Red's Fans Check in

[elderboy02]

Once again I was the last caller on McAllister's Hot Stove Show. I think it might have been actually Mark Amazon. I discussed Oswalt's WAR vs. Bailey's WAR and the price for each. Oswalt's WAR has gone down each year, while Bailey's WAR has improved each year (although by not much), but if I'm gonna spend 10-16 million, I want a big name player, not another broken down maybe pitcher. We've already got enough maybe's and has-beens. I'm mad enough at keeping Rolen at third, a has been as back-up/maybe starting SS out of Valdez, and Arroyo. Why add Oswalt?

BTW, I was supposedly ED from NC. The last caller, if you want to go back and listen. I waited so long, he finally answered my call when I was taking a p!$$ and was caught off guard. :r:r

LOL. "Hey, can you hold on, I am seeing a man about a horse" :r

[Starscream]

LOL. "Hey, can you hold on, I am seeing a man about a horse" :r

I was half lit when I called in last night.:r

[elderboy02]

Andy, I bet Adam a 5'er that the Reds will make it to the NLCS. Crazy or not?

[chippewastud79]

Andy, I bet Adam a 5'er that the Reds will make it to the NLCS. Crazy or not?
I thought it was to win the World Series. :sh

[elderboy02]

I thought it was to win the World Series. :sh

LOL. You crack me up. You wouldn't bet the division b/c you said they will win that, but you did bet that the reds wouldn't make it the NLCS.

[chippewastud79]

LOL. You crack me up. You wouldn't bet the division b/c you said they will win that, but you did bet that the reds wouldn't make it the NLCS.

I know, I remember. Just funnin' ya. :D

[Starscream]

Andy, I bet Adam a 5'er that the Reds will make it to the NLCS. Crazy or not?

NLDS is a safer bet.:2

[elderboy02]

NLDS is a safer bet.:2

Adam was too chicken to bet that ;)

[chippewastud79]

NLDS is a safer bet.:2

They should win this weak division, so the NLDS is almost a guarantee. Dan swears they are going to make the World Series, but he was to chicken to bet that. ;)

[Starscream]

Rumors of straight up trade being laid on the table: Phillips for Cole Hamels. Not sure if this is legit or not.

[elderboy02]

Rumors of straight up trade being laid on the table: Phillips for Cole Hamels. Not sure if this is legit or not.

I don't like it. I like Hamels, but can they sign him long term? Who will play 2nd base? They can't be as good at defense as Phillips and Hamels only helps out every 5 days.

[chippewastud79]

Rumors of straight up trade being laid on the table: Phillips for Cole Hamels. Not sure if this is legit or not.

Good trade, considering the Reds biggest hole is pitching. They have a bunch of #3-5 starters and one true starter. They can score runs, and keeping Phillips when this contract expires, is a big question once Votto leaves. Phillips Gold Gloves are well deserved, but last year was a product of home score keeping and having one the year before. :2

[elderboy02]

Good trade, considering the Reds biggest hole is pitching. They have a bunch of #3-5 starters and one true starter. They can score runs, and keeping Phillips when this contract expires, is a big question once Votto leaves. Phillips Gold Gloves are well deserved, but last year was a product of home score keeping and having one the year before. :2

Ok, so lets say this trade happens. Who will be our second baseman?

[Stephen]

Rumors of straight up trade being laid on the table: Phillips for Cole Hamels. Not sure if this is legit or not.
That move reeks of panic by the Phillies. Fear of not being able to resign Hamels, and fear that Utley's not coming back. :2

[Starscream]

Ok, so lets say this trade happens. Who will be our second baseman?

That's why I don't like this idea. Frazier is about our best option right now.:(
Valaika?
Gregorius?


We've got a good cast of not ready guys, but nothing that will provide Phillips style defense and offense.

[elderboy02]

...Phillips Gold Gloves are well deserved, but last year was a product of home score keeping ...

You are aware that he does play half of the season on the road and there is no home score keeper to help him out?

[chippewastud79]

You are aware that he does play half of the season on the road and there is no home score keeper to help him out?

I have seen multiple plays at GABP where he should have gotten errors, not saying he should have 20 more, but at least 5 balls that he got a pass on. One he booted it, and then threw it in the dirt past Votto and no error. :hm :2

[elderboy02]

I have seen multiple plays at GABP where he should have gotten errors, not saying he should have 20 more, but at least 5 balls that he got a pass on. One he booted it, and then threw it in the dirt past Votto and no error. :hm :2

I don't know, I feel it is a wash. He doesn't get a positive mark when he makes a play that not many other 2B's could even get to.

[Starscream]

I have seen multiple plays at GABP where he should have gotten errors, not saying he should have 20 more, but at least 5 balls that he got a pass on. One he booted it, and then threw it in the dirt past Votto and no error. :hm :2

Even so, he's still worth a sh!t ton of money, and he deserves it. I just hope he doesn't sign that big contract (for us or any other team) and wind up like Uttley.

[chippewastud79]

I don't know, I feel it is a wash. He doesn't get a positive mark when he makes a play that not many other 2B's could even get to.

Come on, take off the glasses. He makes a lot of good plays, but he doesn't make a lot of plays that other 2B's can't. Its like saying that Stubbs gets to more fly balls than other CF's. You need to stop listening to the Reds home broadcast team. ;)

[chippewastud79]

Even so, he's still worth a sh!t ton of money, and he deserves it. I just hope he doesn't sign that big contract (for us or any other team) and wind up like Uttley.

He is a good 2B, and he will probably stay in Cincinnati. The problem is, this is the year they have to win, because Votto is gone either thru free agency or a trade. Hopefully they get a trade and get some value for him. Same with Phillips, if they can't resign him, they better trade him for something. Maybe this trade talk is an indication that Phillips doesn't want to stay. :hm

[elderboy02]

He is a good 2B, and he will probably stay in Cincinnati. The problem is, this is the year they have to win, because Votto is gone either thru free agency or a trade. Hopefully they get a trade and get some value for him. Same with Phillips, if they can't resign him, they better trade him for something. Maybe this trade talk is an indication that Phillips doesn't want to stay. :hm

Phillips has said on twitter numerous times that he wants to stay here, but I don't blame him for wanting more $$$ Gotta get paid ;)

[chippewastud79]

Phillips has said on twitter numerous times that he wants to stay here, but I don't blame him for wanting more $$$ Gotta get paid ;)

Cincinnati is a small market team, they can't come up with the scratch that almost any other team in the MLB can. If they buy one big player it forces them to play lesser quality prospects (Stubbs, Bailey) or get over the hill players (Renteria, Rolen). Their farm system seems to be good, but they management has no patience to allow players to develop. They rush everyone to the Big Show and try and develop them on the fly. :bh

[Starscream]

And our new closer will never pitch a game this year. Madson out for the season for Tommy John surgery...:(

[chippewastud79]

And our new closer will never pitch a game this year. Madson out for the season for Tommy John surgery...:(

Nice pick up :rolleyes:

[elderboy02]

It will be interesting to see if Marshall can be a great closer. Chapman will be a nice set-up guy.

[Starscream]

It will be interesting to see if Marshall can be a great closer. Chapman will be a nice set-up guy.

Meh. I'd rather see Chapman in the rotation in Louisville than be in the pen in Cincy. After he proves himself as a starter for the Bats, then lets see what he can do for the Reds' rotation later this year or next year.

[chippewastud79]

It will be interesting to see if Marshall can be a great closer. Chapman will be a nice set-up guy.

'Great' and Reds pitching do not go in the same sentence, Cordero was a decent closer, Marshall won't be much better, if at all. :rolleyes:

Chapman can't pitch on the reg, and once he gets a few days in a row, he falls apart. The league seemed to have figured out that he doesn't throw many strikes and the 3rd day in a row he is worthless. His best shot is back in the rotation like he was in Cuba, but a high pitch count and as the season wears on, I think he will become even worse. Afraid to say it, but he is showing signs that his arm is already worn out. :td

[Starscream]

'Great' and Reds pitching do not go in the same sentence, Cordero was a decent closer, Marshall won't be much better, if at all. :rolleyes:

Chapman can't pitch on the reg, and once he gets a few days in a row, he falls apart. The league seemed to have figured out that he doesn't throw many strikes and the 3rd day in a row he is worthless. His best shot is back in the rotation like he was in Cuba, but a high pitch count and as the season wears on, I think he will become even worse. Afraid to say it, but he is showing signs that his arm is already worn out. :td

I haven't given up on him yet, but he's been a bust so far. And that's not completely his fault. The Reds organization has completely mishandled this kid. He should have been groomed for the rotation since day one.

[chippewastud79]

I haven't given up on him yet, but he's been a bust so far. And that's not completely his fault. The Reds organization has completely mishandled this kid. He should have been groomed for the rotation since day one.

The Reds don't groom anyone. Just rush prospects to the Big Show without developing anything. They are supposed to have a nice farm system, its just too bad they never stay there. :td

[Starscream]

The Reds don't groom anyone. Just rush prospects to the Big Show without developing anything. They are supposed to have a nice farm system, its just too bad they never stay there. :td
Agreed.:(

[elderboy02]

1 week away! :tu :banger :tu :banger :tu

[Starscream]

I'm excited! Win or lose, I'm ready for the season to start.

[Starscream]

Final spot in the rotation? Bailey or Chapman.
I'm assuming Cueto, Latos, Arroyo, and Leake are already no-brainers.

[elderboy02]

I think they will go with Bailey.

[hotreds]

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120331/SPT04/303310068/2012-Reds-season-preview?source=nletter-nletter-sports

[kelmac07]

Homer Bailey is a lot like Mike Pelfrey...loads of talent, but can't seem to put it together.

[Starscream]

Homer Bailey is a lot like Mike Pelfrey...loads of talent, but can't seem to put it together.

Spot on. It's a shame that the Reds have a lot of guys who have talent but can never put it together.:(

[elderboy02]

Glad to see we traded away Juan Francisco. He either hit the ball a long way, or struck out badly.

[chippewastud79]

Glad to see we traded away Juan Francisco. He either hit the ball a long way, or struck out badly.

Why are you so in love with Stubbs and Bruce? ;)

[Starscream]

Glad to see we traded away Juan Francisco. He either hit the ball a long way, or struck out badly.

That's what happens when you show up for ST overweight, unhealthy, and unprepared.

[Starscream]

Votto signs a 10 yr. $225 million contract and no one is hyped in here but me?

:wo
:banger
:wo
:banger

[chippewastud79]

Votto signs a 10 yr. $225 million contract and no one is hyped in here but me?

:wo

:banger

Did not see that one coming, especially for such a light number. Free-agency would have gotten him at least $25M more. Brandon Phillips is all but gone now. They have chosen to move forward with Votto as the center of the team. I think it the better move. Hopefully they won't have the money to re-sign Stubbs when he comes up now. :hm


I hope they have really committed to spending the cash to keep the team competitive and don't surround Votto with scrubs because they spent too much money on him. :bh

[hotreds]

Outstanding!:tu:tu

[Starscream]

Did not see that one coming, especially for such a light number. Free-agency would have gotten him at least $25M more. Brandon Phillips is all but gone now. They have chosen to move forward with Votto as the center of the team. I think it the better move. Hopefully they won't have the money to re-sign Stubbs when he comes up now. :hm


I hope they have really committed to spending the cash to keep the team competitive and don't surround Votto with scrubs because they spent too much money on him. :bh

Amen!:r:r

[WhoDeySchenk]

Actually Jim Bowden tweeted earlier tonight that even after Votto deal, Reds talking with Phillips about extension.

[chippewastud79]

Actually Jim Bowden tweeted earlier tonight that even after Votto deal, Reds talking with Phillips about extension.

They must be trippling their payroll. Well done spending some serious cash to remain competitive, but where is the big arm pitching staff? :confused:

[WhoDeySchenk]

They must be trippling their payroll. Well done spending some serious cash to remain competitive, but where is the big arm pitching staff? :confused:

Getting Tommy John surgery:rolleyes:

[chippewastud79]

Getting Tommy John surgery:rolleyes:

Boom. :tu

[elderboy02]

I am pumped to see them sign Votto long term. Now lets hope we can lock Phillips up too. :tu

[hotreds]

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120402/SPT04/304020077/Reds-roster-rotation-set?source=nletter-nletter-sports

[Starscream]

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120402/SPT04/304020077/Reds-roster-rotation-set?source=nletter-nletter-sports

I'm kinda upset to see Bailey make the rotation and Chapman in the pen.

[chippewastud79]

I'm kinda upset to see Bailey make the rotation and Chapman in the pen.

:tpd: But I think it is only a matter of time before Chapman ends up on the DL with Tommy John surgery. They really don't have any sure-fire starters after the first 2, with the Votto signing, they made a committment to be a better ball club, so some great pitching pickups should be soon to follow. :hm

[Starscream]

:tpd: But I think it is only a matter of time before Chapman ends up on the DL with Tommy John surgery. They really don't have any sure-fire starters after the first 2, with the Votto signing, they made a committment to be a better ball club, so some great pitching pickups should be soon to follow. :hm

And I thought I was the only one who saw Tommy John written all over Chapman's arm when we first signed him.

[elderboy02]

I didn't know you all were doctors. Why worry about it? If it happens, it happens.

[icehog3]

I didn't know you all were doctors. Why worry about it? If it happens, it happens.

:wo :banger :D :banger :wo

[chippewastud79]

I didn't know you all were doctors. Why worry about it? If it happens, it happens.

I know you don't watch much baseball that isn't played in GABP. The last guy I remember that threw as hard as Chapman, was Zumaya, and he hasn't pitched in 2 seasons. You can only throw that hard for so long before your elbow says, 'F you'. :rolleyes:

[elderboy02]

I know you don't watch much baseball that isn't played in GABP. The last guy I remember that threw as hard as Chapman, was Zumaya, and he hasn't pitched in 2 seasons. You can only throw that hard for so long before your elbow says, 'F you'. :rolleyes:

I watch baseball outside of GABP and I have seen Zumaya. Doesn't mean Chapman will get hurt. Maybe he is healthier. :sh

[hotreds]

I know you don't watch much baseball that isn't played in GABP. The last guy I remember that threw as hard as Chapman, was Zumaya, and he hasn't pitched in 2 seasons. You can only throw that hard for so long before your elbow says, 'F you'. :rolleyes:

Nolan Ryan threw pretty hard and pitched 24 years!

[Stephen]

I'm kinda upset to see Bailey make the rotation and Chapman in the pen.
If you like Chapman, you don't want him starting under Widowmaker.:2

[chippewastud79]

Nolan Ryan threw pretty hard and pitched 24 years!

He also played in the era before performance enhancing drugs and year-round trainning, those take a larger toll on these pitchers bodies as they train. Ryan also had the ability to do something other than throw the ball 100 mph to get guys out. There will never be another like the Ryan Express, these guys aren't built like they used to be. They are so coddled and watched, scientific break downs, bigger faster stronger emphasis. Its just a different age of baseball, with more injuries and less seasons. :2

[Starscream]

If you like Chapman, you don't want him starting under Widowmaker.:2

I'm assuming the Widowmaker is Dusty? And the thought that Dusty kills pitchers' arms is a bit overblown.

[chippewastud79]

I'm assuming the Widowmaker is Dusty? And the thought that Dusty kills pitchers' arms is a bit overblown.

One of the articles I read recently with predictions for the season said "First Manager to be Fired?" One of the guys said, Dusty. Found that humorous. :sl

[Starscream]

One of the articles I read recently with predictions for the season said "First Manager to be Fired?" One of the guys said, Dusty. Found that humorous. :sl

I wouldn't doubt it. Dusty and Walt don't seem to agree on much lately.

[chippewastud79]

Not on ESPN for Opening Day? I thought it was a sellout? :hm


At least Dusty has Stubbs in the 7 spot to minimize his AB's and subsequently his K's. :tu

[688sonarmen]

Looks like Chapman has found some control. Good God!

[chippewastud79]

Reds Win! Reds Win! (Insert 5 smilies)

[Stephen]

Not on ESPN for Opening Day? I thought it was a sellout? :hm


At least Dusty has Stubbs in the 7 spot to minimize his AB's and subsequently his K's. :tu
It was on ESPN2.

[Stephen]

I'm assuming the Widowmaker is Dusty? And the thought that Dusty kills pitchers' arms is a bit overblown.
I don't think you'll find many Cubs fans who agree with you on that. Right or no, I believe he played no small part in ruining Mark Prior. Shame, that guy could flat out deal. And no, I'm not a Cubbies fan.

[chippewastud79]

It was on ESPN2.

I know, Time Warner had it blacked out. :sh

[smitdavi]

Was actually impressed with the pitching today. Could be a good year for the Red Legs.

[elderboy02]

And this one belongs to the Reds! :banger :tu :banger :tu :)

What a way to start the year!

[never_enough]

Go Reds!! Was excited to see it on ESPN2 so I could watch it up here. Really missed watching them last year. Went from watching a TON of games to maybe 5. Might have to spring for the MLB package this year.

[Stephen]

I know, Time Warner had it blacked out. :sh
That sucks. Sorry you had to miss the home opener.

[Starscream]

I don't think you'll find many Cubs fans who agree with you on that. Right or no, I believe he played no small part in ruining Mark Prior. Shame, that guy could flat out deal. And no, I'm not a Cubbies fan.

Prior and Wood are really the only two names that keep coming up in the debate. Although I'm not Dusty's biggest fan by any means, he hasn't ruined any arms in Cincy, and I don't think he did in San Fran either. Cubs fans are just negative.:D



I picked my two boys up early from school to prepare for the game today. Not as exciting as last year's opening day, but it was a good one. Back to back wins on Opening Day!

Cueto was excellent, as was Chapman and Marshall. Every starter got on base today.

[hotreds]

Not on ESPN for Opening Day? I thought it was a sellout? :hm


ESPN home games are blacked out no matter what. (Sunday night might be the one exception.) Sell-outs don't matter in baseball like football. Also, if Fox Sports Cinci carries the game all other stations carrying it will be blacked out as well.

[chippewastud79]

That sucks. Sorry you had to miss the home opener.

Just got stuck watching it on FSN Ohio. I just don't like hearing the homers talk about how Drew Stubbs is a future Gold Glover and Jay Bruce is going to have 50/100 this season and will be the MVP some day. :rolleyes:

[Stephen]

Prior and Wood are really the only two names that keep coming up in the debate. Although I'm not Dusty's biggest fan by any means, he hasn't ruined any arms in Cincy, and I don't think he did in San Fran either. Cubs fans are just negative.:D
I distinctly remember hearing grumblings about his overuse of Livan Hernandez and Rob Nen while he was in San Francisco, but ultimately I don't know enough to make an informed opinion. I do however know just enough to fire off a sarcastic one-liner.:D

[Stephen]

Just got stuck watching it on FSN Ohio. I just don't like hearing the homers talk about how Drew Stubbs is a future Gold Glover and Jay Bruce is going to have 50/100 this season and will be the MVP some day. :rolleyes:
To be fair, he is on pace for 162/324.:D

[Starscream]

Just got stuck watching it on FSN Ohio. I just don't like hearing the homers talk about how Drew Stubbs is a future Gold Glover and Jay Bruce is going to have 50/100 this season and will be the MVP some day. :rolleyes:

I don't mind listening to Thom, but Welsh is terrible.

[Starscream]

To be fair, he is on pace for 162/324.:D

That's Dan's line.:D
:banger

[chippewastud79]

That's Dan's line.:D
:banger

Stubbs is only on pace for 162 K's this year. :banger

[Starscream]

Stubbs is only on pace for 162 K's this year. :banger

If he can keep laying down a bunt like he did yesterday, his K rate will go down drastically.

That was one of the best push bunts I've seen in a while.

[Starscream]

An ugly loss tonight. Our new potential "ace" only goes 4 2/3 innings.
Why did we even bother claiming Simon off of waivers? I'll be p!ssed if I ever see him on the mound for us again (unless it's already a lost cause).

Still, there are some positives. Votto got his first HR out of the way, as did Cozart with a HR and a triple.

[elderboy02]

Cozart sure did look great! :tu

Latos just couldn't get his breaking ball working tonight. He kept coming up short on the pitch so they weren't even swinging at it.

[chippewastud79]

An ugly loss tonight. Our new potential "ace" only goes 4 2/3 innings.
Why did we even bother claiming Simon off of waivers? I'll be p!ssed if I ever see him on the mound for us again (unless it's already a lost cause).

Still, there are some positives. Votto got his first HR out of the way, as did Cozart with a HR and a triple.

Cozart is dang impressive so far. Nice to see some hyped talent live up to it (at least in his limited exposure) after being force fed Stubbs, Bruce and Bailey as future HOF'ers. :tu

[Starscream]

Cozart sure did look great! :tu

Latos just couldn't get his breaking ball working tonight. He kept coming up short on the pitch so they weren't even swinging at it.

To be fair, Meseraco kept calling for breaking balls, even though Latos couldn't get 'em over the plate in the 5th inning. Not sure if that is Meseraco's call or someone in the dugout. Either way, Latos doesn't shake off pitch calls very much.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

[hotreds]

:banger:tu:banger:tu:banger

[chippewastud79]

bishes

[Starscream]

Helluvan ending to this one!

[chippewastud79]

Helluvan ending to this one!

Maybe they are back to getting lucky like they did two years ago and all the bounces at the end of the games will go their way. Last season was a little bit more of a reality check, maybe today is the start of getting lucky at the end of games again. :tu

[Starscream]

Maybe they are back to getting lucky like they did two years ago and all the bounces at the end of the games will go their way. Last season was a little bit more of a reality check, maybe today is the start of getting lucky at the end of games again. :tu

They had the most 9th inning wins last year too. Tied with Atl.

[chippewastud79]

They had the most 9th inning wins last year too. Tied with Atl.

Makes it nice to be in such a weak division with no real shut-down closers. :tu

[Starscream]

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1611594#post1611594

http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy356/andrewsutherland2002/assessments031.jpg
http://i807.photobucket.com/albums/yy356/andrewsutherland2002/assessments030.jpg

Thanks Hugh! This looks to be the year that the Reds could make the playoffs again, and could possibly (I know I'm drinking the Kool-Aid) make the WS.

I've been thinking about ordering some Vottos cereal, but Hugh already took care of that for me, plus some smokes and a cozy. I'm forever grateful, brother.:tu

[elderboy02]

Nice hit by a great BOTL on a great BOTL :tu

[chippewastud79]

Phillips gets his extension. :tu

[Starscream]

Six years at $72.5 mil or is it $75 mil. Either way it's looking good now, but we're gonna struggle in about 4 to 5 years down the road. Even so, I'm glad of both the Votto and Phillips signing.:tu

[elderboy02]

I love seeing Phillips getting his extension! :tu :banger

The other teams are sure gonna have a hard time getting a hit on the right side of the infield for a long time :tu

[hotreds]

Yup- management has done their part. Now, let's see if the players can earn their keep and do theirs!

[Starscream]

Yup- management has done their part. Now, let's see if the players can earn their keep and do theirs!

And we as fans gotta do our part to help pay the bill.

[Starscream]

Man, Cozart has this thing figured out!

[Starscream]

Another walkoff.
Too bad this one was given to us on a silver platter with Berkman and Freese out of the lineup and we still barely pulled it off.

[chippewastud79]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :5smilies:

Another walkoff.
Too bad this one was given to us on a silver platter with Berkman and Freese out of the lineup and we still barely pulled it off.

Hey, with the way they have played so far, any win is a good win. ;)

[Starscream]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :5smilies:



Hey, with the way they have played so far, any win is a good win. ;)

We actually did get some hits today for once. Valdez looked great with a push bunt and a squeeze bunt. Stubbs got on base twice, and Heisey actually came through for once.

[688sonarmen]

Great game guys! I came in at the 7th and it was a close one!

[Starscream]

Great game guys! I came in at the 7th and it was a close one!

If Berkman, Freese, and Beltran were in the lineup, I don't think it would have been as close. Still, Cueto and Chapman pitched a good game. Pitching was good on both sides, despite what the Cards broadcast team said.:)

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

[chippewastud79]

Good to see Stubbs back in the leadoff role :bh

[icehog3]

:( :( :( :( :(

[Starscream]

Good to see Stubbs back in the leadoff role :bh

He wasn't too bad yesterday, but he looked absolutely foolish once again today. I'm through with this cat. Ship his ass down to Louisville.

Dusty must have wanted to go back to the hotel early b/c no one in their right mind would have put piece of shyte Simon on the mound in a tie game.

[Starscream]

:( :( :( :(

:r

[chippewastud79]

He wasn't too bad yesterday, but he looked absolutely foolish once again today. I'm through with this cat. Ship his ass down to Louisville.

Dusty must have wanted to go back to the hotel early b/c no one in their right mind would have put piece of shyte Simon on the mound in a tie game.

Stubbs is just not a good baseball player, his 'defense' doesn't even come close to making up for his more than 1K per game and less than 1 time getting to 1st base in a game. He couldn't hit in the minors, and still struck out, but they decide to throw him in the big show anyways. :bh


It makes you wonder how Chapman is going to fair over the course of the season when they couldn't use him a 3rd day in a row. :sh

[Starscream]

Stubbs is just not a good baseball player, his 'defense' doesn't even come close to making up for his more than 1K per game and less than 1 time getting to 1st base in a game. He couldn't hit in the minors, and still struck out, but they decide to throw him in the big show anyways. :bh


It makes you wonder how Chapman is going to fair over the course of the season when they couldn't use him a 3rd day in a row. :sh

Chapman's in the pen. He shouldn't have been used three days straight. Dusty messed up big time putting Simon in, but he was right not to use Chapman.

[chippewastud79]

Chapman's in the pen. He shouldn't have been used three days straight. Dusty messed up big time putting Simon in, but he was right not to use Chapman.
But when people call for him to be a closer, he would have to pitch multiple days in a row. A lot of set-up men can pitch an inning, 3 days in a row. People want him to be a starter, but he can't last 100 pitches and needs a full 5 days rest. :sh

[Starscream]

But when people call for him to be a closer, he would have to pitch multiple days in a row. A lot of set-up men can pitch an inning, 3 days in a row. People want him to be a starter, but he can't last 100 pitches and needs a full 5 days rest. :sh

Neither can Bailey and Latos at this point. I'd take Chappy over either of them.
Latos can't make it past the fifth in his first two starts. Bailey just sucks. Chapman has been great so far, it's time to stretch him back out and put him as the fourth starter in the rotation.
Cueto, Arroyo, Chapman, Leake, and Latos. I could live with that order for our rotation.

[hotreds]

:( :( :( :( :(

This is a Reds, not a Black Hawks thread!

[Starscream]

Dusty causes us to lose two straight. Arroyo should have finished the 8th, then Marshall in the ninth. We would have won 1-0.

[elderboy02]

Dusty causes us to lose two straight. Arroyo should have finished the 8th, then Marshall in the ninth. We would have won 1-0.

Agreed.

[Starscream]

BC has signed both Votto and Phillips longterm and is wondering why fans won't put asses in seats. Maybe if he put Chapman in the rotation, then he would sell more tickets. Remember Chapman sold out when he made his debut, and attendance was pretty high when he made his '11 debut. People will pay money to see a guy pitch between 96-106. Look in Washington, Strassburg has sold plenty of seats for their organization. Win or lose, if BC wants attendance up, put Chappy in the rotation.

[chippewastud79]

I blame Dan's boy. O'fer 11 in the series with 6 K's. A great leadoff hitter, future HOF'er. :bh

[chippewastud79]

BC has signed both Votto and Phillips longterm and is wondering why fans won't put asses in seats. Maybe if he put Chapman in the rotation, then he would sell more tickets. Remember Chapman sold out when he made his debut, and attendance was pretty high when he made his '11 debut. People will pay money to see a guy pitch between 96-106. Look in Washington, Strassburg has sold plenty of seats for their organization. Win or lose, if BC wants attendance up, put Chappy in the rotation.

Chapman in the rotation only works if he is pitching well. The problem I forsee is, when he gets a little worn down or later in the games when he starts getting tagged. No one comes to watch Homer Bailey, who is barely a decent AAA pitcher, and he was 'the next big thing' coming thru the organization at one point in time. :2

[Starscream]

That was the worst game of the year so far. When are the bats gonna wake up? I'm about sick of this already.

[chippewastud79]

That was the worst game of the year so far. When are the bats gonna wake up? I'm about sick of this already.

Stubbs bat did wake up. 1-14 in the series, 7K's :td


The pitching was supposed to be the issue, unfortunately, they can't hit anything right now. :sh

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :noon:noon:noon:banger:tu

[hotreds]

Votto!

[Starscream]

More than decent pitching this year (despite some setbacks), but the offense just can't pull through in the long run. Ludwick hits a grand slam and we go to extra innings again? Wow...

[elderboy02]

Hopefully after the day off our bats will start to wake up.

[chippewastud79]

Good series so far :bh

Stubbs does have 2 hits to raise his average almost 50 points in two games. Almost back to .200 :tu

[elderboy02]

4-8 and 5 games back. We are really sucking right now...

[chippewastud79]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :5 smilies:

IBD

[Starscream]

Last night was terrible. Didn't see today's game.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu

Stubbs had a great game today including a HR :)

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs had a great game today including a HR :)

You still want the bet that Stubbs won't hit .315?;)

[Starscream]

Today's notable fact: The win today against the Cubs was the Cincinnati Reds' 10,000th win.

Nice!

[Starscream]

You still want the bet that Stubbs won't hit .315?;)

I'll bet that Stubbs won't hit .315!:)

[chippewastud79]

I'll bet that Stubbs won't hit .315!:)

Dan won't. ;s

[chippewastud79]

Today's notable fact: The win today against the Cubs was the Cincinnati Reds' 10,000th win.

Nice!

Nice that the wind was 35 mph blowing in for 'Fly Ball' Bailey. Hopefully the series against the terrible Cubs will boost their confidence. :tu

I also found it odd and funny that Dusty claimed he was the manager of the Giants when they won their 10,000 game. Really, Dusty? :td

[688sonarmen]

Congrats on 10,000 guys!

[hotreds]

Larry:- ok, Adam: Possibly Dusty was the Gints' mamager when they one number 10,000- remember they were in NY from early in the '00s.

[chippewastud79]

Larry:- ok, Adam: Possibly Dusty was the Gints' mamager when they one number 10,000- remember they were in NY from early in the '00s.

The San Fancisco (New York baseball) Giants won their 10,000th game in 2005, 3 years after Dusty left. ;)

[hotreds]

Oh, well.... poor Dusty- I can vouch that memory fades once you hit 50!

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

[Starscream]

Larry:- ok, Adam: Possibly Dusty was the Gints' mamager when they one number 10,000- remember they were in NY from early in the '00s.

PWI, Hugh?:D
Gints'
mamager
"one"


Just messin' with ya.

[Starscream]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

Not today. Leake was throwing BP to the Cubbies.

[chippewastud79]

Not today. Leake was throwing BP to the Cubbies.

Bailey was yesterday too, but the wind howling straight in helped. ;)

I really thought they would be sweeping the Cubs with them coming off 6 straight losses on a road trip. :sh

[hotreds]

PWI, Hugh?:D
Gints'
mamager
"one"


Just messin' with ya.


Gints yes- others shame on me!

[Starscream]

Bailey was yesterday too, but the wind howling straight in helped. ;)

I really thought they would be sweeping the Cubs with them coming off 6 straight losses on a road trip. :sh

6 Straight? They beat the Cards in the last game.

[chippewastud79]

6 Straight? They beat the Cards in the last game.

The Cubs, they were playing bad, but they found a way to beat the Reds. :confused:

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

[Starscream]

Hey Dan, where you at?
:banger:banger:banger:banger:banger

[Starscream]

Tonight was one of those games that pads our offensive numbers and makes us look better than what we are.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! We beat an outstanding pitcher.

:banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

[chippewastud79]

Reds win! Reds win! We beat an outstanding pitcher.



The Reds beat the bullpen, I was surprised Bochy pulled Cain so early. ;)

[elderboy02]

The Reds beat the bullpen, I was surprised Bochy pulled Cain so early. ;)

Give the Reds credit for getting 2 runs off of him early and working him hard the first few innings.

[chippewastud79]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :smiles:stupid:dumdum:whocares:dan

IBTD

[elderboy02]

And this one belongs to the Reds! :banger :tu :) :banger :tu

[hotreds]

Maybe they've turned the corner???!

[chippewastud79]

World Series, here they come! :tu

[elderboy02]

Maybe they've turned the corner???!

We are only 2.5 back now and we won 3 in a row. :tu Hopefully this afternoon we can sweep the Giants :)

[hotreds]

It's all Stubbs' fault!

[chippewastud79]

It's all Stubbs' fault!

3 K's, he was falling behind the pace, had to get back into the top 25 :tu

[Starscream]

It's funny how after one bad day that suddenly 1,000s of Reds fans are calling for Chapman to be the closer.

[chippewastud79]

It's funny how after one bad day that suddenly 1,000s of Reds fans are calling for Chapman to be the closer.

If he could pitch everyday, then its a great idea. Unfortunately, I am not sure he can close everyday. :sh

[elderboy02]

On a positive note, I am glad to see Ondrusek dominate so far this year. I know previously we were all calling him OndruSUCK.

[hotreds]

It's all Stubbs' fault!


+1

[Starscream]

Gonna be a miracle if we can beat the Asstros in game 1.

[hotreds]

Dammit, Drew!

[elderboy02]

It is all Stubbs' fault

[hotreds]

Entirely without question or a doubt.

[hotreds]

Another "K" for Stubbs.

[hotreds]

Stubbs loses another game!

[Starscream]

But we win today. Cueto is a true gamer and has come into his own.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

[hotreds]

Stubbs sucks

[chippewastud79]

I appreciate the fact that you guys are coming around on Stubbs :tu

[chippewastud79]

Cueto looks like a daggum Cy Young candidate. :tu

[hotreds]

I appreciate the fact that you guys are coming around on Stubbs :tu

yup Stubbs sucks

[Starscream]

...and this one belongs to the Reds!

Another 0 fer for Stubbs. He couldn't even figure out how to lay down a drag bunt today...

[hotreds]

Dammit Drew!

[elderboy02]

Stubbs was awesome robbing dude of a HR.

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

Stubbs sucks!

[Starscream]

Stubbs was awesome robbing dude of a HR.

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

Stubbs sucks!

I will give him credit in the outfield. He's not the best CF in baseball by any means, but his speed makes up for a lot out there.

[chippewastud79]

I will give him credit in the outfield. He's not the best CF in baseball by any means, but his speed makes up for a lot out there.

He did stop that double yesterday. :tu

[never_enough]

Missing Reds baseball no matter how awful or good it is. :sad

[chippewastud79]

Anyone headed to Wrigley South this week? Moerlein Lager House is offering some specials. :tu

http://omgreds.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/moerlein-lager-house_wrigley-south_01.jpg

[hotreds]

Stubbs sucks

[Starscream]

Reds postponed! Reds postponed! :banger:banger

[hotreds]

Stubbs sucks!

[hotreds]

water

[elderboy02]

Water sucks. It is all Drew Stubbs' fault

[Starscream]

Water sucks. It is all Drew Stubbs' fault

Stuck Fubbs!

[hotreds]

Roger that! We'll hafta discuss at length on Sat!

[Starscream]

Anyone headed to Wrigley South this week? Moerlein Lager House is offering some specials. :tu

http://omgreds.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/moerlein-lager-house_wrigley-south_01.jpg

I haven't been to Cincy since 1990, but the guy is just trying to make money. P!ssing off the home crowd isn't great business, but I can't fault him.

[chippewastud79]

I haven't been to Cincy since 1990, but the guy is just trying to make money. P!ssing off the home crowd isn't great business, but I can't fault him.

Up until the last few seasons, Cubs fans out numbered Reds fans at home. Kind of like Steelers fans in Paul Brown Stadium. A lot of people called it Wrigley South because of the sheer number of Cubs fans there. Its a good marketing ploy, and if the Reds were as bad as a few years ago, no one would likely make a stink about it. :rolleyes:

[hotreds]

Another loss for Stubbs, who sucks- wind, not water, tonight.

[chippewastud79]

I guess Samardzija chose the right sport. The Reds couldn't touch him last night. :sh

[hotreds]

Don't blame the Reds- blame Drew Stubbs. C'mon, now!

[chippewastud79]

Don't blame the Reds- blame Drew Stubbs. C'mon, now!

Stubbs is just one of their many problems right now. He isn't expected to get hits, its guys like Votto and Phillips and somehow they can't find a decent pinch hitter. :sh

[hotreds]

It's ALL Stubbs' fault.

[elderboy02]

It's ALL Stubbs' fault.

Yep. I agree with this 100%

Release Stubbs! Do it for the children of America! :tu

[hotreds]

And their parents!

[chippewastud79]

Like the lineup Dusty threw together today, is he trying to give away an extra game? :hm

[chippewastud79]

Comeback! Reds Win! Reds Win! :banger :tu :D :noon :gary

[elderboy02]

Like the lineup Dusty threw together today, is he trying to give away an extra game? :hm

He threw together a winning lineup :tu

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger

[chippewastud79]

He threw together a winning lineup :tu



Those pinch hitters helped. ;) His starting lineup was deplorable. :td

[hotreds]

Stubbs still sucks.

[Starscream]

Stubbs is the least of this team's worries right now. Harris is crap and needs to be DFA'd or released, Rolen is terrible at the plate, Frazier needs to get starts at third, and Dusty needs to learn how to make a fu@K!ng lineup. Yesterday's lineup was terrible. I could see it if they hadn't had any off days, but an off day, a rainout, and then sitting the left side of the infield after one game was friggin' ridonkulous! I hear Dusty's on a short leash right now. It's high time for him to go.

[Starscream]

I've never been a big Dusty hater, but yesterday's lineup just p!ssed me off to no end. We give the mediocre big name guy extensions, while Showalter and Johnson show the rest of the league how a manager should really manage a game. It's high time for us to get a manager who isn't laid back. Time to fire this team up and get us winning consistently.

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs is the least of this team's worries right now. Harris is crap and needs to be DFA'd or released, Rolen is terrible at the plate, Frazier needs to get starts at third, and Dusty needs to learn how to make a fu@K!ng lineup. Yesterday's lineup was terrible. I could see it if they hadn't had any off days, but an off day, a rainout, and then sitting the left side of the infield after one game was friggin' ridonkulous! I hear Dusty's on a short leash right now. It's high time for him to go. .

Don't bring baseball discussion into this thread, Dan and Hugh are on a roll. ;)

I agree, yesterdays lineup was crap, he got bailed out when he put in the regulars and the Cubs blew the 9th inning with errors. I tried to interject that, but Dan saw the final score and was more than happy with Dusty's 'managing' of the game :rolleyes:

[Starscream]

Don't bring baseball discussion into this thread, Dan and Hugh are on a roll. ;)

I agree, yesterdays lineup was crap, he got bailed out when he put in the regulars and the Cubs blew the 9th inning with errors. :rolleyes:

A guy on the Reds forum over at Cincy.com said that this was Dusty's master plan. Starters couldn't hit Dempster, so he saved them until late in the game against relievers and Marmol. I'm 99% sure the post was being sarcastic, but even so, I just don't think Dusty's that smart.:D Not even Nostradamus could've predicted that Marmol would've walked that many guys in the 9th.

[chippewastud79]

A guy on the Reds forum over at Cincy.com said that this was Dusty's master plan. Starters couldn't hit Dempster, so he saved them until late in the game against relievers and Marmol. I'm 99% sure the post was being sarcastic, but even so, I just don't think Dusty's that smart.:D

Not at all, he threw that lineup out there like it was get-away-day after a 10 game road trip, rather than the second game in a row after a day off. You can't tell me the guys weren't rested enough to play 9 innings. He got bailed out and in the box score looks like he knew what he was doing. :bh

[Starscream]

Not at all, he threw that lineup out there like it was get-away-day after a 10 game road trip, rather than the second game in a row after a day off. You can't tell me the guys weren't rested enough to play 9 innings. He got bailed out and in the box score looks like he knew what he was doing. :bh

I've never been a Dusty hater (and yet I've never been his biggest fan either), but yesterday royally p!ssed me off! I'm taking a day or two to get over it, but right now, I'd say it's time for Dusty to go to the house or the booth at ESPN on a permanent basis. We won yesterday despite him and his stupid lineup. I hope in a day or two I settle down, but right now I've become a Dusty hater. That was absolutely inexcusable, regardless of the win. I know Dusty plays hunches, but if I put that kind of lineup card up on my 9th grade team after that many off days, I'm sure the Varsity coach would have told me to go the Hell home and never come back.

If a guy isn't hitting well, you don't put him out there expecting that he's due for a hit. He's probably not going to hit. You put the guys out there who are hot at that moment. I don't mind changing the lineup because guys are hot, but you don't put your worst hitter in the two hole simply because you think he is due.

Willie Harris is absolutely worthless, and couldn't hit in a low A ball game, and probably not in a high school game. .098 average and he's in the two hole? F*** Dusty and HARRIS! Stubbs is an All-Star compared to this guy. And we all thought Patterson/Taveras/Renteria was bad...

[elderboy02]

Stubbs hit a HR tonight, but he still sucks.

[elderboy02]

And this one belongs to the Reds! :banger:banger:tu:tu:banger

[hotreds]

Stubbs sucks. They need to send him down to Dayton so we can take a drive up there and boo him. Adam's treat, since he is our lead boo bird.

[Starscream]

Dan and Hugh, we get your point about Stubbs. Now let's get some hate on the true reasons we're not winning:
Dusty
Harris
Rolen's offense
No true leadoff or cleanup hitter
Left Field situation

[hotreds]

But, Stubbs sucks!

[Starscream]

Like I said in my PM to you, I know it's sarcasm, but we've got to focus on the worst aspects of this team right now.

Stubbs is a Greek God compared to Harris at the plate.
Dusty needs to go, and now if we're going to even have a slight chance at the playoffs. No one in the minors to bring up right now b/c we sold them in the offseason and Janish has been on fire, but he suffered from a broken wrist. We need a skipper who can motivate guys to hit and/or bring a new approach to our offense. Laid back Dusty isn't going to change anything.

[hotreds]

Stubbs sucks
Dusty sucks
Harris sucks
Rolen's offense sucks
leadoff and cleanup hitter suck
Left Field situation sucks

[Starscream]

Stubbs sucks
Dusty sucks
Harris sucks
Rolen's offense sucks
leadoff and cleanup hitter suck
Left Field situation sucks

That's more like it!:r

[elderboy02]

Everything about this team sucks! Sell the team to Canada. It is for the children! :tu

[Starscream]

Everything about this team sucks! Sell the team to Canada. It is for the children! :tu

We already did that when Votto signed that $225 million contract.

[hotreds]

Stubbs sucks
Dusty sucks
Harris sucks
Rolen's offense sucks
leadoff and cleanup hitter suck
Left Field situation sucks

[SteelCityBoy]

Not even seeing the score yet, I am guessing by the recent comments the Pirates won again and took the series? I'll take any win I can get! :D

Remember, the Pirates have put a new meaning to the term "suck" over the last 19 years! The Reds aren't that bad! :D

[chippewastud79]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :banger :tu :D

[SteelCityBoy]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :banger :tu :D

Doh! That's what I get for thinking positive I guess...usually I just check the scores assuming the succos lost and sometimes........I get a nice surprise and see that they won...

[hotreds]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :banger :tu :D

You're too damn positive, Larry!

[icehog3]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :banger :tu :D

No, not you too. :lr

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :banger :tu :banger :tu

[hotreds]

No, not you too. :lr

Three way i/o five way.

[icehog3]

:banger :banger :tu :banger :tu

[hotreds]

http://sportsclimax.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/funny-sports-pic-300x204.jpg

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :banger

[Brian D.]

Never, ever sign and bring into your baseball organization a pitcher named "Homer". You are tempting the gods of suckitudity more than they can possibly resist.

I mean really, would you sign a shortstop that happened to be named "Dropsy" or a power hitter called "Whiff"?

[elderboy02]

Never, ever sign and bring into your baseball organization a pitcher named "Homer". You are tempting the gods of suckitudity more than they can possibly resist.

I mean really, would you sign a shortstop that happened to be named "Dropsy" or a power hitter called "Whiff"?

:r Very true.

Dusty Baker sucks. He keeps playing Rolen even though he is terrible.

[chippewastud79]

:r Very true.

Dusty Baker sucks. He keeps playing Rolen even though he is terrible.

Baker is handcuffed by his roster. Lots of guys in the lineup everyday could be sat down on different occasions. Rolen is not playing well at all, but the same can be said for a lot of different players at different points in the season. The problem is not having great options. Heck, look at LF, they have no answer there. :rolleyes:

[elderboy02]

Baker is handcuffed by his roster. Lots of guys in the lineup everyday could be sat down on different occasions. Rolen is not playing well at all, but the same can be said for a lot of different players at different points in the season. The problem is not having great options. Heck, look at LF, they have no answer there. :rolleyes:

Yeah, but why keep putting Rolen in there when you have Frazier on the bench who is much better?

[chippewastud79]

Yeah, but why keep putting Rolen in there when you have Frazier on the bench who is much better?

Same reason he kept playing Willie Harris. ;)

[elderboy02]

Same reason he kept playing Willie Harris. ;)

Very true. Dusty is a moron :r

[Starscream]

We won today by the skin of our teeth. Marshall and Ondrusek both made it a nail-biter.

[hotreds]

I agree with EVERYTHING Larry says....

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :banger :banger :banger :banger

[Starscream]

When is it safe to start talking baseball in this thread again?

[elderboy02]

When is it safe to start talking baseball in this thread again?

I thought we were doing that :sh

[chippewastud79]

When is it safe to start talking baseball in this thread again?

When you and I start a discussion. ;)

[chippewastud79]

I thought we were doing that :sh

Reds win! Reds win!

Reds win! Reds win!

Reds win! Reds win!

Reds win! Reds win!

Reds win! Reds win!

Reds win! Reds win!

:hm

[elderboy02]

:hm

The Reds are a professional BASEBALL team located in Cincinnati, OH. Win is a description of what the aforementioned team did.

So, if I am saying what a BASEBALL TEAM DID, then I am talking BASEBALL :tu

I hope this helps your :hm

It isn't like I came in here talking about NASCAR and the NBA

[chippewastud79]

The Reds are a professional baseball team located in Cincinnati, OH. Win is a description of what the aforementioned team did.

So, if I am saying what a baseball team did, then I am talking baseball:tu

I hope this helps your :hm

It isn't like I came in here talking about NASCAR and the NBA

To keep the conversation going, will you post 'Reds Lose!' as well. When they have a day off, please post 'Reds Day Off!'. Those are also baseball discussion. ;)

[chippewastud79]

It was nice to see Votto save the day yesterday after Greinke completely shut them down. This team is worrisome, as it seems they can't ever get everything to line up at the same time. It will be interesting going forward to see how they progress against this weak division. :hm

[elderboy02]

To keep the conversation going, will you post 'Reds Lose!' as well. When they have a day off, please post 'Reds Day Off!'. Those are also baseball discussion. ;)

Nah, I tend to be a positive glass half full type of guy.