrrr]

yep. its all good. i'm going to gainesville to get one from a small gun shop. it'd be cheaper to do it online but i'd rather support small business

Can't argue with you there :tu

[emopunker2004]

I figure if it's a WANT then I can afford to pay a little more to support a small business.

[spectrrr]

What's the average pull on a normal mil spec AR trigger? Tested mine today, it was reading about 5lbs 10oz average... that sound about right? It didn't feel like a two stage match, just a bunch of mush and then the break.

I think I'm going to sell my complete lower (lightly used) and my AR style BCG (also barely used) tomorrow on gun broker. Since the upper shot between a 1.06 and 1.7 MOA from a shaky bipod at dusk (barrel NOT free floated), I think I'll keep the upper, and stick a 15" float tube on it. Seems like a nice quality barrel....

Already got that Serenity lower, and the Umbrella lower coming, so no need for the old lower. And I've got two M16 BCGs from boise tactical coming in 3 weeks, so no need for the BCG...
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[spectrrr]

I figure if it's a WANT then I can afford to pay a little more to support a small business.

Buuuuut wal-mart isn't a small business :tg
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[emopunker2004]

Buuuuut wal-mart isn't a small business :tg
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Not going to Walmart tomorrow, going to a gun shop in Gainesvulle :fu

[emopunker2004]

What's the average pull on a normal mil spec AR trigger? Tested mine today, it was reading about 5lbs 10oz average... that sound about right? It didn't feel like a two stage match, just a bunch of mush and then the break.

I think I'm going to sell my complete lower (lightly used) and my AR style BCG (also barely used) tomorrow on gun broker. Since the upper shot between a 1.06 and 1.7 MOA from a shaky bipod at dusk (barrel NOT free floated), I think I'll keep the upper, and stick a 15" float tube on it. Seems like a nice quality barrel....

Already got that Serenity lower, and the Umbrella lower coming, so no need for the old lower. And I've got two M16 BCGs from boise tactical coming in 3 weeks, so no need for the BCG...
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The spec is 5.5-8.5 lbs

[spectrrr]

Not going to Walmart tomorrow, going to a gun shop in Gainesvulle :fu

buuuuuut you went to wal-mart first, today :fu

[spectrrr]

The spec is 5.5-8.5 lbs

mmm, sounds like that's what the trigger is then, a normal mil spec... to gunbroker with it then :)

Now I just gotta find time to put the LPK I got into the Serenity lower...

[emopunker2004]

buuuuuut you went to wal-mart first, today :fu

Yeh well i didnt know this place had them so :sl

Walmart did have a whole pallet of federal birdshot sitting out though :r

[spectrrr]

lol, someone got in an ammo shipment :)

[emopunker2004]

Boom!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8444424247_2a202d6cdf_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8444424247/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8444424247/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[spectrrr]

nice :tu :)

[elderboy02]

I need to get a light for it and some night sights Dan. Any thoughts on what to get? As far as a light, I'm looking at the Surefire X300 ultra, but I don't know if I can get a similar light for less money.

Not sure. I have the factory ones on mine. My G20 is a 2nd generation, and they are still bright as heck.

[emopunker2004]

Tlr1 or tlr1-s for light.
For night sights I like the tru-glo TFO

[bonjing]

Just became a life member of the NRA!

[Blueface]

Not sure if addressed somewhere on this thread.
Can someone compile a list of quality lower manufacturers so I can hopefully eventually get one when prices and if prices get back to some level of normalcy?

[elderboy02]

Just became a life member of the NRA!

Welcome to the Lifer club! :tu

[Blueface]

Also, what is an "ammo grade" lower?

[elderboy02]

Not sure if addressed somewhere on this thread.
Can someone compile a list of quality lower manufacturers so I can hopefully eventually get one when prices and if prices get back to some level of normalcy?

Here you go Carlos :tu : http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/318113_AR_Lower_Receiver_FAQ__56k_beware__MMS__CMT __LAR__LMT_compared___.html

[Islayphile]

Just became a life member of the NRA!

Welcome to the Lifer club! :tu

Indeed...welcome aboard!

[Blueface]

Here you go Carlos :tu : http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/318113_AR_Lower_Receiver_FAQ__56k_beware__MMS__CMT __LAR__LMT_compared___.html

Holy crap!
Is there a consolidated list on there?:r
I was thinking of sitting on PSA and catch one of theirs.
I am not as lucky as Francis to be able to nail down one of those Umbrella Industries one. That is sweet!

[bonjing]

Also, what is an "ammo grade" lower?

Never heard the term, sorry.

But as far as lowers go, you really can't go wrong with any of the major manufactures now, just remember all of the big boys can put out a bad lower here and there. Just my opinion, get the lower with the logo you like best, before all the craziness that's just what I did.

[Blueface]

Never heard the term, sorry.

But as far as lowers go, you really can't go wrong with any of the major manufactures now, just remember all of the big boys can put out a bad lower here and there. Just my opinion, get the lower with the logo you like best, before all the craziness that's just what I did.

I read to get forged instead of billet.
I don't think under $100 days will be back any time soon so have set my max at $150 and see if I can nail one or two for future builds.

[bonjing]

I have to admit though, I've seen a few billet lowers and they do like nice.

[Digs]

I read to get forged instead of billet.
I don't think under $100 days will be back any time soon so have set my max at $150 and see if I can nail one or two for future builds.

Carlos my opinion on PSA is they are equal to DPMS so they wouldn’t be on my list, from what I have noticed sale price seems to be there biggest selling feature. There are many that own these products and are happy because they fit the budget and that’s great, I wish every hard working, tax paying stable American had and AR in there home. But when I purchase AR parts
accessories price really isn’t much of a concern because I always look at as would I trust my life to on in a SHTF scenario, also when you build a pieces and parts rifle the value is in the sum of the parts, so buy good stuff haha (under normal times)

Noveske-LMT-Spikes-Bravo-Colt to name a few would be my 1st choices (once again leaving quite a few out)

[Blueface]

Carlos my opinion on PSA is they are equal to DPMS so they wouldn’t be on my list, from what I have noticed sale price seems to be there biggest selling feature. There are many that own these products and are happy because they fit the budget and that’s great, I wish every hard working, tax paying stable American had and AR in there home. But when I purchase AR parts
accessories price really isn’t much of a concern because I always look at as would I trust my life to on in a SHTF scenario, also when you build a pieces and parts rifle the value is in the sum of the parts, so buy good stuff haha (under normal times)

Noveske-LMT-Spikes-Bravo-Colt to name a few would be my 1st choices (once again leaving quite a few out)

Great to know and agree on buying good stuff.

[bonjing]

Carlos my opinion on PSA is they are equal to DPMS so they wouldn’t be on my list, from what I have noticed sale price seems to be there biggest selling feature. There are many that own these products and are happy because they fit the budget and that’s great, I wish every hard working, tax paying stable American had and AR in there home. But when I purchase AR parts
accessories price really isn’t much of a concern because I always look at as would I trust my life to on in a SHTF scenario, also when you build a pieces and parts rifle the value is in the sum of the parts, so buy good stuff haha (under normal times)

Noveske-LMT-Spikes-Bravo-Colt to name a few would be my 1st choices (once again leaving quite a few out)

Curious as why you would say that PSA is bottom barrel stuff when their uppers (most) are using the same specifications as the "big boys?"

from their website:

Barrel length 16"
Hammer Forged Barrel
Machine Gun Steel (made by FN)
5.56 Nato Chamber
1 in 7" twist
Double-thick Chrome-lined bore and chamber
A2 profile
M4 feedramps
Forged upper
T-marks

regarding their barrels:

Barrel: A proprietary blend of Hammer forged chrome molly vanadium made by FN that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" by virtue of its use in FN's M249 and M240 weapons. The hammer forging process work hardens the steel, making it more durable. In addition, the chrome process for the bore allows for a lining almost twice as thick as a standard M16 for enhanced durability. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1/7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a Mid-length gas system. A2 style profile barrel is Mil-spec phosphate coated, High Pressure tested and Magnetic Particle inspected. Barrel is finished off with an F-marked front sight post with sling swivel, standard handguards and an A2 flash hider.

And the prices on them before the panic were under $800 complete

[Blueface]

Anyone know these guys?
They are not too far from me and $149 given market is not bad at all.
http://coderedfirearms.com/

[bonjing]

Never heard of them, but I think the logo is cool.

[Blueface]

I think the logo is cool.

Me too.
Good price, cool logo, close by.
6-8 week wait not terribe.

[bonjing]

The hardest part to tell is whether or not the lower is in spec until you build it and test the function out, or take measurements. I bought a local company's lower and it was just a tad out of spec in the mag well creating a tight fit for mags.

[Digs]

Curious as why you would say that PSA is bottom barrel stuff when their uppers (most) are using the same specifications as the "big boys?"

from their website:

Barrel length 16"
Hammer Forged Barrel
Machine Gun Steel (made by FN)
5.56 Nato Chamber
1 in 7" twist
Double-thick Chrome-lined bore and chamber
A2 profile
M4 feedramps
Forged upper
T-marks

regarding their barrels:

Barrel: A proprietary blend of Hammer forged chrome molly vanadium made by FN that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" by virtue of its use in FN's M249 and M240 weapons. The hammer forging process work hardens the steel, making it more durable. In addition, the chrome process for the bore allows for a lining almost twice as thick as a standard M16 for enhanced durability. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1/7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a Mid-length gas system. A2 style profile barrel is Mil-spec phosphate coated, High Pressure tested and Magnetic Particle inspected. Barrel is finished off with an F-marked front sight post with sling swivel, standard handguards and an A2 flash hider.

And the prices on them before the panic were under $800 complete

Greg, I said "my opinion " or perception is that of lower price AR's. It comes form all the horrible looking GunShow ar's I see at shows wearing Chinese knock off furniture and cheap wana be Aimpoint optics are usually PSA or similar. I prefer to take the $800 for purchasing a PSA a putting toward a better brand you know the "big boys" ;)

[MurphysLaw]

New custom concealed carry belt has been ordered, should go nicely with the custom leather OWB holster I'll be receiving in a couple weeks :tu

[76GTFan]

Just got a Romanian WASR. Yeah laugh it up. Those things fire, and I wasn't concerned with looks. I will get a new stock and pistol grip.

[jluck]

Carlos my opinion on PSA is they are equal to DPMS so they wouldn’t be on my list, from what I have noticed sale price seems to be there biggest selling feature. There are many that own these products and are happy because they fit the budget and that’s great, I wish every hard working, tax paying stable American had and AR in there home. But when I purchase AR parts
accessories price really isn’t much of a concern because I always look at as would I trust my life to on in a SHTF scenario, also when you build a pieces and parts rifle the value is in the sum of the parts, so buy good stuff haha (under normal times)

Noveske-LMT-Spikes-Bravo-Colt to name a few would be my 1st choices (once again leaving quite a few out)

I'm guessing things have changed since the list on AR-15.com was made?
LAR = Grizzly, Bushmaster (L Prefix), Ameetech, (?)DPMS, CMMG, Double Star, Fulton, Spike's Tactical, Noveske (new)

I think I am missing something.

[spectrrr]

yeah, that list was made 5 years ago ;)

[Digs]

yeah, that list was made 5 years ago ;)

You took the words out of my mouth :tu

[jluck]

One should not use that list for accurate info then, I guess.

[bonjing]

Greg, I said "my opinion " or perception is that of lower price AR's. It comes form all the horrible looking GunShow ar's I see at shows wearing Chinese knock off furniture and cheap wana be Aimpoint optics are usually PSA or similar. I prefer to take the $800 for purchasing a PSA a putting toward a better brand you know the "big boys" ;)

I completely agree with you, with not putting any cheap knockoff stuff on my AR's. I will admit to using Midwest Industries on 1 of my AR's, that's going to change when I get the chance:D. Are you maybe mistaking "PSA" Palmetto State Armory, with "PA" Primary Arms? It's hard to control what a person will add/change to the item when it's at a gunshow. Heck I've seen a supposed DD upper mounted with cheap knock off optics at gunshow's myself.

What I see in PSA is that they started out like Bravo Company, offering quality parts with all the same specifications as LMT, Daniel Defense, Colt and others. Now BCM is considered one of the top tier manufactures out there. I don't know what the future holds for PSA but I hope they continue the trend of offering top quality products at a reasonable price point. Like I pointed out PSA offers the same specifications as the top tier manufactures do.

[emopunker2004]

I love my PSA midlength upper. Runs like a champ! :tu

[bonjing]

One more thing to point out, I'm only comparing uppers. Below I made bold the same feature from both companies.

From Noveske's website listed at about $800:


16" Cold Hammer Forged 5.56mm Barrel
--M249 Machine Gun barrel steel and Chrome Lining (appx. 2 times as thick as an M4 or M16)
--Extended Feed Ramps
--Same weight as M4 barrel with improved contour for maximum rigidity and no M203 notch
--MP HP tested
--1 in 7" twist
--Mil Spec Phosphate finish
--Mid length gas system
--1/2x28 threads
--Fixed front sight base, F marked
--Flat-top upper receiver
--Mid length A2 type handguards
--Shot peened and MP tested bolt
--Auto carrier with properly staked carrier key
--Gun Fighter Charging Handle
--Blackout Flash Suppressor
--Back up iron sight not included
Upper Weight: 4 1/4 lbs

From PSA all for about $600 (maybe cheaper) before all the madness:

Barrel length 16"
Hammer Forged Barrel
Machine Gun Steel
5.56 Nato Chamber
1 in 7" twist
Double-thick Chrome-lined bore and chamber
A2 profile
M4 feedramps
Forged upper
T-marks

Barrel: A proprietary blend of Hammer forged chrome molly vanadium made by FN that is referred to as "Machine Gun Steel" by virtue of its use in FN's M249 and M240 weapons. The hammer forging process work hardens the steel, making it more durable. In addition, the chrome process for the bore allows for a lining almost twice as thick as a standard M16 for enhanced durability. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1/7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a Mid-length gas system. A2 style profile barrel is Mil-spec phosphate coated, High Pressure tested and Magnetic Particle inspected. Barrel is finished off with an F-marked front sight post with sling swivel, standard handguards and an A2 flash hider.

Upper: Forged 7075-T6 A3 AR upper is made to MIL-SPECS and hard coat anodized black for durability. Featuring machined T marks, and a mil-spec finish. These uppers are made for us right here in the USA by a mil-spec manufacturer, and are marked with the Palmetto State Armory logo on the left side, up front, just below the rail.

PSA also offers the same bolt specifications as Noveske's bolt.

[emopunker2004]

Yeh the only real reason I'd get a Noveske or DD is resale value. Period.

[jluck]

I took the muzzle loader out today for a couple hours, That's just good fun.

[emopunker2004]

I took the muzzle loader out today for a couple hours, That's just good fun.

:tu

Gonna hit up the LGS tomorrow while the wife is at the doc. Need to pick up a case of 12ga shells to go shooting on the 16th. I'll just get whatever cheap birdshot they have.

[spectrrr]

I need to find some cheap slugs.... Don't have any in stock... I hate not having a little in stock of the basics...

[emopunker2004]

I need to find some cheap slugs.... Don't have any in stock... I hate not having a little in stock of the basics...

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php?cPath=120_259_206&filter_id=&sort=8a

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/57931

http://policehq.com/Products/FC-127.RS

http://policehq.com/Products/FC-127LE

http://policehq.com/Products/FC-127LEB

[spectrrr]

.80 cents a round.. can't argue much with that. :tu

[emopunker2004]

yeh not too bad. not like you're gonna use it for target practice :r

[spectrrr]

yeh not too bad. not like you're gonna use it for target practice :r

Probably will at some point :tg

I hate hunting with a shotgun.. was always more of a rifle man myself...

[emopunker2004]

Probably will at some point :tg

I hate hunting with a shotgun.. was always more of a rifle man myself...

So hunt with a rifle...

[spectrrr]

So hunt with a rifle...

Can't in Ohio :/

[emopunker2004]

WTF? What kinda bullshit is that? Got good sights on your shotgun? or a scope of some sort?

[spectrrr]

flat state, or some **** like that. Sounds stupid to me, ya should always know where the bullet is going... but yeah, enough people and flat terrain that unleashing a 7mm Win Mag round on a horizontal trajectory would not be good....

sights... scope... hah... no... my shotgun SUCKS right now. Some kind of lesser known 2+1 semi auto, worth about $100. It's a plinker.
Tell you what though, If I run across an Akdal 1919 for $600 (maybe even $700), it's going home with me... Seems like the only consensus I found while talking to dealers at the show last week is that imports might get restricted. They're more convinced of that then even a magazine limit. Although the main thing that scares me off of the 1919 is buying mags....

Otherwise... I might put off the shot gun till next year... Plan be was an 870 clone for $200... OR I've looked at a mossy 930....

[emopunker2004]

yeh because FL isn't flat...

[spectrrr]

yeh because FL isn't flat...

guess they think we're more careless here :tg

[emopunker2004]

guess they think we're more careless here :tg

I bet that's it. Picked up a 250rd case of estate #8 dove loads and 2-25 ct boxes of s&b 00buck

[Steve]

Purty!

http://oldchurchbbq.com/sharedpictures/Misc4/Rem_XM.jpg

[emopunker2004]

Gonna buy that Steve?

[Steve]

Due to the current climate, I can niether confirm nor deny... :D

[Chainsaw13]

Very nice Steve.

Found a decent deal on a new RRA CAR A4 last night. Now the waiting game for it. What kinda optics do you all recommend?

[emopunker2004]

For an AR-15? For a 1x optic I recommend the aimpoint pro. runs about $400. You wanting something cheaper? or more magnification?

[Chainsaw13]

For an AR-15? For a 1x optic I recommend the aimpoint pro. runs about $400. You wanting something cheaper? or more magnification?

Don't really know what I want at this point Justin. This is my first AR. Just trying to get ideas since I"m not building more of a traditional AR than the varmint style I first though.

[spectrrr]

I might take some flak for this one, but my thought process if you don't have any experience with types of optics would be to get a cheap red dot ($80) and play with it. Then stick it on your .22 and get a real one for the AR if you like it.

Other optic options for a more CQB oriented AR (besides the well known EOTec) would be a 1-4x scope or a 2-7x scope. The 1-4x tends to be common in 3gun, a little less so in the field. The 2-7x seems to be the sweet spot for field work.

[Chainsaw13]

Thanks Francis. You make a valid point, and may very well be the route I'll take in the beginning. First I need to get the rifle and learn it before I start adding all the accessories. I say that now, but I know me. I'll be scouring the web for what I think is the best deal.

[emopunker2004]

if u go budget optic check out primary arms or vortex

[spectrrr]

if u go budget optic check out primary arms or vortex

Primary arms is GTG :tu

I got my first red dot, a sightmark tube from amazon for about the same price. Given a doover, I would probablly get the primary arms on the strength of reviews. But so far the sightmark is holding up and functioning well, I don't regret my purchase. (you can see it holding down the fort on my 15-22 a few pages back)

[emopunker2004]

i'll most likely get a PA Microdot for my shotgun

[bonjing]

yeh because FL isn't flat...

Cue the picture of the girl wearing the "not everything is flat in Florida" shirt :D

[emopunker2004]

:xxx

[elderboy02]

I took my Remington 870 Express that looked like this:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/870Express-Old_zpsa3320727.jpg


And turned it into this:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230507-1_zps733a5633.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230520-1_zps5c36d028.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230528-1_zps2fcf5bc4.jpg


In case you couldn't determine it from the pictures, I love Magpul products :gn

[theonlybear4CORT]

Looking good.

[spectrrr]

Dear god in heaven... I know what to stock up on before the next panic in a few years...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326181501

[jluck]

Dear god in heaven... I know what to stock up on before the next panic in a few years...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326181501

I watched a 10/22 camo take-down "sell" for 1,435.00 on GB!:O

I did score a box of .22 TCM today at my local gun shop.:noon I have a Rock Island 22TCM/9mm combo coming one of these days.:tu

[bonjing]

Nice looking shotgun Dan!

[spectrrr]

crazzyyyyyyy.... I'm starting to regret not selling my Mini 14 a few weeks ago at the height of things.....

[bonjing]

I'm in same boat as you, I've been trying to sell my N6 lower for a while now. Oh well just another thing that's going to drain my play funds.

[jluck]

This is great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IEHMZZdSjCg

[emopunker2004]

I took my Remington 870 Express that looked like this:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/870Express-Old_zpsa3320727.jpg


And turned it into this:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230507-1_zps733a5633.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230520-1_zps5c36d028.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230528-1_zps2fcf5bc4.jpg


In case you couldn't determine it from the pictures, I love Magpul products :gn

Needs shorter barrel. I love magpul but I think I gravely dislike these stocks. I want either the Knox that doesn't reduce recoil or the black hawk folding stock

[elderboy02]

Needs shorter barrel. I love magpul but I think I gravely dislike these stocks. I want either the Knox that doesn't reduce recoil or the black hawk folding stock

I agree about the shorter barrel. Are they pretty easy to cut?

[emopunker2004]

I agree about the shorter barrel. Are they pretty easy to cut?

Not sure but replacements are available. This is OOS but
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/958340/mossberg-barrel-remington-870-special-purpose-12-gauge-3-18-1-2-cylinder-bore-with-bead-sight-matte

This one is in stock
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-R4620

[CigarSquid]

Looking at buying this from my bro in law.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/niSssEanR/image_1360161036733357_zpsddf6e9d2.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/niSssEanR/image_1360161026593992_zpsecbba10a.jpg

Waiting for him to get off work to talk to him about it. My sister gave me this info. mossberg 12g pump. 500A. standard for $150

I am not sure it is what I want or if I can change many things on it. I am sure he used it more for hunting. I want something with a smaller barrel.. But I think it is a decent price.

[elderboy02]

That is a really good price! :tu

[CigarSquid]

I just don't know crap about shotguns

[elderboy02]

I just don't know crap about shotguns

They are extremely easy to operate. Load the shell, rack the slide, pull the trigger. Very few parts. :tu

[Islayphile]

I took my Remington 870 Express that looked like this:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/870Express-Old_zpsa3320727.jpg


And turned it into this:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230507-1_zps733a5633.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230520-1_zps5c36d028.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/20130205_230528-1_zps2fcf5bc4.jpg


In case you couldn't determine it from the pictures, I love Magpul products :gn



MAGPUL whore

[elderboy02]

MAGPUL whore

Why, thank you, thank you sir :tu

[CigarSquid]

They are extremely easy to operate. Load the shell, rack the slide, pull the trigger. Very few parts. :tu

I want a shorter barrel. Not sure if I can do that with that one or if it is cost affective.

[emopunker2004]

I want a shorter barrel. Not sure if I can do that with that one or if it is cost affective.

It can be replaced. Not sure how cost effective it would be though.
Sold out right now but it was priced at like $100
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-MS90015

[Chainsaw13]

MidwayUSA has a bunch of Aguila 22LR in stock right now. Get it while it's hot, and not cheap!

[Islayphile]

MAGPUL whore

Why, thank you, thank you sir :tu

You betcha

;)

[big pete]

All parts or my AR build have been ordered. Now I just have to wait until PSA sends me the upper (crosses fingers)

[emopunker2004]

Prepare to wait a while. They're slow.

Got my 7.62x54r for my mosin

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8511/8450761855_2c8edeaacf_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8450761855/)
7.62x54r (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8450761855/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[bonjing]

All parts or my AR build have been ordered. Now I just have to wait until PSA sends me the upper (crosses fingers)

Where's the pic of your AR-9, Pete?

[Blueface]

Prepare to wait a while. They're slow.


They are.
I just waited nearly three weeks on an order but I don't mind as didn't need it in a rush.
At least I feel confident they are reputable and only sell actual stock.
I have had nothing but good experiences with them.
Actually had the chance to visit their facility and shoot in their range in Columbia.

[emopunker2004]

They are.
I just waited nearly three weeks on an order but I don't mind as didn't need it in a rush.
At least I feel confident they are reputable and only sell actual stock.
I have had nothing but good experiences with them.
Actually had the chance to visit their facility and shoot in their range in Columbia.

That's cool. Took me 4 weeks to get my ppu 5.56 from them. Never had a problem besides slow to ship. I love my PSA upper

[bonjing]

Just a heads up at Rainer, polymer lowers in stock. I'm not a polymer type guy but if you want ojne here they are:

http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3402

[emopunker2004]

Anyone in fl, shooters of jax has s&w15 optics ready models for 1k

[spectrrr]

yeah, PSA is slow... but it will get there.. took about 4 weeks to get my upper. Looks like great quality to me. I havn't shot it, decided to go with a different upper, this one's going on gunbroker tonight, along with my used lower and BCG (listed separately though, more money in the parts it seems)....

[big pete]

Where's the pic of your AR-9, Pete?

Decided to build a .223/.556 first since 9mm uppers are hard to find right now (well I did find a guy with a L&G upper for sale but he only wanted payment in the form of MO, no PP or bank transfers so I passed). I can take pics of the pile of parts minus upper if you'd like :p

I'll probably start building a AR9 after the wedding

[Blueface]

Anyone in fl, shooters of jax has s&w15 optics ready models for 1k

Teaser.
Called them but won't ship to me.
In store only.
Was looking to buy complete rock river lower.
Figured decent price for $399.

[emopunker2004]

Teaser.
Called them but won't ship to me.
In store only.
Was looking to buy complete rock river lower.
Figured decent price for $399.sorry. Too bad u don't know someone here who could get it for u

[Blueface]

sorry. Too bad u don't know someone here who could get it for u

So.......how do we quickly get to know each other? :r

[big pete]

Crap.... just ordered one of these

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5025MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16%22+M4+5.56%2f.223+Upper+Re ceiver&groupid=586

Anyone want my PSA upper? If not, how much is their restocking fee (do they have one)?

[emopunker2004]

Crap.... just ordered one of these

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5025MOE&name=Spikes+Tactical+16%22+M4+5.56%2f.223+Upper+Re ceiver&groupid=586

Anyone want my PSA upper? If not, how much is their restocking fee (do they have one)?

10% restocking fee. Keep both?
Did u actually get the spikes? Sold out now.

[big pete]

Someone on Calguns posted another Spikes upper but that sold out in 5min. Looked around and found the last of this upper. Picked it up since it seemed like a good price for a complete upper.

10% isnt too bad. I can sell my spare AR15.com BCG for $200 and make back that $50 I loss on the PSA upper. Figure I checked to see if anyone here wants an upper. Hell, I even sell them my BCG and BCM charging handle for what I got it for.

This is the PSA upper I ordered
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/psa-16-5-56-nato-stainless-steel-hammer-forged-upper.html

[emopunker2004]

Midlength. I like midlength

[spectrrr]

Pete, no need to LOSE money on your PSA upper.

I did the EXACT same thing as you. Picked up a PSA upper first for $389 (16" carbine), then I snagged a complete "Special Ops Tactical 16" Midlength upper" (Run by former Spikes employees, GTG gear) from AIM for $510 (+ tax for me, DOH).

I'm posting my PSA upper on gunbroker tonight, I expect it to sell for around $600 if recent auctions are any indication. After fees, I should GAIN $100-$175 on the sale.

[emopunker2004]

What he said.

[big pete]

:tu

I'll have to create a GB account. I guess I'll post stuff up once the Spike's upper has been shipped

[spectrrr]

Might want to buy something small first on there, get at least one positive feedback before diving into high dollar sales. Folks are naturally suspicious of newbies online (for good reason).

Alternatively, you can do what I did and reference your ebay account seller feedback page and invite folks to contact you on ebay if they had any concerns. I had a number of bidders double check my ID through ebay. Of course that only works if you have some good seller feedback on ebay :)

[spectrrr]

Remember - IF HeyGal catches you processing gun parts, they can suspend your account. If you do choose to go that route, I wouldnt advertise it in your auction (just offer it after the fact), and make sure that the buyer doesn't make any references to guns when he sends payment. Since I NEED my HeyGal account for ebay, I just take checks/money orders on gun broker, and make it clear there will be a wait time for it to clear.

When making your listing, browse through a few similar listings and figure out what rules folks are applying to listings of that type. What states people won't ship ammo to, things like that. And put clear auction terms at the end - return policy, shipping policy, payment type and time frame policy, things like that. Browse through other auctions and you'll get an idea.

Finally, nobody likes reading a block of text, so you're not geeky inclined, you can use an online HTML editor like this one to get something passable looking. Or at the very least, remember that you can break to the next line of text (ENTER key) with <BR> at the end :)
http://htmleditor.in/index.html

Here is an example of how I format my auctions:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328574372
(oh yeah, and CLEAR photos are an absolute must and go a long way towards hooking buyers and convincing em that YOUR product is the one they want and not the other 10 identical ones for sale)

[Boz]

Anyone in fl, shooters of jax has s&w15 optics ready models for 1k

****. Thats the one I wanted to start out with to get my feet wet before all this **** went down. Maybe I can convince my aunt or uncle to go pick one up and hold it for me :r

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Not sure. I have the factory ones on mine. My G20 is a 2nd generation, and they are still bright as heck.

What self defense ammo do you have? Also I need to find a good range ammo, any thoughts? I ordered some double tap ammo last week and will order some underwood today.

[elderboy02]

What self defense ammo do you have? Also I need to find a good range ammo, any thoughts? I ordered some double tap ammo last week and will order some underwood today.

For self defense, I ordered some Double Tap Speer Gold Dots. I ordered these about 5 years ago, so I don't know if they are still available or not.

For range ammo, I use the Georgia Arms Canned Heat. http://georgia-arms.com/newcannedheat10mm180grfullmetaljacket500pk.aspx

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Thanks. There's not many choices with 10mm sadly.

[bonjing]

Dan, any issues with Georgia Arms. I've known about them for some time but have always been hesitant to order. I liked their prices for 357Sig, kinda late to ask this question now with no one having anything in stock, but I thought I'd ask.

[elderboy02]

Dan, any issues with Georgia Arms. I've known about them for some time but have always been hesitant to order. I liked their prices for 357Sig, kinda late to ask this question now with no one having anything in stock, but I thought I'd ask.

I fired about half of a can of 10mm with no problems ;)

[emopunker2004]

Checkout freedom munitions too. Nothing in stock right now though.


Ain't she purty...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8452789609_aaee015eaf_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8452789609/)
147gr Silver Tip 7.62x54r (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8452789609/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[CigarSquid]

Looks nice Justin!

[emopunker2004]

Looks nice Justin!

I tell u what, 440rd of that stuff ain't no joke, it's heavy as all get out.

[Brian D.]

Thanks. There's not many choices with 10mm sadly.

You are correct. Don't reload as much as I used to but 10mm is definitely one of my most frequently used die sets. 200gr. full metal jackets with a healthy charge of Blue Dot, for carry in bear and wild boar country down south/out west. 180 grain flat points in front of Winchester 231 powder for practice. Carry ammo for "two legged vermin" defense is factory CorBon jhp, or Winchester Silvertips.

[Brian D.]

Picked up a used, low miles Sig P238 (.380) recently. This one has the ambidextrous thumb safety, something they didn't offer on the earliest ones. So far so good testing it out. If it is reliable it will become a weak (left) side backup gun, carried in a front pocket rig.

Not a huge fan of the .380 acp (see my last post just above for some proof of that ;) ) but it definitely has its place.

[Blueface]

Picked up a used, low miles Sig P238 (.380) recently. This one has the ambidextrous thumb safety, something they didn't offer on the earliest ones. So far so good testing it out. If it is reliable it will become a weak (left) side backup gun, carried in a front pocket rig.

Not a huge fan of the .380 acp (see my last post just above for some proof of that ;) ) but it definitely has its place.

I love my wife's.
She has the HD which has a heavier frame, hence less recoil.
Gun is a pleasure to shoot.

[emopunker2004]

Well, i've decided that this Kahr CW45 just isn't going to work for me. It's a little too long in the grip for me to CCW it during the hot days here in FL. Guess I'm gonna sell her and the holster.

[Blueface]

I think I did we'll.
Scored a DTI lower in stock at Bud's that lasted literally seconds for $159.

[emopunker2004]

:r :tu

[emopunker2004]

Ar15 mags!
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MTSMAG3PK00BT00&name=Troy+Ind.+CBIR+.223%2F5.56+30rd+AR+BattleMags +BLACK+3-PACK&groupid=6

polymer lower
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ati-omni-stripped-lower-receiver.html

[spectrrr]

given the current market, that's not bad :tu

[Blueface]

Help me out guys, what is the difference between these two?
http://www.phase5tactical.com/products/receivers/

[emopunker2004]

Help me out guys, what is the difference between these two?
http://www.phase5tactical.com/products/receivers/

the pistol one probably has pistol engraved on it

[Blueface]

the pistol one probably has pistol engraved on it

Yup.
Just checked out the closer shots and sure enough.

So.........what the heck does that mean?
Man, I am still so ignorant to all this.

[emopunker2004]

Yup.
Just checked out the closer shots and sure enough.

So.........what the heck does that mean?
Man, I am still so ignorant to all this.

Not sure it means anything legally. I know any AR lower can be registered as a pistol lower when it's transferred. If it's been built as a rifle, then it can't legally be built as a pistol. A pistol lower can be built into a rifle though. Why bother with the pistol one unless you're building a pistol though.

[Blueface]

Not sure it means anything legally. I know any AR lower can be registered as a pistol lower when it's transferred. If it's been built as a rifle, then it can't legally be built as a pistol. A pistol lower can be built into a rifle though. Why bother with the pistol one unless you're building a pistol though.

Cool.
Now makes sense.

[Brian D.]

Well, i've decided that this Kahr CW45 just isn't going to work for me. It's a little too long in the grip for me to CCW it during the hot days here in FL. Guess I'm gonna sell her and the holster.

Have a look at the PM/CM series from Kahr. A little shorter front to back and top to bottom than the CW lines.

[emopunker2004]

Yeh i had a CM9 at one point. I'll most likely go back there once I sell this

[Steelerfanatic]

Picked up a used, low miles Sig P238 (.380) recently. This one has the ambidextrous thumb safety, something they didn't offer on the earliest ones. So far so good testing it out. If it is reliable it will become a weak (left) side backup gun, carried in a front pocket rig.

Not a huge fan of the .380 acp (see my last post just above for some proof of that ;) ) but it definitely has its place.

I have the Sig P238 and I love it as a BUG front pocket carry. I have the old single safety.

[spectrrr]

I used to have an old colt mustang 380, same general design as the Sig. LOVED the feel of that gun. Always wished they made it in a 9mm, I'd buy in a heartbeat.

[Boz]

Ar15 mags!
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MTSMAG3PK00BT00&name=Troy+Ind.+CBIR+.223%2F5.56+30rd+AR+BattleMags +BLACK+3-PACK&groupid=6

polymer lower
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ati-omni-stripped-lower-receiver.html

What's your opinion of polymer lowers?

[emopunker2004]

What's your opinion of polymer lowers?

Never had one. For a range gun or a .22 then it'd be great I'm sure. For a go to war gun maybe not so much. That said, something's better than nothing. Could always use it til u find a alum one

[Boz]

Never had one. For a range gun or a .22 then it'd be great I'm sure. For a go to war gun maybe not so much. That said, something's better than nothing. Could always use it til u find a alum one

Good point. I'm to the point now that I at least want to get a lower since the only people that have any complete rifles in stock are shops that are pricing them at twice the MSRP :rolleyes:

[emopunker2004]

Looks like I may have my pistol sold. Find out tomorrow

[emopunker2004]

Looks like I have my pistol sold. I googled the guys name and seems he is a higher up at a mortgage company in the tampa area. Supposed to be meeting me about 1pm tomorrow. :tu

[spectrrr]

Awesome, always nice to get that stuff sold quickly :tu

[emopunker2004]

Yup. Ill use some of the money toward something smaller, maybe a 380 for pocket carry, then put the left over toward my ar, shotgun or smokes

[spectrrr]

Just finally got around to taking pictures of my SKS.... maybe sometime in the next day or so I'll write up a description and actually post the thing for sale :)

[Steve]

I used to have an old colt mustang 380, same general design as the Sig. LOVED the feel of that gun. Always wished they made it in a 9mm, I'd buy in a heartbeat.

:tu:tu

[Blueface]

So much for that DTI lower.
Got the dreaded "sorry to cancel your order but our computer error..........."
Oh well.

[spectrrr]

*DOH* .... so close! I wouldn't sweat it... prices should be coming down a bit. Supply won't increase, they're already at max production... but prices should come down as people stop panicking and stop buying at the higher prices... And that guy who picked up 15 lowers last month, "just in case" is going to have 14 of them for sale soon :r

[Blueface]

*DOH* .... so close! I wouldn't sweat it... prices should be coming down a bit. Supply won't increase, they're already at max production... but prices should come down as people stop panicking and stop buying at the higher prices... And that guy who picked up 15 lowers last month, "just in case" is going to have 14 of them for sale soon :r

True.
Was considering ordering a Phase 5.
Anyone know anything about them?
Looks nice and at $149, just an 8-12 week wait but don't see that as an issue as not in rush.

[Blueface]

Woohoo.
Scored two Rock River lowers in stock from PK.

[emopunker2004]

Good deal Carlos. Sold the CW45 and holster today for $20 more than i paid. :D
And the guy drove all the way from Tampa

[Steve]

Good deal Carlos. Sold the CW45 and holster today for $20 more than i paid. :D
And the guy drove all the way from Tampa

:banger:banger