Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3

[Sanitariumite]

maybe one of you gym rats can help me,my question is what do you find the best way to blast your biceps,I do dumbell curls cable curls,strait bar curls but just cant seem to get the pump i am looking for. the opposite is true for tri's as I can pump them into oblivion,any advice is appreciated...


I'd try negative reps. Get on the preacher curl machine, and do single-arm negative curls. When you get to the bottom, use both arms to bring the weight back up. It should only take 3-5 reps per arm.

[King James]

I thought you are supposed to train bis every day and then look in the mirror and flex after each set?

I also only superset when I do bis

[zemekone]

Any of you guys have any experiance with Muscletechs. NaNo Vapor. I have used some of their products before (luekic) and really liked it. They do great job marketing their products, any ideas whether this is a good product, or hype?
All hype, but it taste good and has cool packageing...

2 scoops WF and 2 jet fuel pills today and didn't do a damn thing for me. Thinking about taking 2 weeks off of taking anything and see if that helps. Starting to piss me off

Time to go cold turkey on all forms of caffine and 2-3 grams of taurine spread out through out the day

maybe one of you gym rats can help me,my question is what do you find the best way to blast your biceps,I do dumbell curls cable curls,strait bar curls but just cant seem to get the pump i am looking for. the
opposite is true for tri's as I can pump them into oblivion,any advice is appreciated...
Try doing chin ups without using your back...

[The Professor]

I thought you are supposed to train bis every day and then look in the mirror and flex after each set?

I also only superset when I do bis
Funniest thing I've seen in the gym in a while was a couple of guys -- good friends (you could tell) working out together. They were doing only bicep workouts ... all on the preacher bench ... all with a cambered curl bar. They were *soooo into* those reps (with 65lbs total, including the bar), they just kept shouting at one another "light weight," "one more," "just a peanut." It was all in front of a mirror. All I could do to stop myself from laughing was to push through extra reps of stiff-legged deads until I couldn't stand. :r




**not that there's anything wrong with working biceps; but it was the totality of that scene (and their repeated quotation of Ronnie Coleman in a manner not accurately reflecting the irony of Ronnie's original utterances) that cracked my ass up.

[DavenportESQ]

I like to refer to them as beach muscles, curls for the gurls etc...I know plenty of guys who look better than I do with a shirt off, but they are all show no go...For what I am doing now I am much more focused on being able to use functional strength

Just depends on what your goals are

[The Professor]

I like to refer to them as beach muscles, curls for the gurls etc...I know plenty of guys who look better than I do with a shirt off, but they are all show no go...For what I am doing now I am much more focused on being able to use functional strength

Just depends on what your goals are

True dat.

[zemekone]

I like to refer to them as beach muscles, curls for the gurls etc...I know plenty of guys who look better than I do with a shirt off, but they are all show no go...For what I am doing now I am much more focused on being able to use functional strength
Just depends on what your goals are

I guess I'm just a diffrent animal, cuz I'm pretty and strong, not davenport strong, but good enuff for a scrawney 155 pound guy :r

[DavenportESQ]

Your right Gerry you are one of a kind! Combining strength and sex appeal!!!!

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/dz1454/skinny4.jpg

[King James]

I love ronnie colemanisms haha

[The Professor]

Your right Gerry you are one of a kind! Combining strength and sex appeal!!!!

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r193/dz1454/skinny4.jpg
That's cold, Brother. Funny; but cold. :r :r :r

[padronme]

maybe one of you gym rats can help me,my question is what do you find the best way to blast your biceps,I do dumbell curls cable curls,strait bar curls but just cant seem to get the pump i am looking for. the opposite is true for tri's as I can pump them into oblivion,any advice is appreciated...

Try lowering the weight and really concentrating on squeezing the biceps.

[DavenportESQ]

That's cold, Brother. Funny; but cold. :r :r :r


All out of love!!!

[The Professor]

All out of love!!!
I'd already forgotten that you posted the pic and I'm laughing all over again. :r :r :r

[icehog3]

I have always been lucky that I can just look at my biceps and they grow. If only all the muscle groups were as cooperative. ;)

[DavenportESQ]

I have always been lucky that I can just look at my biceps and they grow. If only all the muscle groups were as cooperative. ;)

Tom your getting old, I bet if you got some viagra one muscle might cooperate!:ss

But then again you don't need any more help stealing all the ladies from me when we go out:r

[DavenportESQ]

maybe one of you gym rats can help me,my question is what do you find the best way to blast your biceps,I do dumbell curls cable curls,strait bar curls but just cant seem to get the pump i am looking for. the opposite is true for tri's as I can pump them into oblivion,any advice is appreciated...

On a serious note you could try slowing things down and really focus on the range of motion and feeling tension between the whole exercise

[The Professor]

Took the day off from lifting ... just cardio in the morning. Back hitting the iron tomorrow. Gonna try some new exercises and test out what works and what hurts. Need to be sure to get some good lifting in before next week (when I travel for a week+).

Word.

[zemekone]

Took the day off from lifting ... just cardio in the morning. Back hitting the iron tomorrow. Gonna try some new exercises and test out what works and what hurts. Need to be sure to get some good lifting in before next week (when I travel for a week+).

Word.
Didn't I wash my hands from this?

Did shoulders today...

I love 110lbs dumbells!

[Genetic Defect]

Didn't I wash my hands from this?

Did shoulders today...

I love 110lbs dumbells!

what about 330lbs dumbells?

[The Professor]

Let it be known that Gerry instructed me to take a month off from any upper body lifting or lifting that implicated the upper body (i.e., deadlifts). In response to my reticence to follow such instruction, Gerry has washed his hands of any decision that does not conform to said instruction.

There.

[Genetic Defect]

Let it be known that Gerry instructed me to take a month off from any upper body lifting or lifting that implicated the upper body (i.e., deadlifts). In response to my reticence to follow such instruction, Gerry has washed his hands of any decision that does not conform to said instruction.

There.

:r I still wont do DL

[The Professor]

:r I still wont do DL
DL = my favorite lift. :)

[Genetic Defect]

DL = my favorite lift. :)

sorry to hear that :hm:r:D

[DavenportESQ]

I like Gerrys opinion, but I think you need to find out what hurts and what doesnt..This will help find out what you can do to make the shoulder better

[The Professor]

I like Gerrys opinion, but I think you need to find out what hurts and what doesnt..This will help find out what you can do to make the shoulder better
That is almost exactly what I told him on the phone today. I'll be taking two weeks off for business travel and thanksgiving, btw.

[zemekone]

what about 330lbs dumbells?
dude darrel isnt 330lbs hes only 230lbs! see Dokk i got your back :r

I like Gerrys opinion, but I think you need to find out what hurts and what doesnt..This will help find out what you can do to make the shoulder better

see!

[DavenportESQ]

This video is for all you deadlifters out their

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL3bmtMVpv4&NR=1

[zemekone]

This video is for all you deadlifters out their

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL3bmtMVpv4&NR=1

thanks dave! effing sick!

[The Professor]

This video is for all you deadlifters out their

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL3bmtMVpv4&NR=1
that's exactly what I wanted to see this morning. :) :ze

[The Professor]

Fine session. Did some shoulder rehab exercises and fooled around with different movements to see what hurt and what didn't. Turns out that even after a warmup, the right shoulder pops 1/2 way down on a flat bench press. Any kind of rotation (i.e., arm bent at elbow with forearm 90 degrees to my chest) going from front to up (e.g., with a Cuban rotation) hurts.

Deadlifts felt nice today, though. :) That stretch on my shoulder doesn't feel bad at all. In fact, it feels a little good. Now, if I tried to shrug it at the top, then I'd be in some trouble.

Today is my first day trying ON Pro Complex, too, FWIW.

Have a good lifting day, folks!!!!! :ze

[DavenportESQ]

Have a good lifting day, folks!!!!! :ze

Thanks D. Hope the deadlift video gave you a little mojo.

Seems like in my absence from lifting some of the youngin's thought they had gotten strong. Had to reclaim my status as king. Worked up to 340x3 in the Power Clean. :D

Everything else was good, but thats was the highlight:ss

[The Professor]

Thanks D. Hope the deadlift video gave you a little mojo.

Seems like in my absence from lifting some of the youngin's thought they had gotten strong. Had to reclaim my status as king. Worked up to 340x3 in the Power Clean. :D

Everything else was good, but thats was the highlight:ss
You're a monster ... in a good way. :D

[The Professor]

Started with a couple circuits of light, good form rotator rehab exercises. 4 exercises (2 lying, 2 standing), 8-10 reps each, 2 times through the circuit. Felt some lactic acid release ("burn"); but both shoulders feel fine.

Followed that up with a new (to me) leg exercise: dip belt squats. This comes courtesy DavenportESQ. Put two boxes or benches side-by-side with maybe 8-10 inches between them. Grab a dip belt. Put an appropriate amount of weight on the dip belt, get on top of the boxes, and squat. I had to put my hands between the chains and my groin because the chain was really digging in a bad way. Ended up doing 4 sets (or was it 5?) of 10-15 with 2 45s loaded on ... and got the best quad pump that I've had in a while. This really is a great exercise to load up the legs and not your back or shoulders. You can really focus on getting down below parallel and getting up with explosive force. Be careful for your balance, though -- the weights can swing a little if you get sloppy and when they swing, they can make your grip on a vertical reality tenuous. ;) (No; I did not fall.)

Perhaps Mr. ESQ can explain the biomechanics & benefits of it a little better than me. :ze

[King James]

lifting today without taking anything....see how it goes!

[The Professor]

lifting today without taking anything....see how it goes!
just have someone ruff u up in the gym. :D

wait ... that might sound odd. :dance:

[DavenportESQ]

Perhaps Mr. ESQ can explain the biomechanics & benefits of it a little better than me. :ze

haha thanks for the props!:dance: These are just a cool different exercise. We use em in the late part of season. Its cool because you can get a good leg workout without loading your back. Its basically just a variation of squats which puts the weight in a different position then you. Very similar to Front squats or Zercher. I feel a huge pump in my quads in these as well, compared to when I backsquat.

Had a pretty big beastwork session today. Again max out effort day. Worked up to 240x3 in the power snatch (I love snatch) Then I had a huge PR in the front squat.

225x5 275x3 315x1 365x1 405x1 455x1 I did all of these no wraps or belt. I figured I would shoot for the moon. Plus there were some good looking cheerleaders around so I showed off a bit. I belted up and got some guys to spot me so I was feeling good. Went under 500 and totally crushed it. Good depth really good technique. I felt I could have gone heavier but didn't want to push the threshold at 7 am.

Interestingly enough I felt my attempt at 500 was better at 455, and 400. I contribute this to not using a belt for anything except max effort lifts like this. When I hit the bottom I was really able to push my stomach out against the belt and explode to the top. I was really geeked

I followed it up with breakfast buffet and about a 4 hr nap.

[King James]

Nice workout ^^^ . I got shoulders/back today... maybe throw in some Biceps, just for you... haha

[DavenportESQ]

maybe throw in some Biceps, just for you... haha

Dude your a big ugly like me! If I were you I would do whatever makes the queen happy:ss

[The Professor]

When I grow up, I want mornings like DESQ's. :D :ze :dance: :dr :sleep:

Looks like I'm gonna get another deadlift day tomorrow. Told one of Dr. MRS's colleagues (who happens to be a friend, too) that she needed to deadlift the happy back into her. So I'm meeting her at the gym in the morning. Gonna eat like I wanna deadlift tomorrow ... gonna go for a PR of some sort. ;)

I need to go eat something again....

[King James]

I've been afraid to do power lifts again because of my back...... am jealous

[The Professor]

I've been afraid to do power lifts again because of my back...... am jealous
I'm afraid of bench presses because of my shoulder. I'll do an extra rep for you if you do one for me. :)

[icehog3]

Killer workout Dave! :tu Truly awesome lift on that front squat!

[kjd2121]

Hey guys. First post at the new site.

Started the Starting Strength by Rippetoe program about 4 weeks ago. 47 year old man, did I say old, good!!! I haven't lifted for over 20 years so I'm starting light. I hope to keep adding 5 lbs to each of my compound lifts at each workout. It's damn hard to do, but the gains I've seen are awesome. Eating right is the key here and mucho rest.

Keep lifting heavy.:ss

[icehog3]

Hey guys. First post at the new site.

Started the Starting Strength by Rippetoe program about 4 weeks ago. 47 year old man, did I say old, good!!! I haven't lifted for over 20 years so I'm starting light. I hope to keep adding 5 lbs to each of my compound lifts at each workout. It's damn hard to do, but the gains I've seen are awesome. Eating right is the key here and mucho rest.

Keep lifting heavy.:ss

Congrats on the quick progress, from one "old man" to another. :tu

[DavenportESQ]

I've been afraid to do power lifts again because of my back...... am jealous

Start light and focus on technique. If you do things correctly you should be able to build enough of a base that you can start building armor to protect yourself from injurys

[DavenportESQ]

When I grow up, I want mornings like DESQ's. :D :ze :dance: :dr :sleep:

When I grow up I want to have smokes like you!:ss:r

I have to say I have been blessed with genes that allow me to get stupidly strong fast. But ask anyone I have ever worked out with. When I am in the gym its all business. You would be hard pressed to find someone that works out more intensely.

I say intensely because in my old age I have found out that its much more important to train smarter, not harder. I work with my body not against it. If I am feeling slow and lathargic I dont try and do speed pulls. When I am feeling explosive I don't try and go for heavy 1 rep maxes. When I feel out of this world good I can do crazy crap...

All that being said everyone has to remember that lifting is 95% mental. Its all about your mind set. I really am a believer in this. There are many times I have lifted things I shouldn't have, or had pr's when I wasn't "ready". I believed in myself (sounds corny I know) And I just knew nothing would stop me from doing that. I have the attitude that I get to lift today, and I get the opportunity to get stronger, not that "oh I have to go to the gym today" and thats half the battle...:2

[Genetic Defect]

When I grow up I want to have smokes like you!:ss:r

I have to say I have been blessed with genes that allow me to get stupidly strong fast. But ask anyone I have ever worked out with. When I am in the gym its all business. You would be hard pressed to find someone that works out more intensely.

I say intensely because in my old age I have found out that its much more important to train smarter, not harder. I work with my body not against it. If I am feeling slow and lathargic I dont try and do speed pulls. When I am feeling explosive I don't try and go for heavy 1 rep maxes. When I feel out of this world good I can do crazy crap...

All that being said everyone has to remember that lifting is 95% mental. Its all about your mind set. I really am a believer in this. There are many times I have lifted things I shouldn't have, or had pr's when I wasn't "ready". I believed in myself (sounds corny I know) And I just knew nothing would stop me from doing that. I have the attitude that I get to lift today, and I get the opportunity to get stronger, not that "oh I have to go to the gym today" and thats half the battle...:2

that advice is golden :)

[icehog3]

that advice is golden :)

It absolutely is. If I had learned to train in my 20s the way I have learned to train the last several years (some describe it as "instinctive training), no guess how much farther I could have been by now.

[The Professor]

Did about a half hour to 40 minutes of rotator cuff rehab this morning. Tried a couple of new exercises. They're feeling more natural already. It think this is the beginning of a beautiful relationship. ;) :r

Followed it up with some deadlifting. Yeah ... I know I just deadlifted the other day; but they make me smile and I told a friend I'd help her with them. Didn't belt up until 365, which I did for two -- a PR on reps. Thought about going for 405 but decided against it. Finished off with a couple of sets of 225 stiff-legged deads for good measure. It was a pleasing morning ... and now I could use a LOT of protein. :dr

[DavenportESQ]

Dokk good to hear the shoulder is doing better. Its going to repair very fast, I think you should still stick to your plan of not pressing for a month or so. Congrats on the PR!

[The Professor]

Dokk good to hear the shoulder is doing better. Its going to repair very fast, I think you should still stick to your plan of not pressing for a month or so. Congrats on the PR!
Thanks. I will stick to that plan. I did those shoulder dips today ... that was interesting. Didn't hurt; but all of these shoulder exercises are f'in hard! :r

When I get back, I'm gonna do only dumbbell and barbell chest -- no more machines or smith because I think part of the problem has been a constrained range of motion, forcing my shoulders into movements that aren't natural for my body. That's my hypothesis. ;)

Off to eat and maybe watch some football.



PS, I regret not going for 405 sans straps today. In retrospect, I think I could have done it. Heck ... I'm pretty sure with a slight grip reset I could have done 365. Things were clicking. Oh well.

[icehog3]

Congrats Dokk, although you need not second guess yourself now on the 405..."instinctive training", something told you to wait on that one.

Did a rep day on back today....5 plates on T-bars, got 25 reps the first set and kept doing sets until I could only get 10. Then put 265 on the straight bar for reps on rows, then on to pull-ups, and ended with some close grip cable rows. Tore it up and still left enough juice for the ice.

[Genetic Defect]

forgot to post this, but yesterday I put in four scoops of WF in my canteen for work, kept me buzzing for the whole day finally after midnight I got tired.

[Sanitariumite]

Heading in soon to hit back/abs. It's been a few days. I've got a constantly changing work schedule, so it's hard to find a time where I can constantly go. I either have to go between class and work some time between 2 and 5, or after work some time between 10-11. It's making it really tough to go consistently. I'm going to get some running shoes next weekend though, so I'll be able to start running every morning and I'll get my cardio in every day, even if I can't make it to the gym. Plus, that will cut 15-30 minutes off every trip to the gym, making it easier to fit in to my already overcomplicated schedule.

[DavenportESQ]

Heading in soon to hit back/abs. It's been a few days. I've got a constantly changing work schedule, so it's hard to find a time where I can constantly go. I either have to go between class and work some time between 2 and 5, or after work some time between 10-11. It's making it really tough to go consistently. I'm going to get some running shoes next weekend though, so I'll be able to start running every morning and I'll get my cardio in every day, even if I can't make it to the gym. Plus, that will cut 15-30 minutes off every trip to the gym, making it easier to fit in to my already overcomplicated schedule.


Look into a little bit of the "crossfit" style training. This is something thats great for people with a busy schedule. It involves more reps, less rest. These workouts require a great deal of fitness, but once you get yourself into shape they will allow you to get a good workout in 15-25 minutes. Perfect for those on the go

[The Professor]

Look into a little bit of the "crossfit" style training. This is something thats great for people with a busy schedule. It involves more reps, less rest. These workouts require a great deal of fitness, but once you get yourself into shape they will allow you to get a good workout in 15-25 minutes. Perfect for those on the go
Cardio this morning for a half hour. Then I did two hours of leaf raking. :hn

That's shoulder rehab, right? :r Actually, the movement was pretty similar to a couple of the rotator cuff exercises I been doing. I don't hurt (good sign number one) and I actually feel a little looser than usual (good sign number two). Could it be that raking leaves is actually GOOD for me?!? :hm

Eff that. It sucked. :r :r :r

Tomorrow is my last day in the gym for a week. I'll be traveling; but I'll probably have cardio equipment in my hotel in San Diego. My legs could use a rest after the last few days, too. I'll get one or two day of leg & back work before traveling again for Thanksgiving. Oy. I hate being away from my gym for this long.

Lift well, Brothers! :ze

[cvm4]

Glad to see this thread again :D

[icehog3]

Went to the gym slightly hungover from Guinness and depleted from skating, but still managed to have a kick-azz shoulder and arm workout. Tomorrow is an off day from the gym, I could use a day of rest.

[zemekone]

someone told me to get a bigger squat, you have to squat:

today i squatted

135x15
185x12
205x10
225x8
225x20

then walked down stairs to the bathroom and :pu

i still dont feel right...

this is to that person who sed: to get a bigger squat you have to squat :fu and when i squat 4 times my body weight YES ill send you a davi! :D

[Genetic Defect]

someone told me to get a bigger squat, you have to squat:

today i squatted

135x15
185x12
205x10
225x8
225x20

then walked down stairs to the bathroom and :pu

i still dont feel right...

this is to that person who sed: to get a bigger squat you have to squat :fu and when i squat 4 times my body weight YES ill send you a davi! :D

4 times would be 450 right? If you hit 400 you can send me a cigar too :r

[DavenportESQ]

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/orm.htm

Awfully Close Gerry. Good work. I like how you got after it on your last set. Was this a PR?

[zemekone]

Was this a PR?
225 for 20 i think so...

[markem]

i still dont feel right...



That's crazy, Gerry! You should have some cranberry juice :r

[zemekone]

That's crazy, Gerry! You should have some cranberry juice :r

:r i am!

[Sanitariumite]

What do you guys use for creatine? I'm using Green Mag, and I'm happy with it, but I also really don't have anything to compare with. It doesn't taste bad, but I'd much rather take a few pills, than have 3-4 different drinks before I lift (Currently at protein/glutamine, WF once I re-stock, and Green Mag), and I've been hearing recently that mono is just as effective. I've also heard that Green Mag is more easily absorbed, so you get more out of it. Any input from the more seasoned gym rats?

I'm also wondering if ON's NO supp. is any good. I'm in need of more NO, and I was dead set on CL's WF until yesterday, reading this month's Muscle & Fitness. I noticed that ON has a NO supplement now, called N.O. Vassive (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/vass.html), and I'm curious to try it. Does anybody have any experience with this? For $27 I'm quite tempted to try it out for a month.

[zemekone]

i use Pure Performance's CreaPure, no taste and mixes into anything (just dont mix it with orange or anything citric)

btw any "CreaPure" will do...

[Sanitariumite]

i use Pure Performance's CreaPure, no taste and mixes into anything (just dont mix it with orange or anything citric)

btw any "CreaPure" will do...

By "CreaPure" do you mean Creatine Mono?

[zemekone]

By "CreaPure" do you mean Creatine Mono?

"Creapure" is a tradmarked name of a creatine mono, that is the one of the purest if not the purest on the market... they are sourced out to optimum nutrition and prolab...

[cvm4]

I'm about to go do some bi/tri/forearms and a little HIIT. I might as well do all I can now, because I know my schedule is going to be off during the holiday season.

[Genetic Defect]

I will stick with Green Mag

[King James]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlI-N1b-ZK8

LIGHT WEIGHT!

[icehog3]

I will stick with Green Mag

I have been using Volu-Gro by Nutrex, which uses 60 grams of Long Chain Waxy Maize Starch to accelerate creatine transport. Waxy Maize Starch is completely sugar free. Waxy Maize Starch acts like a pump, pulling creatine and water along with it into the bloodstream. This ensures that creatine and insulin are present in the bloodstream at the same time. A much greater amount of creatine is transported into the muscles due to synchronized levels of creatine and insulin in the blood.

[zemekone]

I have been using Volu-Gro by Nutrex

how dose that taste?

[icehog3]

how dose that taste?

Great,,,,better than any other creatine supplement I have ever used. :tu

[The Professor]

I'm sort of in between Tom and Gerry. :) I use Optimum Nutrition's Creatine Mono with a scoop of ON's waxy maize starch (along with some other things) immediately post training. I add flavoring because it's just starchy otherwise ... actually, it tastes real bitter because of the BCAAs that I add. One packet of Walmart brand 0-cal "fruit punch" or "raspberry ice" makes it taste yummy. LoL!

Sanitariumite: I'd be interested in that new ON NO product. Let us know how it goes if you get some. Interesting....

[King James]

I need a grocery list of more stuff to get... only taking protein and WF right now

[PeteSB75]

Do you really get noticable strength gains with these supplements above what you would get without them? I'm not using anything but good food and a daily multivitamin. I'll have a banana and a yogurt half hour before I go to the gym, and cook myself some dinner when I get home - usually chicken/meat/fish and a salad.

Last night was a good leg workout:

Overhead squats
95x12
105x10
105x10

Squats
135x12
155x12
185x10
205x8

1 leg Angle leg press
140x12
180x12
200x12

Angle leg press calf raise
180x15
230x15
270x15

Standing calf raise - drop set
120x15 - 105x12 - 75x15 - 45x15

[zemekone]

back from the gym...

funny my sweat smells like alchohol... :D

[icehog3]

Do you really get noticable strength gains with these supplements above what you would get without them?

Absolutely....they aren't magic pills that make you suddenly stronger, but they allow you to train harder, recover faster, and thus gain strength quicker.

back from the gym...

funny my sweat smells like alchohol... :D

Is that anything like alcohol, Gerry? ;)

[Sanitariumite]

I'm sort of in between Tom and Gerry. :) I use Optimum Nutrition's Creatine Mono with a scoop of ON's waxy maize starch (along with some other things) immediately post training. I add flavoring because it's just starchy otherwise ... actually, it tastes real bitter because of the BCAAs that I add. One packet of Walmart brand 0-cal "fruit punch" or "raspberry ice" makes it taste yummy. LoL!

Sanitariumite: I'd be interested in that new ON NO product. Let us know how it goes if you get some. Interesting....

I've decided I'm going to try it out when I get the funds to re-stock. I will definitely keep y'all posted.

[Sanitariumite]

Oh, and anybody who's interested in trying a free VPX Meltdown sample (Advertised as being twice as effective as the renowned Ephedra/Caffeine stack) there's an offer in this month's Muscle and fitness. You have to call today or tomorrow, between 9am and 3pm Eastern time. No shipping costs, or anything, and the guy on the phone said it was a few day supply. Just call (954) 641-0570 ext 503. For me the extention didn't work, but it's an automated menu, and I figured out how to get to a representative, I think I just had to stay on the line, or hit a number or 2. He took my address and said it'd be here in 17-21 business days.

[Genetic Defect]

I have been using Volu-Gro by Nutrex, which uses 60 grams of Long Chain Waxy Maize Starch to accelerate creatine transport. Waxy Maize Starch is completely sugar free. Waxy Maize Starch acts like a pump, pulling creatine and water along with it into the bloodstream. This ensures that creatine and insulin are present in the bloodstream at the same time. A much greater amount of creatine is transported into the muscles due to synchronized levels of creatine and insulin in the blood.
Will give this a try after my tub of Green Mag
Great,,,,better than any other creatine supplement I have ever used. :tu

One of the things I like about GM, Def. going to try it :)

[Genetic Defect]

Oh, and anybody who's interested in trying a free VPX Meltdown sample (Advertised as being twice as effective as the renowned Ephedra/Caffeine stack) there's an offer in this month's Muscle and fitness. You have to call today or tomorrow, between 9am and 3pm Eastern time. No shipping costs, or anything, and the guy on the phone said it was a few day supply. Just call (954) 641-0570 ext 503. For me the extention didn't work, but it's an automated menu, and I figured out how to get to a representative, I think I just had to stay on the line, or hit a number or 2. He took my address and said it'd be here in 17-21 business days.

bought a bottle, huge crash after a couple hours. not on my list to buy again.
VPX Redline Power Rush® is better.:)

[Sanitariumite]

bought a bottle, huge crash after a couple hours. not on my list to buy again.
VPX Redline Power Rush® is better.:)

Good to know. I figured I'd try the free sample before buying anything.

[Genetic Defect]

Good to know. I figured I'd try the free sample before buying anything.

free sample can't hurt,hopefully it works better for you.

[Genetic Defect]

Gerry or Tom, any insight on MHP Dren?

[icehog3]

Gerry or Tom, any insight on MHP Dren?

Not familiar with that one, Perry. :)

[Genetic Defect]

Not familiar with that one, Perry. :)

Looks interesting http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mhp/dren.html
only $23 might buy a bottle and be a guinea pig :) not really looking for run thru walls energy but something to keep me motivated with out crashing.

[Sanitariumite]

Looks interesting http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mhp/dren.html
only $23 might buy a bottle and be a guinea pig :) not really looking for run thru walls energy but something to keep me motivated with out crashing.

Running through walls is fun every once in a while. Let us know how it goes, I'm interested in a decent fat-burn supplement. I take a concentrated green tea pill 2-3 times a day, but I'd like more energy, focus, and thermogenic than it offers.

[Genetic Defect]

Running through walls is fun every once in a while. Let us know how it goes, I'm interested in a decent fat-burn supplement. I take a concentrated green tea pill 2-3 times a day, but I'd like more energy, focus, and thermogenic than it offers.

Will do :) I read of some people stacking this with E. what I read in reviews is a good appetite suppressant and the "feeling good" the whole feeling good thing may be enough for me plus its one a day.

[icehog3]

Looks interesting http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mhp/dren.html
only $23 might buy a bottle and be a guinea pig :) not really looking for run thru walls energy but something to keep me motivated with out crashing.

I am more into others being the guinea pigs, on their dimes.....Spent too much money on crap over the years, I have (somewhat) learned my lesson.

[Genetic Defect]

I am more into others being the guinea pigs, on their dimes.....Spent too much money on crap over the years, I have (somewhat) learned my lesson.

:D what if this crap just ends up in your mailbox :dance:
I don't mind it although I used to spend a lot more in the past.

[Sanitariumite]

I am more into others being the guinea pigs, on their dimes.....Spent too much money on crap over the years, I have (somewhat) learned my lesson.
I haven't, so bring on the tests! I'm still young enough to be invincible, right?

[Genetic Defect]

I haven't, so bring on the tests! I'm still young enough to be invincible, right?

:r not about youth as much as $$$

[Sanitariumite]

:r not about youth as much as $$$
Yeah, no kidding. I'm not one to talk, as I'm trying to figure out when I'll be able to re-stock on a NO supplement, and I'm almost out of L-glutamine, which scares the hell out of me. That's the most effective supplement I've ever used! I'm never sore when I have glutamine around. It's an expensive game...

[Genetic Defect]

Yeah, no kidding. I'm not one to talk, as I'm trying to figure out when I'll be able to re-stock on a NO supplement, and I'm almost out of L-glutamine, which scares the hell out of me. That's the most effective supplement I've ever used! I'm never sore when I have glutamine around. It's an expensive game...

wow on the glutamine, I still subscribe to it being an unnecessary sup to really worry about. (MOO) my favorite NO product has been discontinued for some time, thats why/how I found WF.

[Sanitariumite]

wow on the glutamine, I still subscribe to it being an unnecessary sup to really worry about. (MOO) my favorite NO product has been discontinued for some time, thats why/how I found WF.

Not a fan of the Glutamine, huh? It seems like every time I lift when I don't have it, instead of my muscles feeling tight the next day, they just farking hurt for 12-24 hours. I can and do lift without it, whenever I have to, but I think I notice more difference in recovery from glutamine than from anything else I've tried.

[Genetic Defect]

Recovery is why I use PW (purple wraath) :)

and when I remember GFH

[Sanitariumite]

Recovery is why I use PW (purple wraath) :)

and when I remember GFH

Oh god, I can't stomach the PW. I tried. Time, and time again, I can't finish a dose of that stuff without gagging. It worked great, and I love the beta-alanine tingles, but goddamn they made that stuff foul...

[Genetic Defect]

Oh god, I can't stomach the PW. I tried. Time, and time again, I can't finish a dose of that stuff without gagging. It worked great, and I love the beta-alanine tingles, but goddamn they made that stuff foul...

:r that sounds about right, when was the last time you had any, also the samples usually taste worse then the actual product at least for me. also I mix 2-4 scoops in a qt

[Sanitariumite]

:r that sounds about right, when was the last time you had any, also the samples usually taste worse then the actual product at least for me. also I mix 2-4 scoops in a qt

I bought the CL package from Bodybuilding.com with the big tub of WF, GM, and PW. I burned through the white flood, still have/use the green mag, and I tossed the last 1/4-1/2 tub of PW because I got tired of making myself feel sick every time I wanted to lift. I figure when finances allow, I'll just get some of ON's BCAA stack, and some beta alanine, and make my own super white-flood.

[Genetic Defect]

what was your ratio when making PW also did you combine it with your PWO shake?

it beats the old VPX NO Shotgun taste :r

[Sanitariumite]

what was your ratio when making PW also did you combine it with your PWO shake?

it beats the old VPX NO Shotgun taste :r

I'd mix 2 scoops of PW with about a pint of water, and give it a good 15 minutes to dissolve, so I'm not drinking wet sand at the end of it. I tried diluting it, and sipping it all the way through the workout, but that just prolonged the agony.

[Genetic Defect]

I'd mix 2 scoops of PW with about a pint of water, and give it a good 15 minutes to dissolve, so I'm not drinking wet sand at the end of it. I tried diluting it, and sipping it all the way through the workout, but that just prolonged the agony.

did you try xtend?

looks like I will be ordering Dren and Blue Gene.:)

[Sanitariumite]

did you try xtend?

looks like I will be ordering Dren and Blue Gene.:)

I've never heard of xtend, what is it? Also never heard of Blue Gene.

[Genetic Defect]

I've never heard of xtend, what is it? Also never heard of Blue Gene.

Blue Gene (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/bluegene.html) has Cissus (from the website)
Cissus is a natural, cutting-edge anti-catabolic compound that has taken the supplement industry by storm. While more research is needed on the exact mechanism of its anti-catabolic activity, we do know that the phytoconstituents are active and effective, improving the support of tendons and ligaments (tendons and ligament function is essential for weightlifting strength and form).

Xtend (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sv/xtend.html)
had the watermelon flavor many years ago. was good

[Sanitariumite]

Blue Gene (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/bluegene.html) has Cissus (from the website)
Cissus is a natural, cutting-edge anti-catabolic compound that has taken the supplement industry by storm. While more research is needed on the exact mechanism of its anti-catabolic activity, we do know that the phytoconstituents are active and effective, improving the support of tendons and ligaments (tendons and ligament function is essential for weightlifting strength and form).

Xtend (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sv/xtend.html)
had the watermelon flavor many years ago. was good

So how do you use the xtend? Do you drink pre, post, or during?

[Genetic Defect]

So how do you use the xtend? Do you drink pre, post, or during?

I did it pre and during mostly during though.

[zemekone]

Gerry or Tom, any insight on MHP Dren?
Sorry this is so late, dren is pretty mild as a fat burned, pretty decent appitite supressant. Funny thing is multiple coustomer have sed it makes the mellow/happy...

[LasciviousXXX]

Funny thing is multiple coustomer have sex it makes the mellow/happy...

WHAT!?!?! Multiple customers who have sex are mellow and happy? SUWEEET!

[Genetic Defect]

Sorry this is so late, dren is pretty mild as a fat burned, pretty decent appitite supressant. Funny thing is multiple coustomer have sed it makes the mellow/happy...

I like mellow/happy specially this time of year. think I should give this a shot with Blue Gene?

[zemekone]

I like mellow/happy specially this time of year. think I should give this a shot with Blue Gene?

Try it let me know...

[Genetic Defect]

Try it let me know...

will order it today :) and report back how it goes

[Genetic Defect]

ordered and trying this, everything is new to me.
MHP DREN, Controlled Labs Blue Gene, Optimum Melatonin, Olympian Labs Omega-3 Fish Oils.

[zemekone]

ordered and trying this, everything is new to me.
MHP DREN, Controlled Labs Blue Gene, Optimum Melatonin, Olympian Labs Omega-3 Fish Oils.

perry have you used melatonin before?

[Genetic Defect]

perry have you used melatonin before?

no, here is the link if it was a bad idea to buy it was cheap enough not to use :) http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/melatonin.html

[zemekone]

no, here is the link if it was a bad idea to buy it was cheap enough not to use :) http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/melatonin.html

personally i cant use it, it gives me crazy nightmears...

[longknocker]

perry have you used melatonin before?

I thought melatonin just made you sleepy???

[Genetic Defect]

personally i cant use it, it gives me crazy nightmears...

I heard that about it, tried ALRI Lean Dreams that gave me some "lucid" dreams we will see what this does, if I don't like it I will send it to Dokk :D

[Genetic Defect]

perry have you used melatonin before?

Gerry, just looked over the lean dreams ingredients and it looks like I had melatonin before. didn't remember :bh

Oleamide was the primary reason for trying it :)

[zemekone]

Gerry, just looked over the lean dreams ingredients and it looks like I had melatonin before. didn't remember :bh

Oleamide was the primary reason for trying it :)

gotcha...

[Starscream]

Gerry, just looked over the lean dreams ingredients and it looks like I had melatonin before. didn't remember :bh

Oleamide was the primary reason for trying it :)

What's Oleamide?

[Genetic Defect]

What's Oleamide?

http://www.oleamide.com/
http://www.nature.com/bjp/journal/v141/n2/full/0705608a.html

[Starscream]

http://www.oleamide.com/
http://www.nature.com/bjp/journal/v141/n2/full/0705608a.html

Do you have a link that is written in English?:D

Is it a sleep agent?

[Genetic Defect]

Do you have a link that is written in English?:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

[Starscream]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

You Bastrad!:r:r:bh

[Genetic Defect]

You Bastrad!:r:r:bh

:salute:

[zemekone]

Can You Please Refrain From Bantering in the Thread...

[Starscream]

Can You Please Refrain From Bantering in the Thread...

:tu Sorry, Gerry. Feel free to delete any banter posts I have made in this thread.

Any Ephedra users on here? I hear it's legal again in the US. Anyone know where I can get a supply of Ephedra? I lost 35lbs w/ it. When they outlawed it, I gained back a lot of weight. Ephedra gave me the energy needed to work out and was a great dietary supplement. Or does anyone have any negative comments on Ephedra? Any info is very welcome.

[zemekone]

:tu Sorry, Gerry. Feel free to delete any banter posts I have made in this thread.

Any Ephedra users on here? I hear it's legal again in the US. Anyone know where I can get a supply of Ephedra? I lost 35lbs w/ it. When they outlawed it, I gained back a lot of weight. Ephedra gave me the energy needed to work out and was a great dietary supplement. Or does anyone have any negative comments on Ephedra? Any info is very welcome.

i dont use it on a regular basis, but when i do use it... i use Vasopro Ephedrine by Mega-Pro International

[longknocker]

Gerry: I use Valerian Root to help me sleep. Works great with no hangover in the morning.:tu

[BigFrank]

Found my new home!

Ive used melatonin in the past, also gave me crazy nightmares. I used to take ZMA before bed. It would help me sleep more soundly, but the zinc in it is a natural diuretic and would make me get up 2+ times a night to drain the lil guy.

Zemekone, are you using this thread as a specifically Q&A thread or just workout banter and workouts etc?

[icehog3]

Found my new home!

Ive used melatonin in the past, also gave me crazy nightmares. I used to take ZMA before bed. It would help me sleep more soundly, but the zinc in it is a natural diuretic and would make me get up 2+ times a night to drain the lil guy.

Zemekone, are you using this thread as a specifically Q&A thread or just workout banter and workouts etc?

Banter is fine here Frank, we all talk about our daily workouts and such...glad you found our new home.

Tore up back today....put 5 plates on the T-bar, started with 19 reps and kept going until I could only get 10.

Did the same with barbell rows at 225, though I pushed out a final set at 275 to tear it up.

Finished with pull-ups, a couple sets of wide grip pulldowns at 290, and finally repped out a couple sets of cable rows at 240....I am spent!

[DavenportESQ]

Admiral,

Seems like T Bar rows are a staple in your workouts. Any specific reason or thoughts? I have never really done them What do you think the major benefits are?

[icehog3]

Admiral,

Seems like T Bar rows are a staple in your workouts. Any specific reason or thoughts? I have never really done them What do you think the major benefits are?

I find the narrower (is that a word?) the grip, the more it works the outside of my lats, so I try to do the T-bars to widen out my "V".

....and I like having all the people at the gym stare at me when I throw on 7 plates on a heavy day. ;)

[zemekone]

Zemekone, are you using this thread as a specifically Q&A thread or just workout banter and workouts etc?

The answer to you question frank is YES, there was some nothing to do with anything banter going on that I got rid of...

[icehog3]

The answer to you question frank is YES, there was some nothing to do with anything banter going on that I got rid of...

Just in case my "yes" wasn't good enough. ;) :r

[DavenportESQ]

...and I like having all the people at the gym stare at me when I throw on 7 plates on a heavy day. ;)

haha! You should come down here and workout at the fitness and wellness center. The way its set up has a running track around the actual weightroom, its fun to show off to sorostitutes.... I mean sorority girls!:ss

[icehog3]

haha! You should come down here and workout at the fitness and wellness center. The way its set up has a running track around the actual weightroom, its fun to show off to sorostitutes.... I mean sorority girls!:ss

Sleazy DZs! :r

[BigFrank]

Thats odd tom, you find the narrow grip works the outter lats, general thought is narrow grip targets that middle area lower traps. I feel a little stretch in my lats from a narrow grip but I always find my upper back / middle upper (Rhomboid area I guess) to be sore.

[DavenportESQ]

Sleazy DZs! :r

DZ?!?!?! THOSE ARE MY INITIALS WHO YOU CALLIN SLEAZY!:fl:mad::c:bx:bx:bx

HAHA JK:ss Interesting about those T Bars....I was reading and a lot of powerlifters do that to help build big lats.They also do this because they need them to have huge bench numbers, and this is an exercise like you said where you can load up a lot of weight

I think they are interesting because I like to do opposite movements on the same day...I.E Bench press then rows

[BigFrank]

Never really seen much as far as close grip t bar rows as per powerlifting. more focus upon wide grip rowing and wide grip pulls. Most emphasis on lats, building stabilizing and explosive power out of the bottom.

But I guess it really depends on hand position on the T bar rows.

[cvm4]

Did chest and back today. And now I know why I hardly ever do chest and back on the same day.

[zemekone]

DZ?!?!?! THOSE ARE MY INITIALS WHO YOU CALLIN SLEAZY!:fl:mad::c:bx:bx:bx

HAHA JK:ss Interesting about those T Bars....I was reading and a lot of powerlifters do that to help build big lats.They also do this because they need them to have huge bench numbers, and this is an exercise like you said where you can load up a lot of weight

I think they are interesting because I like to do opposite movements on the same day...I.E Bench press then rows

Never really seen much as far as close grip t bar rows as per powerlifting. more focus upon wide grip rowing and wide grip pulls. Most emphasis on lats, building stabilizing and explosive power out of the bottom.

But I guess it really depends on hand position on the T bar rows.

you guys have to take in coinsideration, that most people dont know how to bench with your back (i mean controlling it down with your lats and exploding with your chest) :hm

[DavenportESQ]

you guys have to take in coinsideration, that most people dont know how to bench with your back (i mean controlling it down with your lats and exploding with your chest) :hm

Im with ya 100% Most people dont realize the bench is a whole body lift...Especially for max effort

[icehog3]

Thats odd tom, you find the narrow grip works the outter lats, general thought is narrow grip targets that middle area lower traps. I feel a little stretch in my lats from a narrow grip but I always find my upper back / middle upper (Rhomboid area I guess) to be sore.

Maybe like you said it has to do with hand position and form, Frank...I seem to get more width from the T-bar, and more thickness from the barbell rows.

Dave....DZs, not Dave Z's!! :r

Delta Zetas....dated 3 at the same time in college, and 2 of the 3 were OK with it! :r

[DavenportESQ]

Delta Zetas....dated 3 at the same time in college, and 2 of the 3 were OK with it! :r

They just thought they were lucky to be with the hog!:ss:r

Had a nice workout today.

First time full flat benching with full range of motion in I dont know how long.

185x5
225x5
275x3
315x3
365x1
385x1
405x1
420x2
225x28
I am happy that I was able to rehab through my shoulder injuries and put up some ok numbers for low reps. This is also pretty early for us. We haven't done a lot of max loading. I contribute this to the mental psyche of having done more weight before and not wanted to look like an ass.

Hope everyone gets a good week of lifting in, and then lots of Rest and Recovery come turkey day!

[King James]

Today begins my new workout.... trying to cut off a little fluff. Have a good workout made up, but my problem is the how to eat part... what can I say, I like taco bell! I'm already down like 10-15 lbs from my highest, maybe lose 15-20 more of "fluff" and then gain it back in muscle. I've decided Turkey Day doesn't count though, because I have to eat alot on Thanksgiving!

[DavenportESQ]

Today begins my new workout.... trying to cut off a little fluff. Have a good workout made up, but my problem is the how to eat part... what can I say, I like taco bell! I'm already down like 10-15 lbs from my highest, maybe lose 15-20 more of "fluff" and then gain it back in muscle. I've decided Turkey Day doesn't count though, because I have to eat alot on Thanksgiving!

Well you are starting to diet in the hardest part of the season. I like taco bell too, when I try to diet instead of cutting it down all together I first start watching the quantity of what I eat at fast food. I stop eating 8 double chz and maybe eat 4... Then when it gets harder I try and gross my self out by thinking about how bad it is for you. It works for me

Good Luck James and have a good turkey day

[icehog3]

Jim, crazy thing is I probably take in less calories on Thanksgiving than most other days....I try not to eat much until dinner, then stuff myself so much in one meal that I don't eat the rest of the night! ;)

Dave, sounds like you are gonna have one helluva max on bench before it is all said and done. :tu

[King James]

I just need/want to get on a decent cocktail for lifting... Really only take protein and WF now. Maybe start up w/ the jet fuels if I start running

[Genetic Defect]

Jim don't you bulk then cut?

[Genetic Defect]

Got my goods in today will try the Dren alone for the next couple of days to see how it makes me feel.

[BigFrank]

Let me know how the Dren works Vito, ive never been a big fan of fat burners / energy pills.

Workout Tonight was disappointing
Sumo Deadlifts 485x5 - 505x3 - 530x2 ( got the 3rd rep to about 1/2 point right above the knee then it got stuck ) At this point I got insanely pissed threw my belt down kicked some inanimate objects then sat down. 5rm and 3rm pulled very smooth. I think on the 3rd pull I got tired and threw my hips forward to early.

-Pull-Ups superset with db rows
rear delt raises
Good mornings superset with hammer curls
(all above done 3 sets 10 reps)
Been following a new routine.Less time in gym been gaining some good strength right away.

[BigFrank]

Heres the Program ive been following in a nutt shell.

Week #1 5RM 85%
Week #2 3RM 90%
Week #3 1RM 95%
Week #4 6RM 70%

Weeks #1-2 are done 3 sets at 5RM and 3RM Week #3 is done 5RM - 3RM - 1RM ( performed for reps )
Week #4 is a deload week but is totally optional.
After 4th week, add 5-10lbs to bench 10-20lbs on squat and deadlift.
Three days a week, Mon- Deadlift Weds-Bench Fri-squats
A 4th day is optional but would be light assistance work and stretching.

[GhostRyder]

So I'm trying to get back into my lifting form after I slimmed down a bit for my marathon. Any advice on what lifts to get back into right away? I'll definitely be deadlifting, but other than that I don't know where to go. I feel like this is sort of a clean slate. I think I want to build some explosiveness/power, but I need to be able to max a Marine Corps PFT/CFT so I can't neglect my running. Any ideas?

[Sanitariumite]

So I'm trying to get back into my lifting form after I slimmed down a bit for my marathon. Any advice on what lifts to get back into right away? I'll definitely be deadlifting, but other than that I don't know where to go. I feel like this is sort of a clean slate. I think I want to build some explosiveness/power, but I need to be able to max a Marine Corps PFT/CFT so I can't neglect my running. Any ideas?

Damn, that's a tall order! What do you do in the Marines that requires a perfect PFT? I'm freaking out about getting to a 225 within 3-4 months to apply for OCS.

[BigFrank]

So I'm trying to get back into my lifting form after I slimmed down a bit for my marathon. Any advice on what lifts to get back into right away? I'll definitely be deadlifting, but other than that I don't know where to go. I feel like this is sort of a clean slate. I think I want to build some explosiveness/power, but I need to be able to max a Marine Corps PFT/CFT so I can't neglect my running. Any ideas?
I'd recommend a powerlifting / combine routine for starters. Heres one that is geared towards explosiveness and running / conditioning. For the assistance work I would just use bodyweight type lifts, I know pull ups etc are big for military. Weighted push ups etc.

Heres a template laid out for you,. This could be changed to fit work etc. gives you a good idea though.
*
MONDAY (A.M.) - MAX-EFFORT Upper Body lift
*
MONDAY (P.M.) - Sprint work, conditioning, GPP or skill training
*
TUESDAY - OFF or Restoration techniques
*
WEDNESDAY - Sprint work, conditioning, GPP or skill training
*
THURSDAY - REPETITION Upper Body lift
*
FRIDAY - Sprint work, conditioning, GPP or skill training
*
SATURDAY - Lower Body lift
*
SUNDAY - OFF or Restoration techniques


Heres a few links
http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm
http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside2.htm
http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/articles.htm

[cvm4]

Going to try to do legs and shoulders today. I'm working with a short week so some workouts are going to get stacked.

[Genetic Defect]

started Dren this morning will report later

[Sanitariumite]

I think I might have strained something, so I wanted to see if this sounds familiar to any of you guys. I tried a new rep/set method I read about in Muscle & Fitness where you do 3 sets of 7 reps at a heavy weight, and finish with a 4th set of 25-30 reps at a lighter weight to help build strength. I did my 3 sets of 7 reps of squats at just over 200lbs and felt fine, and after 23 reps at just over 100lbs I had to stop because I thought I was going to pass out. It's this throbbing pain in the base of my skull, right where the top of my neck starts, it was so intense I honestly thought I might black out. This was 2 nights ago, and both yesterday and today anytime my heart rate is even slightly elevated (Riding a my bike on level ground, walking up/down stairs, etc.) It starts throbbing. It's some of the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I don't know if it's a headache, or a migraine, or if I strained something. Does this sound familiar to any of you guys? If it's not better within 2-3 days I'm going to a doctor.

[BigFrank]

I think I might have strained something, so I wanted to see if this sounds familiar to any of you guys. I tried a new rep/set method I read about in Muscle & Fitness where you do 3 sets of 7 reps at a heavy weight, and finish with a 4th set of 25-30 reps at a lighter weight to help build strength. I did my 3 sets of 7 reps of squats at just over 200lbs and felt fine, and after 23 reps at just over 100lbs I had to stop because I thought I was going to pass out. It's this throbbing pain in the base of my skull, right where the top of my neck starts, it was so intense I honestly thought I might black out. This was 2 nights ago, and both yesterday and today anytime my heart rate is even slightly elevated (Riding a my bike on level ground, walking up/down stairs, etc.) It starts throbbing. It's some of the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I don't know if it's a headache, or a migraine, or if I strained something. Does this sound familiar to any of you guys? If it's not better within 2-3 days I'm going to a doctor.

I had the same thing happen to me doing drop sets on the leg press. Exact same pain everything down to the letter of what you are describing. I just took a week off from lifting and the pain went away. Id give it a little time and if it doesnt go away or gets worse see a doctor. Im not 100% sure what the hell that is.

[Sanitariumite]

I had the same thing happen to me doing drop sets on the leg press. Exact same pain everything down to the letter of what you are describing. I just took a week off from lifting and the pain went away. Id give it a little time and if it doesnt go away or gets worse see a doctor. Im not 100% sure what the hell that is.

I guess I'll just be taking time off until it's better then. Weak.

[BigFrank]

I guess I'll just be taking time off until it's better then. Weak.ya i hate taking time off, but look at it this way ya got the holiday week two days away. Enjoy yourself on turkey day, drink a few beers, and watch some football. Relax. I'd say plan on hitting the gym Monday. 6 days is a reasonable amount. Not to mention you are going to be in a high caloric state, matched with massive naps!:ze:rolleyes:

[zonedar]

I've been struggling with something very similar. I would go to work out and get a stunning headache. After a few days I couldn't even get through a warm-up on the stairmaster without stopping and staring at my toes as I counted my heart rate via the pulsing in my skull. Also was a ***** during sex! Thought my eye was going to fly out of it's socket. Would last for a few hours.

Thought it might be a sinus infection, so I finally went to the doc to see if I could get something to help. Told her the symtoms. She says it probably nothing, but I needed to get an MRI, asap. That night I had my head in a giganitc electro-magnet. Headaches brought on by exertion are a warning sign.

The MRI came up clear. That was about two months ago. I still am getting the head aches, but the frequency and intensity are way down. Can get by with an ibuprofen if it's bad.

So, you should see a doctor and make sure that it's not something serious. Probably not, but better to be safe than sorry.

Turns

[Genetic Defect]

I think I might have strained something, so I wanted to see if this sounds familiar to any of you guys. I tried a new rep/set method I read about in Muscle & Fitness where you do 3 sets of 7 reps at a heavy weight, and finish with a 4th set of 25-30 reps at a lighter weight to help build strength. I did my 3 sets of 7 reps of squats at just over 200lbs and felt fine, and after 23 reps at just over 100lbs I had to stop because I thought I was going to pass out. It's this throbbing pain in the base of my skull, right where the top of my neck starts, it was so intense I honestly thought I might black out. This was 2 nights ago, and both yesterday and today anytime my heart rate is even slightly elevated (Riding a my bike on level ground, walking up/down stairs, etc.) It starts throbbing. It's some of the worst pain I've ever experienced, and I don't know if it's a headache, or a migraine, or if I strained something. Does this sound familiar to any of you guys? If it's not better within 2-3 days I'm going to a doctor.
I remember one guy doing a workout like that, he is built :ze

[Sanitariumite]

I remember one guy doing a workout like that, he is built :ze

They were raving about the rep/set structure in Muscle & Fitness as being one of the most efficient ways to build strength. I thought I'd give it a shot, and all feels great, except for my damn neck/head throbbing pain. I'm going to stick with this structure for a few months. I'll keep you guys posted as to how it's working as far as increasing strength.

[BigFrank]

I've been struggling with something very similar. I would go to work out and get a stunning headache. After a few days I couldn't even get through a warm-up on the stairmaster without stopping and staring at my toes as I counted my heart rate via the pulsing in my skull. Also was a ***** during sex! Thought my eye was going to fly out of it's socket. Would last for a few hours.

Thought it might be a sinus infection, so I finally went to the doc to see if I could get something to help. Told her the symtoms. She says it probably nothing, but I needed to get an MRI, asap. That night I had my head in a giganitc electro-magnet. Headaches brought on by exertion are a warning sign.

The MRI came up clear. That was about two months ago. I still am getting the head aches, but the frequency and intensity are way down. Can get by with an ibuprofen if it's bad.

So, you should see a doctor and make sure that it's not something serious. Probably not, but better to be safe than sorry.

Turns
That sound more like a high blood pressure symptom. Sani's problem sound more like a strain.:2

[BigFrank]

They were raving about the rep/set structure in Muscle & Fitness as being one of the most efficient ways to build strength. I thought I'd give it a shot, and all feels great, except for my damn neck/head throbbing pain. I'm going to stick with this structure for a few months. I'll keep you guys posted as to how it's working as far as increasing strength.If you want to build strength heres three steps.
#1 Dont read how to get strong in a magazine
#2 Get a good powerlifting program and stick to it.
#3 Eat a lot

[Genetic Defect]

Dren Day 1:
woke up about 5:15 am took on an empty stomach

Energy: was like drinking coffee all day woke me up and kept me going at a steady pace. I usually drink 4-5 cups of coffee at work none needed today.

Appetite Suppressant: worked very well for this, did not eat much today and am not hungry.

Mood:kept me happy even when talking economy and politics.

overall the first day was a good one did what I expected :)

[Genetic Defect]

If you want to build strength heres three steps.
#1 Dont read how to get strong in a magazine
#2 Get a good powerlifting program and stick to it.
#3 Eat a lot

but those magazines are heavy :r

[zonedar]

That sound more like a high blood pressure symptom. Sani's problem sound more like a strain.:2

Naw, BP was fine (112/something low). Doc still isn't sure but as it's getting better we decide to not do any migraine meds or such.

But you're likely right. Sani's is probably is a strain. But he should get it checked out.

[Sanitariumite]

Dren Day 1:
woke up about 5:15 am took on an empty stomach

Energy: was like drinking coffee all day woke me up and kept me going at a steady pace. I usually drink 4-5 cups of coffee at work none needed today.

Appetite Suppressant: worked very well for this, did not eat much today and am not hungry.

Mood:kept me happy even when talking economy and politics.

overall the first day was a good one did what I expected :)

How long since you took it, and how long did the effects stay in full swing?

[Sanitariumite]

but those magazines are heavy :r

Lol, there's a lot of good information in there. There's a lot of bullshyte too, but I've learned what to pick up on and ignore. There's a ton of good diet/supplement info, and usually at least a couple of new lifts/techniques I didn't know about. It's made it a lot easier to constantly keep my routine changing, and I've learned a lot about dietary things I probably never would have picked up on otherwise. As with anything else, I take it all with a grain or two of salt.

[Genetic Defect]

How long since you took it, and how long did the effects stay in full swing?

its been about 10 hours the appetite suppressant is still in full effect as for the others the energy lasted me 6 hours there was no crash though. my mood is still happy though I am not tired like yesterday either at this time.

[Genetic Defect]

Lol, there's a lot of good information in there. There's a lot of bullshyte too, but I've learned what to pick up on and ignore. There's a ton of good diet/supplement info, and usually at least a couple of new lifts/techniques I didn't know about. It's made it a lot easier to constantly keep my routine changing, and I've learned a lot about dietary things I probably never would have picked up on otherwise. As with anything else, I take it all with a grain or two of salt.

I too learned a bit out of the mags, pick and choose basically

[BigFrank]

Naw, BP was fine (112/something low). Doc still isn't sure but as it's getting better we decide to not do any migraine meds or such.

But you're likely right. Sani's is probably is a strain. But he should get it checked out.Scratch that idea than lol. I still wouldnt run off to the Dr.'S right away. Just keep a close eye on it.


Jury is still out for me on Dren Vito give it a few days, mayeb placebo effect getting you now lol!

Most info in mags can be found online. Personally Id rather get 2 pounds of nice steak than buy a magazine...:2

[Genetic Defect]

I will report day two :) but trust me a placebo won't wake me up and keep me going :r

[Genetic Defect]

SciVation VasoCharge
anyone here try it or know much about it? looks like I may try this as a replacement to WF and GM

Amount Per Serving % Daily Value

Vitamin B3(Niacinamide) 75mg 375%
Vitamin B5(Pantothenic Acid) 50mg 500%
Vitamin B6(Pyridoxine HCL) 50mg 2,500%
Vitamin B12(Methylcobalamin) 100mcg 1,667%

VasoXplode™ Proprietary Blend 15,700mg †
VasoRush™ Blend(Citrulline Malate, L-Arginine Alpha KetoGlutarate 2:1, (Di-L-Arginine)-L-Malate, Citric Acid, (Di-L-Arginine) Orotate) 8,250mg †

CreaSci™ Blend(Creatine Monohydrate, DiCreatine Malate) 2,500mg †

H-Primer™ Blend(Beta-Alanine, N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine) 2,500mg †

BrainDrive™ Blend(Acetyl-L-Carnitine, N-Acetyl-Tyrosine, Caffeine (USP), DL Phenylalanine) 2,450mg †

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet
† Daily Value not established

Other Ingredients
Natural And Artificial Flavors, Silicon Dioxide, Acesulfame Potassium, Sucralose, Red #40, Blue #1

[BigFrank]

I just cracked open my second tub of NO XPLODE, loving this ****.
Vasocharge doesnt look too bad. Pick a tub up give it shot, I'm sure you have spent 30 bucks on worse LOL.

[Genetic Defect]

I will in time :D and I pass on all :bsn products

[BigFrank]

I held out for a long time picking NO make my ass Xplode. Its not too bad, it gets me ready to lift. I usually buy a tub or two of something then switch up, maybe ill get that VaginalCharge next time hahhaaha!

[Genetic Defect]

Can't remember Frank, did you try WF?

[BigFrank]

Can't remember Frank, did you try WF?
Nah, I boycotted No products for awhile and was just popping 400mg caffeine and 6g L-Arginine pew workout in capsule form.

[Genetic Defect]

Nah, I boycotted No products for awhile and was just popping 400mg caffeine and 6g L-Arginine pew workout in capsule form.

I see you are still boycotting them ;)

[BigFrank]

hahaha, I guess imma have to pick up some WF when my NO buttxplode runs out it seems. Ill give anything a shot.

[Genetic Defect]

same here sort of, I will try many but will continue to boycott :bsn

[Genetic Defect]

did the 3mg of melatonin last night an hour before bed about hour and a half later got tired and slept. Didn't notice anything dreamwise guess I slept solid lastnight.

[Genetic Defect]

tonight I try 6mg of melatonin

[longknocker]

tonight I try 6mg of melatonin

Try Valerian Root from GNC, Perry! 500 mg capsule. 1 capsule makes me sleep like a baby with no "Hangover" the next morning. Price is around $5 for 100 capsules.:tu

[Genetic Defect]

Not sure about the Mel working I did wake up feeling refreshed though.

Greg I will give the root a try :tu

This also will be day 2 of Dren

[BigFrank]

Hows the Dren working Vito?

Off to the gym for me. Skipped outta work early.

[zemekone]

:ze Happy bulking/high protein intake/muscle repairing day! :ze

[icehog3]

:ze Happy bulking/high protein intake/muscle repairing day! :ze

I am hitting the gym shortly to get my Turkey appetite in gear! :D

[zemekone]

Try Valerian Root from GNC, Perry! 500 mg capsule. 1 capsule makes me sleep like a baby with no "Hangover" the next morning. Price is around $5 for 100 capsules.:tu
Try the standardized one in the glass bottle 11.99 those arethe ones I use...

[King James]

No Gym for me today. Taking rest of week off because shoulder has still been bothering me. Hopefully good to go by Monday

[BigFrank]

happy turkey day workout fellas. wrecked some chest yesterday, off day for me today loaded up on turkey and a few naps today. legs in the afternoon should be fun!

[icehog3]

Super setted chest and back today.

Incline Bench - Pullups

Wide-grip Bench - Bent-over Rows

Dips - Pulldowns

Vertical Bench - Dumbbell Rows

I was nauseous by the end from the fast sets....but I quelled the nausea with some turkey and fixins! :D

[BigFrank]

Leg day today. I managed to wake myself from my turkey coma and hit the gym
Squats
445x5 465x3 485x3(PR)
Leg Presses
Leg Curls
Lunges
Good Mornings
Calf Work

For the first time today, I used a foam roller post workout along with my moderate stretching. I'll let you guys know over the next few days if it has any impact on my DoMs.

Digging the workout Tom.

[icehog3]

Leg day today. I managed to wake myself from my turkey coma and hit the gym
Squats
445x5 465x3 485x3(PR)
Leg Presses
Leg Curls
Lunges
Good Mornings
Calf Work

For the first time today, I used a foam roller post workout along with my moderate stretching. I'll let you guys know over the next few days if it has any impact on my DoMs.

Digging the workout Tom.


Great squat workout. Frank! :tu

Hit the easy stuff today, shoulders and arms. Gonna hit legs tomorrow before I get back on the ice this week.

[Genetic Defect]

Hows the Dren working Vito?

Off to the gym for me. Skipped outta work early.

Frank
Dren has been ok I noticed the energy boost over all it is like drinking coffee.
I think it has kept my argumentative side calm :) would I buy this again? Probably not.

[DavenportESQ]

Leg day today. I managed to wake myself from my turkey coma and hit the gym
Squats
445x5 465x3 485x3(PR)
Leg Presses
Leg Curls
Lunges
Good Mornings
Calf Work

For the first time today, I used a foam roller post workout along with my moderate stretching. I'll let you guys know over the next few days if it has any impact on my DoMs.

Digging the workout Tom.

Nice workout. I took the rest of the week off for traveling etc. I get DOMS the worst. I have used a foam roller, but if I go that route I will use a tennisball, or softball to really get deep in there.

[The Professor]

I miss the DOMS. :( It's been 1.5 weeks since my last gym session due to travel. Grrrr. :mad:

Gym is closed today for the holiday; but it'll open back up tomorrow. I need to hit some squats or deads.

[zemekone]

I'm with you d...

I haven't been to the gym in 4 days, I been stuck on vacation with no access to a gym...

Headed back to California tonight, and back to the gym...

[BigFrank]

Frank
Dren has been ok I noticed the energy boost over all it is like drinking coffee.
I think it has kept my argumentative side calm :) would I buy this again? Probably not.Thats about how I feel on most products like that. I just buy the 20 pack of redbull at the store instead.
Nice workout. I took the rest of the week off for traveling etc. I get DOMS the worst. I have used a foam roller, but if I go that route I will use a tennisball, or softball to really get deep in there.
Never heard about using those before. Fri was the first day I ever used the foam roller. Wasnt too bad, I found my balance was worse than I had thought. LOL. Legs are a lil sore, but I didnt foam out my glutes and they FREAKING hurt, so maybe it is helping a lil.

Sorry to hear ya guys are missing the gym. The good part in all that is, you miss it. If ya take time off and dont feel like coming back. Thats the worst. Enjoy the rest time. Eat some junk, then come back full throttle.

[Genetic Defect]

redbull is even worse for me, about 20 seconds feeling good then nothing

[Sanitariumite]

redbull is even worse for me, about 20 seconds feeling good then nothing

I hear you there, energy drinks are great if I need a kick-start, but they're really only good for about 30-45 minutes unless you go with the 32 oz mini-kegs, in which case it's probably healthier to just do a line or two lol...

[King James]

Back to the gym for me tomorrow as well. New Diet/Workout starting and had some shoulder pain the last few weeks that hasn't gone away so took this past week off. Ready to rock and roll tomorrow at about 3:30 pm

[BigFrank]

redbull is even worse for me, about 20 seconds feeling good then nothing
I drink the sugar free ones and feel fine. Usually drink one in the morning, and never notice any crash.

[icehog3]

Leg workout today....not particularly strong, but got an awesome pump and still feel it now. Too much "crap food" over the past two days, me thinks.

[The Professor]

Got back from the gym a little less than an hour ago. Eating now. Today seriously sucked. Please remind me never to take 2 weeks off. I should have at least done some cardio. My stamina sucked. My muscles felt weak. Oh ... and I had my first asthma attack (mild, thankfully) in several months and didn't have my inhaler. Oy.

Glad to be back on the wagon, though. :tu :ze

[The Professor]

Leg workout today....not particularly strong, but got an awesome pump and still feel it now. Too much "crap food" over the past two days, me thinks.
I did legs today, too -- really wanted to get a good stretch in my hams and glutes since they've felt sore from all the traveling. Tried Zercher squats for the first time. Those take more arm strength than I realized. LoL! Did some stiff-legged deads, snatch-grip deads, and regular deads to follow up. My ass is gonna be killing me tomorrow. :r

[icehog3]

I did legs today, too -- really wanted to get a good stretch in my hams and glutes since they've felt sore from all the traveling. Tried Zercher squats for the first time. Those take more arm strength than I realized. LoL! Did some stiff-legged deads, snatch-grip deads, and regular deads to follow up. My ass is gonna be killing me tomorrow. :r

Well, that is a helluva way to get back in the saddle, Dokk. :tu

I just went with squats and seated hamstring curls....have a game Tuesday and don't want to be too depleted then. The squats were enough to do me in. :r

[The Professor]

Well, that is a helluva way to get back in the saddle, Dokk. :tu

I just went with squats and seated hamstring curls....have a game Tuesday and don't want to be too depleted then. The squats were enough to do me in. :r
I can't do squats b/c of my shoulder. :( I should also note that I didn't/couldn't go too heavy with anything. My last set of deads (only at 185), I did faster than I've ever done deads before. I probably could have hit 225 that fast; but my lower back (like, sacrum area) was sore, so I stopped. :) I'll do some cardio, stretching, and shoulder rehab tomorrow.

[BigFrank]

Damn sorry to hear your workout sucked Prof. Thats kind of odd, only 2 weeks shouldnt have done you in that bad.

Whats bugging your shoulder that you cant do squats?

[The Professor]

Damn sorry to hear your workout sucked Prof. Thats kind of odd, only 2 weeks shouldnt have done you in that bad.

Whats bugging your shoulder that you cant do squats?
I'm a wreck, Frank. :r

Don't know for sure what's wrong with the right shoulder. Still haven't found a good sports doc around here; but I haven't tried as hard as I should. The clearest symptoms are (a) a popping half-way down (not up) a flat bench motion and (b) a pain in the front part of the rotator cuff. Even holding the bar for a squat ends up putting a good deal of strain on the cuff; so I'm taking some time off from anything upper body that could strain it.

The bigger issues today were (a) total crap nutrition for the last 2 weeks and (b) posterior chain soreness from all the travel and conference-going. I spent almost 10 hours in the driver seat of my wife's car over the Thanksgiving vacation ... and it hurts my lower back from almost the second I sit in it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I'm sure the crap day is a result of poor nutrition and the existent soreness. It'll get better by the end of the week. :tu

[BigFrank]

Ya those factors will sure leave ya a mess.

Dunno about the shoulder issue, do you get the same pains even with lighter weights?

[cvm4]

I decided not to try and make-up chest and back. I'm gonna start fresh with bi/tri on Tuesday.

[The Professor]

Ya those factors will sure leave ya a mess.

Dunno about the shoulder issue, do you get the same pains even with lighter weights?
I did ... which is why I cut out everything except for a circuit of rehab exercises. It's doing better, though -- no popping today. :)

[BigFrank]

Damn that sucks, just keep the rehab going. Let it take time to heal up.

Tom heres an article I ran across.
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/off_ice_cond.htm

[icehog3]

Damn that sucks, just keep the rehab going. Let it take time to heal up.

Tom heres an article I ran across.
http://www.elitefts.com/documents/off_ice_cond.htm

Thanks Frank...If I can translate that from "weightless" exercises to something with weights, might be fun! :D

[BigFrank]

Your Welcome Tom, I didnt read much into it to be honest. Just saw the hockey reference figured it would be at least worth a read.

Chest Just Finished
Bench
380x5 - 380x5 - 380x7(PR) Wanted to go for 8 but no spotter. Very upsetting.
DB floor Press
125x10x3
V Bar Press Downs
60x20 - 60x14 Massive Burn and pump stop me short last set
Dips
Bodyweight + 90x5x3 Final set of just Bodyweight 25 reps.

[Genetic Defect]

tried dren and drank a coffee today, made me sleepy.:confused:

[icehog3]

Great bench session, Frank. :tu

Thumbs down on the Dren at this point, Perry?

[BigFrank]

tried dren and drank a coffee today, made me sleepy.:confused:
double negative?

I never could drink coffee always makes me bloated and tired.

Great bench session, Frank. :tu

Thumbs down on the Dren at this point, Perry?
yes I winz!11!!!!!1

[Genetic Defect]

Great bench session, Frank. :tu

Thumbs down on the Dren at this point, Perry?

double negative?
Tom, you are correct a waste of $$$ so far. you would be better off with vivarin over Dren.
I never could drink coffee always makes me bloated and tired.


yes I winz!11!!!!!1

Coffee never did that to me back to the books to find something else.

[BigFrank]

I took Animal Cuts a few times before they banned ephedra. That was some good ****! Gave me the jitters but I would be amped all day. Dunno what else is out there. I would say just get a bottle of caffeine =/
A lot of people lately have been staying away from stimulants. A lot of new research is saying that taking them outside of the optimal window(pre exercise) increases cortisol in the body in large amounts.

[Genetic Defect]

any links? thats sounds like an interesting twist to previous way of thoughts.

[BigFrank]

Just google "caffeine and cortisol" there is a lot of info on this subject. Tons of articles.

[Genetic Defect]

Just google "caffeine and cortisol" there is a lot of info on this subject. Tons of articles.

just google it, eh? search nazi:r will do who knows how this may alter ones mind.

[Genetic Defect]

caffeine is bad what about other stims?

[The Professor]

I've got the worst DOMS today. :r

Barely got cardio in this morning after all the snow/ice and the old lady almost passing out on her way down the stairs. Gotta push through the DOMS tomorrow, though, and do a bit more leg work. Might throw in some "curls for da gurls." ;) Definitely have to hit my rehab exercises again.

:ze

[icehog3]

just google it, eh? search nazi:r will do who knows how this may alter ones mind.

Little change might do ya good. ;) :r

[The Professor]

2 1/2 circuits of shoulder rehab exercises, today. Damn thing is still popping even after all the rest. I think it's time for me to start looking harder for a doctor. :rolleyes:

Followed it up with some speed deads, just for fun and to get a bit blood flowing in my legs ... and just a little to show up the big guy using less weight and straps to hold onto the bar. ;) Yeah -- sometimes I'm a 15 year old, one-upper.

I learned it from Gerry, though. :ze :dance: :r

[icehog3]

Ya danged one-upper, Dokk! :r

I am going to hit upper body (excepting back) shortly, and then hit the rink later tonight.

[King James]

going to be a quick workout for me today. Get some leg stuff in then get back to hitting the books

[icehog3]

going to be a quick workout for me today. Get some leg stuff in then get back to hitting the books

Make the most of it, Jim!

I am hitting the WF in 5, see yens all later.

[BigFrank]

Pull Day
-Deads 490x5 490x5 490x7(should have netted 8 and / or 9 on these, strength was there but lacked a lot of mental drive, sad. Was coming out of the bottom very fast today)
-Pull Ups
BW+45x8x4
-Kroc Rows
125x20x2 ( gym needs larger dumbbells )
-Hang Row Cleans ( These are like 1/2 upright row, 1/2 power clean )
135x10x3
-Good Mornings
95x10x3
-15 min cardio-bike-stare-at-hot-chicks

I hope you used extra chalk for more of a dramatic show up effect Proff. hahahahahha

You know you <3 Deadlifts when your hands look like this
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3340/1010165iw4.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1010165iw4.jpg)

[The Professor]

I hope you used extra chalk for more of a dramatic show up effect Proff. hahahahahha

You know you <3 Deadlifts when your hands look like this

Nice deads, bro. I finally hit 405 a month or so back and have been training lighter since, focusing on the fundamentals. When I got back this morning, I'd popped some blood vessels or something in my right hand and it just looked like red bruise across 3 of my calluses. My wife said it was gross. I thought it was awesome.


PS, no chalk allowed :mad: but I sneak it in for 365+ :)

[BigFrank]

No chalk? Thats terrible. I tried to use that liquid chalk before, it doesnt work worth a ****. Personally I think the old school chalk adds a little bit of a mental edge to pulling also. nothing says big pull like chalk clouds.

[Genetic Defect]

No chalk? Thats terrible. I tried to use that liquid chalk before, it doesnt work worth a ****. Personally I think the old school chalk adds a little bit of a mental edge to pulling also. nothing says big pull like chalk clouds.

never heard that before

[BigFrank]

never heard that beforeI just made it up. :ss
Just adds a psychological advantage for me thats all.

[icehog3]

I remember back in the day we used to break open ammonia caps before going for max lifts on squats.

Maybe that's why I am the way I am today. :r

[Chris.]

Would you guys rather do a full set with lesser weight or bump the weight up and go till failure? That's what I'm struggling with right now.

My trainer tells me that going until failure isn't a good thing, but one of my Men's fitness issues said it was. Just be sure to drink some whey protein before and after your workouts. It helps your muscles repair and grow.

[icehog3]

My trainer tells me that going until failure isn't a good thing, but one of my Men's fitness issues said it was. Just be sure to drink some whey protein before and after your workouts. It helps your muscles repair and grow.

I have always worked to failure, although for many years now I stop there and don't go into "forced reps"....too much damage to the ligiments and tendons after 30 years of lifting. Forget what the fitness magazines say and experiment, find out what works best for you...there is no "formula" that works for everyone, everyone's body reacts differently.

I have never been able to lift on a full (to any degree) stomach, so I just hit the whey and glutamine right after the workout. The before and after whey is definitely a good thing for those who can lift with something in their stomach, though. :tu

[The Professor]

I remember back in the day we used to break open ammonia caps before going for max lifts on squats.

Maybe that's why I am the way I am today. :r
That explains so much. :D

Funny ... I was just thinking about those ammonia capsules today on the way into the gym. Maybe this is a sign I should grab some. :dance: :r :ze

[BigFrank]

I remember back in the day we used to break open ammonia caps before going for max lifts on squats.

Maybe that's why I am the way I am today. :r
back in the day?

I still do it now....:cb

My trainer tells me that going until failure isn't a good thing, but one of my Men's fitness issues said it was. Just be sure to drink some whey protein before and after your workouts. It helps your muscles repair and grow.

I train to failure every workout. Much like tom said, going past failure is where you get into dangerous territory.
Add simple carbs to the post workout shake and your good to go.

[Starscream]

My trainer tells me that going until failure isn't a good thing, but one of my Men's fitness issues said it was. Just be sure to drink some whey protein before and after your workouts. It helps your muscles repair and grow.

This month's Men's Health says it's not good. I teaches proper form and you are more likely to be injury prone. It does say going to failure is good from time to time. But that's just what I read, I'm no expert.

[Genetic Defect]

so many people training to fail

[BigFrank]

Men's Health = Garbage
Unless you like looking at male models, only take this magazine and all other magazines for that matter at face value. How many articles does one need about building 6 pack abs and how to train arms? Of course a magazine is going to say some bullshit like that. They cater to the people that read them who want an easy way to workout. Bottom line, if you are not pushing yourself at the gym, you are not going to make any gains. That includes cardio, diet, and weightlifting. Unless you have a vast amount of disposable income and can load your body with test shots and hgh we are all gonna have to bust a little ass.

Now I understand that we as men require pictures and articles that only scratch the surface on debates. But take it just as that. A lot of the guys that post in this thread have a lot of years of weight training, nutrition, sports specific training and powerlifting knowledge at a key stroke away. Dont be afraid to ask.