Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!)

[Lonely Raven]

FWIW, at the Drew Estates factory, there are three storage areas for completed cigars, one for all ACID products, one for all coffee based infusions, and finally, one for non-infused cigars. Each of the storage areas has sealed walls and independant ventelation so that no mingling of the aromas occurs.

Just something to think about before you mix loose Java and ACIDs in the same humidor/tupperware.

The Javas have a strong scent, I would absolutely keep them on their own, or at least divided and in their cellophane.

[ktblunden]

I'll share this experience. My wife smoked infused stuff for a while and had her own tupperware for them. As soon as you took the lid off the room would fill with fruity smells. If the scent could fill the room just by taking the lid off I have to imagine it would impart quite a bit of flavor on non-infused cigars sitting in an enclosed space together for long periods of time. Best not to chance it, especially with tupperware being as cheap as it is.

[never_enough]

I am reading through this whole thread (on page 40 right now) and am enjoying all the info.

Quick question...Why are people down on infused cigars? I have yet to try one, but will soon. Just seems like they have a bad stigma sometimes.

Sorry if this was asked in the 36 pages I have yet to read!

[Bill86]

I am reading through this whole thread (on page 40 right now) and am enjoying all the info.

Quick question...Why are people down on infused cigars? I have yet to try one, but will soon. Just seems like they have a bad stigma sometimes.

Sorry if this was asked in the 36 pages I have yet to read!

What from I've seen the construction on the Java's is VERY suspect. I've seen some VERY underfilled Java's. Boxes of them too, like 4-5 boxes with each stick being so spongy you could pinch the stick between your fingers and they would touch without damaging the wrapper.

Acids smell like a perfume shop. You need a separate humidor for them.

Many people have had some VERY nasty Acids. Mac and the Kuba Kuba Maduro come to mind. You know it's gotta be bad when Mac puts down a Maduro.

But try them if you like, to each his own. Smoke what you like.

:2

[never_enough]

I actually wanted to buy a Java to try and found the same problem with the box they had.

And I plan on trying everything that I can. Its like when I started exploring different beers. I would have missed out on some ones I really liked if I would have listened to others saying to stay away.

[Bill86]

I actually wanted to buy a Java to try and found the same problem with the box they had.

And I plan on trying everything that I can. Its like when I started exploring different beers. I would have missed out on some ones I really liked if I would have listened to others saying to stay away.

Well you certainly make a point there. I remember hearing some off putting things about certain beers. "This one tastes like a warhead, really sour" and you know what it did, sour as hell but worth trying once. I wouldn't buy it again though :D Someone told me Arrogant Bastard was impossible to finish, thankfully I was an Arrogant Bastard and finished it with ease. They were so confident they didn't even charge me for my first bomber :banger

Cigars, eh somehow very quickly I found out what I like. So I stick with that now.

But yeah the Java's are so underfilled it's not even funny. I would just do the best you can to research the infused cigars, many people claim there are a few very good ones. Just gotta look them up.

I'd smoke them at a B&M though, don't want to have to buy multiple humidors and humidifiers for cigars you might not even like.

[emopunker2004]

What from I've seen the construction on the Java's is VERY suspect. I've seen some VERY underfilled Java's. Boxes of them too, like 4-5 boxes with each stick being so spongy you could pinch the stick between your fingers and they would touch without damaging the wrapper.

Acids smell like a perfume shop. You need a separate humidor for them.

Many people have had some VERY nasty Acids. Mac and the Kuba Kuba Maduro come to mind. You know it's gotta be bad when Mac puts down a Maduro.

But try them if you like, to each his own. Smoke what you like.

:2

Bill the Tabak Especial line from DE are well constructed and the cigars I first smoked. They are coffee infused and quite good.

[never_enough]

I love drinking some arrogant bastard every now and then. Free beer? Now THAT is awesome.

My plan for the infused ones will be to just pick up a couple at a time from a store around here. Just moved 1000 miles from home so I need to find some good places first.

Everything else I am just going to buy samplers so I can try a wide range of cigars faster. No boxes for me yet.

Also, what is the more preferred lighter? single or multi flame?

[icehog3]

Also, what is the more preferred lighter? single or multi flame?

Like cigars and beers, it's a personal preference. I much prefer a single flame myself.

[T.G]

Also, what is the more preferred lighter? single or multi flame?

Whatever works best for you. Some prefer matches, some soft flames, some single flame torches, some multi-flames. In the big picture, it doesn't matter much. Find what you like and run with it.

[icehog3]

Whatever works best for you. Some prefer matches, some soft flames, some single flame torches, some multi-flames. In the big picture, it doesn't matter much. Find what you like and run with it.

Sounds mysteriously like "personal preference", Adam. :r

[never_enough]

Thanks for the answers. I'm sure I will have many more questions.

[T.G]

Sounds mysteriously like "personal preference", Adam. :r

You cut me Tom. You cut me deep.
:sad

[icehog3]

You cut me Tom. You cut me deep.
:sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0aYrwCFb3A :D

[gbum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0aYrwCFb3A :D

thanks to you i cannot stop listening this song over and over again...:sl

>>i raise u with this<< (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfw9OBxDFLk&feature=related)
-(P

[Blak Smyth]

I actually wanted to buy a Java to try and found the same problem with the box they had.

And I plan on trying everything that I can. Its like when I started exploring different beers. I would have missed out on some ones I really liked if I would have listened to others saying to stay away.

I would recommend the DE Opulence 3, it has amazing construction, burn and smoke output. I must admit the smell it puts out is captivating. While I don't smoke infused anymore, I don't mind if somebody else is smoking an O3 while I am nearbye. It is the only infused cigar I would consider smoking again. I would give pretty much any other one away to a non-smoker or female.

[emopunker2004]

I would recommend the DE Opulence 3, it has amazing construction, burn and smoke output. I must admit the smell it puts out is captivating. While I don't smoke infused anymore, I don't mind if somebody else is smoking an O3 while I am nearbye. It is the only infused cigar I would consider smoking again. I would give pretty much any other one away to a non-smoker or female.

never had one but i want to try one one of these days if i see one in a B&M

[Whee]

You cut me Tom. You cut me deep.
:sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0aYrwCFb3A :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-dr-Ao5Gmo

[never_enough]

I would recommend the DE Opulence 3, it has amazing construction, burn and smoke output. I must admit the smell it puts out is captivating. While I don't smoke infused anymore, I don't mind if somebody else is smoking an O3 while I am nearbye. It is the only infused cigar I would consider smoking again. I would give pretty much any other one away to a non-smoker or female.

Sounds great. I was just reading a review that said similar things. I will add it to my list for when I go to the store this week.:tu

[manny]

The above just about hits it on the head, however, with smoking a cigar or whatever, the length of the finish usually refers to how long the aftertaste of the tobacco and other nuances remain with you, after the smoke has ended. An example would be that, after smoking a mild cigar, such as a Gispert, the after taste may remain with you for 15, 30, maybe even 45 minutes, however, after smoking a truly full bodied cigar, such as an Opus-X, the after taste may actually be with you for several hours, and in some cases even longer![/QUOTE

After every smoke. I usually have an after taste that last for hours. Is it me or the cigar. I don't think all the cigars Ihave smoked are full bodied.

[SteelCityBoy]

I would recommend the DE Opulence 3, it has amazing construction, burn and smoke output. I must admit the smell it puts out is captivating. While I don't smoke infused anymore, I don't mind if somebody else is smoking an O3 while I am nearbye. It is the only infused cigar I would consider smoking again. I would give pretty much any other one away to a non-smoker or female.

I second this notion:tu

The Acid O3 is probably the only infused cigar I will smoke and I must admit they smell great and taste great. Try it for yourself and see what ya think! I think some of the folks on here that don't like the Acid line may even side with me on this one:2

[WittyUserName]

The above just about hits it on the head, however, with smoking a cigar or whatever, the length of the finish usually refers to how long the aftertaste of the tobacco and other nuances remain with you, after the smoke has ended. An example would be that, after smoking a mild cigar, such as a Gispert, the after taste may remain with you for 15, 30, maybe even 45 minutes, however, after smoking a truly full bodied cigar, such as an Opus-X, the after taste may actually be with you for several hours, and in some cases even longer!

After every smoke. I usually have an after taste that last for hours. Is it me or the cigar. I don't think all the cigars Ihave smoked are full bodied.

I do not think it is you. I make sure to brush my teeth and then use mouth wash.

[bobarian]

I usually just light another cigar. Voila, no aftertaste. :sh
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[CigarNut]

I usually just light another cigar. Voila, no aftertaste. :sh
Posted via Mobile DeviceBob is wise!

[Blak Smyth]

I just purchased a bundle of 20 Nic 3000s. Should I unwrap the bundle in my coolidor or can I just leave it sealed in the original packaging in my cooler?

[pnoon]

I just purchased a bundle of 20 Nic 3000s. Should I unwrap the bundle in my coolidor or can I just leave it sealed in the original packaging in my cooler?

Doesn't matter. Personal preference.

[Blak Smyth]

Doesn't matter. Personal preference.

Okay thanks, I prefer to leave it in the wrapper then.:tu
I had a few unjust concerns over analyzing again I am sure!

[never_enough]

How important is it to buy a nicer cutter? I haven't smoked a lot, but I have never had an issue with cheaper ones.

[Bill86]

If whatever cutter you are using gets the job done nice and cleanly.....not very important.

If you're tearing wrappers and cracking caps, probably much more important.

[never_enough]

Sweet. $30 more bucks towards cigars.

[emopunker2004]

If whatever cutter you are using gets the job done nice and cleanly.....not very important.

If you're tearing wrappers and cracking caps, probably much more important.

The CA drunk has spoken

[T.G]

How important is it to buy a nicer cutter? I haven't smoked a lot, but I have never had an issue with cheaper ones.


The biggest issue that I've found with some of the cheaper cutters is that the blades dull very quickly, resulting in ragged cuts, cracked or torn wrappers and in extreme cases, partially crushed cigars. Sometimes the blades spread apart from each other meaning that when you cut a cigar, you get a ridge of tobacco where the blades meet. Now, some of them don't develop these issues very quickly, while others do.

So I would say, when you feel that you want one, are sick of the cheap cutter, or you feel that you are dulling the cheap cutters and don't want to deal with them anymore.

I know people who have been smoking for over a decade and they still just buy the $1.50 cutters from CI/JR/Famous, and just have all these cheap cutters lying around everywhere.

It's all personal preference.

[never_enough]

I want to get one, but since I'm just starting out I would rather spend the money on cigars so I can find what I like. Once I start smoking on a regular basis then I will get a good one. That's my plan anyways now

[pnoon]

The CA drunk has spoken

This is not a banter thread. Let's keep it that way.

[kydsid]

How important is it to buy a nicer cutter? I haven't smoked a lot, but I have never had an issue with cheaper ones.


I'd like to add that when you do decide to spend money on a good cutter ONLY buy one with a lifetime warranty.

[gbum]

I'd like to add that when you do decide to spend money on a good cutter ONLY buy one with a lifetime warranty.

should change it to expensive... then make sense:D

[manny]

Should you/Can you dip the butt of your cigar into your drink, ie Cuban coffee , whyskey etc. I enjoy doing it with a nice cafecito .

[kydsid]

Should you/Can you dip the butt of your cigar into your drink, ie Cuban coffee , whyskey etc. I enjoy doing it with a nice cafecito .



Sure you can, if you like it don't worry about what outhers think. I haven't tried coffee but I have dipped cigars in brandy and whiskey.

[never_enough]

I'd like to add that when you do decide to spend money on a good cutter ONLY buy one with a lifetime warranty.

Thanks for the heads up. Didn't know you could buy one with a lifetime warranty.

[never_enough]

Should you/Can you dip the butt of your cigar into your drink, ie Cuban coffee , whyskey etc. I enjoy doing it with a nice cafecito .

You can if you want. I have a few friends that always dip their cigar in bourbon.

[MrClean]

I did some searching and really didn't see a specific answer to this question. I think I know the answer, but I'd like someone to confirm it.

Up until this week I've only purchased single sticks and fiver's. Basically this week I'm doubling what is in my humidor. I just put 10 sticks in and another 20 will go in later this week. I'm assuming I'll see a drop in the humidity with a increase of the number of sticks in the humi. How long does it normally take for things to stabilize generally speaking? I know things vary for each situation but can I expect a week, or a month for things to get back to normal. I do put all new sticks through the freezer cycle.

[Ismith75]

I did some searching and really didn't see a specific answer to this question. I think I know the answer, but I'd like someone to confirm it.

Up until this week I've only purchased single sticks and fiver's. Basically this week I'm doubling what is in my humidor. I just put 10 sticks in and another 20 will go in later this week. I'm assuming I'll see a drop in the humidity with a increase of the number of sticks in the humi. How long does it normally take for things to stabilize generally speaking? I know things vary for each situation but can I expect a week, or a month for things to get back to normal. I do put all new sticks through the freezer cycle.

What are you using to humidify your sticks?

[T.G]

I did some searching and really didn't see a specific answer to this question. I think I know the answer, but I'd like someone to confirm it.

Up until this week I've only purchased single sticks and fiver's. Basically this week I'm doubling what is in my humidor. I just put 10 sticks in and another 20 will go in later this week. I'm assuming I'll see a drop in the humidity with a increase of the number of sticks in the humi. How long does it normally take for things to stabilize generally speaking? I know things vary for each situation but can I expect a week, or a month for things to get back to normal. I do put all new sticks through the freezer cycle.

Depending how moist the newly added cigars are, your humidity could actually go up. Quite a few US online vendors ship their cigars a bit on the humid side or right at 70% so that they don't dry out in transit. Usually what this means is that they are still a bit "wet" when you get them.

No real set answer for how long it will take your humidor to come up or down to your preferred humidity as there are way too many variables.

All that really matters though is how the cigars are smoking. If you like how they are smoking, then it doesn't matter if the RH is a bit different from what you are accustomed to seeing on your hygrometer.

[MrClean]

Thanks for the answers, that makes sense. I use HCM beads, they've been great and my RH would only flucate when I opened and closed the lid a bunch. Wasn't sure what to expect when adding a bunch of sticks, but now I have a good idea. Thanks again guys!

[irratebass]

Help help! What am I am I doing wrong? I went to count my sticks (136 right now) and the ones that were not in cello were very hard. The others were ok. I added some gel stuff to my humidification decvice....my hygrometers battery is dead and I need to get some more, have I screwed up? Are my sticks beyond repair?

[icehog3]

How long since your hygrometer worked, Mickey?

[irratebass]

Last week it was still reading at 68%

[icehog3]

Last week it was still reading at 68%

Then there is no way you caused fatal harm to your cigars, Mickey.

[irratebass]

Then there is no way you caused fatal harm to your cigars, Mickey.

But they are so hard.....I went ahead and put them in some 5 finger bags hoping to fix them, its about 12 cigars....how do I rectify this? Also how do I make sure it doesn't happen again, I was horrified!

[icehog3]

Working hygrometer, beads, and loving care. :)

[irratebass]

Thanks Tom, wish me luck. I thought I was being so careful.....ugh.

[longknocker]

Thanks Tom, wish me luck. I thought I was being so careful.....ugh.

After You Get A New Battery, Be Sure To Recalibrate Your Hygrometer, Mickey. GL, Brother!:tu

[Whee]

One week shouldn't hurt them at all. Not familiar with the gel stuff, Get a battery, a boveda calibration kit, and there you go.

[irratebass]

Thanks Greg and Sean. I will say I am smoking a RP Cameroon and its smoking nicely....paper is a bit crackes, but I working around those issues.

[Diths0er]

I have noticed that when using a silica gel based humidification system, that both the humidor and the individual (unlit) cigars have a weaker smell than those from a humidor using distilled water/floral foam. I have transferred strong-smelling cigars from a floral-foam based humidor into one using silica gel and within a few days notice a marked decrease in pungency of wrapper aroma. I have experienced this with both Kitty Litter and made-for-purpose silica beads. Upon replacing the foam/water system in a few of my humidors, I could easily tell that the scent from the interior of the humidor was much weaker. I have heard that silica gel does absorb odours. Has anyone else experienced a decrease in cigar/humidor aroma after making the switch to silica? If so, has it negatively impacted the flavour/ quality of your cigars?
By the way, I leave the cellophane on.

[CigarNut]

Most of the bead products absorb ammonia -- which is prevalant in new cigars. The floral foam does not absorb ammonia. I think it's best to remove the ammonia myself as it "taints" the flavor of the cigar.

Some bead products (not HCM Beads) will absorb hydrocarbons that are given off by the cigars and this is why the beads become discolored over time. This also may be a component of what you are detecting.

Just my :2

[RWhisenand]

Quick question, I've been using Boveda humidor pillows. I usually change them out every three months, with two new ones. (I have a 50 stick desktop humidor) A little while ago, my RH gauge thing fell apart. It didn't compromise the integrity of the humidor, but I have no clue what the RH is in my humidor. My question is; I've been good with my routine of two new Boveda pillows every three months, how important is the gauge? TIA

[Cornrow_Wallis]

Not that important with a consistent humidity source. As long as they are smoking good I wouldn't worry about it. I have hcm beads and no hygro in my desktop.

If it was one of the analog hygrometers that came with the desktop, chances are it wasn't terribly accurate to begin with.

[CigarNut]

Many people don't use hygrometers; those that do usually use a digital one. You can proceed as you have been doing and you will likely be fine. If you are really worried you can pick up a good digial hygrometer pretty cheaply -- just have to look around a little bit.

[RWhisenand]

Thank you guys!

[SteelCityBoy]

I am seeing on this thread some questions about whether or not to keep cigars that come without cellophane naked or to put them in single bags inside your humi. I have been wondering whether it matters or not. I have my humi right around 67% and have been leaving my sticks that came unwrapped just the way they are. Does keeping them in single baggies help? The sticks in question are my LP9's. They came unwrapped and I don't want to cause any harm at all. Any feedback is appreciated.

[68TriShield]

Keep them as they come Ken and handle accordingly.

[CigarNut]

Keep them as they come Ken and handle accordingly.:tu

Dave is wise!

[SteelCityBoy]

Keep them as they come Ken and handle accordingly.

:tu

Dave is wise!

Thanks guys! That is what I thought but being pretty new at this stuff I wanted to be sure.

[v00d3W]

HELP!!!

I currently have a Napoleon II humidor, and have about 50 cigars in it. I recently switched from the standard brick humidifier to the Humicare Crystals, and am using Cigar Juice. It has been staying constant at 70% and 70 degrees. Since the temprature outside changed, and I have started using the central heat in the house, the humidity has started to drop (67% - 68%) in the Humidor. I moved one of the two crystal jars from the bottom shelf to the top shelf, and now the humidity stays at 72%. The last three cigars I smoked started cracking, and unraveling halfway through the smoke. The cigars that acted this way are 2 CAO Brazilia Gol, and one Erin Go Brah. Any insight would be great, thanks.

[kydsid]

HELP!!!

I currently have a Napoleon II humidor, and have about 50 cigars in it. I recently switched from the standard brick humidifier to the Humicare Crystals, and am using Cigar Juice. It has been staying constant at 70% and 70 degrees. Since the temprature outside changed, and I have started using the central heat in the house, the humidity has started to drop (67% - 68%) in the Humidor. I moved one of the two crystal jars from the bottom shelf to the top shelf, and now the humidity stays at 72%. The last three cigars I smoked started cracking, and unraveling halfway through the smoke. The cigars that acted this way are 2 CAO Brazilia Gol, and one Erin Go Brah. Any insight would be great, thanks.



First a drop to 67-68% is nothing to worry about. It takes quite a while for a individual cigar to change its rH based on the difference in surrounding rH. Conversely 72% is not that big of a deal either. This is especially true dependent on you hygrometer's accuracy. Now if the hygrometer is off by 10% and you really have 82% AND it stayed that high for more than two weeks it might be time to take action.

As for the cracking and unraveling that could be simple damage or bad rolls or indicative of a humidity issue, but not necessarily what you are thinking. Cracking and unraveling is most common when the cigar is exposed to a drastic temp and humidity change. Such as taking a stick out of a 70/70 humidor and smoking outside in the winter at 40/20.

In your case because you have two humidification sources if you want to start now, remove one. Callibrate your hygrometer (search the forum, several how too's on this). Then see where you are at.

Then remember that after all is said and done a cracked or unravelling wrapper has little to no effect on the cigar as you smoke it and really is only annoying to those of us with OCD who need a perfect even burn. :tu

[CigarNut]

Jason is absolutely correct!

[v00d3W]

As for the cracking and unraveling that could be simple damage or bad rolls or indicative of a humidity issue, but not necessarily what you are thinking. Cracking and unraveling is most common when the cigar is exposed to a drastic temp and humidity change. Such as taking a stick out of a 70/70 humidor and smoking outside in the winter at 40/20.

In your case because you have two humidification sources if you want to start now, remove one. Callibrate your hygrometer (search the forum, several how too's on this). Then see where you are at.

Then remember that after all is said and done a cracked or unravelling wrapper has little to no effect on the cigar as you smoke it and really is only annoying to those of us with OCD who need a perfect even burn. :tu


So, that makes a lot of sense, I was smoking all three on my porch in the winter (cold) air.

I have a decent digital hygrometer, and i calibrated it about a year and a half ago, do you think I need to calibrate it again?

and I am a bit OCD about my burn too :P

[CigarNut]

If you are worried about it I would calibrate it again. The calibration changes as the batteries age. I generally replace my batteries about every six months (cheap insurance).

[T.G]

I have a decent digital hygrometer, and i calibrated it about a year and a half ago, do you think I need to calibrate it again?


Yes, and if you haven't replaced the battery since then, do that first, then recalibrate it.

[kydsid]

So, that makes a lot of sense, I was smoking all three on my porch in the winter (cold) air.

I have a decent digital hygrometer, and i calibrated it about a year and a half ago, do you think I need to calibrate it again?

and I am a bit OCD about my burn too :P



If its your only hygrometer,YES. But the fact that it has been stable like that for a year and a half you could throw out the hygrometer to keep you from OCD'ing about the rH. :r

In seriousness, once you get a well sealed humidor dialed in you don't need/shouldn't be messing with it unless it gets way outa hand.

As for your cracking, take the cigar outside and let it lower in temp for a couple minutes before lighting. That usually will help alleviate the problem.

[v00d3W]

Thanks everyone, this was very insightful!!!

[irratebass]

Do you have to recalibrate everytime you put new batteries in?

[ApexAZ]

Do you have to recalibrate everytime you put new batteries in?

It might depend on the brand/model, but my Xikar definitely does.

[icehog3]

Do you have to recalibrate everytime you put new batteries in?

Have to? No

Should you? Yes.

[irratebass]

Have to? No

Should you? Yes.

Ahh haa...:tu

[Diths0er]

I purchased some cigars through CI. As is my usual practice, I dry box them for a bit because they come soaking wet by putting them in a sealed container on their own with a hygrometer, which I check after several hours just to make sure things are where I want it. Well, I forgot about them for a week and a half to two weeks, and when I opened the container they were at 57 rh or so. They are a little hard, and they do smoke a little on the dry side. My question is, could I have I permanently damaged them?

[NCRadioMan]

They are fine. No worries. Cigars are much tougher than we sometimes give them credit for.

[CigarNut]

Chutney is right -- just throw them in your humidor and they will rehydrate and be fine.

[theonlybear4CORT]

I purchased some cigars through CI. As is my usual practice, I dry box them for a bit because they come soaking wet by putting them in a sealed container on their own with a hygrometer, which I check after several hours just to make sure things are where I want it. Well, I forgot about them for a week and a half to two weeks, and when I opened the container they were at 57 rh or so. They are a little hard, and they do smoke a little on the dry side. My question is, could I have I permanently damaged them?

no they are from a organic material and with a little tlc they will be ready to smoke again. and by tlc i mean introduce to humidity rest and smoke..

[Diths0er]

Well, you know, when you first get into cigars you're constantly told "keep them at 70/70 or you'll ruin them. . ."
I'm sure we've all heard it.
But I'm finding that people on this site are right, and they do smoke better at 67 rh, some even at 65.

[md4958]

Well, you know, when you first get into cigars you're constantly told "keep them at 70/70 or you'll ruin them. . ."
I'm sure we've all heard it.
But I'm finding that people on this site are right, and they do smoke better at 67 rh, some even at 65.

And some even lower than that. After a while you will find a RH that works for you. I thought I should keep my CC in the 62% range, but I found that they taste better for me between 65-67%.

A little experimentation is all you need, its all personal preference.

[longknocker]

And some even lower than that. After a while you will find a RH that works for you. I thought I should keep my CC in the 62% range, but I found that they taste better for me between 65-67%.

A little experimentation is all you need, its all personal preference.

:tu 63-65 For All My Sticks, Both CC & NC.:tu

[kingcobradude]

I am 18 and I found CI and a lot of other online stores will not sell to people 18 years of age, even though that is legal smoking age. Why not? and dos anyone know of an online store with a wide selection that will sell to smeone like me who is 18?

[Bill86]

I am 18 and I found CI and a lot of other online stores will not sell to people 18 years of age, even though that is legal smoking age. Why not? and dos anyone know of an online store with a wide selection that will sell to smeone like me who is 18?

Cigarsatyourprice.com has a disclaimer that reads "*Persons need to be of legal age in their state to purchase cigars and cigar accessories from cigarsatyourprice.com
**Shipping outside of New York only."

I would think that includes you, eh?

I had this debate with someone before. Cigar shops often require you to be 21 but tobacco law is 18. So hypothetically if an 18 year old asks me to buy him a cigar because he can't........seems that's okay? I dunno what the law is but it doesn't make sense. No one has ever asked this, so it's purely hypothetical but it kinda makes you go hmmmm.

[kingcobradude]

I like the site, though I was hoping to find one where I could buy samplers like CI does

[emopunker2004]

I like the site, though I was hoping to find one where I could buy samplers like CI does

try famous-smoke.com I order there and they are great. cigarmonster.com is also them. they have an 18yr old age requirement :tu

[kydsid]

Cigarsatyourprice.com has a disclaimer that reads "*Persons need to be of legal age in their state to purchase cigars and cigar accessories from cigarsatyourprice.com
**Shipping outside of New York only."

I would think that includes you, eh?

I had this debate with someone before. Cigar shops often require you to be 21 but tobacco law is 18. So hypothetically if an 18 year old asks me to buy him a cigar because he can't........seems that's okay? I dunno what the law is but it doesn't make sense. No one has ever asked this, so it's purely hypothetical but it kinda makes you go hmmmm.



Parts of New York and at least 3 states require you to be 19 to purchase tobacco. The at least 21 though is not because of any state law on purchase it is because of shipping. USPS/UPS/Fedex all have a 21 or over requirement for anything requiring adult signature and IIRC this is extended into shipping policies into age restricted materials making 21 the defacto adult age.


As for not selling it in a shop directly with a person who has valid proof of age, that is a whole nother issue.

[kingcobradude]

ok if thats the case than why do some sell to people 18 or otherwise legal smoking age?

[kingcobradude]

also I need some tips on keeping the temperature constant with my cigars. I have no control over the thermostat here at the appt. It constantly varies from bakery oven to ice chest. I dont figure it makes a big difference short term, but thats a different story long term. any advice?

[Bill86]

also I need some tips on keeping the temperature constant with my cigars. I have no control over the thermostat here at the appt. It constantly varies from bakery oven to ice chest. I dont figure it makes a big difference short term, but thats a different story long term. any advice?

Ice chest probably won't matter, as I assume Ice chest is like 60-65? I couldn't imagine it being much lower. That's ideal for cigars really.

Bakery oven, not so much. Look into the thread on freezing your cigars.

Also you might want to look into Vinotemps and Edgestars for cigar storage if it gets THAT hot in your appt and you cannot control it.

[kydsid]

ok if thats the case than why do some sell to people 18 or otherwise legal smoking age?


No idea. Just passing on what little info I knew that might contribute to the trend. I'll likely figure it out when I figure out women.

[kingcobradude]

no ice chest as in like 40. and I want something that wont set me back a whole lot

[bobarian]

no ice chest as in like 40. and I want something that wont set me back a whole lot

Is there a question here? :sh

[kingcobradude]

Is there a question here? :sh
yeah. how do I keep my cigars from being destroyed through thermal shock withoug breaking the bank?

[theonlybear4CORT]

you talking about freezing your cigars from a island so they have a less of a chance of having beetles?

[kingcobradude]

no i mean long term storage. the temp in my appt varies constantly and widely. I cnat get a constant 70 degrees

[Bill86]

Is there a question here? :sh

Not really but if you combine a few posts, basically he's looking to regulate temperature without buying a vino or edgestar or using the appt thermostat.

Apparently the swings in his appt are 40 - 90+ degrees at any given point in the year and he has no control over this :sh

[kingcobradude]

but wont 80 degrees plus destroy them?

[Bill86]

but wont 80 degrees plus destroy them?

Not the temperature, you run the risk of beetles hatching and destroying them though.

[kingcobradude]

i see. so I should worry more about RH after freezing them?

[T.G]

but wont 80 degrees plus destroy them?

Not as far as the tobacco is concerned. It get's much warmer than that in the countries were most of the cigars are rolled and cigars are left out in drawers, on counters in rooms lacking air conditioning all the time.

Just maintain correct humidity and the cigars will be fine.

If you have any viable beetle eggs in there, then prolonged temperatures of 80F + are begging from problems.

[Bill86]

There are A LOT of stickies on this forum that can go into much further detail than I can. I would really read those. Great stuff posted by people far more knowledgeable than I.

Ideally it would be good to keep both the RH and Temp between 60-65 at all times. Just for the sake of a long discussion and debatable facts or opinions. But if you do that you won't have any problems at that temperature and RH.

Later down the road you can adjust the RH to something preferred to you specifically. (Some people like 68/68, some 62/62 ETC. ETC) 65/65 is just a comfortable medium.

But again lots of stickies in this area of the forum and the accessories and humidor area will have the stickies about this sort of stuff.

[bobarian]

Not as far as the tobacco is concerned. It get's much warmer than that in the countries were most of the cigars are rolled and cigars are left out in drawers, on counters in rooms lacking air conditioning all the time.

Just maintain correct humidity and the cigars will be fine.

If you have any viable beetle eggs in there, then prolonged temperatures of 80F + are begging from problems.

There are A LOT of stickies on this forum that can go into much further detail than I can. I would really read those. Great stuff posted by people far more knowledgeable than I.

Ideally it would be good to keep both the RH and Temp between 60-65 at all times. Just for the sake of a long discussion and debatable facts or opinions. But if you do that you won't have any problems at that temperature and RH.

Later down the road you can adjust the RH to something preferred to you specifically. (Some people like 68/68, some 62/62 ETC. ETC) 65/65 is just a comfortable medium.

But again lots of stickies in this area of the forum and the accessories and humidor area will have the stickies about this sort of stuff.

QFT. Reading is fundamental. :sh

[pnoon]

no ice chest as in like 40. and I want something that wont set me back a whole lot

40 degrees indoors? I don't buy it.

[Bill86]

40 degrees indoors? I don't buy it.

I wanted to say the same but I left that out.

[kingcobradude]

40 degrees indoors? I don't buy it.

A while back ago it was. now whoever has control of the heater turned it on and it stays acceptably warm. a bit drafty though.

[kingcobradude]

also, what would be a good 5 dollar cutter for large ring guage cigars?

[ApexAZ]

I'm still learning too, but I have a $2 cutter that I absolutely hate. It gets the job done, more or less, but it never cuts cleanly. I often tear the wrapper with it. I nabbed a silver Palio from cigarbid for $28. Can't wait to toss this plastic piece of crap in the garbage.

I haven't had a lot of experience with a wide swath of cutters to give you better input. Maybe someone else had a good experience with a cheaper cutter who can help you. My 2 cents is that you generally get what you pay for, so why tear up your $8 cigar with a $5 cutter?

[kingcobradude]

I use a 2 dollar cutter that hasnt failed me yet, but it doesnt cut large ring guages like the nub

[Bill86]

I would ask, how much of the cap are you taking off? The whole thing? You only need to shave the top of the cap off, you leave the "shoulders". So it is still rounded with just enough off the top to smoke out of.

If you're looking to lop the whole thing off you might look into a Xikar X8, they come up on Cigarmonster.com for like $15-$20 from time to time. Also they have a lifetime warranty which is good.

[kingcobradude]

not much. but it didntt cut any of the nub I smoked

[MurphysLaw]

also, what would be a good 5 dollar cutter for large ring guage cigars?

You can probably find a punch that will get the job done for under 5 bucks

[irratebass]

This is the only cutter you will need....ever
http://www.cubancrafters.com/products.php/item_id/78
As you can see it has a stopper in the back so you cannot make a bad cut ever, this is the metal one for $15 or you can go plastic for $10
http://www.cubancrafters.com/products.php/item_id/5291
This is the one I have, and look it's only $6!!!!!
both of these have a lifetime warranty, so if anything goes wrong, just send it back and they will replace it.

[ApexAZ]

I use a 2 dollar cutter that hasnt failed me yet, but it doesnt cut large ring guages like the nub

You are welcome to have mine if you want to pay for the shipping.

[Diths0er]

What is meant when it is said that you feel a cigar in the belly?

[bobarian]

What is meant when it is said that you feel a cigar in the belly?

I've never heard that expression. But it could refer to the nausea caused by mild nicotine poisoning. :sh

[Diths0er]

I hear it sometimes in various reviews, such as, this cigar was strong, but you felt it more in your belly than in your head. Or, it's like an old Cuban cigar, you start to feel it in your belly after a few inches.

[Drez]

ive also never heard this . maybe you can link the review?

i agree with bob in that it might refer to the strength of the "nic kick".

[pnoon]

I hear it sometimes in various reviews, such as, this cigar was strong, but you felt it more in your belly than in your head. Or, it's like an old Cuban cigar, you start to feel it in your belly after a few inches.

I would love to see those reviews. Can you provide a link or two? Especially the latter statement.

[Bill86]

Count me in the never heard it group as well. Nicotine for me is always felt in the head. The disorientation and nausea then settle in something fierce. I never feel anything in my stomach though. :sh

[Drez]

Count me in the never heard it group as well. Nicotine for me is always felt in the head. The disorientation and nausea then settle in something fierce. I never feel anything in my stomach though. :sh

ive never had a cigar kick my @ss but the few times that i do get a slight nicotine buzz its in the head like bill said.

[Diths0er]

Can't remember right off hand where all I've read it before as I've read a LOT of scattered reviews, but here's one link where I've recently read it. (it's in the first sentence of the answer)

http://www.chineseop.com/wine/What-are-the-best-cigars-to-age-.html

Here it is mentioned in a CI product description.
http://www.cigarsinternational.com/prodDisp.asp?item=CS-XXA

I've never had the latter so I can't comment on any effects.

[Bill86]

That's a stupid cheap marketing gimmick to try to get you to buy bulk crap cigars. No Dominicans taste anything like Cubans.

:2

[Drez]

to be honest i have no idea. the first review is lack luster to say the least for me.

the CI product description is better written but i have never felt a cigar in my belly or made me feel "full". CI is just trying to make a budget bundle smoke sound like its the greatest thing since sliced bread. to me its not really worth reading into phrases like this.

remember what feeling, taste, strength, etc. I get from a certain cigar may vary slightly or completely from what you experience. My best guess is the reviewers are trying to articulate a certain characteristics of a smoke and thats the words they felt best describe it. just my :2

[bobarian]

With some cigars when paired with the tolerance of the smoker, you can feel the effects of the increased nicotine levels. In some people this will result in lightheadedness and others will feel different levels of nausea up to including getting sick. But the same cigar will not have the same affect on all people.

It is also a mistake to pair aging potential with strength. Certainly most strong cigars will mellow with a few months rest in a humidor, but to most this is not aging. Aging is a process that takes many years if not decades. This is not a process that is usually practiced with non-Cuban cigars.

Some smokers prefer fresh cigars and others like to let them rest for a few weeks or months to take the edge off. Its merely a matter of preference and has little to do with the quality or strength of the tobacco. :2

[dom1n8r]

Greetings all...

A couple of questions; how does the size/shape make a difference for the same cigar, same tobacco and wrapper right? Also, being in Afghanistan, I'm ordering all of my cigars on-line. How long would you all recommend I let my cigars sit prior to smoking them. I noticed that with a batch of MOWs, I smoked one the same day they arrived and it was very, very bitter. Smoked one from the same batch just two days ago (one month later) and it reminded me why I like them in the first place. Thanks for any input...D

[kydsid]

Greetings all...

A couple of questions; how does the size/shape make a difference for the same cigar, same tobacco and wrapper right? Also, being in Afghanistan, I'm ordering all of my cigars on-line. How long would you all recommend I let my cigars sit prior to smoking them. I noticed that with a batch of MOWs, I smoked one the same day they arrived and it was very, very bitter. Smoked one from the same batch just two days ago (one month later) and it reminded me why I like them in the first place. Thanks for any input...D



All of the tobaccos blended in a certain cigar should be the same across all size/shapes, but what changes is the percentage that each of the three major types represent in a cigar (wrapper, binder and filler). The smaller and skinnier a cigar becomes the more the wrapper and binder may effect the flavor of the cigar. Size/shape also affect the amount of smoke production and draw characteristics which can alter temperature the tobacco may be burned at depending on your smoking style. You will find that, here at CA, a large percentage of us prefer smaller skinner cigars and will have outright disdain for things that are say 6x60. It is all personal preference at the end of the day. If you like a particular cigar try its other sizes, you may end up with a size you like more.


As for shipping and letting rest, that is dependent on the individual supplier and shipping times and conditions. Cigars can be good, bad or in between when smoked right off the truck. A couple days is not enough time though for a cigar to completely acclimate to your humidor. The process for a cigar to change its rH completely is months if not longer. In your particular case I would say that the wrapper dried out a bit and a little time in the humidor provided enough rH to remove the bitterness from a dry wrapper leaf. OR you just had a shitty cigar right off the truck. Not every cigar is going to be perfect or the same as the last. They are a hand made product from a natural leaf.

[RatherUneek]

All of the tobaccos blended in a certain cigar should be the same across all size/shapes, but what changes is the percentage that each of the three major types represent in a cigar (wrapper, binder and filler). The smaller and skinnier a cigar becomes the more the wrapper and binder may effect the flavor of the cigar.

Thank you for posting. I have always kinda figured about the amount of smoke production but never thought about a lancero having much more wrapper and binder involved in each "puff". Makes perfect sense, thanks again!:tu

[Doctorossi]

All of the tobaccos blended in a certain cigar should be the same across all size/shapes, but what changes is the percentage that each of the three major types represent in a cigar (wrapper, binder and filler).

Additionally, within the filler, itself, the proportion of ligero, seco and volado leaves will change, which will also have a big impact on flavor.

In the other dimension (length), a longer cigar will develop (ie. have potential to change) more as it is smoked, with a larger volume of smoke, oil and residue being drawn through it over time.

[bobarian]

I have not noticed a corellation between length and complexity. In fact some of the most complex cigars I have smoked have been coronas or smaller. :sh
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[mkarnold1]

Quick question here. For small cigars I have started using my corn holder nub tool to punch a few holes in the cap rather than cutting the cap off. I have been very happy with the smokes that I have tried this with. I am wondering if there are any issues with this method and if anyone else has tried similar and what the results were.

[Flounder]

Additionally, within the filler, itself, the proportion of ligero, seco and volado leaves will change, which will also have a big impact on flavor.

In the other dimension (length), a longer cigar will develop (ie. have potential to change) more as it is smoked, with a larger volume of smoke, oil and residue being drawn through it over time.

I was just about to ask this, if smoking a 5 x 50 was any different than a 6 x 50 other than the length of the smoke.

I have not noticed a corellation between length and complexity. In fact some of the most complex cigars I have smoked have been coronas or smaller. :sh
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I don't think he's saying that longer cigars are more complex. Period. But that a longer cigar has more time, and therefore more potential to change, not that it necessarily will.

[Flounder]

Quick question here. For small cigars I have started using my corn holder nub tool to punch a few holes in the cap rather than cutting the cap off. I have been very happy with the smokes that I have tried this with. I am wondering if there are any issues with this method and if anyone else has tried similar and what the results were.

I like the use of the scientific term "corn holder nub tool". But I'm not a pro, if I had to say, I'd tell you, if it works for you, go for it. Smoke what you like, like what you smoke. I feel like you may encounter problems with a tight a draw, try massaging it out to loosen it up, if that doesn't work you may have to cut it. But if it's working and you enjoy it, don't stop.

[Doctorossi]

I have not noticed a corellation between length and complexity. In fact some of the most complex cigars I have smoked have been coronas or smaller. :sh
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Bob, I'm not referring to complexity, per se, but to dynamic. Perhaps you are, too? In my experience, a shorter cigar is less apt to change radically over the course of the smoke, but this does not mean that a shorter cigar cannot be dynamic. YMMV, I guess.

[kenstogie]

Quick question here. For small cigars I have started using my corn holder nub tool to punch a few holes in the cap rather than cutting the cap off. I have been very happy with the smokes that I have tried this with. I am wondering if there are any issues with this method and if anyone else has tried similar and what the results were.

Pretty mcuh what flounder said.

People cut there cap all sorts of ways (clip, hole punch, v cut, bite etc, I have used utility knife blades in a pinch too) if it works for you and you get enjoyment out of the time you are smoking your cigar then it's works.

[Blak Smyth]

Quick question here. For small cigars I have started using my corn holder nub tool to punch a few holes in the cap rather than cutting the cap off. I have been very happy with the smokes that I have tried this with. I am wondering if there are any issues with this method and if anyone else has tried similar and what the results were.

The only issues you may experience that I can think of is an occasional tight draw and the worst thing that happens to me with some smaller smokes if not cut enough is a tar issue. I hate when tar builds up on the head of the cigar, I hate it soo much I don't even use a punch anymore. I cut everything now. It doesn't happen often but 1 out of 20 is to much IMO.

[Flounder]

The only issues you may experience that I can think of is an occasional tight draw and the worst thing that happens to me with some smaller smokes if not cut enough is a tar issue. I hate when tar builds up on the head of the cigar, I hate it soo much I don't even use a punch anymore. I cut everything now. It doesn't happen often but 1 out of 20 is to much IMO.

What kind of tar issue? I punched for a while, and just recently went back to cutting, but as far as I am aware, I have never had any sort of tar issue? Please explain.

[CigarNut]

Some cigars, often labeled as "strong" produce more tar. Tar is a black viscous fluid that can form on the end of the cigar as you smoke it. It tastes bad. You need to recut your cigar to get rid of it -- and it may come back again.

Tar can often appear to build up more when using a punch because the area you draw through is smaller. For me this is one of the biggest advantages of a cutter over a punch.

[Flounder]

Some cigars, often labeled as "strong" produce more tar. Tar is a black viscous fluid that can form on the end of the cigar as you smoke it. It tastes bad. You need to recut your cigar to get rid of it -- and it may come back again.

Tar can often appear to build up more when using a punch because the area you draw through is smaller. For me this is one of the biggest advantages of a cutter over a punch.

Thanks. I know what tar is obviously. But have never experienced this issue, granted I don't smoke real strong cigars.

[Doctorossi]

Thanks. I know what tar is obviously. But have never experienced this issue, granted I don't smoke real strong cigars.

I've experienced some pretty heavy tar seepage on a couple of not-very-strong cigars, as well. Be prepared.

[Blak Smyth]

Some cigars, often labeled as "strong" produce more tar. Tar is a black viscous fluid that can form on the end of the cigar as you smoke it. It tastes bad. You need to recut your cigar to get rid of it -- and it may come back again.

Tar can often appear to build up more when using a punch because the area you draw through is smaller. For me this is one of the biggest advantages of a cutter over a punch.

Exactly! Thank you.

What kind of tar issue? I punched for a while, and just recently went back to cutting, but as far as I am aware, I have never had any sort of tar issue? Please explain.

It can ruin my night, ussually I have to perge the crap out of it when it happens and then cut it back a little.
If you punch rather than cut it can work a bit like a funnel for the smoke but also for the tar. I don't know enough about why or how the tar forms but I do know it has only happened once to me when using a cutter and maybe a dozen times using a punch.

[mkarnold1]

If you experience the tar buildup, does cutting the cigar solve the issue?

[ir13]

If you experience the tar buildup, does cutting the cigar solve the issue?

Cutting, then purging has solved this issue for me on more than one occasion.

[Blak Smyth]

Cutting, then purging has solved this issue for me on more than one occasion.

Yes unless the tar touches your lips, it is horrible!
I was smoking some small mini AFs for a while until I had one that produced all kinds of tar and it got all over my lips before I noticed it. That ruined my night! It doesn't happen often but eventually you will see it if you like to punch!

[Doctorossi]

If you experience the tar buildup, does cutting the cigar solve the issue?

"Solve" might be strong, but with a combination of some judicious re-cutting, a strong purge and careful smoking, I can usually whip the sucker back into shape. -(P

[mkarnold1]

Thanks for the knowledge guys.

[longknocker]

Also, I Still Smoke Way Too Fast Even After 3+ Years Of Cigar Smoking.;) Slow Down & Your Cigar Will Taste So Much Better!:tu Less Tar & Harshness!:)

[mkarnold1]

I smoke very fast as well. Perhaps I just like tar?:r:sh

[Carmack]

Box question: do most boxes come with dates on them?

[pnoon]

Box question: do most boxes come with dates on them?
With an emphasis on "most"
Cubans - yes.
Non-Cubans - no.

[NCRadioMan]

With an emphasis on "most"
Cubans - yes.
Non-Cubans - no.

This is changing rapidly. I would say most boutique brands do put dates on boxes now.

[pnoon]

This is changing rapidly. I would say most boutique brands do put dates on boxes now.

Thank you Mr. Lovebiscuit. :)

[CigarNut]

Yes unless the tar touches your lips, it is horrible!
I was smoking some small mini AFs for a while until I had one that produced all kinds of tar and it got all over my lips before I noticed it. That ruined my night! It doesn't happen often but eventually you will see it if you like to punch!
Although one of my favorite smokes, I think that the AF Hemingway's are the "tarriest" sticks that I smoke... I almost never have tar on any other stick and I have had tar on many AF sticks... I suspect it may be related to higher nicotine content, but have no data to back this up.

[theonlybear4CORT]

oh i want to bump this thread and my cousin asked me this and I don't know how to answer it. "how come some smokes make a lot of smoke and some don't"? so what does everyone think here?

[T.G]

oh i want to bump this thread and my cousin asked me this and I don't know how to answer it. "how come some smokes make a lot of smoke and some don't"? so what does everyone think here?

Combustion and the roll. Good burn and lots of air passages will give you a ton of smoke. Restricting either will reduce the total volume of smoke.

Lots of things can play into the combustion - leaf type, how it's packed, how moist it is, how high the ambient humidity is where you are smoking, etc. The roll, or air passages are mostly all governed by how the cigar was bunched, but can also be affected by how moist the cigar is (wet cigars, the leaves can swell and cause a restricted or tight draw).

Might also want to take a look at these comments from Steve Saka (President, Drew Estates), as he talks about his cigars, but explains in a bit more detail than I've given here.
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=51516

[theonlybear4CORT]

Thanks Adam.

[Diths0er]

How low does the RH have to go before a cigar is noticeably damaged in flavour? I realize that it's all subjective, but there has to be some sort of general area, such as below 60, below 50, etc. for a week, a month, what-have-you. I don't mean actual wrapper cracking and falling apart, just the point where the oils and sugars begin to dissipate in a way that affects the enjoyment of the stick.

[kydsid]

How low does the RH have to go before a cigar is noticeably damaged in flavour? I realize that it's all subjective, but there has to be some sort of general area, such as below 60, below 50, etc. for a week, a month, what-have-you. I don't mean actual wrapper cracking and falling apart, just the point where the oils and sugars begin to dissipate in a way that affects the enjoyment of the stick.


Flavor is subjective to the person and from cigar to cigar. But, long term storage (read years) below 55% will most like do some damage. The lower from there the shorter it will take because its relative to the differential in the environment to the cigar.

So say its stored at 20% for a month. That would most likely ruin the cigar, but a month at 50% most likely wouldn't, it may alter it but outright ruin is debatable.

[longknocker]

My Cigars Are Lower RH In The Winter: 60-63. They Seem To Smoke Fine, Though. I Prefer 63-65.:tu

[AmsterDan]

Howdy! Not entirely new here, got registered with CigaryAsylum a while back ... but I'm back! Just wanted to get to know your house rules a bit better regarding reviews. If I were to have a cigar review of a cigar previously reviewed on the forum, would I place that review in the existing thread or make a new one under my name? What is the usual?

[pnoon]

Howdy! Not entirely new here, got registered with CigaryAsylum a while back ... but I'm back! Just wanted to get to know your house rules a bit better regarding reviews. If I were to have a cigar review of a cigar previously reviewed on the forum, would I place that review in the existing thread or make a new one under my name? What is the usual?

Welcome back, Daniel.

There are two schools of thought on this. Just as you will find varying opinions on the cigars themselves, you will also find opinions differ on this as well.

We have no hard and fast rule on it here so do whatever floats your boat.

[mkarnold1]

Quick question, just bought a box of stogies with no good place to store them. I put them in a gallon ziploc bag with a humicare pouch. Is this OK or are ziplocs not good for stogie storage? I have several ziplocs being utilized for this purpose.

[goomer]

No good for anything but mailing. I would suggest mailing them to me. I have room and will keep them for you. :tu

[14holestogie]

Quick question, just bought a box of stogies with no good place to store them. I put them in a gallon ziploc bag with a humicare pouch. Is this OK or are ziplocs not good for stogie storage? I have several ziplocs being utilized for this purpose.

Short-term storage should be fine. I'd open the bags once a week or so to let them breathe a bit.

[bobarian]

Quick question, just bought a box of stogies with no good place to store them. I put them in a gallon ziploc bag with a humicare pouch. Is this OK or are ziplocs not good for stogie storage? I have several ziplocs being utilized for this purpose.

Should be fine. I would open the bag once a week or so to get rid of excess moisture. You can buy a cooler for about $15 at WalMart, throw in a couple of Humicare pillows and you are good to go. When you have some spare change you can get a two-ounce tube of Heartfelt Industries beads that will regulate humidity better than the pillows. Search coolers or coolerdors to find more info. :2

[Steve]

http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aaez_prd/on/demandware.static/Sites-otterbox_us-Site/Sites-masterCatalog_OtterBox/default/v1325239497014/images/large/otr3-3500s-20-20.jpg

[mkarnold1]

http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aaez_prd/on/demandware.static/Sites-otterbox_us-Site/Sites-masterCatalog_OtterBox/default/v1325239497014/images/large/otr3-3500s-20-20.jpg

;) Got one of those, it's in my truck and full of smokes.

[SpruceBruce]

I don't think this has been asked before - so here goes.

Is there any harm in letting the humidity packs physically touch cigars, or can you lay them right on the sticks?

[T.G]

I don't think this has been asked before - so here goes.

Is there any harm in letting the humidity packs physically touch cigars, or can you lay them right on the sticks?

It's perfectly fine to do that with the Boveda packs, in fact, some manufacturers, most notably Fuente, insert humipaks* into the boxes of cigars at the factory prior to sealing the boxes and shipping them to the US for distribution and sale.

Water pillows, so long as they are in their little ziplock bag or with the permeable membrane facing away from the cigars, it's fine.



*: the manufacturer inserted humipaks are identical to the Boveda packs which you can buy at many B&Ms.

[longknocker]

It's perfectly fine to do that with the Boveda packs, in fact, some manufacturers, most notably Fuente, insert humipaks* into the boxes of cigars at the factory prior to sealing the boxes and shipping them to the US for distribution and sale.

Water pillows, so long as they are in their little ziplock bag or with the permeable membrane facing away from the cigars, it's fine.



*: the manufacturer inserted humipaks are identical to the Boveda packs which you can buy at many B&Ms.
:tu My Boveda Packs Are Directly Under My Sticks. No Problem! :)

[Shidoshi]

I've been smoking a lot of cigars lately that seem to mention in their descriptions that the wrapper is a Connecticut Broadleaf. I'm still learning about different tobacco blends, but can't find a lot of info on this type for some reason. Can anyone explain why it seems to be a popular wrapper choice and what characteristics differentiate it from others? Thanks.

[Newbie_nick]

Quick question, just bought a box of stogies with no good place to store them. I put them in a gallon ziploc bag with a humicare pouch. Is this OK or are ziplocs not good for stogie storage? I have several ziplocs being utilized for this purpose.

Mark,

A coolidor is easier and cheaper to assemble than you might think. Take a look at my thread (below), and if you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I always had trouble with humidity control in my regular humidor before I bought the beads, but with the beads, I can withstand the dry winter and keep my sticks at the "perfect" 65% RH.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=49471

Nick

[T.G]

I've been smoking a lot of cigars lately that seem to mention in their descriptions that the wrapper is a Connecticut Broadleaf. I'm still learning about different tobacco blends, but can't find a lot of info on this type for some reason. Can anyone explain why it seems to be a popular wrapper choice and what characteristics differentiate it from others? Thanks.

Simple/short answer: It's a heavy flavor, leather, spice, earth, some sweetness is possible depending on how it's fermented and cured. And it has no shortage of flavor, it's a beast. It can hold up to some of the fullest-flavored filler blends out there.

Long answer: http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/One-Tough-Leaf_7042

[Shidoshi]

Thanks T.G.! Much appreciated! -(P

[44stampede]

Hey guys,

How do you upload a pic from the computer? I can see the button to create a link but is there any direct upload?

[icehog3]

Majority of people use a photo storage site like Photobucket.com, Brett.

[44stampede]

What's the best mag for cigars? Thinking of subscribing to aficionado. Any value in that or is the their website and here better anyway?

[nayslayer]

I get aficionado, also get Cigar snob

[pnoon]

What's the best mag for cigars? Thinking of subscribing to aficionado. Any value in that or is the their website and here better anyway?

IMO, you will get more accurate information and more unbiased opinions here than in any magazine or the Cigar Aficionado forums.
:2

[icehog3]

What's the best mag for cigars? Thinking of subscribing to aficionado. Any value in that or is the their website and here better anyway?

They have some great golf course and watch reviews.

[Mattso3000]

They have some great golf course and watch reviews.

I think Catherine Zeta-Jones was on the cover once...

[icehog3]

I think Catherine Zeta-Jones was on the cover once...

That's worth the cover price.



Or not. :r

[bobarian]

IMO, you will get more accurate information and more unbiased opinions here than in any magazine or the Cigar Aficionado forums.
:2

:tpd: CA is loaded with great pictures but very little information. Check with friends who have magazine subscriptions they often have a free offer for Aficionado. Havent seen any magazines that have any substantive information that is really useful. You will find much more here or by searching Google. :2

[Mattso3000]

That's worth the cover price.



Or not. :r

It's always sitting in front of me on the coffee table at the B&M, she looks nice. Not high maintenance at all.

[icehog3]

It's always sitting in front of me on the coffee table at the B&M, she looks nice. Not high maintenance at all.

I'd like to hear from Michael Douglas about that! :lr

[44stampede]

Do I gain access at some point to come up with my own slogan or did I miss it?

It's moot at this point as I haven't thought of anything witty enough but I may get inspired :>)

[Remo]

Do I gain access at some point to come up with my own slogan or did I miss it?

It's moot at this point as I haven't thought of anything witty enough but I may get inspired :>)

Go into user cp and it's in the edit details on the left side.

[ysr_racer]

I know what "box pressed" is, but what's the point of it?

[Carmack]

According to Cigar Adviser - Originating in Cuba, this was done to save shipping space. As a result, the process causes the cigars to burn longer and with a more consistent flavor, giving the smoker a more enjoyable smoke.

and Cuban Crafters say - What is box-pressed?
A cigar, while fresh and moist, is actually pressed in a wood box and the pressure creates a perfectly square shaped cigar. The box-pressed cigars usually burn long and give a more flavorful taste.

[icehog3]

According to Cigar Adviser - Originating in Cuba, this was done to save shipping space. As a result, the process causes the cigars to burn longer and with a more consistent flavor, giving the smoker a more enjoyable smoke.

and Cuban Crafters say - What is box-pressed?
A cigar, while fresh and moist, is actually pressed in a wood box and the pressure creates a perfectly square shaped cigar. The box-pressed cigars usually burn long and give a more flavorful taste.

For the record, that hasn't been my experience, I think cab (round) versions of the same vitola often burn and taste better. :2

[joeobx]

For the record, that hasn't been my experience, I think cab (round) versions of the same vitola often burn and taste better. :2

I find most box pressed I've had run up one side.

[longknocker]

I Can't Detect Any Difference In Taste Or Burn Between The Two.:confused:

[CigarNut]

I Can't Detect Any Difference In Taste Or Burn Between The Two.:confused:
:tpd:

As many in the Asylum are fond of saying: Smoke What You Like, Like What You Smoke. It's all good!

[coty]

I think cab or box press does have as much to do with taste as much as burn. The construction of a box press seems (to me) to me to have tighter packed "corners " and looser packed sides which always tend to burn uneven for me.

[coty]

I have a question that has puzzled me that I couldn't find an answer to... Smoking speed vs flavor vs size vs cigar .
I have noticed that I get a different flavor from cigars with different draws i.e. a light slow longer draw seems to always reveal a sweeter smoke and a more cedar draw on cigars like pepin black labels; however , a shorter draw in time (drawing the same amount of smoke) tends to be less sweet and more spicy than cedar. This technique also brings different flavors in other cigars as well.
Is there any specific way that one needs to smoke specific types of cigars to obtain optimal flavor? For example should you smoke a robusto faster (in ratio of drawing not time) than a corna or lancero and would style matter such as you should smoke maduros faster than claros?

[coty]

And are any particular brands meant to be smoked faster (in draw ratio not time) than others?

[T.G]

I have a question that has puzzled me that I couldn't find an answer to... Smoking speed vs flavor vs size vs cigar .
I have noticed that I get a different flavor from cigars with different draws i.e. a light slow longer draw seems to always reveal a sweeter smoke and a more cedar draw on cigars like pepin black labels; however , a shorter draw in time (drawing the same amount of smoke) tends to be less sweet and more spicy than cedar. This technique also brings different flavors in other cigars as well.
Is there any specific way that one needs to smoke specific types of cigars to obtain optimal flavor? For example should you smoke a robusto faster (in ratio of drawing not time) than a corna or lancero and would style matter such as you should smoke maduros faster than claros?

And are any particular brands meant to be smoked faster (in draw ratio not time) than others?


You're over analyzing it. Optimal flavor to one person might not be the same for the next person. Just smoke it how you are comfortable;how it gives you the flavors that you find enjoyable and it doesn't burn all wonky. Eventually you'll figure out your own pattern and timing that yields the most enjoyment for you.

[coty]

I accept that, however, I ask because there are a million and one different things that can be done to enjoy a cigar. I understand at the end of the day people will smoke how they like but I would like to know as many of these little techniques as possible so I can try news things and iideas out and possibly enjoy my smoking experience more.

[longknocker]

I accept that, however, I ask because there are a million and one different things that can be done to enjoy a cigar. I understand at the end of the day people will smoke how they like but I would like to know as many of these little techniques as possible so I can try news things and iideas out and possibly enjoy my smoking experience more.

The Faster You Smoke & Harder You Draw, The More Harshness You Get From Your Smokes. Smoke Slowly & Draw Easy!:) :tu

[Zanaspus]

The Faster You Smoke & Harder You Draw, The More Harshness You Get From Your Smokes. Smoke Slowly & Draw Easy!:) :tu

:tpd: Also, learn to snork. i.e. upon exhaling make sure to force some of the smoke through your nose. This is easy for a cigarette smoker but takes some practice for the uninitiated. CCs, this is a must on every exhale IMO. NCs try to do it at least occasionally. You'll discover flavors you never imagined. If it's your first time ever with an NC just be careful.

P.S. to stress the above I take a puff about once every 2 minutes on NCs.

[RevSmoke]

I have a question that has puzzled me that I couldn't find an answer to... Smoking speed vs flavor vs size vs cigar .
I have noticed that I get a different flavor from cigars with different draws i.e. a light slow longer draw seems to always reveal a sweeter smoke and a more cedar draw on cigars like pepin black labels; however , a shorter draw in time (drawing the same amount of smoke) tends to be less sweet and more spicy than cedar. This technique also brings different flavors in other cigars as well.
Is there any specific way that one needs to smoke specific types of cigars to obtain optimal flavor? For example should you smoke a robusto faster (in ratio of drawing not time) than a corna or lancero and would style matter such as you should smoke maduros faster than claros?

And are any particular brands meant to be smoked faster (in draw ratio not time) than others?

Enjoy your cigar, it will let you know if you are smoking too fast, for it will get hot.

I do not know that it is the flavor that changes based upon the way you draw. However, it may be that you are playing closer attention to things when you draw slower.

[coty]

Thank you everyone I do note that too hard and too fast are bad. Maybe it is in my head that the flavors change that much

[44stampede]

Hey guys,

Seems to me that the "coolidors" don't have cedar lining for the most part. Is this important or not?

[icehog3]

Hey guys,

Seems to me that the "coolidors" don't have cedar lining for the most part. Is this important or not?

Nice, but not necesssary at all.

[pnoon]

Nice, but not necesssary at all.

:tpd:
I used coolers for a few years and just threw cedar spills (the cedar dividers in boxes) and a couple of cedar blocks. It's a bonus but Tom is correct. Not necessary.

[coty]

So whats the real purpose of cedar in a humidor anyway? I can't imagine it adds flavor, it holds humidity at the rate of most wood, it doesn't make cigar multiply. Im not convinced that it has benefit

[NCRadioMan]

So whats the real purpose of cedar in a humidor anyway? I can't imagine it adds flavor, it holds humidity at the rate of most wood, it doesn't make cigar multiply. Im not convinced that it has benefit

It's very porous and absorbs and helps maintain humidity and it's a natural bug replant for many varmints. It can impart cedar flavors but not to the point of being unpleasant and we are all correct, it is not necessary. :)

[44stampede]

Might be doing one as I am forced to do something due to my inability to control myself on Cbid. I might just bite the bullet and get on of these. Anybody have one that has advice?

http://www.edgestar.com/Koldfront-30-Bottle-Built-In-Single-Zone-Wine-Cooler-BWR300BL/BWR300BL,default,pd.html?cgid=Wine_and_Beverage-Wine_Refrigerators

[Bill86]

Might be doing one as I am forced to do something due to my inability to control myself on Cbid. I might just bite the bullet and get on of these. Anybody have one that has advice?

http://www.edgestar.com/Koldfront-30-Bottle-Built-In-Single-Zone-Wine-Cooler-BWR300BL/BWR300BL,default,pd.html?cgid=Wine_and_Beverage-Wine_Refrigerators

http://www.edgestar.com/EdgeStar-TWR282S-28-Bottle-Deluxe-Ultra-Capacity-Free-Standing-Wine-Cooler/TWR282S,default,pd.html?cgid=Wine_and_Beverage-Wine_Refrigerators

This is the one most people buy. Thermoelectric 28 bottle.

Pretty solid deal here right now. New shipped $180
http://www.compactappliance.com/EdgeStar-TWR282S-28-Bottle-Deluxe-Ultra-Capacity-Free-Standing-Wine-Cooler/TWR282S,default,pd.html

[44stampede]

Anyone know where to pick up decent priced Opus X? I am keen to try these as everyone raves about them but can't seem to find anything less than 26$/stick

[icehog3]

Tampasweethearts.com .....You have to call and see what they have in stock, they usually don't list the Opus and Anejo on the site. They sell 'em for MSRP.

[T.G]

Anyone know where to pick up decent priced Opus X? I am keen to try these as everyone raves about them but can't seem to find anything less than 26$/stick

Most shops are typically sold out by now and you'll have to wait a few months for the next release, but when that happens, you can call Mark at Tower Cigars www.towercigars.com or try Tampa Sweethearts www.tampasweethearts.com, as both shops sell at MSRP.

[44stampede]

Most shops are typically sold out by now and you'll have to wait a few months for the next release, but when that happens, you can call Mark at Tower Cigars www.towercigars.com or try Tampa Sweethearts www.tampasweethearts.com, as both shops sell at MSRP.
Thanks guys!

Why are they sold out now? New Years?

What is the ONE to try out of the Opus X?

[T.G]

Thanks guys!

Why are they sold out now? New Years?

What is the ONE to try out of the Opus X?


Because Fuente only releases a limited number of them per year, usually twice a year. Most shops only get 2-4 boxes. The late-year release is typically around early-mid November and usually the places offering them at MSRP sell out before the December holidays.

The ONE to try, hard to say, everyone is going to have their own opinion here, but I would say the "xXx" aka: Power Ranger, which is a short belicoso. It gives a good representation of the line without being overly "anything" and isn't so long a cigar that it bores you to tears.

[44stampede]

Because Fuente only releases a limited number of them per year, usually twice a year. Most shops only get 2-4 boxes. The late-year release is typically around early-mid November and usually the places offering them at MSRP sell out before the December holidays.

The ONE to try, hard to say, everyone is going to have their own opinion here, but I would say the "xXx" aka: Power Ranger, which is a short belicoso. It gives a good representation of the line without being overly "anything" and isn't so long a cigar that it bores you to tears.
This is great info. Any idea on the second release date in the year? Cheers

[T.G]

May-June from what I recall.

[NCRadioMan]

This is great info. Any idea on the second release date in the year? Cheers

Opus is released once per quarter. First is around March-April, second around June, third around late September early October and the fourth in late November/early December.

[aaron72]

This is great info. Any idea on the second release date in the year? Cheers

The triggers for release are for the Christmas season and for Fathers Day.

[coty]

Just checked back on this thanks for ths cedar info. Got another question " is there a good way to sharpen a cheap cutter that has sentimental value?

[14holestogie]

Just checked back on this thanks for ths cedar info. Got another question " is there a good way to sharpen a cheap cutter that has sentimental value?

Not that I'm aware of. Save the sentimental cutter and buy a good one with a warranty (Palio or Xikar) to use. Never have to worry about a dull cutter again.

[UpInSmoke]

Thanks guys!

Why are they sold out now? New Years?

What is the ONE to try out of the Opus X?

My preferred size and seems some others as well is the Petite Lancero and the Fuente Fuente corona.:2

[icehog3]

The triggers for release are for the Christmas season and for Fathers Day.

Thought that was the Anejos....

[coty]

Own one ( this one was from my wifes late uncle) but just seeing if some one knew something i didn't

[44stampede]

Anyone have an idea how to help a cigar with poor draw? I have some cuban Romeo y Julieta gifted to me that they were going to toss due to being a couple years old and not properly stored. They are rehydrated but draw is like sucking mud through a straw...

[icehog3]

Anyone have an idea how to help a cigar with poor draw? I have some cuban Romeo y Julieta gifted to me that they were going to toss due to being a couple years old and not properly stored. They are rehydrated but draw is like sucking mud through a straw...

A couple of members here sell draw tools, they can help some of the time. Others clip the head and then put them back in the humi for an extended period of time. And then there are some that just can't be saved.

[mosesbotbol]

Anyone have an idea how to help a cigar with poor draw? I have some cuban Romeo y Julieta gifted to me that they were going to toss due to being a couple years old and not properly stored. They are rehydrated but draw is like sucking mud through a straw...

I have not tried, but has been said it works from good source...

Soak cigar in cold water for a few seconds. Put immediately in fridge for about a week. The point is to prevent mold & ammonia; fridge takes out the water pretty well. Once completely dry, put in humidor and wait a few weeks until humid and normalized.

Figure, if the cigars are known to be tight, what is the risk? Would love to hear if anybody has tried this.

[44stampede]

I have not tried, but has been said it works from good source...

Soak cigar in cold water for a few seconds. Put immediately in fridge for about a week. The point is to prevent mold & ammonia; fridge takes out the water pretty well. Once completely dry, put in humidor and wait a few weeks until humid and normalized.

Figure, if the cigars are known to be tight, what is the risk? Would love to hear if anybody has tried this.
I'll give it a try and let you know!

[coty]

Guitar string straight through the middle and a little in and out motion helps me. Don't use the ones with the brass on them I'm pretty sure they would tear smoething up. I think it's the lowest string on the guitar that I'm using(I don't play so I have no real Idea of which it is).

[irratebass]

Guitar string straight through the middle and a little in and out motion helps me. Don't use the ones with the brass on them I'm pretty sure they would tear smoething up. I think it's the lowest string on the guitar that I'm using(I don't play so I have no real Idea of which it is).

That would be the high E string :tu

[Bill86]

I've had the most luck lopping the entire cap off, going at it viciously with a draw poker and then dry boxing them for 12-24 hours.

If that doesn't work then it wasn't meant to be and I just chuck it.

Sometimes too I've looked for the knot in the cigar, hopefully it's at one of the ends, and lopped off that much. Might waste 20-25 minutes out of the cigar but it might also save the rest.

[44stampede]

I've had the most luck lopping the entire cap off, going at it viciously with a draw poker and then dry boxing them for 12-24 hours.

If that doesn't work then it wasn't meant to be and I just chuck it.

Sometimes too I've looked for the knot in the cigar, hopefully it's at one of the ends, and lopped off that much. Might waste 20-25 minutes out of the cigar but it might also save the rest.
It's just weird that it's everyone of this box. Starting to wonder if they are fakes...

[44stampede]

That's "every one" not everyone.

[Bill86]

It's just weird that it's everyone of this box. Starting to wonder if they are fakes...

What year?

What vitola?

[44stampede]

What year?

What vitola?
petit corona '05

they look fantastic

[44stampede]

What year?

What vitola?
Tried one last night again and the draw was still horrible and so was the taste (the little that you could taste). It burns fantastic and by the looks of it, appears to be a quality cigar. Weird.

[44stampede]

I have not tried, but has been said it works from good source...

Soak cigar in cold water for a few seconds. Put immediately in fridge for about a week. The point is to prevent mold & ammonia; fridge takes out the water pretty well. Once completely dry, put in humidor and wait a few weeks until humid and normalized.

Figure, if the cigars are known to be tight, what is the risk? Would love to hear if anybody has tried this.
Have one in the fridge for the experiment. :)

[44stampede]

How the heck do we upload photos?

I have a photobucket account now but can't figure it out!

[Bill86]

How the heck do we upload photos?

I have a photobucket account now but can't figure it out!

Upload the pictures to photobucket. Grab the URL and press the image button

OR

Use image tags


INSERT LINK HERE

[Zeuceone]

or just copy the IMG link that photobucket gives you

[44stampede]

http://photobucket.com/drbrettvn1

Here's hoping...

[44stampede]

Got it I think

[44stampede]

Found out I may get in crap for this one... sorry :( I don't know how to delete.

[pnoon]

Found out I may get in crap for this one... sorry :( I don't know how to delete.

From who and why?

[ysr_racer]

Leave cellophane on the box or no?

When I get singles, if it came with cellophane, I leave it on. But what about a box in a cooler or rubbermaid?

[pnoon]

Leave cellophane on the box or no?

When I get singles, if it came with cellophane, I leave it on. But what about a box in a cooler or rubbermaid?

I would remove the cello if for no other reason than to inspect the contents.
Cello breathes. So it's really not an issue in that regard.

[44stampede]

I would remove the cello if for no other reason than to inspect the contents.
Cello breathes. So it's really not an issue in that regard.
Cello breathes?

[nayslayer]

yeah, cello isn't plastic, put a wrapper in water and see what happens after a bit.

[crazyirishman]

Cello breathes?

Yes they do.

I got a creepy call from a tall stringed instrument once and it didn't say a word. It just breathed into the phone...

Terrible pun, sorry. But yes. Cellophane breathes to a certain extent. Not as much as naked sticks (no comment from the peanut gallery), but it's not entirely airtight I don't think.

But I'm probably wrong.

[jluck]

Have one in the fridge for the experiment. :)

You could just pass them on to fellow BOTL's that would find any means to smoke the "real deal". :D

Forrest (golfnut) sells very nice draw tools, well worth the cost to smoke them CC's