Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!)

[AdamJoshua]

Thanks other Adam, and yes I noticed that after but too late to edit / delete the link.

[T.G]

Thanks other Adam, and yes I noticed that after but too late to edit / delete the link.

My comments about the list, it's lack of blends and how it's touted as much more than it is were directed at it, not you or the fact that you posted it. Hope it didn't come across as sounding like it was being directed at you as that was not my intention.

[Fredo456]

Thanks other Adam, and yes I noticed that after but too late to edit / delete the link.

Glad you didn't, there's still some interesting reading to be done there, and links to other articles.

[AdamJoshua]

Hey Adam the First, nope not at all and I wasn't being sarcastic either (which is odd for me :P )

I have a question I didn't see an answer too, or I googled it wrong, why is it easy well not painful to snork a CC it's pleasing and helps you pick up the subtle aromas and tastes and if you snork a NC ... it will most likely give you the feeling of someone sticking lit matches in your sinuses?

While I'm sure not all NCs have this affect it seems a great many do, is it purely the leaf used in the CCs or some magical process of fermenting they use, you'd think anything other than the leaf is used everywhere.

[T.G]

Thanks, my other brother Adam, I just wanted to make sure.

As for the snorking of NC vs CC and why one burns your nostrils and the other doesn't, I don't think there is going to be one single answer / reason that covers every situation, and any given cigar could have multiple reasons.

Yes, fermentation style is a possibility (everyone does it differently), strength of the tobacco being used, be it inherent to the particular strain/varietal of tobacco or the growing conditions, soil minerals, age of the tobacco, how much of the upper priming tobacco like ligero and viso are in the cigar, etc.

Generally speaking Cuban cigars are milder than some of their NC counterparts. Comparing a Cuban cigar for strength to most Tatuajes, JdNs, Padrons, Liga Privadas, Opus X, Camacho Black, etc. Most of the time, it's just no contest, these NCs are in another world. Stronger tobaccos and craploads more high primings (the closer you get to the top of the plant, the "stronger" the leaves are).

Now, compare a Cuban cigar to, say, a Macanudo (the "original" ones), Zino, AVO (beige), NC Dunhill, Nat Shermans, NC Fonseca, etc. those are all milder NCs, a lot of shade grown capas (wrapper leaf) being used, not a a ton of ligero in the blends, these are actually much easier when snorked. If anything, some of them might not have the age of a comparable strength Cuban cigar, or vice versa. Cuban cigars have box codes, but that's just when they were rolled and boxed, not when the tobacco was picked and fermented, they are aging tobacco now prior to rolling, but how much, reports vary. NC aging of tobacco before rolling is not always the absolute that it's presented as.

Location, climate, soil and fertilizer additions to tobacco play just as much a part in the end product as they do with any other plant. Fertilize one plant, but don't fertilize the one in the next pot over and what happens? Grow one on the coast with lots of morning fog and moisture and one more inland in different soil with a greater amount of direct sunlight and an extra 10-15 degrees during the day; again, you'll get different results.

Sorry for the long answer, this thread isn't typically for that, but I hope that kind of gives you an idea, and, there's probably more to it what has been mentioned.

[AdamJoshua]

I figured it was a combination of things, and that it would make for a good post here, as in good information from helpful people with a great knowledge.

btw I like the Davidoff 2000s and those are "snorkable" for lack of a better term. :r

[AdamJoshua]

Ok one last question. Is there a difference in buying sticks 5x5 (5 boxes of 5) instead of a box of 25, I'm guessing the only difference is you don't get them all boxed and matched, is there an advantage to buying the box such as the quality of all 25 will be the same or closer than the 5x5s ?

[icehog3]

Some don't like the way cigars age in the 5X5 boxes....I have had bad ones, and I have had great ones, so who knows?

I prefer cabs and SLBs over both of those, by the way.

[Cookee]

I noticed that end of my cigars last two or three inches is getting hot, is this due to the cigars being too lose, do I need to switch over to a punch instead of a cutter? Just curious as few of the recent cigars I had to stop smoking due to it getting too hot on the draw. I have a found a few tricks to help with it but it seems once I get to back of the cigar they don't work.

I know someone mention when I asked about draw that they said humidity could be too low, but this has happen with new and old cigars in my box. I do live in Florida could this also contribute?

[AdamJoshua]

Good chance you are hitting it too many times, give the cigar a chance to cool down before taking another puff, i read somewhere that once every 60 seconds or more is a good 'rate', if you hit it too much you hot box it like a cig plus you are hitting the tabac with too much heat and changing the flavor profile. (is it getting bitter as you smoke it and it gets overheated?)

[RWhisenand]

Good chance you are hitting it too many times...

Are you sure you have the right forum?












:):D:noon;)

[Cookee]

Answer Adam's question that is one of tricks I do but when it gets to end no matter if I let it sit for several minutes when I draw in it gets too hot I feel the heat and no flavor pretty much at all or bitterness as you stated.

[RobR1205]

Answer Adam's question that is one of tricks I do but when it gets to end no matter if I let it sit for several minutes when I draw in it gets too hot I feel the heat and no flavor pretty much at all or bitterness as you stated.

I've found that some cigars can be nubbed all the way to the end, and some just can't because of tar buildup or tobacco quality. When I take notes on the cigars I smoke, this is one of the criteria I score them with. Not all cigars can be taken down to the last inch or so without getting a little nasty. :2

[icehog3]

Too low a humidity (too dry) can definiteely cause a cigar to burn hot. We are talking very low though, I keep my cigars around 61% RH and they burn fine.

If I have a cigar that seems obviously underfilled, I will use a punch rather than my Palio, but I am guessing that all these sticks that got too hot on you couldn't have all been underfilled, so RH is definitely something to consider.

[Mattso3000]

Answer Adam's question that is one of tricks I do but when it gets to end no matter if I let it sit for several minutes when I draw in it gets too hot I feel the heat and no flavor pretty much at all or bitterness as you stated.

Sometimes a good purge (exhaling through the cigar) will help with this problem.

[dragnframe]

I see that the cigar has a rating called ring gauge,What is that rating for?

[T.G]

I see that the cigar has a rating called ring gauge,What is that rating for?

It's the diameter of the cigar measured in 64ths of an inch.

[dragnframe]

If stored correctly, How long can cigars last?

[pnoon]

If stored correctly, How long can cigars last?

Decades

[Fredo456]

If stored correctly, How long can cigars last?

Forever. Although from what I read, they tend to become milder with age and that doesn't suit all cigars, especially milder ones (in the very long term).

[mk05]

If stored correctly, How long can cigars last?

The word "correctly" here, is ambiguous. It depends on what you're looking for in this hobby. In an airtight environment - as in a vacuum sealed box - your box could taste like the day that you bought it, even after decades' time. Although theoretical since we didn't have vacuum packing technology for boxes back then to confirm this empirically, old European vendors had been using a similar technique to preserve cigars for the long-run by wrapping the boxes in an air/water resistant parchment called glassine.

There are many schools of thought on what is the "ideal" aging method. Again, it depends on what you're looking for; You have to develop a palate and figure out what you like and dislike in a cigar. Maybe you actually like the taste of a fresh cigar, much like some oenophiles who willingly trade flavor/intensity of young wine for the strong youthful tannins. Or maybe you try some vintage cigars and find that you prefer that taste.

My advice right now would be to just smoke as many cigars as possible, and just enjoy yourself. Don't overthink it!

[dragnframe]

The word "correctly" here, is ambiguous. It depends on what you're looking for in this hobby. In an airtight environment - as in a vacuum sealed box - your box could taste like the day that you bought it, even after decades' time. Although theoretical since we didn't have vacuum packing technology for boxes back then to confirm this empirically, old European vendors had been using a similar technique to preserve cigars for the long-run by wrapping the boxes in an air/water resistant parchment called glassine.

There are many schools of thought on what is the "ideal" aging method. Again, it depends on what you're looking for; You have to develop a palate and figure out what you like and dislike in a cigar. Maybe you actually like the taste of a fresh cigar, much like some oenophiles who willingly trade flavor/intensity of young wine for the strong youthful tannins. Or maybe you try some vintage cigars and find that you prefer that taste.

My advice right now would be to just smoke as many cigars as possible, and just enjoy yourself. Don't overthink it!


Thanks, I starting to see this cigar is alot like drinking beer. There is a million out there to try and you wanna try them all, but as with any thing you will always have a favorite!:tu

[dragnframe]

Ok, another dumb question I have while I have been looking around. How do you know that a cigar is infused? If I stop at my local B & M and I grab a cigar does it say on there any where, or do I need to do my research before hand?

[Porch Dweller]

Ok, another dumb question I have while I have been looking around. How do you know that a cigar is infused? If I stop at my local B & M and I grab a cigar does it say on there any where, or do I need to do my research before hand?

You can do your research before hand, ask the sales staff, or simply put that sucker up to your nose and take a big whiff.

[pnoon]

You can do your research before hand, ask the sales staff, or simply put that sucker up to your nose and take a big whiff.

I say A or B.
C not so much.

[AdamJoshua]

I dont know peter I have a pretty big jew nose .. C might work for me. :D

Fake Edit: I'm Jewish so i can say that :hy

[chippewastud79]

I dont know peter I have a pretty big jew nose .. C might work for me. :D

Fake Edit: I'm Jewish so i can say that :hy

C, moreso since it is generally bad form to place your nose on a cigar you haven't purchased. ;)

[pnoon]

C, moreso since it is generally bad form to place your nose on a cigar you haven't purchased. ;)

That was my point, too.

[CigarNut]

I sometimes sniff the foot of a cigar -- end-on. Near but clearly not touching my nose.

[AdamJoshua]

C, moreso since it is generally bad form to place your nose on a cigar you haven't purchased. ;)

Ah but the point is that my nose is SOOOO big (how big is it???) that I wouldn't need to be within 3 feet of it to get a big whiff :sl

[Porch Dweller]

C, moreso since it is generally bad form to place your nose on a cigar you haven't purchased. ;)

I didn't say tickle your sinuses with it, just take a big whiff. :D I can do that with my nose >1" from the smoke.

[AdamJoshua]

Since someone asked me in PM what the slope was I did a little finger sketch to explain my experience with the slope.

Excuse the tiny writing on the iphone .. (all dates are rough estimates)

Jan 10th - Discovers Cigars
Jan 22th - Joins CA
Jan 30th - Gets S.H.I.T. herf invite, is FORCED to try new and exotic cigars (i.e., good ones)
Feb 12th ... self explanatory with added "Damn you Peter and Angel"

This my slope, minus the winador etc., etc., etc.,

[icehog3]

Since someone asked me in PM what the slope was I did a little finger sketch to explain my experience with the slope.

Excuse the tiny writing on the iphone .. (all dates are rough estimates)

Jan 10th - Discovers Cigars
Jan 20th - Joins CI
Jan 22nd - Joins Cigar Asylum
Jan 30th - Gets S.H.I.T. herf invite, is FORCED to try new and exotic cigars (i.e., good ones)
Feb 12th ... self explanatory with added "Damn you Peter and Angel"

This my slope, minus the winador etc., etc., etc.,

Fixed it.

[AdamJoshua]

grazie

[CigarNut]

Very cool!

[Zane]

Fixed it.

According to the acronym sticky he was already correct. ;)


cA is the Magazine! :noon

[AdamJoshua]

Ca is the mag they get the little "a" .. never the less I put CI because i'm a retard .. :sad

[icehog3]

Let's get this thread back on track for beginners to ask their questions, Men. :)

Lotsa threads to banter in elsewhere.

[dragnframe]

OK, I feel pretty dumb asking this, What does cc and nc stand for?

[Remo]

OK, I feel pretty dumb asking this, What does cc and nc stand for?

Cuban Cigar...Non Cuban

[AdamJoshua]

Means you should probably read / favorite this thread .. it's very handy.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2190

[pnoon]

Means you should probably read / favorite this thread .. it's very handy.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2190
:tpd:
That's why it's a sticky thread.

[dragnframe]

Cuban Cigar...Non Cuban

Ha, You know whats funy is I have thought about this since I first saw it.
Today I get my order from C.I. and in it is a Cigar Journal book. I am reading about all the different countries makeing cigars,When the come to the country Cuba. As I am reading it hits me. Hey dumbass CC is Cuban cigars and NC is non Cuban. :r

I knew as soon as I would ask that I would figure it out and feel stupid! Yep that time has came! Please excuse me while I go beat my head on a wall for being an idiot! :tu

[Remo]

All Noob's once :tu

[AdamJoshua]

Ok noOb question. I have noticed lately that some cigars, usually CCs are much lighter than NC cigars. Is this just a coincidence and these cigars are drier, is it the way they are rolled (doubt that one but could have something to do with the amount of filler maybe) or the leaf (again doubt this too)? I'm going to guess they are just a bit drier? (even though the wrappers aren't really dry and crispy)

I just realized I'm probably smoking a couple very similar sticks and comparing everything else to them ... :sl

[icehog3]

I find Cubans to be more nuanced and lighter in general than many popular NCs, but of course there are exceptions. Different leaf, different soil, what I believe to be a conscious choice over mere coincidence.

[T.G]

Ok noOb question. I have noticed lately that some cigars, usually CCs are much lighter than NC cigars. Is this just a coincidence and these cigars are drier, is it the way they are rolled (doubt that one but could have something to do with the amount of filler maybe) or the leaf (again doubt this too)? I'm going to guess they are just a bit drier? (even though the wrappers aren't really dry and crispy)

I just realized I'm probably smoking a couple very similar sticks and comparing everything else to them ... :sl
Apples and oranges broheim.

Each NC factory does things their way, Cuba does things their way. Don't worry about the weights.

[AdamJoshua]

So I worded that poorly, I meant as far as weight, although yes I love CCs just for that reason, a lighter more mild/mellow smoke that you really relax and pay more attention to the flavors. To me a much more enjoyable and relaxing smoke overall.

[Yellow Cello]

Hi BOTL and SOTL!
I am new to this fourm and have a question about the "trading" number at the bottom of your profiles for example "AdamJoshua" listed above me has a tradng number of 1.
I have been enjoying lurking this foum. Seems like a good group!

Thanks

[CigarNut]

The number represents the number of trades that the person has been involved in where the trader registered feedback (positive, negative or neutral) about the trade.

At this time you do not have access to the trading areas but access will be granted with time and participation.

As a new member you can check out (and participate) in the Newbie Sampler Trade (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=46087)

[AdamJoshua]

Hey Yellow Cello welcome aboard, there is also a newbie thread here where you can post a "hi I am ... " and give us your life story, please keep it to 350 words or less though :D

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7

[Cookee]

Is there a trick to getting a new lighter that is empty. I have made a few cigar purchases and got a free lighters with them or they were part of the package deal. They seem to be very nice lighters but have issues lighting. One is a Bugatti B-2002 the other is Moretti Carbon Fiber Torch. I am using Ricoh butane. Could it be the quality of the Butane? Just curious as because I have a Ricoh cheap lighter and it lights up everytime where the high quality ones have issues. Could this be why they were free or were with the package too?

Example one I have to hold side ways to get it to light sometimes, the other will light up and turn into a flame lighter instead of a torch.

[Mattso3000]

Cookee...try purging the fuel by pressing the tiny interior ring in the refill area before filling. A tiny screwdriver is what I usually use. They probably just had some air in the tank and you are getting air bubbles blocking butane flow. Could also try increasing the flow too. Turn the exterior ring towards the little plus sign (mini screwdriver is the perfect too for this).

[14holestogie]

Find some triple refined or better butane (I use Vector from CI). It sounds like you've got some jets blocked with the impurities from your butane. Sometimes a shot of compressed air into the jets is enough to dislodge the gunk. Others use the butane itself and spray it into the jets to clear. That's the first step. Clear the jets. Also, after filling, resist the urge to try it out until the butane has a chance to warm up, maybe 15 minutes or so.

I have the Bugatti and mine works fine. Nice heft to it and the dual flame pointed towards each other make for a nice flame with pin-point accuracy. I have another on the way. Free is good. :)

[bobarian]

It is not unusual to have to adjust the flow after refilling or changing fuel. Purge, refill and then fiddle with the adjusting screw(try up and down) until it lights as you prefer. :2

[Sime83]

Could someone explain what a "dry" cigar is? I smoked a Balmoral cigar and found it far too strong / overpowering for my liking. When I searched around it came under the category of a dry cigar but I'm not sure what that means. All I know now is I don't like "dry" cigars haha.

[icehog3]

Dry cigar means the humidity is too low. Will burn fast, hot and possibly be harsh. Strong has nothing to do with the "dry" part.

[bobarian]

Could someone explain what a "dry" cigar is? I smoked a Balmoral cigar and found it far too strong / overpowering for my liking. When I searched around it came under the category of a dry cigar but I'm not sure what that means. All I know now is I don't like "dry" cigars haha.

I suspect you are referring to a cigarillo sized machine made cigar. Dry cured cigars are quite different from long filler cigars. There is a lot of information here: http://www.jrcigars.com/index.cfm?page=jrcu_drycuredcigars

[Gabe215]

For the past years I've been using Boveda packs for my 3 big desktop humidors and for my coolidor (not the biggest one but big enough for about 10 boxes) and I am spending a ton on the boveda packs, I love them but they're expensive (48$ a cube of 12). I've been eyeballing HCM Cigar beads but am nervous about A- how to recharge them, and B- how many and what size to put in my humidors? Anyone who is familiar with these products let me know, I like the idea of having something that's a permanent source of humidification! Anything helps, thanks!

[icehog3]

For the past years I've been using Boveda packs for my 3 big desktop humidors and for my coolidor (not the biggest one but big enough for about 10 boxes) and I am spending a ton on the boveda packs, I love them but they're expensive (48$ a cube of 12). I've been eyeballing HCM Cigar beads but am nervous about A- how to recharge them, and B- how many and what size to put in my humidors? Anyone who is familiar with these products let me know, I like the idea of having something that's a permanent source of humidification! Anything helps, thanks!

Most everything you could want to know...I suggest reading that, and then posting any follow up questions here. :)

http://67.222.135.200/vb/showthread.php?t=618

[RobR1205]

Most everything you could want to know...I suggest reading that, and then posting any follow up questions here. :)

http://67.222.135.200/vb/showthread.php?t=618

The website that sells them also give great instructions depending on your humidor's dimensions, and additional instructions with your purchase. Just picked up a pound a half a couple of months ago for my cabinet and the humidity has been perfect!

[CigarNut]

For the past years I've been using Boveda packs for my 3 big desktop humidors and for my coolidor (not the biggest one but big enough for about 10 boxes) and I am spending a ton on the boveda packs, I love them but they're expensive (48$ a cube of 12). I've been eyeballing HCM Cigar beads but am nervous about A- how to recharge them, and B- how many and what size to put in my humidors? Anyone who is familiar with these products let me know, I like the idea of having something that's a permanent source of humidification! Anything helps, thanks!
There is a lot of information out there in this forum or you can check the website (http://www.hcmcigarbeads.com) or you can contact me via PM or email (info@hcmcigarbeads.com).

[Eros]

I have been smoking cigars for a little over a year now. Typically 1 or 2 a month with the frequency increasing in the summer to about 1 a week. I have yet to taste a thing. I have tried retrohaling and still nothing. I must note that I have never, until recently let a cigar rest for more than two weeks after purchasing it online. I am wondering if anyone else has this issue, or is it something that can be learned? I want to enjoy the flavors and not just the art of smoking. I can tell that cigars differ from one another, but I certainly can't pick out any flavors. And I have had some pretty "premium" or well known brands.

[AdamJoshua]

Wait they have flavors?

If you aren't smoking that often take it easy, it takes time for your pallet to adjust to the flavor profiles, sometimes if you hold the smoke in your mouth for a few seconds and exhale slowly it will help you pick up the taste notes.

What kind of sticks do you smoke, you might want to try something a bit more on the medium side or a nice maduro, something with a more pronounced flavors and a bit of punch to them.

It also depends on what you drink while you smoke, you might want to just try drinking water with a stick and see if that helps you pick up any of the subtle flavors, all in all give it time for your tastes to adjust.

I'm sure others can give better advice but that's my :2

[CamoFlogged]

...I have yet to taste a thing. ... I want to enjoy the flavors and not just the art of smoking. I can tell that cigars differ from one another, but I certainly can't pick out any flavors.

I had the same issue. Also happened with wine. What really helped in finding different flavors in wine was doing a wine tasting event where they went through the different flavors on the palate. I started picking up hints of flavors in wines afterwards. It still takes time and my palate picks up stuff differently from other folks. Reason why I bring this up is you can do the same with cigars.

To me at least, I pick up the essence of something, not really the fully flavor of it. Things that did help was to actually taste some of the things I was supposed to be picking up. Cocoa, holiday type of spice, pepper both black and white, etc. I mean really smell and taste them. Its a combo between the taste of the smoke on the tongue/palate and also through the nose. I had to learn how to take in the smoke just right. It took practice and I agree that maybe more than 1 a week might help you. I have smoked quite a few cigars with people who have never smoked before and can't remember a single one that could pick up a taste. I am sure it happens but not with me so far.

One thing I always do it make sure I take the time to smell the cigar pre-light to see what I can recognize; barnyard, cocoa, tobacco, cedar, sweetness, etc. Take my time to really enjoy the aroma's the cigar is making. This is part of the mystique and enjoyment to smoking cigars.

I have also found humidity plays a role in this and also what I am drinking at the time. Shoot, what I had for dinner can affect it too.

Anyway, you will get a lot of more educated answers than mine, just sharing the little things I have done.

-C

[carlcalvin]

Fancier label could make cigar taste better. it all depends.

[CamoFlogged]

Fancier label could make cigar taste better. it all depends.

Only if you smoke the label.

[mcjoe]

My understanding is that by toasting the foot it is easier to ensure an even burn throughout the cigar.

Agree. But make sure to use a wooden match. Lighter with a noxious gas affects the chemical taste to your cigar and affect the pleasure of your cigar-smoking experience. Butane is acceptable.

[pnoon]

Agree. But make sure to use a wooden match. Lighter with a noxious gas affects the chemical taste to your cigar and affect the pleasure of your cigar-smoking experience. Butane is acceptable.

The post you replied to is two and a half years old.

[marktomblin57]

Has anyone hear of the cigars Slober Knockers? Who makes them?

[CamoFlogged]

Has anyone hear of the cigars Slober Knockers? Who makes them?

RoMa Craft Tobac

http://romacrafttobac.com/cromagnon.html

[chippewastud79]

Has anyone hear of the cigars Slober Knockers? Who makes them?

RoMa Craft Tobac, limited release from last year. :tu

From their blog: "The Slobberknocker, is a 7 ½ x 56 two-headed schizophrenic beast hybrid of the CroMagnon and Aquitaine blends. The filler contains a double-dose of ligero, which our most avid fans know is a characteristic of our Mandible vitola. For the binder, we use the thickest, gnarliest Ecuador Habano Ligero leaf from our Aquitaine wrapper-leaf inventory. For the wrapper, we use the highest grade US Connecticut Broadleaf Maduro from our CroMagnon wrapper-leaf inventory. Each cigar is hand bunched, pressed and rolled by a single master torcedor."

[marktomblin57]

Another newbie question. So how do I find a HERF in my area in East Texas around Livingston. There's so much to learn.

Mark-(P

[kydsid]

Another newbie question. So how do I find a HERF in my area in East Texas around Livingston. There's so much to learn.

Mark-(P

Keep and eye on the Texas Banter thread, seems like a lot of us Houston area people are commenting there about events. Get on the facebook pages/websites/twitter etc for local B&M's to know when they are having any kind of event. Keep an eye on the Herf section of the forums. Or start one yourself.

[organgrinder]

Hey Guys a newbie humidor question here

In your opinions would I be better served to start out with a fridgador with shelves from chasidor right away or start out with a desk top model

I currently and using a tupperdor that is full and i am expecting a shipment on Mon

It seems that a decent wooden humidor is about the same price as a fridge without the shelves

I really like the chasidor shelves in the wine fridges

I would not be getting the shelves for a few months

Just looking for opinions

Thanks in advance

[NCRadioMan]

Hey Guys a newbie humidor question here

In your opinions would I be better served to start out with a fridgador with shelves from chasidor right away or start out with a desk top model

I currently and using a tupperdor that is full and i am expecting a shipment on Mon

It seems that a decent wooden humidor is about the same price as a fridge without the shelves

I really like the chasidor shelves in the wine fridges

I would not be getting the shelves for a few months

Just looking for opinions

Thanks in advance

Since you're in WI, heat is not a problem so why go with a wine fridge? And unless you want a piece of furniture, I would suggest a Coleman or Igloo cooler. Best bang for the buck for cigar storage. More money to spend filling it up!

:2

[Lockspur]

Since you're in WI, heat is not a problem so why go with a wine fridge? And unless you want a piece of furniture, I would suggest a Coleman or Igloo cooler. Best bang for the buck for cigar storage. More money to spend filling it up!

:2

I double his :2

[chippewastud79]

Chasidor disappeared from the forum quite some time ago. :sh

[Jbailey]

Since you're in WI, heat is not a problem so why go with a wine fridge? And unless you want a piece of furniture, I would suggest a Coleman or Igloo cooler. Best bang for the buck for cigar storage. More money to spend filling it up!

:2

Greg is correct. I keep my coolers in the basement and they stay perfect!

[CigarNut]

As others have said: if aesthetics are not an issue, a cooler is the best way to go.

[Gabe215]

What NCRadioMan said!!!!

[organgrinder]

thanks all im trying to decide on function or form ideally you have both but they rarely coincide

[Milvel]

I have been smoking cigars for a little over a year now. Typically 1 or 2 a month with the frequency increasing in the summer to about 1 a week. I have yet to taste a thing. I have tried retrohaling and still nothing. I must note that I have never, until recently let a cigar rest for more than two weeks after purchasing it online. I am wondering if anyone else has this issue, or is it something that can be learned? I want to enjoy the flavors and not just the art of smoking. I can tell that cigars differ from one another, but I certainly can't pick out any flavors. And I have had some pretty "premium" or well known brands.

Eros,

I've been smoking for little over a year now and just started to make connections to the flavors my friends can list off after just a few puffs.. To me, it seems to be more about your connection to the taste you are experiencing and less about what people say it should taste like.
Just my newbie :2

[Outlaw God]

Anyone use a herf-a-dor for long term storage?

Is leaving them in the foam and a plastic container detrimental, although the humidity is constant at 65% ?
thanks

[14holestogie]

Anyone use a herf-a-dor for long term storage?

Is leaving them in the foam and a plastic container detrimental, although the humidity is constant at 65% ?
thanks

Yes.
No.

[dijit]

As others have said: if aesthetics are not an issue, a cooler is the best way to go.

I would have to agree. I keep a medium sized Humidor on my desk and just purchased a new cooler to keep the extra's in since I have yet to figure out how to justify the cost of a tower to the wife.

[Outlaw God]

Yes.
No.
Yes meaning they work for awhile and then not a good thing for what reason?
I've had 40 in mine for 5 weeks and the cigars have greatly improved.
Thanks

[MUNKY]

The one you enjoy smoking the most amigo! As of late "My Father Cigar" Flor de las Antillas has the crown from last year.

[Outlaw God]

The one you enjoy smoking the most amigo! As of late "My Father Cigar" Flor de las Antillas has the crown from last year.

Such a disappointing cigar :td

[Outlaw God]

What make a long resting cigar better?

[AdamJoshua]

Well I believe resting is more of a period of letting the cigar sit, get to your preferred humidity. If it's a freshly rolled cigar or one bought and shipped, the purpose is to let them 'dry' a bit, some shippers are notorious for shipping very humid cigars so they hold up in transit. :2

I, like you will wait to see what other more informed people say.

[Outlaw God]

Well I believe resting is more of a period of letting the cigar sit, get to your preferred humidity. If it's a freshly rolled cigar or one bought and shipped, the purpose is to let them 'dry' a bit, some shippers are notorious for shipping very humid cigars so they hold up in transit. :2

I, like you will wait to see what other more informed people say.

Thanks brother! :tu

[CigarNut]

Some cigars "age" as they rest -- that is the flavor and character of the cigar may change. This can take years to happen.

This is supposed to be more true of CC's than NC's, but this, like most everything else related to cigars is more about personal tastes and personal choice than anything else.

[CoffeeWaterBeer]

B&M etiquette question: I popped into Georgetown Tobacco down in DC over the weekend and picked up 2 sticks. I left not planning on smoking one right away but returned about 10 minutes later and asked if they had a cutter I could use. One of the guys grabbed a cutter and put his hand out for the cigar. I said I could snip it myself and did so. I didnt think anything of it until another worker said they are always happy to cut for me in what I took to be a somewhat snobby tone. Is it bad form to want to cut my own stick? The way the worker voiced himself just struck me as very odd.

[CamoFlogged]

B&M etiquette question: I popped into Georgetown Tobacco down in DC over the weekend and picked up 2 sticks. I left not planning on smoking one right away but returned about 10 minutes later and asked if they had a cutter I could use. One of the guys grabbed a cutter and put his hand out for the cigar. I said I could snip it myself and did so. I didnt think anything of it until another worker said they are always happy to cut for me in what I took to be a somewhat snobby tone. Is it bad form to want to cut my own stick? The way the worker voiced himself just struck me as very odd.

One concern is if you cut yourself using their cutter, you may go after them in court. So there is some liability issues. Some B&M's insist on cutting. If one of their employees cuts a finger off, it is handed differently. It could be they just really wanted you to know they are there for you. I wouldn't read too much into it if their other services are good.

But I prefer to cut mine too.

[gorob23]

:confused:
Why clutter up a perfectly legitimate cigar related thread with an attempt at humor?

because when we forget to laugh we are all in trouble....

"Francis Lighten up "

Ok So I won't ask my question .....

Rob ;s

[CoffeeWaterBeer]

The personal injury factor does make sense Jeff, and I think I may be looking too far into it as well. I thought I would ask though. *cheers*

[mk05]

What make a long resting cigar better?

Depends what you're looking for in a cigar. A lot of wine advocates used to drink the mature old wines, but recently have moved on to prefer the robust, full offerings of young wines.

So just keep on smoking and find out what you like...and maybe you'll get to the zen moment where you realize, just appreciate everything for what it is.

[Outlaw God]

Depends what you're looking for in a cigar. A lot of wine advocates used to drink the mature old wines, but recently have moved on to prefer the robust, full offerings of young wines.

So just keep on smoking and find out what you like...and maybe you'll get to the zen moment where you realize, just appreciate everything for what it is.

Thanks brother!

[bstarrs]

Rioja is usually pretty bomb with a nice robust cigar. Just a suggestion for you to try that pairing Outlaw.

[Outlaw God]

What makes a cigar that's goes out for an hour and you come come back to it bitter?

[CigarNut]

What makes a cigar that's goes out for an hour and you come come back to it bitter?

The gases in the cigar that got left inside when the cigar went out. It is always best to purge (blow through it) if you know you are going to set it down for a bit.

Also, when you pick up a cigar that has been sitting you should purge it a time or two before re-lighting.

[Porch Dweller]

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[Lockspur]

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[CamoFlogged]

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[icehog3]

My butt itches.

[Outlaw God]

The gases in the cigar that got left inside when the cigar went out. It is always best to purge (blow through it) if you know you are going to set it down for a bit.

Also, when you pick up a cigar that has been sitting you should purge it a time or two before re-lighting.

Great explanation, thanks brother!

[Lockspur]

I totally agree. You have to heal between the floors or you will max your credit cards. How often do we forget this?

Only determinable by the set APR of the GNU. Without that, you'll end up paying prime plus 3%. And either way you look at it, it's a lose-lose for all Bjorks involved.

[Outlaw God]

What the heck are you guys talking about? :confused:

[mk05]

where do i sign up for the credit card?

[Lockspur]

where do i sign up for the credit card?

One must have good and true chi before applying for the cards. Only amazing energy can withstand the spending power of the GNUs.

[Porch Dweller]

loud noises!!!!!

Well, I do love me some lamp! Killed a guy with a trident once, too.

[Outlaw God]

I notice a lot of you who store cigars in large humidors right in there boxes and wondered if that allowed them to be stable in RH properly?

Also I see some here store cigars in plastic vacuum bags and if that allowed them to be stable in RH properly also?

Thanks :tu

[CigarNut]

I think most people use boxes just to simplify the storage of their cigars. Also, keeping the cigars in the original boxes allows you to remember what they are and maybe when you got them (e.g., in the case of CC's there are box codes and dates on the boxes; not sure how many NC manufacturers do this). The cedar in these boxes may add to the flavor of a cigar if it is stored (aged) for a long period of time. Not sure that there is any value to the cardboard boxes othen than what I stated above.

I am not sure what you are referring to regarding plastic vacuum bags. I know some people put their cigars in 1, 3 or five "finger" bags -- Ziploc-like bags that have slots (fingers) for cigar storage.

I know alot of people that use five finger bags for safe storage during travels as they are very good at protecting your cigars. Some people also use these in their humidor -- both opened and closed. If the bags are in my humidor they are open.

Just my :2

[Outlaw God]

I think most people use boxes just to simplify the storage of their cigars. Also, keeping the cigars in the original boxes allows you to remember what they are and maybe when you got them (e.g., in the case of CC's there are box codes and dates on the boxes; not sure how many NC manufacturers do this). The cedar in these boxes may add to the flavor of a cigar if it is stored (aged) for a long period of time. Not sure that there is any value to the cardboard boxes othen than what I stated above.

I am not sure what you are referring to regarding plastic vacuum bags. I know some people put their cigars in 1, 3 or five "finger" bags -- Ziploc-like bags that have slots (fingers) for cigar storage.

I know alot of people that use five finger bags for safe storage during travels as they are very good at protecting your cigars. Some people also use these in their humidor -- both opened and closed. If the bags are in my humidor they are open.

Just my :2

Like this, thanks brother!
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8010

[CamoFlogged]

Like this, thanks brother!
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8010

Doesn't vacuum package do opposite of what you would want? Although the RH would be somewhat stable over a long period, the air helps age the cigar doesn't it? There is zero air transfer here. As the cigar ages, it can still give off ammonia so that would be locked into the cigar. Plus if the stick is shipped to me wet, I don't want it in a vacuum bag wet. I want it to stabilize at the RH I like to smoke them at.

For me, I keep sticks in boxes for long term storage because I believe it manages RH fluctuations better because of the wood (also smells nice) and my humi's are for 5'ers and singles.

Just my theory anyway.

[Outlaw God]

I was wondering about the zero air transfer issue, maybe for cigars that has already bend resting for awhile and maybe for transport in your luggage but sure would be great to stop or kill any beetles

[CamoFlogged]

I was wondering about the zero air transfer issue, maybe for cigars that has already bend resting for awhile and maybe for transport in your luggage but sure would be great to stop or kill any beetles

Hmmm, I don't think it will stop a beetle from hatching as all the air isn't removed and there is plenty for a little bug to survive for a while. It would stop the spread for sure but I would rather just freeze my sticks for a short time and be done with it.

It would be good for transport though but have a little 5 Herf-a-dor for that.

Good topic.

[CigarNut]

I was wondering about the zero air transfer issue, maybe for cigars that has already bend resting for awhile and maybe for transport in your luggage but sure would be great to stop or kill any beetles

Hmmm, I don't think it will stop a beetle from hatching as all the air isn't removed and there is plenty for a little bug to survive for a while. It would stop the spread for sure but I would rather just freeze my sticks for a short time and be done with it.

It would be good for transport though but have a little 5 Herf-a-dor for that.

Good topic.

The vacuum sealed bag would certainly not do any harm to the beetle eggs either, so beetles could still be a problem.

Also, I would worry that the vaccum sealing process could damage the cigars. Some cigar wrappers are very fragile.

Last, I would never transport cigars in my luggage. I always use a travel humidor of some sort and always keep it with me.

Again, just my :2

[Outlaw God]

Will stored cigars in box with cellophane wrapping really get proper RH control?

[T.G]

Will stored cigars in box with cellophane wrapping really get proper RH control?

Yes.

[Outlaw God]

Yes.

How dose humidity penetrate properly

[CamoFlogged]

Cellophane is porous so allows both air and moisture to pass through.

[awsmith4]

From what I understand the cellophane is porous and not completely sealed; therefore allowing the cigars to acculmate to their surrounding rH

[T.G]

How dose humidity penetrate properly
Both wood and cello are porous.

[CigarNut]

FYI, cellophane is not plastic; it is a thin, transparent sheet made of regenerated cellulose. Cellulose from wood, cotton, hemp or other sources is dissolved and then extruded into cellulose.

[Outlaw God]

FYI, cellophane is not plastic; it is a thin, transparent sheet made of regenerated cellulose. Cellulose from wood, cotton, hemp or other sources is dissolved and then extruded into cellulose.

So why I see full boxes in large humidors seasoning happily, thanks all!

[Outlaw God]

In the book "The Ultimate Cigar Book" by Richard Hacker on page 80

As cello will considerably slow down and even halt the otherwise continuous aging process.
Personally I prefer uncellophane cigars and make it a practice to remove the cellophane from every cigar the instant I get the box home

Seems very much right to me

[AdamJoshua]

There is also the fact it protects your cigars over many years, I'm sorry but there are some aged cigars in cello that are pure **** and the fact that they are in perfect condition after 30 or 40 or even 50 yrs is yet another reason to leave them in the cello. There are some Davis in another thread in cello that are :dr

[Lockspur]

There is also the fact it protects your cigars over many years, I'm sorry but there are some aged cigars in cello that are pure **** and the fact that they are in perfect condition after 30 or 40 or even 50 yrs is yet another reason to leave them in the cello. There are some Davis in another thread in cello that are :dr

Cello saves sticks. In more ways than one.

[Gabe215]

Here's a question, AF Anejos are my fav NC and have been smoking a LOT of them lately I've had 5 recently out of a box from '11 and 2 of them were tar monsters!! The other 3 have smoked beautifully. What is the deal with that? Is it weather? RH outside? Bum sticks(doubt it they smoked fine just ridiculous amounts of tar oozing out) wasnt a one cut and solved the problem, after my third cut i had to chuck it! Any one with knowledge on this matter would be greatly appreciated thanks!!

[AdamJoshua]

Well could be from different things, do you use a punch or a V or straight cut. I looked this up once and it's hard to actually find info (at least I didn't), I did find this that someone printed from a manufacturer who contacted a factory.

“This grotesque syrup is somewhat of an enigma. We assume that it is sap left inside the stem of the leaf which doesn’t evaporate during fermentation. It is extremely rare, but by far one of the most pungent and foul substances of the world. It has been my experience that cutting below the ooze usually ends the matter.”

[T.G]

In the book "The Ultimate Cigar Book" by Richard Hacker on page 80



Seems very much right to me


Do what you want. They're your cigars.

BTW, who the frack is this Dick Hacker guy and where is the research to support his assertions? While we're at it, what are his qualifications? Ohh, he has book with "ultimate" in the title, sounds impressive.

I think I'm going to write a book called "The Uber Cigar Book".

[Outlaw God]

Do what you want. They're your cigars.

BTW, who the frack is this Dick Hacker guy and what are his qualifications? Ohh, he has book with "ultimate" in the title, sounds impressive.

I think I'm going to write a book called "The Uber Cigar Book".

Judging a man by his name and title of his book is foolish considering his been all over the world to about every manufacture and rolling facility before writing his book and years of experience, and you? consider reading it first before having a knee jerk judgment

[T.G]

Judging a man by his name and title of his book is foolish considering his been all over the world to about every manufacture and rolling facility before writing his book and years of experience, and you? consider reading it first before having a knee jerk judgment

It's not a knee-jerk judgement, it's sardonically pointing out that he presents no quantifiable facts or evidence to support his statements of opinion, which he touts as fact.

Sorry this all went over your head.

[Outlaw God]

It's not a knee-jerk judgement, it's sardonically pointing out that he presents no quantifiable facts or evidence to support his statements of opinion, which he touts as fact.

Sorry this all went over your head.

ignore list?

[mahtofire14]

:po

[icehog3]

Being that cello is porous, I disagree with Mr. Hacker's assertion. And I disagree even more through my own experience with celloed cigars, I have smoked cigars that were decades old and kept in cello, and they aged wonderfully....the aging process was not halted. :2

[Outlaw God]

Being that cello is porous, I disagree with Mr. Hacker's assertion. And I disagree even more through my own experience with celloed cigars, I have smoked cigars that were decades old and kept in cello, and they aged wonderfully....the aging process was not halted. :2

I also think whats important is not to take the quote of 2 small paragraphs of a 200 plus page book as the final judgement of someones entire experience and knowledge ether :2

[icehog3]

I also think whats important is not to take the quote of 2 small paragraphs of a 200 plus page book as the final judgement of someones entire experience and knowledge ether :2

I didn't make any judgement of Mr. Hacker's experience or knowledge, I just say I disagree with the quote you posted. Guy might have forgotten more than I know about cigars for all I know, but I thnk he's wrong about cello halting the aging of cigars, based on my knowledge and experience.

[Adriftpanda]

http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt346/hnguyen14/384F9A3B-5B3D-46F4-A9B3-2AC9B7422645-8259-00000448677FA895_zps82a2f79b.jpg

This guy is never wrong!

[Porch Dweller]

Cello saves sticks. In more ways than one.

+1. Back when I was starting, I used to remove the cigars from the cello as they looked so much better in the humi "naked". Then I damaged the foot on a few of them while moving things around. Since then, I keep the cello on.

[markem]

There is nothing wrong with aging in cello. It is porous and will allow air/humidity exchange. Cello also protects wrappers.

Some sealed plastic bags are also used for aging. If the cigars are at the right RH when sealed, they stay about at that RH while sealed. You do have to open the bags and reseal once in a while because air exchange is important, at least according to many experts.

Boxes and cabs inside humidors and coolers allow for air/RH exchange because the boxes and cabs are porous.

Interestingly, cigars stored in a singles drawer (or open containers) seem to often suffer from having one side with more humidity than the other and can often lead to what many call "canoeing" when smoked.

Finally, tossing out a random quote from someone who wrote a book without providing any information about why the quote should be considered worthy will pretty much always generate sardonic responses for both the quote and the person who thought that tossing out a random quote would somehow convince the world and/or give them cred.

The person who wrote this "ultimate" guide has it all wrong on cello as pretty much all experts and collectors with deep experience will tell you. Actually aging in cello (as many, many here have done) simply proves him wrong. Is there another random quote from the book that explains why his opinion is the correct one in the face of so much evidence to the contrary?

Aging in or out of cello is a preference, not a "do" or "do not" as is aging in a box or a bag or a finely controlled walk in humidor costing tens of thousands of dollars. Ask polite questions, try not to start arguments until you get real experience, and then do what you want provided it gives you the results that you are looking for.

[Outlaw God]

http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt346/hnguyen14/384F9A3B-5B3D-46F4-A9B3-2AC9B7422645-8259-00000448677FA895_zps82a2f79b.jpg

This guy is never wrong!

Your judging a person by what they look like?

People that criticize always think there right because there not doing anything

Laughably

[pnoon]

I think it's time to put the shovel down.
:2

[dijit]

There is nothing wrong with aging in cello. It is porous and will allow air/humidity exchange. Cello also protects wrappers.

Some sealed plastic bags are also used for aging. If the cigars are at the right RH when sealed, they stay about at that RH while sealed. You do have to open the bags and reseal once in a while because air exchange is important, at least according to many experts.

Boxes and cabs inside humidors and coolers allow for air/RH exchange because the boxes and cabs are porous.

Interestingly, cigars stored in a singles drawer (or open containers) seem to often suffer from having one side with more humidity than the other and can often lead to what many call "canoeing" when smoked.

Finally, tossing out a random quote from someone who wrote a book without providing any information about why the quote should be considered worthy will pretty much always generate sardonic responses for both the quote and the person who thought that tossing out a random quote would somehow convince the world and/or give them cred.

The person who wrote this "ultimate" guide has it all wrong on cello as pretty much all experts and collectors with deep experience will tell you. Actually aging in cello (as many, many here have done) simply proves him wrong. Is there another random quote from the book that explains why his opinion is the correct one in the face of so much evidence to the contrary?

Aging in or out of cello is a preference, not a "do" or "do not" as is aging in a box or a bag or a finely controlled walk in humidor costing tens of thousands of dollars. Ask polite questions, try not to start arguments until you get real experience, and then do what you want provided it gives you the results that you are looking for.

I think the one thing most have missed on the quote in question. The author said it is his preference. Actually I think it was more like "as I prefer." I havent had the luxury of travelling to any manufacturers but have spoken with a couple of brand owners who both said they prefer to age unwrapped but aging in celo is fine also its just a matter of preference. They both also mentioned that the celo is more a protectant than anything else and that wrapped or not wrapped we all should rotate our stock at least once a month to make sure they stay balanced instead of one side too moist creating "canoeing" I think it was called.

I think I agree with the majority here that there is a lot of evidence to show aging in celo is just fine.

[CigarNut]

I think the one thing most have missed on the quote in question. The author said it is his preference. Actually I think it was more like "as I prefer." I havent had the luxury of travelling to any manufacturers but have spoken with a couple of brand owners who both said they prefer to age unwrapped but aging in celo is fine also its just a matter of preference. They both also mentioned that the celo is more a protectant than anything else and that wrapped or not wrapped we all should rotate our stock at least once a month to make sure they stay balanced instead of one side too moist creating "canoeing" I think it was called.

I think I agree with the majority here that there is a lot of evidence to show aging in celo is just fine.

I think most people are disagreeing with the author's statement:
As cello will considerably slow down and even halt the otherwise continuous aging process.

This quote may have been taken out of context, but the way the OP posted it, the statement is clearly in conflict with the experience of many people. The statement was posted as fact, when clearly it is not fact. It is the author's opinion and should have been posted as such, not as a fact.

[T.G]

I think the one thing most have missed on the quote in question. The author said it is his preference.


Sorry, but no. His assertion was touted as fact.
"As cello will considerably slow down and even halt the otherwise continuous aging process."

Then he went on to give his preference, to which everyone (except the person who posted it, who seems to think we should all bow to the author) has agreed "do what you want."

[dijit]

Sorry, but no. His assertion was touted as fact.
"As cello will considerably slow down and even halt the otherwise continuous aging process."

Then he went on to give his preference, to which everyone (except the person who posted it, who seems to think we should all bow to the author) has agreed "do what you want."

Sorry guess I missed the punctuation in his statement. Never heard of the ultimate author before and I read almost everything I can find about cigars to help with mine. Before today I had always read and heard it was a matter or preference.

[Blueface]

I bet the author will likely say you can't keep cigars fresh in an end table of your bedroom set. Bet he says you need a humidor.
Someone would then need to tell that to my dad, who for many years in Cuba kept them in a night table, with no seals, no cedar, with nothing more than a remikin with a wet sea sponge, no different than the rest of fellow Cubans did.
Does that make the author right because he has traveled the world?

Point of this analogy is it is an opinion and in the opinion of many, aging in cello is fine and works for them. We shouldn't be Jim Jones followers and drink the Kool Ade 'cause he said so.

:2

[dijit]

I bet the author will likely say you can't keep cigars fresh in an end table of your bedroom set. Bet he says you need a humidor.
Someone would then need to tell that to my dad, who for many years in Cuba kept them in a night table, with no seals, no cedar, with nothing more than a remikin with a wet sea sponge, no different than the rest of fellow Cubans did.
Does that make the author right because he has traveled the world?

Point of this analogy is it is an opinion and in the opinion of many, aging in cello is fine and works for them. We shouldn't be Jim Jones followers and drink the Kool Ade 'cause he said so.

:2

especially if it isnt sugar sweetened kool ade

[icehog3]

Your judging a person by what they look like?

People that criticize always think there right because there not doing anything

Laughably

I understand you not liking Hacker being attacked for his looks, you're right, it has no bearing on anything. But I notice you haven't addressed the belief by many experienced people here that Hacker's assertion that cello "halts the aging process" is complete nonsense. I would be more interested in your thoughts on that.

[Outlaw God]

I understand you not liking Hacker being attacked for his looks, you're right, it has no bearing on anything. But I notice you haven't addressed the belief by many experienced people here that Hacker's assertion that cello "halts the aging process" is complete nonsense. I would be more interested in your thoughts on that.

Thanks for your patience's
In the photo below are some of my Cain cigars that are 4 years old note the plume on the unwrapped ones where plume is an indication of richer aging

For me a cellophane wrapped cigar is more protected but in this dramatic 4 year aging photo it dose to me show that unwrapped cigars do age faster (and it's NOT mold)

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8037

[AdamJoshua]

Wow In that case, I have some old cheese in the back of my fridge that has plume all over it in my fridge!

[pnoon]

Thanks for your patience's
In the photo below are some of my Cain cigars that are 4 years old note the plume on the unwrapped ones where plume is an indication of richer aging

For me a cellophane wrapped cigar is more protected but in this dramatic 4 year aging photo it dose to me show that unwrapped cigars do age faster (and it's NOT mold)

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8037

"plume is an indication of richer aging"

On what do you base that assertion?

To the best of my knowledge (I'm no Dick Hacker), plume is just an indication that the cigars were well stored.

And I'm not seeing any picture in your post.

[T.G]

Thanks for your patience's
In the photo below are some of my Cain cigars that are 4 years old note the plume on the unwrapped ones where plume is an indication of richer aging

For me a cellophane wrapped cigar is more protected but in this dramatic 4 year aging photo it dose to me show that unwrapped cigars do age faster (and it's NOT mold)

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8037


That's mold, not plume. Mold forms in spots (colonies) which can be clearly seen in this photo, plume is a very fine crystalline dusting that will evenly coat the cigar.

Plume is pretty random really. Sometimes it forms, sometimes it doesn't. I've seen it form on cigars within 6-8 months (without removing the cello), and seen 15-20 year old cigars that never develop it. Has more to do with the capa leaf than anything else, if it were actually about "richer aging", every cigar in the humidor with the Cu-Avana maduros that plumed in 6-8 months would have also developed plume.

[CamoFlogged]

Gotta agree with the mold crowd here. Plume is the cigar oils crystalizing which can cause a haze on the cigar. This depends on many factors in the leaf and it won't affect all cigars. It won't be furry and not bunched up in my experience. From your photos, only circular areas of your cigar have enough oil to rise to the surface and crystalize? Now that just doesn't make sense does it?

[CigarNut]

Thanks for your patience's
In the photo below are some of my Cain cigars that are 4 years old note the plume on the unwrapped ones where plume is an indication of richer aging

For me a cellophane wrapped cigar is more protected but in this dramatic 4 year aging photo it dose to me show that unwrapped cigars do age faster (and it's NOT mold)

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8037

Sorry Daniel, that is most definitely mold...

[pektel]

Oh geez... another plume vs. mold argument. These always end well. :rolleyes:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t228/pektel/plume-mold.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/pektel/media/plume-mold.jpg.html)

[Blueface]

Yup, clear mold.
Just go ahead and wipe them down.
Not much different than what happens at times in tubos.

[Outlaw God]

I'm starting to realize the good old boy click here and hurt people hurt others with judgmental criticism, no need to waste my time with despairing old men

So one more for the flaming pinhole view of life crowd
4 year old Gurkhas with out wrapper and aged plume

Definition: Plume or bloom is a fine white powder or dust which forms on cigars when oils exude from the tobacco as a result of aging. Plume is a good sign that a cigar has been properly aged, and it can easily be brushed off.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8039

[Blueface]

Well alrighty then.
Shovel used.
Fuel thrown.
Match lit.

[CigarNut]

I'm starting to realize the good old boy click here and hurt people hurt others with judgmental criticism, no need to waste my time with despairing old men

So one more for the flaming pinhole view of life crowd
4 year old Gurkhas with out wrapper and aged plume

Definition: Plume or bloom is a fine white powder or dust which forms on cigars when oils exude from the tobacco as a result of aging. Plume is a good sign that a cigar has been properly aged, and it can easily be brushed off.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8039

Except that the picture above is showing mold. You can flame all you want at the CA Family Members, but that won't change the facts....

[Porch Dweller]

Yep, mold.

[pnoon]

I'm starting to realize the good old boy click here and hurt people hurt others with judgmental criticism, no need to waste my time with despairing old men

So one more for the flaming pinhole view of life crowd
4 year old Gurkhas with out wrapper and aged plume

Definition: Plume or bloom is a fine white powder or dust which forms on cigars when oils exude from the tobacco as a result of aging. Plume is a good sign that a cigar has been properly aged, and it can easily be brushed off.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8039

So, if people disagree with your opinions and provide factual evidence to back it up, you now resort to name calling and insults? Are you so closed minded to that you cannot possibly admit that you may be wrong? Or should all here cast aside their knowledge and experience and genuflect before you?

Your quote only validates what I posted. That plume indicates cigars have been properly aged/stored. Plume does not add any flavor or richness to the cigar.

And, honestly, if you absolutely insist that the pictures you provided are not mold, then no amount of civil discourse will help you. I would be willing to bet that even your idol, Richard Hacker, would inform you it's mold. Here's an idea, post the picture and question to another half-dozen cigar communities and see what they have to say.

[Blueface]

BTW, if we want to split hairs and say plume is proper aging, let's knock ourselves out but "proper" truly has nothing to do with it. It has to do with oils in the wrapper and the moisture it had when rolled/boxed.
So, if if that is considered proper aging when it is a natural process for cigars rolled and packaged in this manner, then yeah, they are aging properly when there is plume or, they are just doing what they were going to do anyway, if properly humidified, and kept stored long term.

Mold, is mold, is mold, generally from over humidification.

Old farts generally do know a few things or two. It's the failure of young ones to tap that knowledge and attempt to reinvent the wheel that is truly sad.

[CamoFlogged]

Also moldy cigars....oils do not just spring out of a single spot and crystalize into a white puff my friend.

BTW, mold can also be easily brushed off and leave no marks on the wrapper.

[dijit]

Also moldy cigars....oils do not just spring out of a single spot and crystalize into a white puff my friend.

BTW, mold can also be easily brushed off and leave no marks on the wrapper.

I agree those sticks are moldy. My experience has been plume seems to materialize more evenly not in one spot. Yes both mold or plume can be brushed off with out marking the wrapper unless the mold is really in an advanced stage. The flavor the sinus drip the light headed nausea are very good indicators as well that it is most likely mold.

One more thing not all of us are old farts! Hell I'm not over 50 yet.

[montecristo#2]

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=986&pictureid=8039

I know everyone is saying the same thing, but take a look at the cigar on the right. If it was plume, it would not be on the lower band as well, it would just be on the cigar.

That is definitely mold if it is growing on the band. Just brush it off, you should be fine. I would also check your humidity just to be safe.

I have received plenty of boxes that look worse than that. And once you brush them off, if your humidity is fine, it shouldn't come back.

[CamoFlogged]

I know everyone is saying the same thing, but take a look at the cigar on the right. If it was plume, it would not be on the lower band as well, it would just be on the cigar.

That is definitely mold if it is growing on the band. Just brush it off, you should be fine. I would also check your humidity just to be safe.

I have received plenty of boxes that look worse than that. And once you brush them off, if your humidity is fine, it shouldn't come back.

Good point, plume won't be on the band but mold will actually grow on the paper. Good catch.

[markem]

cigar.com has a nice post with pictures about the difference between mold and plume. There are pics, but also a very good description.

http://www.cigar.com/cs/forums/630996/ShowThread.aspx

[Blueface]

cigar.com has a nice post with pictures about the difference between mold and plume. There are pics, but also a very good description.

http://www.cigar.com/cs/forums/630996/ShowThread.aspx

Mark,
Awesome article and photos right on point with the overwhelming consensus expressed on this thread.
Awesome post!

[CigarNut]

cigar.com has a nice post with pictures about the difference between mold and plume. There are pics, but also a very good description.

http://www.cigar.com/cs/forums/630996/ShowThread.aspx

Mark,
Awesome article and photos right on point with the overwhelming consensus expressed on this thread.
Awesome post!

I have to agree -- that is a great reference! Thanks for taking the time to find and share it.

[icehog3]

Thanks for your patience's
In the photo below are some of my Cain cigars that are 4 years old note the plume on the unwrapped ones where plume is an indication of richer aging

For me a cellophane wrapped cigar is more protected but in this dramatic 4 year aging photo it dose to me show that unwrapped cigars do age faster (and it's NOT mold)



First off, as many have pointed out, that is mold on the Cains. Not because we are a good-old-boy clique or enjoy being disagreeable...but because it's a fact.

And if it were plume, you make the jump that this one case vaildates Hacker's erred hypothesis across the board. I had a nickel with Jefferson on both sides once, so I might assert that all nickels have two Jeffersons. I would be wrong.

[Gabe215]

Damn, was never worried before but now I am a little, I have some cigars that have spotted white on them, that does wipe off with a wipe o the finger. I have other cigars in that same humidor that have been in there longer that do not have anything on them. My digital hydrometer says my sticks stay between 63-73 depending on the season. Am I ok?

[CigarNut]

You can wipe the mold off any way you feel comfortable with: finger, soft cloth, etc.

[Weelok]

I have to confess to being confused on the mold and plume analysis myself. Mold that is blue is only mold. White stuff is a bit more tricky. Plume is supposed to be crystals that appear on the wrapper and are basically sugar. White pockets can be mineral growths and are hard and stalky and tend to be all round splotches but furry white stuff is at best not right. As the article below will state wipe off white stuff and hope it doesn't return. Even if its not mold it tastes odd.

http://www.cigarjournal.co/index.php/us/back-issues/271-ausgabe201001

I recommend this article. My two cents.

[Mattso3000]

I've seen actual plume a few times...fwiw, I tend to dig through the cigars with plume to the second level. All it shows is proper storage, it doesn't make the cigar taste any better.

To me it kind of looks like when I get a little too friendly at the strip club...the cigars have a glitter-like shimmer over the entire wrapper where the oils have come to the surface and crystallized.

Found a good pic:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk309/kuzi16/mold%20or%20plume/plume2_zps3b3b3782.jpg

[mk05]

NOOOO Outlaw God, don't listen to these trollers and haters! You are correct! You keep doing you baby.

Cello OFF! YOU GOT PLUME! Gurkha 4 life!

The icehog has never had the opportunity to experience the indelible flavors that is the Gurkha...whatever that is you got there.

And Huy posted the picture of Mandy Patinkin from the show Homeland. I don't think that's the author...unless that's his pseudonym. In which case, I believe him, just look how full that beard is!

PS - did you guys know that Mandy Patinkin was Inigo Montoya from Princess Bride? Life changing news, I know.

[mk05]

I know everyone is saying the same thing, but take a look at the cigar on the right. If it was plume, it would not be on the lower band as well, it would just be on the cigar.

That is definitely mold if it is growing on the band.

Don't listen to him Outlaw God. He is WRONG.

The powder is indeed plume. Plume not from tobacco mind you, but from the solidifying flavorings and additives that were applied on the Gurkha tobacco to deliver its incredible flavors. We need to educate these folks. Do you have more pictures of other cigars?

[bonjing]

Serious question, what happens to you if you smoke a cigar covered in mold?

[Weelok]

Good question and I've seen it discussed before but not by what I would perceive as experts and that would require someone study it and it's hard enough to find anyone studying cigars as it is. My thoughts are it's not a problem unless you have an allergy to the mold. Basically, mold is mold. Your not eating it, your burning it. While it may taste and smell horrible, by the very nature of you burning it your not inhaling the spores but you can guarantee some spore excitation so your going to inhale some hence the allergy component.

People live around and eat mold all the time and it basically comes down to whether or not your allergic to that particular mold. Most cigar mold will be on the level of a food type of mold or your typical black varieties. As CigarJournal noted though, what people typically call mold is often just mineral particulates but if left unattended, i.e. you love white spotty ploom and cheer it along to grow, then mold will grow on the particulates and at that point, you've got a mess. Your best bet is to wipe off all that surface junk, clip the foots if you see it plooming out of the foot etc. I've smoked Grayclifs that were starting to grow stuff out of the foot and I just clipped them back and lit it up. I've got allergies that make grown men tremble and I didn't have any problems.

I'll be damned if I'm surrendering a cigar to whatever crap that wants to take it from me. I'll plug beetle holes, wipe my cigars and purge it with fire and a smile.

[pnoon]

NOOOO Outlaw God, don't listen to these trollers and haters! You are correct! You keep doing you baby.

Cello OFF! YOU GOT PLUME! Gurkha 4 life!

The icehog has never had the opportunity to experience the indelible flavors that is the Gurkha...whatever that is you got there.

And Huy posted the picture of Mandy Patinkin from the show Homeland. I don't think that's the author...unless that's his pseudonym. In which case, I believe him, just look how full that beard is!

PS - did you guys know that Mandy Patinkin was Inigo Montoya from Princess Bride? Life changing news, I know.

Don't listen to him Outlaw God. He is WRONG.

The powder is indeed plume. Plume not from tobacco mind you, but from the solidifying flavorings and additives that were applied on the Gurkha tobacco to deliver its incredible flavors. We need to educate these folks. Do you have more pictures of other cigars?

If you've got something pertinent to say, say it.
If you're just stirring the pot, I advise you to stop.

[kydsid]

Good question and I've seen it discussed before but not by what I would perceive as experts and that would require someone study it and it's hard enough to find anyone studying cigars as it is. My thoughts are it's not a problem unless you have an allergy to the mold. Basically, mold is mold. Your not eating it, your burning it. While it may taste and smell horrible, by the very nature of you burning it your not inhaling the spores but you can guarantee some spore excitation so your going to inhale some hence the allergy component.

People live around and eat mold all the time and it basically comes down to whether or not your allergic to that particular mold. Most cigar mold will be on the level of a food type of mold or your typical black varieties. As CigarJournal noted though, what people typically call mold is often just mineral particulates but if left unattended, i.e. you love white spotty ploom and cheer it along to grow, then mold will grow on the particulates and at that point, you've got a mess. Your best bet is to wipe off all that surface junk, clip the foots if you see it plooming out of the foot etc. I've smoked Grayclifs that were starting to grow stuff out of the foot and I just clipped them back and lit it up. I've got allergies that make grown men tremble and I didn't have any problems.

I'll be damned if I'm surrendering a cigar to whatever crap that wants to take it from me. I'll plug beetle holes, wipe my cigars and purge it with fire and a smile.

Could be true. However why willingly inhale extra mold that may or may not cause a problem. Since it is so easy to prevent the act of smoking a cigar with mold why bother asking if it would be a problem in the first place. Brush it off and/or wipe the cigar down with vodka if you are really paranoid. :tu

[bonjing]

Just playing both sides of the coin, Jason. If a person truly believes that he has plume vs mold and insists on smoking said cigar, I was just wondering if there would be any downsides to it.

[kydsid]

Well I can understand that. I'd have to it would depend on a lot of variables. We all know black mold causes issues but others do not.

[bobarian]

Just playing both sides of the coin, Jason. If a person truly believes that he has plume vs mold and insists on smoking said cigar, I was just wondering if there would be any downsides to it.

Greg, there is also really no upside. I've only smoked a few sticks with actual plume(bloom) and have not noticed anything special that would have me seeking them out. While it does add to the aesthetic I have not seen any review that can point to special flavors added by the plume. :2

[cjhalbrooks]

So a question for you guys, I know your going to say get rid of the humidifier. But, have any of you guys had a crystal humidifier drip on cigars. Now here is the catch this humidifier has not been filled in a few weeks (not needed). My humi level is at 68%, my humidor is in a warmer room in my house. The temp of the room is around 80ish. The humidifier is was in the lid, sense this happened it has been moved. Non of my cigars where damp, just one cellophane wrapper was wet. What could this be. I am thinking think that the humidifier produced condensation. Which i did not know this could happen. I will change out to gel but i am just wondering what could have caused this.

[hudd]

I'm new at these "codes" so what are n/c cigars?

[Mattso3000]

Non- cuban

[hudd]

Non- cuban

Otay! Thanks

[AdamJoshua]

I'm new at these "codes" so what are n/c cigars?

Right in this very section about 11 or so lines below this is

Sticky: What does all that mean? Cigar Terms and Acronyms (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2190)

[CigarNut]

So a question for you guys, I know your going to say get rid of the humidifier. But, have any of you guys had a crystal humidifier drip on cigars. Now here is the catch this humidifier has not been filled in a few weeks (not needed). My humi level is at 68%, my humidor is in a warmer room in my house. The temp of the room is around 80ish. The humidifier is was in the lid, sense this happened it has been moved. Non of my cigars where damp, just one cellophane wrapper was wet. What could this be. I am thinking think that the humidifier produced condensation. Which i did not know this could happen. I will change out to gel but i am just wondering what could have caused this.

Moisture of any kind dripping on your cigars is not a good thing. And, since cellophane is porous it will not protect your cigars in any way against water damage.

Further, switching over to gel will not solve the problem. If your humidifier is dripping then your humidor is likely too humid.

I would recommend beads (any beads) over a crystal humidifier or gel. Just my :2...

[mk05]

Personally, I do not have a large cabinet humidor or a walk in. I have a closet and the overflow goes into the guestroom.

The method I use is rather simple. I have a large thermodynamic fridge that can fit about 50 boxes of cigars. This fridge carries boxes I want to acclimate to my desired climate, which is 68/70. Some boxes I keep in there to smoke and to age in that humidor. But for 99% of my boxes, I vacuum pack them or wrap them, and store them at the acclimated temperature and preferred relative humidity.

Using pv=nrt, due to my pressure and temperature being constant, my humidity is held at my preferred setting. I keep a couple hygrometers in some vped bags to see, and have been very successful. Generally, I do 2-3 boxes a bag, so that any significant temperature will be absorbed and spread across the volume.

This allows me to skip the whole institution of freezing (and as unintended consequence minimizes risk of beetles), which creates intracellular ice formations which destroys essential oils (think freezer burns) - because the delta of temperature is too rapid in non commercial freezers.

[CamoFlogged]

Personally, I do not have a large cabinet humidor or a walk in. I have a closet and the overflow goes into the guestroom.

The method I use is rather simple. I have a large thermodynamic fridge that can fit about 50 boxes of cigars. This fridge carries boxes I want to acclimate to my desired climate, which is 68/70. Some boxes I keep in there to smoke and to age in that humidor. But for 99% of my boxes, I vacuum pack them or wrap them, and store them at the acclimated temperature and preferred relative humidity.

Using pv=nrt, due to my pressure and temperature being constant, my humidity is held at my preferred setting. I keep a couple hygrometers in some vped bags to see, and have been very successful. Generally, I do 2-3 boxes a bag, so that any significant temperature will be absorbed and spread across the volume.

This allows me to skip the whole institution of freezing (and as unintended consequence minimizes risk of beetles), which creates intracellular ice formations which destroys essential oils (think freezer burns) - because the delta of temperature is too rapid in non commercial freezers.

Hey Marc. Couple of questions on your setup. Interesting stuff.

Do vacuum packed cigars age the same since there is basically no air or RH movement? What does putting them in a controlled RH environment even do since they are basically airtight?

Also, you have any links that test this intercellular ice formations and how this affects the cigar flavor? Would like to dig deeper into that. Never heard of a person being able to tell if a cigar was frozen prior.

Thanks.

[montecristo#2]

You guys should probably start a new thread. I am pretty sure most beginners are not worried about theories on long term aging and storage.

Just my 2 cents.

[pnoon]

You guys should probably start a new thread. I am pretty sure most beginners are not worried about theories on long term aging and storage.

Just my 2 cents.

:tpd:
This thread is for Q & A - not for discussion. A new thread is a good idea.
Besides, I'm no sure what question Marc's post (#2194) answers.

[Porch Dweller]

And, honestly, if you absolutely insist that the pictures you provided are not mold, then no amount of civil discourse will help you. I would be willing to bet that even your idol, Richard Hacker, would inform you it's mold. Here's an idea, post the picture and question to another half-dozen cigar communities and see what they have to say.

Outlaw God, I don't know if you're still reading this thread or not but this is good advice. There's no good ol' boy network here that's out to get you, there are simply people that are telling you the truth...some, rather bluntly. :) I think you'll realize this if you take pnoon's advice and post your pictures elsewhere and ask simply "Is this plume or mold?"

[CamoFlogged]

:tpd:
This thread is for Q & A - not for discussion. A new thread is a good idea.
Besides, I'm no sure what question Marc's post (#2194) answers.


I agree with you on what question he is answering.

But I did ask questions in reference to his comments.

- Do vacuum packed cigars age the same since there is basically no air or RH movement?

- What does putting them (vacuum packed sticks) in a controlled RH environment even do since they are basically airtight?

- Also, you have any links that test this intercellular ice formations and how this affects the cigar?

I kept them together so people would have a frame of reference based on his thinking. Reading through the many threads, it seems there are times where people are building upon others questions or statements.

In any case, ;s won't happen again.

[Drphilwv]

Hmm. Bleu cigars huh.

You could scrape some of the residue off onto a slide and have a look under a microscope. If you don't have a microscope.... Well, you should get one - they're awfully fun to have esp a dissection microscope. I haven't noticed any on my cigars but if and when I do I'll make some pics (my 'scope has USB) and post them up.

Dr.Phil

[BaitFish]

Alright, I've got a question regarding Heartfelt beads.

I recently ordered a 100ct humi this past week and decided to order some Heartfelt beads to use instead of the Drymistats I've been using in my old 50ct.

I understand that having too much is not an issue and can be beneficial so I went with the extra large 65% tube (4oz). I have been reading up on how to properly charge the beads and understand that it's preferable to leave some dry to absorb excess moisture.

My question is this- would there be any benefit to fully charging the extra large tube (4oz) on the bottom of the humi and having a dry medium tube (1oz) on the top shelf to absorb excess moisture?

Am I over thinking this? Should I just charge the extra large as recommended and leave it be?

Sorry for the long post. I look forward to your responses. Thanks.

[CamoFlogged]

You are over thinking this. I have a few pounds of HF beads and HCM beads too. Just follow the directions and you will be fine. Make sure you season your humi properly and get a quality hygro, preferably a digital model as they seem to work better IMHO. Get one you can adjust, do a salt test on the hygro and you are good to go.

[BaitFish]

Thanks for the response. Lots of good advice.

This new humi will be seasoned for at least a week or until I'm satisfied it's ready. I'm in no hurry as my other humis are doing quite well on their own at the moment. I plan on consolidating into the 100ct, adding 5 or so sticks at a time. I have a digital hygrometer that is adjustable and has been calibrated using the Bovida calibration pack. I agree, digital is the way to go. It is much more accurate than the analog hygro that came with my 50ct.

I've gone from using foam to gel but this will be the first I have used the beads. From everything I have read, the beads are the way to go. I look forward to trying them.

Thanks again for the advice.

[CamoFlogged]

Both HF and HCM beads are great. Super easy with low maintenance. All my humi's and totes are rock solid on humidity.

Sounds like you are on a great path.

[BaitFish]

Sounds like you are on a great path.

Yeah, tell that to my credit cards, lol. Now if I could just stay away from the devil site....:bh

Thanks again.

[CoffeeWaterBeer]

How do you all clean the interior glass of a humidor? I would think windex on a paper towel should be fine but I'm afraid of residual scent affecting my precious goodies. Should I do a simple water vinegar solution and leave the lid open for a bit to let it air dry completely?

[CigarNut]

How do you all clean the interior glass of a humidor? I would think windex on a paper towel should be fine but I'm afraid of residual scent affecting my precious goodies. Should I do a simple water vinegar solution and leave the lid open for a bit to let it air dry completely?

That is what I do.

[CoffeeWaterBeer]

Thanks Michael, I feel better hearing this and knowing I wont muck up my sticks.

[stevef2005]

A quick question. I have been trying to find out what best type of lighter is. Good ole butane torch lighter or my handy dandy zippo. I was told Zippo as the butane lighters will "torch" the foot of the cigar but been told the fuel for zippos can actually taint the flavor of the cigar. Any opinions or insights into this or is this like the celo argument, just a personnel preference.

[pnoon]

A quick question. I have been trying to find out what best type of lighter is. Good ole butane torch lighter or my handy dandy zippo. I was told Zippo as the butane lighters will "torch" the foot of the cigar but been told the fuel for zippos can actually taint the flavor of the cigar. Any opinions or insights into this or is this like the celo argument, just a personnel preference.

Just a personal preference.

[Gabe215]

Ronson Jet Lite, $4, sleek metal look, $4, last forever, if you loose it buy another, $4, available EVERYWHERE CVS wallmart ect, works just as good as a SJ Dupont lighter!

[yourchoice]

A quick question. I have been trying to find out what best type of lighter is. Good ole butane torch lighter or my handy dandy zippo. I was told Zippo as the butane lighters will "torch" the foot of the cigar but been told the fuel for zippos can actually taint the flavor of the cigar. Any opinions or insights into this or is this like the celo argument, just a personnel preference.

I often use a soft flame, but when I do, it's still butane. A cheap Bic lighter is a good example. I also have a Colibri soft flame I like a lot. Personally, I don't like a Zippo because of the odor/flavor it "adds".:2

[Blinky]

ok guys, so I've been reading through this whole forum, I'm on page 80 but here's my question. I just got my new humidor in today (upgrading from a 50 ct to 100) Right now I have a shot glass of distilled in there with my humidification device. Has anyone tried the Humi-care Black ice? http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidification/70651/humi-care-black-ice-humidification/

I want to make sure it's going to put out and also absorb moisture.

I also got the hydro-set hygrometer, it's sitting in a broveda (SP?) calibration bag and the 60 cigars that came in today are sitting in their cello in a tupperware with a shot glass of distilled.
am I missing any steps? I don't have the space to freeze these but I may do it in my tenants freezer after I read the instruction thread a bit more carefully.

[big_jaygee]

ok guys, so I've been reading through this whole forum, I'm on page 80 but here's my question. I just got my new humidor in today (upgrading from a 50 ct to 100) Right now I have a shot glass of distilled in there with my humidification device. Has anyone tried the Humi-care Black ice? http://www.cigarsinternational.com/humidification/70651/humi-care-black-ice-humidification/

I want to make sure it's going to put out and also absorb moisture.

I also got the hydro-set hygrometer, it's sitting in a broveda (SP?) calibration bag and the 60 cigars that came in today are sitting in their cello in a tupperware with a shot glass of distilled.
am I missing any steps? I don't have the space to freeze these but I may do it in my tenants freezer after I read the instruction thread a bit more carefully.

as for humidification i am using this

hcm beads (http://cigarbeads.com/default.aspx)

havent had a problem with humidity since i put these in my wineador and i will never use anything else :2

take the shot glass out of the tupperware of cigars, there is no way to regulate the humidity it is giving off leaving you with over moist/wet cigars. the cigars will be fine while you are seasoning your humidor, or you can hit the b&m up for a boveda pack while you are waiting.

[Remo]

as for humidification i am using this

hcm beads (http://cigarbeads.com/default.aspx)

havent had a problem with humidity since i put these in my wineador and i will never use anything else :2

take the shot glass out of the tupperware of cigars, there is no way to regulate the humidity it is giving off leaving you with over moist/wet cigars. the cigars will be fine while you are seasoning your humidor, or you can hit the b&m up for a boveda pack while you are waiting.

Do you need humidification in Houston? :sh

[big_jaygee]

Do you need humidification in Houston? :sh

I have to keep the humidity down at 65 where I like it and the beads keep it there

[Remo]

I have to keep the humidity down at 65 where I like it and the beads keep it there

:tu

[kydsid]

Do you need humidification in Houston? :sh

Houston, I dunno, down on the coast I don't. I can't remember the last time I looked at my beads.

[Blinky]

So Guys I just read all 111 pages and I want to say thank you for all the great info. I'm sure I'll be back to ask a question. Going to try to jump into a same trade this week.

[pnoon]

So Guys I just read all 111 pages and I want to say thank you for all the great info. I'm sure I'll be back to ask a question. Going to try to jump into a same trade this week.

A lot of good info indeed.
Here's another tidbit. The number of posts per page is a user setting. I set mine to 50 per page so for me this thread is 45 pages.

[Blinky]

A lot of good info indeed.
Here's another tidbit. The number of posts per page is a user setting. I set mine to 50 per page so for me this thread is 45 pages.

The first thing i loed for was that setting. I'll have to go look again

[pnoon]

The first thing i loed for was that setting. I'll have to go look again

User CP > Edit Options

[Mattso3000]

User CP > Edit Options

I<3 pnoon. I've been bouncing off the padded walls of this asylum for over 3 years and didn't know we could do that.

[pnoon]

I<3 pnoon. I've been bouncing off the padded walls of this asylum for over 3 years and didn't know we could do that.

:tu

Glad to have helped.

[CigarNut]

It does pay to take the time to look through all of your profile options :tu :tu

[Blinky]

So I got a cigar mechanic from cheap humidors for my 100 count. My humidor is at 70 rh right now and I want to get it down to 62-ish, but I over saturated the beads....how do I get it down?

[stevef2005]

So I got a cigar mechanic from cheap humidors for my 100 count. My humidor is at 70 rh right now and I want to get it down to 62-ish, but I over saturated the beads....how do I get it down?


Couple options. Let them sit out for a bit on counter. Will slowly release. Another option is too take blow dryer too them. I had too take a blow dryer too mine when I first saturated them.

[Blinky]

Couple options. Let them sit out for a bit on counter. Will slowly release. Another option is too take blow dryer too them. I had too take a blow dryer too mine when I first saturated them.

How long does the hair dryer take? I had it going on them for about 15 minutes. I decided to put them in an empty humidor with some older dried up cigars in hopes those will pull out some of the moisture...I also ordered another cigar mechanic just in case.

[bonjing]

Not familiar with cigar mechanic, but they look like they react like regular beads. When wet they turn clear, when dry they are white. So hit them with the blow dryer till they are white. But it still may take a few weeks if not longer to get the humidity down to where you want it.

[msgtbec1]

I have recently purchased a moist-n-air for my humidor cabinet and was wondering do I have to use distilled water or regular.

[pnoon]

I have recently purchased a moist-n-air for my humidor cabinet and was wondering do I have to use distilled water or regular.

Distilled water

[alfredo_buscatti]

Recently I got a new humidor. I believe I have properly seasoned it by putting a bowl of distilled water in it, leaving it there for 10 days. Yesterday I inserted a bead cylinder (65 rH), making the per cent of the distilled water hydrated beads 70%, after having calibrated the hygrometer. Finally I loaded a 5-pack.

I'm thinking that the rH of the humidor will be low after leaving it closed for 24 hours; that the humidification of the humidor will take a few days.

My question is at what rH of the humidor can I smoke a cigar as I'm thinking that there will be a reading that will indicate that the cigars are at a reasonable humidity. Also, I wonder in the future how long a recently purchased cigar should rest in correct humidity before I can assume it has made the humidity transition from the retail outlet and my humidor.

Thanks in advance for replies!!

[Outlaw God]

Not a beginner but what puzzles me how the same cigar from the same box can be a dog rocket and the next one a holy grail experience because I believe it's how clean or what I drank or ate before starting the cigar.

Anyway what do you do to clean your palate before starting a cigar to make sure the stick gets a fair start?

I now brush my teeth beforehand and drink water or coffee when smoking
Thanks

[kelmac07]

Anyway what do you do to clean your palate before starting a cigar to make sure the stick gets a fair start?

Best way I've found to cleanse me palate is to eat a small piece of chocolate. Usually carry a few small Hersey chocolates with me when I'm smoking to eat between sticks. :2

[Outlaw God]

Best way I've found to cleanse me palate is to eat a small piece of chocolate. Usually carry a few small Hersey chocolates with me when I'm smoking to eat between sticks. :2

Thanks Mac, I forgot about the chocolate trick, will try that one for sure

[Dude Here]

Thanks Mac, I forgot about the chocolate trick, will try that one for sure

Chocolate works great, but recently I've been finding that ginger ale works pretty well. I pour a small glass and just take a sip or two whenever I feel the palate needs to be freshened up a bit.

[DirtRider500R]

Newbie question: what does CC and NC stand for?

[AdamJoshua]

CC Cuban Cigar
NC Non-Cuban Cigar

[Dave128]

Newbie question: what does CC and NC stand for?

CC = Cuban Cigars
NC = Non-Cuban Cigars

[AdamJoshua]

HA! Bite me Mets fan!

Eli here is a thread with all the things you might come across as far as acronyms and terms.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2190&highlight=cigar+terms

[Dave128]

Bite THIS Red Sox fan!

[DirtRider500R]

I had a feeling that's what they stood for, but I wasn't entirely sure.

Thanks for the link :tu

[pnoon]

I had a feeling that's what they stood for, but I wasn't entirely sure.

Thanks for the link :tu

Sticky threads in each of the sub-forums are very helpful and informative.

[Xolotal Mungin]

I figured this would be as good a first post as any:ss

I am currently browsing cigarsinternational.com, and have my eyes on some cigars to try out for the first time. In my cart are a 5-pack or CAO MX2's and another 5-pack of Rocky Patel Fusions. Any other suggestions (top one or two for the beginner) as to which cigars would be wise in which to invest?

Also, I need a cutter and a lighter. I am set on the lighter, but am confused as to which type of cutter to get. I see more guillotines floating around than any other type, which would make it seem to me as though they are the most widely bought. Are there any issues with specific cutters regarding the condition of the cigar once cut?

Thank you in advance for the input!

I've had expensive Duponts and a flashy Zino cutter. They're both gone or not working. The cheapo plastic cutters are well.. cheap crap. However, the cuban crafters steel (guillotine) one is super cheap (like $20) sharp, and will help you judge how deep to cut. Plus it has a lifetime replacement warranty. It's not fancy looking, but def worth at try. And yes, a guillotine is most common in the US. Try it, then if you want can pick up a nice punch to hang on your key chain later. Good scissors are expensive, a pain and not good for travel, the v-cut... well not my thing, for sure.

FYI, Colibri has terrible support around their lighters. Look for something you can get repaired easily.

[bobarian]

I've had expensive Duponts and a flashy Zino cutter. They're both gone or not working. The cheapo plastic cutters are well.. cheap crap. However, the cuban crafters steel (guillotine) one is super cheap (like $20) sharp, and will help you judge how deep to cut. Plus it has a lifetime replacement warranty. It's not fancy looking, but def worth at try. And yes, a guillotine is most common in the US. Try it, then if you want can pick up a nice punch to hang on your key chain later. Good scissors are expensive, a pain and not good for travel, the v-cut... well not my thing, for sure.

FYI, Colibri has terrible support around their lighters. Look for something you can get repaired easily.

You do realize that the post you quoted is over five years old, right? :sh

[Xolotal Mungin]

Whoops, no. Hey, maybe it'll come in handy during a search...!

[wiskerbiscuit]

is it normal to feel like an ass ordering online, as opposed to purchasing at a B&M?

they're no B&M's within 100 miles of my home, but one really awesome B&M near where i work, that i try to visit when i have a chance, which ain't often.

started to make a purchase at CI the other day, and really felt like an ass for doing it.

[pnoon]

is it normal to feel like an ass ordering online, as opposed to purchasing at a B&M?

they're no B&M's within 100 miles of my home, but one really awesome B&M near where i work, that i try to visit when i have a chance, which ain't often.

started to make a purchase at CI the other day, and really felt like an ass for doing it.

Not normal.

No one should have regrets ordering online. Just continue to support your B&M

[Lockspur]

is it normal to feel like an ass ordering online, as opposed to purchasing at a B&M?

they're no B&M's within 100 miles of my home, but one really awesome B&M near where i work, that i try to visit when i have a chance, which ain't often.

started to make a purchase at CI the other day, and really felt like an ass for doing it.

I have a locker at my b&m, but their selection isn't huge. So I buy what I can from them and everything else from online. Typically I will also buy accessories (cutters, lighters, bovedas, etc) from my b&m since they make more money on those items.

[Porch Dweller]

is it normal to feel like an ass ordering online, as opposed to purchasing at a B&M?

they're no B&M's within 100 miles of my home, but one really awesome B&M near where i work, that i try to visit when i have a chance, which ain't often.

started to make a purchase at CI the other day, and really felt like an ass for doing it.

Why feel like an ass? The quality is just as good and the selection is sometimes better. I get most of my smokes online. I make about two trips a month to my B&M because I can try new things, get the scoop on upcoming events, and support a local business.