Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3 [Archive] - Page 24

Adriftpanda

06-15-2012, 07:16 PM

I have no idea why either... Here what it says.

Q: When's the best time to consume Xtend?
A: Two university studies suggest that Xtend is significantly effective at increasing muscle mass and strength, and reducing body fat when consumed during exercise or immediately prior to and after training.* It's recommended that you begin consuming Xtend immediately prior to, and continue sipping on Xtend throughout your training or competition. Many users also report significantly improved gains when Xtend is consumed immediately upon waking-up in the morning and/or sipping on Xtend throughout the day.

Bill86

06-15-2012, 11:52 PM

Yeah Xtend basically tells you to constantly consume their product, even multiple servings, and BSN says cycle off. Both recovery products.

Here's what AminoX says

To maximize the effects of AMINOx™ consume 120 oz. of water per day and a diet that is rich in protein and carbohydrates. Your body chemistry and weight will determine how long it takes to experience the effect of AMINOx™. AMINOx™ begins to induce its maximum effects in weeks 3-12. After 12 weeks of use, discontinue for at least 4 weeks.

:sh

Chainsaw13

07-02-2012, 05:51 PM

Adriftpanda

07-03-2012, 04:11 AM

How many calories are you taking in a day? Has your diet changed since working out?

Chainsaw13

07-03-2012, 06:03 AM

How many calories are you taking in a day? Has your diet changed since working out?

Around 2300-2500. I'm pretty diligent about what I eat. I don't track it like I used to but I"m eating the same kinds of foods/portions while I was maintaining my weight. When I was dropping the lbs, I was taking in around 1700-2000/day.

mosesbotbol

07-03-2012, 07:28 AM

So to not put on more mass do I stay at my current weights just upping the reps?

Have you done any BMI tests? Most important factor in "How fat am I?" is to measure the actual fat. Your weight could be due to water retention and muscle, not actually more fat. Another factor is how your clothes fit. You may be heavier yet your clothes fit better.

On the workout front, I would up the long medium paced cardio (at least 30 minutes at pace you can still talk at) and keep the weights at whatever rep level you are comfortable with. Count your calories and you'll have to lose more fat...

Chainsaw13

07-03-2012, 07:48 AM

Have you done any BMI tests? Most important factor in "How fat am I?" is to measure the actual fat. Your weight could be due to water retention and muscle, not actually more fat. Another factor is how your clothes fit. You may be heavier yet your clothes fit better.

On the workout front, I would up the long medium paced cardio (at least 30 minutes at pace you can still talk at) and keep the weights at whatever rep level you are comfortable with. Count your calories and you'll have to lose more fat...

My pants/shorts still fit the same as when I was down at the 183-185 mark (currently I"m around 190-192). Shirts have a more fitted look with the development I've had in my upper body, since that's what I've been concentrating on.

Besides the weight workouts, I've still been running a lot. I want to do a half marathon later this fall, so cardio isn't an issue. I think you're right though and I need to log my food intake to make sure I'm eating what I think.

Still wondering though about reps with lighter weights. If I can easily do 15+ reps per set of a particular exercise, is that really doing me any good?

mosesbotbol

07-03-2012, 08:48 AM

Still wondering though about reps with lighter weights. If I can easily do 15+ reps per set of a particular exercise, is that really doing me any good?

Whether you do 8 reps or 20, you should be in similar state of fatigue on the last reps. If you blast though 15, then just add weight. On high rep sets, just add 5’s or 2.5’s instead of repeating the same weight.

Personally, I like it traditional with 10 rep sets, but it is recommended to go up in reps when over 40 years old… Make the difference back on stretching to keep the body long and range of motion in check.

If you think you are retaining water, watch your sodium intake. Do you have any swelling in lower legs?

Chainsaw13

07-03-2012, 08:56 AM

If you think you are retaining water, watch your sodium intake. Do you have any swelling in lower legs?

Surprising you ask that. I've been experiencing this for a couple of months, always below the knee and when I'm standing around for long periods of time. Doesn't do it when i'm active and on my feet. I saw the doc the other day and he gave me a script for a diuretic.

mosesbotbol

07-03-2012, 09:53 AM

Surprising you ask that. I've been experiencing this for a couple of months, always below the knee and when I'm standing around for long periods of time. Doesn't do it when i'm active and on my feet. I saw the doc the other day and he gave me a script for a diuretic.

Yes, the diuretic pill is quite common for water retention. Not sure how old you are, but the swelling can be due to hormone inbalance. Male menopause, lol..

Consider getting a blood panel done so you know where your levels are including hormones (HGH and Testosterone), liver, colon and insulin. Might be able to get insurance to pay for it too. Generally they won't, but even out of pocket is well worth it.

BigCat

07-03-2012, 10:35 AM

Here's a question. Ive always heard lighter weight/more reps equals leaner muscle mass. What constitutes more reps? 12? 20? Here's my situation. After losing a lot of weight, I'vebeen incorporating weight training into my routine. I've seen nice results over the last couple of months. But in doing so, I've put back on 5-7 lbs. I know it's muscle weight, but psychologically it's killing me to see the scale going up. So I'd like to basically stay where I'm at, but losing some of the last bit of fat. So to not put on more mass do I stay at my current weights just upping the reps?

What I have read, as it relates to reducing body fat percentage, is that if you eat at a caloric deficit, meaning less calories than your body burns, and continue to lift heavy, while also getting enough protein (I've read 1 gram per pound of lean muscle mass), you will loose the fat while minimizing muscle loss. I think if you've gained 5-7 pounds, its either water weight or you are eating more than you think since you stopped tracking. Just my :2 I'm still working off the fat, so take it for what it's worth (probably not much).

Chainsaw13

07-03-2012, 10:50 AM

Yes, the diuretic pill is quite common for water retention. Not sure how old you are, but the swelling can be due to hormone inbalance. Male menopause, lol..

Consider getting a blood panel done so you know where your levels are including hormones (HGH and Testosterone), liver, colon and insulin. Might be able to get insurance to pay for it too. Generally they won't, but even out of pocket is well worth it.

I had blood drawn last week, along with a echo of my heart. Just waiting on those results.

mosesbotbol

07-03-2012, 12:40 PM

I had blood drawn last week, along with a echo of my heart. Just waiting on those results.

Swelling could be related to a diabetic condition too. Did you fast before the blood was drawn?

Chainsaw13

07-03-2012, 12:50 PM

Swelling could be related to a diabetic condition too. Did you fast before the blood was drawn?

No, that's next month when I have my A1C checked.

Stephen

07-03-2012, 01:05 PM

I mix up my pre-workout drinks so I don't become "immune" to any of them, Huy. Right now, it is berween Jack3d, Hemo-Rage Ultra and White Flood. Both Jack3d and Hemo-Rage Ultra are being taken off the market by the FDA due to one of their ingredients being compared to metha-amphetimine. I grabbed 4 of each to start, so I have plenty to last until something new takes their place.

During the workout, I either finish any remaining pre-workout supplement, or drink water.

Afterwards, some whey isolate along with one of several recovery drinks with BCAAs.
Have you tried Muscle Marinade? Love that stuff. Next purchase will probably be Craze; heard nothing but good things about it.

Bill86

07-03-2012, 01:14 PM

Have you tried Muscle Marinade? Love that stuff. Next purchase will probably be Craze; heard nothing but good things about it.

Do yourself a HUGE favor, pass on the grape. It is repulsive. Craze is nuts for sure, but it gave me a wicked cottonmouth I didn't like and turned my stomach a bit. I'd still only use it once a week, I tried using it 3 times a week and after 3 weeks and I lost half the effects.

But yeah, try 2 scoops the first time you do it....probably certain tunnel vision. It's intense.

I've been thinking about trying the new Berry Lemonade, it's getting a 9.4 for flavor. "Candy Grape" had like a 7.0.

Stephen

07-03-2012, 01:30 PM

Do yourself a HUGE favor, pass on the grape. It is repulsive. Craze is nuts for sure, but it gave me a wicked cottonmouth I didn't like and turned my stomach a bit. I'd still only use it once a week, I tried using it 3 times a week and after 3 weeks and I lost half the effects.

But yeah, try 2 scoops the first time you do it....probably certain tunnel vision. It's intense.

I've been thinking about trying the new Berry Lemonade, it's getting a 9.4 for flavor. "Candy Grape" had like a 7.0.
Thanks for the head's up! :tu

icehog3

07-03-2012, 02:48 PM

Have you tried Muscle Marinade? Love that stuff. Next purchase will probably be Craze; heard nothing but good things about it.

Haven't tried either of them, Stephen...I will give them a look-see on BB.com, thanks for the heads-up. :)

Bill86

07-04-2012, 02:02 PM

Jon11

07-04-2012, 02:19 PM

The best pre-workout that I have tried (and I've tried a bunch!) is 1mr by BPI sports. Nothing comes close. This stuff is awesome. Try it you won't be disappointed.

icehog3

07-04-2012, 02:30 PM

The best pre-workout that I have tried (and I've tried a bunch!) is 1mr by BPI sports. Nothing comes close. This stuff is awesome. Try it you won't be disappointed.

Liked it until they changed the formula a couple months ago to avoid being banned by the FDA along with Hemorage Ultra and Jack3d. Isn't even close to what it was anymore. :2

Stephen

07-04-2012, 02:47 PM

From what I could read is MM isn't sold on BB.com. Probably due to the 80 mg of 1,3 Dim that is it in. Some people say if you liked Jack3d you'll like MM. Others say it's too stim heavy and tastes god awful. Apparently fresh fruit is the ticket from what I could read. Not sure I want to get into the really stim heavy PWO's. But that is what it is, 300mg caffeine, 80 mg of 1,3 dim. There might also be a wicked crash or come down.
I get it off of Amazon (although I'm positive bb.com used to sell it). No tax and no shipping. Yeah, it's stim heavy, but for those taking Jack3d that's something they're probably not too worried about. Personally never had issues with crashing. I've tried Cherry Limeade, but usually stick with Fruit Punch.

Bill86

07-04-2012, 09:26 PM

I get it off of Amazon (although I'm positive bb.com used to sell it). No tax and no shipping. Yeah, it's stim heavy, but for those taking Jack3d that's something they're probably not too worried about. Personally never had issues with crashing. I've tried Cherry Limeade, but usually stick with Fruit Punch.

Okay hell you sold me, I read you could take a half a scoop to start and probably do just fine. I got it for like $31 shipped. Not complaining I bought the Fresh Fruit or whatever flavor. Starting to get into too high of servings on the regular non-stim PWO's anyways (3-4 scoops on most of them).

icehog3

07-04-2012, 11:53 PM

Okay hell you sold me, I read you could take a half a scoop to start and probably do just fine. I got it for like $31 shipped. Not complaining I bought the Fresh Fruit or whatever flavor. Starting to get into too high of servings on the regular non-stim PWO's anyways (3-4 scoops on most of them).

Yup, I'm gonna try it too....just ordered from Amazon.

zemekone

07-04-2012, 11:58 PM

ok ok ok... im back

mostly been working and helping a couple fighters on their strength and conditioning....

but im back!

icehog3

07-04-2012, 11:59 PM

geRRy! http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/patrick-1.jpg

Bill86

07-05-2012, 12:31 AM

Yup, I'm gonna try it too....just ordered from Amazon.

Not sure if you know but after looking into it for a bit it seems there are a few more with the 1,3 dim (DMAA) that didn't get the axe or are still on the market. Allmax Razor8 and Supp-D were a few I found. It seems Jack3d is still around. I'm assuming they never changed the formula and the online shops will have it for a while.

Stephen

07-05-2012, 06:20 AM

Okay hell you sold me, I read you could take a half a scoop to start and probably do just fine. I got it for like $31 shipped. Not complaining I bought the Fresh Fruit or whatever flavor. Starting to get into too high of servings on the regular non-stim PWO's anyways (3-4 scoops on most of them).
Yup, I'm gonna try it too....just ordered from Amazon.
Yeah, I did a half scoop for the first week or so when I first used it just to be on the safe side. Let me know what you guys think!

icehog3

07-05-2012, 10:13 AM

Not sure if you know but after looking into it for a bit it seems there are a few more with the 1,3 dim (DMAA) that didn't get the axe or are still on the market. Allmax Razor8 and Supp-D were a few I found. It seems Jack3d is still around. I'm assuming they never changed the formula and the online shops will have it for a while.

Yeah, my gym has enough of a supply of Jack3d and Hemorage to last a while...

Yeah, I did a half scoop for the first week or so when I first used it just to be on the safe side. Let me know what you guys think!

I am pretty immune....I'll probably start with 4 scoops, Stephen. :lr

zemekone

07-05-2012, 10:49 AM

morning workout...

30 weighted dips
30 weighted pullups
box jumps 2x10
barbell bench press 3x4-6
barbell incline bench press 2x4-6
farmer walks 4x25ft

have you guys ever tried maximize v2 by iforce? the old formula is on amazon, and does contain 1,3 dim

icehog3

07-05-2012, 03:49 PM

Haven't tried that one, geRRy, I will put it on the list.

Skipped my workout Monday after my travel debacle, had to miss Tuesday and Wednesday because of extended work hours, so today was my only workout of the week. Did a whole upper body circuit just to get a good overall one, saving egs for hockey tonight....then, off again for Friday-Monday for Massholia. Hoping to get back in the swing Tuesday AM, it will be a rough one as I have a hockey doubleheader Monday night when I get home from Boston.

GreekGodX

07-05-2012, 04:21 PM

I'm done with all the preworkout stimulants. I found that I don't really need them or that they do much for me.

Stephen

07-05-2012, 07:55 PM

I am pretty immune....I'll probably start with 4 scoops, Stephen. :lr
Couldn't help but think of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzo_PGL1lUE)...

:r

icehog3

07-06-2012, 12:28 AM

Couldn't help but think of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzo_PGL1lUE)...

:r

:lr :wo

Bill86

07-06-2012, 12:56 AM

Couldn't help but think of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzo_PGL1lUE)...

:r

:r

I wish Red bull did that :(

area51

07-06-2012, 03:20 AM

I'm done with all the preworkout stimulants. I found that I don't really need them or that they do much for me.

Ditto, I've ran everything under the sun and I needed to start taking 2x the reccomended scoops. The only thing I'm taking now is creatine and protein. My pre workout consists off coffee and carbs.

Bill86

07-11-2012, 07:39 PM

I got that Muscle Marinade in yesterday, giving it a shot tomorrow with a half a scoop. I can say it smells just fine. I know some people complained about that, I didn't get it :sh

icehog3

07-11-2012, 07:41 PM

I got that Muscle Marinade in yesterday, giving it a shot tomorrow with a half a scoop. I can say it smells just fine. I know some people complained about that, I didn't get it :sh

Hoping to get mine by the end of the week.

Restocked some prohormones today, seemed to work well on the first cycle so I will give them another go-round.

Bill86

07-11-2012, 07:46 PM

You ever try the DMAA caps? I was thinking about buying them and tossing back a few of them when taking non-DMAA PWO's. I figure it couldn't hurt and it's cheap. Might save me a few bucks instead of going with more scoops.

icehog3

07-11-2012, 07:50 PM

Bill86

07-11-2012, 07:52 PM

Interesting, If I like the Muscle Marinade I'll probably order the DMAA caps this week and give it a shot. Thanks :tu

icehog3

07-11-2012, 07:58 PM

Please lemme know how it goes with both, Bill.

Bill86

07-11-2012, 08:06 PM

Definitely will do.

Been trying out Hypershred since it was on sale at BB.com. Damn they don't give that sh*t a 9.4/10 for nothing, I've been doing it for a week and already getting great results. I bought AminoX as well, I haven't tried BSN products in a good while but they are definitely getting something right lately. I'd say AminoX is better than Xtend, Blox and Evolution X7. Haven't found a better Intra/Post workout yet.

Fordman4ever

07-11-2012, 09:49 PM

Hoping to get mine by the end of the week.

Restocked some prohormones today, seemed to work well on the first cycle so I will give them another go-round.

What pro-hormones do you use? I've gone through 3 cycles and post cycles in the last 2 years and the last cycle I was on produced a 305lb bench press.

icehog3

07-11-2012, 11:06 PM

Been trying out Hypershred since it was on sale at BB.com. Damn they don't give that sh*t a 9.4/10 for nothing, I've been doing it for a week and already getting great results. .

Not familiar with Hypershred, Bill...I will go check it out on BB.com, but what can you tell me about it?

What pro-hormones do you use? I've gone through 3 cycles and post cycles in the last 2 years and the last cycle I was on produced a 305lb bench press.

My last (and next cycle) was:

LG Sciences M1D
ForeRunner Alpha Mass

I added the following supplements as well:

Now Foods Acetyl-L Carnitine
Now Foods Zinc Picolonate

Bill86

07-11-2012, 11:25 PM

Not familiar with Hypershred, Bill...I will go check it out on BB.com, but what can you tell me about it?

Fat burner, does quite well so far. LOTS of caffeine per day though.... 180mg a pill, 3 pills a day. I haven't been leaner in quite a while and I just started maybe a week ago. I'm combining it with CLA Core (MusclePharm, been taking that for 2 months) and getting great results. Neither are exactly weight loss pills, fat loss which is what I wanted.

If you were cutting or ever looking to cut......CLA Core + Hypershred seems like a winner.

I'll know more in 3-4 weeks when I finish the bottle of Hypershred, I'm quite impressed so far though.

icehog3

07-11-2012, 11:39 PM

Thanks Bill. :tu

Stephen

07-12-2012, 05:13 AM

I have heard DMAAs are much slower-acting than the powders. Some just break open the capsules and chase the powder inside with water. I have no experience with them so this is all based on other guys at the gym and hockey.
I've seen people break open the pills and snort them (not just with this product mind you). Makes sense, since the desired affect happens quicker than digestion and absorption. I bet it tastes great and doesn't burn at all... ;)

Bill86

07-12-2012, 05:17 AM

I've never snorted anything in my life, not about to start with DMAA :r

Something tells me NO ONE had snorting it in mind when they made DMAA, physician or otherwise :r

Stephen

07-12-2012, 07:48 AM

I've never snorted anything in my life, not about to start with DMAA :r

Something tells me NO ONE had snorting it in mind when they made DMAA, physician or otherwise :r
Like snorting bath salts or smoking potpurri? Or better yet, who's the first dude who came up with butt-chugging? I mean seriously, how does this happen?

icehog3

07-12-2012, 08:37 AM

I, er, uh......I am going to the gym to hit chest.

:lr

the nub

07-12-2012, 08:56 AM

My last (and next cycle) was:

LG Sciences M1D
ForeRunner Alpha Mass

can I ask what your gains were like on M1D?

any sides?

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

PM if you prefer

DBall

07-12-2012, 09:00 AM

Like snorting bath salts or smoking potpurri? Or better yet, who's the first dude who came up with butt-chugging? I mean seriously, how does this happen?

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is... :tu

Stephen

07-12-2012, 11:41 AM

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is... :tu
Believe me, I wish I didn't know what it was...

On a different note, anyone have an opinion to offer in regards to Reebok Zigs? I need a new pair of workout shoes, and there's several pairs on sale right now. Yes, I know they're hideous looking, but I'm not entering a fashion contest with them.

icehog3

07-12-2012, 04:51 PM

can I ask what your gains were like on M1D?

any sides?

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

PM if you prefer

Gains in strength were significant on all lifts.

No side effects of note.

Not sure what the third question means, please clarify and I will do my best to answer.

the nub

07-12-2012, 05:44 PM

Gains in strength were significant on all lifts.

No side effects of note.

Not sure what the third question means, please clarify and I will do my best to answer.

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

Post cycle therapy- some guys use an anti-estrogen or test booster when coming off a PH cycle

On cycle support- some guys take precautionary supps- either proprietary or things like hawthorn berry- to prevent liver damage since a lot of PH are taxing on the liver.

thanks for the response

Bill86

07-12-2012, 05:49 PM

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is... :tu

This x100....*shudders*

On a different note, anyone have an opinion to offer in regards to Reebok Zigs? I need a new pair of workout shoes, and there's several pairs on sale right now. Yes, I know they're hideous looking, but I'm not entering a fashion contest with them.

I saw those actually, and tried them on...Not a fan. I was looking for a new pair of shoes but eh...either I'm not with "the times" or those shoes were terribly weird and uncomfortable. They do look goofy as sh*t that's for sure.

Let me elaborate a bit on the "not a fan". When the shoes bend in your step they feel VERY off to me. I didn't like it at all.

Ender

07-12-2012, 06:22 PM

Ab exercise...sucks. I tried starting it today...and hate it!

icehog3

07-12-2012, 07:39 PM

what was your PCT and on cycle support?

Post cycle therapy- some guys use an anti-estrogen or test booster when coming off a PH cycle

On cycle support- some guys take precautionary supps- either proprietary or things like hawthorn berry- to prevent liver damage since a lot of PH are taxing on the liver.

thanks for the response

Gotcha. :tu

I used to take anti-estrogen supps when I stopped the PHs, but I haven't in a few years and don't seem to suffer any ill effects for it.

Only issue I have ever had with the PH cycles has been elevated creatinine levels, but never to the point where my doctor thought it was a problem, and was usually solved my raising my water intake. I have never taken Hawthorn Berry, but use Taurine, Zinc Picolonate, Saw Palmetto and Coenzyme Q-10.

Stephen

07-12-2012, 07:40 PM

Ignorance truly is bliss... I couldn't be any happier having no idea WTH "butt-chugging' is... :tu
This x100....*shudders*
Just because two of you commented on it... :D

Think alcohol enema. Ingesting alcohol anally vs. orally bypasses the digestive and filtration system in the body, making absorption into the bloodstream much quicker and potent. :tu

I saw those actually, and tried them on...Not a fan. I was looking for a new pair of shoes but eh...either I'm not with "the times" or those shoes were terribly weird and uncomfortable. They do look goofy as sh*t that's for sure.

Let me elaborate a bit on the "not a fan". When the shoes bend in your step they feel VERY off to me. I didn't like it at all.
Thanks for the input. I admit that I haven't even tried a pair on yet, just had a buddy tell me that they had a sale going on out at the mall and I should check them out.

Bill86

07-13-2012, 01:02 AM

Well that was the trial run of Muscle Marinade. First time with any of the DMAA PWO's so I took 3/4 of a scoop. I personally don't get why it was banned, I didn't feel very different at all. In fact to me this feels like "cleaner" pure energy. My lifts weren't really any better and it made me sweat like a banshee but overall I got a good workout in.

I'll have to give it a few more tries and see what I think. I can say I couldn't imagine taking a whole sh*tton of this stuff so it's probably cost effective. I haven't crashed yet, we'll see. Tastes good though. I'll do 1 full scoop next time.

DBall

07-13-2012, 05:28 AM

Just because two of you commented on it... :D

Think alcohol enema. Ingesting alcohol anally vs. orally bypasses the digestive and filtration system in the body, making absorption into the bloodstream much quicker and potent. :tu
After the above description, you should never say the following again:

Thanks for the input.

:r :r :r

Stephen

07-13-2012, 07:14 AM

After the above description, you should never say the following again:

:r :r :r
You know how difficult it is to stand on your head when you get to be my age? :r

icehog3

07-13-2012, 08:28 AM

You know how difficult it is to stand on your head when you get to be my age? :r

Perhaps you would prefer if I stood on your head? :)

Stephen

07-13-2012, 09:16 AM

Perhaps you would prefer if I stood on your head? :)
*checks name*

Nope, not Devan. :tu

RobR1205

07-13-2012, 09:51 AM

Gotcha. :tu
I used to take anti-estrogen supps when I stopped the PHs, but I haven't in a few years and don't seem to suffer any ill effects for it.

I did this for a while. Made me strong like a bull, and allowed me to gain a lot of muscle weight, but I think I'm going to stay away from Test boosters and Anti Estrogens. Loved the result, but had one nasty side effect for me: Gynecomastia due to the huge increase in testosterone (yes, I know, quite embarrassing). It's a common condition for men, but my doctor said that these supplements likely contributed to it, especially at such a young age. I am currently scheduling surgery to remove the tissue that formed as a result. Works for some, but just wanted to throw that out there for anyone who has not yet dabbled in the realm of T boosters. :2

the nub

07-13-2012, 10:01 AM

Ab exercise...sucks. I tried starting it today...and hate it!

I do ab work strictly for core strength. Ab definition is built in the kitchen.

mosesbotbol

07-13-2012, 10:06 AM

Loved the result, but had one nasty side effect for me: Gynecomastia due to the huge increase in testosterone (yes, I know, quite embarrassing).

Did you try taking Anastrozole or another estrogen inhibitor?

RobR1205

07-13-2012, 10:49 AM

Unfortunately, I developed the hard, painful (glandular) gynecomastia not the fatty kind that some medicines of anti-estrogens can help shrink down. I've done some serious researching, as has my doctor, and it would seem that at this stage in the game (six months, and still hasn't gotten better, even off supps) I'm going to have to go under the knife :(. Luckily my insurance will cover it which is a relief when I saw how much the surgery can cost!

mosesbotbol

07-13-2012, 11:24 AM

Luckily my insurance will cover it which is a relief when I saw how much the surgery can cost!

3-5K?

icehog3

07-13-2012, 01:28 PM

I was lucky, never had any gynecomastia issues, even before my current career when I dabbled in some illegal supplements for a time (26+ years ago).

Fordman4ever

07-13-2012, 02:32 PM

I'm way too afraid of getting B**** Tits, so I always take an E-blocker and a T-boost as a post cycle. as for during, I usually just take a liver support or just milk thistle pills.

Ender

07-14-2012, 09:13 AM

I do ab work strictly for core strength. Ab definition is built in the kitchen.

I'm going more for the core strength and a little of fat burning. I'll never have ripped abs. I've always said "regular weight/strength training takes discipline but ab work takes character". Even though I'm giving it ANOTHER try I'm convinced I don't have what it takes for ripped abs. This was confirmed as I :sadwas eating cheesecake 11:30 last night.

the nub

07-14-2012, 09:54 AM

I'm going more for the core strength and a little of fat burning. I'll never have ripped abs. I've always said "regular weight/strength training takes discipline but ab work takes character". Even though I'm giving it ANOTHER try I'm convinced I don't have what it takes for ripped abs. This was confirmed as I :sadwas eating cheesecake 11:30 last night.

Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right. :D

I'm 45 and in the best shape of my life. I eat donuts, chocolate, pizza, etc. I made home made pizza last weekend and ate four 11" pizzas to myself. I don't do cardio because I hate it. I do 5 sets of abs, 3X week. Abs show up when you eat fewer calories than you burn.

Ender

07-14-2012, 10:04 AM

Whether you think you can or think you can't, you are right. :D

I'm 45 and in the best shape of my life. I eat donuts, chocolate, pizza, etc. I made home made pizza last weekend and ate four 11" pizzas to myself. I don't do cardio because I hate it. I do 5 sets of abs, 3X week. Abs show up when you eat fewer calories than you burn.

Well crap...now I'm hungry.

DBall

07-16-2012, 09:21 AM

went to GNC to re-up on protein.... the guy there was really trying to steer me towards the Re-Built Mass product. Any thoughts on that?

I ended up getting the ON Gold Standard Whey...

RobR1205

07-16-2012, 09:38 AM

went to GNC to re-up on protein.... the guy there was really trying to steer me towards the Re-Built Mass product. Any thoughts on that?

I ended up getting the ON Gold Standard Whey...

Personally, depends on the goal you want. Mass gainers, like the one I've been taking, can have as much as 1250 calories, 250g carbs, and 50+g of protein in a single serving (which is too high for some people). I'm trying to put on weight and muscle currently, and it's really worked well for me. I also take half a serving of gainer after workouts and before bed to put back carbs and other nutrients into my body. If you're trying to strictly gain muscle and have a decent amount of body fat, then Whey Protein is prolly the way to go :2 I used to be extremely skinny, but now stand at 6'0" and 200 pounds -- 35 pounds in one year!

Bill86

07-16-2012, 12:30 PM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gainers.htm

can have as much as 1250 calories, 250g carbs, and 50+g of protein in a single serving

ON Serious Mass?

What you can do as well is cut the serving in half if it is too much. I've heard people having great success with taking half a serving of ON Serious Mass for twice as long.

RobR1205

07-16-2012, 01:56 PM

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gainers.htm

ON Serious Mass?

What you can do as well is cut the serving in half if it is too much. I've heard people having great success with taking half a serving of ON Serious Mass for twice as long.

Exactly! Sounds like you've used it before. The normal scoops are ENORMOUS, and they practically fill my shaker bottle more than half way. That's why I halve my servings. Plus it makes it last longer, which means I can get more cigars instead :tu

Bill86

07-16-2012, 02:12 PM

Nope, I actually haven't. I've just read into it heavily. I will probably go on it in a few months.

I noticed the 334 G scoop and I knew that was a RIDICULOUS size serving, 10 times a normal protein shak. So I read about it and people were cutting it in half. An extra 625 calories + milk if you use it was more than enough for most people.

icehog3

07-16-2012, 02:19 PM

Yup, I'm gonna try it too....just ordered from Amazon.

Company didn't ship until 7/13, not too impressed with them at this point.

RobR1205

07-16-2012, 04:44 PM

If you haven't already looked at it, I've found Supplement Warehouse to be incredibly cheap...5lb of ON Gold Standard and 12lb of Serious Mass all >$100 if I do remember correctly...Heck of a lot better than paying retail

icehog3

07-16-2012, 04:52 PM

DBall

07-17-2012, 05:45 AM

Personally, depends on the goal you want. Mass gainers, like the one I've been taking, can have as much as 1250 calories, 250g carbs, and 50+g of protein in a single serving (which is too high for some people). I'm trying to put on weight and muscle currently, and it's really worked well for me. I also take half a serving of gainer after workouts and before bed to put back carbs and other nutrients into my body. If you're trying to strictly gain muscle and have a decent amount of body fat, then Whey Protein is prolly the way to go :2 I used to be extremely skinny, but now stand at 6'0" and 200 pounds -- 35 pounds in one year!

I'm still debating how much weight I wanna put on (assuming I can, I have a rather quick metabolism). I'm 5'9" and up to around 150 now

Stephen

07-17-2012, 05:48 AM

Company didn't ship until 7/13, not too impressed with them at this point.
Weird. I placed an order on the third (bought two tubs) and it arrived on the fifth. ;s

icehog3

07-17-2012, 09:08 AM

Weird. I placed an order on the third (bought two tubs) and it arrived on the fifth. ;s

Was it purchased through "The Natural Health Shoppe" on Amazon Marketplace, Stephen?

Took them 8 days to even ship (if it was backordered, they should have told me). Then it got hung up in Indiana for 3 days....looks like it's finally on the move again today.

RobR1205

07-17-2012, 09:30 AM

Stephen

07-17-2012, 12:08 PM

Was it purchased through "The Natural Health Shoppe" on Amazon Marketplace, Stephen?

Took them 8 days to even ship (if it was backordered, they should have told me). Then it got hung up in Indiana for 3 days....looks like it's finally on the move again today.
No sir, I purchased directly from Amazon (Prime member; free two day shipping). I went and looked at, "The Naturall Health Shoppe" on Amazon and noticed that they have this blurb under their produts:

Processing takes an additional 4 to 5 days for orders from this seller.
Ships from and sold by The Natural Health Shoppe. Gift-wrap available.

*edit* Looking around, it doesn't even look like Amazon is selling it directly now. Bastages.

icehog3

07-17-2012, 03:07 PM

*edit* Looking around, it doesn't even look like Amazon is selling it directly now. Bastages.

Thanks, Stephen...yup, I didn't have the option to buy it direct, possibly because one of the ingredients has been banned by the FDA?

icehog3

07-17-2012, 03:09 PM

Really wierd...I experienced the same problem with that distributor when I bought Beta Alanine

Funny....the day after I bought it, they provided a USPS Delivery Confirmation number.

That number was no good, and when I e-mailed them, they sent me a completely different DC number. :confused:

zemekone

07-17-2012, 03:18 PM

tom pm me your addy... i have a bunch of samples for you

icehog3

07-17-2012, 03:32 PM

tom pm me your addy... i have a bunch of samples for you

Thanks, Brother! :D

RobR1205

07-17-2012, 03:41 PM

I was just going through pics on my facebook over the years...I haven't really noticed how much I've changed over the past year since I see myself in the mirror every day. I thought all you work out gurus would find this funny! So without further adu...

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o609/robertrubiano92/skinny2.jpg
Senior year, summer 2011, right before reporting into the Academy - 165 pounds

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o609/robertrubiano92/200.jpg
About 9 weeks ago - 193 pounds

Weighed myself today...200 pounds

Ender

07-17-2012, 06:53 PM

Darn, Man. Keep the good work.

RobR1205

07-17-2012, 08:14 PM

Thanks, please forgive the corny photos!

DBall

07-18-2012, 06:14 AM

Now I wanna go buy weight gainer...

Fordman4ever

07-18-2012, 07:20 PM

Awesome bro, keep up the great work.

icehog3

07-18-2012, 07:28 PM

hammondc

07-18-2012, 07:31 PM

Damn Rob, whats the total time between those 2 pics?

NM...I see it was about a year. How did you put on that much muscle that quickly?

RobR1205

07-18-2012, 08:15 PM

Damn Rob, whats the total time between those 2 pics?

NM...I see it was about a year. How did you put on that much muscle that quickly?

Eating a lot, but eating very well...I tried to cut as much junk food out of my diet as possible. Other than that, 2 bowls of spinach salad, 6 glasses of 2% milk, and sometimes weight gainer when I miss a meal are a daily staple of diet. 4-5 times a week in the gym! For 18 years I never walked into a weight room...so I really had nothing to lose to begin with :r

icehog3

07-22-2012, 08:03 PM

Tried the Muscle Marinade for the first time today. They recommended doing 1/2 scoop the first time, so I did a scoop and a half. ;)

Good workout, good pump, lots of sweat. Didn't make my heart race at all like some have described. I will put it in the rotation for a while and see how it fares in the long haul.

RobR1205

07-22-2012, 08:39 PM

I have been off preworkout supps for almost a 9 months now... anyone have any favorites or suggestions?

icehog3

07-22-2012, 10:36 PM

RobR1205

07-22-2012, 10:51 PM

Rob, seems to me that somehow they depend on body chemistry. I have some that work for me, but not for my friends at the gym, and vice versa. That being said, the ones in my rotation that work best for me are:

Creative Labs White Flood
Nutrex Hemo-Rage Utra
USP Labs Jack3d

Good point, I've been asking around and trying to see which names and brands come up frequently. From there, I can begin experimenting with some narrowed down choices to see what i like the best. Thanks for the advice! :tu

icehog3

07-22-2012, 10:53 PM

Hope any of the ones I recommended work for you if you try them. :)

Angry_Pirate

07-22-2012, 10:54 PM

Nitric oxide has always worked well for me it works well stacked with creatine but I prefer it without the creatine. The original N02 by MRI is great but pricey. I use the GNC powder much cheaper and more servings per container. Gives a great pump!

Adriftpanda

07-23-2012, 05:36 PM

Took too much N'Sane today, the scoops are big already but decided to take an extra scoop and damn did it did wonders.

Been switching from that and Jack 3D and from time to time using 1MR.

Chest/abs today.

Super sets: Incline DB press 4x10 - Incline DB flys

Flat DB press 4x10

Pec dec 4x12,10,8,8 with rest pause.

Adriftpanda

07-24-2012, 04:30 PM

Back day, gawd it sucked.

Been doing a lot of negatives and I love it.

Ender

07-24-2012, 05:28 PM

Back day, gawd it sucked.

Been doing a lot of negatives and I love it.

Did back day also....it also sucked. The only negatives today were in my attitude. Almost skipped shrugs I was so tired. Super set with abs too. I hate doing ab work but now that I've been doing abs more consistently, though, I've gotta say...still hate ab work.

GreekGodX

07-26-2012, 08:59 AM

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/GreekGodX/dar-add1.jpg
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area51

07-26-2012, 11:59 PM

Lets rant for a minute. A co-worker is always coming to me for advice on lifting, actually before I go there this cat is over weight and fails to acknowledge that his eating habits are horrible at best. Anyway he's always coming to me talking about the newest supplement he's trying but refuses to go to the gym unless someone is pushing him to do so. After his lack of gains wants to tell me about how hit routine isn't working and he needs supplement x,y,z when really all he needs is a solid diet and needs to actually go to the gym. Stacking protein with a thermogenic is pretty counter productive when your already 10lbs over weight. I don't even know how to address him anymore without flat out saying, your doing it wrong bro.

icehog3

07-27-2012, 12:30 AM

Tell him that, Ken, maybe it will give him the push he needs.

Took today off to let my lower back loosen up, skating tonight helped. I may take one more day off, I have another game tomorrow...hoping if I do, it will be near 100% by Saturday.

mosesbotbol

07-27-2012, 07:20 AM

I would always put routine and dedication over suppliments and science. Weight lifting is about... lifting weights; not powder shakes. Not saying they don't play a part, but that is not the main course - so to speak.

icehog3

07-27-2012, 10:35 AM

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s116/GreekGodX/dar-add1.jpg
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http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/squat.jpg

Ender

07-27-2012, 04:42 PM

Gross. Her calves are bigger than my thighs...yes I have skinny legs. I'm working on that.

icehog3

07-27-2012, 04:43 PM

Gross?

Oh, Andrew....maybe we can help you out at the Shack. :r

Ender

07-27-2012, 07:39 PM

Well, more so the thighs. Thighs that huge are not attractive to me. Her's are way too....unfeminine.

TNT009

07-27-2012, 09:00 PM

That gal was sexy no ways about it, crush me, please!

mosesbotbol

07-27-2012, 10:10 PM

That gal was sexy no ways about it, crush me, please!

She's way over the top hot...

GreekGodX

07-30-2012, 08:25 PM

For those that want to get Jack3d for $13.95 shipped.
http://slickdeals.net/f/4948012-Jack3d-13-95-Shipped-AC-After-Eversave-Deal

Looks like there is a bit of work involved but seems worth it.

icehog3

07-30-2012, 11:38 PM

Thank you, Christos! Took a few minutes, but what a great price. :D

Stephen

08-01-2012, 06:19 AM

Thank you, Christos! Took a few minutes, but what a great price. :D
Ditto. I picked up a canister, as did my parents (for me). Pretty sweet deal, basically getting two canisters for the price of one, especially since they're quickly going to be hard to find. I need to get my arse in gear and start stockpiling some of this stuff.

massphatness

08-03-2012, 09:31 AM

Why I don't lift ...

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/wgva4t1fNhOtvRAsYIt8lQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusolyexperts/292824-south-korean-weightlifter-jaehyouk-sa.jpg

icehog3

08-03-2012, 01:21 PM

Bummer. :eek:

Stephen

08-03-2012, 02:31 PM

Why I don't lift ...
That's the only reason? ;)

massphatness

08-03-2012, 06:57 PM

That plus my supreme fatness.

And I'm a teencie bit lazy.
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jdakine

08-11-2012, 03:29 AM

After years of not going to the gym, Monday was my first day back. Started eating low fat foods to help manage gout 4 weeks ago and have lost 10 lbs so far and no gout issues so far.

icehog3

08-11-2012, 07:58 AM

Good deal, Jay! Good luck with the workouts!

jdakine

08-11-2012, 12:45 PM

Good deal, Jay! Good luck with the workouts!

Mahalo Tom :)

Adriftpanda

08-14-2012, 06:10 PM

Leg day today, leg days are the worse.

RobR1205

08-14-2012, 07:47 PM

Ran the PFE (Physical Fitness Evaluation) today, which consists of push ups, sit ups, and and mile and a half run. Gave it my all, but now I'm exhausted!

Ender

08-24-2012, 11:20 PM

Sooo, a bacon cheese burger, chili cheese fries and a milk shake 20 minutes before the chest day at the gym....not a good idea.

icehog3

08-25-2012, 02:02 AM

Sooo, a bacon cheese burger, chili cheese fries and a milk shake 20 minutes before the chest day at the gym....not a good idea.

No blood left for your pecs, it was all in your stomach digesting that feast. :r

Heavy back day today, weighted pulls ups, bent over rows to 315, and heavy cable rows.....and no fries before or after. ;)

Adriftpanda

08-25-2012, 05:43 AM

No blood left for your pecs, it was all in your stomach digesting that feast. :r

Heavy back day today, weighted pulls ups, bent over rows to 315, and heavy cable rows.....and no fries before or after. ;)

Wow that's fuggin insane brother. PED doing the trick :tu

Heavy shoulder day today. Started doing the "Four Up Four Down" program off Flexonline.com (last week of it) and I saw a huge improvement all around. Shoulders and legs especially. 6 rep max was 80lb DB press and now I'm up to 90lb DB press. 6 rep max for squat went from 315 to 350.

icehog3

08-25-2012, 09:07 AM

Nice gains, Huy....gotta love legal PEDs. :)

jdakine

08-25-2012, 11:10 AM

Completed my 3rd week of going back into the gym, taking it slow and easy at this point. Moving up real slow as not to trigger old injury in my left elbow. I have lost a solid 15 lbs so far, so far so good:)

Adriftpanda

08-25-2012, 11:22 AM

Nice gains, Huy....gotta love legal PEDs. :)

Thanks brother. Damn I miss 3-1 dimeth. products though. I should have stocked up.

Completed my 3rd week of going back into the gym, taking it slow and easy at this point. Moving up real slow as not to trigger old injury in my left elbow. I have lost a solid 15 lbs so far, so far so good:)

Very Nice, Jay. Keep up the work.

Ender

08-25-2012, 05:44 PM

No blood left for your pecs, it was all in your stomach digesting that feast. :r

It was back day. And it sucked. Bent over rows were not my friend. It could have been worse though...the local brewery down the street from the burger joint was calling my name.

Stephen

08-25-2012, 05:53 PM

jdakine

08-25-2012, 07:36 PM

Wow that's fuggin insane brother. PED doing the trick :tu

Heavy shoulder day today. Started doing the "Four Up Four Down" program off Flexonline.com (last week of it) and I saw a huge improvement all around. Shoulders and legs especially. 6 rep max was 80lb DB press and now I'm up to 90lb DB press. 6 rep max for squat went from 315 to 350.

Nice gains Huy, keep up the good work :tu

Adriftpanda

08-28-2012, 03:38 PM

Leg days are the worst. Lunges = hell.

Ender

08-28-2012, 09:51 PM

Leg days are the worst. Lunges = hell.

I agree. But if there's anyone here that can't afford to miss them its me.

zemekone

08-28-2012, 09:53 PM

Leg days are the worst. Lunges = hell.

i love leg day!
Squat
1x5@ 60% 1 rep max
1x3@ 70% 1 rep max
1x1@ 85% 1 rep max
Good mornings 5x10-15
Legpress 5x10-15
Box jumps 2x10
Hanging leg raises 5x10
cardio:
treadmill 10mph 10% incline 9 sets of 15sec after each set make sure you bring your heartrate back to 120bpm

hammondc

08-29-2012, 01:47 PM

Ideas for dumbbell/bodyweight exercises to develop lower chest? I am already doing the following chest circuit X 3, but feel most of the burn in upper chest and top/outer edge of the pectoralis. I do not want to turn out like the freaks with pointy pecs.

Standard Pushup x 30
Incline bench - 45lb dumbell X 10
Wide pushup X 30
Flat Bench - 45lb dumbell X 10
Flat bench dumbell Flys

I need to get those 50LB Dumbells.

mosesbotbol

08-29-2012, 01:50 PM

Ideas for dumbbell/bodyweight exercises to develop lower chest?

How about dips where you concentrate on the angle of your torso to handles; honing in on the chest more than the tri's?

Decline presses are the most common lower chest exercise, but I am not fan of them.

hammondc

08-29-2012, 01:54 PM

I am working out at home, so I do not have parallel bars. I may try the kitchen counter. I am not a fan of declines either. I always slide down the bench.

Nope....kitchen counter wont work. No room to lean in.

icehog3

08-29-2012, 02:13 PM

How about dips where you concentrate on the angle of your torso to handles; honing in on the chest more than the tri's?

Decline presses are the most common lower chest exercise, but I am not fan of them.

Agree on both counts....Used to do dips between a washer and a dryer in college when that's all I had.

hammondc

08-29-2012, 02:24 PM

I guess I need to find a place to do dips then.

hammondc

08-29-2012, 03:13 PM

I was running low on a few supplements so I stocked up. When things started showing up I laughed and called myself a meathead. Snapped a photo of what all arrived on one day last week because of the absurdity (and no, more stuff showed up later that week :r).
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7121/7860326662_be0507f805_c.jpg

Nice haul. What do do you think of the Hydro Whey? I am using GNC Wheybolic Extreme right now. May try something else as the price just went up $7 for 3lb.

DBall

08-29-2012, 04:11 PM

jdakine

08-29-2012, 06:39 PM

i love leg day!
Squat
1x5@ 60% 1 rep max
1x3@ 70% 1 rep max
1x1@ 85% 1 rep max
Good mornings 5x10-15
Legpress 5x10-15
Box jumps 2x10
Hanging leg raises 5x10
cardio:
treadmill 10mph 10% incline 9 sets of 15sec after each set make sure you bring your heartrate back to 120bpm

This is why your the Master/teacher and Huy is grasshopper:D

Adriftpanda

08-29-2012, 06:43 PM

This is why your the Master/teacher and Huy is grasshopper:D

:fu2

Arms today, blasted them. Time to do some HIIT.

Ender

08-29-2012, 06:45 PM

First day with a personal trainer... learned a few new things (one of which being that close grip presses and EMOM gasses you QUICK). Cool stuff, but I wouldn't want to do them without a spotter because it seems easy to get stuck.

Yeah, I think close grip bench works pretty well for the center chest and triceps. But I get a spotter any time I can because my wrists are so scrawny and they're tough for me.

DBall

08-29-2012, 07:01 PM

Yeah, I think close grip bench works pretty well for the center chest and triceps. But I get a spotter any time I can because my wrists are so scrawny and they're tough for me.

They weren't that close... they were more difficult on the shoulders because the lift used those muscles more. Perhaps I used the wrong technical term, but my hands were spaced pretty much straight from the shoulders (seemed like 9" apart, maybe...?). The EMOM was regular press width apart.

Adriftpanda

08-29-2012, 07:37 PM

I did close grip presses today as well. Only 2x15, I get a great tricep workout from it. Dealing with some tendonitis on the right elbow so I'm limited to what I can do when it comes to triceps, but that's one exercise I get in.

Just did my 20 min of HIIT (6x100 yards sprints and 3x60 seconds jump ropes) I hate cardio so I do HIIT instead.

RobR1205

08-29-2012, 07:38 PM

Yeah, I think close grip bench works pretty well for the center chest and triceps. But I get a spotter any time I can because my wrists are so scrawny and they're tough for me.

I too, have weak wrists. When I want to work my center chest and tris on a barbell, I flip my palms from out (like a normal bench press) inward so that they are facing behind me. You'll likely need a spotter because it is awkward to take off the rack, but after about 5-6 reps of medium weight, you really feel the burn! It eliminates the need to keep your wrists so close together and put strain on them.

zemekone

08-29-2012, 10:18 PM

Deadlift:
1x5@ 60% 1 rep max
1x3@ 70% 1 rep max
1x1@ 85% 1 rep max
stiff leg deadlifts 5x10-15
Leg press 5x10-15
Box jumps 2x10
Hanging leg raises 5x10
cardio:
treadmill 10mph 10% incline 9 sets of 15sec after each set make sure you bring your heartrate back to 120bpm

funny, today someone asked me if i do cardio, i sed yeah, they sed i do like 30 min a day i sed 2 and a half min later on today :hm

i then had to explain my cardio...

mosesbotbol

08-30-2012, 07:59 AM

Agree on both counts....Used to do dips between a washer and a dryer in college when that's all I had.

Front deltoids - lifting a cinder block in the mirror.

hammondc

08-30-2012, 08:04 AM

Front deltoids - lifting a cinder block in the mirror.

http://i.qkme.me/35iuf8.jpg

mosesbotbol

08-30-2012, 08:31 AM

http://i.qkme.me/35iuf8.jpg

Yes, actually. Doing front raises with a 25-45 plate, holding on the radius with hands, starting from the navel and lifting, letting gravity push the weight down up until the center of the plate is just above the head.

I find plates (or cinder block) being better than using two dumbbells (easier to hold and lift). Not much weight is needed for front raises if done correct.

hammondc

08-30-2012, 08:43 AM

Cool. I'll have to try it.

mosesbotbol

08-30-2012, 08:46 AM

Cool. I'll have to try it.

Going slow to let the weight fight you is key. Try a 25 lb first and do 10 slow. Decide from there if 35 or 45 is needed. Small muscle group, but stands out visually so you'll see results in no time if this is a regular exercise.

gorob23

08-30-2012, 09:19 AM

i then had to explain my cardio...

Explain THIS ! :gary

Rob :tf

jkim05

08-30-2012, 09:54 AM

Been getting back into a regular routine after having a busy summer, hopefully I'll be able to keep it up as grad school ramps up. Back/Bis today.

hammondc

08-30-2012, 10:42 AM

Going slow to let the weight fight you is key. Try a 25 lb first and do 10 slow. Decide from there if 35 or 45 is needed. Small muscle group, but stands out visually so you'll see results in no time if this is a regular exercise.

I will for sure work it in tomorrow. I do the overhead lat raises now with light dumbbells (hands by side raising out to the side and then overhead and back down). This should fit in nicely.

icehog3

08-30-2012, 01:12 PM

tom pm me your addy... i have a bunch of samples for you

:(

zemekone

08-30-2012, 01:42 PM

:(

ill get it to you i been putting in those 10hr days i owe you and huy some :hn

Stephen

08-30-2012, 01:59 PM

Nice haul. What do do you think of the Hydro Whey? I am using GNC Wheybolic Extreme right now. May try something else as the price just went up $7 for 3lb.
I've never picked up Hydrowhey so I can't speak of it. I found Hydrobuilder on sale a few weeks ago and had always been curious to try it. Has lots of good stuff in there (has both Hyrdolyzed and Casein protein, BCAA's, and creapure off the top of my head) and, surprisingly enough, tastes pretty good also (went with vanilla bean).

icehog3

08-30-2012, 02:06 PM

ill get it to you i been putting in those 10hr days i owe you and huy some :hn

Just ribbin' ya, My Brother. Hope to see you at the Fall Classic. :D Ganz says "woof". :)

Ender

08-30-2012, 04:02 PM

They weren't that close... they were more difficult on the shoulders because the lift used those muscles more. Perhaps I used the wrong technical term, but my hands were spaced pretty much straight from the shoulders (seemed like 9" apart, maybe...?). The EMOM was regular press width apart.

Yeah I keep my hands close so thumb knuckle touches nipple....he he...nipple.

icehog3

08-30-2012, 04:09 PM

Andrew said "nipple". Twice. My pants are too tight.

Adriftpanda

08-30-2012, 04:17 PM

ill get it to you i been putting in those 10hr days i owe you and huy some :hn

:noon

GreekGodX

08-30-2012, 08:34 PM

mosesbotbol

08-31-2012, 07:05 AM

I find the name of "close-grip bench press" to be misleading. For me the key to targeting your triceps using a bench press is to keep your elbows tucked in to your sides. Shoulder width grip takes all the unnecessary strain off your shoulders and wrists.

There are also serveral other exercises that target the tri's better with less risk of injury.

RobR1205

08-31-2012, 08:31 AM

I find the name of "close-grip bench press" to be misleading. For me the key to targeting your triceps using a bench press is to keep your elbows tucked in to your sides. Shoulder width grip takes all the unnecessary strain off your shoulders and wrists.

Hmm... Will this method instead today! Even though I usually don't do them, I think I took "close grip" too literally!

mosesbotbol

08-31-2012, 08:55 AM

3-4 fist width apart is enough to get the tri's.

RobR1205

08-31-2012, 01:42 PM

Roger that! thanks for tip...off to the gym now to try it

jdakine

08-31-2012, 05:11 PM

Did shoulders last night and had a good work out. First time my joints don't hurt, finally getting used to the routine.

Adriftpanda

09-01-2012, 04:06 AM

Did shoulders last night and had a good work out. First time my joints don't hurt, finally getting used to the routine.

Glucosamine/chondroitin. :tu

Had a killer back work out today. Weighted pull ups have become my favorite back exercise by far.

DBall

09-01-2012, 10:07 AM

Personal training yesterday focusing on back. EMOM pull ups (5x) for 10 minutes, bent over rows, flys, wide/natural grip cable rows, lat pull downs, more pull ups to finish.

zemekone

09-01-2012, 10:52 AM

high volume back day:
Deadlift 5x15
One arm rows 5x10
Weighted pullups 60
Leg curls 5x10-15
Box jumps 2x10
Hanging legraises 5x10

icehog3

09-01-2012, 01:29 PM

Seated Barbell Military, 6 sets from 135 - 225

Barbell Shrugs, 5 sets from 225 - 405

Dumbbell Shrugs, 3 sets from 130 - 150

zemekone

09-01-2012, 01:33 PM

Seated Barbell Military, 6 sets from 135 - 225

Barbell Shrugs, 5 sets from 225 - 405

Dumbbell Shrugs, 3 sets from 130 - 150

i like that... stright and to the point

icehog3

09-01-2012, 01:45 PM

i like that... stright and to the point

Just the basics most days, don't need any fancy schmancy exercises at my age. :lr

Adriftpanda

09-01-2012, 02:28 PM

Savage. 225 military press.

Adriftpanda

09-03-2012, 03:22 PM

Chest day today.

(super set)
4x8 incline db 60 - 100
4x8 flat db 70 - 100

(super set)
4x10 butterfly machine
weighted dips - to failure

3 sets of pushups to failure.

10 min of abs

PS you know you're taking too much PW when your pee starts to smell like sour apple.

DBall

09-03-2012, 06:41 PM

Last day of personal training... Legs. Finally learned deadlifts (I wasn't going to do them until someone actually spent time showing me and I felt comfortable). Single leg extensions/curls were done as well... I had the "jello walk" going after all that. Probably gonna feel it tomorrow... :D

gorob23

09-03-2012, 07:42 PM

gorob23

09-03-2012, 07:43 PM

Did shoulders last night and had a good work out. First time my joints don't hurt, finally getting used to the routine.

HEY I KNOW THAT DUDE :D

Please change his avatar to read correctly

"Maui Jay"

Rob ;s

Adriftpanda

09-04-2012, 12:36 AM

No Hoops?????

Rob ;s

Nope. Not today. You been practicing for the game of the century? Jose vs Rob

jdakine

09-04-2012, 12:48 AM

HEY I KNOW THAT DUDE :D

Please change his avatar to read correctly

"Maui Jay"

Rob ;s

Mr. Gorob23,
Hozzit my Brudda. Hope you had a nice 3 day weekend.

Jdakine:)

Chest & tri's
What's so hard about starting up again after 8 to 10 year out of the gym, is the fact that I'm week as sh***t. The good news is that I'm making small gains and I got my body weight under 250 this past week. Only taking a multi day vitamin, no other supplements at this time.

jkim05

09-10-2012, 06:22 PM

Legs day today, probably shouldn't have played soccer and basketball earlier, but oh well, it's better than sitting around on my ass.

Adriftpanda

09-11-2012, 03:58 PM

4 days off... felt forever. Glad my vacation is over.

Chest day today.

4x12 cable fly
4x10 incline db

super set: weighted dips to failure/cable cross-over

4x10,8,8,6 DB bench

10 minutes of jump rope/abs

Ender

09-11-2012, 07:18 PM

4 days off... felt forever. Glad my vacation is over.

Chest day today.

That's way hard core.

Adriftpanda

09-11-2012, 07:21 PM

That's way hard core.

I brought my jump rope with me but used it only on the first day...

Being in Vegas for 4 days is not vacation. All the booze and food is not the business.

RobR1205

09-11-2012, 08:42 PM

Anyone here know some good things to keep in mind when on a weight lifting break?

I've been working out about 4-5 times a week since July without any long breaks. I just underwent surgery, which requires me to avoid heavy lifting for 1-2 weeks to prevent ripping the stitches. Right now, I'm taking my multivitamins, a couple servings of Syntha-6 (protein), and two servings of BCAAs each day until I can lift again.

Any comments or suggestions? Thanks! :)

Adriftpanda

09-11-2012, 09:26 PM

Sometimes rest is your friend. 1-2 weeks will not kill you.

mosesbotbol

09-12-2012, 10:28 AM

Check out the guns on this guy 31" Tri's are really creepy, like "lunch lady arms"....

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01582/pop_main_1582807a.jpg

icehog3

09-12-2012, 11:29 AM

As much as I wanted to be as big as possible when I was younger, that's hideous, Moses.

zemekone

09-12-2012, 11:40 AM

Sometimes rest is your friend. 1-2 weeks will not kill you.

i take a week off every 5/6ish week to deload. I basicaly just stick to active rest i.e. run, jiu jitsu, swim, basketball...

mosesbotbol

09-12-2012, 01:50 PM

As much as I wanted to be as big as possible when I was younger, that's hideous, Moses.

Not my ideal either. I met Nasser El Sonbaty about 13 years ago and man was that guy big. When I first saw him, I was scared! Like a little kid seeing doctor with a syringe! Even out of competition he was freaky big. I use to describe him as “Imagine the largest huge muscle man on TV, and then add 60 lbs. of muscle…”

http://joeabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/nasser_el_sonbaty.jpg

icehog3

09-12-2012, 01:55 PM

Much more impressive than the 31" doughballs. :tu

Adriftpanda

09-12-2012, 05:28 PM

Killed backs today, man it felt good. Weighted pull ups are easily the most effective back work outs for me.

jdakine

09-12-2012, 07:39 PM

When I traveled to Thailand before I met my wife, I used to work out at Universe Gym in Pattaya. Part owner was Dennis James, another massive guy and would see him there working out. No A/C, 98 degres, some fans going, hot like hell, but one hell of a work and I would drink 2 bottles of water.

hammondc

09-12-2012, 08:21 PM

Chest/Arms/Back today. I have gotten where I do this workout every other day.

Circuit 1 (3 times)
30 wide pushups
Incline dumbell press
30 Military pushups
Flat dumbell press
Flat wide flys

Circuit 2 (3 times)
Standing bicep curls
Overhead tricep extensions
16 wide grip pull-ups (with one foot on a chair if needed)
Deltoids lifting dumbells straight in front then out to side - 9 reps each
Bent over bicep curls 10 reps

Stephen

09-13-2012, 07:04 AM

Check out the guns on this guy 31" Tri's are really creepy, like "lunch lady arms"....

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01582/pop_main_1582807a.jpg
Must be cheaper to buy synthol by the pallet...

Adriftpanda

09-14-2012, 04:14 AM

Shoulders and abs yesterday.

Sat in the sauna afterwards for about 15 min, that sucked.

Adriftpanda

09-14-2012, 06:57 PM

Did arms today. Super sets work best for me when it comes to arms.

jdakine

09-15-2012, 10:04 PM

Struggle today, but made to the gym. If it wasn't for the fact that my wife had me take the dog to the groomer, not sure I would have gone. Feel better that did, just tired, long work week.
30 min cardio
Shoulders

GreekGodX

09-16-2012, 05:22 AM

For any old formula Jack3d fans 2 tubs plus a shaker cup for $41.99 with free shipping use code JACK12. Makes me want to use it again.

http://www.fitrx.com/fitrx/fitrx_result.asp?operation=Find&i_desc=26739&i_brand=0&i_pagesize=10

icehog3

09-16-2012, 02:37 PM

FitRX is a good company, their retail store is about 2 minutes from my house, and their customer service is good as well.

Adriftpanda

09-17-2012, 12:59 AM

Sold out :(

DBall

09-17-2012, 05:43 AM

I think I'd be interested in trying something like that, not sure how I'd react to it, though. Do any places have single serve sample packs of it or anything? I'd hate to buy a tub of it and not be able to use it...

Adriftpanda

09-17-2012, 11:19 AM

DBall

09-17-2012, 11:25 AM

Almost every shop gives out free samples, Dan. Just go in and ask.

PS nice hair cut gq.

They do? Of Jack3d and stuff like that? Hmm... I think I may have to check that out.. any suggestions? Need to buy more carb powder soon anyway.

Thanks!

Adriftpanda

09-17-2012, 11:50 AM

They do? Of Jack3d and stuff like that? Hmm... I think I may have to check that out.. any suggestions? Need to buy more carb powder soon anyway.

Thanks!

Maybe not Jack3d because it has been banned by the FDA because of an ingredient named 1,3 dymethylamylamine (SP) or DMAA. Almost, if not all products that contain the DMAA has been banned.

But there are still products out there that do not contain any DMAA and still work fine.

RobR1205

09-18-2012, 10:18 PM

Just hit the gym last night (Chest, tri, shoulder) and tonight (Leg, Abs) after getting surgery a week ago. It felt good, but went a little easier than normal so as to not rip any stitches. Luckily, the incision (which is only a couple of inches long) is healing quickly.

DBall

09-22-2012, 08:21 AM

Legs yesterday... being pretty new to deads, I felt my understanding of the movement and my form was good... they felt 'right'. Glad to be able to add those into my routine.

icehog3

09-22-2012, 03:59 PM

Back to the gym today, and back it was. Heavy T-Bar rows, high rep Bent Over Rows and some pull-up work....good day back, pun intended. :ze

gorob23

09-23-2012, 10:43 AM

I went shopping does that count ????

Rob :tu

icehog3

09-23-2012, 02:45 PM

I went shopping does that count ????

Rob :tu

Depends on what you bought. ;)

Chest day today....Heavy inclines, moderate, high-rep flat bench and weighted dips.

2 hockey games tonight, tomorrow will be a light day in the gym.

RobR1205

09-23-2012, 02:50 PM

"Pull" day...Upper back and lats, biceps, and traps. Went heavy on the Pull downs and barbell rows. Trying to move away from straight bicep curls and work bis using compound exercises.

RobR1205

09-23-2012, 02:59 PM

I went shopping does that count ????

Rob :tu

Depends who you were with...

Personally, when mom and sister ask if I want to go shopping, this is what comes to mind:
http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o609/robertrubiano92/2qdo4yx_zps14aa3745.jpg

This is a workout alone! :r

icehog3

09-24-2012, 06:22 PM

tom pm me your addy... i have a bunch of samples for you

:(

jdakine

09-24-2012, 09:23 PM

Well my lower back decided to freak out last week. Doc thinks I might have a stone and that is causing the lower back pain, yuk. Not sure I want to be right, but don't need this to be 2 separate issues. Going to try and get some cardio in tonight after work, but no weights.

Adriftpanda

09-29-2012, 05:40 AM

Hope you recover fast, Jay.

Had a nice workout week. 120 db row 4x6 was the highlight of my week, never thought I could do that much but surprised the crap out of myself. Started on a new prework out, Nitraflex. Stuff works I tell ya. 2 days to rest up. Herf day!

DBall

10-02-2012, 09:21 AM

Weighed 150 yesterday and put up 195 on flat bench for a new PR. I almost had it twice... I think I could do over 200 now! I'll find out in a couple weeks... :D

mosesbotbol

10-02-2012, 10:10 AM

I think I could do over 200 now! I'll find out in a couple weeks... :D

You got that like nothing!

zemekone

10-02-2012, 11:00 AM

Weighed 150 yesterday and put up 195 on flat bench for a new PR. I almost had it twice... I think I could do over 200 now! I'll find out in a couple weeks... :D

congrats man!

You got that like nothing!

:tpd:

mosesbotbol

10-02-2012, 01:44 PM

Adriftpanda

10-02-2012, 04:39 PM

Weighed 150 yesterday and put up 195 on flat bench for a new PR. I almost had it twice... I think I could do over 200 now! I'll find out in a couple weeks... :D

Beasting it! Must be the new hair cut ;)

Another back day for me.

gorob23

10-03-2012, 11:11 AM

The big jump from 195 is really 225.

I can do that in one weekend :gary Still sick waiting for Sat 10:30-11 am :tu

Rob :tf

zemekone

10-03-2012, 11:15 AM

I can do that in one weekend :gary Still sick waiting for Sat 10:30-11 am :tu

Rob :tf

dont you mean 700 ;s

icehog3

10-03-2012, 12:21 PM

dont you mean 700 ;s

Where's my samples? :(

Adriftpanda

10-03-2012, 01:27 PM

Where's my samples? :(

:tpd: lol

Adriftpanda

10-03-2012, 05:13 PM

I use to love leg days but eff that. Leg days, not the business.

DBall

10-04-2012, 07:41 AM

The big jump from 195 is really 225. Doing two plates a side is the start of the next level.

If you can 200 without much fanfare, get ready for 225 ASAP, within two weeks you should be able to do it once based on what I have read so far.

2 weeks, eh? I don't know... that's a good amount of weight for a guy my size. That said, it's been my "far and away" goal for a while. I will be quite happy if/when I put that up.

BigCat

10-04-2012, 08:13 AM

I just wanted to pop in and share with you guys who directed me to the delicious rocky road flavored ON whey protein (Tom, mostly) that I branched out and ordered the limited release chocolate coconut recently and it is AWESOME! Highly recommended. It has great flavor and good consistency, even in water.

mosesbotbol

10-04-2012, 09:39 AM

2 weeks, eh? I don't know... that's a good amount of weight for a guy my size. That said, it's been my "far and away" goal for a while. I will be quite happy if/when I put that up.

Do you keep you legs elevated during bench or on the ground? It's really important not curve your back or squirm around even if it's a negative impact on your max attempt.

I assume you'll use (or better be using) a spot on your attempt. I remember in high school is when I first lift 225 and was about a week from my 205 bench.

Make sure to warm up. Walk 10 minutes at 3.5 mph on treadmill. Do a set with 135 (10-12 reps). A "gauge your potential lift" with 185 and then go for it. Even if the spot does a significant amount to help, at least mentally you went through it and know how much more you'll need to do to clean on your own merit.

icehog3

10-04-2012, 09:43 AM

Glad you're diggin' the ON, Colin. I have tried a couple new flavors (Cake Batter, for instance), but still love the RR best. Not going to try the limited release, though, don't care for the taste of coconut. :)

DBall

10-05-2012, 09:41 AM

Do you keep you legs elevated during bench or on the ground? It's really important not curve your back or squirm around even if it's a negative impact on your max attempt.

I am very careful to make sure my form is good and part of that is keeping my back straight and not using my legs, although I do keep them on the ground when I lift heavier weights.

I assume you'll use (or better be using) a spot on your attempt. I remember in high school is when I first lift 225 and was about a week from my 205 bench.

I use a spotter when I get up to and over 175... I hate getting stuck under weight...

Did deads yesterday... 3rd time ever doing them, did 225... I think I'll be able to get a little better once I get more used to using those muscles. I felt like I did them properly form-wise, though... no sore back today... :)

mosesbotbol

10-05-2012, 10:26 AM

Did deads yesterday... 3rd time ever doing them, did 225... I think I'll be able to get a little better once I get more used to using those muscles. I felt like I did them properly form-wise, though... no sore back today... :)

Too risky for me. Even though the reward is big from doing them, one bad lift can set you back 2+ months... 225 is a lot to dead lift considering where you are with benching... Be careful, can't stress that enough.

My chiropractor has made some good money off of people doing dead lifts, but the even bigger one to avoid is the kettle ball. This is a big money maker for him. He says he's just about to hand out a business card to anyone doing it in the gym. Kettle ball took me out for over 2 months. Sciatic pain was unreal after just the slightest form change...

jdakine

10-07-2012, 04:12 AM

I'm out for a while. Tried to play golf while in Montana and f-ck my back up good. Been out of work this whole week taking meds and still not right. It's better than when I got back to the Island, but far from good. Never had back issues before, Father Time is catching up with me. This sucks.......