First Firearm Thread.

[emopunker2004]

"I don't carry a gun because I'm evil; I carry a gun because I've lived long enough to see the evil in the world"

[replicant_argent]

Biggest gun show in the state is coming up next weekend. I reckon I can get better offers than $300 for stripped lowers than I've received on armslist. Some tools offered me $100-$135.

That's where I'll be come Friday morning with my spare Shield as well.

Guess what? 100-135 is what they are ~worth~ to them. Calling someone a tool because they won't play someones idiot reindeer pricing game is childish. Whomever the seller is.

[spectrrr]

My latest acquisition was a Browning Hi Power Mark III (black epoxy finish) chambered in 40 S&W caliber. Best I can tell Browning/FN stopped importing the .40 version some time ago, not sure they're even still in production. This one was made in 1993 but in virtually unfired condition. Well, until it fell into my clutches, that is. -(P

Have tried out several .40 S&W handguns thru the years, the BHP is among the best imo. When they made them they didn't just shoehorn a .40 barrel into a nine millimeter platform. The slide was widened, extra locking lug added to the barrel and slide, heavier recoil spring added. Those changes make it as pleasant to shoot as the 9 mm version.

The epoxy based finish used on the BHP may not be pretty, but past experience has shown it to be very resilient, even with frequent carry. If you're in the market for a modern era BHP to tote and use a bunch I highly recommend this finish over the blued.

As to the still available new 9mm Browning Hi Powers...

For what it's worth the "silver chrome" (Browning's name for hardchrome) model BHP is also very durable, but dang those can be hard to locate, they haven't done that finish in several years now. The Practical Model is epoxy black over silver chrome, think those are still imported, or at least some remain in the new supply pipeline.

Oh, one more variant surfaced a few years ago and may still be out there new: A digital camo finish. Again, not much to look at, but I believe that finish is again epoxy based, and should be tough.

I was just playing with a friend's browning HP .40 in what appeared to be a lightweight frame and some kind of chrome finish. gorgeous gun. :tu

I'd love to find an older 9mm HP in any finish sometime, maybe even a .40... I used to have one, really loved the way it fit my hand, it was a joy to shoot.

[forgop]

Guess what? 100-135 is what they are ~worth~ to them. Calling someone a tool because they won't play someones idiot reindeer pricing game is childish. Whomever the seller is.

I just look at it like a commodity. If you were selling gold, you wouldn't want people wasting your time offering 30% of what it's actually selling for on the market.

[Robulous78]

I just look at it like a commodity. If you were selling gold, you wouldn't want people wasting your time offering 30% of what it's actually selling for on the market.

FWIW: I agree with this...

you can always have your price or your budget in mind, hell, you might even go so far as to bat the idea at a discount to someone... but if they were offering 30% of the value I would take it 1 of 2 ways:

1) they think they are my friend (and they had better be to be serious)

2) they are insulting me... either by insulting my intelligence in knowing what I possess and its value, or by thinking I am so desperate...

Just my opinion on the matter, I work in a business where we negotiate hotel rates all day long, where someone is in a ball-park its one thing... but 30% is a little crass... IMHO

[emopunker2004]

I agree with Duane. The market sets the price. A week ago they were all selling for $500+ for a stripped lower, even in gun stores. This week I don't see many selling for more than $300. Duane is fair in asking the "market price" for his items. Anyone offering half that is lowballing and should be treated as such. That said, not sure I'd go as far as to call these people tools. My :2 from being on the gun forums and seeing what items are selling for on a daily basis.

[CigarSquid]

Got my 5.11 tactical belt. Used it while going to dinner. Awesome belt. Hold the holster great while drawing.

[emopunker2004]

You didn't draw down at dinner did you? Bad wait service? :lr

[CigarSquid]

Ha.

Luckily I didn't have to. Did it in the bedroom.. few practice ones before we went out.

[spectrrr]

So I'll throw in my :2 to the ring on asking prices. Most of what has been said already, I agree with. The only thing I didn't see mentioned so far is that we're dealing with a semi-flea market environment here, and lets face it guys, we've seen people hand out some pretty monstrous deals every once in a while, whether it be due to ignorance of the real market value at the time (especially at a time where the value is changing so rapidly), or because they simply needed the money NOW and couldn't wait for a better price. Some folks will take those really low offers, and it behooves the opportunistic buyer to ask. Especially if that buyer isn't REALLY serious about buying the item, but... for the right price, well heck, how could I say no? I have often asked the price of items from people walking around the floor, items that I had almost no interest in buying.. but for the right price, well, everything has its price :tu

[emopunker2004]

Holy sheet! Stag Arms has announced a TWO YEAR backorder on Uppers, lowers, and rifles!

[emopunker2004]

NRA guys, check it http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1421131_NRA_Life__300__No_Sponsorship_Needed_.html&page=1

[spectrrr]

hmm... temping on the life offer...

[emopunker2004]

u see my post about Stag?
Daniel Defense is backordered thru the end of 2013 as well. I think AR prices are going to stay relatively high for the near future, ban or no ban. Demand>Supply

[elderboy02]

hmm... temping on the life offer...

Do it! I became a lifer back in '08 :tu

[spectrrr]

Wow... just got this email from Midway...

That's pretty strong language coming from a BIG company like that.... usually the big companies stay a little more on the calm side of things and are not so dire in their wording.


Dear FRANCIS CARDULLO,

We have been holding some products for you, waiting for other items to arrive so we could ship your order complete. However, we believe an Executive Order could be released any day prohibiting the sale of certain products such as high-capacity magazines and AR-15 parts and accessories. Therefore we have done a partial release of your backorders to ensure that any of these items and other items we had in inventory waiting to ship complete are all on their way, in case such an Order is forthcoming. You will receive a shipping notification shortly. Other items on backorder, that we have not yet received, are not affected by this partial release.

We appreciate your understanding and your business. We always put Customer Satisfaction first and believe this action is in the very best interest of our Customers.

Sincerely,

MidwayUSA Customer Service

[emopunker2004]

****ing scare tactics. I hate when companies fear monger. Parts will still be available

[spectrrr]

****ing scare tactics. I hate when companies fear monger. Parts will still be available

yeah. thing is, only thing in MY backorder thats in stock and ready to ship a hand guard - wup dee doo!

[Digs]

u see my post about Stag?
Daniel Defense is backordered thru the end of 2013 as well. I think AR prices are going to stay relatively high for the near future, ban or no ban. Demand>Supply

Yea but yet I can tell a dealer that's has a few(DDM4 V7) on the shelf for $1599 and they aren't moving, been there since Wednesday.....

Over the weekend at a big show, many priced from $1800-$2500 just sitting around collecting dust.

Lets hope the bubble has burst :D

[Digs]

Got my 5.11 tactical belt. Used it while going to dinner. Awesome belt. Hold the holster great while drawing.

Great belts, don't go to the doctor for a check up and step on the scale with that on :r:r

[Blueface]

yeah. thing is, only thing in MY backorder thats in stock and ready to ship a hand guard - wup dee doo!

I guess you have mags like me on backorder?

I can't phantom an executive order.
Won't last.
Will be a waste of time.
Weapons ban won't pass Congress.
I see for sure a change with high capacity mags because some can't see I can carry 10, 10 round mags and have more ammo than 3, 30, with just a few seconds in between dropping empty one and inserting loaded one.
This can possibly pass Congress.

Amazing so many don't know why it is our forefathers wanted us to have right to bear arms.
I love when I hear the ignorant argument they didn't want us to have AR's and high capacity mags.
That only works with ignorance that doesn't realize intent was to allow the people to organize a militia and fight an oppressive tyranny government.
Love to see us do that with six shooters or muskets.

Can all help us Floridians out, even though it looks as if this poll backfired on this office.
http://www.billnelson.senate.gov/

[spectrrr]

I guess you have mags like me on backorder?

I can't phantom an executive order.
Won't last.
Will be a waste of time.
Weapons ban won't pass Congress.
I see for sure a change with high capacity mags because some can't see I can carry 10, 10 round mags and have more ammo than 3, 30, with just a few seconds in between dropping empty one and inserting loaded one.
This can possibly pass Congress.

Amazing so many don't know why it is our forefathers wanted us to have right to bear arms.
I love when I hear the ignorant argument they didn't want us to have AR's and high capacity mags.
That only works with ignorance that doesn't realize intent was to allow the people to organize a militia and fight an oppressive tyranny government.
Love to see us do that with six shooters or muskets.

Can all help us Floridians out, even though it looks as if this poll backfired on this office.
http://www.billnelson.senate.gov/

This

[elderboy02]

I like this article, but I won't count my chickens until they are hatched: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/13/leading-gun-right-advocacy-groups-congress-wont-pass-major-firearms-legislation/?intcmp=HPBucket

[spectrrr]

grrr. *thumbs down* sportsman's guide :(

I generally like em... but they won't ship a magazine larger than 30rds to Ohio, despite the fact that the law says its legal to BUY and SELL, just can't USE.

[Blueface]

I was just wondering, imagine if no ban, just prevent anyone taking any form of medication such as Prozac, Xanax, Ritalin, etc, from owning a gun.
That leaves 10% of America qualifying for guns.:r

[LostAbbott]

I know it is hard right now guys but lets keep the politics out of here. We are walking a fine line these days but I think we can keep this about guns without mentioning what the politicians are doing or not...
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[pnoon]

I know it is hard right now guys but lets keep the politics out of here. We are walking a fine line these days but I think we can keep this about guns without mentioning what the politicians are doing or not...
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:tpd:

[spectrrr]

:2, and I could well be wrong, but just to clarify a bit, I think that saying in an factual, non position discussion sort of way what is happening is OK, and supremely relevant to the topic at hand.

Of course, resisting the urge to interject commentary on that is... uhh... difficult... and usually ends up happening (like above)... hence, not so ok.

Generally speaking:
"What the politicians are doing, facts" = OK
"What I think about what the politicians are doing, interpretation, opinion" = NOT OK

Just my :2, and really that doesn't even count for 1/2 a cent round here :tg

[pnoon]

:2, and I could well be wrong, but just to clarify a bit, I think that saying in an factual, non position discussion sort of way what is happening is OK, and supremely relevant to the topic at hand.

Of course, resisting the urge to interject commentary on that is... uhh... difficult... and usually ends up happening (like above)... hence, not so ok.

Generally speaking:
"What the politicians are doing, facts" = OK
"What I think about what the politicians are doing, interpretation, opinion" = NOT OK

Just my :2, and really that doesn't even count for 1/2 a cent round here :tg
Spot on, Francis.
And so is Mychal for saying it's a fine line.

[spectrrr]

Spot on, Francis.
And so is Mychal for saying it's a fine line.

"fine" might be an understatement.

It's so very hard not to interject your own personal tone in such things (I'm regularly guilty of it too!)

Doesn't mean the line is not there however ;)

[LostAbbott]

Anyway... I am off to check a few gun stores for my first ccw. I am specifically looking for the M&P .40 I was talking about earlier but will try and look at the walther post and possible some ruger options as well... I have two stores to che k so wish me luck!
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[elderboy02]

Good luck! The M&P is a great gun! :tu

[spectrrr]

Anyway... I am off to check a few gun stores for my first ccw. I am specifically looking for the M&P .40 I was talking about earlier but will try and look at the walther post and possible some ruger options as well... I have two stores to che k so wish me luck!
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Keep looking, you should be able to find it.
Like everything else, handgun sales have been HIGH... BUT you can find em. My store last week had quite a few fast selling guns in stock, like glock 17/19, M&P, etc. ... they didn't have EVERY model, but they had enough.

[Islayphile]

Anyway... I am off to check a few gun stores for my first ccw. I am specifically looking for the M&P .40 I was talking about earlier but will try and look at the walther post and possible some ruger options as well... I have two stores to che k so wish me luck!
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My buddy just picked one up after trying out the Walther and an FN.

He's happy with his choice

[LostAbbott]

This will actually be my first firearm purchase. I have always been given or inherited all the other ones I have... I am pretty excited about getting something to carry. I try an be prepared for just about anything and I think this will be my last large item to cover then while out of the house... the preparedness must come from the eagle scout in me...
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[spectrrr]

This will actually be my first firearm purchase. I have always been given or inherited all the other ones I have... I am pretty excited about getting something to carry. I try an be prepared for just about anything and I think this will be my last large item to cover then while out of the house... the preparedness must come from the eagle scout in me...
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also, .40 cal is less popular than 9mm, so most places that are out of M&P 9mm still have a few M&P .40's

I inherited a a few guns as well. I ended up keeping the ones I liked to shoot, or that had personal significance/meaning to me. The rest I sold to fund purchasing guns that better fit what I liked to shoot, or ones that had a purpose (like CCW)

[spectrrr]

first half of my pmags from DSG just arrived :noon

[emopunker2004]

Got my E-lander steel 30rd magazines in.

[emopunker2004]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8323/8381674818_eb9029ac8d_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8381674818/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8381674818/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

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Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8381671016/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Robulous78]

HURRAY PICTURES... lol :D

Nice looking mags Justin... :tu

[spectrrr]

Prices may be dropping a bit, but people are still buying like crazy...

A couple complete AR's popped up on slickguns this afternoon, priced at $1200-$1250, sold out in minutes.

[jdakine]

Prices may be dropping a bit, but people are still buying like crazy...

A couple complete AR's popped up on slickguns this afternoon, priced at $1200-$1250, sold out in minutes.

I was just told about $1,400.00 in the Islands or at least on Maui.

[spectrrr]

I was just told about $1,400.00 in the Islands or at least on Maui.

I can believe that... seems like everything is a bit more expensive on the islands.
Still, you could probably order one online for $1250, pay the extra shipping, and still come out ahead of the game.
Assuming of course you came across one in the 10 minutes they're in stock ;)

[MurphysLaw]

Just got an email from Floridagunexchange, they have 30rd PMags in stock

[spectrrr]

Just got an email from Floridagunexchange, they have 30rd PMags in stock

That's good, means that the non-windowed pmags on order form DSG should be in stock soon too.

And I do want to get my hands on those sooner rather than later... of all the legislation being "considered" that we know won't actually pass, I think a magazine capacity limit might be the thing most likely to actually stick.

[spectrrr]

And for anyone living in NY, I feel for you, my condolences :(

(reminder, keep a lid on the political commentary, I'm just offering my condolences to NY residents here, you be the judge what about ;))

[Ogre]

Picked up a new toy today. Its been way to long to be without one.

[Robulous78]

What did ya get Larry?

[Robulous78]

If you were looking for a left handed AR-15 for sale, where would you start and what would you ballpark an entry model 5.56... ?

[Ogre]

Sig P250 in .45

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc9/ogre3239/Snapbucket/06734235-orig.jpg

[Robulous78]

NICE Larry... Looks sick... :tu

I like the rail... any future plans?

whats the capacity?

[jluck]

If you were looking for a left handed AR-15 for sale, where would you start and what would you ballpark an entry model 5.56... ?

Stag used to make a lefty.

[Ogre]

NICE Larry... Looks sick... :tu

I like the rail... any future plans?

whats the capacity?

not sure if I will use the rail. I am wanting to CC this and dont need the extra bulk or weight. Capacity is 9+1

[emopunker2004]

Rob Stag makes a lefty. They're 2yrs backordered on all ARs. :r

You could always get a regular AR and put an ambi selector and bolt release and charging handle. Would make it easier to sell to anyone should you decide to sell in the future.

[emopunker2004]

RIP New York State :sad

[BlkDrew]

RIP New York State :sad

It is still only a Bill..... sitting on capitol hill and i hope it falls off the steps and into a snow bank

[emopunker2004]

It is still only a Bill..... sitting on capitol hill and i hope it falls off the steps and into a snow bank

Doubt that buddy. It passed Senate with flying colors, You know the Gov is all for it. Just has to pass the legislature now. And NY already has a pretty restrictive ban going, as I'm sure you know.

[CigarSquid]

Ankle holster? Anyone have some experience with this and care to weight in?

Been bouncing the thought around for my LC9.

[emopunker2004]

Ankle holster? Anyone have some experience with this and care to weight in?

Been bouncing the thought around for my LC9.

I had an ankle holster for my PF9 and didn't really care for it. The LC9 is just a copy of a PF9. Walk around a few days with one of those lil weight bags on one ankle and see how you like it. :D
YMMV

[CigarSquid]

I will try it while at work. That would be the often place I would use the ankle holster.

[emopunker2004]

I will try it while at work. That would be the often place I would use the ankle holster.

Why ankle and not IWB?

[CigarSquid]

Won't be concealed.

[emopunker2004]

Won't be concealed.

Why not tuckable IWB? :D

[CigarSquid]

little blurry but here is the work uniform.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/niSssEanR/2011-04-27075134.jpg

[emopunker2004]

you couldnt pull off having a tuckable iwb holster? you could try a pocket holster depending on ur pockets

[CigarSquid]

you couldnt pull off having a tuckable iwb holster? you could try a pocket holster depending on ur pockets

Pocket no. Maybe I'm not looking at the right tuckable IWB

[emopunker2004]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sba22lojGbw

[CigarSquid]

So the shirt is just over it. The holster I just got closely resembles that there, the super tuck.

[emopunker2004]

basically you put your holster on. tuck your shirt into your pants but over the gun and behind the clips
Like so. Clips will still be visible but thats it.

http://home.citizenofdreams.com/gt/supertuck.jpg

[CigarSquid]

Well then, I can do that with mine. Main reason I was after the ankle is my work doesn't allow to carry. So if I really wanted to, I think I would be more comfortable with it hidden well, where it won't affect my movement to much.

[emopunker2004]

with an ankle holster youre gonna look like ur limping until ur used to it lol

[CigarSquid]

I can hide that better. I play softball year round.

[emopunker2004]

:r why not try the one u have first

[CigarSquid]

I will, around the house and when I got out. See how it does.

[spectrrr]

for anyone using a .40 loaded with "safety ammunition" for home defense, these ballistic gel / wall test videos should be very interesting.

40S&W Glaser Blue 115gr Safety Slug penetrating Interior Wall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bziIMFIL6Bk)

40S&W Federal 135gr EFMJ Versus Interior Wall (SHOT 2) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPiTFsguIB8)

40S&W Speer 180gr Short Barrel Gold Dot versus Interior Wall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK5wPyQ5wWY)

40S&W Speer 180gr Short Barrel Gold Dot, Gelatin + Interior Wall + Gelatin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LgeK1nuB-M)

Moral of the story - doesn't matter what ammo you're shooting, shot placement still matters, A LOT.

[emopunker2004]

In 40 I'd use what we issue, 180gr Winchester ranger t

[colinb913]

I carry Hornady Critical Defense in my .40. My fiance carries Hornady Critical Defense in her .380. I love the stuff.

[spectrrr]

I'm sure all the stuff hits hard and works good... the point is, it ALL goes through walls, even the fancy safety slug stuff. So shot placement still matters.

[elderboy02]

In my Glock 23, I carry the Federal HST rounds. :tu

[bonjing]

Holy crap sig has a double stack .45!!! The 227. Feals like a 226 e3, not bulky at all

[emopunker2004]

Yay my 10 D&H usgi mags shipped today!!

[J0eybb]

The new Sig MPX
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/SIG-MPX.jpg


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/01/11/sig-mpx-submachine-gun-9mm-nato-357sig-and-40-sw/

[Ogre]

The new Sig MPX
http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/SIG-MPX.jpg


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/01/11/sig-mpx-submachine-gun-9mm-nato-357sig-and-40-sw/

Wish I could have afforded one of those as well.

[emopunker2004]

Don't forget the added cost of $200 for the ATF tax stamp and waiting 6-9 months for the paperwork to be processed. :sad

[spectrrr]

I'm suddenly getting the urge to move to Texas :dance:

[emopunker2004]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8502/8384507787_f7f01c3b19_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8384507787/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8384507787/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[spectrrr]

That right there is gorgeous, in more than one way :tu

[big a]

Does anyone have any first hand experience with carrying the G27 or springfield xdc inside the waste? I already have an LCP for the back pocket but i have been wanting something for IWB option. I have made a chart of all the different .40s I'm looking at and the Glock 27 and xd are very close in size. The big size difference between the 27, xd and the shield is that the shield is .23" thinner. However the xd and 27 both hold 3 more rounds. Thoughts or opinions on any of the guns above?

[emopunker2004]

What's ur height and weight? Both those are thick

[Robulous78]

What's ur height and weight? Both those are thick

What do you recommend for IWB carry for a 6'5" 330lbs guy... Just curious... Didn't know H&W factored into CCW carry but it makes sense... what factors does this change?

[emopunker2004]

Bigger u r the easier to carry a bigger gun.

[Robulous78]

that makes sense... however even for my size i still find it difficult to hide my full size Ruger P-89...

[big a]

What's ur height and weight? Both those are thick

Is the 1/4" between shield and other two really that noticeable? I havnt had a chance to hold any of them yet as all my locals are out.

[Digs]

Does anyone have any first hand experience with carrying the G27 or springfield xdc inside the waste? I already have an LCP for the back pocket but i have been wanting something for IWB option. I have made a chart of all the different .40s I'm looking at and the Glock 27 and xd are very close in size. The big size difference between the 27, xd and the shield is that the shield is .23" thinner. However the xd and 27 both hold 3 more rounds. Thoughts or opinions on any of the guns above?

I carry my g26 with a Galco king tuk IWB holster to be honest cant really even tell the dif when carry my g19 other then a little more weight with the 5 extra rounds.

While you are looking at the shield I would look harder at the XDS .45 they are like almost identical size, I would rather have x6 .45 over x7 .40

Here is pic of my g26 compared to y xds

[kaisersozei]

Happy MLK's birthday to me

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/5968AE8F-FD62-4992-8E16-43197A5FE411-8035-00001EE91B891C52.jpg

[Blueface]

Happy MLK's birthday to me

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii88/kaisersozei/5968AE8F-FD62-4992-8E16-43197A5FE411-8035-00001EE91B891C52.jpg

Nice.

Just saw they are now introducing the XDs in 9mm. That will be a hot seller.

[emopunker2004]

that makes sense... however even for my size i still find it difficult to hide my full size Ruger P-89...

Maybe u need a better holster?

[hammondc]

Nice.

Just saw they are now introducing the XDs in 9mm. That will be a hot seller.

I'm eagerly awaiting it.

[emopunker2004]

To ME generally width of the pistol effects how easy it is to conceal than any other factor.

[CigarSquid]

To ME generally width of the pistol effects how easy it is to conceal than any other factor.

I agree on this.. Like them slim.

[MurphysLaw]

Anyone have experience with Raven Concealment holsters? I'm kinda digging the fact the Phantom can be worn OWB and IWB.

[emopunker2004]

I don't. Sorry. You could probably find someone local who could make u one for cheaper. Hell, you could make one yourself. Not hard to make your own kydex holster.

[Blueface]

To ME generally width of the pistol effects how easy it is to conceal than any other factor.

Agree for me.
I found the Glock 26/27 and the Springfield way thicker IWB than what I personally wanted and that is why I was tossed between the XDs and Shield.
Ended up with Shield due to $200 difference at that point in time and fact it just felt better as was not use to 1911 style safety.

[spectrrr]

To ME generally width of the pistol effects how easy it is to conceal than any other factor.

for me, its the width, but just as much, the length of the grip. I end up having to carry everything at a 20-40 degree cant just to keep the grip from poking out.


Anyone have experience with Raven Concealment holsters? I'm kinda digging the fact the Phantom can be worn OWB and IWB.

no personal experience. Excellent reputation. horrid wait times.
Like Justin said, can probably find something else...

[emopunker2004]

Francis. I try to get all my holsters with at least a 15* FBI cant to it. That's what my PJ holster will be. It'll be easier to get away with a pistol that has a longer grip if it's thinner though

[MurphysLaw]

I don't. Sorry. You could probably find someone local who could make u one for cheaper. Hell, you could make one yourself. Not hard to make your own kydex holster.

no personal experience. Excellent reputation. horrid wait times.
Like Justin said, can probably find something else...

Lead times are a little out of hand, but found a couple second hand for a little more cash. I'll just wait for the next local gun show and see what's available locally.

[emopunker2004]

Why OWB carry though?

[MurphysLaw]

Why OWB carry though?

Thinking it might be a little more comfortable and I can probably still conceal it with some shirts

[emopunker2004]

what gun u gonna carry?

[MurphysLaw]

what gun u gonna carry?

The new 1911, I'm set for holsters for the Kahr

[emopunker2004]

Heck night be cheaper to buy a separate owb and iwb holster lol

[MurphysLaw]

There's always that, I'm pretty happy with the Galco King Tuk I have for IWB.

[emopunker2004]

Then but a owb save money

[bonjing]

Anyone have experience with Raven Concealment holsters? I'm kinda digging the fact the Phantom can be worn OWB and IWB.

They are very nice! Mine I used for work (iwb) with a g19. Even with a muffin top I never noticed it was there. My friend also had his built for 226 with a surefire x300 attached. He said that he doesn't notice it either.

[Remo]

Shot 100 percent yesterday on my concealed qual, love my M&P!!

12986

[J0eybb]

Don't forget the added cost of $200 for the ATF tax stamp and waiting 6-9 months for the paperwork to be processed. :sad

Well worth it for an SBR.

They also have a 6.5" barrel with 9.5" muzzle break, MPX-C. This allows you to have the gun and shoot it while you wait on your suppressor sleeve.

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/SIG_MPX-C-600x344.jpg

[Jefft72]

Congrats on passing with flying colors! I am interested in pursuing my chl as well as my first handgun purchase. I need to get to the range and try a few out. The M&P is definitely on my list to test fire.

What is yours chambered in? (nvm, I looked at the bigger picture that you attached and see that is is the 9c)

What factors came into play in deciding the caliber?

Shot 100 percent yesterday on my concealed qual, love my M&P!!

12986

[emopunker2004]

I'm just gonna fill out my paperwork and throw a 10-11 in barrel on it when the stamp comes back.

[emopunker2004]

Congrats on passing with flying colors! I am interested in pursuing my chl as well as my first handgun purchase. I need to get to the range and try a few out. The M&P is definitely on my list to test fire.

What is yours chambered in? (nvm, I looked at the bigger picture that you attached and see that is is the 9c)

What factors came into play in deciding the caliber?

Capacity, "stopping power", cost of ammo, what you shoot best.

[emopunker2004]

The Rifle

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8211/8386353845_4d29f19bc8_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8386353845/)
IMG_1515 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8386353845/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr


The Carry Gun

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8371/8387495120_0f5cb145a9_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8387495120/)
IMG_1513 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8387495120/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8386413313_75ba76b69f_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8386413313/)
IMG_1512 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8386413313/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[Remo]

Congrats on passing with flying colors! I am interested in pursuing my chl as well as my first handgun purchase. I need to get to the range and try a few out. The M&P is definitely on my list to test fire.

What is yours chambered in? (nvm, I looked at the bigger picture that you attached and see that is is the 9c)

What factors came into play in deciding the caliber?

Just have always carried a 9mm full size and compact, gets the job done.

[Remo]

Rifle looks good Justin:tu

[Jefft72]

Just have always carried a 9mm full size and compact, gets the job done.

Capacity, "stopping power", cost of ammo, what you shoot best.

Thanks for the responses. That jives with what I have read in researching the topic. So long as you can put sufficient lead on target (9mm,.40,.45) all will do the job. And there is no substitute for trigger time.

[Remo]

I just noticed that the M&P Shield has a safety, I guess that is a new feature? Mine is tha M&P 9c no safety, why would you want a safety on a carry gun like that? Not like its a 1911

[Remo]

Thanks for the responses. That jives with what I have read in researching the topic. So long as you can put sufficient lead on target (9mm,.40,.45) all will do the job. And there is no substitute for trigger time.

As long as you shoot it well and puts rounds where they need to be most anything will work, hell .22's are deadly!!

[emopunker2004]

I just noticed that the M&P Shield has a safety, I guess that is a new feature? Mine is tha M&P 9c no safety, why would you want a safety on a carry gun like that? Not like its a 1911

Some of the fullsize M&Ps do too. Just leave it off

[Remo]

Some of the fullsize M&Ps do too. Just leave it off

I knew the .45 had a safety, oh well, odd.

[emopunker2004]

The only gun I have with a safety is my AR :r

I love my Kahr's trigger. So much better than the glock or M&P and I love Glocks

[elderboy02]

I hate guns with safeties. The only safety anyone should ever use and rely on is their finger.

[Remo]

I hate guns with safeties. The only safety anyone should ever use and rely on is their finger.

Finger and the stuff between their ears!! But then again, maybe people do need safety's. :r

[Digs]

Finger and the stuff between their ears!! But then again, maybe people do need safety's. :r

I have said this many times! How many times you hear about an accidental shooting followed by "I thought the safety was on!"

[Remo]

I have said this many times! How many times you hear about an accidental shooting followed by "I thought the safety was on!"

Yup! :r

[Blueface]

Two of my six guns have a safety.
One of them, I am glad as it is my wife's Sig P238 and to me, that is an example of of wanting a safety, given it should be carried with hammer cocked. I feel a whole lot better with her having that.
The other is my Shield and the only time I use it is at times whenever I remove it from the holster. There are times I make my wife practice with both weapons, drawing, removing mag, chambering, etc. and I feel a lot warmer and fuzzier with the safety on. In time, as she gets better versed, will see no need for it.
In the holster, with no one else around, no safety.
On the Sig, I find it functional. On the Shield, seldom use it and it is so small and insignificant, don't care if there.

[MurphysLaw]

I carry my 1911 cocked and locked, wouldn't have it any other way.

[Remo]

I carry my 1911 cocked and locked, wouldn't have it any other way.

Some safeties are needed :tu

[emopunker2004]

If the gun is single action only then yes it needs a safety. Otherwise the July saftey needed is to keep your booger hook off the bang switch.

[Blueface]

If the gun is single action only then yes it needs a safety. Otherwise the July saftey needed is to keep your booger hook off the bang switch.

Not if you booger hook lefty and shoot righty. :r

[spectrrr]

just got notice that my non-windowed pmags from DSG have shipped. (same order as the windowed ones from before)

[emopunker2004]

Yeh my d&h mags from them did too

[spectrrr]

I carry my 1911 cocked and locked, wouldn't have it any other way.

+1

The kydex holster I use is molded around the safety lever, I CAN'T carry it any other way :)

[spectrrr]

damnit....

I was all excited today. Got most of the parts needed for my custom AR upper in today. Enough to start building it at least.

11" Troy alpha rail
14.5" Daniel Defense barrel
YHM 5C2 Comp/hider to pin to the barrel and make it legal.
Low profile Wilson Combat adjustable gas block.
Some random stripped upper that Midway has in stock, etc.

No sign of a BCG yet (it's coming... eventually :rolleyes:), and I still havn't found an in stock barrel nut to buy, but that wasn't going to stop me from playing with the parts :)

so I picked up the barrel, screwed on the comp, and grabbed a tape measure to check the length to the chamber.

"hmm.... that can't be right... I'm a couple inches short..."
*measure barrel*
"twelve inches???"
*check invoice*
"14.5" M4 Carbine 1:7"
*check label on shipping tube*
"5.56, 1:7, 12.5" M4 Carbine"

Son of a ***** :bh

Got it from Brownells, so I know they'll fix it... but erm... you know, there's the slight issue of "WHEN" in this century they might get more stock in! :bh

[Ranger_B]

Anyone looking at the new Glock 30s. A friend at SHOT sent me some pics today that look pretty nice.

[J0eybb]

Anyone looking at the new Glock 30s. A friend at SHOT sent me some pics today that look pretty nice.

I don't like the RTF's. To rough on my girly hands.

[emopunker2004]

Well Francis just fill out an ATF form 1 and sbr it haha.

Let me know how u like that Troy rail. Thinking about a 13 or 15 in one in my ar

[emopunker2004]

I have a friend selling a savage axis xp in .308 with scope sling and 50 rds of ammo. Rifle only has 15rds through it. $400 plus shipping

[spectrrr]

Well Francis just fill out an ATF form 1 and sbr it haha.

Let me know how u like that Troy rail. Thinking about a 13 or 15 in one in my ar

Can't, I'll be out of the country long before the ATF could ever get around to approving it ;)

[J0eybb]

damnit....

"hmm.... that can't be right... I'm a couple inches short..."
*measure barrel*
"twelve inches???"
*check invoice*
"14.5" M4 Carbine 1:7"
*check label on shipping tube*
"5.56, 1:7, 12.5" M4 Carbine"

Son of a ***** :bh

Got it from Brownells, so I know they'll fix it... but erm... you know, there's the slight issue of "WHEN" in this century they might get more stock in! :bh

A buddy of mine ordered a AR57 upper for his ar in 16.04" and they shipped him the 12" upper. Instead of returning it he now has an AR57 pistol.

[emopunker2004]

Lol

[Digs]

damnit....

I was all excited today. Got most of the parts needed for my custom AR upper in today. Enough to start building it at least.

11" Troy alpha rail
14.5" Daniel Defense barrel
YHM 5C2 Comp/hider to pin to the barrel and make it legal.
Low profile Wilson Combat adjustable gas block.
Some random stripped upper that Midway has in stock, etc.

No sign of a BCG yet (it's coming... eventually :rolleyes:), and I still havn't found an in stock barrel nut to buy, but that wasn't going to stop me from playing with the parts :)

so I picked up the barrel, screwed on the comp, and grabbed a tape measure to check the length to the chamber.

"hmm.... that can't be right... I'm a couple inches short..."
*measure barrel*
"twelve inches???"
*check invoice*
"14.5" M4 Carbine 1:7"
*check label on shipping tube*
"5.56, 1:7, 12.5" M4 Carbine"

Son of a ***** :bh

Got it from Brownells, so I know they'll fix it... but erm... you know, there's the slight issue of "WHEN" in this century they might get more stock in! :bh

Francis barrel nut
http://www.windhamweaponry.com/shopexd.asp?id=21

[Digs]

Francis here is another one..:D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326240087

[hammondc]

To ME generally width of the pistol effects how easy it is to conceal than any other factor.

Yep. I am fairly small. 5'7" & ~ 170lb. 33" waist. It has to be slim or it pokes me and imprints pretty heavy. My Glock 26 is too thick. I am in the market now for something thinner. I really want the Sig Mk25, but it is too thick. Single stack 9mm is probably going to be the ticket.

[spectrrr]

Yep. I am fairly small. 5'7" & ~ 170lb. 33" waist. It has to be slim or it pokes me and imprints pretty heavy. My Glock 26 is too thick. I am in the market now for something thinner. I really want the Sig Mk25, but it is too thick. Single stack 9mm is probably going to be the ticket.

Keltec PF9 has a great reputation. I really love my Diamondback DB9, although apparently lots of people like to dis on the DB380... I don't know about the 9, I've never had problems, FWIW.

The company is very responsive. I called em up one day, said I needed to order a replacement set of sights. They asked what was wrong, I said absolutely nothing, my current sights are fine, but I wanted to experiment with a different sight picture and didn't want to butcher my original sights. He took my address and sent out a new set, free of charge. THAT's customer service. I'm fairly confident if I ever did have problem's, they would make it right. But so far, no problems at all after about 300rnds through it, mostly bulk commercial reloaded ammo purchased at a gun show 10 years ago.

[hammondc]

I have a PF9. It is a my summer gun along with a Ruger LCP. I am looking for something a bit bigger, but not as thick as the Glock. Maybe a Sig 229. Maybe the new Springfield XDS in 9mm when it comes out. May even go back to looking at 1911s. Maybe the Sig 938, although it kinda overlaps with the PF9. I'm really in no hurry.

[spectrrr]

Francis barrel nut
http://www.windhamweaponry.com/shopexd.asp?id=21

:wo :) thanks :)

Francis here is another one..:D

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=326240087

typical gunbroker markup :r

[spectrrr]

A buddy of mine ordered a AR57 upper for his ar in 16.04" and they shipped him the 12" upper. Instead of returning it he now has an AR57 pistol.

I might have done that with a 10" barrel.... or a barrel that wasn't a rather expensive Daniel Defense one. But I don't exactly need that level of quality in what I guess would become a home defense pistol.

[spectrrr]

I have a PF9. It is a my summer gun along with a Ruger LCP. I am looking for something a bit bigger, but not as thick as the Glock. Maybe a Sig 229. Maybe the new Springfield XDS in 9mm when it comes out. May even go back to looking at 1911s. Maybe the Sig 938, although it kinda overlaps with the PF9. I'm really in no hurry.

I'm halfways tempted to experiment with a 1911 9mm for a 3gun pistol... not because my Glock17 is bad, but just because I LOVE shooting 1911s :) .... but a decent 9mm 1911 is also a decent $$$, so I think i'll probably stick with the G17 for now.

[emopunker2004]

I have a PF9. It is a my summer gun along with a Ruger LCP. I am looking for something a bit bigger, but not as thick as the Glock. Maybe a Sig 229. Maybe the new Springfield XDS in 9mm when it comes out. May even go back to looking at 1911s. Maybe the Sig 938, although it kinda overlaps with the PF9. I'm really in no hurry.

Kahr cw9 is the ticket

[Ogre]

Kahr cw9 is the ticket

I tried it, didn't like it.

[emopunker2004]

Why not larry

[Ogre]

It just didn't sit right with me, maybe my hands are to big for this gun. It felt like a toy to me.

[emopunker2004]

Lol yeh but I think it's a good size for normal people, maybe not ogres

[spectrrr]

I don't know which model it was, but I tried a small Kahr 9mm years ago (5 maybe?) and it didn;t feel good at all in my small sized hands.. IDK why.

[spectrrr]

Anyone have any recommendations OTHER THAN Mechanix for an inexpensive tactical shooting glove?

I can't use the Mechanix that everyone else seems to use. The Small size fits my finger length, and I can squeeze my hands in, but it constricts blood flow a bit too much, I start getting tingly hands. The Medium is just a tad loose (but manageable), but leaves nearly 1/2" of slop at the finger tips (NOT ok at all!)... *sigh*... so I need to find something like the mechanix small, but slightly fatter.

[jluck]

damnit....

I was all excited today. Got most of the parts needed for my custom AR upper in today. Enough to start building it at least.

11" Troy alpha rail
14.5" Daniel Defense barrel
YHM 5C2 Comp/hider to pin to the barrel and make it legal.
Low profile Wilson Combat adjustable gas block.
Some random stripped upper that Midway has in stock, etc.

No sign of a BCG yet (it's coming... eventually :rolleyes:), and I still havn't found an in stock barrel nut to buy, but that wasn't going to stop me from playing with the parts :)

so I picked up the barrel, screwed on the comp, and grabbed a tape measure to check the length to the chamber.

"hmm.... that can't be right... I'm a couple inches short..."
*measure barrel*
"twelve inches???"
*check invoice*
"14.5" M4 Carbine 1:7"
*check label on shipping tube*
"5.56, 1:7, 12.5" M4 Carbine"

Son of a ***** :bh

Got it from Brownells, so I know they'll fix it... but erm... you know, there's the slight issue of "WHEN" in this century they might get more stock in! :bh

Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians (non class 3). Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

[spectrrr]

Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians. Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

Yes, it's legal. Take it to a gunsmith and have them blind pin the muzzle device and you'll be GTG. (with a blind pin you also have the future option of destroying the muzzle device and saving the barrel if you need to in the future).

I don't remember exactly, but from my previous reading, I seem to remember that there was a brief period during which the ATF f*cked up the rules and made it so that a blind pin wasn't legal and even a partial weld all the way around was questionable, had to have a fully seamed and welded setup. Or something like that. But that has long since been "fixed" back to the way it was, and blind pins are specifically allowed now... I'll see if I can hunt up a link...

[LostAbbott]

Anyone have any recommendations OTHER THAN Mechanix for an inexpensive tactical shooting glove?

I can't use the Mechanix that everyone else seems to use. The Small size fits my finger length, and I can squeeze my hands in, but it constricts blood flow a bit too much, I start getting tingly hands. The Medium is just a tad loose (but manageable), but leaves nearly 1/2" of slop at the finger tips (NOT ok at all!)... *sigh*... so I need to find something like the mechanix small, but slightly fatter.
Posted via Mobile Device

Look into full finger mountain bike gloves. There are many options and brands. I would try to find your local bike shop or REI and see what you can try on.

[spectrrr]

Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians (non class 3). Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

here you go: second page, 2.1.3 Rifle: http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf

The ATF procedure for measuring barrel length is to measure from the closed bolt (or breech-face) to
the furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device. Permanent methods of
attachment include full-fusion gas or electric steel-seam welding, high-temperature (1100°F) silver
soldering, or blind pinning with the pin head welded over. Barrels are measured by inserting a dowel rod
into the barrel until the rod stops against the bolt or breech-face. The rod is then marked at the
furthermost end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device, withdrawn from the barrel, and
measured.

[spectrrr]

Is it actually legal to just add a long flash hider to a short barrel? Regs I read a while back said this is a no-no, even welded on is not OK.....I was under the impression rifles had to have over 16.00" of rifled barrel to be legal for civilians (non class 3). Does someone have legit info to confirm otherwise? I would love to get a 14.5.....

Good info here about the pros and cons of a 14.5 .... http://www.tacticalyellowvisor.net/concepts/the-14-5-ar-carbine-barrel

[spectrrr]

What it comes down to - Once you permanently attach that muzzle device to your 14.5" barrel, you're not going to be able to change the gas block, many/most available handgards, etc. -- You're STUCK with that configuration unless you want to have a machinist grind off the muzzle device, then you have to buy a new muzzle device and pay a gunsmith to attach it again!

I'm 50/50 on whether it's worth it or not.... I'm tempted to tell brownells I'll take whichever they get in stock first, 14.5" or 16" and see where the dice fall...


Posted via Mobile Device

Look into full finger mountain bike gloves. There are many options and brands. I would try to find your local bike shop or REI and see what you can try on.

good advice, I'll give that a try...

[jluck]

here you go: second page, 2.1.3 Rifle: http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5320-8/atf-p-5320-8-chapter-2.pdf

Thanks Francis,great info.

I was thinking about it too....if rifles overall length is near the same with a short barrel/long flash bidet and a longer barrel and short FH then I think I would take the slight accuracy advantage of the longer barrel. IMO of coarse.

[spectrrr]

Thanks Francis,great info.

I was thinking about it too....if rifles overall length is near the same with a short barrel/long flash bidet and a longer barrel and short FH then I think I would take the slight accuracy advantage of the longer barrel. IMO of coarse.

primarily the difference between barrel weights is only about 3oz in many cases.

BUT it's 3oz on the very end, subject to leverage and the laws of physics, so it feels like a lot more when you're shooting it.

[emopunker2004]

My wife's ar is 14,7" with a vortex perm attached

[Brian D.]

I'm halfways tempted to experiment with a 1911 9mm for a 3gun pistol... not because my Glock17 is bad, but just because I LOVE shooting 1911s :) .... but a decent 9mm 1911 is also a decent $$$, so I think i'll probably stick with the G17 for now.

Once in a while Springfield Armory will run off a batch of the Mil Spec line in nine millimeter, 5" barrel. Less features than the Loaded Series but if you can live with the the Mil Spec fixed sights (I'm NOT talking about the GI model) the other amenities are things you could add later or do without.

I don't have one anymore but Colt made the plain jane 1991 Series in 9mm and .38 super as well as .45acp. All three were available in Gov't and Commander sizes if memory serves. Until the current hysteria hit you could pick one of those up at a very good price most of the time. The 5" 1911 in 9mm is indeed an easy gun to shoot.

Another alternative (not easy to find either, sorry, you were born too late :D ) would be the Browning Hi Power, one of the later versions with ambi safety and decent sights.

For what it's worth the newest variant is available with adjustable sights that are low-mounted into the slide. Trouble is those haven't been out very long so you'd be paying new-gun-prices for them.

[emopunker2004]

Well took my Cw45 to the range. They had a limit of 2 boxes of range ammo per person. Shot 2 boxes of the range reloads and 1 box on Win PDX. Gun hated the range loads. Think they're loaded too long. Zero problems with the PDX JHPs. :tu

[bonjing]

Limit of two boxes? That's kind of stupid, regardless your going to sell them all and your still going to run out. Unless their trying to stretch it out till supposed restock date, either way your still going to make customers angry. Are they one of those ranges that allow instore ammo only?

[emopunker2004]

No they allow any ammo u bring. They were trying to stretch it out. I guess they figure if I pay the range fee and buy all their ammo they only make 12 plus the ammo. It they spread it out over 10 people then they still sold all the ammo but got 10 range fees.

[Steve]

No they allow any ammo u bring. They were trying to stretch it out. I guess they figure if I pay the range fee and buy all their ammo they only make 12 plus the ammo. It they spread it out over 10 people then they still sold all the ammo but got 10 range fees.

Which range Justin?

[dijit]

Another alternative (not easy to find either, sorry, you were born too late :D ) would be the Browning Hi Power, one of the later versions with ambi safety and decent sights.



Another option only slightly newer than the browning but hard to distinguish is the CZ75 that was my first 9mm and was about the most reliable one I ever owned even fed 147gr black talons with no issues.

[bonjing]

So nothing here at SHOT, not many companies are taking on new accounts, and the ones we have are not taking any orders and the ones that do are still estimating 1 year plus out. Good news is they are all working overtime trying to push stuff out without sacrificing quality!!! So be patient guys.

[emopunker2004]

Which range Justin?

Gun gallery on beach.

At least she feeds my jhps like butter

[Steve]

Gun gallery on beach.

At least she feeds my jhps like butter

That's what I thought, thanks.

[J0eybb]

So nothing here at SHOT, not many companies are taking on new accounts, and the ones we have are not taking any orders and the ones that do are still estimating 1 year plus out. Good news is they are all working overtime trying to push stuff out without sacrificing quality!!! So be patient guys.

I live here and I'm not even going to SHOT. Too much on backorder as is.

[big pete]

Limit of two boxes? That's kind of stupid, regardless your going to sell them all and your still going to run out. Unless their trying to stretch it out till supposed restock date, either way your still going to make customers angry. Are they one of those ranges that allow instore ammo only?

My friend just stopped by Reed's (to pick up his new gun) and they were only selling 9mm ammo for range rentals. 4 box max per lane

[spectrrr]

Botach tactical just lost more than a few notches in my book....

Placed an order last week for 9 items of various kinds. A few parts for the glock, a rail for an HK, a hand grip, a .22 mag, you get the idea. various stuff. ALL IN STOCK.

Just got an email listing EIGHT of those nine things as out of stock, some with as much as an 8 week ETA.... not cool....Shipping & email delays I understand fully... but 8 out of 9 items out of stock? .... >.<

[emopunker2004]

Um Francis, you know Botach is one of the worst places to order from right? They're shady as **** and A TON of people have issues with them.

[emopunker2004]

Well just ordered up 200rds of 7.62x54r for the mosin :tu

[Robulous78]

Had a friend just pick up the Berretta PX4 Storm 9mm... Interesting looking pistol... has a twist recoil action on the barrel... just wondering if anyone knew anything about this...

[emopunker2004]

Yep. Beretta first used it in their Cougar model, Stoeger now makes the Cougar (Beretta holdings owns both companies)

[Blueface]

Had a friend just pick up the Berretta PX4 Storm 9mm... Interesting looking pistol... has a twist recoil action on the barrel... just wondering if anyone knew anything about this...

My son in law has one and I havE fired it at the range.
I find it bulky and not really a fan of that twisting barrel.

[spectrrr]

Um Francis, you know Botach is one of the worst places to order from right? They're shady as **** and A TON of people have issues with them.

well I do now :)

I think I'll be cancelling the whole order. The only thing I got there that I couldn't get else ware was a 50rd drum for the 15-22, but that won't be in stock till I'm out of the country, so screw em...

[CigarSquid]

Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

[spectrrr]

Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

nope, most places are sold out of most things.

It kinda depends on what particular mags you need ;)

Lots of legwork, just gotta keep an eye out for em, and availability seems to come in waves.

keep refreshing this page throughout the day: http://www.slickguns.com/category/accessories

[emopunker2004]

Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

For what?

[Blak Smyth]

Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

PM Digs, I know he has some.

[CigarSquid]

LC9

[Ogre]

LC9

I had to shop ebay for a Sig Mag. All online dealers and Sig are out.

[Digs]

Anyone got a good, cheap source to score some magazines?

Midway show them in stock at the moment, dont delay or *Poof* they will be gone. haha

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/230134/ruger-magazine-ruger-lc9-9mm-luger-7-round-steel-blue-with-finger-rest


I know a local delaer had at leaset 7-8 of them last friday...

[Remo]

I think things are gonna ease up now that we have heard the plan, I can't see much of any gun control getting passed. unless you are unlucky enough to live in New York

[Islayphile]

I think things are gonna ease up now that we have heard the plan, I can't see much of any gun control getting passed. unless you are unlucky enough to live in New York

MD, NJ, VT, MA have all had nasty gun control legislation introduced this session already.

VA did too but the VCDL had it struck down before it made it's way out of committee

[spectrrr]

Having lived there, MA will probably have no trouble passing whatever they come up with.

Still, that list is mostly north eastern states. no big surprise there :rolleyes:

Still, the legislative battle is only just beginning. I think a lot of people breathed a sigh of relief after Obama's unveiling, mostly because of fear over an instant executive order style ban. But the battle will be heated in the coming months at both the state and national levels.

IF you feel as I do on the issues, I would urge caution in becoming too complacent just yet, this road has a ways to go... Keep on writing :tu

I'm heading to my state capitol tomorrow, I hope that nationwide folks will be doing the same :)

[emopunker2004]

Look for Keltec pf9 mags.

[emopunker2004]

Here
http://grabagun.com/accessories/magazines/ruger-magazine-lc9-9mm-7rd-extended.html
Act fast. They're legit. Bought lots from them including my kahr

[Remo]

Having lived there, MA will probably have no trouble passing whatever they come up with.

Still, that list is mostly north eastern states. no big surprise there :rolleyes:

Still, the legislative battle is only just beginning. I think a lot of people breathed a sigh of relief after Obama's unveiling, mostly because of fear over an instant executive order style ban. But the battle will be heated in the coming months at both the state and national levels.

IF you feel as I do on the issues, I would urge caution in becoming too complacent just yet, this road has a ways to go... Keep on writing :tu

I'm heading to my state capitol tomorrow, I hope that nationwide folks will be doing the same :)

Ya, stay cautious, I am hoping we are ok out west, state law
Will be fighting the Feds.

[Steve]

Fla still seems to be the GunShine State!

[Remo]

Fla still seems to be the GunShine State!

I am thinking not much is gonna change bro (I hope)

[Steve]

I wish we could get the open carry, but that I am afraid is pretty much off the table.

[Remo]

I wish we could get the open carry, but that I am afraid is pretty much off the table.

We have open carry here, but a lot of the open carry guys are idiots!

[emopunker2004]

I've mixed feeling on OC. Even if we had OC, I'd CC most of the time. Don't want the BD to know I'm packing.

[Remo]

I've mixed feeling on OC. Even if we had OC, I'd CC most of the time. Don't want the BD to know I'm packing.

Yup, if I was a bad guy, I know who I'd shoot first!

[emopunker2004]

Yup, if I was a bad guy, I know who I'd shoot first!

Exactly.

[spectrrr]

Yep... lots of OC idiots.

Primary appeal of OC to us I think is a desire to change peoples minds, to educate away the knee-jerk fear away from them. But it's bass ackwards, the fear is already there, and OC won't fix it.

For practical use, CC is much better to not let the bad guy know.

[Steve]

I've mixed feeling on OC. Even if we had OC, I'd CC most of the time. Don't want the BD to know I'm packing.

Amen

[Steve]

Yep... lots of OC idiots.

Primary appeal of OC to us I think is a desire to change peoples minds, to educate away the knee-jerk fear away from them. But it's bass ackwards, the fear is already there, and OC won't fix it.

For practical use, CC is much better to not let the bad guy know.

Agreed!

But sometimes it would be nice to carry open and not worry.

In Fla. we can carry open on the way to hunting, fishing or camping though.

[Brian D.]

Open Carry marches are a big part of how we got Ohio to pass concealed carry, spectrrr. We told the legislators there were lots more OC events to come, including up and down the sidewalks where they lived, gated communities or not. It also was useful as a protest tool in towns where the police were hassling both open and concealed carriers, using local ordinances that were no longer valid, or just plain flat out playing 'bully behind the badge'.

I maintain open carry still has a place in the battle to raise awareness and straighten out towns in Ohio with an antigun bent. Plus, a right not exercised will be taken away sooner or later. I know that some feel OC led to stricter gun control in California, but basically that was gonna happen anyhow, the lefty quotient in ther government is way too high.

Just to keep the thread in the right direction: On Thursday I was able to buy a couple hundred rounds of .40 S&W 180 grain flat point factory rounds at a good price, but that supplier (old friend) may be out of all ammo real soon. He only gave me a deal because he's got AR lowers to pay for that he snagged before the hysteria.

[emopunker2004]

Agreed!

But sometimes it would be nice to carry open and not worry.

In Fla. we can carry open on the way to hunting, fishing or camping though.

Or at YOUR business you own or on you property at home.

[Steve]

Or at YOUR business you own or on you property at home.

True

[emopunker2004]

Got my mags in


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8221/8394106919_8c61db721e_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8394106919/)
IMG_1517 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8394106919/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr


Green Follower(magpul gen3)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8094/8394104205_1a7aa03fce_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8394104205/)
IMG_1518 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8394104205/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr


Manf Date Stamp

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IMG_1519 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8394101347/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr


Just for fun

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8087/8394093929_2ca256c427_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8394093929/)
IMG_1521 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8394093929/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[big a]

Does anyone have any first hand experience with carrying the G27 or springfield xdc inside the waste? I already have an LCP for the back pocket but i have been wanting something for IWB option. I have made a chart of all the different .40s I'm looking at and the Glock 27 and xd are very close in size. The big size difference between the 27, xd and the shield is that the shield is .23" thinner. However the xd and 27 both hold 3 more rounds. Thoughts or opinions on any of the guns above?

Thanks the other replys everyone. I was able to get my hands on a G27 and I really did not like it. I almost walked out of there with a Karh CM9 for $389 but the wife would not of been happy. I still would like to see an XDs and shield before i pull the trigger. Things are getting crazy around here though, most gun shops only have around 30% stock left. Most are completely out of target ammo too.

[Blueface]

Thanks the other replys everyone. I was able to get my hands on a G27 and I really did not like it. I almost walked out of there with a Karh CM9 for $389 but the wife would not of been happy. I still would like to see an XDs and shield before i pull the trigger. Things are getting crazy around here though, most gun shops only have around 30% stock left. Most are completely out of target ammo too.

For concealed, you will love the Shield or XDs. The latter is just more expensive, a manly .45.:D

[Blueface]

Justin, where are those mags from?
Still waiting on my E Landers from 12/31 order but looks like they are now in the 7000 range, which is where I am.

[emopunker2004]

Justin, where are those mags from?
Still waiting on my E Landers from 12/31 order but looks like they are now in the 7000 range, which is where I am.

Dsg arms. I backordered them on 12/20. I got my E-landers in the other day too that I ordered on 12/27

[bonjing]

Has any one tested their elander mags yet?

[emopunker2004]

Has any one tested their elander mags yet?

Yes. Some people are having issues seating them with 30 on a closed bolt without a hard hit to the mag. I am as well. Seats fine with 28 and seats fine on an open bolt. Springs are very tight. My department requires that we download all mags to 28 so not a problem for me, plus I usually put mags in on open bolt anyway.

[emopunker2004]

Yes. Some people are having issues seating them with 30 on a closed bolt without a hard hit to the mag. I am as well. Seats fine with 28 and seats fine on an open bolt. Springs are very tight. My department requires that we download all mags to 28 so not a problem for me, plus I usually put mags in on open bolt anyway.

But as far as functioning in a rifle, they seem to function fine from all reports I've seen with no malfunctions

[spectrrr]

I'm debating whether to sell a few pmags I've got now for a hefty 5x profit... or wait for a mag limit to pass and profit more... or wait for a mag limit to NOT pass and then be left holding the bag :tg ..... I'm leaning towards selling off a few now....

[emopunker2004]

I'm debating whether to sell a few pmags I've got now for a hefty 5x profit... or wait for a mag limit to pass and profit more... or wait for a mag limit to NOT pass and then be left holding the bag :tg ..... I'm leaning towards selling off a few now....

My buddy sold a bunch of pmags for for $60 each lol

[tchariya]

I'm debating whether to sell a few pmags I've got now for a hefty 5x profit... or wait for a mag limit to pass and profit more... or wait for a mag limit to NOT pass and then be left holding the bag :tg ..... I'm leaning towards selling off a few now....


If you don't mind waiting to place a back-order now with say..dsgarms, then sell them off!

I picked up 10/$125 on the G2 windowed Pmags from them, got it in under a month. I know they are still OOS on the non-windowed black G2. DSG is great, they have yet to jack up their prices on their inventory due to the imminent tightening of gun ownership laws.

[spectrrr]

If you don't mind waiting to place a back-order now with say..dsgarms, then sell them off!

I picked up 10/$125 on the G2 windowed Pmags from them, got it in under a month. I know they are still OOS on the non-windowed black G2. DSG is great, they have yet to jack up their prices on their inventory due to the imminent tightening of gun ownership laws.

Not sure if I placed an order NOW that I would ever receive it, lol

BUT DSGarms delivered 10 windowed pmags to me last week... and 10 more non windowed pmags from dsg are supposed to be delivered monday :tu

Paid $10 for the non windowed ones... kinda hard to resist not posting em for $60... besides, gotta come up with some way to justify the rest of my purchases this month :r --- I'm still collecting parts for a more 3-gun oriented AR, and a PTR91 arrives on Thursday :noon

[tchariya]

Not sure if I placed an order NOW that I would ever receive it, lol

BUT DSGarms delivered 10 windowed pmags to me last week... and 10 more non windowed pmags from dsg are supposed to be delivered monday :tu

Paid $10 for the non windowed ones... kinda hard to resist not posting em for $60... besides, gotta come up with some way to justify the rest of my purchases this month :r --- I'm still collecting parts for a more 3-gun oriented AR, and a PTR91 arrives on Thursday :noon

oh pretty pics when you get done!!!

[spectrrr]

oh pretty pics when you get done!!!

Might be a long while... missing most of the parts, something about being out of stock. lol.

I was going to with a 14.5" barrel, but I've reconsidered, planning on doing a 16" midlength gas now. Daniel Defense has a reasonably priced one, though I just have to find it in stock :)

[emopunker2004]

midlength perfect for a 16" barrel Francis. That's what I have on mine, from PSA

[spectrrr]

midlength perfect for a 16" barrel Francis. That's what I have on mine, from PSA

Just gotta find one :/

Got a PSA 16" carbine upper coming, when they get around to shipping it (ordered 3 weeks ago). In all likelihood, I'll probably end up reselling... but we'll see.

[emopunker2004]

Just gotta find one :/

Got a PSA 16" carbine upper coming, when they get around to shipping it (ordered 3 weeks ago). In all likelihood, I'll probably end up reselling... but we'll see.

I'm waiting on ammo from them too 3 weeks waiting so far

[spectrrr]

I found a Midwest 15" float rail in stock, I might pick that up for the heavy 20" frankengun I've got and see if I can lighten it up a bit. Then I can compare the two and decide which one to keep next year :)

[emopunker2004]

Thanks the other replys everyone. I was able to get my hands on a G27 and I really did not like it. I almost walked out of there with a Karh CM9 for $389 but the wife would not of been happy. I still would like to see an XDs and shield before i pull the trigger. Things are getting crazy around here though, most gun shops only have around 30% stock left. Most are completely out of target ammo too.

I had a CM9. It was a great carry pistol. Totally disappeared in a PJ holster. I miss it

[Stevez]

I had a CM9. It was a great carry pistol. Totally disappeared in a PJ holster. I miss it

I second this totally; I love my CM9 and the PJ holster is perfect for pocket carry. Great little gun and I can shoot it remarkably well given how small it is and big my hands are.

[hammondc]

Looking for a CM9 now, actually.

[emopunker2004]

I carried mine iwb

[SNKBYT]

converted my 10/22TD to a wooden stock (using a dremel tool)
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/IMG_0240_zpsab6dfdce.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/IMG_0238_zps8dd40bad.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z20/CSMMH07/IMG_0237_zps795bb182.jpg

[emopunker2004]

Looks great alex

[spectrrr]

nice :tu what was it before?

[emopunker2004]

i'm assuming the same but with black plastic furniture

[Chainsaw13]

Does anyone have personal experience, or know someone who does, with a Glock .22lr conversion? I'm looking to pick one up so I can economically shoot, plus continue to develop the feel for my Glock. Of course I'd still run a few mags of .40 thru it to keep up with the feel of that caliber.

[spectrrr]

damn... DPMS .308 upper in stock and ready to buy... now if only there was a lower to go with it!

[Blueface]

damn... DPMS .308 upper in stock and ready to buy... now if only there was a lower to go with it!

Says two in stock.
I placed it in my cart lut of curiosity and told will be charged 10% for "backorder".

[spectrrr]

Says two in stock.
I placed it in my cart lut of curiosity and told will be charged 10% for "backorder".

I actually forgot about the uppers and tried to buy the 14 DPMS 20rd mags they had in stock. at $30ea, I could easily flip them on gunbroker for $60. Yes. I am a horrible horrible bastard. Go head and get it off your chest :)

Anyway, got as far as the checkout and realized the site is more than likely a scam site. It's fishy AT BEST. And for sh!ts and giggles, I delved deeper into the checkout - there wasn't even an option to ship it, only in store pickup.

[SNKBYT]

nice :tu what was it before?
cheap plastic like this one
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/Ruger1022.jpg

[spectrrr]

cheap plastic like this one
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx67/dondavis3/Guns/Ruger1022.jpg

ahh the takedown model, hence the need for the dremel - so now it's wood, and splits apart? NICE :tu

[Steve]

converted my 10/22TD to a wooden stock (using a dremel tool)


Nice job Snakey!

[emopunker2004]

Does anyone have personal experience, or know someone who does, with a Glock .22lr conversion? I'm looking to pick one up so I can economically shoot, plus continue to develop the feel for my Glock. Of course I'd still run a few mags of .40 thru it to keep up with the feel of that caliber.
I don't but you'd be better off asking over on Glock talk or the subforum on ar15.com There are several conversions and I know one was mentioned being the best but I don't know which. You got a lot of .22lr? If not, that's had to find right now too it seems.