First Firearm Thread.

[JE3146]

Haven't heard anything regarding Fiocchi.

PMC though gets about a 90% favorability with only 4% of users suffering an issue that'd prevent them from buying the ammo again.


(This is being run through AR-15's)

[elderboy02]

I would go with the PMC. Over on ARFCOM, it has a great rating like Jordan mentioned above.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Well my uncle said to go with the PMC as well, both are military surplus. I decided to go with the Fiocchi as this is somethin like when you were a teenager and made a decision on the fly and when you tell your dad he smacks your head. All Im usin it for is in my bolt action Rem 700 doing small varmit and target shooting.

Hopefully I dont regret this but if it does suck I can always buy PMC and sell the Fiocchi to a friend.

[Ratters]

I haven't shot the .223 Fiocchi but I've shot a lot of their 9mm and .45 and it's all nice clean shooting stuff. I'd try the .223 without a problem.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Does anyone have info on Remington Shotguns Manufactured March 1959?

I received a Remington Sportsman 12 Pump Magnum and Im tryin to figure out what the model number is and what parts if I ever need them to get.


It doesnt say 870 or anything like that and my uncles and another guy at work know a good bit about guns and they say it was probably made for Sears or a company like that to sell in their catalogs or maybe a Stevens (I highly doubt)

[Ace$nyper]

I'm having a hard time tracking down a Nagant revolver... I don't want to go to gun broker because that's too slippery a slope for me, and costs seems to fly up.

[Mark C]

Try www.aimsurplus.com? Might take awhile to ship though.

[Ace$nyper]

Try www.aimsurplus.com? Might take awhile to ship though.

Holy crap 80 bucks.

Ordering tomorrow :D

You are awesome thanks much!

[elderboy02]

Holy crap 80 bucks.

Ordering tomorrow :D

You are awesome thanks much!

AIM is an awesome compnay to deal with. They are top-notch. I had a problem with an AK magazine that I bought. It was rusted to hell and back. I took the floor plate off and tried to sand the mag, but it wouldn't work. I called them and they just sent me a new one :cool2:

[Ubergopher]

Does anyone here have any experience with building an AR-15, and if you do any recomendation on the parts to get?

[JE3146]

Yup, I've built plenty.

In order of Quality.

Colt/LMT/Bushmaster/CMT/RRA/Stag/J&T/CMMG/M&A/Del-ton/DPMS/Oly Arms

That's my opinion of course.

Price will obviously drop as you go own the line.

Bang for buck, I prefer CMT/Stag/RRA parts for my builds :tu

If you need any help with the assembly, years ago, I created a PDF file that can be printed out like a workshop manual that goes step by step photographically through assembling an AR-15, as well as talking about all the parts, tools, function testing, and possible build ideas.

Just let me know if you'd like a copy :)

[Ubergopher]

I'd love a copy of that, it'd be perfect for what I need, PM incoming with my email address. My current plan (without doing any serious looking for the items or price) would be a fixed stock with a short barrel either 10 or 14.5 inches.

Quick question though, would I be able to hot swap between a longer barrel and a shorter one or would I need to monkey with the lower receiver?

[JE3146]

I'd love a copy of that, it'd be perfect for what I need, PM incoming with my email address. My current plan (without doing any serious looking for the items or price) would be a fixed stock with a short barrel either 10 or 14.5 inches.

Quick question though, would I be able to hot swap between a longer barrel and a shorter one or would I need to monkey with the lower receiver?

First off you need to realize that a short barreled rifle (A rifle with a bbl of under 16" in length from the bolt face to muzzle) will need to be an NFA registered rifle specifically called an SBR, or short barreled rifle.

To achieve a 14.5" barrel without needing the NFA registration, you'll simply need a 1.6" muzzle break permanently affixed to the muzzle of your rifle. That means blind pinned and welded.

If you have a registered SBR, as long as you marked it on the form, the various barrel lengths you would be using, then you can use any of those barrel lengths by swapping uppers. It's recommended to get a grip with a storage area (such as the TD, or the Magpul MOE/MIAD) to store the NFA paperwork in, in case you're ever asked questions about it by an LEO.

Also there's no such thing as hot swapping a barrel unless you have a thing called an LMT MRP :D

You can howevor have multiple upper halves, that can be put onto a dedicated lower by simply removing two takedown pins on the lower receiver, removing the upper, putting a new upper on, and pushing the pins back in place.

It's VERY simple to do that.

[Mark C]

Holy crap 80 bucks.

Ordering tomorrow :D

You are awesome thanks much!

No problem. I've been thinking about grabbing one of those, and one of the rifles as well, just need to get my C&R permit first.

[elderboy02]

No problem. I've been thinking about grabbing one of those, and one of the rifles as well, just need to get my C&R permit first.

C&R licenses are awesome. Once you get one, send a copy to Brownells and Midway USA. When they get a copy, once you log in, you get to see the cheaper (dealer) prices :tu

[Ratters]

Yup, I've built plenty.

In order of Quality.

Colt/LMT/Bushmaster/CMT/RRA/Stag/J&T/CMMG/M&A/Del-ton/DPMS/Oly Arms

That's my opinion of course.

Price will obviously drop as you go own the line.

Bang for buck, I prefer CMT/Stag/RRA parts for my builds :tu



I think you're pretty right on except for Colt. Well, at least the large pin Colts. I've built quite a few, including a couple Del-ton kits and was very pleased with their quality. I'd get one for myself no problem.

A lot of friends have been asking me to help them put rifles together and I keep telling them they missed the boat and now should wait a few months for things to die down and get back to normal.

[JE3146]

I think you're pretty right on except for Colt. Well, at least the large pin Colts. I've built quite a few, including a couple Del-ton kits and was very pleased with their quality. I'd get one for myself no problem.

A lot of friends have been asking me to help them put rifles together and I keep telling them they missed the boat and now should wait a few months for things to die down and get back to normal.

While I don't use Colt, what it boils down to is M&P testing and the sample rate of testing that puts Colt on top of the list, versus down towards the bottom. Granted I'd put them equal to LMT, but they cost more thus putting them ahead on the list when looking at it from a bang for buck perspective. (left side is less bang for buck) And this list is not definitive, nor anything more than my opinion. I've obviously omitting things like GT/Noveske/Bravo/...etc

Statistically speaking, running average equipment through above average scenarios will cause weaker components of lesser quality to fail quicker. Things like extractors, bolt heads, bolt carriers.. etc

It's parts like those that I recommend spending more money on. I'd recommend M&P testing where possible.

As for barrels, it'll boil down to application.

As for receivers, you're paying for a name as long as it's in spec.

Lower parts kit, you're paying for fit, strength, and trigger quality if you have no intention of upgrading the trigger.


So really, put your money where it matters. I have no issues with Del-ton, but you would never see me stick one of their BCG's in my rifle.

[JE3146]

A couple people have requested this, so I'm gonna post it.

This is a PDF File on how to assemble an AR-15 from parts, how to function check, and lists off all parts and tools necessary to complete a build as well as offering suggestions as to what you could build.

This is free to use and download for personal use, but please do not distribute. I take no responsibility (and neither does anywhere that links it or hosts it) if you decide to shoot yourself in the foot, so be aware of that :r

http://hosted.filefront.com/JE3146/

Find the PDF file mid page, then just to the right of it, it'll say "Download now"

Follow that link and enjoy :)

The pictures are dated, but I made this in 2005/2006, eventually published online in 2006.

I'll be redoing it eventually, but for now it works :)

[Ace$nyper]

No problem. I've been thinking about grabbing one of those, and one of the rifles as well, just need to get my C&R permit first.

Get one of the rifles, if you don't like it, well you did it wrong :r

heck if timing is right on my wallet and you really don't like it I might buy it from you lol.

I own a bunch of rifles and the most fun by far is my M44. It's just, well you have to have a Mosin to get it kinda deal.

I can't wait to take the pistol to the range once I get it. Thanks so much again for the link :)

[Mark C]

Get one of the rifles, if you don't like it, well you did it wrong :r

I think I'll get it right :) All those pretty pictures and videos of fire balls are too cool to pass up for $70.

What's the difference between the hex receiver 91/30 models and the 'regular' models?

[Ace$nyper]

I think I'll get it right :) All those pretty pictures and videos of fire balls are too cool to pass up for $70.

What's the difference between the hex receiver 91/30 models and the 'regular' models?

Over all nothing, to a normal shooter/plinker. But if you are picky and want the best place to read up on ANYTHING (plus great jokes) about these rifles
http://7.62x54r.net/

[Ace$nyper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE6BBtjUig0&

This man HATES his body hahahah

[gpugliese]

I passed my .38 marksmanship test today in Boston with a 290 out of 300. Now I get to enjoy the long 7-8 week wait!

[JE3146]

I passed my .38 marksmanship test today in Boston with a 290 out of 300. Now I get to enjoy the long 7-8 week wait!

Is this to own a handgun? or to conceal carry?

[gpugliese]

Is this to own a handgun? or to conceal carry?

This is just to get a license to carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun in MA. As a Boston resident, I have to jump through a few extra hoops.

Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

I'll end up with a sport/target restriction, which allows everything but concealed carry.

[JE3146]

This is just to get a license to carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun in MA. As a Boston resident, I have to jump through a few extra hoops.

Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

I'll end up with a sport/target restriction, which allows everything but concealed carry.

That is just insane.

I go nuts if the background check takes more than 10 minutes :) And all that involves is them dialing the phone while I put my thumb prints on a piece of paper.

[elderboy02]

This is just to get a license to carry a handgun, rifle or shotgun in MA. As a Boston resident, I have to jump through a few extra hoops.

Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

I'll end up with a sport/target restriction, which allows everything but concealed carry.

That sucks. I would hate to live in a state with such stupid gun laws. Here in Ohio to get a concealed carry permit you have to:

1. Take a 12 hour class where you learn about the laws, proper handling, cleaning, and you have to pass a test where you shoot the gun and hit the target x number of times. You also have to pass the written test.

2. Take your paperwork to the local sheriff's office with your paperwork, get fingerprinted, and pay a fee.

3. If you pass the background check and everything else checks out fine, you get your permit.

Ohio is a "Shall issue" state meaning that if you meet condition "A, B, C, etc." they have to give you a permit. None of the crap where you "have to make large deposits, etc."

Hang in there man..... hopefully you can get a CC permit.

[elderboy02]

That is just insane.

I go nuts if the background check takes more than 10 minutes :) And all that involves is them dialing the phone while I put my thumb prints on a piece of paper.

You have to do fingerprinting in Oregon?

[gpugliese]

New Hampshire just requires $10 and a letter to your town's police chief requirement for concealed carry. I don't think you need anything else to own/purchase/shoot a firearm up there.

Non-resident NH CCW permits are easy (and cheap) as well, so I'll definitely be going that route.

[elderboy02]

New Hampshire just requires $10 and a letter to your town's police chief requirement for concealed carry. I don't think you need anything else to own/purchase/shoot a firearm up there.

Non-resident NH CCW permits are easy (and cheap) as well, so I'll definitely be going that route.

I applied for my non-resident NH CCW permit as well. This will give me the ability to CC in Alabama. I also have a non-resident Pennsylvania permit.

[Mark C]

Concealed carry is next to impossible to get in Boston unless you own your own business or make frequent large cash deposits. There is no "Self Protection" option.

Same thing in all of MD. The running joke is you can carry a gun to protect large amounts of cash, but not your life.

Gun permits are at least fairly easy to get, lots of paperwork and a 7+ day waiting period for background checks (handguns), but no classes and no shooting tests. In fact I don't think I remember being fingerprinted...

[elderboy02]

Same thing in all of MD. The running joke is you can carry a gun to protect large amounts of cash, but not your life.

Gun permits are at least fairly easy to get, lots of paperwork and a 7+ day waiting period for background checks (handguns), but no classes and no shooting tests. In fact I don't think I remember being fingerprinted...

7 day waiting period! :c Wow, you have my sympathy. Stupid gun grabbers. Here in Ohio, it takes longer to fill out the paperwork (4 minutes) than it does for the background check. :)

[smokeyandthebandit05]

2 updates

I finally got pics of my rifle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/Picture042.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/Picture041.jpg

and

#2

I went to cabelas yesterday and went to buy a rifle. I hand the guy my DL and gun license. He comes back and informs me my addresses do not match. I crap my pants cause my address in the DL is the PO box and on the firearms license its my street address :fl:fl:fl

[elderboy02]

Nice rifle sir! :D

[Tim D.]

I love this thread! My motto is: "You can never have too many guns or too much ammo!!!" We have to remain eternally vigilant here in the People's Socialist Republic of Maryland to keep "them" from grabbing our gun rights. :mad:

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Thanks elderboy. Its a Remington 700 SPS varmint in .223. I love the heavy barrel and just put the bi pod on today. I would like to convert it to the detachable magazine version but I would have to change to stock or modify it

[Mark C]

I love this thread! My motto is: "You can never have too many guns or too much ammo!!!" We have to remain eternally vigilant here in the People's Socialist Republic of Maryland to keep "them" from grabbing our gun rights. :mad:

You sound like some of the guys over here: http://www.mdshooters.com

Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

[mi2az]

Got to get my pics up too. I have a Kahr TP9 that I CC. I have a Sig P245 that I try to CC and find it to damn big. I also have a Golani AK-47 Assualt rifle.

I am also looking to add a tacticle shotgun to the collection. Either a r
Remmington 870 or Mossberg 500.

[Ace$nyper]

There is no such thing as too big to cc, just may cause back problems and requires a pea coat :r

[floydpink]

Well, after a month with the Kel Tec P11 9mm, and 6 misfeeds in under 150 rounds, I decided it wasn't the type of weapon I wanted to trust my life with.

They say you need to break them in and do some light sanding, etc to make them perfect, but I'm not a gunsmith nor a patient person. This may be a gun for some, but not for me.

I traded it in today and paid a little extra and left with a J frame Smith and Wesson 38 special airweight.

I was close to a Glock 19, but found this to be way more concealable and way lighter. The Glock just didn't seem to fit right in my hand and the S&W did. The S&W can be in my cargo shorts and feel no more cumbersome than a cel phone.

I freakin love this gun and put 50 rounds through it today with not a problem.

[elderboy02]

Well, after a month with the Kel Tec P11 9mm, and 6 misfeeds in under 150 rounds, I decided it wasn't the type of weapon I wanted to trust my life with.

They say you need to break them in and do some light sanding, etc to make them perfect, but I'm not a gunsmith nor a patient person. This may be a gun for some, but not for me.

I traded it in today and paid a little extra and left with a J frame Smith and Wesson 38 special airweight.

I was close to a Glock 19, but found this to be way more concealable and way lighter. The Glock just didn't seem to fit right in my hand and the S&W did. The S&W can be in my cargo shorts and feel no more cumbersome than a cel phone.

I freakin love this gun and put 50 rounds through it today with not a problem.

That is exactly what I did. I had the P11, but I didn't care too much for it. I sold the P11 to my brother and bought a J-frame. I carry the J-frame everyday. It is so light, you forget it is there :tu

[floydpink]

Biggest bonus is that it goes "bang" every time you pull the trigger, which is also a fraction as stiff as the Kel Tec was.

I've always been a revolver fan, but was talked into the P11. It has a cult like following and apparantly has great customer service.

Not likely I'll ever trade it in and hard to beat Smith and Wesson's track record.

It took a bit of adjusting on the range as I was shooting high. The Kel Tec is famous for shooting low. The salesman took me out and gave me some tips and it seems that this gun work best when you just point it at about chest height and go straight.

He was joking that I was hitting the silouette between the eyes everytime and I would look like judge, jury, and executioner if I ever went to court, God forbid.

I took a little loss on the trade and had put on the trigger shoe and belt clip and mag extender, but the S&W was on sale and I figure my life is worth it.

[Catfish]

Generic pic of my SA XDM.40. Will post the pic of .40, torch, knife, etc. later when I get home.

http://godgunsglory.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/xdm.jpg

Generic pic of my S&W 410 in .40 cal.

http://www.nu-lawgroup.co.za/images/Smith%20&%20Wesson%20410.jpg

Bad Pic of my kaniff

http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/15f/4/AAAAAoJzC2gAAAAAAV9Gzw.jpg


And my torch

http://images.ifguk.co.uk/products/1356/zoom.jpg

[Sauer Grapes]

besides gun broker, are there any online resources to match buyers with sellers? I've noticed most on gunbroker are dealers and the prices for the most part aren't really any cheaper than my local shop (minus taxes of course). I don't mind having to transfer though a FFL, I just want to find something more local.

[JE3146]

besides gun broker, are there any online resources to match buyers with sellers? I've noticed most on gunbroker are dealers and the prices for the most part aren't really any cheaper than my local shop (minus taxes of course). I don't mind having to transfer though a FFL, I just want to find something more local.

There's a rather extensive equipment exchange on a place called http://www.ar15.com

Could try there.

[elderboy02]

There's a rather extensive equipment exchange on a place called http://www.ar15.com

Could try there.

Yep. The Equipment Exchange on AR15.com is the best classifieds I have ever seen.

[JE3146]

Yep. The Equipment Exchange on AR15.com is the best classifieds I have ever seen.

That and you might run into a couple familiar faces :D

[elderboy02]

That and you might run into a couple familiar faces :D

Yep! :D Hey Jordan, why don't you have a hello kitty avatar over there?

[floydpink]

Hey Elderboy. Question;

With the Kel Tec, it was really picky about ammo, so I didn't skimp at the range.

I'm guessing the S&W will be like my old Taurus 357 and shoot anything I fed it, right?

The good stuff is only 6 bucks more for a box of 50, so maybe I should just do that?

Thanks.

[elderboy02]

Hey Elderboy. Question;

With the Kel Tec, it was really picky about ammo, so I didn't skimp at the range.

I'm guessing the S&W will be like my old Taurus 357 and shoot anything I fed it, right?

The good stuff is only 6 bucks more for a box of 50, so maybe I should just do that?

Thanks.

Yep. The revolver will eat anything. I use Remington UMC ammo at the range. I use Speer Gold Dots for self-defense.

[elderboy02]

Nice gear Catfish! :tu

[JE3146]

Yep! :D Hey Jordan, why don't you have a hello kitty avatar over there?

Same reason I don't have one here ;)

[JE3146]

Yep. The revolver will eat anything. I use Remington UMC ammo at the range. I use Speer Gold Dots for self-defense.

Great minds think alike ;)

[floydpink]

Yep. The revolver will eat anything. I use Remington UMC ammo at the range. I use Speer Gold Dots for self-defense.

I shot Remington at the range today. Can't remember the name of the round, but they were jacketed hollow points. Also they were showing me some that appeared to be like a submunition type of round. Had a weird name like "intense defense" or something like that. Goes right through a barrier as well which I don't like with 4 bedrooms of people in my house.

The hollowpoint was filled with a yellow dot, which reminded me of the Blue Glasers I had used in the 357 mag. Apparantly it's a really nasty round that leaves quite a large hole in the bad guy.

I think a few hollowpoints of any variety hitting critical mass will leave a bad guy wishing he took the day off from being a scumbag.

[elderboy02]

I shot Remington at the range today. Can't remember the name of the round, but they were jacketed hollow points. Also they were showing me some that appeared to be like a submunition type of round. Had a weird name like "intense defense" or something like that. Goes right through a barrier as well which I don't like with 4 bedrooms of people in my house.

The hollowpoint was filled with a yellow dot, which reminded me of the Blue Glasers I had used in the 357 mag. Apparantly it's a really nasty round that leaves quite a large hole in the bad guy.

I think a few hollowpoints of any variety hitting critical mass will leave a bad guy wishing he took the day off from being a scumbag.

I believe those are called Critical Defense. In my opinion, they are a new round that does not have a track record yet. I would stick to Federal HST's or Speer Gold Dots. The FBI and most police departments carry Gold Dots.

You are right, shot placement (center mass) is the key and is more important than caliber choice. Does Florida have the Castle Doctrine like Ohio does?

[gpugliese]

Goes right through a barrier as well which I don't like with 4 bedrooms of people in my house.

From what I've been reading, there's not much coming out of a handgun that won't go through sheet rock walls.

The Box 'O Truth (http://www.theboxotruth.com/) has some excellent experiments & documentation if you haven't seen it before.

[floydpink]

I believe those are called Critical Defense. In my opinion, they are a new round that does not have a track record yet. I would stick to Federal HST's or Speer Gold Dots. The FBI and most police departments carry Gold Dots.

You are right, shot placement (center mass) is the key and is more important than caliber choice. Does Florida have the Castle Doctrine like Ohio does?

Exactly right, it WAS Critical Defense. I use Federal HST's but will look at the Gold Dots you mention.

Florida has a castle doctrine as well as a car doctrine basically stating a no retreat rule as well as legal right to assume lethal force if anyone enters your house or tries to enter your car. In other words, if someone enters your house or car, shoot. Liberals haven't ruined that.

[Ratters]

2 updates

I finally got pics of my rifle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/Picture042.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/Picture041.jpg



Nice,

I have a Remmington LTR in .223. Love the gun. How's the trigger on yours? Mine SUCKED till I took it out and adjusted it. Pretty easy to do and now it's nigh perfect.

Here's a pic of my buddy shooting it:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd150/Rattersar15/IMG_0025-2.jpg

[JE3146]

Forget the gun... nice camera :D

[Ratters]

Ha, that's my buddies. And yes, it's a nice camera.

[MarkinAZ]

Generic pic of my SA XDM.40. Will post the pic of .40, torch, knife, etc. later when I get home.http://images.ifguk.co.uk/products/1356/zoom.jpg

I agree. Nice gear David. I have a "Surefire 9P" that lights-up everything. Surefire makes a great light:tu

[JE3146]

Ha, that's my buddies. And yes, it's a nice camera.

I should mention the trigger on my Remington 700P in SA .308 sucked as well. I have the fullsize, not the LTR, but the triggers are the same.

Little tuning and it breaks nice and clean now. Little gritty for a single stage trigger, but it does nicely. :tu

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I have a Remmington LTR in .223. Love the gun. How's the trigger on yours? Mine SUCKED till I took it out and adjusted it. Pretty easy to do and now it's nigh perfect.


My 700 came with the new X Mark Pro trigger set up. Ive only smot it a little bit but I love the gun

[floydpink]

Here's a pic of the S&W 38sp I picked up with the Uncle Mike's IWB holster I am using when it's not in my pocket, like when I am on the motorcycle.

I really like this a hell of a lot better than my previous Taurus 357 mag and Kel Tec P11 and should have done this in the first place.....

Funny thing; the guy in the shop asked me if I wanted to see the "best gun in the shop to carry?" I figured he was headed for the Sig Sauers, but he grabbed this gun.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/SW38sp.jpg

[elderboy02]

I use a Desantis Nemesis holster for mine.

[floydpink]

I use a Desantis Nemesis holster for mine.


Have the Desantis pocket holster. Love it.

[Teeznutz]

Sig 229....Thanks all for the cool pics!

[floydpink]

Kinda off topic, but I was looking a pic of Florida today.....
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/Florida_state-785805.gif

And noticed its shape looks remarkably like my new S&W
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/SW38sp.jpg

And hereby proclaim it the "Gunshine State"

[Tim D.]

You sound like some of the guys over here: http://www.mdshooters.com

Not that there's anything wrong with that ;)

Mark,

Thanks for the heads-up on the MD Shooters website. They definitely look like MY kinda people! :tu

[elderboy02]

Kinda off topic, but I was looking a pic of Florida today.....
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/Florida_state-785805.gif

And noticed its shape looks remarkably like my new S&W
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/rastapete69/SW38sp.jpg

And hereby proclaim it the "Gunshine State"

Ha ha ha. That is great :r

[MiamiE]

For trade? :D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/MiamiE/n747953833_1975855_7608.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/MiamiE/Padron.jpg

[elderboy02]

For trade? :D

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/MiamiE/n747953833_1975855_7608.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y169/MiamiE/Padron.jpg

Very nice! What country of origin?

[floydpink]

Hey guys, question;

Do you feel there is a big difference in rounds as far as defense is concerned?

I use Remington jacketed hollowpoints both for range and carry lately as I believe they are the same the police use, not that that should be a deciding factor. I guess it's just easier to keep a box of 50 for both.

The new Critical Defense were suggested as they apparantly are not affected by heavy clothing, like leather, which I have heard affects a normal hp round. Elderboy also has me looking at the Gold Dots and made a valid point about the Critical Defense rounds being relatively new and unproven thus far.

Living in Florida, and the cold weather almost gone, I'm not sure if this is a valid concern.

I've said it before, my personal defense has no price tag.

[elderboy02]

Hey guys, question;

Do you feel there is a big difference in rounds as far as defense is concerned?

I use Remington jacketed hollowpoints both for range and carry lately as I believe they are the same the police use, not that that should be a deciding factor. I guess it's just easier to keep a box of 50 for both.

The new Critical Defense were suggested as they apparantly are not affected by heavy clothing, like leather, which I have heard affects a normal hp round. Elderboy also has me looking at the Gold Dots and made a valid point about the Critical Defense rounds being relatively new and unproven thus far.

Living in Florida, and the cold weather almost gone, I'm not sure if this is a valid concern.

I've said it before, my personal defense has no price tag.

There is a difference between FMJ and JHP. FMJ's can over penetrate. Head on over to ar15.com and click on the handguns tab. There is a forum for ammunition and the have reviews. Basically, Winchester Ranger, Federal HST, Corbon, and Speer Gold Dots are great.

[MiamiE]

Romanian WASR 10.

[Junior]

Just a few.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/Pistol.jpg
My new S&W M&P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/1873/1873-2.jpg
My 1873

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/Guns/AR-15-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/Guns/AR-1.jpg
The boys

[Junior]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/SASS%20Guns/Vaqueros.jpg
My Vaqueros

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/junior897/Smoky%20Mountain%20Shootout/IMG_7024.jpg
One of my Vaqueros getting a Black Powder workout.

I wish I had some of my 1866, and my true Winchester 1897, but oh well. The rest of my collection went down in a tragic boating accident.

[elderboy02]

Nice pictures Junior! Sadly, like many others on here, I lost most of my guns in a tragic boating accident as well :( :D

[smokeyandthebandit05]

So a guy my dad works with is sellin a brand new, never fired, marlin lever action 30-30. MSRP is $522.14 and Im gettin it for $250!

I'll get some pics when I get it tomorrow!

[elderboy02]

So a guy my dad works with is sellin a brand new, never fired, marlin lever action 30-30. MSRP is $522.14 and Im gettin it for $250!

I'll get some pics when I get it tomorrow!

Dang, you are freaking lucky! That is a steal! :dance:

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Dang, you are freaking lucky! That is a steal! :dance:



Yeah I know it is!!! Hes gettin married and I figure he needs $$$. My uncles who I work with are tellin me its too much lol. And then they quote prices from the 70's when they were buyin them, then I look up the going price on my phone and they dont have much to say lol.

[Ace$nyper]

No pics yet but my M1895 kicks ass.

Such a fun shooter :)

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I want a Winchester model 95 soooooo bad. M friend has one from way way back in the day and its such a nice shooter I cant even explain it, it just idk shoots its self its sooo smooth. Thats why I want a 95 but they stopped making them :(
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[smokeyandthebandit05]

Im looking for some bandoliers, 1 for shotgun and 1 maybe 2 for rifle. Anyone have any experience with certain brands?

[RottenZombie]

Kimbers


124



In case the zombies come


125

Why does every one want to hate on us Zombies..:(






:rolleyes::D

[Ubergopher]

Why does every one want to hate on us Zombies..:(






:rolleyes::D

You like to try and eat brains, and just generally invade our personal space.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Im looking for some bandoliers, 1 for shotgun and 1 maybe 2 for rifle. Anyone have any experience with certain brands?

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0037523228000a&type=product&cmCat=SEARCH_all&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&Ntk=Products&QueryText=bandolier&sort=all&Go.y=0&_D%3AhasJS=+&N=0&Nty=1&hasJS=true&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23&Go.x=0&_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1

[RottenZombie]

You like to try and eat brains, and just generally invade our personal space.

Mmmmmmmmm Brains..:dr:dr:dr:dr::D

[Catfish]

...Do you feel there is a big difference in rounds as far as defense is concerned?



Absolutely.

My personal preference is Speer Gold Dots. For the longest time Federal Hydra-Shocks were "it" to carry. What a lot of people didn't know was the FH-S had a very small velocity range envelope in which the round performed as designed. The Gold Dot's performance envelope is much greater.
:usa

[elderboy02]

Im looking for some bandoliers, 1 for shotgun and 1 maybe 2 for rifle. Anyone have any experience with certain brands?

I don't have a lot of recommendations on bandoliers. I bought a cheap one from some gun show vendor. I don't think the quality is that great b/c some of the loops are starting to fray.

[GhostRyder]

Absolutely.

My personal preference is Speer Gold Dots. For the longest time Federal Hydra-Shocks were "it" to carry. What a lot of people didn't know was the FH-S had a very small velocity range envelope in which the round performed as designed. The Gold Dot's performance envelope is much greater.
:usa

I just ordered some new rounds to try. Going to give the Hydra-Shok 124 gr +P+ loads a shot in the G19. Also, Hornady TAP 147 gr.

My go to right now is the Winchester Ranger (RA9T), although I'm all out at the moment. They are harder to find.

This is all hypothetical obviously, since I tragically lost all my firearms... obviously. :fu

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I don't have a lot of recommendations on bandoliers. I bought a cheap one from some gun show vendor. I don't think the quality is that great b/c some of the loops are starting to fray.




Do you know of any other means of carrying plentiful ammo?

[elderboy02]

Do you know of any other means of carrying plentiful ammo?

I can't think of any. Maybe a tactical vest with lots of pockets. Of course, you can carry ammo cans. Hopefully, someone else on here has some ideas.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I guess I'll have to go with the ammo cans

and here is my latest haul

1000 rounds Fiocchi .223 and Wild Bills beef jerky complete with mason jar, 60oz or jerky, and a stack of 12 tins of jerky chew!


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i244/smokeyandthebandit05/Picture041-1.jpg

[floydpink]

I can't think of any. Maybe a tactical vest with lots of pockets. Of course, you can carry ammo cans. Hopefully, someone else on here has some ideas.

check out www.cheaperthandirt.com they have all kinds of cool stuff and survival gear.

most I ever carry is an extra speedloader for my 38 sp, which is rare.

I figure if I need more than 5 shots, I am in a gunfight that I should have run from and will likely die from anyway.

Speaking of ammo, has anyone else noticed a big shortage?
I've been trying to find the Speer Gold Dot short barrels for a month with no luck.

Elderboy recommened them and research and talking has proven they are indeed best, although I wasn't really doubting him.

I guess Federal and Speer are the same company, so Federal Hydra Shocks it is until I can find Speers....

[Junior]

check out www.cheaperthandirt.com they have all kinds of cool stuff and survival gear.

most I ever carry is an extra speedloader for my 38 sp, which is rare.

I figure if I need more than 5 shots, I am in a gunfight that I should have run from and will likely die from anyway.

Speaking of ammo, has anyone else noticed a big shortage?
I've been trying to find the Speer Gold Dot short barrels for a month with no luck.

Elderboy recommened them and research and talking has proven they are indeed best, although I wasn't really doubting him.

I guess Federal and Speer are the same company, so Federal Hydra Shocks it is until I can find Speers....

Cheaperthandirt does have a lot of stuff, but I will not buy from them because of what they did after the election.

Have you checked midwayusa.com for the speers. Thats where I get mine.

[floydpink]

Cheaperthandirt does have a lot of stuff, but I will not buy from them because of what they did after the election.

Have you checked midwayusa.com for the speers. Thats where I get mine.

what did they do after the election?

checked Midway, backordered on the 38 sp short barrels, but thanks!

[Roland of Gilead]

Guns are bad. I don't own any. They scare me.

I sure don't own any guns like these...

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/203192499_yTiFH-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/99244832_ehanP-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/99245066_onTgp-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/225567867_Qtr2W-L.jpg


And I don't take pics of people shooting guns either...

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/281929897_YJA6J-XL-1.jpg


and so on.

That's all I can take...

I'm just so on edge now...

-Roland.

[floydpink]

Is that muzzle flash on the 3rd pic?

[Roland of Gilead]

Is that muzzle flash on the 3rd pic?

Muzzle flash? I don't know what that is.

Guns like these are bad and they scare me.

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/281923643_wR92Y-XL-1.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/281943147_K3H6D-XL-1.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/284200815_Rb9n9-XL-1.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/197402158_4JMjk-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/197418033_fBG5F-L.jpg

-Roland.

[Catfish]

Obviously a rank amateur that hasn't taken that many shots of guns in action. Definitely luck to get such awesome pics of a Thompson's brass in almost perfect synch in mid air.

Roland, go get some more practice taking pics of other people's guns. :rolleyes::cool2:;)

[floydpink]

Obviously a rank amateur that hasn't taken that many shots of guns in action. Definitely luck to get such awesome pics of a Thompson's brass in almost perfect synch in mid air.

Roland, go get some more practice taking pics of other people's guns. :rolleyes::cool2:;)


Ironic how I was thinking the exact same thing. Never met a gun enthusiast who isn't glad to talk about his guns as well as his right to bear arms.

Full of sarcasm and attitude for such a newbie as well.

I've vowed to limit the amount of times I call BS, but since you did...... Bravo!

[Roland of Gilead]

Ironic how I was thinking the exact same thing. Never met a gun enthusiast who isn't glad to talk about his guns as well as his right to bear arms.

Full of sarcasm and attitude for such a newbie as well.

I've vowed to limit the amount of times I call BS, but since you did...... Bravo!


Okay, okay... I like guns a little, and sometimes I take some pics of people shooting guns...

You guys saw through my charade! Bravo! Well played!:D

:cb

-Roland.

[floydpink]

Well played>?? I doubt you even took the pics. I'll even guess you googled them and went through a lot of work organizing them and posting them hoping someone would be impressed.
Quite possibly copyrighted material as well.

Poorly played, and might I suggest introducing yourself in the new inmate section??

You wasted your first 4 posts making a jackass of yourself, but fortunately did it in the firearms thread, not a trade or pif thread.

[Thrak]

*shrug* all those pics are absolutely from the same location, probably even the same day...

also his screen name lends itself to him being a gunslinger.

[GhostRyder]

Sweet pics. As far as ammo goes.. ammunitiontogo.com is where it is at. Pretty solid prices and one of the best ammo selections I have ever seen.

[Junior]

what did they do after the election?

checked Midway, backordered on the 38 sp short barrels, but thanks!

They jacked the price way up on ammo, and mags. Basically anthing that could be construed as an assault weapon.

example our low price $7.00
List Price $3.50
Your Savings -3.50 -100%

[floydpink]

The store and range I use is huge and they have a lot of buying power and great prices. Lately, though, certain brands and ammo are in short supply.

Smaller Glocks, for example, are on backorder.

I'd imagine I'll find the Gold Dots soon enough.

[Roland of Gilead]

Well played>?? I doubt you even took the pics. I'll even guess you googled them and went through a lot of work organizing them and posting them hoping someone would be impressed.
Quite possibly copyrighted material as well.

Poorly played, and might I suggest introducing yourself in the new inmate section??

You wasted your first 4 posts making a jackass of yourself, but fortunately did it in the firearms thread, not a trade or pif thread.

Wow. ooookay.

Just for the record, I love to shoot guns, and have been since I could hold one. I also find shooting a camera fun too. Trust me when I say, I own all the copyrights to the images I posted.

Sorry if I ruffled anyones feathers.

Some more just for fun...

Someone always calles "photoshop" on this one...
http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/196589531_suJU3-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/197172873_7Wp8R-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/197325804_jR8KX-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/164049420_5NRHN-L.jpg

http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/165108310_tWTf3-L.jpg

-Roland.

[elderboy02]

I love those photos Roland! Welcome!

[floydpink]

sorry Roland. Good pics and glad to see some nice firearms.

[JE3146]

Well played>?? I doubt you even took the pics. I'll even guess you googled them and went through a lot of work organizing them and posting them hoping someone would be impressed.
Quite possibly copyrighted material as well.

Poorly played, and might I suggest introducing yourself in the new inmate section??

You wasted your first 4 posts making a jackass of yourself, but fortunately did it in the firearms thread, not a trade or pif thread.

Was this even necessary?

[Roland of Gilead]

Was this even necessary?


No worries.

I should have used more smilies!

;)

:D

:cb

[floydpink]

It's not you Roland, nor your lack of smiley faces, and it wasn't necessary Jordan. It's ME, I am an asshole most of the time and should think before I post ALL the time. Again, I am sorry for my stupid post. Amazing they gave me a concealed weapon permit, huh????

Anyway, for those who use guns, I was wondering if anyone feels there is any merit to carrying a speedloader for a revolver? Personally, I find it cumbersome and doubt I would ever use it.

Lastly, does anyone have any experience with Crimson Trace laser grips?

[elderboy02]

It's not you Roland, nor your lack of smiley faces, and it wasn't necessary Jordan. It's ME, I am an asshole most of the time and should think before I post ALL the time. Again, I am sorry for my stupid post. Amazing they gave me a concealed weapon permit, huh????

Anyway, for those who use guns, I was wondering if anyone feels there is any merit to carrying a speedloader for a revolver? Personally, I find it cumbersome and doubt I would ever use it.

Lastly, does anyone have any experience with Crimson Trace laser grips?

Don't worry about it floyd. Everyone makes mistakes.

Speedloaders - I have a few of them. I don't carry them on a regular basis. I too find them cumbersome. I only carry them on certain occasions (going to the range, going to very bad neighborhoods).

Crimson Trace Laser Grips - I have them on my Glock 23. I abosolutely love them. I also carry my G23 and they do not get in the way. I actually find that they help me grip the gun better. I like the ability to think that if I ever had to lay on my side and shoot my gun, I could just use my laser to find my target. I think it would be hard to line up the sights horizontally. Also, imagine trying to line up your sights with one hand.

[Roland of Gilead]

It's not you Roland, nor your lack of smiley faces, and it wasn't necessary Jordan. It's ME, I am an asshole most of the time and should think before I post ALL the time. Again, I am sorry for my stupid post. Amazing they gave me a concealed weapon permit, huh????

Anyway, for those who use guns, I was wondering if anyone feels there is any merit to carrying a speedloader for a revolver? Personally, I find it cumbersome and doubt I would ever use it.

Lastly, does anyone have any experience with Crimson Trace laser grips?


I don't think I would carry a speed loader for a revolver. If I was to carry a revolver (I'm thinking about a S&W 340PD) it's because I want to drop it in my pocket and forget about it. A speed loader would be more poop in my pockets/on my belt. I normally carry a Glock 23 and a mag or two.

I have used Crimson Trace a few times. They're based here in Beaverton, Oregon and they have been to a few matches that I have been to. One time, they used a Sig in .45ACP as a "pick up gun" and it was equipped with the grips. I didn't really even notice the laser because I was using the sites (it was daytime). I have seen people use them with great effect in night matches though.

-Mark.

[JE3146]

It's not you Roland, nor your lack of smiley faces, and it wasn't necessary Jordan. It's ME, I am an asshole most of the time and should think before I post ALL the time. Again, I am sorry for my stupid post. Amazing they gave me a concealed weapon permit, huh????

Anyway, for those who use guns, I was wondering if anyone feels there is any merit to carrying a speedloader for a revolver? Personally, I find it cumbersome and doubt I would ever use it.

Lastly, does anyone have any experience with Crimson Trace laser grips?

No worries floyd ;)


As for the speedloader, I can't help but think of Boondock Saints.

("There's 9 bodies genius, what were you gonna do? LAUGH THE LAST 3 TO DEATH? FUNNY MAN" :r)

Some say if you need more than 6 shots, you don't need a handgun, you need a SWAT team.

The odds of you needing more than 6 shots are 1 in a million instances where you'd need a gun. My philosophy is if you're already preparing for that 1 in a million chance where you might need a gun, what's the harm in preparing for that 1 in 1 trillion chance you'll need more than 6 shots ;) :r

[Catfish]

Malfunctions happen. Even though my XDm holds 17, if the first round jams or double feeds and I must perform a failure / clearing drill, I will need a 2nd magazine or I'm out of action.

And that isn't a good thing.

I will not be shot for lack of shooting back.

[Roland of Gilead]

Malfunctions happen. Even though my XDm holds 17, if the first round jams or double feeds and I must perform a failure / clearing drill, I will need a 2nd magazine or I'm out of action.

And that isn't a good thing.

I will not be shot for lack of shooting back.


With an autoloader, I agree. But with a small 5 or 6 shot revolver... Not so much.


-Roland.

[floydpink]

I've been told that he average gunfight, or incident, imvolves 3 total shots, takes place under 7 yards, and lasts less than 10 seconds, so if anything, I might try out those speed strips, which don't take up much space at all.

I like the Crimson Traces, but really like the new grips the're putting on the S&W Airweight 642 I carry. I'm almost positive they make a model with the traces on them, so maybe I should hold one before plopping down the $250 for the grips.

They are definitely a nice modification and, if nothing else, the psychological effect of a laser on a badguy's chest might avoid a situation I hope to never actually be in, but am prepared and practicing to be in if needed.

I'm glad that there's a firemarm thread here as it is one of the first I go to lately, especially after drinking.:r

[floydpink]

Malfunctions happen. Even though my XDm holds 17, if the first round jams or double feeds and I must perform a failure / clearing drill, I will need a 2nd magazine or I'm out of action.

And that isn't a good thing.

I will not be shot for lack of shooting back.

That's precisely the reason I traded in my Kel Tec P11, the lightest 9 mm made.

It was very concealable, but misfed at least once every 10 rounds. I was in forum that encouraged new users to put 200 rounds through it before trusting it as well as taking a dremel and polishing the feed ramp and doing light sanding inside the slide, etc. They call it a "Kel Tec fluff and buff". The problems I mentioned are common in Kel Tecs.

Combined with the large amount of plastic and 9 pound and very long trigger pull, it wasn't a gun I wanted to trust with my life, no matter how easy it was to carry.

I've always been a fan of revolvers due to the lack of buttons, moving parts, safeties, etc, as well as the fact they go "bang" EVERY time you pull the trigger.

I couldn't be happier with my Smith and Wesson J Frame.

[bonjing]

well if you do want to carry a speed loader for a revolver, don't forget the speed strips that you can use versus the traditional speed loaders. just like anything else it takes practice to use them properly, but i have seen reloads done pretty quick with the speed strips.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=243389

[TheManWithNoName]

Generic pic of my SA XDM.40. Will post the pic of .40, torch, knife, etc. later when I get home.

http://godgunsglory.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/xdm.jpg

Generic pic of my S&W 410 in .40 cal.

http://www.nu-lawgroup.co.za/images/Smith%20&%20Wesson%20410.jpg


Those two look good Catfish. I've been looking at some Glocks, the G30 and G36, in .45 for when I apply for my concealed carry permit in a few months. But I liked the looks of those SA's also.

[Catfish]

I've been looking at some Glocks, the G30 and G36, in .45 for when I apply for my concealed carry permit in a few months. But I liked the looks of those SA's also.


My first and best possible piece of advice to anyone considering their first handgun:

Find a range that allows you to rent / shoot several models of weapon before you spend $400 - $1000 on a gun only to find you are uncomfortable holding it to fire it.

Even though most models available have many of the same / similar features you may be desire, the MOST important aspect of a gun ( ESPECIALLY one used for personal defense / concealed carry ) is the degree to which you are comfortable operating it.

The grip centerline to barrel angle makes some weapons feel very different to bring on target comfortably to an individual.

Also, the width of a grip makes certain guns feel more or less comfortable to a shooter.

In my personal case, the grip to barrel angle of a 1911 is perfect. The Springfield XDM's angle is very close to that of a 1911. Also, for being a high capacity automatic, the grip width is very narrow. A feature I find extremely valuable as my hands are not very large.

There are many, many aspects to an automatic or even a revolver to consider when buying a gun. The best thing you can do is be patient and explore your options before dropping the amount of money you will for a gun.

Remember, like anything else, as soon as you walk out of the place you purchased it from, the weapon is now considered used and very rarely will you get what if not more than you paid for it should you choose to sell it.

Any questions you have, please ask. Any answer I can't give I'll be more than happy to direct you to a place you can find one.

Good luck on your search and I hope you find something that is comforting, if not comfortable to carry.

[floydpink]

That's great advice Catfish. I like Glocks a lot and love Sig Sauers. Glocks never feel right in my hand though and Sigs are a bit too pricey for a second gun.

I would advise anyone thinking a getting a concealeled weapon to take the class and file the papers now. Once you get the gun and start wanting to carry it, the 90 day wait for the permit will seem like a lifetime.

Start the process now, even if you're not sure what firearm you want to carry.

Also if you find a small Glock, like a G19 available on the shelf, you're lucky. I never see them and I go to a very large dealer. Then again, I can't even find short barrell Speer Gold Dots that aren't backordered.

PS. That XDM 40 is really nice. I shot one.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Alright, Im on the hunt for ammo. Particularly .308 and 30-30. I went to that ammunitiontogo.com and I had some 30-30 in my basket and when I went back last night my basket was empty and there was no 30-30 in 150 gr. even mentioned on the website. Does anyone know anywhere that still has ammo?

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I found a pretty good website for ammo

http://outdoormarksman.com

They have reasonable prices and seem to have a good stock. Also they have 2 different warehouses for east and west coast orders.

I bought Federal 30-30 at 13.99 a box
and
Federal .308 at 17.50 a box

[TheManWithNoName]

Thanks for that advice Catfish, it sounds good. I've only ever fired a Glock .45 and a .357 magnum, double-action only, but the Glock was extremely accurate and easy to manage for me. But I may try out some more at a range, that definitely couldn't hurt.

[floydpink]

Alright, Im on the hunt for ammo. Particularly .308 and 30-30. I went to that ammunitiontogo.com and I had some 30-30 in my basket and when I went back last night my basket was empty and there was no 30-30 in 150 gr. even mentioned on the website. Does anyone know anywhere that still has ammo?

I was searching and searching for Speer Gold Dot short barrel and ammunitiontogo was the only place I found it. They sent me a confirmation that also said it will be up to 9 days before they even ship it due to the extremely high sales volume.

Ammunition To Go
------------------------------------------------------
Order Number: 97258
Detailed Invoice: https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/account_history_info.php?order_id=97258
Date Ordered: Monday 23 February, 2009

The comments for your order are

Thank you for your order. Due to an extremely high number of orders, your product will be shipped out within 9 - 12 working business days.

[gpugliese]

I received my LTC in the mail today, much much faster than I expected (only took about 4 weeks versus the estimated 10-12 week wait I had heard as of late).

I'm quite happy. :)

[Catfish]

I received my LTC in the mail today...


I assume you mean your CCW permit?

[floydpink]

License to Carry I believe he means.

Did you do the electric fingerprints at a police station? If so, that's why it went faster.....

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I was searching and searching for Speer Gold Dot short barrel and ammunitiontogo was the only place I found it. They sent me a confirmation that also said it will be up to 9 days before they even ship it due to the extremely high sales volume.

Ammunition To Go
------------------------------------------------------
Order Number: 97258
Detailed Invoice: https://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/account_history_info.php?order_id=97258
Date Ordered: Monday 23 February, 2009

The comments for your order are

Thank you for your order. Due to an extremely high number of orders, your product will be shipped out within 9 - 12 working business days.


I had my order all ready to go at ammunitiontogo.com but I went back today to check out and I kinda got screwed over and thats when I searched for ammo prices. I hope the same thing doesnt happen when I go to check out at outdoormarksman.com

[smokeyandthebandit05]

hey floyd




http://east.outdoormarksman.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=speer+gold+dot&x=0&y=0&search_in_description=1



Im not sure if its any help but they have speer gold dot

[floydpink]

hey floyd




http://east.outdoormarksman.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=speer+gold+dot&x=0&y=0&search_in_description=1



Im not sure if its any help but they have speer gold dot


Thanks brother, I appreciate it, but just ordered 20 and that should hold me over.

I am still trying to decide whether or not to get the Crimson Trace grips and am told the cheaer model isn't worth it and you need to get the $300 ones, which is kinda pricey.

[GhostRyder]

My ammotogo order shipped in 3 days despite that disclaimer, so I wouldn't worry too much about it. I'm pumped. Should be here this week... 500+ 9mm rounds some tracers to feed the Bushmonster.

[gpugliese]

I assume you mean your CCW permit?

No, in order to own or purchase a handgun in Mass you need a LTC. Shotguns and rifles can apply for a FID, but it's still a complicated and long process. Because I live in Boston, they deny concealed carry to 99.9% of applicants (that's an entirely different conversation), but I can easily pick up a NH CCW now. I've got family up there and visit often.

Floyd, only my right index was digitally scanned, which is used in addition to a PIN when purchasing firearms from a FFL. They did the standard ink printing for the background/criminal check.

[DPD6030]

I know I said earlier (way earlier) the guns that I owned. Well here's some gun p*rn. Here's the pistols.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1408
Overview

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1409
Duty Weapon Glock 23 with high cap magazine

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1410
Walther PPKS .380 issued as backup

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1413
S&W .38 airweight

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1414
Old .22 Husqvarna passed down from my grandfather to father to me

[DPD6030]

Here comes the long guns.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1415
Shotguns, small one is a H&R .410, Remington 870 12 gauge and my new and never shot Benelli 3 1/2" Magnum Super Nova (DU Edition)

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1411
H&R 3" 12 gauge single-shot slugmaster and a Marlin .22 bolt action

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=42&pictureid=1412
Remington Wingmaster 760 30.06 and my T/C muzzleloader

[GTsetGO]

My Remington 1100 should be here this Friday. Woo hoo

[floydpink]

Got a tax return burning a hole in my pocket, so I went out and bought the Crimson Laer Trace grips for my S&W 38.

After reading and reading, it seemed that ponying up the extra hundred bucks for the 405 model was the way to go as the 305 model seriously compromises pocket conceal due to its size. The grips on the 305 are a lot longer than the others as well, which maked the gun larger.

The guys in the tactical department at the store/range were slow, so they installed the grips for me. The sights ligned up perfectly, so it was time for a range test.

I wouldn't normally use 148 grain jhps for target practice, but the store has had them on sale and they're only a couple bucks more than the cheap stuff and I always like to practice with real life ammo if it's affordable.

I bought three silouettes and started at 7 yards. I am normally a decent shot, but with the laser, I put everything directly on the center red X.

Further distances and aging eyes are normally where my challenges start, but dang, 25 yards and my little snubbie is still dead on.

I'm not sure if the CT's are gonna help in a tense situation, but they certainly won't hurt, especially in low light.

All in all, this is a very cool thing to add to a gun and I really am glad I did.

[elderboy02]

Congrats on the laser grips purchase Floyd! They are awesome!

[Sauer Grapes]

Thanks for the crimson trace review.

I may get some one day, but for now I am too cheap and more importantly I want to continue to improve using the standard sights before upgrading to them so I'll just be that much better.

[Catfish]

...I'm not sure if the CT's are gonna help in a tense situation, but they certainly won't hurt, especially in low light.

I'm sure I don't need to remind you of this but i've seen it before so I'll say it anyways. Make certain you still practice w/o the laser. Just like the highest quality weapon can malfunction, so can lasers. Getting comfortable with that "point-and-click" accuracy of a laser can be addicting and lure you into relying on it.

[floydpink]

I'm sure I don't need to remind you of this but i've seen it before so I'll say it anyways. Make certain you still practice w/o the laser. Just like the highest quality weapon can malfunction, so can lasers. Getting comfortable with that "point-and-click" accuracy of a laser can be addicting and lure you into relying on it.


My brother is a Sgt up North and constantly reminds me to not forget how to shoot and I won't.

Catfish, thanks for the link, just became a lifetime member of NRA!!!

[Catfish]

Catfish, thanks for the link, just became a lifetime member of NRA!!!

Outstanding!

A couple guys here wanted to join but are lazy. I signed em up for the "no magazine" membership, eeheheheheh. WTF... Only $10 apiece to add another member to the numbers!!

[357]

I only have the factory photo of my pistol. It's also my avatar. Here's the larger version...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v139/357magnum/kimber2.jpg

[elderboy02]

My brother is a Sgt up North and constantly reminds me to not forget how to shoot and I won't.

Catfish, thanks for the link, just became a lifetime member of NRA!!!

Nice! I am also a lifetime member of the NRA. I love being able to vote in the annual elections.

[Catfish]

Nice weapon, 357.

Be careful around boats!

[357]

Nice weapon, 357.

Be careful around boats!

Thanks,


but, boats?

[elderboy02]

Thanks,


but, boats?

You know.... the one all of us gun owners had.... you know.....

Sir, turn in your weapons... but, but I lost them all in a tragic boating accident. :tu

[357]

You know.... the one all of us gun owners had.... you know.....

Sir, turn in your weapons... but, but I lost them all in a tragic boating accident. :tu

Amen to that. There are tons of deep lakes in and around Michigan.

:D

[Ubergopher]

I just put half down on a 5.7 upper for my AR-15. I was set on a .223 upper, but the wait was to long, plus this thing looks cool. Once I get it assembled I'll show you. Its freakin' awesome.

[GTsetGO]

Newest Addition to my safe

Remington 1100 Classic Field

http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn286/gtsetgo/guns/IMG_0562.jpg
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn286/gtsetgo/guns/IMG_0563.jpg

[WildBlueSooner]

Some nice guns in here. Will post mine when I get them back. They are still in KY as I did not move them down here with me.

[AAlmeter]

Just picked up one of these today... http://gunrunner1000.com/zencart/images/STAG_6.8_lower

Now I need to figure out what Im gonna do with it.

[GTsetGO]

Just picked up one of these today... http://gunrunner1000.com/zencart/images/STAG_6.8_lower

Now I need to figure out what Im gonna do with it.

I should be getting mine in a few weeks and then i have another one on order. :tu

[elderboy02]

Nice pickups GTsetGo & AAlmeter!

[pearson]

I just put half down on a 5.7 upper for my AR-15. I was set on a .223 upper, but the wait was to long, plus this thing looks cool. Once I get it assembled I'll show you. Its freakin' awesome.

They are kind of front heavy but are a blast to shoot, buy lots of ammo.

[GTsetGO]

Nice pickups GTsetGo & AAlmeter!

thanks. you don't want to know what i paid for it. :dance:

[357]

Just picked up one of these today... http://gunrunner1000.com/zencart/images/STAG_6.8_lower

Now I need to figure out what Im gonna do with it.

Go to http://www.model1sales.com and buy a 6.8mm upper kit. Can't beat their prices, and I've heard nothing but good things about quality.

[gpugliese]

Got two new toys in to "celebrate" finally getting my license:

http://gregpugliese.com/g17.jpg
http://gregpugliese.com/sig.jpg

Needless to say this new hobby is putting a huge dent in my cigar budget.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Needless to say this new hobby is putting a huge dent in my cigar budget.


Mine too lol

Bought the 23 boxes of 30-30 just bought another 15 today. Its kinda concerning when you hear from several state troopers to stock up on ammo...

[smokeyandthebandit05]

And with hearing the feds wanna tax ammo by 500% and serial number each casing I feel its better to buy now instead of paying say 100 bucks for 20 rounds of .223 at around 20 bucks a box now.

[Thrak]

at least you can find ammo, we've been totally wiped out here for months... as soon as a shipment comes in, its gone. Literally, the workers have been saying in less than an hour they go from being overstock (compared to "normal) to sold out.

Its crazy.

[elderboy02]

Got two new toys in to "celebrate" finally getting my license:

http://gregpugliese.com/g17.jpg
http://gregpugliese.com/sig.jpg

Needless to say this new hobby is putting a huge dent in my cigar budget.

Nice G17! That is a 2nd generation, correct?

[357]

And with hearing the feds wanna tax ammo by 500% and serial number each casing I feel its better to buy now instead of paying say 100 bucks for 20 rounds of .223 at around 20 bucks a box now.

Hell Biden wants to ban handgun ammo and any long gun with a pistol grip, which they define as any grip that isn't parallel to the barrel. Evidently that would make any long gun an assault rifle.

[Tombstone]

In the near future we will be throwing rocks because the government will have destroyed all of our guns.

[Catfish]

If you aren't a member of the NRA, you need to be. I also highly recommend everyone here that supports the 2nd ammendment to check out this link. I will be there. This could be the ultimate herf as well...

The Second Ammendment March (http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/)

[Tombstone]

If you aren't a member of the NRA, you need to be. I also highly recommend everyone here that supports the 2nd ammendment to check out this link. I will be there. This could be the ultimate herf as well...

The Second Ammendment March (http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/)

Thanks for the info!!

[gpugliese]

Nice G17! That is a 2nd generation, correct?

Yea. Only a few of the third generation models are legal in MA due to the dealer ban on any Glock manufactured past October 1998 (thanks dimwit Attorney General!).

Even the second gens seem hard to come by at times.

[floydpink]

In the near future we will be throwing rocks because the government will have destroyed all of our guns.

From what I have read and heard, you will be grandfathered in if there are changes, so better get while the getting is good.

In Florida, there are 70 bins of unprocessed CCW applications and, surprisingly, they have budgeted for 60 more state employees to help with the backlog, mostly in the criminal background department.

Also surprising, they are still doing well in processing in the mandated 90 day period for concealed carry.

[elderboy02]

From what I have read and heard, you will be grandfathered in if there are changes, so better get while the getting is good.

In Florida, there are 70 bins of unprocessed CCW applications and, surprisingly, they have budgeted for 60 more state employees to help with the backlog, mostly in the criminal background department.

Also surprising, they are still doing well in processing in the mandated 90 day period for concealed carry.

Wow, that is a long time to wait for a permit. Here in Ohio, once you go through all the mandated testing, background check, etc. it took me 3 days to get my permit. :)

[357]

Wow, that is a long time to wait for a permit. Here in Ohio, once you go through all the mandated testing, background check, etc. it took me 3 days to get my permit. :)

In Michigan it can take up to 6 weeks once you submit your paperwork, fee, finger prints, and photos. Renewals tend to come quicker. It varies greatly depending on what county you're in.

[Tombstone]

Just sent in my CCW app. Last time it took about 2 weeks. How often does everyone carry?

[Thrak]

Just sent in my CCW app. Last time it took about 2 weeks. How often does everyone carry?

As often as I can. :dance:

[elderboy02]

Just sent in my CCW app. Last time it took about 2 weeks. How often does everyone carry?

Whenever possible. :)

[AAlmeter]

In Michigan it can take up to 6 weeks once you submit your paperwork, fee, finger prints, and photos. Renewals tend to come quicker. It varies greatly depending on what county you're in.



Aww screw all you guys! :fu2


It's roughly a one year process here in NY. Hell, it took me 3 weeks to get the permit application. :bh

[357]

Aww screw all you guys! :fu2


It's roughly a one year process here in NY. Hell, it took me 3 weeks to get the permit application. :bh

That's the beauty of being in a "shall issue" state I guess. That, plus I don't have to demonstrate some specific "need" to bear arms in order to be granted permission to carry.

[elderboy02]

That's the beauty of being in a "shall issue" state I guess. That, plus I don't have to demonstrate some specific "need" to bear arms in order to be granted permission to carry.

:tpd: That is what the 2nd Amendment is all about :wo

[Tombstone]

On my application i put i need the CCW for personal protection. They should grant me the license correct?

[DPD6030]

Thank goodness I'm a LEO. In MI I don't need a CCW only my dept. ID. :D And when I retire I still get to carry with my retired ID.

[GhostRyder]

I'll be applying for mine as soon as my 21st rolls around. In Virginia they aren't difficult to get and my Clerk of my local Circuit Court seemed to believe I'd have no trouble getting mine pretty quickly. Whenever you all get the chance support the right to concealed carry on college campuses. I'm a Virginia Tech student, and after the events of April 16th, 2007 I'm even more firm in my resolve to carry all the time. A knife only does so much good.

I don't have time to get on my soap box about it, but if you haven't read anything by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman I highly recommend it. All you LEOs and military personnel out there MUST read On Combat and On Killing. GREAT books.

...I digress.

Concealed Carry = Good.

[Catfish]

.... How often does everyone carry?

Anyplace I am on any day that ends in Y. If you see me, i'm well armed.

[Tombstone]

Anyplace I am on any day that ends in Y. If you see me, i'm well armed.

I like it!

[357]

On my application i put i need the CCW for personal protection. They should grant me the license correct?

I'm 99% sure Alabama is a shall issue state. In shall issue states all you need to be is a non-felon basically. There are a few alcohol or domestic abuse misdemeanors that will also disqualify you. Anyway, in other states you often have to be a business owner, or someone who does bank drops, something some biased gun board considers a "need". Michigan was like this prior to 7/1/01, although the scrutiny varied by county.

[Catfish]

I like it!

I'm of the mindset that guns aren't comfortable, they are comforting. I can't ever see a reason not to be ready to go to work.

[Roland of Gilead]

Thank goodness I'm a LEO. In MI I don't need a CCW only my dept. ID. :D And when I retire I still get to carry with my retired ID.

I guess some citizens are more equall than others...



I carry daily.

I don't believe that one should need a permit to exersize a God given right.


-Roland.

[Junior]

And with hearing the feds wanna tax ammo by 500% and serial number each casing I feel its better to buy now instead of paying say 100 bucks for 20 rounds of .223 at around 20 bucks a box now.

They have tried the serial number thing a few times in different states, and it hasn't worked so far. Hopefully it won't in any state. I am a reloader so the serial number thing would pretty much put me out of business as far as rolling my own.

I hope they change there minds and remember what happened when they passed the Brady bill. A lot of congressmen lost there seats.

[floydpink]

Wow, that is a long time to wait for a permit. Here in Ohio, once you go through all the mandated testing, background check, etc. it took me 3 days to get my permit. :)

The problem is that it's taking almost 3 months just to process the applications and file the fingerprints. When I applied, I did the electric fingerprints and it cut about a month off the process, but that's not the case anymore. I recall the wait being much worse than a shipment of cigars.

There are litterally thousands of applications rolling in to the Dept Of Agriculture and I think you really don't know who's carrying in Florida anymore.

[357]

I guess some citizens are more equall than others...



I carry daily.

I don't believe that one should need a permit to exersize a God given right.


-Roland.

You're right on. What kind of uproar there would be if they proposed a law requiring a training class, a fee, and a permit to exercise your first amendment rights?

Think about it, now that the Supreme Court has ruled the second amendment is an individual right, the fight should be all but won. Now the NRA should start going after infringement in all of its many forms: registration, any/all restrictions on types and classifications, excessive fees, or delays/waiting periods.

Next on the list of laws to strike down should be any that restrict carry. The second amendment doesn't just garauntee the right to keep arms, but to BEAR them.

[Tombstone]

Great Point 357!!

[Catfish]

I have a girl here in the office was beside herself, baffled as I attempted to explain to her there was no official gun registration in Florida. She was informing me something she had learned the night before; that if a person files an injunction against a person in the state of Florida, that person will receive a visit from local law enforcement and will have their guns confiscated. I asked her how that was enforceable as there was no gun registry in Fl. She was convinced that there should be a gun registry and that people should be licensed and that gun ownership was a privelege, not a right.

Oh, BTW....? No explanation as to why she thought that. Only that in her mind, that's the way it should be.

[elderboy02]

I have a girl here in the office was beside herself, baffled as I attempted to explain to her there was no official gun registration in Florida. She was informing me something she had learned the night before; that if a person files an injunction against a person in the state of Florida, that person will receive a visit from local law enforcement and will have their guns confiscated. I asked her how that was enforceable as there was no gun registry in Fl. She was convinced that there should be a gun registry and that people should be licensed and that gun ownership was a privelege, not a right.

Oh, BTW....? No explanation as to why she thought that. Only that in her mind, that's the way it should be.

Don't argue with people like her. Their brains hurt them when they hear facts. :r

[Catfish]

no, no, no... I don't argue. Not with stubbornly ignorant people. I have better things to do and time better spent than to waste time battling arrogant ignorance.

Like dusting my dashboard with dead fly's wings.

[elderboy02]

no, no, no... I don't argue. Not with stubbornly ignorant people. I have better things to do and time better spent than to waste time battling arrogant ignorance.

Like dusting my dashboard with dead fly's wings.

Exactly. Almost everytime an anti-gunner tries to throw some BS at me, I just ignore them. Sometimes, if a person is willing to listen, I will try to have a friendly debate with them. No name calling, calm voices, etc.

[ahc4353]

...
Next on the list of laws to strike down should be any that restrict carry. The second amendment doesn't just garauntee the right to keep arms, but to BEAR them.

Sign me up! (I am a NRA Member as info.)

If we could pull that off in NJ that would be amazing!

[Tombstone]

I have a girl here in the office was beside herself, baffled as I attempted to explain to her there was no official gun registration in Florida. She was informing me something she had learned the night before; that if a person files an injunction against a person in the state of Florida, that person will receive a visit from local law enforcement and will have their guns confiscated. I asked her how that was enforceable as there was no gun registry in Fl. She was convinced that there should be a gun registry and that people should be licensed and that gun ownership was a privelege, not a right.

Oh, BTW....? No explanation as to why she thought that. Only that in her mind, that's the way it should be.

Sadly, the only item that guarantees our freedom (gun) in America has been demonized by our PC society and politicians. This is just one of the ways to cripple a nation into socialism/communism.

[floydpink]

I am in a Harley Davidson forum and there was a 35 page debate that started with the OP asking the best firearm to carry on a motorcycle.

It degraded into a bunch of anti gun fools stating that common sense and a cel phone are the best weapons and people who carry are trying to portray a tough guy image.

I wish that was the case here in Florida.

[Catfish]

Common sense and a cell phone, eh?

I'm not saying I disagree entirely. In my personal opinion, a lot of people could stay out of a lot more trouble than they get into if they used a skosh more common sense.

I arm myself to protect myself and my family from those who wish to do us harm.

[JE3146]

I've been looking for this stockset for years. Never could afford it, and now with OBAMA in office, they're harder to get than skittles in a crack house.

Finally got ahold of one through a trade, so it didn't cost me anything, and I still got the stock :)

Without further ado, here's my newly dressed baby :wo

http://oregonstate.edu/~edgarj/CA/OTHER/UBR1.jpg

http://oregonstate.edu/~edgarj/CA/OTHER/UBR2.jpg

[floydpink]

Oh man, that is sweet. One day......

Have you shot it yet?

[JE3146]

Oh man, that is sweet. One day......

Have you shot it yet?

That AR has no less than 2-3k rounds through it :D I've had it since I was 18. Just have been modifying it bit by bit.

As for the stock.. haven't shot it with the new stock, but it is replacing an equally similar M93B stockset which is like an older version of the UBR that I pictured above. They are very similar so they should perform the same.

[elderboy02]

Nice UBR Jordan! :tu

[JE3146]

Nice UBR Jordan! :tu

ty ty :dance:

[floydpink]

I do believe any threats of home invasion have now been adressed Jordan, including Russians as well as Zombies.;)

I believe an AR is the king of all home defense, although a shotgun with buckshot is worthy of consideration.

[JE3146]

I do believe any threats of home invasion have now been adressed Jordan, including Russians as well as Zombies.;)

http://oregonstate.edu/~edgarj/PHOTOALBUM/AR-AMMO.jpg

:we

:r

[Catfish]

Very nice.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I need to buy an ar!!!


Also what have u guys heard about the 500% ammo tax?

[JE3146]

I need to buy an ar!!!


Also what have u guys heard about the 500% ammo tax?

Sounds about like what has already happened these past few years...

[Tombstone]

I recieved my CCW license. It took 3 days!! Just joined the NRA also.

[elderboy02]

I recieved my CCW license. It took 3 days!! Just joined the NRA also.

:wo :dance: :tu :)

[357]

I recieved my CCW license. It took 3 days!! Just joined the NRA also.

Nice. I think my NRA membership has lapsed. I need to renew.

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Nice. I think my NRA membership has lapsed. I need to renew.

I was just thinkin that too, I havent gotten American Rifleman in a long time:confused:

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Everyone who likes firearms or just wants to preserve our consutuional rights should join. Its only $35 for a year

http://www.nra.com/

[Tombstone]

Everyone who likes firearms or just wants to preserve our consutuional rights should join. Its only $35 for a year

http://www.nra.com/

It's sad that in America people must lobby in order for us to maintain a constitutional right.

[elderboy02]

Everyone who likes firearms or just wants to preserve our consutuional rights should join. Its only $35 for a year

http://www.nra.com/

Actually, it is only $25 a year if you use this link: http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR018983 The NRA set up an affiliate agreement with AR15.com and you get a $10 discount if you use the link above :tu

If you are into guns, you should definitely be a NRA member right now. This is the most important time to be a member. There is a lot of crap in the works that the new administration will try to get passed.

[Tombstone]

Great Video. The second amendment is for our protection from the government. The second amendment was not meant to ensure our right to hunt.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675

[Catfish]

Link in my sig. Sign up. Sign your kids up. Sign your dog up. Sign your friends up. I average at least 1 friend / acquaintance a week I sign up. It's $10. I spend more than that on a damb stogie. If you know someone who is a gun owner that is not a member of the NRA, they are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem.

90 million gun owners in the US, my friends. With that kind of voting power, there isn't a pro-2nd ammendment bit of legislation we wouldn't be able to get passed.

[JasonI]

I'll have to take some pictures of my collection tonight. Just signed up for the NRA thanks for the link.

[Catfish]

I'll have to take some pictures of my collection tonight. Just signed up for the NRA thanks for the link.

Awesome stuff.

[Stig]

http://oregonstate.edu/~edgarj/PHOTOALBUM/AR-AMMO.jpg

:we

:r

Are you expecting a lot of company?

[Thrak]

thats not that much compared to some I know lol...

[elderboy02]

Jordan, I may have a little more ammo than that ;)

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Ive been told by 2 state troopers to buy as much as I can afford. That bein said I got 1000 rounds of .223 and 700 rounds of 30-30 just need to get some 00 buck and Im set

[elderboy02]

I don't know who owns all this ammo :dance:

Right now, ammo is the best investment you can have.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/Ammo%20Picture%206-13-08/100_1540.jpg

[smokeyandthebandit05]

I don't know who owns all this ammo :dance:

Right now, ammo is the best investment you can have.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z282/elderboy02/Ammo%20Picture%206-13-08/100_1540.jpg

Holy $hit!!! Im slowly makin my way up there. I only have 2 shotguns, a bolt action varmint .223 and a lever action 30-30 so I cant be goin crazy buyin all kinds of ammo but if the SHTF, ammo is always good to barter with

[O-Danger]

I have a girl here in the office was beside herself, baffled as I attempted to explain to her there was no official gun registration in Florida. She was informing me something she had learned the night before; that if a person files an injunction against a person in the state of Florida, that person will receive a visit from local law enforcement and will have their guns confiscated. I asked her how that was enforceable as there was no gun registry in Fl. She was convinced that there should be a gun registry and that people should be licensed and that gun ownership was a privelege, not a right.

Oh, BTW....? No explanation as to why she thought that. Only that in her mind, that's the way it should be.

Tell her to come to Canada...

I have been working on geting my gun license for the past 3 years. Not to say that this could not have been done easier (some can get it in as little as 3 months) but I am a little lazy. First you have to take a class on gun saftey, then you write a written test, then you perform a practical test. After this you fill out 2 forms, one for long guns (unrestricted) and one for handguns (restricted). You then send these forms along with your proof of completing the saftey course and proof of being a registered member at a gun club (if applying for a handgun license) 3 character references, and a smiling picture of yourself:). They then do a full background check on you and see that you arn't in the loony bin or out to hurt anyone. If you are lucky you recieve your licence back in 3 months, if your not it can take much much longer. Once you get your license back you have the regional chief of firearms come over to your house and inspect that you have proper storage for your firearms as not to have them stolen (of course seprate facilities for guns and amunition). You then get to buy your guns. Rifles take about a couple days to have the registration filled out and handguns can take a week or two. You are now the proud owner of a gun. Oh wait there are even more resitrictions.
Handguns may only be transported from locked safe, to firing range in a locked container... this is to say there is no such thing as a permit to carry.
You are not allowed to own any automatic weapons (not a big surprise here) or converted automatic weapons of any kind. Any handgun must have a barrel that is 5" in length or more (no snub nose). Handguns have a maximum ammo cap at 10 rounds (even if they can hold more mags have to be converted to 10 max). Rifles can only have 5 rounds... No tactical/ zombie hunting weapons for me.

Now you have a breif introduction at Canadian gun laws. What I don't understand is why they think Canada has to implement tougher laws... If someone is legally aquiring a gun... they are not going to use it to harm anyone. If I am a criminal do I really want to go through all that hassel...

End of rant:tu

[Tombstone]

What is the government going to do with ammo?

[smokeyandthebandit05]

What is the government going to do with ammo?

Tax us out of the wazoo, put serial numbers on every casing, and make reloading illegal cause they wont be able to tax us. Making ammo cost sooo much that the average person cant afford it is much easier than going house to house and confiscating our weapons.

[G G]

I get so mad when I repeatedly hear some one on the news in Jacksonville make the comment that such and such a gun was not "registered". THERE IS NO GUN REGISTRY IN FLORIDA. Rant off.:tu

[floydpink]

Actually, it is only $25 a year if you use this link: http://membership.nrahq.org/default.asp?campaignid=XR018983 The NRA set up an affiliate agreement with AR15.com and you get a $10 discount if you use the link above :tu

If you are into guns, you should definitely be a NRA member right now. This is the most important time to be a member. There is a lot of crap in the works that the new administration will try to get passed.

I'd have to say in my 40 something years, it certainly is.
The NRA is fighting the good fight and I am on their side.

[pearson]

Got to go shooting this weekend with the new silencer (AAC M4-2000)
the first one is me the second one is my little brother.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8141/dsc01533c.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4444/dsc01535m.jpg

[Siebec]

Going for my CCW training this weekend. I can't wait to finally be able to carry.

[M1903A1]

Got to go shooting this weekend with the new silencer (AAC M4-2000)
the first one is me the second one is my little brother.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8141/dsc01533c.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4444/dsc01535m.jpg

What is the transfer tax on silencers now? Is it $5 or $200?

[JE3146]

What is the transfer tax on silencers now? Is it $5 or $200?

5$ is for an AOW
200$ for Suppressor/machinge gun

[Catfish]

I have been working on geting my gun license for the past 3 years. Not to say that this could not have been done easier (some can get it in as little as 3 months) but I am a little lazy. First you have to take a class on gun saftey, then you write a written test, then you perform a practical test. After this you fill out 2 forms, one for long guns (unrestricted) and one for handguns (restricted). You then send these forms along with your proof of completing the saftey course and proof of being a registered member at a gun club (if applying for a handgun license) 3 character references, and a smiling picture of yourself:). They then do a full background check on you and see that you arn't in the loony bin or out to hurt anyone. If you are lucky you recieve your licence back in 3 months, if your not it can take much much longer. Once you get your license back you have the regional chief of firearms come over to your house and inspect that you have proper storage for your firearms as not to have them stolen (of course seprate facilities for guns and amunition). You then get to buy your guns. Rifles take about a couple days to have the registration filled out and handguns can take a week or two. You are now the proud owner of a gun. Oh wait there are even more resitrictions.
Handguns may only be transported from locked safe, to firing range in a locked container... this is to say there is no such thing as a permit to carry.
You are not allowed to own any automatic weapons (not a big surprise here) or converted automatic weapons of any kind. Any handgun must have a barrel that is 5" in length or more (no snub nose). Handguns have a maximum ammo cap at 10 rounds (even if they can hold more mags have to be converted to 10 max). Rifles can only have 5 rounds... No tactical/ zombie hunting weapons for me.

That is just flat out ridiculous.

[elderboy02]

That is just flat out ridiculous.

Yep. I feel sorry for you Canadians. Here it takes about 5 minutes total.

[Catfish]

But, they do get access to some nice stogies. Nah, check that. I'll keep my guns. :D

[bonjing]

Got to go shooting this weekend with the new silencer (AAC M4-2000)
the first one is me the second one is my little brother.


the joys of living in a free state :sad

[Tombstone]

the joys of living in a free state :sad

We are all free...this is America right? LOL!!!!

[smokeyandthebandit05]

Has anyone dealt with mitchell's mausers? Im interested in ordering a K98 and was wondering how they went about shipping and/or if I need to have it sent to a FFL.


http://www.mauser.org/

[357]

We are all free...this is America right? LOL!!!!

Some believe the Constitution only applys in certain states. That is why organizations like the NRA are necessary.

[Junior]

I get so mad when I repeatedly hear some one on the news in Jacksonville make the comment that such and such a gun was not "registered". THERE IS NO GUN REGISTRY IN FLORIDA. Rant off.:tu

This is off topic from your post, but I have a question. Isn't it legal to carry a firearm in your glove compartment in FL?

[JE3146]

Has anyone dealt with mitchell's mausers? Im interested in ordering a K98 and was wondering how they went about shipping and/or if I need to have it sent to a FFL.


http://www.mauser.org/

Only complaints I've ever heard of was that they were expensive.

Prices seem to be on par now that everything is rising. They seemed to have stayed the same or even decreased.

To order it you'll either need to be an 03FFL yourself, or have it shipped to an 01FFL.

[357]

This is off topic from your post, but I have a question. Isn't it legal to carry a firearm in your glove compartment in FL?

Hell thanks to revision of CCW laws in Michigan, I can legally carry someone elses pistol. As long as they lend it to me and it's legally registered.

[Junior]

Here is a good one. I am a FFL, and just got my new disk with all the state and federal laws on it. When I opened it up they are the 2007 laws. Last time I checked it is 2009.

[Thrak]

At least its not 1995 laws...

[JE3146]

Here is a good one. I am a FFL, and just got my new disk with all the state and federal laws on it. When I opened it up they are the 2007 laws. Last time I checked it is 2009.

Bottom of the disc says Revised September 2008.

;)

[floydpink]

This is off topic from your post, but I have a question. Isn't it legal to carry a firearm in your glove compartment in FL?

Yes it is, even if you do NOT have a CCW. The only requirement is that you have it in a holster with a strap, which doesn't make a lot of sense, but is the law.

I carried like this for years before finally getting my permit and was told to make sure to let a LEO know it's there if you get pulled over, which isn't actually a law.