Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3

[zemekone]

Some of you were asking for a workout thread here you go...

off to the gym now...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/zemekone/smileys/bench.gif

[zemekone]

just getting back:

Deadlift day 10 sets of 225lbs

[papichulo]

You are an animal Gerry:usa

[King James]

what the heck... 2 workout threads?

[doctorcue]

I need to get back in the gym... getting fat. I'll be hitting you guys up for tips once I get in the swing of things.

BTW: 10 sets of 225? Dyamn!

[zemekone]

You are an animal Gerry:usa

thats after not deadlifting for like 3 months... :D

[Cigargal]

I support you in all you do. Good luck, guys:tu

[smitdavi]

Would you guys rather do a full set with lesser weight or bump the weight up and go till failure? That's what I'm struggling with right now.

[icehog3]

Would you guys rather do a full set with lesser weight or bump the weight up and go till failure? That's what I'm struggling with right now.

I consider failure to be a full set, David....guess it is semantics.

[Stig]

Got my inclined leg presses up to 1300 ponds, full set of 10 reps

[Rock Star]

I worked out on a couple of double cheese burgers from Mac D's..add the big mac sauce..Its bangin..Did 2 reps..downed it with some sweet tea 32 oz curls..Im lovin it! but really its time i hit the gym..need a push..i think i got it today.

[smitdavi]

I consider failure to be a full set, David....guess it is semantics.

Gotcha....I've been bumping up the weights at the end of sets, and instead of being able to do the full 10 or 12 reps I can really only do about 5-7 at this higher weight. I just didn't know if I should leave it at the lower weight and do the full 10 to 12 reps or if it was cool to do the higher weight with only 5-7 reps.

[Sean9689]

Have a bit of a cold so I skipped out today. I'm super sore from Tuesday...doing some core training mixed with weights & machines.

[icehog3]

Gotcha....I've been bumping up the weights at the end of sets, and instead of being able to do the full 10 or 12 reps I can really only do about 5-7 at this higher weight. I just didn't know if I should leave it at the lower weight and do the full 10 to 12 reps or if it was cool to do the higher weight with only 5-7 reps.

I mix it up every other workout, sometimes 10-15 reps to faliure, sometimes 4-6.

[smitdavi]

I mix it up every other workout, sometimes 10-15 reps to faliure, sometimes 4-6.

Thanks Tom :tu

[Genetic Defect]

Would you guys rather do a full set with lesser weight or bump the weight up and go till failure? That's what I'm struggling with right now.

I remember reading about one guy(can't remember who) but he never liked the idea to lift to failure, said you are training yourself to fail.
I agree with Tom though if you lift to failure that is a full set.

[Genetic Defect]

Gotcha....I've been bumping up the weights at the end of sets, and instead of being able to do the full 10 or 12 reps I can really only do about 5-7 at this higher weight. I just didn't know if I should leave it at the lower weight and do the full 10 to 12 reps or if it was cool to do the higher weight with only 5-7 reps.

maybe try a weight in the middle of the two ends and try for 10, do you have a spotter?

[papichulo]

ahhh, how do I give RG to Gerry?:r

[zemekone]

drugs kickin in...

[The Professor]

lifted through thursday, took yesterday and today off because of the travel and jus tbeing physically and mentally exhausted from my interviews. back on the wagon with some cardio tomorrow and lifting seriously on Monday.

[icehog3]

lifted through thursday, took yesterday and today off because of the travel and jus tbeing physically and mentally exhausted from my interviews. back on the wagon with some cardio tomorrow and lifting seriously on Monday.

Good deal Dokk!

I took a few days off from the gym as well. I had lifted for well over a week without a break, and had 3 hockey games in the last 4 nights (including tonight), so I gave myself a little break. Hope to be back in the gym manana. :ze

[muziq]

I work out regularly, but I'm no beefcake. Just trying to stay in shape. That said, probably my biggest accomplishment to date is going from 2 (yes, 2, stop laughing) pullups to my target of 30. Can thank Gerry for the incentive :tu

[zemekone]

Just getting back: back day

Pullups
3 sets of 10 with 45lbs strapped on
4 sets of 5 with 55lbs strapped on
3 sets of 5 with 65lbs strapped on
7 sets of 5 with 75lbs strapped on

thats all...

right now im all about the pullups... :ze

[mmblz]

did you see the new smiley? colon+ze, just for you... :ze

[shade]

Can you guys give me some exercises to do to get your legs in basketball playing shape? This is for my son who plays HS ball.

Last year he would get fatigued at the end of both halves, effecting both his shot, and defense. Right now he's running in open gym practices, and lifting weights with the team, but what I'm looking for is a 20 min. routine I can help him with at home. No weights, but things like jump rope, duck walk, etc. Any ideas? Thanks!

[zemekone]

Can you guys give me some exercises to do to get your legs in basketball playing shape? This is for my son who plays HS ball.

Last year he would get fatigued at the end of both halves, effecting both his shot, and defense. Right now he's running in open gym practices, and lifting weights with the team, but what I'm looking for is a 20 min. routine I can help him with at home. No weights, but things like jump rope, duck walk, etc. Any ideas? Thanks!

find a hill with about a 10-12% grade measure out about 40 yards and sprint up them and lots of plyometrics...

[DavenportESQ]

This AM

Warm Up sets

Power Cleans x 5 245
x 5 245
x 4 265
x 4 265
x 3 271

Floor Press Goal=3 rep max

225x5
275x5
315x3
335x3
365x3
385x3
405x3

CG Floor Press (close Grip)
5x10-225

Fatboy Rows 5x10


This was an awful workout at 6 Am on a monday after hard partying! only the 3rd week of the cycle too

[The Professor]

You're a monster, Davenport. :tu

A light back day today since my upper back is still bothering me from a couple of weeks ago. I need to go to a chiropractor to get popped.

45 pullups (assisted)
2 x 6 @ 225 v-bar pulldowns
2 x 6 @ 185 barbell rows (tried 225 and couldn't today)
3 x 6 @ 85 straight-bar curls
2 x 6 @ 35ea alternating dumbbell curls

Tomorrow is shoulders ... we'll see what happens.

[icehog3]

Great workout Dave!

Hope you feel better, Dokk!

I need to get motivated, been hockey and not much else the past 5-6 days or so.

[DavenportESQ]

Tom since your "in" season do you just lift for maintenance....Beach muscles? Curls for the girls, or do you still hit it hard?

[DavenportESQ]

You're a monster, Davenport. :tu

A light back day today since my upper back is still bothering me from a couple of weeks ago. I need to go to a chiropractor to get popped.

45 pullups (assisted)
2 x 6 @ 225 v-bar pulldowns
2 x 6 @ 185 barbell rows (tried 225 and couldn't today)
3 x 6 @ 85 straight-bar curls
2 x 6 @ 35ea alternating dumbbell curls

Tomorrow is shoulders ... we'll see what happens.


Thanks Bro! I still wish I could do 45 pull ups!:D

[King James]

Killed chest today

Bench Press (BB)
Power Dumbbell Chest Press (on ground)
Decline Press (BB)
Flys

[Sailchaser]

I thought I was doing well with 12 Minutes on the airdyno bike after work this afternoon, I did lift 1875 pounds of drywall with a forklift using only one finger and a forklift at work. Having 2 replacement Hips I was still glad to get something in and today is my hope is to continue on my quest to loose a few and get in better shape.:ze

[cigarflip]

Just getting back: back day

Pullups
3 sets of 10 with 45lbs strapped on
4 sets of 5 with 55lbs strapped on
3 sets of 5 with 65lbs strapped on
7 sets of 5 with 75lbs strapped on

thats all...

right now im all about the pullups... :ze

1 set of greasy fish and chips
3 sets of donuts

Need I say more?:D

[zemekone]

1 set of greasy fish and chips
3 sets of donuts

Need I say more?:D
Why do you hate me?

[The Professor]

Tom since your "in" season do you just lift for maintenance....Beach muscles? Curls for the girls, or do you still hit it hard?
The Admiral ALWAYS hits it hard. :tu

[Genetic Defect]

You're a monster, Davenport. :tu

A light back day today since my upper back is still bothering me from a couple of weeks ago. I need to go to a chiropractor to get popped.

45 pullups (assisted)
2 x 6 @ 225 v-bar pulldowns
2 x 6 @ 185 barbell rows (tried 225 and couldn't today)
3 x 6 @ 85 straight-bar curls
2 x 6 @ 35ea alternating dumbbell curls

Tomorrow is shoulders ... we'll see what happens.
hope you get it better Dokk.
:)

[The Professor]

hope you get it better Dokk.
:)
Thanks, Perry. There's just something in my rear rib region that keeps popping out. The funny thing is that I can pop it back in ... but then it pops back out again. A chiro can fix that up good. All that said...


...it didn't stop me from doing some alright lifts today.

3 sets of 120lb seated military presses
1 set of 45lb/ea db press (I've been doing 50s; but just couldn't get them up today)
2 sets of 35lb/ea db side raises
shrugs: 10x135, 10x225, 6x315, 6x365, 5x365, 4x365

Also got to give an athletic guy some deadlift tips, which was fun for a fatty like me. :D

[DavenportESQ]

This AM

Power Snatch 197x5
203x5
215x4
215x4
225x3

Zercher squats (goal is 3 rep max)
135x5
185x5
225x3
275x3
315x3
365x3
405x5

Super set Good AM's with Leg Curls

Interesting thing is that I was suprisingly more limber/explosive this AM while my partner was lathargic. I guess I responded better to having my CNS stimulated the day before.

[icehog3]

Tom since your "in" season do you just lift for maintenance....Beach muscles? Curls for the girls, or do you still hit it hard?

The Admiral ALWAYS hits it hard. :tu

I don't change much except back off the squats if it is a game day, Dave. Maintenance is for baseball players....and swimmers. ;) :r

[DavenportESQ]

I don't change much except back off the squats if it is a game day, Dave. Maintenance is for baseball players....and swimmers. ;) :r


Haha!

[The Professor]

I repeat ... you are a monster. :)

[icehog3]

I repeat ... you are a monster. :)

Casper, the Friendly Ghost? :r

Thanks Dokk. :)

When we herfin'?

[The Professor]

Casper, the Friendly Ghost? :r

Thanks Dokk. :)

When we herfin'?
I was talking to Davenport....







....But you're a monster, too. :tu :usa

Herfin??? Git yer ass down here and we'll herf after some Dog n Suds. :D :dr

[The Professor]

Only cardio today. Very sore from last two days ... which means I just didn't consume enough protein. Oh well. Need that reminder every once in a while, I suppose.

Back to the iron tomorrow.

[smitdavi]

In my 5th week now of 4 days a week. Feel pretty good, all my weights have gone up and I'm slowly adding new stuff to the regiment each week. Can see a little difference in my chest and arms, mainly just stick to the beach workout with a little legs mixed in :D

[Sancho]

Do you folks generally use free weights or machines?

[smitdavi]

Do you folks generally use free weights or machines?

I use both, probably about 60/40 free weights to machines

[DavenportESQ]

I would prob. be 80/20 Free weights to machines. They do have benefits because you have constant tension on the muscle the through the whole range of motion.

Prof-What is your daily target protein intake?

[The Professor]

I would prob. be 80/20 Free weights to machines. They do have benefits because you have constant tension on the muscle the through the whole range of motion.

Prof-What is your daily target protein intake?
My target is 1g/lb (200+). My actual intake the past couple of days has probably been 125-150g ... which is just ridiculous. I know better than that. Speaking of -- I'd better hit some more protein. I'm at about 130 for the day so far; but I really need to be sure to stay on target tomorrow and Friday. :)

PS -- I'm about the same free weight/machine ratio as D.ESQ. I *think* the only machines I use are cable lat and row machines at this point. Actually ... may actually be more like 90/10 -- unless you count the "smith machine," which I use for my bench so I can push a little further without a spotter.

[DavenportESQ]

I use machines for more "show" exercises...Leg curls Peck Deck, curl machines, stuff like that and will work very slowly where I can maintain a constant tension on the specific muscle group, instead of sometimes cheating by using other muscles. It makes me feel the pump like AHHHNOLD!

[Genetic Defect]

But couldn't you be a douche remotely? Maybe just call in?

:r:r

[The Professor]

But couldn't you be a douche remotely? Maybe just call in?

Kidding aside, whats a good number to work as far as sets and reps? I know Tom said till failure but comnig off my recent elbow injury the last time I lifted I thoguht I was going to dislocate it again :(
Have you considered a good elbow wrap? I'd recommend Inzer.

[icehog3]

:r just waiting to see if a MoB member wants to ride along I'm 88% ;)


I thought you had a game Saturday :confused:

When did I say that? :confused:

Kidding aside, whats a good number to work as far as sets and reps? I know Tom said till failure but comnig off my recent elbow injury the last time I lifted I thoguht I was going to dislocate it again :(

Don't lift anything that causes joint pain, Chris, you could be doing serious damage.

[The Professor]

Don't lift anything that causes joint pain, Chris, you could be doing serious damage.
:tpd:

Indeed. I meant to type the following last night (but must have deleted it by accident):

As zemekone always told me, "Being sore is okay; but pain is pain."

In other words, it's one thing to have sore muscles after lifting -- you are, after all, creating micro-tears in your muscles when you lift heavy enough to do any good. It's another thing to actually cause pain (see Icehog3).

[The Professor]

I fought the power racks ... and they won. Feel like I've been beat up with an iron bar today. Oh wait -- I have. :r

Got up *way* late and felt way dehydrated, which makes sense since last night was the first night with the heater on all night. Today was leg day, which got complicated since this is usually the day I take a bit longer (try not to rush getting up to weight on squats), but I had to shorten my day since I was running behind and parking illegally (Dr. MRS has the parking pass and she's out of town).

Squats:
135 x 8
185 x 8
225 x 6
275 x 4
275 x 4
275 x 4

For some reason, 275 was just wrecking me. Almost fell forward at one point; almost puked at another. Oh well ... I knew this would be an "off" week given last week's travels and the way I've been eating.

Stiff-legged deads:
135 x 10
225 x 6
275 x 6
275 x 6
295 x 5F
295 x 3F

295 may actually be a new personal best for me, which is kind of cool. Tried to follow that with some seated calf raises with 3 pies; but my calves cramped up (not enough water in my system) and I realized my body was just out of juice.

Re-learning important lessons about nutrition and my body this week. LoL!

[DavenportESQ]

Today was a fun day in the weight room. First time I've felt that I could push myself, I was much more positive. It was also a less complex day which made me excited to be in and out, with minimal loading.

Speed Bench
We do this to stimulate CNS. We already have a day where we rally load up (floor press) this is more designed as a sport specific (shot put) exercise. We use the Tendo unit( A computer we hook up with measures total watts/and Meters/second) This is also fun because while power lifters can lift a lot, that is not what I need to do, I need to be more dynamic and flexible. I tried to keep everything over 1m/s

warm up sets
185x3
195x3
225x3
225x3
225x3
250x3
250x3
250x3

I did this all with <1 min. rest

Incline DB Bench- I really like these because I get more isolation, and can load up without putting a lot of stress on my shoulder (I have several injuries here)

90x8
100x8
110x8
125x8

That was a new PR for 8 for me. Pretty geeked....I was feeling the "arnold pump" at this point and supersetted Pullups and Tricept extensions

This was nice, instead of going home and crashing I felt like teh workout invigorated me and helped me start my day, which in turn led me to surfing the net looking for cigars ha!

[zemekone]

Incline DB Bench- I really like these because I get more isolation, and can load up without putting a lot of stress on my shoulder (I have several injuries here)

90x8
100x8
110x8
125x8

That was a new PR for 8 for me. Pretty geeked....I was feeling the "arnold pump" at this point and supersetted Pullups and Tricept extensions

This was nice, instead of going home and crashing I felt like teh workout invigorated me and helped me start my day, which in turn led me to surfing the net looking for cigars ha!

125x8 PR? are you serious? no disrespect, but i thought it would be more like 155x8ish :confused:

[zemekone]

I fought the power racks ... and they won. Feel like I've been beat up with an iron bar today. Oh wait -- I have. :r

Got up *way* late and felt way dehydrated, which makes sense since last night was the first night with the heater on all night. Today was leg day, which got complicated since this is usually the day I take a bit longer (try not to rush getting up to weight on squats), but I had to shorten my day since I was running behind and parking illegally (Dr. MRS has the parking pass and she's out of town).

Squats:
135 x 8
185 x 8
225 x 6
275 x 4
275 x 4
275 x 4

For some reason, 275 was just wrecking me. Almost fell forward at one point; almost puked at another. Oh well ... I knew this would be an "off" week given last week's travels and the way I've been eating.

Stiff-legged deads:
135 x 10
225 x 6
275 x 6
275 x 6
295 x 5F
295 x 3F

295 may actually be a new personal best for me, which is kind of cool. Tried to follow that with some seated calf raises with 3 pies; but my calves cramped up (not enough water in my system) and I realized my body was just out of juice.

Re-learning important lessons about nutrition and my body this week. LoL!

nice workout...

[The Professor]

125x8 PR? are you serious? no disrespect, but i thought it would be more like 155x8ish :confused:
Dumbbells, Gerry -- that's each arm. :r

Nice job, DavESQ!!! I'm not sure what the 1m/sec means. Is that the rate at which you press the weight (i.e., 1 meter per second)? If so, daaaaaammmmmnnnnn. :tu

[The Professor]

nice workout...
Really? Thanks.

[King James]

got class late, but ganna try to hit the gym tonight. Legs are killing me from squating on tuesday

[DavenportESQ]

125x8 PR? are you serious? no disrespect, but i thought it would be more like 155x8ish :confused:


G, I usually dont do much rep work above 6's sry I guess I will need to come out and train with you to get stronger in my DB Incline:ze:ze:ze

1 m/s is pretty much the target goal for me for most of the presses, I try to work close to 2 m/s in all pulling/olympic exercises. If you have a tendo unit at any of your gyms they are a really good piece of equipment. During summer training I have a test I do before every workout and measure and see what power production I am at, and that dictates the workout, we also do this in season to avoid over training. Plus it just makes sense, if you can't pull at maximum efficiency why do that workout?

[replicant_argent]

The Admiral ALWAYS hits it hard. :tu

:lv









:r

[zemekone]

G, I usually dont do much rep work above 6's sry I guess I will need to come out and train with you to get stronger in my DB Incline:ze:ze:ze

1 m/s is pretty much the target goal for me for most of the presses, I try to work close to 2 m/s in all pulling/olympic exercises. If you have a tendo unit at any of your gyms they are a really good piece of equipment. During summer training I have a test I do before every workout and measure and see what power production I am at, and that dictates the workout, we also do this in season to avoid over training. Plus it just makes sense, if you can't pull at maximum efficiency why do that workout?

ok forget it... i thought you were just doin 1m/s for the warm ups, but if your doin that with the dumbells too, then im the dumbell :r

how much do you weigh?

[DavenportESQ]

Im at my lean fighting weight of 260 ish

[zemekone]

Im at my lean fighting weight of 260 ish

gotcha... im a lil kid compared to you... :D

[DavenportESQ]

We are even because I am the little kid when it comes to cigars!

[zemekone]

We are even because I am the little kid when it comes to cigars!

so am i...

[Mustang1]

OK fellas, I'm gonna stick my head up finally after reading this thread here and on the other board. I never really lifted before. I was more of a push-up, sit-up kind of guy.

Well I'm trying to come off of a long sedentary period of about seven years. I drank alot of beer and ate alot of food. I was about 180 Lbs, for my height that is damn fat, bordering on obese. So for the past 2 almost 3 months I've been monitering my diet and doing some light upperbody weights. I dropped down to about 145 Lbs.

When is a good time to start bulking up? I heard from some website that you should get down to below 10% body fat before you start consuming more calories to start putting on more lean muscle. I still have some belly fat, should I lose as much of the gut as possible before?

Also, is the whole 1g of protein per pound of lean muscle mass formula effective?

And Zemekone, you are the pull-up king. I am up to three with good form and happy. Sure I can do five but after the third, it gets dodgey quick. :tu

[zemekone]

When is a good time to start bulking up? I heard from some website that you should get down to below 10% body fat before you start consuming more calories to start putting on more lean muscle. I still have some belly fat, should I lose as much of the gut as possible before?


in my opinion winter is the perfect time to bulk up cuz you can wear sweaters, and jackets plus you have all the big eating holidays...


Also, is the whole 1g of protein per pound of lean muscle mass formula effective?


i like 1.5 g of protein per pound, and 2.0 grams per pound of carbs


And Zemekone, you are the pull-up king. I am up to three with good form and happy. Sure I can do five but after the third, it gets dodgey quick. :tu

when i started doin pullups i couldnt do 5 to save my life, so i started doin 12 everyday, didnt matter how long it took just get to 12, then 15, then 20, then skys the limit...

now i do weighted pullups 50 with at least 45 every other day...

[Mustang1]

in my opinion winter is the perfect time to bulk up cuz you can wear sweaters, and jackets plus you have all the big eating holidays...



i like 1.5 g of protein per pound, and 2.0 grams per pound of carbs



when i started doin pullups i couldnt do 5 to save my life, so i started doin 12 everyday, didnt matter how long it took just get to 12, then 15, then 20, then skys the limit...

now i do weighted pullups 50 with at least 45 every other day...

Thanks Zemekone! Appreciate the info!

[icehog3]

Tore up chest today, hit the incline DBs hard, then some flat bench, and dips.

Hockey tonight, time to carb up. :)

[DavenportESQ]

Tore up chest today, hit the incline DBs hard, then some flat bench, and dips.

Hockey tonight, time to carb up. :)

Good luck Bro!

[Sailchaser]

Got some good news today from the doc said I can actually lift some weights again after 8 years off ,goning to alocal gym tommoro that I used to hang out at and see if the can develope a program under my docs recomendations. it will definetly help out my diving strenght:)

[zemekone]

awesome! pullups... thats all i have to say

[icehog3]

Got some good news today from the doc said I can actually lift some weights again after 8 years off ,goning to alocal gym tommoro that I used to hang out at and see if the can develope a program under my docs recomendations. it will definetly help out my diving strenght:)

Good news, Chris! :D

[GhostRyder]

awesome! pullups... thats all i have to say

+1. Burpee pull-ups are even better. Due to all of the running I have been doing I've avoided the gym since the summer. This thread is getting me pumped for my marathon recovery time when I can start hitting the weights again. Although, I get through the O-Course a lot faster with my skinny endurance body then I ever did when I was lifting.

Funny how that works.

[King James]

back to gym tomorrow.... last day of no-xplode (i hope, there isn't much left) big upper body day i think. What is the best place to get white flood from?

[icehog3]

back to gym tomorrow.... last day of no-xplode (i hope, there isn't much left) big upper body day i think. What is the best place to get white flood from?

Bodybuilidng.com....good price, quick delivery. :)

[DavenportESQ]

What is white flood?

[The Professor]

What is white flood?
Pre-lifting supp by "Controlled Labs" that a lot of us take. Basically energy + focus + NO booster. Get some crazy pumps and the occasional berzerker feeling on it (that would probably be the beta alanine). :D

Regular dose is 2 scoops. Someone your size could easily do 3 once you're used to it. 4 would be complete insanity and land you in an asylum. Just ask icehog. ;) :r

[The Professor]

OK ... I'm definitely showing improvement on chest. Still a weak-assed mutha****a (especially given my OK deadlift and squat for a beginner); but I'm getting better and that's a big deal for me. A couple of months ago, on incline, I remember working *up* to 95lbs for 5. Today I started with 95 for 10 as a warmup ... working up to 135 for 3. If I hadn't done flat for quite a few sets beforehand and warmed up for so many reps (also did 115s), I could have done more. Anyway, it was a big deal for me. :) I think next week, I'm gonna stay OFF the smith for all my exercises. :ze Also, I'm pretty sure I could do 185 for 1 on flat bench. I just need a spotter I can trust....

Hope everyone has a good day in the gym! :tu

[replicant_argent]

OK ... I'm definitely showing improvement on chest. Still a weak-assed mutha****a (especially given my OK deadlift and squat for a beginner); but I'm getting better and that's a big deal for me. A couple of months ago, on incline, I remember working *up* to 95lbs for 5. Today I started with 95 for 10 as a warmup ... working up to 135 for 3. If I hadn't done flat for quite a few sets beforehand and warmed up for so many reps (also did 115s), I could have done more. Anyway, it was a big deal for me. :) I think next week, I'm gonna stay OFF the smith for all my exercises. :ze Also, I'm pretty sure I could do 185 for 1 on flat bench. I just need a spotter I can trust....

Hope everyone has a good day in the gym! :tu
:rolleyes:

[Andyman]

hey guys, it's been a while.

Glad to hear everyones workouts have been good. I just hit my 1 year anniversary in the Gym this week. After a slow summer the last month has been crazy. PR's almost daily.

lift on,

A

[Resipsa]

lift lift lift.......run run run.......that is all.

[Sancho]

Broke my clip-in pedal on the ride to work this morning, probably not going to make it to the gym today if I have to walk home :( Hopefully I can scavenge a bolt from somewhere around here...

[DavenportESQ]

Congrats to all on the pr's...
White flood eh? Is it similar to No Explode? I have taken No Explode, MHp's version, and Cytosports version which all sound similar. I liked it for lifiting, but I found that I need more of a boost at practice. I didn't like the feeling that They gave me because I felt a lot more jittery. Right now I take Bodyquick, avail at bodybuilding.com I take 1 pill in the AM, but 3 before practice. This helps focus without the jittery effect, the other day I took it and I had it to where I could feel nothing but my big toe, and when I felt my toe, it was going to be a good throw!

That may sound crazy, but this is an asylum afterall

[DavenportESQ]

Today was a good day, but nothing to write home about

More Speed work with a tendo.

Worked Box Squats at 1 m/s up to 365x3. Its raining here, im tired, and I need a nap!

[icehog3]

I'm a big fan of the White Flood before lifting, but I need something else for hockey, just as you need something else for practice, Dave.

The White Flood blows away NO-Explode for lifting though. :2

I am letting the drugs kick in and then am off to kick some azz at the gym.

[DavenportESQ]

So whats the secret to the Hogs hockey game?

[icehog3]

So whats the secret to the Hogs hockey game?

A psuedo ephedra tablet and some ABB Extreme Ripped Force is my current combo, Dave. :)

[zemekone]

A psuedo ephedra tablet and some ABB Extreme Ripped Force is my current combo, Dave. :)
Vasopro by Mega-Pro International?

[King James]

Upper body day today..... hopefully ganna kill it

"Light Weight!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1KD7cGRDDc

[icehog3]

Vasopro by Mega-Pro International?

Wal-phed from Walgreens. :r

[Sailchaser]

Well made it to the local establishment and the checked all the ranges and started a light weight routine to check on the ability to do weights with the replacement hips, all good, arms and chest all set and the modified some leg excerises so I can do them all except for reverse leg curls not enough range of motion. Not a lot of reps but did 2x10 of everything with light weights and I could walk out with a smile on my face.

[Genetic Defect]

Good to hear Chris :tu

[DavenportESQ]

Well made it to the local establishment and the checked all the ranges and started a light weight routine to check on the ability to do weights with the replacement hips, all good, arms and chest all set and the modified some leg excerises so I can do them all except for reverse leg curls not enough range of motion. Not a lot of reps but did 2x10 of everything with light weights and I could walk out with a smile on my face.

Progress=positive!

[leasingthisspace]

I just read though this thread and I have to say you guys have me pumped up for working out tonight. I am more into the cardio and light weights cuz that is what I was told to do to burn up fat, is that right?

I shoot for 35-50 mins on the eliptical machine followed by 3-5 sets 50%max with 20-30 reps with 1 minute or less between sets. Every other day I run about 3 miles for a morning cardio. With my workouts I am trying to burn fat. Since I really started I lost almost 40 lbs in like 3 months.

I also started eating better. I try for 180-200 grams of protein a day. Sundays are my off days no workout/ eat whatever/ just strech. I am shooting for 185-190 lbs before I start changing the workout to grow me some show me muscles.

Any advice on weather or not this good would be very helpful. Thanks.

[zemekone]

Wal-phed from Walgreens. :r

im intreguied...

ill look for it... :D

[zemekone]

heavy back day...

weighted pullups
bent over rows
deadlifts

:ze

[icehog3]

I just read though this thread and I have to say you guys have me pumped up for working out tonight. I am more into the cardio and light weights cuz that is what I was told to do to burn up fat, is that right?

I shoot for 35-50 mins on the eliptical machine followed by 3-5 sets 50%max with 20-30 reps with 1 minute or less between sets. Every other day I run about 3 miles for a morning cardio. With my workouts I am trying to burn fat. Since I really started I lost almost 40 lbs in like 3 months.

I also started eating better. I try for 180-200 grams of protein a day. Sundays are my off days no workout/ eat whatever/ just strech. I am shooting for 185-190 lbs before I start changing the workout to grow me some show me muscles.

Any advice on weather or not this good would be very helpful. Thanks.


The cardio and light lifting is probably best if you are looking for some fat loss. Remember that diet is a huge part of it to, sometimes more so than exercise.

Is 180-200 grams of protein more or less than you were taking in prior to beginning the program? I wouldn't up my protein levels too much until you have achieved at least part of your desired fat loss. I would suggest cutting back simple and complex carbs as much as you can and still maintain the energy to do what you need to do and to work out. I am not sure what your food options are there, but you can tweak whatever you have to work.

Good luck with the program, and there are many of us here to help when you have more questions. :tu

[leasingthisspace]

Thanks.
I am weighting in at 200-205 right now. So I am close to the weight I want to be at. The portien is guessed cuz i take 2 protien shakes a day and eat 3 small meals. So the numbers may be off a bit. I do limit carbs. Cutting carbs was the hard part of eating right for me. For like the first two weeks I tried to cut them out completely but then realized that wasn't smart so now I eat them just watch to make sure not to much.

[icehog3]

Thanks.
I am weighting in at 200-205 right now. So I am close to the weight I want to be at. The portien is guessed cuz i take 2 protien shakes a day and eat 3 small meals. So the numbers may be off a bit. I do limit carbs. Cutting carbs was the hard part of eating right for me. For like the first two weeks I tried to cut them out completely but then realized that wasn't smart so now I eat them just watch to make sure not to much.

Sounds like you are on the right track, Brother!

Thank you for your service to the USA between workouts. If other questions pop up, I am always honored to help you if I can. :usa

[zemekone]

Sounds like you are on the right track, Brother!

Thank you for your service to the USA between workouts. If other questions pop up, I am always honored to help you if I can. :usa

Ditto...

[Resipsa]

Cardio only day today, 16 miles in 1:54, felt easy.

[King James]

Back is really hurtin' today. Don't think it is related to squatting last week but really sucks.

[icehog3]

Back is really hurtin' today. Don't think it is related to squatting last week but really sucks.

Hope it feels better tomorrow, Jim.

Off day for me....back at it tomorrow.

[The Professor]

Decided to lift today since I had all those carbs this morning. :) I know, I know ... "off" days are supposed to be lift-free. So sue me. ;)

Since they're not in my current rotation, there's nothing quite like it in my rotation, and it's my favorite lift -- and at the egging on of Gerry -- I decided the deadlift would fit the bill.

135 x 10 raw
225 x 10 raw
(took shoes off, grabbed the Inzer, and strapped in for the next set)
315 x 6 (easy, but stopped because I wanted to conserve for more)
365 x 3 (okay ... that was a challenge. I probably could have done 4 or 5, but wanted more)

So I was faced with a decision -- hit 405 for more than one rep or skip 405 and try for a personal record 455. What do you think I did???




455 x 0
455 x 0
455 x 0

Okay -- you can't blame me for trying. At this point, I was feeling pretty spent. I took the 25s off and strapped in for 405; but I felt a slight tinge in my right glute and didn't want to injure myself, so I stopped.

Finished off the day with a bunch of pull-down abs and cable rope crunches. :D

I effing love lifting weights. :ze :r

[icehog3]

I effing love lifting weights. :ze :r

Ain't it cool? :cool:

[The Professor]

Ain't it cool? :cool:
Indeed it is. :cool2:

[King James]

white flood ordered...should be here tuesday. Hadda get rid of the no-xplode so did 4 scoops on Friday and it actually worked for a change.

[DavenportESQ]

white flood ordered...should be here tuesday. Hadda get rid of the no-xplode so did 4 scoops on Friday and it actually worked for a change.

I really liked no explode, even though it didnt get a lot of love. Curious about the duration you took it for Jim? I only took it for 8 weeks, then took some time off, curious if ater a certain amount of time it looses its effectiveness?

[Genetic Defect]

IMTO BSN is junk.

[King James]

I really liked no explode, even though it didnt get a lot of love. Curious about the duration you took it for Jim? I only took it for 8 weeks, then took some time off, curious if ater a certain amount of time it looses its effectiveness?

I don't think you are supposed to eat for a bit before taking it. And I did cycle it so it wasn't from my body just not reacting to it anymore. I just stopped seeing results after awhile, and it started tasting god awful to me....

[leasingthisspace]

Almost time for the gym.

CARDIO, cardio, cardio.

Gymtime isn't happening fast enough today.

[DavenportESQ]

no gym for prob. the next week for me. I was feeling bad on friday, awful on saturday and like death on sunday. I went to the hospital today and I have pnuemonia. I weighed in at a slim 253. Going to attack the meds, and then start carbing up. The worst part about it is no smoking ( I might have to get a second opinion on that one)

[leasingthisspace]

Sorry to hear that. I hope you feel better very soon.

[icehog3]

Get better soon Dave, pnuemonia can be a *****. I would recommend heeding the Doc's advice about smoking....learn from my (bad) experience. ;)

Off to hit the gym after my surf through the Asylum.

[King James]

Off to hit the gym after my surf through the Asylum.

Do Work, Tom!

[The Professor]

Get better, Dave ... and listen to your docs and the Admiral. :tu

Hit back for an hour this morning. It was about the same as last week ... nothing to write home about.

[icehog3]

Get better, Dave ... and listen to your docs and the Admiral. :tu

Hit back for an hour this morning. It was about the same as last week ... nothing to write home about.

Hit chest today...I think my strength is in a low part of the cyclical nature of lifting, but I hit it hard from several different angles and still got a very good workout even though my strength wasn't optimal.

[DavenportESQ]

Hit chest today...I think my strength is in a low part of the cyclical nature of lifting, but I hit it hard from several different angles and still got a very good workout even though my strength wasn't optimal.

Your hormonal cycles could be off:r
I know that sounds funny, but usually every 3-4 weeks you hit a testosterone high, and the following week is a low.. Also, sometimes serious workouts can take up to a week for a full recovery. Sometimes on max effort days it can take 7-10 to feel back to "normal"

Fighting through it, and getting a good workout in will benefit you greatly

[icehog3]

Your hormonal cycles could be off:r
I know that sounds funny, but usually every 3-4 weeks you hit a testosterone high, and the following week is a low.. Also, sometimes serious workouts can take up to a week for a full recovery. Sometimes on max effort days it can take 7-10 to feel back to "normal"

Fighting through it, and getting a good workout in will benefit you greatly

I agree Dave...Strength is defintiely cyclical and no one is at their optimal strength day in and day out. I also adjust to the periods where my strength is a bit lower, and get in the best possible workout I can for conditions at that time.

[King James]

good chest workout today.

[icehog3]

good chest workout today.

It was OK, thanks. ;)

[King James]

Bench: 2 sets of 5 @ 315 then 3 sets of 8 @ 245
Power DB Chest Press 3 sets of 9 w/ 100 lb DB
DB Decline Bench 3 sets of 9 w/ 100 lb DB
Flys 3 sets of 8 w/ 70 lb DB

[Sancho]

cardio and upper body for me again today

Got in 15x50 curls twice before I had to drop the wieght due to my damn elbow, went down to a pair of 20x35 to finish my reps out. Any ideas about a good brace? Brands etc? Im nervous about them becasue I was told they tend to force you to favor your strong arm and it weakens the joint further while reducing pain...

Beside that did some tri's and bi's on machines

[DavenportESQ]

Sancho what happend to your elbow? That might enable someone to recommend a brace/specific exercise that could help strengthen it

[Sancho]

about 12 weeks or so ago I had a full dislocation of my left elbow. I'm out of the sling now but I still havent regained full range of motion, I used to be able to go 15* past full extension (i.e. double jointed) but i doubt i'll ever get that back again. Basically when lifting it tends to feel like a hard pressure on the joint especially doing curls. anytime I can use both hands I can compensate with my right arm and I wont stress it. Any ideas for excercises? The biggest thiny is the feeling makes me nervous Im going to dislocate again and it didnt feel so great the first time ;)

[DavenportESQ]

hmm...Thats a tough one, the only thing I could think of would be like reverse curls, with your palms down, hammer curls with your palms facing each other, and maybe some tricep work, like tri pulldowns. We have 1 guy on our team who torn his UCL last spring and had tommy john, he has a brace that he lifts in that allows only a certain range of motion, im not sure if its adjustable, but that might help protect it. I believe it is a don joy

[The Professor]

Hey folks. Hit the gym early this morning, as usual. No gains over last week ... same weight for everything except shrugs, which were a tad lower. That's fine given deads day on Sunday.

[icehog3]

Tore it up on back today....loaded 6 plates on the T-bar and hit 10 sets, starting with 16 reps, down to 6 reps by the 10th, with minimal rest. Then I hit a few sets of barbell rows, and some pulls ups....my back was so spent I could only get 9 pull-ups even on the first set. Still feel pumped, best back workout in a month. :)

[DavenportESQ]

6 plates! Awesome Job bro!

[icehog3]

6 plates! Awesome Job bro!

I use a somwehat condensed range of motion Dave, to keep constant tension on the lats, and avoid the possibility of hyperextending my lower back at the bottom....tore me up! :r

[DavenportESQ]

Impressed as ever big guy!

[The Professor]

Tore it up on back today....loaded 6 plates on the T-bar and hit 10 sets, starting with 16 reps, down to 6 reps by the 10th, with minimal rest. Then I hit a few sets of barbell rows, and some pulls ups....my back was so spent I could only get 9 pull-ups even on the first set. Still feel pumped, best back workout in a month. :)
Wow. Just wow. :tu

[King James]

squated again this week...last week was my first time in over 4 months probably. Worked up to 405 today. Did 2 sets of 5. Last week I just did sets of 8 up to 315. Getting back into it slowly to see how my back takes it.

[Genetic Defect]

squated again this week...last week was my first time in over 4 months probably. Worked up to 405 today. Did 2 sets of 5. Last week I just did sets of 8 up to 315. Getting back into it slowly to see how my back takes it.

always knew you were a squatter. ;)

scheduling my MRI tomorrow, hope Saturday morning is available.

[gettysburgfreak]

hmm...Thats a tough one, the only thing I could think of would be like reverse curls, with your palms down, hammer curls with your palms facing each other, and maybe some tricep work, like tri pulldowns. We have 1 guy on our team who torn his UCL last spring and had tommy john, he has a brace that he lifts in that allows only a certain range of motion, im not sure if its adjustable, but that might help protect it. I believe it is a don joy



Reverse curls are great. As a pitcher, we had to do those 3x a week, they really help with problems in your arm and elbow. You dont need to go high on the weight, keep it low.

[zemekone]

2 days ago i was gonna do 10 sets of 10 deadlifting 225lbs...

i did 7 sets, and sed fcuk! 30 more!?! so i strapped in and killed it for 30 :ze

today i squated 10 sets 10 @ 225...

[Sancho]

hmm...Thats a tough one, the only thing I could think of would be like reverse curls, with your palms down, hammer curls with your palms facing each other, and maybe some tricep work, like tri pulldowns. We have 1 guy on our team who torn his UCL last spring and had tommy john, he has a brace that he lifts in that allows only a certain range of motion, im not sure if its adjustable, but that might help protect it. I believe it is a don joy

Awesome call on the Hammer curls and the reverse curls, those worked out great tonight! No pain and a full series at 50lbs. Figured I'd give them a try even though I did upper body yesterday, ended with a good back workout although nothing as hard core as Hulk-Hog3

[DavenportESQ]

Gerry nice beast work session! You guys are making me feel like a lazy $%&* sitting around doing nothing. I felt so worthless, I took a shower and cleaned my room and was out of breath. Pneumonia Sucks ass

[DavenportESQ]

Awesome call on the Hammer curls and the reverse curls, those worked out great tonight! No pain and a full series at 50lbs. Figured I'd give them a try even though I did upper body yesterday, ended with a good back workout although nothing as hard core as Hulk-Hog3

Glad to help bro!

[King James]

white flood came in today...will use it first time tomorrow. How many scoops can I do? 2? 3?

[icehog3]

white flood came in today...will use it first time tomorrow. How many scoops can I do? 2? 3?

I do 2 at a minimum, and hit 4 on my heavy days...I would start with 2 at your size, Jim.

[The Professor]

:tpd:

yup -- start with the regular dose and you can play around with more later. the beta alanine really hits me in this stuff ... feels like a blanket of needles covering my face and sometimes my chest and/or back. that probably doesn't sound appealing; but it's awesome.

enjoy, James!

Just cardio for Dokk today.

[King James]

I would start with 2

sounds good, see how the stuff works.... Bigger test will be Friday as wednesdays I don't do too many lifts.

[Genetic Defect]

:tpd:

yup -- start with the regular dose and you can play around with more later. the beta alanine really hits me in this stuff ... feels like a blanket of needles covering my face and sometimes my chest and/or back. that probably doesn't sound appealing; but it's awesome.

enjoy, James!

Just cardio for Dokk today.

:tpd::D

[icehog3]

Looking forward to Jim's review of his first day on WF....

[Genetic Defect]

I think they spotted him in Ky:r

[King James]

I had a really good start. started w/ shoulder press on barbell and after warmup did 5 @ 205 and then another 5 @ 225. Did a few sets of 8 @ 185 and my shoulder started to hurt. Was really starting to hurt doing anything using shoulder so I decided to throw on ice and call it quits. I did 2 scoops today. I dunno how it worked, I felt good doing shoulder press, but if it is supposed to make you feel "pumped" or anything I didn't really get that today....at least not too severely. Maybe I should try 3 scoops?

[Genetic Defect]

I had a really good start. started w/ shoulder press on barbell and after warmup did 5 @ 205 and then another 5 @ 225. Did a few sets of 8 @ 185 and my shoulder started to hurt. Was really starting to hurt doing anything using shoulder so I decided to throw on ice and call it quits. I did 2 scoops today. I dunno how it worked, I felt good doing shoulder press, but if it is supposed to make you feel "pumped" or anything I didn't really get that today....at least not too severely. Maybe I should try 3 scoops?

3 scoops would be good, your around 300lbs right? but first take care of your shoulder. I don't get the tingling from it either I do from PW though:D

[DavenportESQ]

Do any of you guys do anything weird for recovery?

A good friend of mine was a world class athlete, and was always traveling. We'll he told me on one trip to Europe they gave him one of those night masks to sleep with. He said ever since then he wears one when he sleeps and believes he sleeps better, and in turn recovers faster and more effectively. He also sleeps with ear plugs!

Anyone else do stuff like this?

[The Professor]

Does popping an ambien count? :sleep:

:r

[King James]

3 scoops would be good, your around 300lbs right? but first take care of your shoulder. I don't get the tingling from it either I do from PW though:D

280-285 so yah pretty close. Maybe try 1-2 more days with only 2 scoops then bump it up

[Genetic Defect]

280-285 so yah pretty close. Maybe try 1-2 more days with only 2 scoops then bump it up

keep us posted :)

[Sanitariumite]

Good evening fellas. I was planning on hitting Back/Abs tonight, but after an awesome dinner of some extra hot Phad Thai, I'm not sure my digestive tract will be too happy with me if I go. I took some pepto a bout ten minutes ago, so I'm hoping it's all good within the next hour or so.

I'm down below 240lbs (238 now) for the first time in probably 5-6 years and I've never felt better. I ran a 9:15 mile on Monday, and that's a significant personal best (Especially considering the 14:00 miles I used to crank out in middle/high school). This whole gym/diet thing is really starting to pay off, and I'm really starting to see some changes.

A buddy of mine had the idea of taking a picture of myself in front of a mirror every Friday so I can see the changes from week to week, so tomorrow will be my second photo-op.

I'll probably end up hitting the weights regardless tonight, so I'm sure I'll be back soon.

[icehog3]

Good evening fellas. I was planning on hitting Back/Abs tonight, but after an awesome dinner of some extra hot Phad Thai, I'm not sure my digestive tract will be too happy with me if I go. I took some pepto a bout ten minutes ago, so I'm hoping it's all good within the next hour or so.

I'm down below 240lbs (238 now) for the first time in probably 5-6 years and I've never felt better. I ran a 9:15 mile on Monday, and that's a significant personal best (Especially considering the 14:00 miles I used to crank out in middle/high school). This whole gym/diet thing is really starting to pay off, and I'm really starting to see some changes.

A buddy of mine had the idea of taking a picture of myself in front of a mirror every Friday so I can see the changes from week to week, so tomorrow will be my second photo-op.

I'll probably end up hitting the weights regardless tonight, so I'm sure I'll be back soon.

Kick ass, Adam, great job! :tu

I usually eat hot Pad Thai before my hockey games, gices me a boatload of energy!

[The Professor]

It's probably a bad sign when my right shoulder won't let me do more than 6 reps of 90lb warmup bench presses without giving out, eh? :hn

I think I need to get in to the chiro finally. Something in my upper back has been out for a couple of weeks now and it's efing up my shoulder in the process.

Dokk no likey. :mad:

[Sailchaser]

Awesome call on the Hammer curls and the reverse curls, those worked out great tonight! No pain and a full series at 50lbs. Figured I'd give them a try even though I did upper body yesterday, ended with a good back workout although nothing as hard core as Hulk-Hog3

I thought you were doing 12oz beer curls with one arm and chruchill curls with the other at Robosto's Cigar lounge the other night:r

Week #2 for me doc just checked the hips and back and said I can up the weight another 20lbs, good news for me

[icehog3]

Bad news, Dokk....get better.

Good news, Chris...kick some arse.

[The Professor]

Bad news, Dokk....get better.

Good news, Chris...kick some arse.
Thanks. I've got my chiro appointment at 11am. :tu

[icehog3]

Thanks. I've got my chiro appointment at 11am. :tu

Hope it goes well. :)

[Sailchaser]

Thanks. I've got my chiro appointment at 11am. :tu

Good luck with the appointment
My doc is from the Palmer School of Chiro and has a spinalator roller table in his office that he lets me swing in and use at no charge to keep my reconstructed crap loose it's a miracle worker for me :2

[DavenportESQ]

Its all mental, you just got to tough it out! JK Feel better and good luck at the chiro

[zemekone]

finally been able to get to this thread...

another deadlift day today...

gonna go for a PR today...

[icehog3]

finally been able to get to this thread...

another deadlift day today...

gonna go for a PR today...

Kick some ass, Brother!!

Going to hit back today, don't know what lifts I will hit...I will play it by ear today.

[zemekone]

no PR yesterday :( back wasnt up to it...

leg day...

[icehog3]

no PR yesterday :( back wasnt up to it...

leg day...

Instinctive training....better that you go for the PRs on a day when all cylinders are firing. :tu

Off to hit legs as well....Have a good workout, Gerry. :)

[zemekone]

looks like dokk, you, and I are hitting legs today...

[icehog3]

looks like dokk, you, and I are hitting legs today...

Six legs are better than two! :D

[zemekone]

Six legs are better than two! :D

i think my thermogenic is kicking in... that really made me laff!

[The Professor]

looks like dokk, you, and I are hitting legs today...
I wasn't planning to hit legs today ... but maybe I should now. hmmmmmmmmm.

[The Professor]

session was cut short when, at the bottom of a squat, I heard my shorts rip. :r :r :r

I did manage to get in some good stiff-legged deads (worked up to and down from 300 even) and a couple sets of 225 squats. I planned to get in some more squats and some leg presses; but I was too embarrassed that I "smitdavi'd" in public. :r

[King James]

face was tingling on Friday.....did prolly 2 n 1/2 scoops. Maybe pump up to three this coming week

[icehog3]

session was cut short when, at the bottom of a squat, I heard my shorts rip. :r :r :r



If you were working out with Peter, your shorts might have not been the only thing "ripping" in the vicinity, Dokk. ;)

Felt lots of energy today after squats and hamstring curls, so I did some heavy seated militarys, seated dumbbell militarys and shrugs to cap off a good work out.

[King James]

upper body day today....maybe try 3 scoops of WF

[Padron42]

Just found this thread...I've just recently started hittin the gym again for the first time in a few years and man is it sad how weak i've gotten....I've got a few questions for you guys about NOxPlode and White Flood. Which do u guys recommend (they are both similar right) and is it alright to use them with creatine? Thanks guys...and I'll start conversating in here now that I'm back at it and I've found this.

[Genetic Defect]

Started changing my diet this week, cutting out the snack cakes and crap like that. working on that and walking daily again.

[longknocker]

Started changing my diet this week, cutting out the snack cakes and crap like that. working on that and walking daily again.

:ss Keep up the good work, Bro! At least walk every day!:ss

[Genetic Defect]

Does smoking a cigar while walking counter the walk?

[Darrell]

Does smoking a cigar while walking counter the walk?

Yes.

[Genetic Defect]

Yes.

not asking you :r

[King James]

took almost 3 scoops of WF the other day and still didn't get a huge pump before lifting. I'm lifting pretty heavy, but it isn't making me feel any different really.... dunno what the deal is? Maybe try a full 3 scoops on friday

[Genetic Defect]

maybe you need to have two weeks off of NO products?

[icehog3]

Just found this thread...I've just recently started hittin the gym again for the first time in a few years and man is it sad how weak i've gotten....I've got a few questions for you guys about NOxPlode and White Flood. Which do u guys recommend (they are both similar right) and is it alright to use them with creatine? Thanks guys...and I'll start conversating in here now that I'm back at it and I've found this.

I have used both extensively, and find I get better results with the White Flood. That being said, cycling different products from time to time might help your body from getting "used" to one of them.

[Sanitariumite]

I tried NOxplode for the first time 2 nights ago. I definitely felt a good energy kick for about 15 minutes, and then I felt like I do taking the 6-star muscle NO tabs right now, Nothing. WF kept me energized and ready to rock for 45-60 minutes if not longer when I used to take it. It didn't have the same energy that NOxplode does, which to me felt like a hyper energy, as opposed to WF's making me feel more awake/ready-to-go than hyper. Having tried them both, I'll be re-stocking with WF as soon as my paycheck allows.

[DavenportESQ]

I have to say I really like NO explode. I often have to do workouts that span the time of a couple of hours. I have never really felt the "pump" from any product (but I haven't tried WF) I think a lot of what you take should be decided what your goals are? The NO explode helped me take care of, and helped me raise energy for a lot of the major lifts I do, which are often preformed in the first 20-30 minutes of gym time for me. I also took this before doing many exercises not only related to lifting, this includes plyo's, sprinting, jumping and more importantly throwing. NO gave me an edge mentally where I felt a lot of other products gave me gittery energy

[icehog3]

I tried NOxplode for the first time 2 nights ago. I definitely felt a good energy kick for about 15 minutes, and then I felt like I do taking the 6-star muscle NO tabs right now, Nothing. WF kept me energized and ready to rock for 45-60 minutes if not longer when I used to take it. It didn't have the same energy that NOxplode does, which to me felt like a hyper energy, as opposed to WF's making me feel more awake/ready-to-go than hyper. Having tried them both, I'll be re-stocking with WF as soon as my paycheck allows.

So "thumbs down" for the Six Star NO? I was looking for something to try to when cycling from White Flood for a while, and a friend came across an ad for this. If is isn't working at all for you, I will save my money....let me know. :)

[Sanitariumite]

So "thumbs down" for the Six Star NO? I was looking for something to try to when cycling from White Flood for a while, and a friend came across an ad for this. If is isn't working at all for you, I will save my money....let me know. :)

The only thing I've ever really noticed from the Six-star NO Overdrive is that red rash you can get from taking too much NO. I tried 5 one time, and my arms were on fire for a good 30-45 minutes. On a good day I can see a visual difference in vascularity in my arms, but it's nothing like WF, or even NOxplode for that matter. Granted, this is the one that I have (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/six/stim.html), they have a NO Fury drink mix (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/six/nofury.html) that appears to be more in line with a NOxplode or WF. If it's the other one, I'd consider trying it, just because the pills that I have are lacking in the energy component so I'd be interested to see how the fuller supplement works.

[zemekone]

So "thumbs down" for the Six Star NO? I was looking for something to try to when cycling from White Flood for a while, and a friend came across an ad for this. If is isn't working at all for you, I will save my money....let me know. :)

6 star is Muscletech's generic line (walmart and target) pretty much the same formula as NaNoVapor...

tom go back to NoExplode and buy 1000mg tabs/caps if taurine...

the taurine is gonna repair your caffine and NO receptors...

wow i do know something...

[The Professor]

wow i do know something...

every once in a while you might. :rolleyes:

[King James]

long stressful week. Looking forward to three scoops of WF (hopefully get a rush today) and lifting everything in site. I think Dokk emailed all my professors to give me an especially hard week... I know you all have a cult of educators or something like that :)

[zemekone]

no creatine...

no NO...

no thermogenic...

got under 315 squat got it for 3

got under 375 got it for 1

got under 405... laid it on the rack...

ow well...

[icehog3]

they have a NO Fury drink mix (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/six/nofury.html) that appears to be more in line with a NOxplode or WF. If it's the other one, I'd consider trying it, just because the pills that I have are lacking in the energy component so I'd be interested to see how the fuller supplement works.

That was what I was looking at, the Fury....I would probably hold off on buying it now though unless someone I know tried it and had good results,,,Thanks! :)
6 star is Muscletech's generic line (walmart and target) pretty much the same formula as NaNoVapor...

tom go back to NoExplode and buy 1000mg tabs/caps if taurine...

the taurine is gonna repair your caffine and NO receptors...

wow i do know something...

I was thinking of doing the NO Explode again for a cycle, just thought I would see if anyone had a positive review of the NO Fury.

I will give the NoExplode and Taurine a try after my jug of WF is gone...thanks iGer! :)

[zemekone]

I will give the NoExplode and Taurine a try after my jug of WF is gone...thanks iGer! :)

iTry...

[icehog3]

iTry...

My new personal fitness guru! :D

[zemekone]

popped the drugs...

[Padron42]

just got some white flood. I'll try it out this evening with my workout. thanks for the suggestions

[icehog3]

Gerry, had any experience with Ultimate Nutrition Horse Power?

[Sanitariumite]

So I've decided that I'm craving pizza way too bad, and I don't feel like wasting a cheat meal on it. I've found a recipe for whole wheat pizza dough (http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Amazing-Whole-Wheat-Pizza-Crust/Detail.aspx) and I'll be using the thin-crust variation to feed my craving tonight. I've decided I'll be using ham (Either brown sugar, or honey cured), balsamic marinated cipolline onions, fresh fat-free mozzarella, and most likely fresh basil and/or sundried tomatoes. Can any of you think of anything else that would be good to throw on this? I'm trying to keep it low fat, even with the higher carbs, but I also want to make sure there's plenty of good protein on there. I will most definitely be posting back with my results...

[DavenportESQ]

Any of you guys have any experiance with Muscletechs. NaNo Vapor. I have used some of their products before (luekic) and really liked it. They do great job marketing their products, any ideas whether this is a good product, or hype?

[Sanitariumite]

Update 1: I'm letting the dough rise for the second time, and it's starting to look really good... I picked up the balsamic cipolline onions, mozzarella rolled up with sundried tomatoes (Only .5g less fat than the regular mozzerella so I figured I might as well enjoy it), about a quarter pound of honey-ham, a few paper thin sliced of prosciutto, some Italian turkey sausage, fresh cremini mushrooms, and a small bunch of fresh basil. I've got everything cut up and now I'm just waiting for the dough to finish it's second proof in about 35 minutes, and then it's 15 min in the oven until dinner. It feels good to cook again. I rarely have time to do it between school, work, and the gym.

[icehog3]

Gerry, had any experience with Ultimate Nutrition Horse Power?

Still wondering about this, and also whether I should take Taurine pre or post workout, Gerry. :)

Update 1: I'm letting the dough rise for the second time, and it's starting to look really good... I picked up the balsamic cipolline onions, mozzarella rolled up with sundried tomatoes (Only .5g less fat than the regular mozzerella so I figured I might as well enjoy it), about a quarter pound of honey-ham, a few paper thin sliced of prosciutto, some Italian turkey sausage, fresh cremini mushrooms, and a small bunch of fresh basil. I've got everything cut up and now I'm just waiting for the dough to finish it's second proof in about 35 minutes, and then it's 15 min in the oven until dinner. It feels good to cook again. I rarely have time to do it between school, work, and the gym.

How did it turn out? :D

[Sanitariumite]

How did it turn out? :D
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w229/sanitariumite/Pizza.jpg

It was fantastic. The dough wasn't quite fully cooked in the middle, but I also think it may have been a little overtopped, and I don't have a pizza stone, so that also adds complications in cooking time. I think next time I'll take it down to 400 degrees for 20-25 minutes instead of the 16-20 at 425 the instructions gave me. I think next time I'll also forgo the prosciutto (Delicious, but a bit too much salt/fat than I really want right now) and instead use some roasted red peppers, or something else that would be similarly sweet. I'll probably also use less toppings in general. It still would've been good without the Cremini mushrooms and olives, and it probably would've cooked better as well. I spent about $35-40 on ingredients, but that also included the cost of flour, yeast, dried oregano, a jar of roasted garlic, and sun dried tomatoes, so I really only spent about $15-20 on the cost of ingredients for one 14" pizza, and now I've got the base materials to make the dough 7-8 more times, if not even more than that. IMO, it was Well worth it for a pizza you're not going to find at Domino's, and much healthier as well. I was going to have a 2 pieces before the gym, 2 after, and leave one for each of the roommates, but I ended up eating 6 of 8 pieces for dinner, and I'm gonna call this a night off... Tomorrow's shoulders and tris though!


On a side-note, my phone camera makes this pizza look like an oil painting.

[The Professor]

Back to lifting today -- decided to start back on a West Side-ish routine, again. Speed legs today: 10 x 2 box squat below parallel at 225 (it was actually 4 x 3, 4 x 2; but it's same reps at 10 x 2). Also did 3 x 10 pullthroughs @ 200, 4 x 12-15 cable rope crunches @ 200, 3 x 6 db rows @ 90, and 3 x 10 shrugs @ 225 (light because my right shoulder was bothering me). I soooo hadn't eaten for this yesterday. :r

Off to the witch doctor in a bit for another adjustment. I fear this will become a weekly activity, which may not be bad ... it's just another expense to which I was not looking forward. :hn

Placed a new order for protein yesterday. Decided to get some ON Pro Complex for PWO shakes, finally (rocky road, of course) and some vanilla 100% whey for the versatility (i.e., mixing into oatmeal, adding to a Blizzard ... you know, the usual :r).

I need to get back on a regular clean eating routine, too. I'm also thinking about going into the gym twice a day -- cardio in the morning and lifting at night. Pretty sure Dr. MRS would kill me if I started; but that might have to be an acceptable risk. :p

OK ... I'm done rambling. :r :D :ze

[icehog3]

Good luck at the witch doc, Dokk! :D

Off to hit the gym shortly, I am taking Wed and Thur off due to training at work, so I will try to hit it hard today and tomorrow.

Gerry....you're slacking in the advice column, Bro. ;) :r

[DavenportESQ]

Glad to see everyones doing well.

I went back to the gym today, speed benching, db incline and a series of different types of pull ups. (wide grip overhand, close grip underhand etc.)

Dokk when I do two a days my appetite goes through the roof. Usually about 8000 cal and I shoot for 300+grams of protein. If you are going to do this I suggest varying your cardio in the mornings so its not just running, I would add biking, swimming if possible, eliptical, and rowing. I think Running everyday plus lifting is too much high impact activity on the body

[The Professor]

Oh Dave ... I don't run unless I'm being chased. :r :r :r

Thanks for the suggestions!

[King James]

big chest day today. Maybe take 2 scoops of white flood and 1 jet fuel pill from Al. Shouldn't be too much

[DavenportESQ]

big chest day today. Maybe take 2 scoops of white flood and 1 jet fuel pill from Al. Shouldn't be too much

Good luck jim! Can't wait to hear how it goes

[icehog3]

Hi Gerry doesn't start answering my questions I am taking his name off the thread title. :mad:

[The Professor]

Hi Gerry doesn't start answering my questions I am taking his name off the thread title. :mad:
Seriously, Admiral ... he's really shirking his responsibility. :dance: <----- (Gerry shirking)

[icehog3]

Seriously, Admiral ... he's really shirking his responsibility. :dance: <----- (Gerry shirking)

Yup...and I am ready to :pn in his general direction. :r

[Genetic Defect]

Gerry?

[The Professor]

Yup...and I am ready to :pn in his general direction. :r
no disrespect intended to you, Admiral ... but get pnoon to do it. :D :tu

[Padron42]

Just got in from the gym today....I'm only about a week and a half into working out again but my god it's fun. I don't know why I stopped for so long. Oh well. And I'm lovin this WF...thanks for the suggestions, today i finished my workout but still felt like working out so i did some extra abs.

[zemekone]

Gerry, had any experience with Ultimate Nutrition Horse Power?

horse power is the worst tasting NO/Creatine combo... i had samples from the company and both flavors suck!:confused:

[Genetic Defect]

I'll stick with WF and GM ;)

[icehog3]

horse power is the worst tasting NO/Creatine combo... i had samples from the company and both flavors suck!:confused:

I was told the flavor was awful, but that the results were good by someone at my gym. I would deal with the taste if it worked like WF.

Thanks Bro! Now, do I take the Taurine pre or post workout? :D

[Genetic Defect]

I was told the flavor was awful, but that the results were good by someone at my gym. I would deal with the taste if it worked like WF.

Thanks Bro! Now, do I take the Taurine pre or post workout? :D

both. ;)

as for taste that reminds me of VPX NO Shotgun tasted like regurgitated apple pie but the results at the gym were great.

[DavenportESQ]

worked up to 8 sets of 315x2 at 1.23 m/s. Feeling pretty squirrely!!!! Finished up with some Glute ham raises, and some Single leg squats

[The Professor]

worked up to 8 sets of 315x2 at 1.23 m/s. Feeling pretty squirrely!!!! Finished up with some Glute ham raises, and some Single leg squats
Sounds good, bro.

I, on the other hand, am a broken little unicorn. :( Once the popping in my right shoulder went away, I did 5 x 5 on the clock on flat bench. Skull crushers were fine. Went to do standing overhead presses and my right shoulder was a mess on rep one. Oy. Went and did some tricep pressdowns and called it a day.

I really need to figure out this shoulder thing. So here's my question to you sporty folks:

How would I go about finding a good sports doctor who (a) can effectively diagnose my problem and (b) will understand that I won't give up lifting in the long-run???

[zemekone]

How would I go about finding a good sports doctor who (a) can effectively diagnose my problem and (b) will understand that I won't give up lifting in the long-run???

ask one of the PTs at the Athletics Department or Decca... :D

[The Professor]

ask one of the PTs at the Athletics Department or Decca... :D
Mmmmmm ... Decca :dr :ze :r

[icehog3]

Mmmmmm ... Decca :dr :ze :r

Oh, to be 20 years old again. :r

[The Professor]

Oh, to be 20 years old again. :r
I wish I started lifting 10-15 years ago, Admiral....

[icehog3]

I wish I started lifting 10-15 years ago, Admiral....

I was it was 15 years ago, Dokk! :r

[Genetic Defect]

Sounds good, bro.

I, on the other hand, am a broken little unicorn. :( Once the popping in my right shoulder went away, I did 5 x 5 on the clock on flat bench. Skull crushers were fine. Went to do standing overhead presses and my right shoulder was a mess on rep one. Oy. Went and did some tricep pressdowns and called it a day.

I really need to figure out this shoulder thing. So here's my question to you sporty folks:

How would I go about finding a good sports doctor who (a) can effectively diagnose my problem and (b) will understand that I won't give up lifting in the long-run???

if it is your RC try Cuban presses or Cuban roatations and use a light weight.

[The Professor]

I was it was 15 years ago, Dokk! :r
you're an "it" ... I'll give you that. :r :D

[The Professor]

if it is your RC try Cuban presses or Cuban roatations and use a light weight.
I tried some last night with a PLPC: lifts, presses, clips, lights. hydrated/dehydrated with rum.

oh wait ... I have a feeling that's not what you're talking about. :dance:

[icehog3]

Did a chest workout today consisting of nothing but weighted dips...got quite the pump. Now I will liikely take 2 days off before hitting the weights again Friday.

[Genetic Defect]

I tried some last night with a PLPC: lifts, presses, clips, lights. hydrated/dehydrated with rum.

oh wait ... I have a feeling that's not what you're talking about. :dance:

:r snmart arse:fu

Cuban Press (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exercises.php?Name=Cuban+Press)

Article on Cuban rotations (http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/strong_and_healthy_shoulders&cr=)

[The Professor]

Thanks for that second link, P-dogg. I think I'll start working some of those exercises in once or twice a week as PT. I like that I could do them traveling with something in my hotel room, too. :)

[Genetic Defect]

yer welcome Dokk, just remember keep it light :tu

[The Professor]

yer welcome Dokk, just remember keep it light :tu
I will do no such thing! :tg ;)

[King James]

2 scoops WF and 2 jet fuel pills today and didn't do a damn thing for me. Thinking about taking 2 weeks off of taking anything and see if that helps. Starting to piss me off

[Genetic Defect]

I will do no such thing! :tg ;)
:D only on the Cuban lifts the others the sky is the limit :tu
2 scoops WF and 2 jet fuel pills today and didn't do a damn thing for me. Thinking about taking 2 weeks off of taking anything and see if that helps. Starting to piss me off

before you do that try 4 scoops I'm curious to see what it does for you, and scrap the jet fuel (whatever that is)

[The Professor]

2 scoops WF and 2 jet fuel pills today and didn't do a damn thing for me. Thinking about taking 2 weeks off of taking anything and see if that helps. Starting to piss me off
sounds like you need to reset your caffeine clock. isn't it Taurine that does that?

[Genetic Defect]

sounds like you need to reset your caffeine clock. isn't it Taurine that does that?

does what? (really am curious)

Mayo Clinic page with info on Taurine (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/taurine/AN01856)

[The Professor]

does what? (really am curious)

Mayo Clinic page with info on Taurine (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/taurine/AN01856)
don't ask me. ask Gerry.... :)

[Genetic Defect]

don't ask me. ask Gerry.... :)

I would but he ignores me.

[zemekone]

I would but he ignores me.

taurine helps clean you the body's cell receptors to caffine...

[King James]

well i dunno what to do. I've been lifting fairly well...but no pump from WF or the combo of WF and jet fuel today. Maybe just need to lay off and cycle for a bit

[Genetic Defect]

taurine helps clean you the body's cell receptors to caffine...

thanks Gerry, A hidden (to me) bonus to taurine :)

[beamish]

maybe one of you gym rats can help me,my question is what do you find the best way to blast your biceps,I do dumbell curls cable curls,strait bar curls but just cant seem to get the pump i am looking for. the opposite is true for tri's as I can pump them into oblivion,any advice is appreciated...

[The Professor]

maybe one of you gym rats can help me,my question is what do you find the best way to blast your biceps,I do dumbell curls cable curls,strait bar curls but just cant seem to get the pump i am looking for. the opposite is true for tri's as I can pump them into oblivion,any advice is appreciated...
I don't have an answer for you; but this reminds me of my favorite weightlifting quotation. In an interview, Ed Coan was asked, "YOU DON'T TRAIN MUSCLES LIKE BICEPS?"

And his response was, "Nope, biceps are like ornaments on a xmas tree." :r

[DavenportESQ]

maybe one of you gym rats can help me,my question is what do you find the best way to blast your biceps,I do dumbell curls cable curls,strait bar curls but just cant seem to get the pump i am looking for. the opposite is true for tri's as I can pump them into oblivion,any advice is appreciated...


I dont train biceps that often, but when I do I only superset stuff together. I get extreme pump. This is good because I can spend more time on the muscles that count!:r

[The Professor]

I dont train biceps that often, but when I do I only superset stuff together. I get extreme pump. This is good because I can spend more time on the muscles that count!:r
:r :r :r

:ze :ze