Pumping Iron with Zemekone and Icehog3

[mosesbotbol]

4-5 days, awesome, better than I was hoping for Moses.

Any updates?

[Mugen910]

AM weekend workouts suck....hope everyone is achieving their exercise goals.
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[GreekGodX]

Did a modified Dogcrapp workout today....not strict DC, as I felt like I needed a little more volume, but after my two heavy drop sets (dropping reps, not weight), I only did a total of 9 sets for chest before doing the extreme stretching finish. Really feel like I trashed (in a good way) my pecs, going to do something similiar for back tomorrow. If the gains come steady, I will tweak the workouts as I go along to be truer to the DC profile....just tough to lower the volume so much after so many years, but I am trying to give it a go.

This past week I've been adding the extreme stretching to my current workout and I noticed a big difference. Plus I wanted to get acquainted with the smith machines in case I have to use one. Thinking I'm going to start a full DC program today. It is going to be very weird having such a short workout.

[DBall]

AM weekend workouts suck....hope everyone is achieving their exercise goals.
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c'mon... AM weekend workouts are the best... my only complaint is that my gym doesn't open til 8:30 on the weekends.........

[icehog3]

Any updates?

While I wasn't ready to fight Chara within 5 days, I do feel like there has already been significant improvement after about 12 days, Moses. I am going to keep with it a while and hope for even more. I have also been using a Cho-Pat brace for the tendonitis in my bicep, and the combination has healed the tendon about 75% so far, I would say. Thank you again for the supplement recommendation.

http://www.cho-pat-store.com/Overuse-Syndromes_ChoPbicep.html?source=google_TricepBrace&gclid=COimq_2-0q0CFSwBQAods0w8kw

This past week I've been adding the extreme stretching to my current workout and I noticed a big difference. Plus I wanted to get acquainted with the smith machines in case I have to use one. Thinking I'm going to start a full DC program today. It is going to be very weird having such a short workout.

Looking forward to hearing how your results go on full DC, Son.

[GreekGodX]

I'm actually hoping I won't have to use smith machines all that often. I got a classmate that wants to workout with me but I've gone through that song and dance many times :td

The one aspect I'm excited for is "beating the logbook". Makes working out a lot more interesting week to week.

[icehog3]

I agree about the logbook, haven't used one for decades but it might actually be motivating for me at this point.

You may want to change your tune on the Smith machine, Son. Doing the working set of 8, 15 breaths, 4, 15 breaths. 2 might be a b!tch on, say, incline press or seated military press using the olympic bar alone. ;)

[GreekGodX]

I agree about the logbook, haven't used one for decades but it might actually be motivating for me at this point.

You may want to change your tune on the Smith machine, Son. Doing the working set of 8, 15 breaths, 4, 15 breaths. 2 might be a b!tch on, say, incline press or seated military press using the olympic bar alone. ;)

And you were completely right. Today I did incline bench on the smith machine and it saved my life. There would have been no way I could have done that with free weights. Seated military press was fine, I did it with dumbbells.

The sensation of stretching after going so heavy was very nice. It must release more endorphins because it felt so good. Or I just discovered I love pain :lr

[Mugen910]

c'mon... AM weekend workouts are the best... my only complaint is that my gym doesn't open til 8:30 on the weekends.........

U kidding? I ended up needing a nap after. Cardio wakes me up in the am but lifting just poops me out.
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[Ncpsycho]

Any one use superpump 250? Any suggestions on that or something better --used jack 3d but some people getting some health issues with it?

[Da Klugs]

Any updates?

Well.. news from the "little sisters of the poor" (me)....

Still have a regimen to stay fit vs become a monster like you folks.

175 Push ups in the morning
Hour on the airdyne in the evening
180 crunches with a variety of arm isometrics during
175 Push ups in the evening.

Cant do the leg lifts or sit ups due to the broken ribs for a few more weeks.

Probably as "fit" as I have been since HS. Thinking about joining a gym but just thinking about it, the "routine" I have is pretty optimal time wise in that there is no travel or set-up time involved.

Got back to the low 180's after the Holiday binge and lack of exercise due to the broken ribs for a couple weeks.. so happy about things. Being happy about whatever program you are on seems the most important thing.

[icehog3]

Any one use superpump 250? Any suggestions on that or something better --used jack 3d but some people getting some health issues with it?

Not a fan of SuperPump, though I will say that different people have different results, think body chemistry and tolerance to caffeine plays a role.

Things that have worked better for me:

Creative Labs White Flood
Nutrex Hemo Rage Ultra
BPI Sports 1.M.R
USPlabs Jack3d (never had any problems)

Some early success with BSN NoExplode, but I seem to get used to it very quickly.

[Ncpsycho]

Not a fan of SuperPump, though I will say that different people have different results, think body chemistry and tolerance to caffeine plays a role.

Things that have worked better for me:

Creative Labs White Flood
Nutrex Hemo Rage Ultra
BPI Sports 1.M.R
USPlabs Jack3d (never had any problems)

Some early success with BSN NoExplode, but I seem to get used to it very quickly.
Ive heard from multiple people that jack3d can hurt your sperm count and keep you flacid ..... Scared straight lol

[Ncpsycho]

Ive never tried hemo rage....might check it out

[icehog3]

Ive heard from multiple people that jack3d can hurt your sperm count and keep you flacid ..... Scared straight lol

I don't know about my sperm count, but I can tell you there is no problem with the other. Sounds like typical internet bullshit to me. :2

[mosesbotbol]

Still have a regimen to stay fit vs become a monster like you folks.

175 Push ups in the morning
Hour on the airdyne in the evening
180 crunches with a variety of arm isometrics during
175 Push ups in the evening.

That's impressive! Good for you.

[Mugen910]

Just for kicks I tried on my dress blues. It almost fits perfectly. Lol. Last time I put it on was 08 for a speeding ticket. I think i should start doing AM workouts to really get my metabolism going versus night workouts

Fyi Dave you are a beast.

[GreekGodX]

Ive heard from multiple people that jack3d can hurt your sperm count and keep you flacid ..... Scared straight lol

I don't know about my sperm count, but I can tell you there is no problem with the other. Sounds like typical internet bullshit to me. :2

If any product had any effect on "that", I would not be taking it. I agree with Tom.

[icehog3]

Second go-round of my modified DC training today. Took some Hemo-Rage Ultra, and hit all my goals for the day. So far, having fun with it and digging the effects.

[Hem]

I don't know about my sperm count, but I can tell you there is no problem with the other. Sounds like typical internet bullshit to me. :2

Agree with ice on that one but just a word of caution. If you are in any type of environment where you could possibly be drug tested, do NOT take Jack3d; You will test positive for methamphetamine. Left SuperPump250 and SizeOn(they changed their mixture, it's not as good as it used to be) and hopped on Cellucor's C4 Extreme while taking in some GNC BCAA's during workout and ANS Powermaxx for protien after. Happy with the results thus far.

[Mugen910]

jumped on the scale this am. I'm down 12lbs in 6 weeks. Progress is good! :wo

[icehog3]

Congrats Bao! :tu

DC training today on back. Working sets on T-Bar Rows. Did some extra volume with cables, and extreme stretching with 135 lbs tied around my waist. Digging the DC. :tu

[GreekGodX]

Congrats Bao! :tu

DC training today on back. Working sets on T-Bar Rows. Did some extra volume with cables, and extreme stretching with 135 lbs tied around my waist. Digging the DC. :tu

I haven't really gotten a good stretch on my back by hanging with weight tied to me. Maybe I need more weight :hm Last time did it with 55 pounds. I'll try more next time..

I think I did something to my wrist though :( Swelled up a few hours after benching heavy. Iced, heated, bengayed and repeated still hurts like hell and I definitely do not have full range of motion. It hurt a little while I was benching but as soon as I was done it went away. It was weird that all of a sudden it just came later on.

[icehog3]

Hopefully just a little tendon strain, Son?

I am doing the back stretching with as wide as a grip as I can get, and using a neutral grip as well. After a couple stretches to failure, I grip a horizontal stationary bar one arm at a time and pull my lat until is is completely stretched and on the verge of cramping. I seem to keep the lat pump for hours after that.

[GreekGodX]

Hopefully just a little tendon strain, Son?

I am doing the back stretching with as wide as a grip as I can get, and using a neutral grip as well. After a couple stretches to failure, I grip a horizontal stationary bar one arm at a time and pull my lat until is is completely stretched and on the verge of cramping. I seem to keep the lat pump for hours after that.

That's what I'm thinking. It should be better after some rest. I feel like I'm falling apart!

I've been doing the same for lat stretching, and I definitely get a better stretch when I do each side. I'll go wider and more weight next lat stretching session.

[Bill86]

Just got in some new supplements today. Never tried a pre-workout so I bought the DS Craze, also some Controlled Labs TRIad vitamins. Still using the BSN Syntha-6 as it's about the only good tasting protein I've found to date.

We'll see how they work. Giving the CRAZE a try right now, already starting to feel quite the energy boost 28 minutes in...another 12 and will see where I am at.

Doesn't taste great but it seems to be quite potent.

[icehog3]

Curious to hear how the Craze works, Bill, I haven't seen that one.

Optimum Nutrition (ON) Gold Standard Whey in Rocky Road flavor...tastes great even in water, and is a quality protein source. :tu

[Bill86]

Curious to hear how the Craze works, Bill, I haven't seen that one.

Optimum Nutrition (ON) Gold Standard Whey in Rocky Road flavor...tastes great even in water, and is a quality protein source. :tu

Noted. So far, and I don't work out nearly as much as some of you guys :D, I noticed a gain in reps. I'd say an extra 2-3 reps, I took the lowest dosage and I'll admit today I am exceptionally tired. Much better form too as I don't feel so tired and lazy.

I also noted a huge gain in focus, concentration and energy. Kinda feel a similar buzz to heavy dosages of caffeine or a bit of :al Without any headaches or dizzyness. It will definitely push me to being dead tired and feeling all kinds of overworked tomorrow.

I've never used a prework out before so YMMV but now I'm pretty sold on riding this one out and seeing where it takes me.

I ordered from Bodybuilding.com, which has free shipping right now, so it was $32 for 45 servings. It's a $49 minimum, but I ordered the vitamins too so I cleared that. I'm not taking 6 a day though, that's ridiculous :r It says you need to drink a gallon + of water a day so I figure cutting down the dosage will mean less water. I probably come close to that but not clearing it by a great margin.

[icehog3]

I was able to train bi's hard today for the first time in several weeks, the supplement Moses suggested and the use of the tendon brace seem to have healed my bi to a great extent. I will continue to use both to try and get the healing process complete. Didn't do the DC workout for bi's though, that would be pushing it a bit too hard, me thinks. Back to DC training on Tuesday.

[Bill86]

Tried Craze on the elliptical today. My usual duration was 15 minutes and I was spent. Did 30 minutes today, 1.3 miles. Still feel really good, I was able go much faster as well.

[Chainsaw13]

Optimum Nutrition (ON) Gold Standard Whey in Rocky Road flavor...tastes great even in water, and is a quality protein source. :tu

I'll have to remember that. I just got some of the ON Natural Whey in strawberry. Not too bad, but glad I only got 2 lbs.

[icehog3]

I'll have to remember that. I just got some of the ON Natural Whey in strawberry. Not too bad, but glad I only got 2 lbs.

I have tried maybe 6 or 7 flavors, Bob, and the Rocky Road is head and shoulders above the rest for flavor.

[BigCat]

I have tried maybe 6 or 7 flavors, Bob, and the Rocky Road is head and shoulders above the rest for flavor.

I bought it on your recommendation in this thread and I'll say it's the best protein powder I've ever tasted.

[icehog3]

I bought it on your recommendation in this thread and I'll say it's the best protein powder I've ever tasted.

Glad you liked it too, Colin! :tu

[icehog3]

Good DC back workout today, working sets of pullups with 30 lbs added, did some heavy DB rows for volume, and then my crazy stretching. Back is still pumped once again.

[mmblz]

off to TRX in a few.
where's Gerry anyway?

[Adriftpanda]

Haven't felt this good in a very long time. Started working out Monday and staying with a more strict diet.

I will now be subscribing to this thread!

[DBall]

Got a new high in military press (free weights with the bar) today: 95x5, 115x2 (failed on 3rd), 115x1, failed on 2nd), 95x8 to end it. Never put up 115 on that before... :noon

[icehog3]

Kickin' ass, Dan! :tu

[GreekGodX]

Got a new high in military press (free weights with the bar) today: 95x5, 115x2 (failed on 3rd), 115x1, failed on 2nd), 95x8 to end it. Never put up 115 on that before... :noon

That's awesome Dan :tu

Military Press is my weakness. Hate it. I'll warm up everything feels great then I get to 200 lbs and my body just shuts down. I'm working on it though

[Ncpsycho]

Gold standard isthe best whey on the market IMO .... Jusy started using Super pump max...loving it so far

[Adriftpanda]

Just got done with my first week. Man... haven't felt this good in a very long time. Although my legs feel like jello, it's well worth it.

[icehog3]

Keep it up, Huy.:tu

Was able to train my bi's heavy and hard today with no pain, so thank you to Moses for recommending the WOBENZYM N, and to the makes of the Cho Pat brace, looks like I am out of the woods (knocks on wood).

[GreekGodX]

Keep it up, Huy.:tu

Was able to train my bi's heavy and hard today with no pain, so thank you to Moses for recommending the WOBENZYM N, and to the makes of the Cho Pat brace, looks like I am out of the woods (knocks on wood).

Very nice Pops :tu

Tested my wrist hard today and it held up.. Finally got a good stretch in my lats. Hurt so good :)

[icehog3]

Glad to hear it, Son. :tu

Today is my day off in the new DC regimen, and I am fighting the urge to go train. If nothing else, the new routine has me jacked up mentally. Feels like it's getting results physically, too.

[mosesbotbol]

Keep it up, Huy.:tu

Was able to train my bi's heavy and hard today with no pain, so thank you to Moses for recommending the WOBENZYM N,

You're welcome. :tu

[icehog3]

First "repeated" workout today since starting the DogCrap program, and I was able to beat my previous workout, which is the goal. Added 15 pounds to incline bench and got the same amount of reps in the supersets to failure. I know eventually it will have to plateau, but right now it is motivating, fun, and providing good results.

[icehog3]

Another success on a repeat. 10 pounds more on seated military press today and got the reps. Really having fun with the DC right now.

[icehog3]

Hit my DG goal on bench press today, but it was tough. I will need more energy next BP day (2 weeks for flats) to make the next one.

[Adriftpanda]

Week 2 in the books. Started doing this http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer-intro.html.

Feeling great!

[Adriftpanda]

Tom, you take any pre-work out stuff? I started taking Jacked 3D and it has really helped me focus.

[icehog3]

Tom, you take any pre-work out stuff? I started taking Jacked 3D and it has really helped me focus.

I do, Huy, I mix it up to keep from getting "used to" any one. My current rotation includes:

Jack3d
Hemo-Rage Ultra
White Flood

I have also had good luck with 1MR.

[Adriftpanda]

My buddy gave me a sample packet to try. White flood is disgusting.

[icehog3]

My buddy gave me a sample packet to try. White flood is disgusting.

It ain't about flavor, my Brother, it's about results. ;)

Did you have the lemonade? It is very strong tasting. The fruit punch is much more palatable.

[Adriftpanda]

Yes, it was lemonade! Yuck.

[icehog3]

Yes, it was lemonade! Yuck.

I know that different supplements work differently (or don't work) on different people. White Flood has definitely been one of my most effective pre-workout supps, Huy. If you get a chance to sample the fruit punch, you may be ok with that.

While I love that I found a great tasting, high quality whey protein (ON Gold Standard Rocky Road), in general I don't decide on what supplements to use based on taste, but based on results.

[GreekGodX]

I know that different supplements work differently (or don't work) on different people. White Flood has definitely been one of my most effective pre-workout supps, Huy. If you get a chance to sample the fruit punch, you may be ok with that.

While I love that I found a great tasting, high quality whey protein (ON Gold Standard Rocky Road), in general I don't decide on what supplements to use based on taste, but based on results.

Yep I totally agree, Pops :tu
Although if I find 2 supplements that work the same for me, taste wins every time.

Leaning out right now. I've found that different foods at different times really makes a difference in fat loss.

[icehog3]

Lean summer Christos coming, we can rock the sleevelesses at Shack. :r

Good back workout today, hit my goals+ on my DC stuff (T-Bar), added some volume work, and was so gassed I could barely grip the bar for my stretching.

Steak and eggs after the workout, thinking some salmon here in a bit.

[Mugen910]

starting doing supersets this week...

today was curls with triceps overhead extensions.
dumbbell bench press with bent over dumbbell rows
squats into shoulder press...
goblet squats. (you hold a dumbbell like an oversized goblet and squat)


then while waiting for the woman
upright row into shoulder press
reverse curls into triceps extensions

trying to keep the heart rate high to burn more fat. Any suggestions/tips on super sets would be appreciated.

[icehog3]

I dig those supersets, Bao, I was doing a lot of them before I started the DC program, and I will go back to them again.

For a variation, try doing supersets 1 workout for the same, rather than opposing, bodyparts.

i.e., Pulls up to failure immediately followed by bent over rows (adjust the weight for fatigue).

Incline dumbbell bench straight into dips.

Etc....

I like the sets you are doing, I just change them up sometimes (to two exercises for the same bodypart) to keep mind and body fresh. :)

[DBall]

Seated Military Press with the bar I was able to get 120 up all by myself (once). Tried 125 and it wasn't going. Oh well... only 25 pounds shy of being able to military press my body weight... I'll take it! :D

[mosesbotbol]

Seated Military Press with the bar I was able to get 120 up all by myself (once). Tried 125 and it wasn't going. Oh well... only 25 pounds shy of being able to military press my body weight... I'll take it! :D

Anyone who can military press their body weight or close it is pretty impressive. Be careful with that exercise; the injury potential outweight's the benefit often on military press with barbell. Many bring the weight too far down or hold weight to wide.

[Mugen910]

I dig those supersets, Bao, I was doing a lot of them before I started the DC program, and I will go back to them again.

For a variation, try doing supersets 1 workout for the same, rather than opposing, bodyparts.

i.e., Pulls up to failure immediately followed by bent over rows (adjust the weight for fatigue).

Incline dumbbell bench straight into dips.

Etc....

I like the sets you are doing, I just change them up sometimes (to two exercises for the same bodypart) to keep mind and body fresh. :)

Love the tips, I'll keep the 1 body part till failure in mind when I'm switching up the routine in 4 weeks. Thanks!

Anyone who can military press their body weight or close it is pretty impressive. Be careful with that exercise; the injury potential outweight's the benefit often on military press with barbell. Many bring the weight too far down or hold weight to wide.

Very impressive Dan but I concur with Moses on this one.

[hammondc]

the DogCrap program.

I was reading about this a while back. Pretty damn intense stuff....

[DBall]

Anyone who can military press their body weight or close it is pretty impressive. Be careful with that exercise; the injury potential outweight's the benefit often on military press with barbell. Many bring the weight too far down or hold weight to wide.

I bring it down under my chin (but not much farther) and keep my hands maybe 2-3" out on either side past shoulder width. There's a mirror directly in front that keeps me in check. Also, if I get stuck, I can just stand up and put the bar on the rests in front of me (there's 2 behind and 1 in front).

Haven't noticed any pain during or after with the exercise so far, so that's a good thing... :tu

[icehog3]

I bring it down under my chin (but not much farther) and keep my hands maybe 2-3" out on either side past shoulder width. There's a mirror directly in front that keeps me in check. Also, if I get stuck, I can just stand up and put the bar on the rests in front of me (there's 2 behind and 1 in front).

Haven't noticed any pain during or after with the exercise so far, so that's a good thing... :tu

I do my military presses until my upper arms are just a hair below parallel to the floor, Dan...usually traslates to around the top of my nose. Going below this seems to take the stress off my deltoid muscles and transfer it to other muscles.

Speaking of military presses, hit my DG goals again today, and added some heavy dumbbell presses for volume. Ended the workout with some heavy dumbbell shrugs and thick bar barbell shrugs for grip strength. Some extreme stretching, and it was time for lunch.

[DBall]

I do my military presses until my upper arms are just a hair below parallel to the floor, Dan...usually traslates to around the top of my nose. Going below this seems to take the stress off my deltoid muscles and transfer it to other muscles.

Hmm... that way I think I could probably even do more... can't wait to try it, now... :)

[mosesbotbol]

I do my military presses until my upper arms are just a hair below parallel to the floor, Dan...usually traslates to around the top of my nose. Going below this seems to take the stress off my deltoid muscles and transfer it to other muscles.

Just looking in the mirror, I like my arms at 90 degrees at the bottom of the press and barbell should be just below the eyes.

If you do it without any weight, you can feel the deltoid range ends about there. Personally, I like doing "Arnolds" with dumbells more than Military press and hits more regions of the deltoids. With Arnolds, I bring the fist to around low forehead height. Not much weight is needed.

[icehog3]

Just looking in the mirror, I like my arms at 90 degrees at the bottom of the press and barbell should be just below the eyes.



Sounds like we're about in the same range, Moses.

I also think the idea of the "weightless" press is a good way to "feel" the range of the deltoid muscles, good call. :tu

[GreekGodX]

Sounds like we're about in the same range, Moses.

I also think the idea of the "weightless" press is a good way to "feel" the range of the deltoid muscles, good call. :tu

See my range is different for standing MP and seated MP. Seated it is only to my upper lip. Standing I go all the way down to my shoulders but I grip the bar with my elbows up slightly and facing forward. Close to what it would look like if you cleaned the weight to your shoulders.

Speaking to "feeling" the range. I actually stopped listening to music during my weight lifting because I found I was not paying attention to actually feeling my muscles work. Since I've stopped it has made a big difference, especially in my lat development.

[icehog3]

Speaking to "feeling" the range. I actually stopped listening to music during my weight lifting because I found I was not paying attention to actually feeling my muscles work. Since I've stopped it has made a big difference, especially in my lat development.

I guess it's all an individual thing, Christos....If I don't wear headphones, boneheads at the gym start talking to me in the middle of sets, peoples' conversations on cell phones on the next bench annoy me, etc....The music lets me focus and keeps the distractions out for me....glad we both found what works for us.

I am thinking my bottom point might be lower on the standing military press as well, I will have to be conscious of it the next time I do them.

[GreekGodX]

I guess it's all an individual thing, Christos....If I don't wear headphones, boneheads at the gym start talking to me in the middle of sets, peoples' conversations on cell phones on the next bench annoy me, etc....The music lets me focus and keeps the distractions out for me....glad we both found what works for us.


People definitely are annoying, and I have found I opened myself up to conversations I would rather not have. Like you said though I found something that works for me. I'll take the annoying questions and cell phone talkers so I can feel my reps better. Until I can find a gym that is full of guys dedicated like us.

Another thing I noticed with music that I didn't mention before, is that my rhythm would be thrown off by the beats of the music. I would sometimes find myself lifting to the beat of the music. That was another reason I stopped. I do miss the boost music would give me sometimes.

[icehog3]

Definitely sounds like you have found what work for you, Son. :tu

I probably started using my Ipod at the gym 3 or 4 years ago, and have really found it lets me focus on the set. Just another difference that makes the world go 'round. :D

[DBall]

Music always affects me, so really good tunes pump me up just as much as the espresso shot I have before my gym trip.

This gives me an idea for a thread....... :D

[mosesbotbol]

I love hard rocking blasting music to lift weights. I hate using head phones and find they all fall out, especially if laying on back. Even the wrap behind the ears is not that good. I have had issues using them on my bike when looking behind me for traffic.

Anyone have a head phone set they really think stays in the ears?

[icehog3]

I love hard rocking blasting music to lift weights. I hate using head phones and find they all fall out, especially if laying on back. Even the wrap behind the ears is not that good. I have had issues using them on my bike when looking behind me for traffic.

Anyone have a head phone set they really think stays in the ears?

Sennheiser PMX 80 work great for me, Moses.

[Mugen910]

I actually prefer my over the ear Bluetooth headset. I usually wear a hoodie so I'll leave my cell in a pocket and get to business :D

[mosesbotbol]

I long for the days of AC-DC just blasting in a weight room where everyone is lifting as much as they can. If there's no chalk dust in the air, it's not a weight room!

[icehog3]

I long for the days of AC-DC just blasting in a weight room where everyone is lifting as much as they can. If there's no chalk dust in the air, it's not a weight room!

:banger :tu

[DBall]

I love hard rocking blasting music to lift weights. I hate using head phones and find they all fall out, especially if laying on back. Even the wrap behind the ears is not that good. I have had issues using them on my bike when looking behind me for traffic.

Anyone have a head phone set they really think stays in the ears?

I bought a set of Shure ones to use as in-ear monitors while playing shows and now I just use them for everything. Right around $100, but they drown out everything else (great for airplanes and such, too).

[DBall]

Realized yesterday that no music = lame ass workout... it's hard to get pumped when the regular radio is on and Britney Spears is playing... :sh

[Mugen910]

Haha...usually music doesnt dictate my workout. I noticed that my meals 45min before do. Small bowl of pasta at 430 then had a killer workout.
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[icehog3]

It's all different strokes for different folks, Brothers. I never eat before working out, Bao, I find a food in my stomach slows me down (especially carbs). And I can't imagine having to listen to the crap they put on the radio at my gym, sounds much like your gym, Dan. Gimmie a little "Powerage" ro "Highway to Hell" and I am good.

[GreekGodX]

Enter Sandman :banger

I eat carbs before and after all my workouts. Definitely helps my workouts. A good clean carb source plus some is Surge Workout Fuel from http://www.t-nation.com. Flavor is great, and it goes down like a sports drink.

[mosesbotbol]

It's all different strokes for different folks, Brothers. I never eat before working out, Bao, I find a food in my stomach slows me down (especially carbs).

Blood centers to the stomach when full; not the muscles.

[icehog3]

Blood centers to the stomach when full; not the muscles.

That is definitely part of it, coupled with the fact that carbs make me tired. Maybe the blood doesn't center in my brain on a full stomach either. :r

[Bill86]

Just got in the Optimum Nutrition gold standard Rocky Road. Damn tasty :tu

Bodybuilding.com was out of it for quite a bit.

[Mugen910]

That is definitely part of it, coupled with the fact that carbs make me tired. Maybe the blood doesn't center in my brain on a full stomach either. :r

yeah it's like a science experiment. Some people do well with pre-workout food some do not.

Do you guys do much cardio to burn the fat or stick with mostly lifting? I'm sure the combo of both is ideal but I'm not sure yet what mix yet.

[icehog3]

yeah it's like a science experiment. Some people do well with pre-workout food some do not.

Do you guys do much cardio to burn the fat or stick with mostly lifting? I'm sure the combo of both is ideal but I'm not sure yet what mix yet.

Skating 3-4 nights a week is all the cardio I need, Bao, I don't do any in the gym.

[NeuRon]

i do about 45 mins of treadmill right before listing.. i dont know if its a benefit, but it suits me.. lol

[GreekGodX]

yeah it's like a science experiment. Some people do well with pre-workout food some do not.

Do you guys do much cardio to burn the fat or stick with mostly lifting? I'm sure the combo of both is ideal but I'm not sure yet what mix yet.

Over the past couple of years I've come to the realization cardio is not that great for fat loss. I use a sled for my "cardio". I don't consider it cardio because it is more performance based, rips through fat and it builds a ton of muscle in your legs. Plus doing sled work has increased my aerobic work capacity tremendously, and I only do it 2-3 times a week. I would consider adding it to your workouts.

And you can do it very cheaply. I'm lucky my gym has one but I also have one at home that I made out of a tire that I got from a nearby autoshop for free (from their recycle pile). Put some weights in there attached a chain and got down to it. I sometimes use a rope instead of the chain but either can be had for under 10 bucks.

[DBall]

FINALLY got up 175 on incline bench press... that's 30 pounds more than I weigh. I've tried this a couple times over the past month and couldn't make it happen. Had a friend with me and did it without even the slightest assistance (got it once... tried again about 5 minutes later and couldn't do it for another rep, but still...).

I'm excited about that. :banger

[icehog3]

Congrats Dan! :)

[Mugen910]

Over the past couple of years I've come to the realization cardio is not that great for fat loss. I use a sled for my "cardio". I don't consider it cardio because it is more performance based, rips through fat and it builds a ton of muscle in your legs. Plus doing sled work has increased my aerobic work capacity tremendously, and I only do it 2-3 times a week. I would consider adding it to your workouts.

And you can do it very cheaply. I'm lucky my gym has one but I also have one at home that I made out of a tire that I got from a nearby autoshop for free (from their recycle pile). Put some weights in there attached a chain and got down to it. I sometimes use a rope instead of the chain but either can be had for under 10 bucks.

That's what I figured...I'm trying to shed more fat but I don't want to lose any of the muscle I've been building so far. Thanks.

Congrats on the PR Dan!

I'd skate Tom but I look like a fool on ice. :)

[icehog3]

I'd skate Tom but I look like a fool on ice. :)

Doesn't stop me, Bao. :lr

Killed it on back today. Hit my DG goals on bent over rows, added some heavy DB rows and T-bars for volume, then stretching from the pull-up rack with 135 lbs around my waist. Back is trashed, and that's a good thing.

[mosesbotbol]

FINALLY got up 175 on incline bench press... that's 30 pounds more than I weigh.

10 more till plates and quarters! Two plates are around the corner!

[Chainsaw13]

Sorry for the drive by posting, but just wanted to thank Tom. I bought 5lbs of the ON Cookies and Cream last night as I'm running low on my other flavors. Damn fine stuff, much better than the strawberry. Mixed well with my yogurt this morning. Got it at GNC for $45 too.

[icehog3]

Glad you dig the ON, Bob....next, try the Rocky Road. :dr

[mosesbotbol]

Glad you dig the ON, Bob....next, try the Rocky Road. :dr

The only Rocky Road I like from Baskin-Robbins

[icehog3]

The only Rocky Road I like from Baskin-Robbins

That's good too. :r

[Devanmc]

Started up at the local Crossfit box this week. I guess ill see how far i get until i have surgery.

http://www.crossfitazo.com

yesterday skill/strength was deadlift(2-2-2-2-2) maxed 185lbsx2

[icehog3]

One of my sergeants has been doing crossfit for quite some time and raves about the workouts and the results. Good luck, Devan! :tu

Two off days for me on the DG program as I doubled up yesterday. Heal up, and hit it hard Saturday.

[mmblz]

This is hard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-FPG1ruMes

[fencefixer]

Since you guys are so sporty, care to jumpstart a noob like myself?

For years now I've been struggling to GAIN weight. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 155lbs. It took me a whole decade to gain 5lbs in weight alone. Was so proud when I moved from 32" waist size to 34"!!

I eat a good amount of food - just this morning I used half a loaf of toast to make me sandwiches (Honey+Butter+Cheese+Jam+Mayo), usually I can eat whatever I want, whenever I want, without any effects besides taking a bit longer in the bathroom. :D I don't drink any pop and I can't have milk so I drink almond/soy/coconut milk.

Got a full set of equipment at home:
http://www.amazon.com/Marcy-MWB-716-Olympic-Bench/dp/B000J3KZ76/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

This bench and other weights, including those weird things that you put on the ground, hold on to and do push-ups with, sorry I don't know what you call them. I've been working out every 2 days or so, doing push-ups, lifting weights while focusing on different parts of the body each time -> working towards exhaustion, I usually finish a rep to the point where I feel like collapsing.

Well, it ain't working. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. Help. :sh

[DBall]

Since you guys are so sporty, care to jumpstart a noob like myself?

For years now I've been struggling to GAIN weight. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 155lbs. It took me a whole decade to gain 5lbs in weight alone. Was so proud when I moved from 32" waist size to 34"!!

I eat a good amount of food - just this morning I used half a loaf of toast to make me sandwiches (Honey+Butter+Cheese+Jam+Mayo), usually I can eat whatever I want, whenever I want, without any effects besides taking a bit longer in the bathroom. :D I don't drink any pop and I can't have milk so I drink almond/soy/coconut milk.

Got a full set of equipment at home:
http://www.amazon.com/Marcy-MWB-716-Olympic-Bench/dp/B000J3KZ76/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

This bench and other weights, including those weird things that you put on the ground, hold on to and do push-ups with, sorry I don't know what you call them. I've been working out every 2 days or so, doing push-ups, lifting weights while focusing on different parts of the body each time -> working towards exhaustion, I usually finish a rep to the point where I feel like collapsing.

Well, it ain't working. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. Help. :sh

Welcome to the club... 5'9" 145ish here (and this is the heaviest I've been). I've been told to eat 3000-5000 calories a day by various people... it is difficult for me to eat that much as I usually eat a lot of small meals a day. Doing that for a while (eating 3000-3300 calories a day) did get me up to where I am now from around 139 where I was before. I'd contemplated some weight gainer type stuff, but quickly shot that idea down because I'd prefer to either do it by eating healthy-ish stuff or not at all.

I've noticed a difference with the "less reps using more weight" approach... I spend less time in the gym and burn less calories, but I'm definitely getting stronger.

As far as the calorie intake, I just kinda stopped counting. I'm happy being the weight I am... I mean, would it be cool to be 185 and all jacked? Sure, but I know I'm a hard gainer... as long as I continue to be able to lift more weight, I'm content.

Good luck on whatever you decide to try, man! :tu

[Devanmc]

last night was killer.

AMRAP= as many rounds as possible... for 20min
we had a 3 man group rotating every 5 reps, final count 298

for those who dont know what a burpee box jump is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5TOVmvuNX4

24" box
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l89/devanmc436/IMG_20120227_195739.jpg

[Chainsaw13]

DC/Dan, how much protein do you eat a day? If you're looking to put on muscle mass, you need to increase your protein intake along with the working out. If you don't get sufficient protein into your system, especially right after the workout, the muscles won't repair themselves properly and grow.

Dan, if you have an affinity to artificial ingredients, look at Optimum Nutritions Natural line of protein powders. They contain no artificial ingredients and taste good.

[Chainsaw13]

Just to follow up with the thought about protein. The reading I've been doing the last year points to 1g of protein/day for each lb of body weight. So a 180lb man would need 180g of protein a day. You could get away with taking in less protein, but you wouldn't see the as great of results. Now this is if you're doing a lot of exercise/weights. If you're sedentary or exercising infrequently it won't do you as much good.

[PuffPuffGive1]

Since you guys are so sporty, care to jumpstart a noob like myself?

For years now I've been struggling to GAIN weight. I am 6 feet tall and weigh 155lbs. It took me a whole decade to gain 5lbs in weight alone. Was so proud when I moved from 32" waist size to 34"!!

I eat a good amount of food - just this morning I used half a loaf of toast to make me sandwiches (Honey+Butter+Cheese+Jam+Mayo), usually I can eat whatever I want, whenever I want, without any effects besides taking a bit longer in the bathroom. :D I don't drink any pop and I can't have milk so I drink almond/soy/coconut milk.

Got a full set of equipment at home:
http://www.amazon.com/Marcy-MWB-716-Olympic-Bench/dp/B000J3KZ76/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

This bench and other weights, including those weird things that you put on the ground, hold on to and do push-ups with, sorry I don't know what you call them. I've been working out every 2 days or so, doing push-ups, lifting weights while focusing on different parts of the body each time -> working towards exhaustion, I usually finish a rep to the point where I feel like collapsing.

Well, it ain't working. I'm sure I'm doing something wrong. Help. :sh

I say you up your protein/carb/fat intake to a macros of 40/40/20. It's a pain in the ass to eat that much every day, everyday, and going to your ORM (one rep max) everytime, but it will pay off. If not...sorry to say but genetics have a good part in 'growing', as well.

[GreekGodX]

I say you up your protein/carb/fat intake to a macros of 40/40/20. It's a pain in the ass to eat that much every day, everyday, and going to your ORM (one rep max) everytime, but it will pay off. If not...sorry to say but genetics have a good part in 'growing', as well.

Going to your one rep max every workout will fry your CNS and after about a week or two of workouts you will feel like crap. My current program (Doggcrap), makes me go until failure but it is not my 1-rep max. There is only 3 workouts/week giving ample recovery time. Lifting heavy is great and will lead to growth but just doing 1-rep maxes all the time is just going to get you frustrated and tired very fast.

Plus those that want to put on weight, you need to understand you are going to gain some fat. You can limit the amount of fat by making some smarter food choices. However I don't buy into talk that genetics has a good part in growing. Some part? Yes because elite athletes are a prime example of what good genetics will get you, but under the right methods someone with "bad genetics" can make impressive gains. Protein is not the only player in growth and I wouldn't go more than 3x your body weight. Excess protein is just as easily turned into fat.

[mosesbotbol]

1 rep max sets should only be every couple of weeks or so IMO. You're not going to get results from such limited effort and the injury rate gets higher. Even on a max attempt, afew sets should be done as a warm up.

If you want to increase the amount you lift, 2.5's are your friend, but even with that one's energy level & mind set are not always the same every workout.

[icehog3]

Truth from Christos and Moses, agreed on all points. Maxing (single rep) every workout is counterproductive, and can be dangerous to your body.

[Bill86]

Is one rep max even worth doing? Do you get anything from it other than knowing you can do that higher weight one time?

I ask because I've never done one rep maxes.

[icehog3]

Is one rep max even worth doing? Do you get anything from it other than knowing you can do that higher weight one time?

I ask because I've never done one rep maxes.

For powerlifters, absolutely.

Maybe once in a while for the curious.

For someone trying to gain muscle or functional strength, probably not.

[Bill86]

For powerlifters, absolutely.

Maybe once in a while for the curious.

For someone trying to gain muscle or functional strength, probably not.

Thats what I figured, thanks Tom!

[Adriftpanda]

Started taking Hemovex last week and I feel it much more than Jacked3D.

Not sure if it's that or I'm just making some huge gains. I did 3x10 with 365lb squats, never thought I would be able to do that much, but I did. Let's see how tomorrow goes (chest day).

[Devanmc]

i know everyone probly has a different opinions but, Im working on changing or cleaning up my diet for help me gain muscle weight. Are other supplements for protein healthy and/or recommended to add to my diet? If so what kind?

[Chainsaw13]

Question for you guys. Now that I've lost all the weight Im concentrating on building some muscle. One area I'm severely lacking is the back of the upper arm. Is that still part of the tricep or the rear shoulder? What dumbbell exercises should I be doing to target that area? I'm currently doing tricep extensions/kickbacks and dips, shoulder presses and rows and lateral raises. Anything else?

[icehog3]

Bob, are dumbbells all you have access to?

The back of the upper arm is the tricep.

[Chainsaw13]

Bob, are dumbbells all you have access to?

The back of the upper arm is the tricep.

Right now, yes. I'm looking to join a gym at some point, but up until now I was just concerned with losing weight.

[icehog3]

Do you do dumbbell extensions behind your head?

[Chainsaw13]

Do you do dumbbell extensions behind your head?

Yes, seated on my bench, both arms at the same time with one dumbbell with 30-35lbs. Three sets of 10-12. Then three sets of kickbacks, 10-12 reps, about 12.5-15 lbs.

[Chainsaw13]

That's part of the routine, along with chest and shoulders on the same day. Alternate workouts are back, biceps. Off days are my running days, usually 4-8 miles. Sunday's are rest day.

[icehog3]

Triceps tend to be one of the tougher areas to firm up when one was formerly overweight, Bob. Your body may have become accustomed to the routine and doesn't respond to it well any more. When you join a gym you will have more options with cables, barbells and benches, and one of us can suggest some additional exercises then

[Chainsaw13]

Thanks Tom. Ive only just started so I know I shouldn't see results yet. Just wanted to see if I'm at least doing the right exercise with the equipment I have. Time to start looking for a gym when I get home. I have a couple of local friends I can hook up with and give their gyms a try and see what works for me. Would you suggest using a trainer to get started?

[icehog3]

Thanks Tom. Ive only just started so I know I shouldn't see results yet. Just wanted to see if I'm at least doing the right exercise with the equipment I have. Time to start looking for a gym when I get home. I have a couple of local friends I can hook up with and give their gyms a try and see what works for me. Would you suggest using a trainer to get started?

Trainers are quite pricey, Bob, maybe you could pay one for a couple sessions just to show you the movements? Hopefully you can be self-motivated to train, and just rely on them to get you started. If your friends are into it, they might be able to get you started (and for free!) as well.

The only dumbbell movement I really do for triceps are the extensions behind the head. Never got a thing out of kickbacks. Most of my work consists of close grip benching, skull crushers, narrow dips (and sometimes weighted bench dips), and cable work. I am sure some of the other guys here have additinal exercises they can suggest.

[Chainsaw13]

Thanks again. I was hoping my friends could help me out as your right, trainers are expensive.

[Stephen]

Excess protein is just as easily turned into fat.
Not to mention it can put an additional strain on your kidneys. Just remember that when upping the protein, up the hydration.:tu

[Stephen]

The only dumbbell movement I really do for triceps are the extensions behind the head. Never got a thing out of kickbacks. Most of my work consists of close grip benching, skull crushers, narrow dips (and sometimes weighted bench dips), and cable work. I am sure some of the other guys here have additinal exercises they can suggest.
Skull crushers, weighted dips, pushdowns, close grip bench. Tom pretty much nailed it. I'd also suggest tricep push ups, or sometimes called diamond push ups.

[Chainsaw13]

Skull crushers, weighted dips, pushdowns, close grip bench. Tom pretty much nailed it. I'd also suggest tricep push ups, or sometimes called diamond push ups.

Quite familiar with the diamond pushups. Love those. Just need to add back into the routine. Been looking up the skull crusher. Looks like fun. :D

[bonjing]

Question for you guys, I have been working out again (now that I have time), My friend and I always have been going higher in weight during reps, example dumbbell press 65*12, 70*10, 80*10, 85*8; now I'm just going 65lbs for all reps. slowly moving up in weight as I get stronger. What would be best to build strength and muscle? or does it even matter

[icehog3]

Different ways for different people, Greg, and after almost 35 years of lifting I am still learning what works best for me. Pick a program and only stick with it until you plateau, then change things up. To build muscle, you have to use a bit of weight, so with your current program I would pick a weight I could do for sets of 6 to 8 reps rather than something higher than 12.

[bonjing]

Thank you sir!

[Devanmc]

got a new PR today.

210lb with 1rep max dead-lift. 7 sets with ample rest period.

I got 1 in at 215 but my back gave a bit so im not counting it.

:wo :wo :wo

[mosesbotbol]

Question for you guys, I have been working out again (now that I have time), My friend and I always have been going higher in weight during reps, example dumbbell press 65*12, 70*10, 80*10, 85*8; now I'm just going 65lbs for all reps. slowly moving up in weight as I get stronger. What would be best to build strength and muscle? or does it even matter

If you want to build muscle, concentrate on form and working the muscle. Weight is weight and you can only lift what you can, but strict form with full muscle range and contraction is critical.

For instance, most people have generally horrible form when curling because proper form knocks the total weight down a lot. Ever use the an Arm Blaster or curl with back against the wall?

[icehog3]

Off the DogCrapp workout for a few weeks, I was starting to plateau on several of the exercises and decided to add some more volume and reps for a few weeks. Reps are up at lower weights, so I am satisifed. I will go back to the DC next month, starting where I left off.

Caught a crappy summer cold in March (lol, been 80*+ here the last couple weeks), so I have skipped two workouts. Undecided if I will give it a go tomorrow, or take another day off.

[GreekGodX]

Off the DogCrapp workout for a few weeks, I was starting to plateau on several of the exercises and decided to add some more volume and reps for a few weeks. Reps are up at lower weights, so I am satisifed. I will go back to the DC next month, starting where I left off.

Caught a crappy summer cold in March (lol, been 80*+ here the last couple weeks), so I have skipped two workouts. Undecided if I will give it a go tomorrow, or take another day off.

Same thing happened with me on DC, Pops. Took off a few days then switched to more volume and (what I think is the key coming off of DogCrapp) lifting explosively. My muscles hated it at first because of all the grinding lifts done in DC, but now it is like my body just takes everything I eat and it goes directly to the right places. Very noticeable pumps.

[Bill86]

Do you guys get use to the effects of preworkouts? After a tub of DS Craze about 3/4 through it the effect was much less. I took 2 scoops the entire time on it.

Trying Cellucor C4, took 2 scoops 5 minutes ago and I'm already starting to feel it. Much quicker than Craze (which said 40-45 minutes), C4 says 20-30 minutes.

Would it be a good idea to buy like 3-4 different preworkouts and use them each once a week, or how do you not get use to them? I really don't want to go into taking more than 2 scoops. I've heard of people taking 3 scoops but usually they have 50+ pounds on me. It also becomes quite a bit more expensive if you take 3 or more scoops.

[hammondc]

For instance, most people have generally horrible form when curling because proper form knocks the total weight down a lot....


THIS! I drives me nuts to see the guy banging out 75s on bicep curls but his entire body is moving back and forth by 1ft. This and your back coming off the bench for bench press.

[hammondc]

While I am typing. I figure I could ask you folks about a few new exercises for chest. I quit the gym to work out at home and I have a pretty solid collection of dumbells going. Bis and Tris are coming a along nicely. What can I thrown in to advance chest development?

Current chest exercises
Lots of pushups - Millitary, standard, wide, decline
Chest press - incline and flat. Bench will not do decline
Flys on the bench

I have been doing pull-ups too. Is there any chest development in that? Seems like mostly shoulders, Bis, back.

[icehog3]

Son, I am having the same results as you getting back to volume for awhile. I am hoping to keep making progress cycling through the two programs for the forseeable future. :tu

Bill, I use several different pre-workout mixes, and I cycle through them. Your system definitely gets "used" to the same type of caffeine and other ingredients after a few weeks, so I find that cycling the different ones keeps me from getting "immune".

As I am sure Christos, Moses and others in this thread will tell you, some of the supplements that work great for one person don't work well for the next, so you have to see which ones work for you. My lineup of PWs that I cycle through includes White Flood, Hemo-Rage Ultra, Jack3d and 1MR.

Chip, I think the benefit of pull-ups for the chest is actually the stretch the pec muscles get when the back muscles are fully contracted. While I don't feel direct work on the chest doing pull-ups, I think the full stretch they get ultimately makes the pecs "fuller".

[Bill86]

I just did 2 scoops of C4 for the first time, while the flavor was great it just didn't give me the energy it should. Instead I f*cked up my left shoulder. I hopefully it will heal up quickly. Doesn't feel like a muscle :sh

Called the company and as I guessed they told me most of the active ingredients are similar and I should just cycle off any preworkout for 2 weeks if I get use to them.

Apparently legally they can't tell you to take more than 2 scoops. I was just going to increase the dosage when I feel 100% again, but I guess I'll try cycling off for a bit or order something else without the same main ingredient. Probably order a few and use them all once a week.

Kind of feeling a crash as well :td

[mosesbotbol]

What can I thrown in to advance chest development?

Do a 20 set rep of bench or flies and immediately go into strict form push up's. Do 20 push up's after each set. If you have to go onto your knees to finish, that is fine as long as the body is straight as board with a contracted core. :tu

Let me know how you make out.

[Stephen]

Do a 20 set rep of bench or flies and immediately go into strict form push up's. Do 20 push up's after each set. If you have to go onto your knees to finish, that is fine as long as the body is straight as board with a contracted core. :tu

Let me know how you make out.
I used to do something similar that I called, "burnouts." What I would do (and I'd always make it the last chest movement) is use a weight that I could comfortably do ten (flat) bench reps. For the sake of explanation, let's say 100lbs. dumbbells. I would do ten reps, then immediately without rest half the weight (50lbs.) and do ten more reps (focusing on form), and then half the weight AGAIN (25 lbs.) and do ten more reps (again, making sure to keep good form). I would do two sets of these (usually the last weight on the last set I'd do to failure). If your chest isn't screaming at you by the end of the second set...

[gorob23]

Some of you were asking for a workout thread here you go...

off to the gym now...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e145/zemekone/smileys/bench.gif

F your workout

Rob ;s

[GreekGodX]

While I am typing. I figure I could ask you folks about a few new exercises for chest. I quit the gym to work out at home and I have a pretty solid collection of dumbells going. Bis and Tris are coming a along nicely. What can I thrown in to advance chest development?

Current chest exercises
Lots of pushups - Millitary, standard, wide, decline
Chest press - incline and flat. Bench will not do decline
Flys on the bench

I have been doing pull-ups too. Is there any chest development in that? Seems like mostly shoulders, Bis, back.

A good chest exercise that I've been doing is a power fly. Use more weight than you would use for a normal fly. When you go down don't go as wide as you would for a fly then come up like a press. Make sure to squeeze at the top and get a good stretch at the bottom.

As far as pull-ups for chest development, I would argue that it does help. What Tom said is how I feel it helps as well. It will make your chest appear fuller and bigger. Plus a stronger back will help in chest pressing exercises.

[hammondc]

Thanks a bunch guys. I'll have to try those supersets that Moses mentioned and maybe the powerfly too. Stepehen, I already do that workout, but call them stripsets. THey work great for Biceps too. My forearms are usually on fire by the end.

[mosesbotbol]

Thanks a bunch guys. I'll have to try those supersets that Moses mentioned and maybe the powerfly too. Stepehen, I already do that workout, but call them stripsets. THey work great for Biceps too. My forearms are usually on fire by the end.

My friend is a well known personal trainer around Boston and he does this technique with his clients. I saves a lot of client time for good results. The other thing he does; instead of resting between sets, go onto the treadmill for 5 mintues between exercises. Do 2 min at 3.7 mph flat, 1 minute 3.5mph at 15% incline, and 1 min 3.7 at flat.

Your muscles are "resting", but you are getting burning cardio. He can turn out an incredible workout in 30-35 minutes that people pay a lot for. The whole workout has no down time.

[hammondc]

Are you talking about the stripsets? Yeah, they hurt. I will sometimes do 'high knee obliques' from insanity between sets..

[Chainsaw13]

Not sure if this is in the P90X or Insanity discs, but my uncle just told me about a killer ab exercise. Get into a plank position, bring your right knee as close to your right elbow as you can, then bring it across to your left elbow, back to the right and back to plank. Repeat with the left leg. That's one rep. Do as many as you can. I'm doing 2-3 sets of 10 right now and my abs are screaming.

[GreekGodX]

Need to remember to take fish oil :bh

[icehog3]

Been out of the gym for a week, not wanting to make this URI worse before the hockey finals. Now that hockey is over for 3 weeks, I will get back into the gym by Thursday regardless of whether this is all cleared up or not.

[hammondc]

OK, tried the super super sets yesterday and they were killer.

here's my circuit
-30 Pushups
-12 reps flat bench
-30 Pull wide front pullups
-12 reps power flys

I did this 4 times through. I MAY have been able to struggle through a 5th.

[mosesbotbol]

OK, tried the super super sets yesterday and they were killer.

here's my circuit
-30 Pushups
-12 reps flat bench
-30 Pull wide front pullups
-12 reps power flys

I did this 4 times through. I MAY have been able to struggle through a 5th.

You did 4 sets of 30 wide pull up's? That's a lot even for one set. I don't think I have ever seen someone do one set of 30 wide pull up's never mind 4 sets of them! You must be an animal!

[icehog3]

You did 4 sets of 30 wide pull up's? That's a lot even for one set. I don't think I have ever seen someone do one set of 30 wide pull up's never mind 4 sets of them! You must be an animal!

I am up to 23-25 on my first set (fresh), but it drops pretty dramatically with each set after.

[Devanmc]

I am up to 23-25 on my first set (fresh), but it drops pretty dramatically with each set after.

strict or kipping?

[mosesbotbol]

I am up to 23-25 on my first set (fresh), but it drops pretty dramatically with each set after.

If I did 15, I would be quite happy. I hear/feel crinking in my left shoulder doing them unless I am really warmed up, so I haven't been doing them as much as I use to. Pull up's are generally an early on back exercise.

[icehog3]

strict or kipping?

Strict, My Brother, and that's hauling about 240 lbs up on each rep. ;)

[Devanmc]

Strict, My Brother, and that's hauling about 240 lbs up on each rep. ;)

I figured, quite impressive.

I think i can do like 10-11 strict.

[hammondc]

You did 4 sets of 30 wide pull up's? That's a lot even for one set. I don't think I have ever seen someone do one set of 30 wide pull up's never mind 4 sets of them! You must be an animal!

Oh hell no. It's more like 10+8+7+5. Jeezus. They are hard as hell. I am thinking of splitting them to 15 wide / 15 close grip.

[mosesbotbol]

Oh hell no. It's more like 10+8+7+5. Jeezus. They are hard as hell. I am thinking of splitting them to 15 wide / 15 close grip.

Do you use straps? I figure straps are good for at least one or two more pull up's a set. My "famous trainer" buddy does not recommend going too wide; just slightly wider than straight up arms. Hard to get use to for me since I have an idea in my head what a pull up is for the last 25 years working out...

[hammondc]

No straps, but full disclosure, I need a chair back for the the last 3-4. I am not using my legs to help, but just taking some weight off. I am not going too wide, Pretty much 4 inches or so left and right vs straight up.

[PuffPuffGive1]

Two days ago was the first time I had deadlifted in over 2 months and boy does my lower back feel sore. Went balls out and did 315 raw for 3 reps and felt like I could have done more but didn't want to risk throwing out my back. Not bad since my ORM was about 450 =D

[DBall]

Finally put up 185 on the incline bench for 1. That's 40lbs more than me. I vividly remember thinking how cool it would be to have a 45 and a 25 on each side months ago and not being able to envision a time where I could lift that.
Hell, I never even tried it until today (previous high was 175).

I'm quite stoked.

:tu

[mosesbotbol]

185 is a good milestone, 225 is right around the corner. I'd try it on a flat bench first.

[GreekGodX]

Nice lift Dan!

I never liked Incline bench. I never get into the right groove. I've had some decent lifts but never feel comfortable on it. I've also hurt myself multiple times doing incline bench.

[icehog3]

Nice lift Dan!

I never liked Incline bench. I never get into the right groove. I've had some decent lifts but never feel comfortable on it. I've also hurt myself multiple times doing incline bench.

Different strokes, Son....I love incline, and am actually able to lift more on the incline. Strange, I know.

[Bill86]

Count me in the :td for Incline group. One of my least favorite exercises.

[icehog3]

Wussies.

[Bill86]

I do them, but I don't like it at all :D

That said whoever mentioned Skull crushers, that is becoming one of my new favorite exercises :tu

[icehog3]

That said whoever mentioned Skull crushers, that is becoming one of my new favorite exercises :tu

:D

[Bill86]

Getting my third preworkout in Monday, trying Universal Shock Therapy. I found that using Con-Crete with a preworkout gives me much more energy. Today was a good day.

Anyone have any experience with Hemoval? Apparently that is another good one to take with a preworkout.

[icehog3]

Never tried any of those, Bill.

What is Con-Crete?

[Bill86]

Never tried any of those, Bill.

What is Con-Crete?

Concentrated Creatine.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pmh/concret.html

Some Preworkouts like Musclepharm Assault use creatine (specifically con-crete in assault) but some don't like Cellucor C4.

[icehog3]

Concentrated Creatine.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pmh/concret.html



Thanks, reviews look good, Bill. :tu

[Bill86]

It is damn tasty too, tastes like old school pineapple jolly ranchers :dr :dr

[DBall]

Different strokes, Son....I love incline, and am actually able to lift more on the incline. Strange, I know.

Same here, Tom... I lift WAY more on incline. Feels better on my shoulders, too...

[icehog3]

Same here, Tom... I lift WAY more on incline. Feels better on my shoulders, too...

That is key for me as well, Dan.

[Fordman4ever]

I put up 300 on the flat bench last week for a 1 rep max. I'm hoping to get 350 before I reach the end of my deployment.

[GreekGodX]

You incline bench lovers are crazy! If I do it, it is with dumbbells

But you did remind me to take my fish oil! :wo

[icehog3]

You incline bench lovers are crazy! If I do it, it is with dumbbells

But you did remind me to take my fish oil! :wo

You can oil your fish, just don't grease your weasel. ;)

[GreekGodX]

You can oil your fish, just don't grease your weasel. ;)

:lr

I'll leave that to the professionals :D

[icehog3]

:lr

I'll leave that to the professionals :D

I'm only semi-pro. ;)

[mosesbotbol]

You incline bench lovers are crazy! If I do it, it is with dumbbells

But you did remind me to take my fish oil! :wo

Inclines aren't so bad when the bench angle adjusts. I don't like it very steep. Declines I am not too into at all.

[GreekGodX]

Inclines aren't so bad when the bench angle adjusts. I don't like it very steep. Declines I am not too into at all.

I like decline. Takes off a lot of stress from my shoulders.

[icehog3]

I like decline. Takes off a lot of stress from my shoulders.

I can't (or won't) do declines as all, Son, I don't like the position. :r

I use weighted dips and plate loading decline machine (sitting upright) to build lower pecs.

[Bill86]

Well I can say this: Universal Shock Therapy does not work at all.

Yesterday I took 1.5 scoops, today I just took 2.5 scoops 45 minutes ago. Not a thing. Scoops are 20G (All in one Pre-workout like Assault). Crashed yesterday on this stuff, crashing again today. It does the complete opposite as it's supposed to. Sh*t puts me to sleep.

Just a heads up.

:2

[hammondc]

No problem. I am scared to death of those supplements. I took white flood once and my heart rate went way up and I got all sweaty. Bleh....

[icehog3]

Thanks, Bill, one to scratch off my list.

[Bill86]

No problem. I am scared to death of those supplements. I took white flood once and my heart rate went way up and I got all sweaty. Bleh....

Yeah there are some side effects you can get. They always tell you to start low to access tolerance. My heart rate is always perfectly normal so I take usually 2 scoops of any pre-workout.

You will usually sweat more though, so that is "normal".

Thanks, Bill, one to scratch off my list.

If you haven't tried it yet I've gotten the best overall results from Muscle Pharm Assault. Tastes great no side effects, great with Con-crete. Nice boost of energy.

Craze is nuts but it gives me the worst cottonmouth and the flavor is just terrible. Supposed to be a new flavor in the next few months.

I'm sending back Shock Therapy tomorrow, I'll probably try out Scivation Novem or Infinite Labs Juggernaught next. I'll report back on the ones I do try out so it might help a few people in deciding which ones to try next.

[icehog3]

Thanks for the tips, Bill. :)

[kaisersozei]

If you haven't tried it yet I've gotten the best overall results from Muscle Pharm Assault. Tastes great no side effects, great with Con-crete. Nice boost of energy.

Assault gives me that same tingling like Jack3d that I can't stand--my ears, eyelids, and fingertips just itch like mad. It goes away while I'm working out, but will sometimes come back. I can't take it, not sure what compound is doing that. So far, Body Rush has been the best side-effect free preworkout for me, especially for those 6am starts.

[icehog3]

Assault gives me that same tingling like Jack3d that I can't stand--my ears, eyelids, and fingertips just itch like mad. It goes away while I'm working out, but will sometimes come back. I can't take it, not sure what compound is doing that.

It's the beta alanine. It's completely harmless. Beta alanine is a very effective ingredient as well.

[kaisersozei]

It's the beta alanine. It's completely harmless. Beta alanine is a very effective ingredient as well.

Wonder if Assault & Jack3d are at different concentrations than Body Rush, which doesn't give me that same tingling? My wife & stepson both use Assault, and they don't have that irritation, maybe it's just my old body :D

[Bill86]

Assault gives me that same tingling like Jack3d that I can't stand--my ears, eyelids, and fingertips just itch like mad. It goes away while I'm working out, but will sometimes come back. I can't take it, not sure what compound is doing that. So far, Body Rush has been the best side-effect free preworkout for me, especially for those 6am starts.

What Tom said it's Beta-Alanine. The tingling feeling is perfectly normal, however the itching from what I've heard is a side effect that some people get.

I do feel the tingling in my arms but not my face or fingertips. No itching either.

Looks like I'm ordering Starchem Labs Momentum tonight and I'll get SciVation Novem next week once I send back Shock Therapy. I'll post reviews of both.

[DBall]

All those things scare me and I've never even tried em... I get worried about taking stuff like that as I'm prone to anxiety. I just pound a quick shot of espresso right before I go. :tu

[Bill86]

All those things scare me and I've never even tried em... I get worried about taking stuff like that as I'm prone to anxiety. I just pound a quick shot of espresso right before I go. :tu

My advice is honestly if you're good with your current workout and energy level don't bother. I've done the espresso and while it works well, this is just a little bit different.

I usually don't have much motivation or energy so it's a good swift kick in the ass that lasts 2-3 hours that I need. I do find it puts me in a good mood too.

[DBall]

My advice is honestly if you're good with your current workout and energy level don't bother. I've done the espresso and while it works well, this is just a little bit different.

I usually don't have much motivation or energy so it's a good swift kick in the ass that lasts 2-3 hours that I need. I do find it puts me in a good mood too.


Yeah... not really a motivation issue with me... I really enjoy the gym. :tu

[icehog3]

More about focus and endurance than motivation for me...but I agree with Bill, if you are happy with the results you are getting now, Dan, don't change it up. Maybe try it if you hit a plateau.

[mosesbotbol]

I can't (or won't) do declines as all, Son, I don't like the position. :r

Same here.

[Adriftpanda]

A little butt hurt that they discontinued my Xtend, I really enjoyed it. Anyone here take any intra-workout supplement? Read good things about Purplewrath and intrabolic, anyone have experience with any?

[Bill86]

A little butt hurt that they discontinued my Xtend, I really enjoyed it. Anyone here take any intra-workout supplement? Read good things about Purplewrath and intrabolic, anyone have experience with any?

SciVation Xtend is still available, maybe not the old one though.

I just got Starchem Labs Evolution X7 in a few days ago, I'll let you know when I try it today.

I can say AminoX had no effect for me at all.

[Adriftpanda]

Hmm, thanks Bill. I wonder how similar that is to Xtend.

[Bill86]

For sure it tastes great, watermelon flavor tastes like a watermelon Jolly Rancher. I'll try it out again Friday but right now I feel like I didn't work out. We'll see about the AM, I took it mid work out. 1 scoop only needs 8 oz's of water, that's nice.

[Bill86]

Gave it another trial run today. Got in a very good workout, but it being the only intra/post workout I've tried I can't really say "buy it, buy it". It does work though for me, and taste good too. I'll probably try Xtend next month and see which I like better.

[DBall]

put up 175 for 3 on incline today nice and smooth... felt great!

[DBall]

holy crap... bodybuilding.com is really awesome! I typed in tricep workouts and got taken to this massive repository of exercises with pics and videos. Found some really cool stuff... did the same for quads today.

Right now (meaning for the last week or so), I'm trying to do only one muscle group a day and I like it a lot. Now all I need is a diet plan... hahaha.

I'm strongly considering some PFT certification (AFAA or ISSA) mainly so I can learn more.

[Negncic]

holy crap... bodybuilding.com is really awesome! I typed in tricep workouts and got taken to this massive repository of exercises with pics and videos. Found some really cool stuff... did the same for quads today.

Right now (meaning for the last week or so), I'm trying to do only one muscle group a day and I like it a lot. Now all I need is a diet plan... hahaha.

I'm strongly considering some PFT certification (AFAA or ISSA) mainly so I can learn more.

Yes that is a great site. In the nutrition forum there is a sticky that tells you how to calculate caloric needs including macronutrients needs. After reading that I realized that I was totally clueless.

[Adriftpanda]

Anyone here use resistance bands for their workouts? I want try and incorporate the bands with a few of my chest exercise. Any recommendations/tips?

[Bill86]

Forgot to update but yeah Evolution X7 does help you mid work out but the next day you still feel like sore. It's not bad if you want to work out longer to take it midway. I didn't notice too much of an effect post work out. Especially on a very large muscle group like legs.

Just got in some nitric oxide boosters (Top Secret Nutrition Astravar) so I'll be giving those a shot. Hopefully all my preworkouts get a nice boost.

Bought Muscletech Neurocore as well, that 2 for 1 was a nice deal.

[GreekGodX]

Anyone here use resistance bands for their workouts? I want try and incorporate the bands with a few of my chest exercise. Any recommendations/tips?

I have with some good gains. Primarily reverse band bench press. Allows you to use more weight and work on being explosive out of the hole.

Using them for added resistance can be good if used the right way. One of my favorites is adding bands to the iso machine bench presses and really burning out my chest. You can do drop sets with them on there or do a set with full reps then get 4-8 reps doing the top half only. I've found doing just the top portion (limited range of motion) really pumps up your chest.

As far as on benching with them I would be careful. You want to remain explosive on the lifts. If you are grinding it out with the bands on there it is no better than just having that much weight on there.

[Adriftpanda]

I have with some good gains. Primarily reverse band bench press. Allows you to use more weight and work on being explosive out of the hole.

Using them for added resistance can be good if used the right way. One of my favorites is adding bands to the iso machine bench presses and really burning out my chest. You can do drop sets with them on there or do a set with full reps then get 4-8 reps doing the top half only. I've found doing just the top portion (limited range of motion) really pumps up your chest.

As far as on benching with them I would be careful. You want to remain explosive on the lifts. If you are grinding it out with the bands on there it is no better than just having that much weight on there.

Thanks! And that's what I pretty much seen at the gym and thought it was a pretty interesting. Never heard of reverse band bench press. I'll look this up

[DBall]

Woke up and weighed myself this morning... 152.9!!! Yesterday it was 149.8, but still... I finally woke up and found myself over 150. That's the first time that has ever happened. I'm not delusional, though... I know I'll poop and be right back to 148... :r

[icehog3]

Never poop again! :D

[DBall]

Never poop again! :D

Won't that make me full of sh1t? :sh

[icehog3]

Won't that make me full of sh1t? :sh

Never, Dan! :r

Brutal bsck workout today. Started with pull-ups with 30 pounds added for three sets, then 3 more sets with just bodyweight.

Then supersetted heavy wide barbell rows with heavy t-bar rows for 4 supersets.

3 supersets of wide grip pulldowns and narrow grip cable rows.

Finally 2 more sets of pull-ups for 11 and then 10 reps.

Didn't feel very energetic after a late hockey game last night and limited sleep the last two nights, but I bulled my way through and got a great workout in. Hockey again tonight, I am guessing I sleep like a baby afterwards.

[gorob23]

I woke up that was the start of my workout....

It is now 12:55 so I only have about 7 more hours before my workout ends....

Rob :tu

[icehog3]

The Snow Globe Workout....it's the toughest of all, Rob.;s

[DBall]

Trying to take a week off from weights to let my shoulder and wrist get a little better (hurt my wrist doing reverse curls and my shoulder about a month back when I lifted a bit too much without a spot off the seated military bench). It is very difficult to stay away... did some Ab Ripper X (from the P90X thing) just to do something. That hurts.

How often should one take breaks from the gym and for what duration?

[icehog3]

Barring injury, I usually let my herf and vacation schedules dictate my time off from the gym, Dan. Usually leaves me a couple full weeks and 3 or 4 four to five day breaks a year. Besides that, if my body is telling me to take an extra day off here and there, I do that too.

[mosesbotbol]

Trying to take a week off from weights to let my shoulder and wrist get a little better (hurt my wrist doing reverse curls and my shoulder about a month back when I lifted a bit too much without a spot off the seated military bench). It is very difficult to stay away... did some Ab Ripper X (from the P90X thing) just to do something. That hurts.

How often should one take breaks from the gym and for what duration?

Was never much into reverse curls and military barbell press is too risky for me...

That being said, listen to your body and just work on cardio and core while your wrists and shoulders heal. Good time to work on stretching and making "space" in your body.

[DBall]

Was never much into reverse curls and military barbell press is too risky for me...

That being said, listen to your body and just work on cardio and core while your wrists and shoulders heal. Good time to work on stretching and making "space" in your body.


Reverse curls are about the only way I can curl due to a previously broken elbow that doesn't really enjoy when I supinate. I did spend the 2 weeks before last practicing for a 5k and then ran one (first ever) last weekend. Really enjoyed it as, prior to this week, I did no cardio at all. (PS... did the 5k in 32:32).

[GreekGodX]

My rest periods are the same as Tom's.. If I injure myself I'll take it easy on whatever hurts the injury. Otherwise days off come when I feel the need, vacations and herfs. Otherwise I'm doing something at the gym.

[Bill86]

Hmm, thanks Bill. I wonder how similar that is to Xtend.

I know it's about 7 weeks after you asked but I just got Xtend in today and put it to the test.

I can say the differences IMHO, which I will further test next week, aren't much. Xtend gets the nod from me though over Evolution x7. Price is significantly cheaper ($23 vs $32) and 5 more servings. I also find Evolution X7 turns my stomach for about 20 minutes after I drink it. That said Xtend takes a bit longer to work. I would take Evolution X7 at the half way point of my sets, Xtend probably 2-3 sets before that.

EDIT looks like they dropped the price on Evolution X7 to $26.

As far as recovery, I would say they are both the same. Xtend is easier to get down as well, I just chugged it.

I will be purchasing a the 90 serving Xtend after my 30 runs out. The green apple is "green apple" very good tasting. I'd score it a 9/10, if it worked just a bit faster it would be perfect.

I also tried Hyper FX as I got a free sample with my order. Glad I didn't get that on the 3 for the price of 2 deal. The taste is just hard to get down, WAY too intense. It's spicy, a real black pepper spice. No crazy pumps or strength from one serving, which has 270 mg of caffeine so I couldn't imagine doubling up on it. Pass on that one.

I have about 15-20 mini reviews on various proteins, preworkouts, intra workouts and creatines if anyone would find them useful I would be more than happy to post them and elaborate if need be.

[area51]

I started a new workout program called Convict Conditioning. It's all body weight exercise. Has anyone done this before? I decided to take a bit of time off the weights and just see what I get out of this.

[mosesbotbol]

I started a new workout program called Convict Conditioning. It's all body weight exercise. Has anyone done this before? I decided to take a bit of time off the weights and just see what I get out of this.

Prison tat's are optional.

[icehog3]

I think Hershel Walker used a variation of that, and he was a beast....of course, superior genetics don't hurt.

[GreekGodX]

I think Hershel Walker used a variation of that, and he was a beast....of course, superior genetics don't hurt.

IMO a lot of people forget that when diving into new workout supplements or a routine. A lot of the hype of "gain so much muscle in x days" or "get shredded in x days" partially has to do with the genetics of those using the routine or supplement. A person with superior genetics can adapt and grow from pretty much anything where an average person would get run into the ground after some minor gains.

[area51]

IMO a lot of people forget that when diving into new workout supplements or a routine. A lot of the hype of "gain so much muscle in x days" or "get shredded in x days" partially has to do with the genetics of those using the routine or supplement. A person with superior genetics can adapt and grow from pretty much anything where an average person would get run into the ground after some minor gains.


Quoted for the truth.

[icehog3]

You bet, Son....genetics is huge.

[DBall]

You bet, Son....genetics is huge.

Or, you can lift heavy (for your size) all the time, eat like a mutha and still look like a beanpole that's never seen a gym a day in your life like me... hahaha.

[icehog3]

Or, you can lift heavy (for your size) all the time, eat like a mutha and still look like a beanpole that's never seen a gym a day in your life like me... hahaha.

Genetics at its finest (or worst), Dan.

[GreekGodX]

Or, you can lift heavy (for your size) all the time, eat like a mutha and still look like a beanpole that's never seen a gym a day in your life like me... hahaha.

Except you don't eat like a mutha. You eat like a fat conscious mutha :r

[Chainsaw13]

What are your guys thoughts on home gyms? I'm debating possibly getting one. My work schedule has me on the road a lot at times, so the thought of paying monthly dues for a membership that I won't be able to use has me leaning away from joining a gym. But on the other hand for the cost of a good home gym, I could get a multi year membership. Right now on Craigslist there's a Hoist half cage with all the options for $2k. I may be able to get it for less though.

[icehog3]

Too many distractions at home, unless that is absolutely your only option. :2

[mosesbotbol]

What are your guys thoughts on home gyms? I'm debating possibly getting one. My work schedule has me on the road a lot at times, so the thought of paying monthly dues for a membership that I won't be able to use has me leaning away from joining a gym.

If you are relying on a home gym for any real fitness level, I'd say do not do it. It takes a certain kind of person to really get results at home and if you were that type, you’d be banging out push up's and sit up's all day long already at home. Most people end up hanging laundry from their home fitness equipment

My suggestion for a traveler is to just pay for walk-in classes in which ever city you are in. You are only paying for actual fitness, so the more you pay, the better you'll be. Every place has Yoga, Pilates, or a Core fitness class.

You could consider a national fitness chain like Bally, but that is no guarantee that there will be one on your assignment.

[Chainsaw13]

Thanks for the opinions Tom and Moses. I sort of went thru this same thought process last year about a treadmill, which I ended up buying. Exercising has become a part of my life now for the last 14 months after getting diagnosed with Type II diabetes. Since then I've lost 115-120 lbs and probably in the best shape of my life. So I'm not worried about it becoming an expensive clothes hanger.

One of the pluses about joining a gym is I have a number of friends that belong to various gyms around the area, so I could potentially have a workout partner. That would be a big plus, especially in the beginning.

I'll keep weighing out the pros and cons.

[icehog3]

Congrats on your accomplishments so far, Bob! :tu

[GreekGodX]

If I was you Bob I would get a gym membership and then buy some specialty items for at home that the gym probably won't have. If I had to choose 1 though it would be find a gym. I'm with Tom, that home has too many distractions. Also some gyms will let you freeze your account with notice so that his something you might want to look into.

Some examples for at home stuff; Prowler from elitefts.com (I highly recommend this. I've asked for one for my Christmas and my birthday for the past 3 years to no avail but one day I will get one), TRX, ViPR, a True Stretch cage, heavy bag.

Those are all I can think of off the top of my head. I think that would be the ultimate setup. Because you will have enough at home to get a workout in but have the option of going to a gym. While this isn't really a solution for you, it will definitely help you meet all your goals.

[Chainsaw13]

I'll have to start researching those items Christos. One of the things I've been trying to do is mix up the routine, to keep it from getting stale. I've built a pullup bar, bought the treadmill and adjustable dumbbells, have a heavy bag, run, walk, do P90x, etc. But you're right, at some point I'll need to join a gym to reach certain goals.

[Adriftpanda]

Just curious about what you guys take, this is what I take.

Pre workout - Jacked3D
Intra workout - water/bcaa
Post workout - hydrobolic fx protein

[icehog3]

I mix up my pre-workout drinks so I don't become "immune" to any of them, Huy. Right now, it is berween Jack3d, Hemo-Rage Ultra and White Flood. Both Jack3d and Hemo-Rage Ultra are being taken off the market by the FDA due to one of their ingredients being compared to metha-amphetimine. I grabbed 4 of each to start, so I have plenty to last until something new takes their place.

During the workout, I either finish any remaining pre-workout supplement, or drink water.

Afterwards, some whey isolate along with one of several recovery drinks with BCAAs.

[Adriftpanda]

I did the same, I bought a few Jacked3D myself. I go between jacked and Hemovex.

[Bill86]

My current supplements

Preworkouts (all taken with Con-Crete)
MusclePharm Assault
Muscletech Neurocore
Cellucor C4
Starchem labs momentum

Intra workout
BSN AminoX
Starchem Labs Evolution X7
Scivation Xtend

Post
MusclePharm Combat Powder

[icehog3]

Scivation Xtend



Xtend has been my main after-workout supplement lately, mixed with some other protein sources.

[Bill86]

It's good stuff, I just got mine not too long ago as well.

Sometimes Evolution X7, which I think works much quicker intra workout, messes with me and it takes a bit because I get kind of queasy. Bodybuilding.com sent me like 4 samples of AminoX so I've been trying that recently.

It's a good product as well with a great price point. Tastes absolutely wonderful too. $20 for 30 servings. I'll probably pick up a bottle of it. The only odd thing I did not get at all is they recommend cycling off it :confused:

Perhaps someone could explain why? It's a post workout, none of them I've seen every recommending cycling.

[icehog3]

Does it contain creatine?

[Adriftpanda]

I was using Xtend for a while as well.

Just ordered some casein protein.

[Adriftpanda]

Does it contain creatine?

Nope.

[icehog3]

Nope.

I am not sure why then either, I will assume since it's post, it doesn't have any form of caffeine either.