Red's Fans Check in

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :) :banger :noon

[elderboy02]

Reds sweep the world champion San Francisco Giants! :banger :tu :) :banger :tu

[hotreds]

Goofy isn't it? They're the biggest teasers in the league!

[chippewastud79]

6.5 games back and only 9.5 games out of the Wild Card:banger :tu :D

At least the Reds won the closest thing they are going to get to the World Series this year :rolleyes:

[hotreds]

It's always so refreshing to see your unceasing positive spin on the Reds, Adam!

[chippewastud79]

It's always so refreshing to see your unceasing positive spin on the Reds, Adam!

I am the realist where Dan is the idealist. :tu

[chippewastud79]

Anyone else surprised that the Reds didn't make any significant moves? Looks like the are cashing it in this year and hoping to 'develop talent' for next season. I really thought they would make a move to get back into contention. :hm

[Starscream]

Not surprised at all. We've been told we need a big bat in LF since Dunn left and they've done nothing. They did nothing this offseason either other than bring in Lewis and Renteria. Wasn't expecting much, despite Walt saying he was in buyer mode. Other than Rolen, I can't think of an impact player that Walt's brought us during his tenure. And Rolen was only an impact for the end of '09 and the first half of last year.

[chippewastud79]

Not surprised at all. We've been told we need a big bat in LF since Dunn left and they've done nothing. They did nothing this offseason either other than bring in Lewis and Renteria. Wasn't expecting much, despite Walt saying he was in buyer mode. Other than Rolen, I can't think of an impact player that Walt's brought us during his tenure. And Rolen was only an impact for the end of '09 and the first half of last year.

The more I see Walt do nothing, the more I am convinced he may have more control of the lineup than Dusty. Dusty's quote was something to the effect of "I guess we have to play with who we got", almost sounds like a quote that he was hoping to improve the roster. :hm

Walt is convinced that the team on the field is going to be competitive some day, well how long do Reds fans have to wait to see that? They have given Stubbs ample time to be a successful lead off hitter, and he bats .250 and lead the MLB in strikeouts. They have given Volquez and Bailey numerous starts and trips to Louisville to fix their problems and they still wouldn't be #5 starters on most contenders rotations. :td

I realize I am far from a Reds homer, but I am a sports fans and watching the hometown team put such a poor product on the field is kind of wiggity-whack. :rolleyes:

[elderboy02]

I am fine with them not making any trades. I was listening to Mo Egger and its like he said... 1 of the players out there would not help this team make up 6 games. It would not be worth trading away 2 prospects who may help us in the future as opposed to this season only.

[chippewastud79]

I am fine with them not making any trades. I was listening to Mo Egger and its like he said... 1 of the players out there would not help this team make up 6 games. It would not be worth trading away 2 prospects who may help us in the future as opposed to this season only.

The longer they wait to 'develop talent', the more likely it will be that Votto and Phillips are gone. ;)

[chippewastud79]

Nice follow up to sweeping the Giants by losing to the worst team in baseball, on errors by Stubbs and Hannigan no less. :rolleyes:

[Starscream]

Man that sucked. I bet Hanigan is pretty p!ssed at himself for that one. Once again, the highest scoring offense in baseball only scored three runs.:rolleyes:

[chippewastud79]

Man, its too bad Walt didn't pull off the supposed trade that was in the works. Votto for Bautista straight up. That would have been a great trade for both sides. :hm

[Starscream]

Not sure I would want it (I'm a little shaky on Bautista), but it would have fixed the LF situation and open a spot up for Alonso.

[Starscream]

Any thoughts on Alonso? Is he gonna be the next Votto, or is he gonna be another Bruce (who would be great if he could get consistent)? We keep hearing so much about this kid, but he hasn't shown a lot since being called up (even though he hasn't gotten a lot of time in). He definitely doesn't belong in LF. Looks a lot like Adam Dunn's kid out there.:D

[chippewastud79]

Not sure I would want it (I'm a little shaky on Bautista), but it would have fixed the LF situation and open a spot up for Alonso.

Bautista has a longer contract, for a cheaper price than Joey will demand. It would have opened up 1B for Alonso and given the Reds one credible outfielder. It would have traded the only .300+ hitter the Reds have for another but with no one supporting either, what could they have done? :hm

[chippewastud79]

Any thoughts on Alonso? Is he gonna be the next Votto, or is he gonna be another Bruce (who would be great if he could get consistent)? We keep hearing so much about this kid, but he hasn't shown a lot since being called up (even though he hasn't gotten a lot of time in). He definitely doesn't belong in LF. Looks a lot like Adam Dunn's kid out there.:D

This is one of the problems with the Reds, they want to develop all the talent they have rather than filling gaps where they have them. They would rather have 3 SS's and bring up a 1B to play LF, than trade one to upgrade something they need. :hm

You hear a ton about all the prospects and how great they are before they get to the show, and so far only Cozart has lived up to the hype in the last two years (and that was for such a short period of time). Janish was supposed to be the man, but has done nothing but struggle at the plate and is sometimes a liability in the field. Bruce looks good for a few months out of the year, but never consecutively, Stubbs still can't figure out how to be a leadoff hitter, Bailey spends weeks and weeks on the DL and is not great when healthy. :rolleyes:

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :tu :banger :) :noon :tu

[chippewastud79]

Reds going for the series win against the worst team in baseball tomorrow :tu :banger :noon :D

[Starscream]

Reds going for the series win against the worst team in baseball tomorrow :tu :banger :noon :D

Bailey did look good up against this Triple A team tonight. I guess he's had plenty of practice at the Triple A level.:r

[Starscream]

Team stats since the AS break:

.263/.331

.275 RISP

3.19 team ERA

3.44 starting pitching

2.83 relief pitching


Numbers look much better than our record.
:hm

[chippewastud79]

Reds lose 2 out of 3 to the worst team in baseball. :bh :td :hm

0'fer for the MVP candidate and he added 2 to his MLB leading K total. Heck he is batting .150 lower than Dontrelle Willis. :td

[chippewastud79]

Team stats since the AS break:

.263/.331

.275 RISP

3.19 team ERA

3.44 starting pitching

2.83 relief pitching


Numbers look much better than our record.
:hm

Their offense is in the bottom half of the league :hm

[Starscream]

The better of two triple a teams won this series.

[chippewastud79]

The better of two triple a teams won this series.

I thought the Reds Triple A team could beat most MLB teams this year :r;)

[Starscream]

I thought the Reds Triple A team could beat most MLB teams this year :r;)

Alonso, Cozart, Frazier, and Heisey are here. All we're missing is Meseraco. I didn't say they could beat most teams. I said they could be competitive. It's a big stretch at this point, but they can be semi-competitive at times.

[icehog3]

Dan must need some cheering up.

:wo :tu :wnr :tu :wo

[elderboy02]

Dan must need some cheering up.

:wo :tu :wnr

Thanks Admiral! :tu :banger

[Starscream]

Dan must need some cheering up.

:wo :tu :tu :wo
:r

I think all of us Reds fans do this year.

[waffle]

Welp, lost 7 of the last 11... And 4 of those games have been against teams with over 65 losses each... it may be well time to start looking towards what to do to get the team prepped for next year. I know I sound like a negative nancy, but I just want to be a realist.

[icehog3]

Ka-blammo!

[chippewastud79]

Drew Stubbs 0'fer for the 4th game in a row, 8 K's in the same span, extending his MLB lead :bh :td

[Starscream]

It's time to look toward September so we can see what we have for next year. That's if Dusty plays these young cats from the 40-man.

[icehog3]

I predict we finish a close second behind the Cubbies.
Thoughts?

Reds fan checking in! The Reds are going to be the NL champs this year :tu

Yup. Well, at least Andy didn't think the Reds would win the pennant. ;)

[chippewastud79]

Yup. Well, at least Andy didn't think the Reds would win the pennant. ;)

Dan was the only one with enough blind faith to predict winning the division. The weakest division in baseball and the Reds are in the middle of a stretch of getting swept by the two worst teams in it. :hm

[elderboy02]

Damn, we are out of it.

[chippewastud79]

Damn, we are out of it.

Whoa, Dan, say it ain't so. Already turning to the Bengals for comfort? :rolleyes:

[Starscream]

Yup. Well, at least Andy didn't think the Reds would win the pennant. ;)

Way to dig up a post from 2009, Admiral!:D

I had hopes, but gave up shortly before the All-Star Break.:(

[icehog3]

Way to dig up a post from 2009, Admiral!:D

I had hopes, but gave up shortly before the All-Star Break.:(

Didn't realize there wasn't a new thread for 2011, Andy. ;s

[chippewastud79]

Nice work by Stubbs taking out one of the only worthwhile players on this team. I hope for Phillips' sake that he isn't out long, his Gold Glove may be at stake if he misses weeks instead of days. :td

Didn't realize there wasn't a new thread for 2011, Andy. ;s

The Reds aren't good enough to warrant a new thread every season. :tu

[Starscream]

Didn't realize there wasn't a new thread for 2011, Andy. ;s

:)

It's the Reds. We don't deserve a new thread each and every year.:r

[chippewastud79]

The Reds Win! Stubbs with a good day at the plate but made up for it with a nice error in the outfield :tu :banger :D

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :) :) :) :tu :tu

[icehog3]

Only 9 1/2 out! :) :) :) :tu :tu

[Starscream]

Only 9 1/2 out! :) :) :) :tu

And back in third place.:r

[waffle]

Wait... baseball is still being played???? Oh noes!

[icehog3]

Wait... baseball is still being played???? Oh noes!

Not by the Cubs..... ;)

[Starscream]

Not by the Cubs..... ;)

Or anyone else in the NL Central (other than the Brewers).:D

[chippewastud79]

Or anyone else in the NL Central (other than the Brewers).:D

Being in the weakest division in baseball certainly doesn't help. The Brewers will have a decent shot at beating the Wild Card team with the home-field advantage. ;)

[chippewastud79]

Do the Reds just really hate when Willis pitches? He has had 6 quality starts and has zero wins. :td

Stubbs update 1-4 with 2K's, now over the 150 mark upping his MLB lead! :hm

[waffle]

Heck Stubbs is only 39 off the Top 10 in a Seaon... I really think he doesn't want A. Dunn to be the only one on the list...

Rank Player Team Strikeouts Year
1 Mark Reynolds Arizona Diamondbacks 223 2009
2 Mark Reynolds Arizona Diamondbacks 211 2010
3 Mark Reynolds Arizona Diamondbacks 204 2008
4 Ryan Howard Philadelphia Phillies 199 2007
5 Ryan Howard Philadelphia Phillies 199 2008
6 Adam Dunn Washington Nationals 199 2010
7 Jack Cust Oakland Athletics 197 2008
8 Adam Dunn Cincinnati Reds 195 2004
9 Adam Dunn Cincinnati Reds 194 2006
10 Bobby Bonds San Francisco Giants 189 1970

[waffle]

Heck, Stubby at his current rate of 151 SO/ 116 Games (played by the Reds) = 1.30SO/game, he's on pace to make it to tied for #2 all time single season (211). Way to go Stubbs, at least you'll do something spectacular this season!

[chippewastud79]

Heck, Stubby at his current rate of 151 SO/ 116 Games (played by the Reds) = 1.30SO/game, he's on pace to make it to tied for #2 all time single season (211). Way to go Stubbs, at least you'll do something spectacular this season!

Would that get him in the Hall of Fame? Or at least the Reds Hall of Fame? :confused:

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :tu :banger :) :tu :banger

[waffle]

Reds win! Reds win! :tu :banger :) :tu :banger

Wow no comment about yer boy Stubbs, did you just write an if/then program to check the Reds score and post that whenever they win..?

[elderboy02]

Wow no comment about yer boy Stubbs, did you just write an if/then program to check the Reds score and post that whenever they win..?

Yep. Hey are you ever going to smoke with us again?

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs is 0'fer and adds 2 K's, he wants that MLB record. And the Reds win without him again. :r

Whilst watching the game the other day, one of the Reds announcers made the assertion, "I always thought Stubbs was the fastest player in the NL, but maybe now I think Campana might be faster." Now that is comedy. He might not even be the fastest guy on the Reds, and he is certainly not even close to the fastest guy in the NL :td

Wow no comment about yer boy Stubbs, did you just write an if/then program to check the Reds score and post that whenever they win..?

96.7% of Dan's posts in this thread are "Red Win", unfortunately there are less and less of them lately. :sh

Nothing like taking one out of three from the Rockies and getting out played in all of them. Only 11 games back, time to make a run :tu

[waffle]

Yep. Hey are you ever going to smoke with us again?

Tonight... assuming its not 10000000 degrees again... oh yeah, we also got together 2 weeks ago at the Pub, guess you didn't feel like coming :td

[waffle]

Stubbs is 0'fer and adds 2 K's, he wants that MLB record. And the Reds win without him again. :r

Whilst watching the game the other day, one of the Reds announcers made the assertion, "I always thought Stubbs was the fastest player in the NL, but maybe now I think Campana might be faster." Now that is comedy. He might not even be the fastest guy on the Reds, and he is certainly not even close to the fastest guy in the NL :td



96.7% of Dan's posts in this thread are "Red Win", unfortunately there are less and less of them lately. :sh

Nothing like taking one out of three from the Rockies and getting out played in all of them. Only 11 games back, time to make a run :tu

I know Stubbs is fast, but getting a runner on is the most important thing, its way past time to look for someone who isnt leading the universe in strikeouts as your leadoff batter... at least A. Dunn had the decency to strike out a Gazillion times batting 4th ;).

[elderboy02]

Tonight... assuming its not 10000000 degrees again... oh yeah, we also got together 2 weeks ago at the Pub, guess you didn't feel like coming :td

That pub sucks. The guy bit**es about smoking in the bar, yet he allows everyone else to chain smoke cigarettes in there. Screw him.

[waffle]

That pub sucks. The guy bit**es about smoking in the bar, yet he allows everyone else to chain smoke cigarettes in there. Screw him.

I've been in there a half dozen times and never heard a SINGLE complaint about cigars. I think you're making stuff up now.

[elderboy02]

I've been in there a half dozen times and never heard a SINGLE complaint about cigars. I think you're making stuff up now.

Whatever. I was there with Patrick and Toney when it happened. Ask 'em :tu

[Starscream]

Reds win? WTF?

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :) :banger :noon

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs record watch: +3 today, on pace for 216 :tu

[waffle]

He really needs to up his pace if he's going to set the single season record... oh and for the record "he has power" should not be your leadoff hitter, he should be your 3,4,5 hitter... at least if he's 5/6 and he strikes out 200+ times you can claim "he hit for power" just ask Adam Dunn.

[Starscream]

Three in a row? A little too late now...

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :banger :banger :banger :banger

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

10 games back for the Reds. I hope they can at least make it interesting. Maybe finish better than the Birds.
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[Starscream]

10 games back for the Reds. I hope they can at least make it interesting. Maybe finish better than the Birds.
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Doubtful. They're gonna have a hard enough time staying above Pittsburgh.


On a brighter note, Thank God I'm not a Bengals fan.:D

[chippewastud79]

Doubtful. They're gonna have a hard enough time staying above Pittsburgh.


On a brighter note, Thank God I'm not a Bengals fan.:D

At this point, they might be happier to stay above the Cubs. Luckily they have the Cubs and Astros a few times down the stretch. .500 is a distinct possibility. :tu

[elderboy02]

Reds win again! Reds win again! :banger :tu :) :noon :tu

[icehog3]

One away from being only single digits out of the race!! :banger :tu :) :noon :tu

[Starscream]

4 in a row?

[waffle]

How about Stubbs batting at the number 5 spot recently... now, he can hit for power.... finally a good move by Dusty, get the strikeout king out of the leadoff spot and stick he somewhere you can hide him ;) Oh and for those keeping score... D. Stubs 2/4, 1 SO... bringing his league leading SO total to 157.

[Starscream]

Hope Willis is ok.

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs adds another one today, now just 10 away from last season's total. :tu

[icehog3]

Where's Dan? :banger :tu :) :noon :tu

[chippewastud79]

Where's Dan? :banger :tu :noon :tu

Reds lost, Dan won't be here until they win. ;s

[icehog3]

Reds lost, Dan won't be here until they win. ;s

:td :su :tf :td

[elderboy02]

...

:sl:banger:tu:su-(P

[icehog3]

:sl:banger:tu(P

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[Starscream]

Arroyo cleared waivers. Looks like we're on the hook for his contract.

[Starscream]

Looks like the Alonso experiment is back on in LF. I wish this organization would make up their mind. Play him in LF, send him down to play 3b, or just trade him outright. It's starting to get old.

[elderboy02]

I am glad they are playing him. Dude can hit.

[Starscream]

I am glad they are playing him. Dude can hit.
But he's worse than Dunn in LF.

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs back in the lead-off and back to batting .250. What is Dusty doing? The kid has his average go down batting lower in the order so he moves him back to the leadoff? :hm :c :confused: :td

1 K away from 160 and 13 up on the next closest. :tu

[Starscream]

Bruce is having a career year. If only he could learn to be consistent, he'd be up there with Votto. Monster May and a great August, yet the rest of the season is horrid.
At least he's better than Stubbs.:)

[chippewastud79]

Bruce is having a career year. If only he could learn to be consistent, he'd be up there with Votto. Monster May and a great August, yet the rest of the season is horrid.
At least he's better than Stubbs.:)

If his April, June and July weren't complete trash he could be having a much better season. He just passed the 12 homeruns he hit in May with 14 for the rest of the season. His consistency is crap, and he is still on pace for 150+ homeruns. I'll be interested to see where his stats go when Votto and Phillips leave in a few seasons. I am not sure he can handle being the focus of the team. :hm

[Starscream]

If his April, June and July weren't complete trash he could be having a much better season. He just passed the 12 homeruns he hit in May with 14 for the rest of the season. His consistency is crap, and he is still on pace for 150+ homeruns. I'll be interested to see where his stats go when Votto and Phillips leave in a few seasons. I am not sure he can handle being the focus of the team. :hm

Phillips better not be leaving. He's the face of the organization imho. I know Votto's gonna be gone soon, but if they let BP go, I'm gonna be seriously p!ssed. That would be like the Yankees telling Jeter to go to hell.

[elderboy02]

Phillips better not be leaving. He's the face of the organization imho. I know Votto's gonna be gone soon, but if they let BP go, I'm gonna be seriously p!ssed. That would be like the Yankees telling Jeter to go to hell.

Agreed.

[chippewastud79]

Phillips better not be leaving. He's the face of the organization imho. I know Votto's gonna be gone soon, but if they let BP go, I'm gonna be seriously p!ssed. That would be like the Yankees telling Jeter to go to hell.

Not even close to the Jeter analogy, he had more than double the years with the Yankees and has a handful of rings with them as well. He has had very admirable seasons here but he certainly doesn't have the persona that Jeter does in New York and the MLB ;s

He is the face of the franchise per-se, but does a player who is an All-Star and Gold Glover want to stay in Cincinnati for possibly less money than he could get elsewhere playing for a contender? :sh

[Starscream]

Not even close to the Jeter analogy, he had more than double the years with the Yankees and has a handful of rings with them as well. He has had very admirable seasons here but he certainly doesn't have the persona that Jeter does in New York and the MLB ;s

He is the face of the franchise per-se, but does a player who is an All-Star and Gold Glover want to stay in Cincinnati for possibly less money than he could get elsewhere playing for a contender? :sh

I'm not comparing BP to Jeter stat-wise nor does he bring anywhere near the media presence that Jeter does. No, BP will never be even close to Jeter, I agree. But he does the same thing when it comes to PR. BP is the one who sticks around and meets the fans. He's the guy who the front office calls on when they need someone to make an appearance for the team. He's the one who goes to all the fan events. He's the one who holds contests for the fans and interacts with them in ways the rest of the team doesn't do.

Brandon has a love for the town of Cincinnati and I do believe he would play for this team even though he gets a higher offer from somewhere else (as long as Cincy doesn't low-ball him). The only team I could see him wanting to go to over the Reds is Atlanta b/c that's where his family is.

[elderboy02]

Yeah, Brandon has said before that he wants to be a Red for life. I have confidence in Jocketty/Castellini that they won't low ball a superstar/gold glover. This isn't retard Mike Brown after all.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :noon

[WhoDeySchenk]

Cordero is a turd & almost blew another game for the redlegs

[Starscream]

He'll be off the books next year anyways. With many in Cincy clamoring for the young guys to take over the catcher spot, LF, SS, and 3B, I'm wondering why we're not hearing about seeing what someone else can do in the closer spot (please not Chapman).

[elderboy02]

Cordero is a turd & almost blew another game for the redlegs

Did he get the save? Oh yeah, he did. :noon:noon:noon:D:banger

He has only blown 6 this year.

[chippewastud79]

12.5 games back :banger :tu :D
3rd place, only 3 games below .500


Drew Stubbs adds one to his league leading total, no hits either. :tu

[Starscream]

He has only blown 6 this year.
:r:r:r

ONLY six...:r

[elderboy02]

:r:r:r

ONLY six...:r

Even the top closers have blown at least 4. I mean, Cordero doesn't make it easy to watch, but he does get saves.

[WhoDeySchenk]

I'm not one to BRAG about "saves"....so let me get this straight, a starting pitcher "aka Cueto" can pitch 8 innings, give up the one run on six hits with no walks and five strikeouts....Cordero, who's only job is to pitch for 3 outs, not 24 outs.....T H R E E ! Loads the bases with one out only to be "saved" by Phillips stopping that shot up the middle by Gomes, that was bobbled by Janish who then "saves" himself and CoCo again by being able to complete the double play. So who was it that made the "save" Dan? Out of everyone on both teams, CoCo is not my nomination for getting the save, but he was infact saved by the rest of the team!

This post was so awesome, everyone should Quote it! FTW!

[waffle]

I'm not one to BRAG about "saves"....so let me get this straight, a starting pitcher "aka Cueto" can pitch 8 innings, give up the one run on six hits with no walks and five strikeouts....Cordero, who's only job is to pitch for 3 outs, not 24 outs.....T H R E E ! Loads the bases with one out only to be "saved" by Phillips stopping that shot up the middle by Gomes, that was bobbled by Janish who then "saves" himself and CoCo again by being able to complete the double play. So who was it that made the "save" Dan? Out of everyone on both teams, CoCo is not my nomination for getting the save, but he was infact saved by the rest of the team!

This post was so awesome, everyone should Quote it! FTW!

FTW!



















Just for you ;)

[chippewastud79]

I'm not one to BRAG about "saves"....so let me get this straight, a starting pitcher "aka Cueto" can pitch 8 innings, give up the one run on six hits with no walks and five strikeouts....Cordero, who's only job is to pitch for 3 outs, not 24 outs.....T H R E E ! Loads the bases with one out only to be "saved" by Phillips stopping that shot up the middle by Gomes, that was bobbled by Janish who then "saves" himself and CoCo again by being able to complete the double play. So who was it that made the "save" Dan? Out of everyone on both teams, CoCo is not my nomination for getting the save, but he was infact saved by the rest of the team!



Cordero will not pitch a ninth inning without allowing at least a few base runners. Usually allowing a run and putting some runners on second or third. :rolleyes:

[Starscream]

I'm not one to BRAG about "saves"....so let me get this straight, a starting pitcher "aka Cueto" can pitch 8 innings, give up the one run on six hits with no walks and five strikeouts....Cordero, who's only job is to pitch for 3 outs, not 24 outs.....T H R E E ! Loads the bases with one out only to be "saved" by Phillips stopping that shot up the middle by Gomes, that was bobbled by Janish who then "saves" himself and CoCo again by being able to complete the double play. So who was it that made the "save" Dan? Out of everyone on both teams, CoCo is not my nomination for getting the save, but he was infact saved by the rest of the team!

This post was so awesome, everyone should Quote it! FTW!

That's the problem with pitching stats to begin with. Why are pitchers evaluated on wins and saves when in fact, they don't win the game by themselves, nor do they save the game by themselves either.

For me, a good pitcher is based mainly on ERA and WHIP. Those aren't the only factors, as we all know, but wins are overrated when it comes to pitching stats. Especially with small market teams.

If Cueto played for Phillie, NYY, Atlanta, or Boston, he'd have a helluva lot more wins than he does now based on his performance alone.


BTW, strikeouts are overrated too.

[Starscream]

Even the top closers have blown at least 4. I mean, Cordero doesn't make it easy to watch, but he does get saves.

This many sound hypocritical after my last post, but I agree with you here. He has gotten the job done, despite all the nail-biters he puts us through.

[Starscream]

One thing hasn't changed: Jonny Gomes is still helping Arroyo lose ballgames.:)

[chippewastud79]

One thing hasn't changed: Jonny Gomes is still helping Arroyo lose ballgames.:)

One thing hasn't changed, Stubbs still loves striking out. 0'fer again, 2 K's more toward the record books, 14 up on the league now :tu

[Starscream]

One thing hasn't changed, Stubbs still loves striking out. 0'fer again, 2 K's more toward the record books, 14 up on the league now :tu

If you're gonna lead the league, then you gotta do it right. He needs to work on striking out looking more. He had a good one tonight. :D

[chippewastud79]

If you're gonna lead the league, then you gotta do it right. He needs to work on striking out looking more. He had a good one tonight. :D

If pitchers threw him strikes he would have many more strikeouts. He loves watching pitches and sometimes he ends up getting a walk instead of a strikeout. :hm

[Starscream]

If pitchers threw him strikes he would have many more strikeouts. He loves watching pitches and sometimes he ends up getting a walk instead of a strikeout. :hm

:r

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :)

[chippewastud79]

13.5 Games back! :banger

Nothing like "stealing" a win on a blown call at second base. :tu

Drew Stubbs goes 0'fer and the Reds win and adds to his strikeout total :td

[chippewastud79]

Just saw that was the first series win against the Pirates this year. Man, this team is bad, good follow up to the Division Championship. :r

[Starscream]

Alonso at first tonight. He's looking good offensively so far.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :) :tu :tu

[chippewastud79]

13.5 Games Back :banger

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs better pick up his strikeout total if he wants to beat the MLB record. Heck he is in danger of not even making it to 200 at this point. :rolleyes:

[chippewastud79]

Reds Win! Reds Win! (Insert 5 Smilies)

Stubbs 0-4 with 2 K's, gotta get to that record Drew :tu

Has Cordero had a 1-2-3 9th inning this season? :hm He loves putting people on base and in scoring position. If he had more save opportunities, he would have surely blown more by now. :td

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger:banger:noon:D:tu

[waffle]

wheres the reds got outplayed, reds got outplayed???? :rolleyes::rolleyes::sh:td:mad:

[icehog3]

Right along with "Reds are 13 out! Reds are 13 out!" ;) :wo :r :bx :D

[chippewastud79]

2 out of 3 from the Marlins. Game one in front of 347 people :banger :rolleyes: :bh ;) :bx

[Starscream]

I thought the attendance was hilarious. Why does Florida even try?

[chippewastud79]

I thought the attendance was hilarious. Why does Florida even try?

To their credit, there is a hurricane coming and the game was originally supposed to be played today. But, I concur, there would have been at least 5,000 people at most other cities. :sh

[Starscream]

To their credit, there is a hurricane coming and the game was originally supposed to be played today. But, I concur, there would have been at least 5,000 people at most other cities. :sh

I know the Dolphins pretty muched pushed the Marlins out of the stadium, but it makes you wonder why they're building a new stadium (which looks awesome btw) rather than relocate. Charlotte or Nashville would sell more tickets than Miami.

[chippewastud79]

Drew Stubbs under 30 for 200 K's this year, so bad. :td


Oh, Reds Win! 13 games back! 5 smilies

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :)

[icehog3]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu

Soon they can request their permanent tee times for October! ;)

[Starscream]

Soon they can request their permanent tee times for October! ;)

I highly suggest that a few of the clowns on the team sign up for winter ball rather than tee time.:) Stubbs, Alonso, Heisey, Sappelt, Frazier all need as much practice as they can get.

[icehog3]

I highly suggest that a few of the clowns on the team sign up for winter ball rather than tee time.:) Stubbs, Alonso, Heisey, Sappelt, Frazier all need as much practice as they can get.

Hopefully they can get some of the Chicago Schlubs to sign up with them. :r

[Starscream]

Back at .500 for the first time since... it feels like forever.

No playoffs for us, but I'd be happy at this point if we beat out the Redturds.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :) :noon

[icehog3]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :) :noon

Egad.

[chippewastud79]

Egad.

Homerism knows no bounds. Who cares if they are out contention and beating one of the worst teams in baseball at home? Three game win streak! Back to .500. 13 games outl. They are winning. :rolleyes:

[icehog3]

I have to start making 5 smiley posts when the Cubs win once a week. :r

Thank Goodness for the Tigers.

[elderboy02]

Homerism knows no bounds. Who cares if they are out contention and beating one of the worst teams in baseball at home? Three game win streak! Back to .500. 13 games outl. They are winning. :rolleyes:

Time for the ignore list again. Sayonara

[waffle]

Time for the ignore list again. Sayonara

Time for being an adult!!! Woohoo... I'm taking my crappy ball team AND I'm going home!

[chippewastud79]

I have to start making 5 smiley posts when the Cubs win once a week. :r

Thank Goodness for the Tigers.

If Reds fans ever think they have it bad, call a Cubs fan. ;)

[icehog3]

If Reds fans ever think they have it bad, call a Cubs fan. ;)

You ain't just whistlin' "Dixie", Adam. :r

[waffle]

You ain't just whistlin' "Dixie", Adam. :r

Is that the song from Deliverance.... ;)

[Starscream]

Is that the song from Deliverance.... ;)

That's the song the General Lee plays when Bo blows the horn.:banger

[icehog3]

Is that the song from Deliverance.... ;)

Yes, I only hear it when I see dudes in chick sunglasses, Steve. :r

[waffle]

That's the song the General Lee plays when Bo blows the horn.:banger

I know, but watching the reds play, I feel like I should be molested by some slack jaw yokels.... oh and Votto Wins another one... gone after next season... : 5 random faces :

How bout Stubbs... 2ks.... 1 after going 3-0 in the count... what a stellar showing... 177Ks 29 games to go... it'll be close but I'm confident he'll make it to 200!

[Starscream]

Squeal like a pig, boy!:r


We all feel like we've been @$$ raped by this organization at times, but the fact is that we could have back to back winning seasons. That's something we haven't seen in a while. No, it's not another playoff appearance or a WS win, but it's progress. We can sit here and hate on Dan for being a homer, but I wish I had his optimism at times. I'm sure he knows as well as the rest of us that we never were gonna win the WS this year, but there were plenty of things to feel optimistic about before the All-Star break, and there are a few bright hopes to look forward to next year (I said a few things).

Optimism for next year:
One more season with Votto
Take the option for BP and make him the leadoff hitter
Bruce's numbers (although streaky) have been his best yet
Cozart at SS (hopefully he's the answer, although we haven't seen him for an extended period yet)
Cueto is an ACE
Leake has good command
Willis has made a helluva comeback
Meseraco as catcher next year looks good (provided Ramon doesn't accept arbitration)
CoCo gone, Renteria gone, Janish won't be a starter, Lewis gone (I think)
Bailey hasn't been too bad
Chapman in rotation?
Brewers won't have the same team next year

Things not to look forward to next year:
Arroyo's big contract
Stubbs' Ks (hopefully we won't still be trying the leadoff expirement with him
Bailey still not living up to his potential
Who's gonna be the closer?
Bullpen is shakey

[chippewastud79]

Stubbs is just under the pace to finish in the top 5, currently already 39th for the single season strikeout record. :td

[chippewastud79]

Squeal like a pig, boy!:r


We all feel like we've been @$$ raped by this organization at times, but the fact is that we could have back to back winning seasons. That's something we haven't seen in a while. No, it's not another playoff appearance or a WS win, but it's progress. We can sit here and hate on Dan for being a homer, but I wish I had his optimism at times. I'm sure he knows as well as the rest of us that we never were gonna win the WS this year, but there were plenty of things to feel optimistic about before the All-Star break, and there are a few bright hopes to look forward to next year (I said a few things).

Optimism for next year:
One more season with Votto
Take the option for BP and make him the leadoff hitter
Bruce's numbers (although streaky) have been his best yet
Cozart at SS (hopefully he's the answer, although we haven't seen him for an extended period yet)
Cueto is an ACE
Leake has good command
Willis has made a helluva comeback
Meseraco as catcher next year looks good (provided Ramon doesn't accept arbitration)
CoCo gone, Renteria gone, Janish won't be a starter, Lewis gone (I think)
Bailey hasn't been too bad
Chapman in rotation?
Brewers won't have the same team next year

Things not to look forward to next year:
Arroyo's big contract
Stubbs' Ks (hopefully we won't still be trying the leadoff expirement with him
Bailey still not living up to his potential
Who's gonna be the closer?
Bullpen is shakey

Chapman in the rotation sounds like a terrible idea. He has already shown that he can over pitch and doesn't do well after too many pitches. :2

They have to stop trying to force players into the hype they have given them. Stubbs was made out to be the protypical lead-lead off and is far from it. Bailey was supposed to be an ace and is far from it. Cordero was supposed to get 50+ saves a season for a division contender. Bruce is supposed to be an MVP candidate. Janish, Gomes, Chapman..... And on and on. Everyone has the hype and few live up to them. :td

I can't be a homer, I just watch sports. Blind faith does nothing for me, which is bad for me living in the area with so many people who swear alleigance to teams with no knowledge of the sport or even being able to discuss what is going on. Its like Bengals 'fans' who hate Carson Palmer for retiring but love Mike Brown. Some people will like Stubbs no matter how many times he strikes out. To me, striking out more than one time per game as a lead-off hitter just means you suck. :hm

[Starscream]

Chapman in the rotation sounds like a terrible idea. He has already shown that he can over pitch and doesn't do well after too many pitches. :2

They have to stop trying to force players into the hype they have given them. Stubbs was made out to be the protypical lead-lead off and is far from it. Bailey was supposed to be an ace and is far from it. Cordero was supposed to get 50+ saves a season for a division contender. Bruce is supposed to be an MVP candidate. Janish, Gomes, Chapman..... And on and on. Everyone has the hype and few live up to them. :td

I can't be a homer, I just watch sports. Blind faith does nothing for me, which is bad for me living in the area with so many people who swear alleigance to teams with no knowledge of the sport or even being able to discuss what is going on. Its like Bengals 'fans' who hate Carson Palmer for retiring but love Mike Brown. Some people will like Stubbs no matter how many times he strikes out. To me, striking out more than one time per game as a lead-off hitter just means you suck. :hm

Being someone not from the area, I don't hear the hype as much as y'all do. I try not to believe it until it's proven anyways (like Cam Newton down here in NC).


But like it or not, the optimistic things I posted are actually not over-hyped (with the exception of Cozart). Is that gonna get us to the playoffs or to the WS? Hell no. Is it enough for us to break .500 next year? I think so.


Bruce is a future MVP - Nope. But his numbers have improved like I said

Cordero to get 50+ saves - Don't care. He's off the books next year. Thank God.

Stubbs the future leadoff - Never said it. Don't want it. He is a more than acceptable MLB hitter at the 6-8 spot though. If they would let him bunt, then I could see him as a two hole hitter, but until then, he's down to the bottom of the order

Janish - I never expected much of Janish, but I did think that he would hit at least in the .250-260 range. I'll admit I was wrong on this one.

Gomes - Didn't want him back. I knew what he was gonna do.

Rolen- You didn't bring him up, but I will...He made the All-Star team. Big whoop. Wow. I'm not impressed. I don't buy into his hype. He's played with a fugged up shoulder all year and I've been calling for him to retire since the end of last year. Yes he helped us make the playoffs last year, but if you look at his numbers, they sucked after the 2010 All-Star break. He needs to retire, and if we bring him back next year, then it's gonna hurt us in the long run.

Hernandez- You didn't bring him up either, but while I'm on the subject of calling people out...
Hernandez is a good player and a good guy, but is way overrated b/c of the walkoff HR in game 1 this year. Hannigan is the better defensive catcher by a long shot. Look at his ERA per pitcher compared to Ramon. Ramon does not need to be offered arbitration next year. That would be a joke. Hanigan can provide both backup and mentorship to Meseraco next year and they will be fine. Just like this year: Meseraco with the bat, Hanigan with the defense/better game calling skills.



I could go on if anyone likes, but I think that was enough for now. I'm optimistic about next year for sure, but I'm not a homer. I realize our downfalls, but our strengths as of this point outweigh our weaknesses. We won't know until Jocketty makes some moves or not during the offseason, but I've got hope for another wininng season next year, with or without Dusty's help.


EDIT: And if we're paying Chapman $30 million to be anything but a starter, then it's time to bail on him. Sign the kid up for winter ball, build up his endurance, and put him in the rotation. This reliever crap is a waste of both money and talent.

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :)

[chippewastud79]

To me the window for this team is next year and next year only, unless something changes. Votto is gone, Phillips might be, Rollen isn't getting any younger, Bruce is at a crossroads in his young career (he will either digress or become a consistent all-the-time player), Janish has to either decide he wants to be a back up or trade his ass, Cozart has to develop into the SS they so desperately need, they have to convince BP to stay in the leadoff and need some bullpen help which is soon to be sans closer (which could be a good thing). Jocketty has to make a move to improve this team in the off-season, a true leadoff would go a long way, closer is a must, still no answer in LF and getting some consistent hitters to surround Votto would make them a much better team. :2

[Starscream]

To me the window for this team is next year and next year only, unless something changes. Votto is gone, Phillips might be, Rollen isn't getting any younger, Bruce is at a crossroads in his young career (he will either digress or become a consistent all-the-time player), Janish has to either decide he wants to be a back up or trade his ass, Cozart has to develop into the SS they so desperately need, they have to convince BP to stay in the leadoff and need some bullpen help which is soon to be sans closer (which could be a good thing). Jocketty has to make a move to improve this team in the off-season, a true leadoff would go a long way, closer is a must, still no answer in LF and getting some consistent hitters to surround Votto would make them a much better team. :2

I wasn't knocking you, Adam, with my last post. I think we agree on things more times than not. I just think you take some of my positive posts the wrong way some times.;)


To be honest, I'm a bit of a realist, so when I see us being an above .500 team, then I'm happy. Other fans aren't happy unless their team wins the championship or at least makes the playoffs. When we don't make the playoffs, it hurts a bit, but if we play above .500, then I'm good at this point.

2012 above .500 and if we play our contracts right (maybe Votto with a one year deal and re-sign BP) then it's possible we make a championship run in 2013, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[icehog3]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :)

Greatest comeback since the '69 Mets?

[waffle]

Being someone not from the area, I don't hear the hype as much as y'all do. I try not to believe it until it's proven anyways (like Cam Newton down here in NC).


But like it or not, the optimistic things I posted are actually not over-hyped (with the exception of Cozart). Is that gonna get us to the playoffs or to the WS? Hell no. Is it enough for us to break .500 next year? I think so.


Bruce is a future MVP - Nope. But his numbers have improved like I said

Cordero to get 50+ saves - Don't care. He's off the books next year. Thank God.

Stubbs the future leadoff - Never said it. Don't want it. He is a more than acceptable MLB hitter at the 6-8 spot though. If they would let him bunt, then I could see him as a two hole hitter, but until then, he's down to the bottom of the order

Janish - I never expected much of Janish, but I did think that he would hit at least in the .250-260 range. I'll admit I was wrong on this one.

Gomes - Didn't want him back. I knew what he was gonna do.

Rolen- You didn't bring him up, but I will...He made the All-Star team. Big whoop. Wow. I'm not impressed. I don't buy into his hype. He's played with a fugged up shoulder all year and I've been calling for him to retire since the end of last year. Yes he helped us make the playoffs last year, but if you look at his numbers, they sucked after the 2010 All-Star break. He needs to retire, and if we bring him back next year, then it's gonna hurt us in the long run.

Hernandez- You didn't bring him up either, but while I'm on the subject of calling people out...
Hernandez is a good player and a good guy, but is way overrated b/c of the walkoff HR in game 1 this year. Hannigan is the better defensive catcher by a long shot. Look at his ERA per pitcher compared to Ramon. Ramon does not need to be offered arbitration next year. That would be a joke. Hanigan can provide both backup and mentorship to Meseraco next year and they will be fine. Just like this year: Meseraco with the bat, Hanigan with the defense/better game calling skills.



I could go on if anyone likes, but I think that was enough for now. I'm optimistic about next year for sure, but I'm not a homer. I realize our downfalls, but our strengths as of this point outweigh our weaknesses. We won't know until Jocketty makes some moves or not during the offseason, but I've got hope for another wininng season next year, with or without Dusty's help.


EDIT: And if we're paying Chapman $30 million to be anything but a starter, then it's time to bail on him. Sign the kid up for winter ball, build up his endurance, and put him in the rotation. This reliever crap is a waste of both money and talent.

I don't think he was calling you a "homer", I think he was talking about all the smoke the announcers here blow up these guys asses when you listen to local broadcasts, they make it sound like the second coming of the Big Red Machine... its frustrating that the local guys can't see the forest from the trees... does this team have some serious potential? Absolutely, but its not the same as having the performance.

[chippewastud79]

I wasn't knocking you, Adam, with my last post. I think we agree on things more times than not. I just think you take some of my positive posts the wrong way some times.;)


To be honest, I'm a bit of a realist, so when I see us being an above .500 team, then I'm happy. Other fans aren't happy unless their team wins the championship or at least makes the playoffs. When we don't make the playoffs, it hurts a bit, but if we play above .500, then I'm good at this point.

2012 above .500 and if we play our contracts right (maybe Votto with a one year deal and re-sign BP) then it's possible we make a championship run in 2013, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

We concur on the sports discussion most of the time. Seems to be you and I are the only ones who discuss the actual issues/team/prospects/future. I am glad you are a realist, it makes discussing sports much easier. :tu

The reality is, this is the same team as last year, in which the division was absolutely garbage and they found a way to sneak out wins against bad teams. This year they played a tougher schedule (albeit not much) and will likely end up where they should have last season. Overachieving got them to the playoffs and the Phillies exposed them to be the team they should have been all year. ;s

.500 is a lofty goal now considering those in the area (and even some nationally) had them as the sexy favorite to win the division again, despite not making an upgrade in the off season like the Brewer did and still didn't have a better team than the Cardinals. The Cards lost their ace before the season and as of yet, they still can't pass them. :rolleyes:

Until they can put a team on the field that is superior to the Cards and Brewers, the luck factor can only win them so many games. Heck there have been 10+ games they were lucky to win this season that they should have lost. :sh

[chippewastud79]

Greatest comeback since the '69 Mets?

Best team since the '27 Yankees? :sh

[waffle]

We concur on the sports discussion most of the time. Seems to be you and I are the only ones who discuss the actual issues/team/prospects/future. I am glad you are a realist, it makes discussing sports much easier. :tu

The reality is, this is the same team as last year, in which the division was absolutely garbage and they found a way to sneak out wins against bad teams. This year they played a tougher schedule (albeit not much) and will likely end up where they should have last season. Overachieving got them to the playoffs and the Phillies exposed them to be the team they should have been all year. ;s

.500 is a lofty goal now considering those in the area (and even some nationally) had them as the sexy favorite to win the division again, despite not making an upgrade in the off season like the Brewer did and still didn't have a better team than the Cardinals. The Cards lost their ace before the season and as of yet, they still can't pass them. :rolleyes:

Until they can put a team on the field that is superior to the Cards and Brewers, the luck factor can only win them so many games. Heck there have been 10+ games they were lucky to win this season that they should have lost. :sh


I think its frustrating that the majority of the fans in Cincinnati walk around with Rose (only pun slightly intended) colored glasses on. Is the team exactly where they should expect to be? YES! They weren't the team they were hyped up to be all pre-season, they were the team they were in the pre-season, they had some really strong spots (Votto, BP, etc) but they have these "up and comers" that don't pan out that should be the "second coming" according to listen to the propoganda spewed by the commentators and the sports talk shows in the area... when someone calls them out, the whole city gets defensive... i.e. Cowherd last year... saying that the Reds had no business in the playoffs, the city went crazy... and then they get thumped because they were in no way the better team, they just happened to get lucky and were in a TERRIBLE division (hey icehogs' Cubs, whats up?).

I just wish the city would realize we have one team performing at .500 level and another that probably won't win a game this season and stop thinking we have such strong teams.

[Starscream]

We concur on the sports discussion most of the time. Seems to be you and I are the only ones who discuss the actual issues/team/prospects/future. I am glad you are a realist, it makes discussing sports much easier. :tu

The reality is, this is the same team as last year, in which the division was absolutely garbage and they found a way to sneak out wins against bad teams. This year they played a tougher schedule (albeit not much) and will likely end up where they should have last season. Overachieving got them to the playoffs and the Phillies exposed them to be the team they should have been all year. ;s

.500 is a lofty goal now considering those in the area (and even some nationally) had them as the sexy favorite to win the division again, despite not making an upgrade in the off season like the Brewer did and still didn't have a better team than the Cardinals. The Cards lost their ace before the season and as of yet, they still can't pass them. :rolleyes:

Until they can put a team on the field that is superior to the Cards and Brewers, the luck factor can only win them so many games. Heck there have been 10+ games they were lucky to win this season that they should have lost. :sh

I'll agree in part. We were pretty much the exact same team for the first half of this year. Since the AS break, we've been a relatively young team. The first half can be blamed on Jocketty for not making moves vs. Cards and Brewers making moves. The moves worked out for the Brew Crew, as they've turned into the Phillies of the Central, but the moves haven't worked out for STL at all, except for Berkman. If Milwaukee kept their same team as last year, then we would have made another run at it, but unfortunately, they improved, where Walt did nothing but bring in some losers/has beens with Renteria and Lewis. I can't knock him for the extensions, bc they've all worked out somewhat (even Arroyo b/c he's provided rest for the bullpen).

But the second half has been Heisey, Frazier, Sappelt, and Alonso. These guys haven't been much, but we've won games with them and have worked back to above .500. Really, other than Cozart and Alonso, the prospects haven't shown much (with Alonso still to be determined), but we've made do with them and it has been a completely different dynamic the second half. We can actually win two games in a row at this point.:r

[icehog3]

Cubs are pitiful, Steve. With the exception of Starling Castro and Darwin Barney, they have little to be excited about at this point. Over the hill, over-paid "sluggers", mentally unstable pitchers and a minor league manager. If I wasn't a Tigers fan I would be watching bowling right now.

[Starscream]

I think its frustrating that the majority of the fans in Cincinnati walk around with Rose (only pun slightly intended) colored glasses on. Is the team exactly where they should expect to be? YES! They weren't the team they were hyped up to be all pre-season, they were the team they were in the pre-season, they had some really strong spots (Votto, BP, etc) but they have these "up and comers" that don't pan out that should be the "second coming" according to listen to the propoganda spewed by the commentators and the sports talk shows in the area... when someone calls them out, the whole city gets defensive... i.e. Cowherd last year... saying that the Reds had no business in the playoffs, the city went crazy... and then they get thumped because they were in no way the better team, they just happened to get lucky and were in a TERRIBLE division (hey icehogs' Cubs, whats up?).

I just wish the city would realize we have one team performing at .500 level and another that probably won't win a game this season and stop thinking we have such strong teams.
The hatred is just for outsiders, b/c if you listen to the radio, Marty has talked pure trash about this team for a while now. That's why I prefer to listen to the radio over the tv broadcast. Marty calls it like it is vs. douchebags like Chris Welsch who seems to know every player on a first name basis.


At times when I'm listening to Marty, I think I'm watching/listening to Bob Uecker in Major League.:r

[Starscream]

Cubs are pitiful, Steve. With the exception of Starling Castro and Darwin Barney, they have little to be excited about at this point. Over the hill, over-paid "sluggers", mentally unstable pitchers and a minor league manager. If I wasn't a Tigers fan I would be watching bowling right now.
Byrd isn't that bad is he? And Baker (I think that's the utility guy's name doesn't seem that bad). I wouldn't mind having Aramis Ramirez at third base for the Reds next year.;)

[waffle]

I'll agree in part. We were pretty much the exact same team for the first half of this year. Since the AS break, we've been a relatively young team. The first half can be blamed on Jocketty for not making moves vs. Cards and Brewers making moves. The moves worked out for the Brew Crew, as they've turned into the Phillies of the Central, but the moves haven't worked out for STL at all, except for Berkman. If Milwaukee kept their same team as last year, then we would have made another run at it, but unfortunately, they improved, where Walt did nothing but bring in some losers/has beens with Renteria and Lewis. I can't knock him for the extensions, bc they've all worked out somewhat (even Arroyo b/c he's provided rest for the bullpen).

But the second half has been Heisey, Frazier, Sappelt, and Alonso. These guys haven't been much, but we've won games with them and have worked back to above .500. Really, other than Cozart and Alonso, the prospects haven't shown much (with Alonso still to be determined), but we've made do with them and it has been a completely different dynamic the second half. We can actually win two games in a row at this point.:r

Yup yup.. which is somewhat shocking considering they just about got swept by both the Stros and the Cubbies...

[icehog3]

Byrd isn't that bad is he? And Baker (I think that's the utility guy's name doesn't seem that bad). I wouldn't mind having Aramis Ramirez at third base for the Reds next year.;)

Yeah, I am pretty down on the team, but Byrd is a good ballplayer....just hasn't been the same since he got his face smashed in with a pitch though, hopefully he comes back stronger next year if he is back. Ramirez looked like he was on the decline, but he continues to suprise once the weather warms up. I'm not sold on Baker yet, though.

Too bad the Tigers are in such a crappy division too...or maybe a good thing. I think they will have trouble in the playoffs...unless Verlander can pitch 11 games in a row. :r

[Starscream]

Yup yup.. which is somewhat shocking considering they just about got swept by both the Stros and the Cubbies...

When we got beat by the ASStros, I gave up all hope, but a little bit of it has come back recently.

[Starscream]

Yeah, I am pretty down on the team, but Byrd is a good ballplayer....just hasn't been the same since he got his face smashed in with a pitch though, hopefully he comes back stronger next year if he is back. Ramirez looked like he was on the decline, but he continues to suprise once the weather warms up. I'm not sold on Baker yet, though.

Too bad the Tigers are in such a crappy division too...or maybe a good thing. I think they will have trouble in the playoffs...unless Verlander can pitch 11 games in a row. :r

I'd like to see Baker get to start everyday to see what he could do.
Ramirez just ended a 16 game hitting streak. He's a power guy and has a good average. I'd take him anyday.
Byrd will make a comeback. Kinda like Bagwell getting hit on the hand twice. Took a bit, but he came back. Same for NASCAR racers and the "big one". They get in the big wreck and they're shakey for a while before they get their confidence back. It'll happen.

[waffle]

The hatred is just for outsiders, b/c if you listen to the radio, Marty has talked pure trash about this team for a while now. That's why I prefer to listen to the radio over the tv broadcast. Marty calls it like it is vs. douchebags like Chris Welsch who seems to know every player on a first name basis.


At times when I'm listening to Marty, I think I'm watching/listening to Bob Uecker in Major League.:r

Lol I WISH Marty would get hammered like in Major League!!! And you're exactly right, I spend too much time watching it rather than listening... I did appreciate that the Cowboy flat out called out the team a few weeks ago.

Cubs are pitiful, Steve. With the exception of Starling Castro and Darwin Barney, they have little to be excited about at this point. Over the hill, over-paid "sluggers", mentally unstable pitchers and a minor league manager. If I wasn't a Tigers fan I would be watching bowling right now.

You should check out bocce... im pretty sure its on the OCHO. ;)

[Starscream]

Lol I WISH Marty would get hammered like in Major League!!! And you're exactly right, I spend too much time watching it rather than listening... I did appreciate that the Cowboy flat out called out the team a few weeks ago.



You should check out bocce... im pretty sure its on the OCHO. ;)

I missed it. What did Brantley say?

I will admit that I'm a Brantley homer. This guy is awesome and should be a pro wrestling commentator in the offseason.

[icehog3]

I'd like to see Baker get to start everyday to see what he could do.
Ramirez just ended a 16 game hitting streak. He's a power guy and has a good average. I'd take him anyday.
Byrd will make a comeback. Kinda like Bagwell getting hit on the hand twice. Took a bit, but he came back. Same for NASCAR racers and the "big one". They get in the big wreck and they're shakey for a while before they get their confidence back. It'll happen.

Hope. :)

Sounds like Aramis wants to stay in Chicago (I dunno why, LOL). Now they need to fix their middle relief.

[Starscream]

This is the best Reds debate/discussion we've had on here in two years. I wish this would happen more often in here.

[Starscream]

Hope. :)

Sounds like Aramis wants to stay in Chicago (I dunno why, LOL). Now they need to fix their middle relief.

Even if he didn't want to stay, they wouldn't move him to another team in the NL Central. It's just wishful thinking on my part.:) Maybe next year's GM for the Cubs will do them some good.

[icehog3]

Even if he didn't want to stay, they wouldn't move him to another team in the NL Central. It's just wishful thinking on my part.:) Maybe next year's GM for the Cubs will do them some good.

Can't do much worse then the last few years, Andy. ;)

[chippewastud79]

This is the best Reds debate/discussion we've had on here in two years. I wish this would happen more often in here.

There is always discussion between the two of us Andy. The problem is most others who post in this thread post simply when the Reds win. Nice to see Steve and Tom engaging in a little baseball talk though. :tu

[chippewastud79]

Can't do much worse then the last few years, Andy. ;)

I would definitely like to see the Cubs return to relevance. Having some more parity in the division would be nice too. Having 3 of the worst 5 teams in the NL and the worst team in the MLB doesn't make it very exciting. With the exception of the Brewers right now, there isn't much worth watching in the NL Central. :rolleyes:

[waffle]

I missed it. What did Brantley say?

I will admit that I'm a Brantley homer. This guy is awesome and should be a pro wrestling commentator in the offseason.

Something along the lines of well, this is what its like to watch a professional team playing baseball in Cincinnati (talking about whomever they were playing), the problem is if they call the team out too bad, they get :sl because at the end of the day, they still are employed by the Reds. Its fun to have a conversation about something you're passionate about... it also helps to be able to see the whole picture when you look at teams dynamic... poor Tom has been dealing with this since Sammy took the team to the playoffs!

[Starscream]

There is always discussion between the two of us Andy. The problem is most others who post in this thread post simply when the Reds win. Nice to see Steve and Tom engaging in a little baseball talk though. :tu
It's also nice to see Dan's optimism in here too. Don't straight up disregard it. We suck, but feelgoodism is nice too from time to time. Hugh pops in from time to time with some happiness (and sometimes not) too. The two of us are pretty hard on the team, so I always welcome some "homerism" from time to time.:)
I would definitely like to see the Cubs return to relevance. Having some more parity in the division would be nice too. Having 3 of the worst 5 teams in the NL and the worst team in the MLB doesn't make it very exciting. With the exception of the Brewers right now, there isn't much worth watching in the NL Central. :rolleyes:
That's why we need to get rid of a team. We're the only six team division in baseball. Why don't the Asstros move to the West to even things out. Give every division five teams? Too many teams make us look bad b/c when you go up against the ASStros three to four times a year, it inflates your record.
Something along the lines of well, this is what its like to watch a professional team playing baseball in Cincinnati (talking about whomever they were playing), the problem is if they call the team out too bad, they get :sl because at the end of the day, they still are employed by the Reds. Its fun to have a conversation about something you're passionate about... it also helps to be able to see the whole picture when you look at teams dynamic... poor Tom has been dealing with this since Sammy took the team to the playoffs!
When Brantley first started calling games he was boring and monotonous, but he's gotten MUCH better and has provided a wealth of knowledge, especially when it comes to pitching. Good to see he's learned a thing or two from Marty on how to be honest about the home team.

[waffle]

It's also nice to see Dan's optimism in here too. Don't straight up disregard it. We suck, but feelgoodism is nice too from time to time. Hugh pops in from time to time with some happiness (and sometimes not) too. The two of us are pretty hard on the team, so I always welcome some "homerism" from time to time.:)

That's why we need to get rid of a team. We're the only six team division in baseball. Why don't the Asstros move to the West to even things out. Give every division five teams? Too many teams make us look bad b/c when you go up against the ASStros three to four times a year, it inflates your record.

When Brantley first started calling games he was boring and monotonous, but he's gotten MUCH better and has provided a wealth of knowledge, especially when it comes to pitching. Good to see he's learned a thing or two from Marty on how to be honest about the home team.


I absolutely agree with some homerism makes it feel good, but when thats all that comes down, it grinds the conversation to a halt...

I LOVE the Marty/Cowboy combo, its refreshing to hear guys that are willing to take shots at the team when they underperform.

I agree it doesnt make sense for the division to have 6 teams, but "inflating" the record with the Stros... didn't the Reds just get swept by them???

[chippewastud79]

It's also nice to see Dan's optimism in here too. Don't straight up disregard it. We suck, but feelgoodism is nice too from time to time. Hugh pops in from time to time with some happiness (and sometimes not) too. The two of us are pretty hard on the team, so I always welcome some "homerism" from time to time.:)

That's why we need to get rid of a team. We're the only six team division in baseball. Why don't the Asstros move to the West to even things out. Give every division five teams? Too many teams make us look bad b/c when you go up against the ASStros three to four times a year, it inflates your record.



I thought you said sports discussion. ;) :r

The division is ridiculous, they should shuffle the NL and give the Central some better teams. :D Problem being that the Reds will fall even further. I don't know who you cut out to put into the AL. Being in the weakest division certainly improves the Reds chances every season, but last year was the first time they have taken advantage of it in the last 20 years. :rolleyes:

[Starscream]

I thought you said sports discussion. ;) :r

The division is ridiculous, they should shuffle the NL and give the Central some better teams. :D Problem being that the Reds will fall even further. I don't know who you cut out to put into the AL. Being in the weakest division certainly improves the Reds chances every season, but last year was the first time they have taken advantage of it in the last 20 years. :rolleyes:

Optimism is part of the discussion too, even if it isn't in depth.;)


Houston would be the team to go. They are the furthest west team. They could go to the NL West and move Arizona to the AL West. That way the divisions would be evened out.

True, it would hurt us in the long run, but then it would be a bit more fair all around. If Milwaukee didn't switch leagues on us, then everything would be ok, but it is what it is.

[waffle]

I think that it might take strengthening the division to make real progress with the reds... if they think they can float in the division, they don't have to work harder because they think they can get into the playoffs with a mediocre team...

However, if they turned into the O's, who routinely get laughed out of their division, I think the Reds would bust their ass to get back into the division... of course I could be wrong.... 13 behind...

[icehog3]

I believe in being passionate about your teams....for me, that means the Blackhawks (NHL) over most, but I also have love for my MLB, NFL and college FB teams. But being a passionate fan doesn't mean being blind....if you can't be objective about your team, your opinions will likely be irrelevant in a frank discussion about same. Thanks for indulging me here even though the Reds aren't my team. :tu

[elderboy02]

I too love Jeff Brantley. He is absolutely hillarious with his stories, but is also very smart about baseball. Andy, I agree that he has tremendous baseball knowledge. I think he would be a great pitching coach.

[waffle]

I believe in being passionate about your teams....for me, that means the Blackhawks (NHL) over most, but I also have love for my MLB, NFL and college FB teams. But being a passionate fan doesn't mean being blind....if you can't be objective about your team, your opinions will likely be irrelevant in a frank discussion about same. Thanks for indulging me here even though the Reds aren't my team. :tu

Its fun having you in here, as we often stall on conversations in this one... Seriously, its been fun reading the back and forth of opinions on the state of the Reds and the NL Central in general, and I'm sure glad you stuck around!

[waffle]

I too love Jeff Brantley. He is absolutely hillarious with his stories, but is also very smart about baseball. Andy, I agree that he has tremendous baseball knowledge. I think he would be a great pitching coach.

Jeff Brantley does have a vast baseball knowledge, but with zero coaching skills built (i.e. he's never coached, and doesn't seem to have the drive to) he would be a HORRENDOUS coach. "Yer not doing it right, watch its like this"... rather than this is what you're doing wrong and lets try this to correct it. You have to know how to correct issues before you can be a good coach and if Brantley were a coach, he'd have to start in a lower area than the Bigs. The only reason McGwire does well as a coach is because towards the end of his career, he stood at the cages as the young guys took bp and worked with them... he took steps to be a batting coach while he was still a player.

[chippewastud79]

I believe in being passionate about your teams....for me, that means the Blackhawks (NHL) over most, but I also have love for my MLB, NFL and college FB teams. But being a passionate fan doesn't mean being blind....if you can't be objective about your team, your opinions will likely be irrelevant in a frank discussion about same. Thanks for indulging me here even though the Reds aren't my team. :tu

This.

[Starscream]

Jeff Brantley does have a vast baseball knowledge, but with zero coaching skills built (i.e. he's never coached, and doesn't seem to have the drive to) he would be a HORRENDOUS coach. "Yer not doing it right, watch its like this"... rather than this is what you're doing wrong and lets try this to correct it. You have to know how to correct issues before you can be a good coach and if Brantley were a coach, he'd have to start in a lower area than the Bigs. The only reason McGwire does well as a coach is because towards the end of his career, he stood at the cages as the young guys took bp and worked with them... he took steps to be a batting coach while he was still a player.

That's the way he says it in the booth. I'm sure he knows that coaching has to have a different approach.
But like you said, he has no interest in coaching. Still, I'd love it though.

[waffle]

That's the way he says it in the booth. I'm sure he knows that coaching has to have a different approach.
But like you said, he has no interest in coaching. Still, I'd love it though.

True, but honestly, I believe that's his normal personality, and its AWESOME on the radio, it would suck as a coach ;) I think that's why he's where he's at and I love him paired up with Marty.

[chippewastud79]

That's the way he says it in the booth. I'm sure he knows that coaching has to have a different approach.
But like you said, he has no interest in coaching. Still, I'd love it though.

Good announcers don't always translate into sports minds or coaches or vice-versa. See: Matt Millen, announcer hired as a GM. Barry Melrose's last stint in the NHL, coach turned announcer, turned coach. Quinn Buckner a terrible failure in the NBA after being hired out of the booth. :2

[Starscream]

If he were the pitching coach, all our pitchers would have pot-bellies due to all the all you can eat rib fests that he would hold. Ribs and ice cream at Cowboy's house after every home game!

[Starscream]

Good announcers don't always translate into sports minds or coaches or vice-versa. See: Matt Millen, announcer hired as a GM. Barry Melrose's last stint in the NHL, coach turned announcer, turned coach. Quinn Buckner a terrible failure in the NBA after being hired out of the booth. :2

Could you get the word out to all the clowns in Cincy who want to see Joe Morgan become the next manager?:r

[waffle]

Could you get the word out to all the clowns in Cincy who want to see Joe Morgan become the next manager?:r

You ever heard of FireJoeMorgan.com (http://firejoemorgan.com)? or FJM... they used to mercilessly destroy his articles and stories... they were amazing!

And no, I DON'T want Joe Morgan as my next manager... how about we get someone that has proven they actually know what the F*$# they're doing rather than some dude you want to have nostalgic buttsex with....

[Starscream]

You ever heard of FireJoeMorgan.com (http://firejoemorgan.com)? or FJM... they used to mercilessly destroy his articles and stories... they were amazing!

And no, I DON'T want Joe Morgan as my next manager... how about we get someone that has proven they actually know what the F*$# they're doing rather than some dude you want to have nostalgic buttsex with....

:r

I've heard of the site, but never checked it out. I thought it was just to get him and Jon Miller off the air from Sunday Night Baseball.

[chippewastud79]

Thankfully the Phillies were in town so they didn't get blacked out. I still can't believe that the score keeper in Cincinnati is so bad. Ruled Phillips hit a 'Triple'. I have never seen more balls that are off of outfielder gloves been ruled hits than in Cincinnati. :td

Could you get the word out to all the clowns in Cincy who want to see Joe Morgan become the next manager?:r

Joe Morgan is a Red, Reds or Die! :r

[Starscream]

Phillies caught stealing signs. Bastrads! Good job by Hanigan to catch it, but he should've told Bailey to put the ball in someone's ear.

[chippewastud79]

Phillies caught stealing signs. Bastrads! Good job by Hanigan to catch it, but he should've told Bailey to put the ball in someone's ear.

I would hardly call that stealing signals. He took a step inside and coincidentally (maybe not) that is where Hannigan set up. Hannigan set up inside the next pitch and he didn't take the step. :confused:

It might be a little bush league, but it happens at every level of baseball. Hell, little leaguers point to where the catcher sets up. In the end knowing where the pitcher is set up helps you about as much as a corked bat, you still have to hit the ball. :2

[elderboy02]

Joe Morgan will never manage the Reds. Why would he trade in what he has now to live in hotels and be on the road all the time. I think he is staying put :tu

[waffle]

I would hardly call that stealing signals. He took a step inside and coincidentally (maybe not) that is where Hannigan set up. Hannigan set up inside the next pitch and he didn't take the step. :confused:

It might be a little bush league, but it happens at every level of baseball. Hell, little leaguers point to where the catcher sets up. In the end knowing where the pitcher is set up helps you about as much as a corked bat, you still have to hit the ball. :2

I'm not sure they were stealing signs either, but whether or not it was coincidental.... all i know is...


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[chippewastud79]

Joe Morgan will never manage the Reds. Why would he trade in what he has now to live in hotels and be on the road all the time. I think he is staying put :tu

A one hour sports radio show on Sports USA Radio Network? Does anyone even know who carries the show? Yeah, I wouldn't trade that in either. Frankly, he is a bad sports announcer/analyst/broadcater/journalist, any job he can hold is worth hanging on to I suppose. :confused:

[waffle]

A one hour sports radio show on Sports USA Radio Network? Does anyone even know who carries the show? Yeah, I wouldn't trade that in either. Frankly, he is a bad sports announcer/analyst/broadcater/journalist, any job he can hold is worth hanging on to I suppose. :confused:

Wait a minute... he also now owns a car dealership in Lebanon, OH on SR 63... because when I go car shopping, I drive an hour to check one out :tu

[icehog3]

A one hour sports radio show on Sports USA Radio Network? Does anyone even know who carries the show? Yeah, I wouldn't trade that in either. Frankly, he is a bad sports announcer/analyst/broadcater/journalist, any job he can hold is worth hanging on to I suppose. :confused:

Bad broadcaster? I don't think that's really fair, Adam. I thought he always did an excellent job of explaining how great Joe Morgan was. ;)

[waffle]

Bad broadcaster? I don't think that's really fair, Adam. I thought he always did an excellent job of explaining how great Joe Morgan was. ;)

Tru.... Joe Morgan, Broadcaster, thinks Joe Morgan, Player, should be considered for the Hall of Fame... hell, if he got a vote, I'm sure he'd vote for him every year! Joe Morgan - the best player in baseball's history, just ask him!

[icehog3]

Tru.... Joe Morgan, Broadcaster, thinks Joe Morgan, Player, should be considered for the Hall of Fame... hell, if he got a vote, I'm sure he'd vote for him every year! Joe Morgan - the best player in baseball's history, just ask him!

Love it when he talks about himself in the 3rd person, Steve. :lr

[waffle]

There is nothing more infuriating then listening to Joe Joe talk... "Well... when I played, this is how it was done".... "Joe Morgan wouldn't have let that ball through"... "Joe Morgan would have ridden that bomb a la Slim Pickens because thats the kind of team player Joe Morgan was."

And for the youngsters....


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[icehog3]

Yer killin' me! :lr

[waffle]

Yer killin' me! :lr

I try, I try :)

[chippewastud79]

Love it when he talks about himself in the 3rd person, Steve. :lr

I would almost like to hear his radio show to hear him talk about how what he did in baseball would translate to other sports, in the third person of course. :gary

"When Joe Morgan was playing the Cubs in '74, I would have played a pop-up with the sun in my eyes just like DeSean should have fielded that punt."

"When Joe had a sore ankle, he rubbed dirt on it and didn't miss a ground ball, players these days could take a page from old Joe's book. " :confused:


Whom ever came up with the idea of allowing him to not only talk about baseball, but all sports must have been losing their job anyway. I am sure his discussion on the US Open or Ryder Cup will be just riveting. :td

[Starscream]

A one hour sports radio show on Sports USA Radio Network? Does anyone even know who carries the show? Yeah, I wouldn't trade that in either. Frankly, he is a bad sports announcer/analyst/broadcater/journalist, any job he can hold is worth hanging on to I suppose. :confused:

He also works with the Reds too, in some sort of PR position (or at least he did at the beginning of the season).

[Starscream]

I would hardly call that stealing signals. He took a step inside and coincidentally (maybe not) that is where Hannigan set up. Hannigan set up inside the next pitch and he didn't take the step. :confused:

It might be a little bush league, but it happens at every level of baseball. Hell, little leaguers point to where the catcher sets up. In the end knowing where the pitcher is set up helps you about as much as a corked bat, you still have to hit the ball. :2
Happens ALL the time, but you're not supposed to get caught. When you do, you or someone on the team pays the price.;)


BTW, there are a couple of recent studies that have come out saying that corked bats don't really help at all. When that study came out, I bet Albert Bell shed a tear or two.:D

[chippewastud79]

Happens ALL the time, but you're not supposed to get caught. When you do, you or someone on the team pays the price.;)


BTW, there are a couple of recent studies that have come out saying that corked bats don't really help at all. When that study came out, I bet Albert Bell shed a tear or two.:D

Homer put one high and tight on Victorino. ;)

Last I had heard, Sports Science or someone concluded that it gives you about a 2-3% improvement on distance, about 10-12 feet on a homerun. But you still have to hit the baseball. :sh

[chippewastud79]

Halladay owns the Reds. That was just plain dominating (again). :jd

[Starscream]

reds suck...

[elderboy02]

I can't wait to see our call-ups. I am excited to see Devin Mesorraco. Although I have heard that he is pretty fatigued at this point because he has played 100+ games so far.

[chippewastud79]

Another over-hyped prospect on his way to the majors, lets see if he can be better than Stubbs and Janish. :hm

[BigAsh]

Halladay owns the Reds. That was just plain dominating (again). :jd

Insert "Cliff Lee"....Watching the series and what shocks me is all the EMPTY seats!....Nice new ballpark, good team, and playing the best team in the majors, why no support?...

[elderboy02]

Insert "Cliff Lee"....Watching the series and what shocks me is all the EMPTY seats!....Nice new ballpark, good team, and playing the best team in the majors, why no support?...

Because the Reds aren't winning.

I will be at the game this afternoon with the boss and his son. Watching the Reds > working :tu

[chippewastud79]

Insert "Cliff Lee"....Watching the series and what shocks me is all the EMPTY seats!....Nice new ballpark, good team, and playing the best team in the majors, why no support?...

Because most of Cincinnati (read: Homers) only care about the team if they are winning. ;)

[BigAsh]

Because the Reds aren't winning.

I will be at the game this afternoon with the boss and his son. Watching the Reds > working :tu

Because most of Cincinnati (read: Homers) only care about the team if they are winning. ;)

Really?..its baseball....I say get out and enjoy the experience!...btw, the Reds are only a couple games south of .500 right?...Not like they're the Mets!....



And enjoy the game Dan!!

[chippewastud79]

Really?..its baseball....I say get out and enjoy the experience!...btw, the Reds are only a couple games south of .500 right?...Not like they're the Mets!....


If only it were that easy in Cincinnati. There are so many teams for people to claim are their favorites in this area. Everyone is a UC/XU/Ohio/Bengals/Louisville/UK/Reds fan when they are winning, if said team is not winning, they can move to a different team. Fans here, in general, are fickle and don't know/care much about sports other than if you are winning. :td

[BigAsh]

If only it were that easy in Cincinnati. There are so many teams for people to claim are their favorites in this area. Everyone is a UC/XU/Ohio/Bengals/Louisville/UK/Reds fan when they are winning, if said team is not winning, they can move to a different team. Fans here, in general, are fickle and don't know/care much about sports other than if you are winning. :td

Opposite here...we'll still come out to the game if they're losing...just to boo!!

[waffle]

Opposite here...we'll still come out to the game if they're losing...just to boo!!

I blame it squarely on the likes of one Mike Brown... when he openly admitted he makes just as much money when he loses than when he wins, fans just had enough... however, there is a certain homerism to be had... but I think its that way with all cities where there aren't the diehards who had it bred into them that they live with the team and die with the team...

However, I do agree, its a great time to get out to the game and watch... people don't realize what theyre missing until its gone.

[BigAsh]

I blame it squarely on the likes of one Mike Brown... when he openly admitted he makes just as much money when he loses than when he wins, fans just had enough... however, there is a certain homerism to be had... but I think its that way with all cities where there aren't the diehards who had it bred into them that they live with the team and die with the team...

However, I do agree, its a great time to get out to the game and watch... people don't realize what theyre missing until its gone.

:tu

[waffle]

:tu

I'm going on the 17th... drinking across the river then catching the ferry over... it'll be a blast!

[BigAsh]

I'm going on the 17th... drinking across the river then catching the ferry over... it'll be a blast!

That's what I'm talking about!...good times with good friends, family, co-workers, etc.....if your team wins then BONUS!!....if not, gives you something to b!tch about on the way home, but your belly is still full of hot dogs, peanuts and crackerjacks!

[Starscream]

I can't wait to see our call-ups. I am excited to see Devin Mesorraco. Although I have heard that he is pretty fatigued at this point because he has played 100+ games so far.

He's the only prospect I really am interested in right now b/c he's gonna be our starter next year. Despite the hype we've heard about his defense, it looks pretty mediocre from the videos I've seen, but he's supposed to carry a decent bat. Nothing against Hernandez, but you can see him slowly falling off.

Good to see we dumped Hermida and DFA'd Lewis.:tu

We need some definite upgrades for the left side of the field next year. LF and third are gonna be major problems next season if we don't make some changes.
Heisey/Sappelt/Alonso in LF isn't good and Rolen/Frazier/Francisco/possibly Alonso at third isn't gonna be pretty either.

[elderboy02]

I had to see Francisco today. God, he is still not very good. His swing is horrendous. If I was a pitcher, I would just throw breaking balls because his swing is so darn long. Every time he swung and missed, he fell over onto the plate.

[elderboy02]

Also, Brook Jacoby needs to be fired. When you have Stubbs striking out all the time and you can't get him to adjust somehow, you have failed as a manager.

[Starscream]

I had to see Francisco today. God, he is still not very good. His swing is horrendous. If I was a pitcher, I would just throw breaking balls because his swing is so darn long. Every time he swung and missed, he fell over onto the plate.

Hellz yeah! You see, Adam? Dan can make posts here that aren't always homeristic statements.

I wrote Francisco off last year after his big league disaster. He hasn't been bad in the minors this year, but I see him as another EE at third. Mediocre hitter with bad defense, yet good pitching will wipe him out as well.

Dan is basically saying that Fransisco has the same swing as Stubbs, which is also about the same as Frazier and Sappelt. Way too long and trying to hit for power, yet they are not power hitters.

[chippewastud79]

Hellz yeah! You see, Adam? Dan can make posts here that aren't always homeristic statements.

I wrote Francisco off last year after his big league disaster. He hasn't been bad in the minors this year, but I see him as another EE at third. Mediocre hitter with bad defense, yet good pitching will wipe him out as well.

Dan is basically saying that Fransisco has the same swing as Stubbs, which is also about the same as Frazier and Sappelt. Way too long and trying to hit for power, yet they are not power hitters.

It took 140 games, but he finally figured it out. :tu

[waffle]

It took 140 games, but he finally figured it out. :tu

Better late than never!! And I agree... somebody needs to be exposed for that horrific strikeout king... if he's so fast, why isnt he ripping infield singles like its going out of style? Seriously, a ball in play between the pitcher and 3rd, he should get on about 75% of the time if his speed is what they say it is.

[elderboy02]

Better late than never!! And I agree... somebody needs to be exposed for that horrific strikeout king... if he's so fast, why isnt he ripping infield singles like its going out of style? Seriously, a ball in play between the pitcher and 3rd, he should get on about 75% of the time if his speed is what they say it is.

Agreed. Maybe Jacoby should tell him to move up or back in the box. Something!

[Starscream]

Better late than never!! And I agree... somebody needs to be exposed for that horrific strikeout king... if he's so fast, why isnt he ripping infield singles like its going out of style? Seriously, a ball in play between the pitcher and 3rd, he should get on about 75% of the time if his speed is what they say it is.

If they called for him to bunt for a hit more often, his speed would get him on base more times than not. But they don't seem to want to let the kid bunt.

[waffle]

If they called for him to bunt for a hit more often, his speed would get him on base more times than not. But they don't seem to want to let the kid bunt.

Correction, the kid is TURRIBLE at bunting... when they give you the "swing away" sign and you're the first batter, a bunt is still considered a swing...he could take it upon himself, ESPECIALLY with the bases empty to lay down a bunt, but hes afraid to try because as the Cowboy has pointed out, that kid cant bunt worth a lick.

[Starscream]

Correction, the kid is TURRIBLE at bunting... when they give you the "swing away" sign and you're the first batter, a bunt is still considered a swing...he could take it upon himself, ESPECIALLY with the bases empty to lay down a bunt, but hes afraid to try because as the Cowboy has pointed out, that kid cant bunt worth a lick.

Last year and earlier this year I would agree, but have you seen his attempts of recent? he's laid down some pretty good ones.

[chippewastud79]

Last year and earlier this year I would agree, but have you seen his attempts of recent? he's laid down some pretty good ones.

Lets be honest, the kid isn't faster than most of the lead off hitters in the NL. Reyes, Victorino, Bourn, Weeks etc. all faster and can put down bunts for base hits on the reg. ;s

[chippewastud79]

Reds Win! Reds Win! :tu :banger :D :noon :gary

[icehog3]

21st win for Verlander! :wo

Oops, wrong thread. ;)

[chippewastud79]

21st win for Verlander! :wo

Oops, wrong thread. ;)

Verlander is the ace every team wishes they had. He may single handedly be winning that division for the Tigers. :tu

[icehog3]

Verlander is the ace every team wishes they had. He may single handedly be winning that division for the Tigers. :tu

Their record in games he has pitched in versus games he has not pretty much confirms that, Adam. :tu

[elderboy02]

Reds win! Reds win! :banger :tu :banger :tu :)

[Starscream]

Lets be honest, the kid isn't faster than most of the lead off hitters in the NL. Reyes, Victorino, Bourn, Weeks etc. all faster and can put down bunts for base hits on the reg. ;s

Not sure what this has to do with the argument? I never said he was the fastest player in the league. He is pretty darn fast, though.


To be honest, I am more than ok with him being on this team as long as Dusty realizes that Stubbs will be nothing more than a 6-8 hitter. We all know that he can't be a leadoff hitter b/c of his swing. Stubbs' numbers would be acceptable as a bottom of the order hitter on most MLB teams.

[waffle]

Not sure what this has to do with the argument? I never said he was the fastest player in the league. He is pretty darn fast, though.


I like him 6-8 too, the biggest issue with him in Cincy was the fact that he was batting leadoff and couldnt get on base. Now that hes in the middle of the lineup, it works well. He's batting around what you could expect out a 6-8 batter and it gets him work while at the same time taking pressure off him of getting on base. Also, the speed in the end of the lineup is a nice jolt.
To be honest, I am more than ok with him being on this team as long as Dusty realizes that Stubbs will be nothing more than a 6-8 hitter. We all know that he can't be a leadoff hitter b/c of his swing. Stubbs' numbers would be acceptable as a bottom of the order hitter on most MLB teams.

[chippewastud79]

Not sure what this has to do with the argument? I never said he was the fastest player in the league. He is pretty darn fast, though.


To be honest, I am more than ok with him being on this team as long as Dusty realizes that Stubbs will be nothing more than a 6-8 hitter. We all know that he can't be a leadoff hitter b/c of his swing. Stubbs' numbers would be acceptable as a bottom of the order hitter on most MLB teams.

He doesn't have to speed to bunt for a base hit on the reg. He is quick, can't get on base very well, so it negates a lot of the upside to the way he plays baseball. He would be a fabulous pinch runner the way he strikes out, that would give him significantly more SB attempts. :tu

[chippewastud79]

I like him 6-8 too, the biggest issue with him in Cincy was the fact that he was batting leadoff and couldnt get on base. Now that hes in the middle of the lineup, it works well. He's batting around what you could expect out a 6-8 batter and it gets him work while at the same time taking pressure off him of getting on base. Also, the speed in the end of the lineup is a nice jolt.
To be honest, I am more than ok with him being on this team as long as Dusty realizes that Stubbs will be nothing more than a 6-8 hitter. We all know that he can't be a leadoff hitter b/c of his swing. Stubbs' numbers would be acceptable as a bottom of the order hitter on most MLB teams.

He really is an 8 hitter, if he gets on base the pitcher bunts him over and he can score on deep singles. :sh

[chippewastud79]

Reds must have lost. :td

[icehog3]

Reds must have lost. :td

No Dan sighting?

Let me help.

Tigers win! Tigers win! :banger :wo :noon :banger

[chippewastud79]

No Dan sighting?



That was my first clue. ;)

Tigers pulled off a nice one tonight. Maybe I should cheer for them more hardily. Its tough not getting FSN Detroit in Cincinnati, I wish I could see the Tigers more often. They have better announcers on FSN Detroit too. Cutting away during the rain delay to see the Reds losing was kind of ironic, as I was reminded why watching the Tigers was always more fun. :tu

[icehog3]

That was my first clue. ;)

Tigers pulled off a nice one tonight. Maybe I should cheer for them more hardily. Its tough not getting FSN Detroit in Cincinnati, I wish I could see the Tigers more often. They have better announcers on FSN Detroit too. Cutting away during the rain delay to see the Reds losing was kind of ironic, as I was reminded why watching the Tigers was always more fun. :tu

I think they put the nail in the Wite Sox' coffin tonight, and I don't think the Indians have the jiuce.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Tigers can get out of the AL unless their starting pitchers can all give them 7 innings a game....not just Verlander and Fister.

[chippewastud79]

I think they put the nail in the Wite Sox' coffin tonight, and I don't think the Indians have the jiuce.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Tigers can get out of the AL unless their starting pitchers can all give them 7 innings a game....not just Verlander and Fister.

I concur. Sadly, it appears as if they are in line to be the Reds of last year in the AL this year. They just can't have Verlander start 3 games in a 5 game series. :tu

[Starscream]

He doesn't have to speed to bunt for a base hit on the reg. He is quick, can't get on base very well, so it negates a lot of the upside to the way he plays baseball. He would be a fabulous pinch runner the way he strikes out, that would give him significantly more SB attempts. :tu
If they did that, we wouldn't need Arroyo anymore.:D

[Starscream]

30 one run losses this season.
Only team that is beating us in that category is KC with 31.

[chippewastud79]

30 one run losses this season.
Only team that is beating us in that category is KC with 31.

The opposite of last season when they pulled off a bunch of miracle wins in the last AB's. ;)

Win their first series of the season against the Cardinals and then follow it up by losing to the Cubs. :rolleyes:

They just don't like supporting Willis I think :td