First Firearm Thread.

[Blueface]

Anyone have any experience with midwayusa? Have a couple items in my cart there, just want some feedback before I pull the trigger.

Have ordered many times from them.
Extremely reputable and highly recommended.

[Ashcan Bill]

Yep, Midway has been around a long time. I've ordered numerous things from them over the years, as well as Brownells and Numrich.

[Catfish]

Well known for their gunsmithing expertise and customer service. Prices overall are comparable. Some higher, some not.

[MurphysLaw]

Good to hear, hope their back order estimates are accurate :tu

[spectrrr]

Seriously? Mugged a few times? Damn glad she's ok!

comes with the territory I'm afraid, it's a fairly common occurrence with most people there. (although usually not twice in a year). LOL, and I'm moving there for a year. YAY. :tg

[spectrrr]

%$#@^%$#&$^%$#&%$#&%!!!?!!?!!!!!

Ruger Mark III re-assembly.....

those who have tried it.... know....

[spectrrr]

Unbelievable... I really do think I "bricked" my Mark III...

[emopunker2004]

Midways USA has some Black Hills .223 in stock.

[emopunker2004]

Thanks. Wow what a site!

Yep it's a cool place to be. If you become a paying member there are a few sections that open up to you, one being the "Babe of the Day" area :r

[emopunker2004]

Blah. At the ER. Wife got sent to here by med staff at work. She was feeling nauseous and had a really bad headache and was feeling flush. They checkerd her BP and it was 150/110. :/

[spectrrr]

Blah. At the ER. Wife got sent to here by med staff at work. She was feeling nauseous and had a really bad headache and was feeling flush. They checkerd her BP and it was 150/110. :/

I hope that get her diagnosed and out of there quickly Justin

[emopunker2004]

I hope that get her diagnosed and out of there quickly Justin

Still here.

[spectrrr]

they have any idea whats up?

[emopunker2004]

She hasn't even seen a dr yet. Nurses did EKG, took urine, and took blood. She's hooked up to monitors for bp and pulse right now. It's taking readings every 15min. More Drs supposed to have come in at 630 so hopefully this show will get on the road soon.

[spectrrr]

ahhh, triage at its finest...

"ehh, you're not dying, look pretty stable... sit here for a bit, we'll be back in an hour or two"

[Blueface]

ahhh, triage at its finest...

"ehh, you're not dying, look pretty stable... sit here for a bit, we'll be back in an hour or two"

Don't ever mention "triage" to my wife.
Took her mother to ER, was triaged as not urgent and made to sit in ER for about an hour. About an hour and a half later (2.5 since arriving), she had expired from heart failure.

[Blueface]

She hasn't even seen a dr yet. Nurses did EKG, took urine, and took blood. She's hooked up to monitors for bp and pulse right now. It's taking readings every 15min. More Drs supposed to have come in at 630 so hopefully this show will get on the road soon.

Good luck.
I had a BP scare about six weeks ago. Was up to 175/120, for three days.
Was clearly concerned but not urgent care as have been on BP Meds for a few years now.

[emopunker2004]

Yeh well my wife is 26 but in good physical shape so it's just really strange.

[spectrrr]

OUCH, yeah, I can see how triage would be a very painful word there...

[emopunker2004]

Came home with some BP meds and told her to follow up with her DR

[spectrrr]

nooooooooooooo.....

I found a website with a reasonably priced M1a in stock...

And someone sniped it while I was on the phone with my FFL. *DOH* .. so close...

[dijit]

nooooooooooooo.....

I found a website with a reasonably priced M1a in stock...

And someone sniped it while I was on the phone with my FFL. *DOH* .. so close...

What do you consider reasonable? I may know of one if your and his idea of reasonable are close.

[spectrrr]

What do you consider reasonable? I may know of one if your and his idea of reasonable are close.

I was willing to pony up $2k.

Depends heavily on the model, This particular model was the Socom II, although I'm not against the classic wood stocks either. :tu

Two months ago on gunbroker, a $1500 gun. These days, closer to $2500. I figured $2k was fairly reasonable.

[dijit]

I was willing to pony up $2k.

Depends heavily on the model, This particular model was the Socom II, although I'm not against the classic wood stocks either. :tu

Two months ago on gunbroker, a $1500 gun. These days, closer to $2500. I figured $2k was fairly reasonable.

Let me make a phone call.

[spectrrr]

Let me make a phone call.

:tu


funny thing is, I was planning these purchases spread out over the next few months "as the deals came along" since BEFORE December... bad timing!

[Blueface]

:tu


funny thing is, I was planning these purchases spread out over the next few months "as the deals came along" since BEFORE December... bad timing!

That Springfield M1A is one awesome impressive rifle.
I am going nuts waiting for UPS to update their site with my AR10 info.

[dijit]

:tu


funny thing is, I was planning these purchases spread out over the next few months "as the deals came along" since BEFORE December... bad timing!

He sold his last one about 2 weeks ago. If he sees another he will let me know.

[spectrrr]

That Springfield M1A is one awesome impressive rifle.
I am going nuts waiting for UPS to update their site with my AR10 info.

I love the AR10 too... I had just decided on an M1A. But at this point, I'd be quite happy with an AR10 as well.. although the M1a does have the advantage of not looking so "tactical" to the casual observer.

FUNNY THING, I was looking at an AR10 the first week of December and decided to wait. :r :bh

He sold his last one about 2 weeks ago. If he sees another he will let me know.

DOH. Thanks for checking!

[Blueface]

For those interested in the Shield in .40.
Not bad, only $25 above suggested retail.
Given no one else has it, worth the price.

http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/smith-wesson-model-pistol-109303-actn-only-polymer-grips-sights-finish-p-22492.html

Looks like this link now goes to 40C, which is NOT the Shield.
I must have screwed up.
Here is correct link and now out of stock.
http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/smith-wesson-model-shield-pistol-180020-polymer-grip-black-finish-rd71-p-42221.html

[spectrrr]

Interesting looking at the (few) pistols that most websites still have in stock. The overall trend I see is .40 cal is still in stock. I can easily find Glock .40's of all varieties in stock, but most 9mm is sold out, even most 45 is sold out. Even 10mm and .357 sig is sold out! but .40 cal is still available!? :confused: ... pretty much the same story in the XD/XDM and M&P lines. Seems .40 is a tad less popular than I thought...

(bear in mind that the "nice" models of .40s like the one Carlos posted are still sold out in most places... but in something like 9mm, even the crappy models are 95% sold out across the board)

[Robulous78]

Gun Banterers... I haven't seen many bad ass photos on this thread lately, anyone got anything they wanna show off?

[emopunker2004]

Gun Banterers... I haven't seen many bad ass photos on this thread lately, anyone got anything they wanna show off?

:r
It's not banter! It's legit gun discussion. I'll have a picture of my new CCW gun whenever it gets here :tt

I took the red dot off my AR and put a Daniel Defense A1.5 Rear right on it and put a magpul ASAP sling plate and MS3 1-2 point sling on it. :D

[Robulous78]

:r
It's not banter! It's legit gun discussion. I'll have a picture of my new CCW gun whenever it gets here :tt

My sincerest apologies, But I still think everything is better with a picture :lr
Look forward to seeing your C-Dubs when it gets there...


I took the red dot off my AR and put a 1)Daniel Defense A1.5 Rear right on it and put a 2)magpul ASAP sling plate and 3) MS3 1-2 point sling on it. :D

I think I can follow this, more or less, 1 is a sight/scope of some badass-proportion, 2) is something to do with the trigger mech? IDK lol, 3) a sling as in a body strap right?

I just buy whatever accessories I can get my hands on that are at a reasonable price, if they work they work, if not then I probably didn't really NEED it to begin with...

[emopunker2004]

lol @ Rob. The DD A1.5 is just a regular fixed rear sight, no scope or red dot. The ASAP is a mounting point for a sling and yes about the sling.

Here's the ASAP plate http://www.loesshillstactical.com/Portals/0/Images/magpul/asap3.jpg

Here's the DD A1.5 rear sight
http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/DDF.115-2.jpg

[Robulous78]

ok... Well I guess I'll just have take my ball back over to the Zombie thread... :lv Carry on Justin... :lr

[spectrrr]

I added a new member to the family today. Glock 17 gen 4, lightly used. :D

I was really surprised actually, G17 fit my hand, but the 19 DIDN'T. I can't figure that one out... Once upon a time I had a G35 and got rid of it, just couldn't get it to balance right in my tiny hands. Same story for a lot of full size pistols for me... usually a "compact" model fits much better.

[emopunker2004]

That is strange.

Well the doc gave my wife a day off work for rest and such. I told work I was gonna stay home tonight too. This way I can do whatever needs done so she can rest. She gets stressed easily so I'm sure that's a contributing factor. Gonna have to get her to work on that...

So Francis what's up with u going I Venezuela?

[spectrrr]

That is strange.

Well the doc gave my wife a day off work for rest and such. I told work I was gonna stay home tonight too. This way I can do whatever needs done so she can rest. She gets stressed easily so I'm sure that's a contributing factor. Gonna have to get her to work on that...

So Francis what's up with u going I Venezuela?

Good to hear! :tu

Heading there in March, be there a year or so (in theory)

[emopunker2004]

But y

[spectrrr]

But y

el amor, matrimonio :D







(the assault weapon ban known as "wedding cake")

[emopunker2004]

Tell her come here...

[spectrrr]

Tell her come here...

can't yet, she's got another year of school left.

[jluck]

I went to pick up my Ruger I-Tac 10/22 today...I had ordered it and had money down and when I went to get it the price went from 369 to 599. What a joke!

[emopunker2004]

Yeh that's some bs. If u ordered and out money down there's no way Rey shoulda change the price. I'd be like **** u then

[spectrrr]

ouch, was that from a brick n mortar gun store? Definitely not acceptable if they had your name down and locked in with a down payment.

[spectrrr]

Not on DSG's web page, over on alliedarmory.com ... but still, a good sign :tu

UPDATE 1/2/2012: Shipment of M3 & M3 Maglevel PMAGs arrived today and some early backorders are being filled.

[jluck]

Yeh that's some bs. If u ordered and out money down there's no way Rey shoulda change the price. I'd be like **** u then

ouch, was that from a brick n mortar gun store? Definitely not acceptable if they had your name down and locked in with a down payment.

Bad business for such a small town, He will be back to selling guns on the gunbroker out of his garage like most of them fail around here. And yep it was a B&M gun store. I did really good with keeping my composure, Bad rep points will cost him much more in the long run.

[spectrrr]

YEP!

Honestly, I grew up in small business. I don't consider it gouging to put prices at market levels on things I should have already had. It's good business. BUT equally good business is being HONEST.

I don't actually have my G17 yet. Found it at my local gun store today. I didn't have time to do the paperwork, so I asked him to hold on to it. He put my name on a post-it-note and stuck it in the back, no questions asked. He expects and hopes I'll come back to buy it in a day. As for my part, I intend to buy it, even if I found it $20 cheaper somewhere else, because I told him I would. Plane, simple, honest business both ways.

[jluck]

It would be different if he had to pay more to get it but he told me he didn't...

Beware OF
Newport Guns
Newport Oregon.

Gun Broker name. gparmele1

He did sell one for over 600 through Gunbroker the same day but I don't feel it was a honorable way to do business. :2

[emopunker2004]

Epic gingerbread score is epic :dr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8504/8338870250_d91773be18_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8338870250/)
Yum (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8338870250/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr

[bonjing]

Where the gun? :tt

[emopunker2004]

Here's my mosin
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8350/8223351763_e7c72abe90_c.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8223351763/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thestemens16/8223351763/) by emopunker2004 (http://www.flickr.com/people/thestemens16/), on Flickr



Where the gun? :tt

[Blueface]

Nice rifle.

My Armalite arrives tomorrow and will post some nude photos of her then.

[Bondo 287]

My Mosin. With a friend.

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/1719/acp452.jpg

[Remo]

Gun Banterers... I haven't seen many bad ass photos on this thread lately, anyone got anything they wanna show off?

Here's my wife's :tu

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[emopunker2004]

My Mosin. With a friend.

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/1719/acp452.jpg

That poor mosin :(

[spectrrr]

Here's my wife's :tu

12924

oO, SBR? :)

I've debated on building a 7.5" barreled house gun... but I'm worried the noise will be counter productive....

[spectrrr]

W00T!

Plametto State Amory has lower build kits in stock if anyone is looking for em (complete with magpul furniture :tu)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/moe-lower-build-kit.html

Now I just have to wait a month for everyone to catch up and ship their orders... and I'll have a new AR built...

Which means the current one is going to the gunshow this weekend. At current prices, how can I not sell? :D

[Remo]

oO, SBR? :)

I've debated on building a 7.5" barreled house gun... but I'm worried the noise will be counter productive....

Ya, thing is damn loud!! So is my 10.5"

[spectrrr]

Ya, thing is damn loud!! So is my 10.5"

Kind of what I figured!

[hammondc]

W00T!

Plametto State Amory has lower build kits in stock if anyone is looking for em (complete with magpul furniture :tu)
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/moe-lower-build-kit.html

Now I just have to wait a month for everyone to catch up and ship their orders... and I'll have a new AR built...

Which means the current one is going to the gunshow this weekend. At current prices, how can I not sell? :D

Is that a reasonable price?

[spectrrr]

Is that a reasonable price?

In today's market, yes. In November they were $120... so if you can wait another 3-8 months, I'm sure they'll be $120 again...

For me, I needed to complete my build sooner rather than later, so I'm willing to pay the markup. But it's definitely not gouging, just the going rate today...

[hammondc]

Yeah....

I have always just considered building an AR, but recent events have motivated me.

[bonjing]

wow their site must be bogged down, it's taking forever for my order to submit.

[hammondc]

Yeah...it is toasted. I think it went down. Will not even load homepage now.

[emopunker2004]

oO, SBR? :)

I've debated on building a 7.5" barreled house gun... but I'm worried the noise will be counter productive....

Add a suppressor :D

[spectrrr]

Add a suppressor :D

Ideal world, yeah.. but for the cost of that setup, I can have my M1a :tg

[spectrrr]

Yeah...it is toasted. I think it went down. Will not even load homepage now.

homepage is loading for me, still showing both colors in stock.

Just found another lower parts kit option on slickguns

$75 http://www.core15rifles.com/ar-15-lower-parts-kit-99599.html

That's just for the grip and lower receiver hardware, you'll still need to go find a buffer, tube, and stock, which will run you $65 for a basic one (at least the one I was looking at this morning, but it was from BCM).
Stay away from really cheap "amazon" buffer tubes, they can break too easily at the threads.

So overall, I'm still happy with my MOE purchase (since I wanted MOE furniture), but the other one is definitely an option for you, especially if you wanted a different grip or stock than the MOE.

[emopunker2004]

Ctr stock > moe stock

[Bondo 287]

That poor mosin :(

That's how I got it, Justin. It was gifted to me, was my first gun. My ( ex) uncle was a gunsmith and redid the whole rifle out of necessity. The stock is cherrywood from a tree his father and him had cut down. They saved some of the wood for stock and it stayed in the garage for some time. After his father had passed away, he built the rifle up completely from the Mosen receiver. He hunted with it for many years. It has the 1939 stamp with the hammer and sickle, and like most Mosen, likely fell more than deer in it's history.

Although not a worthy 70 year old museum piece any more, it also doesn't fire like one. Actually it's pretty badass. :banger

[emopunker2004]

To repent for his sin u should go buy a historical mosin :r
That's a cool story though :tu

[Bondo 287]

To repent for his sin u should go buy a historical mosi:sln :r
That's a cool story though :tu

HaHa Thanks. :tu

[spectrrr]

:wo

Just picked up my G17. Previous owner either didn't like it, or needed the cash, because this thing is practically brand new. Still has the copper colored factory grease on the slide! Looks like maybe 100rnds through the gun. :tu

[bonjing]

Nice pick up!

[Robulous78]

Here's my wife's :tu

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She looks like she's ready to rush into some CQC... Nice Mike...

[emopunker2004]

Just got my shipping notification for my Kahr. Delivery to my FFL is for Saturday. Hopefully I can pick it up then.

[Miles91Collins]

Hi,guys.I am new here

[Digs]

Hi,guys.I am new here

Hey welcome, you should go over to the new inmate section and introduce yourself :)

[Digs]

:wo

Just picked up my G17. Previous owner either didn't like it, or needed the cash, because this thing is practically brand new. Still has the copper colored factory grease on the slide! Looks like maybe 100rnds through the gun. :tu

I see that on a lot of handguns, that's how my g21 sf followed me home. Didn't need it but when I found it the original case a both mags were with it I couldn't say no :D

[emopunker2004]

Blah now my gun will be here but I still have like 3-4 weeks to wait for my holster :r

[Remo]

She looks like she's ready to rush into some CQC... Nice Mike...

No kidding, she's a good handgunner also. Cop

[Blueface]

BARE NAKED LADIES

Well, not the kind that will sing the theme to Big Bang Theory but will sure as hell make a Big Bang of their own.

My new Armalite AR-10 on right with little sister M&P AR-15 on left, both bare naked for now.
I figure it is easier to dress a lady than to get her naked.:r
In time I will get clothing for them.
I am like a kid in a candy store.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/EBFC93ED-802D-4C72-B2B5-40BD1A3DDF41-10997-00000526C0622B56.jpg

[elderboy02]

Very nice Carlos! :tu

[Blueface]

Very nice Carlos! :tu

Thanks.
Can't shoot it even if hadn't promised wife I won't for a while as no optics but as I figure, once I can pay off some debt, I can always find that stuff readily, whereas the weapon and mags won't be as easy.
Now to pay off that visa bill little by little.

[Steve]

No kidding, she's a good handgunner also. Cop

She keeps Mike in line, ya know...:noon

[spectrrr]

VERY nice carlos! :tu

I'm jealous... still havn't found a uhh, big chested lady willing willing to come home with me. :/

Why did you promise the wife not to shoot it? Ammo costs?

[Blueface]

Why did you promise the wife not to shoot it? Ammo costs?

Softened the blow.
Felt compelled to so I can prove I bought for investment given not really something I could afford now and will be sitting on a Visa card, with interest as I pay it off.
If I were to go and shoot that now, she would use it on me.

Good thing is I never mentioned HOW LONG I would go without shooting it.:r
So, a few months, get a scope, BANG!!!!

P.S.
Just got email .308 ammo has shipped.:r:r:r

[Remo]

Great scores Carlos!!

[MurphysLaw]

Very sexy Carlos! For some reason I'm feeling tempted to bring my SKS to the next gunshow to see what I can trade it for :hm

[Blueface]

Great scores Carlos!!

Thanks.
The .223 has been with me around 7 months or so.
Just looks so nice when side by side with big sis.

[Blueface]

Very sexy Carlos! For some reason I'm feeling tempted to bring my SKS to the next gunshow to see what I can trade it for :hm

I was offered $3,000 cash before I was able to leave the FFL. that would have been a $1,600 profit for a 20 minute ride but can't do it in good conscious. I prefer the toy over the money. With the money, I will end up spending it and not have either.

[Remo]

On a side note, my department decided not to issue the M&P's and are sticking with Glock, so I was able to buy my M&P for $400. 3 mags and night sights. Good deal.

[spectrrr]

Very sexy Carlos! For some reason I'm feeling tempted to bring my SKS to the next gunshow to see what I can trade it for :hm

:r I'm bringing my early Russian SKS to the show tomorrow. I never really liked the gun, but hung onto it because it wasn't worth enough to sell! Now it seems that it is... If it doesn't sell at the show tomorrow, I'll stick it on gunbroker Monday.


I was offered $3,000 cash before I was able to leave the FFL. that would have been a $1,600 profit for a 20 minute ride but can't do it in good conscious. I prefer the toy over the money. With the money, I will end up spending it and not have either.

ouch... I'd like to think that for $3k, I would have done it... but ... given the scarcity of AR10's now... I might just have hung onto it!

But honestly, maybe you screwed that one up. You could have sold it, came home with the cash, and showed your wife just how the "investment" paid off. Then the next time you wanted permission to "invest" in a gun, imagine how easier it would have been :) :cool:

[Steve]

On a side note, my department decided not to issue the M&P's and are sticking with Glock, so I was able to buy my M&P for $400. 3 mags and night sights. Good deal.

That's sweet!

[Blueface]

ouch... I'd like to think that for $3k, I would have done it... but ... given the scarcity of AR10's now... I might just have hung onto it!

But honestly, maybe you screwed that one up. You could have sold it, came home with the cash, and showed your wife just how the "investment" paid off. Then the next time you wanted permission to "invest" in a gun, imagine how easier it would have been :) :cool:

Believe me, I stood there frozen thinking about it.
My fear is exactly what you mention. I am afraid that with scarcity and pending potential legislation, may not get my hands on another.
Don't get me wrong, $1,600 would help out debt immensely but just could not do it.
If prices drop, will kick myself. If they don't, I may have an even bigger winner eventually when and if ready to part.

[Blueface]

On a side note, my department decided not to issue the M&P's and are sticking with Glock, so I was able to buy my M&P for $400. 3 mags and night sights. Good deal.

Awesome deal.

[Remo]

Awesome deal.

Originally it was going to be cheaper, but the price crept up a bit. Maybe I will buy my Glock also!

[Remo]

That's sweet!

Ya, never have too many guns!!

[elderboy02]

:r I'm bringing my early Russian SKS to the show tomorrow. I never really liked the gun, but hung onto it because it wasn't worth enough to sell! Now it seems that it is... If it doesn't sell at the show tomorrow, I'll stick it on gunbroker Monday....

How much are you going to ask for the SKS?

[Bondo 287]

Thanks.
The .223 has been with me around 7 months or so.
Just looks so nice when side by side with big sis.

Indeed it does ! Very Nice. :tu

[spectrrr]

How much are you going to ask for the SKS?

I'm not too familiar with the SKS models and grades, I'll do a bit of research on it and let you know.

[spectrrr]

I'm thinking seriously about picking up a PTR-91 g.i. (HK-91 clone)
Not the sexiest thing in the world... but the price is REALLY fair - Brand new for $100 more than it was selling for last year. Mags are available and DIRT CHEAP (20rd mags all day long for $6).

GI version will do 3-4 moa and eat any ammo you feed it.
target version will do 1-2 moa, but its a picky eater...

I'm thinking the GI...

And if I find an M1A tomorrow at the show (yeah right! I can dream!) then I'll just flip the HK for the same I paid for it.

[MurphysLaw]

:r I'm bringing my early Russian SKS to the show tomorrow. I never really liked the gun, but hung onto it because it wasn't worth enough to sell! Now it seems that it is... If it doesn't sell at the show tomorrow, I'll stick it on gunbroker Monday.


I have a Norinco in a Tapco stock...thinking I might be able to work out a trade on another handgun with one of the vendors at the show.

[bonjing]

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/EBFC93ED-802D-4C72-B2B5-40BD1A3DDF41-10997-00000526C0622B56.jpg

Very nice! I'm envious of that AR-10, I wish I finished mine when I had the chance, now I just have a lower and a bunch of mags that I can't use for a while.

[spectrrr]

Very nice! I'm envious of that AR-10, I wish I finished mine when I had the chance, now I just have a lower and a bunch of mags that I can't use for a while.

Lower and mags are the important part! you can always finish the rest later....

[Remo]

This thread has really taken off due to recent events!

[spectrrr]

Banter thread for firearms owners who suddenly feel the need to banter (and melt plastic)

[Remo]

Banter thread for firearms owners who suddenly feel the need to banter (and melt plastic)

Funny how this happened in 08' also, man I went on a spending spree!!

[MurphysLaw]

Funny how this happened in 08' also, man I went on a spending spree!!

Same here, that was back when we had a decent local firearms auction. They've since opened it up to online bids and the good deals are long gone.

[bonjing]

Lower and mags are the important part! you can always finish the rest later....

Yeah I know, I just keep kicking myself for not getting it sooner, I kept thinking to myself, I don't need it now, I'll get it another time or wait for a better deal. I've been sitting on a few lowers for a few years now.

[spectrrr]

Yeah I know, I just keep kicking myself for not getting it sooner, I kept thinking to myself, I don't need it now, I'll get it another time or wait for a better deal. I've been sitting on a few lowers for a few years now.

I really wish I had a 308 lower right now...

I toyed with putting in a backorder on brownells, but god know when it would actually ship...

[Remo]

Same here, that was back when we had a decent local firearms auction. They've since opened it up to online bids and the good deals are long gone.

We had a great local classified guns section, but they got scared and closed it up :sl

[elderboy02]

Luckily I have 2 complete AR's, 2 stripped lowers and 2 lower parts kits. I am set for a while. I stocked up in '08 when you know what happened.

[Remo]

Luckily I have 2 complete AR's, 2 stripped lowers and 2 lower parts kits. I am set for a while. I stocked up in '08 when you know what happened.

About what I did brother! How are the glasses?

[spectrrr]

I wasn't in a financial position to do anything in 08... had just started working on beefing up things last month when the crap hit the fan... lol, now I'm beefing up far more than I planned.

Got one complete AR which I'm taking to the show tomorrow, I'll sell it if I get offered enough cash (honestly, a 22" barrel is just too much for me to shoot offhand anyway.... I need to work out more :r)
Parts enough for 2 complete AR's purchased while "IN STOCK" and supposedly shipping in a few weeks (coming from 4 different vendors). And some more stripped lowers beyond that on preorder, supposedly shipping end of Jan.....

[forgop]

I have 4 stripped lowers arriving to my FFL tomorrow that I just ordered on Dec. 21st. Average price was about $110 ea. Now just to find some DPMS rifle kits, assemble, and double my money on 3 complete AR's.

[Blueface]

I have 4 stripped lowers arriving to my FFL tomorrow that I just ordered on Dec. 21st. Average price was about $110 ea. Now just to find some DPMS rifle kits, assemble, and double my money on 3 complete AR's.

I have never bought AR build parts. Didn't know you needed an FFL for that.

[bonjing]

I have never bought AR build parts. Didn't know you needed an FFL for that.

for the lowers yes as they are the firearm, as for everything else, parts kit and uppers, no need an ffl.

[emopunker2004]

I have never bought AR build parts. Didn't know you needed an FFL for that.

Yep. The lower is the gun as far as the ATF is concerned. The upper and anything else u can have sent right to u.

.308 ammo can still be found for pretty good prices. Put some iron sights on the 10 so u can shoot it.

Blah my ffl won't be in til Monday so can't pick the kahr up until at least then.

[emopunker2004]

I have 4 stripped lowers arriving to my FFL tomorrow that I just ordered on Dec. 21st. Average price was about $110 ea. Now just to find some DPMS rifle kits, assemble, and double my money on 3 complete AR's.

Just go sell some lowers for $400 each and save the trouble of building them.

[jsnake]

I have talked to a few different people in the industry and it seems the holidays really set things back but companies have picked up production. Several sporting goods stores received pallets of AR's this week. Yes, pallets. Saw the pics. My local Walmart has AR's and ammo. I can get BCG's and parts no problem and they have been scarce for a couple weeks. I think the days of price gouging are coming to an end pending what happens in DC.

forgop, You get those rifles done I wouldn't mind buying one off you if you will ship to my FFL. I am just not ready to buy right this minute. Putting some funds together in the next couple weeks. Looking to buy a complete rifle in the next 4 weeks.

[spectrrr]

Here's an AR for $1000 that's supposedly in stock.

http://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/windham-weaponry/r16m4lht-r16-mpc-lh-rifle-5.56mm-16in-30rd-black/

[theonlybear4CORT]

Tombstone is gtg.

[spectrrr]

Tombstone is gtg.

yup :tu (although occasionally computer inventory errors will affect anyone)

I ordered a PTR-91 from them earlier today at non-rape prices.

[spectrrr]

for those not following the funny pics thread, Ron posted a hilarious firearm related one.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1775964&postcount=1367

[Digs]

Luckily I have 2 complete AR's, 2 stripped lowers and 2 lower parts kits. I am set for a while. I stocked up in '08 when you know what happened.

Think of it this way, if a ban happens that maybe it! (And I don't think it will but keeping my fingers crossed) Before this sh-t started early in the month I had already ordered:

-XDS .45
- Spikes tactile black Assain (ar)
-Yankee Hill YHM 8800 (ar)
- Noveske gen 2 AR (lower)
-20 lancer L5 mags
-10 p mags
-ergo F93 stock
- Troy micro BUIS for my sig 556
- rear matech BUIS sight

That's just one months worth, I am kind of freaked out what I will do with myself if there are no more rifles or pistols I want :confused::rolleyes:

What do non gun people do with there free time and money ??????(hope I never have to find out)

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

What aspect of a caliber do you guys look for in a self defense round? I'm still looking around for a good handgun for self defense, and I like the 10mm auto round. G29 and G20 seems to be up my alley for a first handgun. I've shot both guns and they are fun to shoot. From what I've read, penetration is key. Not bullet size.

[Robulous78]

Cool Pictures, no whammy's...
Cool Pictures, no whammy's...
Cool Pictures, no whammy's...

DANGIT, All Whammy's... Oh well... Carry on... :lr

[elderboy02]

About what I did brother! How are the glasses?

Well, we don't get much sun this time of the year in OH, but the few times I have worn them, they have been great :tu

What aspect of a caliber do you guys look for in a self defense round? I'm still looking around for a good handgun for self defense, and I like the 10mm auto round. G29 and G20 seems to be up my alley for a first handgun. I've shot both guns and they are fun to shoot. From what I've read, penetration is key. Not bullet size.

I have a G20 as my bed side gun. I really like the 10mm round. I don't think I could carry it though as it weighs a ton. I carry a .38spl + p 5 shot revolver, or G23 .40

[Remo]

What aspect of a caliber do you guys look for in a self defense round? I'm still looking around for a good handgun for self defense, and I like the 10mm auto round. G29 and G20 seems to be up my alley for a first handgun. I've shot both guns and they are fun to shoot. From what I've read, penetration is key. Not bullet size.

All comes down to personal preference, from a knock down standpoint a .45 is the best round, I seem to think a 9mm is fine as I can carry 13 rounds in my compact M&P, I have seen 9mm rounds go clear through a guys head at 25 yards (he stopped his criminal behavior at that point). But you need good ammo in whatever you are going to carry :tu that is the key!

[CigarSquid]

All comes down to personal preference, from a knock down standpoint a .45 is the best round, I seem to think a 9mm is fine as I can carry 13 rounds in my compact M&P, I have seen 9mm rounds go clear through a guys head at 25 yards (he stopped his criminal behavior at that point). But you need good ammo in whatever you are going to carry :tu that is the key!

I'm sure that isn't all that stopped.

[Remo]

I'm sure that isn't all that stopped.

All life function as well,,,,good riddance!

[emopunker2004]

What aspect of a caliber do you guys look for in a self defense round? I'm still looking around for a good handgun for self defense, and I like the 10mm auto round. G29 and G20 seems to be up my alley for a first handgun. I've shot both guns and they are fun to shoot. From what I've read, penetration is key. Not bullet size.

Penetration and size of wound cavity are important. Bigger bullet= bigger cavity. If its a carry gun get something u will actually carry. A .380 that's on u is better than a .45 at home. That said my carry gun is a kahr cw45 in 45acp.

[jluck]

:wo I just picked up a 10/22 Take down! Not the I-tac I wanted but another cool 10/22 to have around, great for running and gunning in the need arises.
:noon

[Steve]

All comes down to personal preference, from a knock down standpoint a .45 is the best round, I seem to think a 9mm is fine as I can carry 13 rounds in my compact M&P, I have seen 9mm rounds go clear through a guys head at 25 yards (he stopped his criminal behavior at that point). But you need good ammo in whatever you are going to carry :tu that is the key!

/\
|| This :cl


9mm with HydroShocks work pretty well, but down here we don't have to worry about penetrating a bunch of layers of clothes either. For that I have something special :D

[Remo]

Here is my little buddy.

12932

[bonjing]

Nice M&P, Remo. I've been on the look out for a M&P45 full size with thumb safety for a few months now. I have a request at my old shop, if any of the vendors gets one in stock to snatch it up for me.

[Remo]

I have the full size 9 also and love them both

[spectrrr]

I was looking at the M&P in 9 and 40 at my local shop this week, but ending up walking out with the G17. Between those two and the XD, the ergos of the M&P seemed to suit me the least (I was kind of surprised at that). I still haven't had a chance to test out the ergos on the XDM

[Remo]

I was looking at the M&P in 9 and 40 at my local shop this week, but ending up walking out with the G17. Between those two and the XD, the ergos of the M&P seemed to suit me the least (I was kind of surprised at that). I still haven't had a chance to test out the ergos on the XDM

I am just the opposite, the m&p suits me better than my 17 ever has :sh

[bonjing]

Had my first KB! Not too bad, it was more of a case rupture. But it's kinda funny how it played out. All was shooting fine then all of a sudden the mag falls out of the gun, I look down and just did a, wtf again? Then all of sudden owww my hand starting hurting. Looking my hand over no blood :banger all fingers are there :noon then I look closer and see the outline of the mag release along my palm covered in black burns and also on my trigger finger, I thought it was kind of funny; only because I wasn't hurt.

Gun checked out ok and the grouping I was shooting for was nice and tight!

If your wondering about the "mag falling out again" part. Story behind that was I was shooting during a class using my G22 and during my run I saw my mag fall out. Kind of embarrassing but did a quick reload and continued my run trying not to laugh. :D

[Remo]

Kinda scary bro

[spectrrr]

what gun were you shooting at the time?

[bonjing]

My G19 the rounds were mine. 124 grain vitavouri n330 I think forgot the grain I reload at a friends place. I'm hoping it was just one of those weakened case failures because my 228 and carbine seem to like these rounds and judging by the grouping that I got the 19 likes them as well.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

All comes down to personal preference, from a knock down standpoint a .45 is the best round, I seem to think a 9mm is fine as I can carry 13 rounds in my compact M&P, I have seen 9mm rounds go clear through a guys head at 25 yards (he stopped his criminal behavior at that point). But you need good ammo in whatever you are going to carry :tu that is the key!

Isn't knock down power a myth though? Just reading some last night and it seems kinetic energy does not wound and temporary cavity does not wound. Which both are the result of the larger amount of energy from the larger bullet right?

Penetration and size of wound cavity are important. Bigger bullet= bigger cavity. If its a carry gun get something u will actually carry. A .380 that's on u is better than a .45 at home. That said my carry gun is a kahr cw45 in 45acp.

Do you mean permanent cavity when you say wound cavity?

[emopunker2004]

Knockdown power is a myth but hydrostatic shock is not a myth. And yes I meant perm wound cavity.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Knockdown power is a myth but hydrostatic shock is not a myth. And yes I meant perm wound cavity.

Gotcha thanks:tu

[bonjing]

This is a good read about ammo choices for self defense,

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

This is a good read about ammo choices for self defense,

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm

Awesome, thanks for the link. Will read shortly.

[emopunker2004]

Well I'm working on drawing up a Living Trust so I can send in a form 1 to turn my AR-15 into an SBR :D

[Remo]

Well I'm working on drawing up a Living Trust so I can send in a form 1 to turn my AR-15 into an SBR :D

Thought you weren't going with a shorty?

[emopunker2004]

:r changed my mind. Gonna go for a 10.5" barrel me thinks.

[Robulous78]

Here is my little buddy.

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I like this...

[Remo]

:r changed my mind. Gonna go for a 10.5" barrel me thinks.

That's what my work one is, perfect size.

[spectrrr]

wwell, no luck today at the show. people seemed out of money and not willing to pay high prices. vendors had most of the "hard to find" items in stock and things "looked normal" until you checked the price tags. AR's were in stock but still running around $1400 for basic models. Mags were in stock, $35 for pmags, genuine glock mags were running $50-$90... I even saw a 50rd glock DRUM for $300 and a 60rd surefire AR casket mag for $200.

No luck selling the guns I wanted to sell (since I wanted to sell em at gunbroker prices, not local prices)

found one to buy, and I hesitated, and missed out on the deal, and I'm still kicking myself on that one. Kel-Tech Sub 2000 for $580 .... :bh

[Remo]

wwell, no luck today at the show. people seemed out of money and not willing to pay high prices. vendors had most of the "hard to find" items in stock and things "looked normal" until you checked the price tags. AR's were in stock but still running around $1400 for basic models. Mags were in stock, $35 for pmags, genuine glock mags were running $50-$90... I even saw a 50rd glock DRUM for $300 and a 60rd surefire AR casket mag for $200.

No luck selling the guns I wanted to sell (since I wanted to sell em at gunbroker prices, not local prices)

found one to buy, and I hesitated, and missed out on the deal, and I'm still kicking myself on that one. Kel-Tech Sub 2000 for $580 .... :bh

Prices are silly! Good luck though.

[Remo]

My trunk!

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[bonjing]

RIP Mr. Noveske :usa thank you for your great firearms.

[spectrrr]

forgot to add, ammo was through the roof on popular rounds. "basic grade" .223 was running around .80/rnd, green tip was $1/rnd.

[spectrrr]

My trunk!

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nice :tu

I think that sub 2k would have made a PERFECT trunk gun, bag gun, whatever. Particularly since it could have folded into a pack and stayed HIDDEN if needed.

That, and its not a "scary" AR or AK, so I avoid the automatic "and which school were you on the way to?" line of questions if someone ever looked in the trunk....

[Digs]

wwell, no luck today at the show. people seemed out of money and not willing to pay high prices. vendors had most of the "hard to find" items in stock and things "looked normal" until you checked the price tags. AR's were in stock but still running around $1400 for basic models. Mags were in stock, $35 for pmags, genuine glock mags were running $50-$90... I even saw a 50rd glock DRUM for $300 and a 60rd surefire AR casket mag for $200.

No luck selling the guns I wanted to sell (since I wanted to sell em at gunbroker prices, not local prices)

found one to buy, and I hesitated, and missed out on the deal, and I'm still kicking myself on that one. Kel-Tech Sub 2000 for $580 .... :bh

Francis pretty much what I saw today / fair amount of inventory HUGE price tags $50 averg on p mags, all the lower end AR's (dpms-Olympics-bushmaster) around $1800 not selling. Saw pretty many 6920's averg $2200!!! One dealer had one at $1795 (felt like a deal :r) I think the bubble has broke on the crazy crack head pricing and all the fools with more money then brains maybe fizzling out. One thing for certain I am going to remember what dealers are gouging, I am sorry they say "selling at current market value".

[Robulous78]

My trunk!

12945

I like this... Even Better...

[Remo]

Francis pretty much what I saw today / fair amount of inventory HUGE price tags $50 averg on p mags, all the lower end AR's (dpms-Olympics-bushmaster) around $1800 not selling. Saw pretty many 6920's averg $2200!!! One dealer had one at $1795 (felt like a deal :r) I think the bubble has broke on the crazy crack head pricing and all the fools with more money then brains maybe fizzling out. One thing for certain I am going to remember what dealers are gouging, I am sorry they say "selling at current market value".

Ridiculous I paid 1100 each for my 6920's, people have lost their minds!!!

[Steve]

My trunk!

12945

Yes sir!

[Robulous78]

My trunk!

12945

I think its every guys dream atleast once to walk around to the back of the car, pop the trunk and see one of these laying in there...

Mike gets to do it legally tho... :lr

[Remo]

Yes sir!

You can shoot it when you come to town!

[Remo]

I think its every guys dream atleast once to walk around to the back of the car, pop the trunk and see one of these laying in there...

Mike gets to do it legally tho... :lr

You talking guns or bodies? :r

[Steve]

You can shoot it when you come to town!

That my brother is an offer I WILL take you up on! :banger:banger

[Digs]

Ridiculous I paid 1100 each for my 6920's, people have lost their minds!!!

Exactly, 6920's are sold at Walmarts for $1059 thought I found one this morning there was local Wally World that showed one in inventory but when I called they said no.

[Digs]

I think its every guys dream atleast once to walk around to the back of the car, pop the trunk and see one of these laying in there...

Mike gets to do it legally tho... :lr

No dreaming needed,( just throw one in your trunk) I usually always have one of my AR's or AK's in my truck in nice padded tactile case and my pistol on me or in my center console.

[Remo]

No dreaming needed,( just throw one in your trunk) I usually always have one of my AR's or AK's in my truck in nice padded tactile case and my pistol on me or in my center console. :gary

This! Guess it depends on where you live though.

[spectrrr]

depends on local regulations. Ohio was HORRIBLE with guns in cars. A loaded magazine constitutes a LOADED GUN in ohio. yeah, that means a loaded mag in your trunk was illegal. and other horrible nuances. they JUST fixed this, should go into effect in a couple of months.

[Digs]

This! Guess it depends on where you live though.

Here in Pa I some time forget how we'll we have it.

[big pete]

Went gun shopping with my friend (for him, he bought a M&P 9mm) and I got my eye on a M&P 15-22. Decent gun and super cheap to shoot

[Remo]

Here in Pa I some time forget how we'll we have it.

Same here bro :tu

[spectrrr]

Went gun shopping with my friend (for him, he bought a M&P 9mm) and I got my eye on a M&P 15-22. Decent gun and super cheap to shoot

I've seen a couple of them popping back into stock here and there....
Mine should come in end of next week. I've got a slidefire waiting for it, should be a blast :D

[big pete]

They were available at most of the stores I went to today. The prices ranged from $490-550.

[Remo]

They were available at most of the stores I went to today. The prices ranged from $490-550.

For the .22? :tu Fun plinker for sure.

[emopunker2004]

No dreaming needed,( just throw one in your trunk) I usually always have one of my AR's or AK's in my truck in nice padded tactile case and my pistol on me or in my center console.

This.

[Bruins Fan]

Just picked this up yesterday, should be a great all around gun for birds and on the clay range.
Browning White Lightning 12 gauge with 28 inch barrels.
Going to break it in this morning :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/bigcat988/gun_0041_zpsc7c80c88.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v257/bigcat988/gun_0011_zpsde9a6c33.jpg

[spectrrr]

Purdy! :tu

[Bondo 287]

Here in Pa I some time forget how we'll we have it.

Same here bro :tu

Agreed ! :tu

In case you missed yesterday's gun show covered on the news this A.M. They interviewed vendors who said they did "a year's worth of sales in one month".

Biggest seller ? "military style semi auto" like the Bushmaster and A.R.15, and capacity clips.

When asked about the rise in prices, a very common, (and realistic) reply:
"No we aren't price gouging because of recent events. It's the manufacturers. They have stopped making them ! When they are gone, they are gone. That's the issue. "

[spectrrr]

When asked about the rise in prices, a very common, (and realistic) reply: "No we aren't price gouging because of recent events. It's the manufacturers. They have stopped making them ! When they are gone, they are gone. That's the issue.

man, I'm raising the :bs flag on that one. Those manufacturers may not be shipping many out to the venders (cuz EVERYONE wants em), but you can be damned certain they'll keep making em right up until the last second!

[emopunker2004]

man, I'm raising the :bs flag on that one. Those manufacturers may not be shipping many out to the venders (cuz EVERYONE wants em), but you can be damned certain they'll keep making em right up until the last second!

Yeh this. They're still making them, the supply line between dealer and manufacturer is just depleted right now

[Bruins Fan]

The shop I was in sold 300 AR type guns last week, they had to hire Four more sales people.
Also said they sold a truck load of 223, heck when I was at the counter a guy bought 45 boxes 9mm -(P

[Remo]

Guess this is one way to jump start the economy, start a gun control debate.

[Digs]

Yeh this. They're still making them, the supply line between dealer and manufacturer is just depleted right now

I will remember which scum bag dealers ( and 99% of them are, for years I have commented on how every every scam artist own gun shop) pushed prices 100% over retail. Once the idiot panic buyers leave the market these dealers will have to go back to facing there regulars, and I hope the regulars take there money else were.

If you think about these guys are benefiting from extreme volumes which should make them happy as a pig in slop, but yet they feel the need to double prices.

All the manufactures are running balls to the walls and yet the dealers push blame to them.... I have even heard of numerous complaints were the dealers are even removing the 3 mags out of the box provided by Glock in the gen 4's!!! Another buddy of mine had a Colt AR shipped to dealer and after happily looking over his new rig he noticed the 2 mags were missing that it shipped with. He even contacted the seller who right away told him the were in the case when it shipped......

Sorry guys rant over :2

[Digs]

Went gun shopping with my friend (for him, he bought a M&P 9mm) and I got my eye on a M&P 15-22. Decent gun and super cheap to shoot

Pete I wouldn't consider the Sig 522, it's a better fire arm constructed like its big brother the 556. It also uses the industry standard black dog mags. I had the M&P 15-22 back when they came out and below $400, my sig 522 is twice the rifle.

[emopunker2004]

Hey Remo, I said 10.5" but I might go with 11.5". We'll see which barrel is easier to find when it's time to build her. I'll type my Form 1 up at work Tuesday night and when I get paid on the 18th I'll mail it all in :D

[big pete]

Pete I wouldn't consider the Sig 522, it's a better fire arm constructed like its big brother the 556. It also uses the industry standard black dog mags. I had the M&P 15-22 back when they came out and below $400, my sig 522 is twice the rifle.

One of the shops I went to had the sig but I didnt check the price. I'll definately look into it when I'm ready to buy one

[Blueface]

When asked about the rise in prices, a very common, (and realistic) reply:
"No we aren't price gouging because of recent events. It's the manufacturers. They have stopped making them ! When they are gone, they are gone. That's the issue. "

I would have asked him if he was willing to back that up by betting his balls on it and called him out on this BS.
I am going to two back to back shows this next weekend and the following just so I can see who are the local a..holes I will never patronize even if they are the last to have something I want/need.

[spectrrr]

Pete I wouldn't consider the Sig 522, it's a better fire arm constructed like its big brother the 556. It also uses the industry standard black dog mags. I had the M&P 15-22 back when they came out and below $400, my sig 522 is twice the rifle.

+1

Although I purchased the M&P 15-22 specifically for ergo training on the AR platform, and a little good ol fashioned fun with the slidefire, the Sig is largely regarded as the superior firearm. Better reliability, eats anything for ammo, etc.

Nutnfancy reviewed it a while back if you got 45 minutes :r: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ilpMzqDq4

[CigarSquid]

Got my holster in yesterday.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/niSssEanR/IMAG0466.jpg

Gonna try it out in about an hour when we hit some stores and a hockey game.

[Remo]

Got my holster in yesterday.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/niSssEanR/IMAG0466.jpg

Gonna try it out in about an hour when we hit some stores and a hockey game.

Sweet

[Blueface]

Got my holster in yesterday.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y139/niSssEanR/IMAG0466.jpg

Gonna try it out in about an hour when we hit some stores and a hockey game.

I own quite a few holsters but have never gotten one of these kydex with that large leather area and extra side clips. Let us know how that feels as I have always sought the minimal amount if material as possible. Curious as to how the comfort is with this version.
Enjoy!

[big a]

Got my holster in yesterday.


Gonna try it out in about an hour when we hit some stores and a hockey game.
Looking good, what type of holster is that?

[spectrrr]

I will remember which scum bag dealers ( and 99% of them are, for years I have commented on how every every scam artist own gun shop) pushed prices 100% over retail. Once the idiot panic buyers leave the market these dealers will have to go back to facing there regulars, and I hope the regulars take there money else were.

If you think about these guys are benefiting from extreme volumes which should make them happy as a pig in slop, but yet they feel the need to double prices.

All the manufactures are running balls to the walls and yet the dealers push blame to them.... I have even heard of numerous complaints were the dealers are even removing the 3 mags out of the box provided by Glock in the gen 4's!!! Another buddy of mine had a Colt AR shipped to dealer and after happily looking over his new rig he noticed the 2 mags were missing that it shipped with. He even contacted the seller who right away told him the were in the case when it shipped......

Sorry guys rant over :2

ehhhhhhhh

regarding taking mags out of the boxes, that's just low and despicable...

(note that it is not my intent for this to be a defense of scumbag dealers, just an economic commentary on why raising your prices should NOT automatically make you a scumbag dealer, that title should be earned through other actions, like the jackass mentioned earlier in the thread that tried to raise the price on a forum member's rifle AFTER the member had already put money down on it and reserved it at the previous price. THAT is a scumbag.)

but in terms of prices, a counterpoint argument to that would be the need/demand based viewpoint of a classical economist. One could argue that BOTH business models (mark prices up and leave them the same) serve a viable and necessary role side-by-side in the overall consumer buying experience.

At times of high demand, the venders who leave their prices the same will sell out instantly. When they get in new stock, there will be a short rush, and then they're sold out again. This means that some customers, regardless of whether they "wanted" that rifle a lot or just thought now might be a good time to buy it (impulse buy), some will get it, some will not. Customers that get one are happy, customers that don't get one will continue hunting for it and hope they get lucky next time.

But for the vendors that mark up their prices, I'll argue that serve a different market. Sure, you're not happy with them, but that's OK, because honestly, you're not their targeted customer, economically speaking. I'll interject a personal example to illustrate what I'm trying to say.

I'm moving out of the country in 10 weeks. I'll be gone for a year. But for the sake of argument, lets say I'm leaving in 3 weeks. I NEED to buy anything I want before I go. I don't have a choice in this matter. In that case, I'll try my hand with the cheaper deal lottery like everyone else, at least for a week... but then my personal demand for the product rises and I'm willing to pay more to have it right now. Or maybe my father's birthday is next week and I really have a specific item in mind for him. In those cases, I have outside mitigating factors that make me willing to pay more for the convenience of having an item RIGHT NOW than you would be.

In that instance, a vendor who chooses to inflate his prices becomes a good thing, because that vendor will the only one available that still has stock on hand to cater to the smaller group of customers that have a higher demand and need for the product than the average buyer. I am grateful for a system that not only votes with it's dollars, BUT ALSO recognizes the inherent value in having both types of vendors in the marketplace. If everyone were forced to keep their prices low, by dearth of law or simply sheer terror of guaranteed and immediate public shunning, then someone like me with a higher need for the product would be S.O.L. when it came time to buy.

The market needs a balance, enough fear of the public voting $$'s that most will keep their prices low and let the public play the supply lottery, but also enough understanding from the public that some vendors can raise their prices and cater to the other side of the market that has a higher need for the product right now. If everyone had high prices, there would be a segment of the market (those unwilling or unable to pay higher prices) left out in the cold. But equally, if everyone had cheap prices, there would be a segment of the market (those able to, or willing to pay the higher prices) also left out in the cold. We need both!

I see a lot of people angrily decry that they will vote with their dollars elsewhere when this is over, which is fine, I support and encourage the capitalist system's freedom to do so. But when raising prices suddenly becomes synonymous with scumbag, I have to draw the line there. It seems that some of the persecution leveraged at the higher priced vendors is just a misunderstanding that they are serving a different market, but a valid market nevertheless. In those cases, I'm sad to see the consumer voting with their dollars like that over a misunderstanding...

I have purchased some stripped lowers at higher prices than necessary for this exact reason. In stock, or shipping before the end of January is my target. If I was willing to wait until March to have my product, I would have had many many more options in terms of what I purchased. (legislation won't take effect until after that anyway). But I needed the product now, so I paid the higher price for the in stock lower instead of the backorder one.

just my :2 on the subject (I also happened to be an economics major in college, which influences my view a bit :))

[emopunker2004]

Looking good, what type of holster is that?

I believe his was made by tommy theis of theisholsters.com

[spectrrr]

I own quite a few holsters but have never gotten one of these kydex with that large leather area and extra side clips. Let us know how that feels as I have always sought the minimal amount if material as possible. Curious as to how the comfort is with this version.
Enjoy!

I havn't either, but I might get one for my next holster... having the extra leather behind the slide to keep it from digging into me just looks damned comfortable to me!

[Remo]

I own quite a few holsters but have never gotten one of these kydex with that large leather area and extra side clips. Let us know how that feels as I have always sought the minimal amount if material as possible. Curious as to how the comfort is with this version.
Enjoy!

Bit of a minimalist myself, here are my 3 I usually use. Ankle mainly for the winter, little neoprene one just to throw in my lower back. They all fit my compact or full size.

12948

[jluck]

Guess this is one way to jump start the economy, start a gun control debate.

Finally a stimulus plan that works....:r

[emopunker2004]

Can't wait for my pj holster to come in

[Blueface]

Can't wait for my pj holster to come in

What do you have on order?
I am waiting for a replacement for my LCP as gave mine to my son for his that was recently purchased. Gave son both the holster and mag holder and ordered new ones for me.
10 days into the order but Paul is now running 4 weeks out rather than his usual 2-3.
I absolutely love his stuff. Simplest, lightest, most unnoticeable of all holsters.
Here is my Shield's.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/E08F104B-8FBF-4745-9FC9-CD60DC4DBD18-7200-000003ACEC56ECB6.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/01BA464B-93F1-47A9-AB9F-1D7265A4BBC8-7200-000003ACF433DABB.jpg

[emopunker2004]

He's making one for my kahr cw45. I had one for my cm9 when I had one and loved it

[Blueface]

He's making one for my kahr cw45. I had one for my cm9 when I had one and loved it

It's like going "commando".:r

[Remo]

What do you have on order?
I am waiting for a replacement for my LCP as gave mine to my son for his that was recently purchased. Gave son both the holster and mag holder and ordered new ones for me.
10 days into the order but Paul is now running 4 weeks out rather than his usual 2-3.
I absolutely love his stuff. Simplest, lightest, most unnoticeable of all holsters.
Here is my Shield's.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/E08F104B-8FBF-4745-9FC9-CD60DC4DBD18-7200-000003ACEC56ECB6.jpg

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/01BA464B-93F1-47A9-AB9F-1D7265A4BBC8-7200-000003ACF433DABB.jpg


Those are pretty slick!!!

[Blueface]

Check out a profile photo.
"Commando"!!!:r

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/85011998-0FC6-4DCF-A623-707D71FBBD63-7200-000003ACF09244F3.jpg

[Remo]

Check out a profile photo.
"Commando"!!!:r

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/85011998-0FC6-4DCF-A623-707D71FBBD63-7200-000003ACF09244F3.jpg

Ya, I really like those :tu

[emopunker2004]

Yeh mike those holsters weigh nothing

[Remo]

Yeh mike those holsters weigh nothing

Maybe a bday gift!

[spectrrr]

Maybe a bday gift!

So your birthday is tomorrow then I take it? :cool:

[Remo]

So your birthday is tomorrow then I take it? :cool:

:r

[CigarSquid]

I probably missed the train... But where can I find some 9mm ammo online. I have checked a few places that I had bookmarked. Even some brands I never heard of.. are all gone.

[Remo]

I probably missed the train... But where can I find some 9mm ammo online. I have checked a few places that I had bookmarked. Even some brands I never heard of.. are all gone.

Try cheaper than dirt

[CigarSquid]

Thanks.. Checking now.

[Remo]

I think bear on a rock has ammo also.

[spectrrr]

I probably missed the train... But where can I find some 9mm ammo online. I have checked a few places that I had bookmarked. Even some brands I never heard of.. are all gone.

depends on whether you need it NOW or later. If you need it now, then you have to buy it from one of the big name companies. all the small websites are running behind on shipping anything for 1-4 weeks, even if its showing in stock. The big websites have a bit more of a modular operation and were able to ramp up shipping smoother, they're still shipping on time if they have it. And they'll tell you when they think they'll have it back in stock.

If you're content with it later, then you have even more options from lots of different small companies.

http://www.slickguns.com/category/ammo
http://www.sportsmansguide.con
http://www.cabelas.com
http://www.midwayusa.com
http://www.brownels.com

I picked up some of this stuff cheap, $11 a box for Aguila 9mm 124gr FMJ (read good enough stuff about em), but it won't ship for another 4 weeks.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/aguila-ammunition-9mm-117-grain-hp-50-rounds.aspx?a=282526

[CigarSquid]

Thanks. I'm in no hurry for it.

[Blueface]

Thanks. I'm in no hurry for it.

My favorite ammo supplier.
Check daily as supply changes as much as twice a day lately.
www.sgammo.com

[dijit]

Thanks. I'm in no hurry for it.

Gary if you werent so far out in the sticks I would say come over we will make you a few thousand rounds of 9mm. I have about 4k rounds of brass and about 1500 bullets 124 gr FMJ would only take a few hours to run those off.

[spectrrr]

I need to get a loader one of these days...

[CigarSquid]

Gary if you werent so far out in the sticks I would say come over we will make you a few thousand rounds of 9mm. I have about 4k rounds of brass and about 1500 bullets 124 gr FMJ would only take a few hours to run those off.

That would be awesome. Why do you have to live so far?

[emopunker2004]

Looking for ammo? Try here
Ammotogo.com
Wideners.com
Sgammo.com
Palmettostatearmory.com
Aimsurplus.com
Freedommunitions.com
Luckygunner.com
Natchezss.com

[CigarSquid]

Have you guys shot/used the Blazer Brass brand?

[Blueface]

Have you guys shot/used the Blazer Brass brand?

I have. Just once.
Shot 124 gr 9mm.
No flaws other than found it to be the dirtiest ammo I have ever shot. Same for friend that was with me who was a trainer at academy.
Not sure if we had a bad batch or that is the norm but have not bought it as result of that day at the range.
Our hands were literally black when we were done.

[CigarSquid]

I ended up with this. Says about a month out.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=706843&categoryId=0&parentCategoryId=0&subCategoryId=0&indexId=0&productVariantId=1381389&quantity=1&itemGUID=156ce01eac1084570eb816c316f78fa6&WTz_l=Unknown%3Bcat106633080&destination=%2Fcheckout%2Fitem_added_to_cart.jsp%3 Fresult%3Dsuccess%26categoryIds%3D104792580%7C1046 91780%7C106633080%26productId%3D706843%26backToPre viousUrl%3D%252Fcatalog%252Fproduct.jsp%253Fproduc tId%253D706843%2526dropDownGroupValues%253A0%253D6 09%26WTz_l%3DProduct

[Blueface]

I ended up with this. Says about a month out.

http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=706843&categoryId=0&parentCategoryId=0&subCategoryId=0&indexId=0&productVariantId=1381389&quantity=1&itemGUID=156ce01eac1084570eb816c316f78fa6&WTz_l=Unknown%3Bcat106633080&destination=%2Fcheckout%2Fitem_added_to_cart.jsp%3 Fresult%3Dsuccess%26categoryIds%3D104792580%7C1046 91780%7C106633080%26productId%3D706843%26backToPre viousUrl%3D%252Fcatalog%252Fproduct.jsp%253Fproduc tId%253D706843%2526dropDownGroupValues%253A0%253D6 09%26WTz_l%3DProduct

I use Winchester quite a bit and like it for range ammo.
If you want it quicker than a month out, check SGammo daily. Stuff on there all the time and cheaper than Cabela's.
Very fast shipping.

[CigarSquid]

I will have to check that.. I don't see them on there now.

They have the 1000 rounds Federal JHP for almost, just a bit higher than the Winchester at cabelas. I do not want to just shoot JHP, but for the same price, why not?

[emopunker2004]

Have you guys shot/used the Blazer Brass brand?

BB is good cheap ammo. Its dirty but runs great

[spectrrr]

Although I had previously "heard" of 3gun, I had never watched a video before today. I'm hooked. I want to do it. RIGHT NOW. I think I found my new hobby when I return to the states next year. That should make the wife REALLLLY happy :r

There's a match up in my neck of the woods end of the month, I'll try to get up there and see what its like. before I leave...

[spectrrr]

an AR mag with a numerical countdown indicator? GENIUS!
I'm surprised these aren't more popular here in the US...

http://store.commandarms.com/products/CDMAG.html

[Remo]

I have seen those, cool idea :tu

[emopunker2004]

Still waiting for my E-lander mags from Mako to ship. Should hopefully ship within the week.

[Blueface]

Still waiting for my E-lander mags from Mako to ship. Should hopefully ship within the week.

Same here.
Charge hit on my card on Friday.
Hoping that is a sign of processing.

[emopunker2004]

They're behind on shipping. They have inventory but they just have way to many orders to fill. Mako said they even have family members coming in to help fill orders.

Edit: I placed my order on 12/27

[Blueface]

They're behind on shipping. They have inventory but they just have way to many orders to fill. Mako said they even have family members coming in to help fill orders.

Edit: I placed my order on 12/27

I placed mine on 12/31 so I guess you will be my gauge as to when mine ship.

[emopunker2004]

I also have a 10-pack of d&h usgi mags with magpul followers back ordered from dsg arms since 12/20

[Blueface]

I also have a 10-pack of d&h usgi mags with magpul followers back ordered from dsg arms since 12/20

I have six from Midway (limit of 2 so ordered 2 of each).

I just got charged today for my Armalite order directly from Armalite for 2 20 and 2 25 mags for .308. That has to be good news that I was charged now when ordered around 12/20. Fingers crossed.

[Blueface]

Attention AR guys.
Great home defense ammo at great price.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/winchester-5-56-40gr-jacketed-frangible-ammunition-20rds-box-usa556jf.html

[emopunker2004]

I'd rather have 75gr TAP :D

[Blueface]

I'd rather have 75gr TAP :D

Agree but anyone wanting a good deal today, not a bad one to have a few boxes of, when not interested in going through walls and houses.:r

[emopunker2004]

Heck that 40gr Fran ammo would make good steel plinking ammo

[spectrrr]

I have mixed feelings about frangible ammo. If it's going to break up before going through a wall, odds are that it may have spent a lot of it's energy already by the time it gets through a leather jacket and only create a superficial wound. Not good IMO :(


I put all my eggs in the pmag basket from DSG... hope that doesn't backfire on me!

[Blueface]

This should add an interesting mix to the debate of high capacity mags and Glock type guns.
Put five out of six fired rounds in assailant.
Guy made out of house and is alive and well in hospital.
Imagine if more assailants, she could have been dead, along with her children.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-mom-shoots-home-intruder-face-article-1.1234400

And to think I wonder if a loaded AR with 30 rounds, a loaded Glock with 13 and an extra mag loaded, a loaded LCP and a loaded Shield are enough.

[dijit]

That would be awesome. Why do you have to live so far?

I live here in the sticks because no one looks at me odd for building bullets or carrying firearms. The city cop next door gets a little bent when I test fire a round in the back yard though. lol

[emopunker2004]

I live here in the sticks because no one looks at me odd for building bullets or carrying firearms. The city cop next door gets a little bent when I test fire a round in the back yard though. lol

Just bribe him with a few boolits

[spectrrr]

hmm... I must be missing something here.

I picked up a Sightmark red dot scope after reading good reviews around the web, my FIRST red dot sight.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003QNTS88/ref=oh_details_o01_s01_i03

Build quality seems good enough, good field of view, mostly visible red dot (bright sunlight and snow like I have here gave it a bit of trouble, but you can still make out the dot, which is all one can expect for under $100.

But here's the problem - correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be, the theory of a red dot is that, similar to a reflex sight, the dot moves around in the window relative to your head position, so it doesn't matter what angle you look through it, the dot is on target, right?

So I set it down on the table, aimed it at the wall 10ft away, and peered through. Eureka, a dot! and I moved my head to the side, Eureka, the dot moved with my head! But wait... the point of aim also moved with my head! Significantly! At only 10ft away, moving my head to the side could adjust the point of aim by approx. 4 inches in either direction!

This effect is generally minimized with a scope which has minimal eye relief, you can't actually see through it unless you're lined up pretty close to center. But with a wide red dot tube like that one, if the point of aim shifts, then how are you supposed to line your head up precisely down the middle to get an accurate shot if it has such a wide viewing angle?

[Robulous78]

hmm... I must be missing something here.

I picked up a Sightmark red dot scope after reading good reviews around the web, my FIRST red dot sight.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003QNTS88/ref=oh_details_o01_s01_i03

Build quality seems good enough, good field of view, mostly visible red dot (bright sunlight and snow like I have here gave it a bit of trouble, but you can still make out the dot, which is all one can expect for under $100.

But here's the problem - correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be, the theory of a red dot is that, similar to a reflex sight, the dot moves around in the window relative to your head position, so it doesn't matter what angle you look through it, the dot is on target, right?

So I set it down on the table, aimed it at the wall 10ft away, and peered through. Eureka, a dot! and I moved my head to the side, Eureka, the dot moved with my head! But wait... the point of aim also moved with my head! Significantly! At only 10ft away, moving my head to the side could adjust the point of aim by approx. 4 inches in either direction!

This effect is generally minimized with a scope which has minimal eye relief, you can't actually see through it unless you're lined up pretty close to center. But with a wide red dot tube like that one, if the point of aim shifts, then how are you supposed to line your head up precisely down the middle to get an accurate shot if it has such a wide viewing angle?

I've wondered this myself... Anyone?

:po

[emopunker2004]

Francis. Why don't u try it actually shooting and see what happens if u move ur head but the dot stays in target?

I'm sure someone on arfcom can answer your question though

[CigarSquid]

So hard to pull the trigger on the Winchester 9mm ammo. $367.94 shipped, for 1200 rounds of 115gr