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[Cigar_Noob]

Whats purging? and why would you need to do it?

[Kreth]

Whats purging? and why would you need to do it?
Purging is blowing out through a cigar to purge stale smoke. It can help keep a cigar from tasting bitter.
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[Chris.]

It also helps to remove tar buildup and ammonia flavors.

[Cigar_Noob]

When I used to do Chew I learned that it isn't a good idea to do it if you have a sore in your mouth..or at least that is a open sore, is the same thing true for smoking Cigars?

[longknocker]

When I used to do Chew I learned that it isn't a good idea to do it if you have a sore in your mouth..or at least that is a open sore, is the same thing true for smoking Cigars?

I Wouldn't Smoke If I Had One.:2

[icehog3]

When I used to do Chew I learned that it isn't a good idea to do it if you have a sore in your mouth..or at least that is a open sore, is the same thing true for smoking Cigars?

Stay out of the puff-puff-passes, for sure. ;)

[Cigar_Noob]

Thanks for the answers guys. Anyone willing to tell me the differences between colors of the Cigar wrappers? I noticed there are lighter ones, medium ones, and much darker ones I heard that this kinda shows how strong a Cigar is...any truth to that?

[NCRadioMan]

Thanks for the answers guys. Anyone willing to tell me the differences between colors of the Cigar wrappers? I noticed there are lighter ones, medium ones, and much darker ones I heard that this kinda shows how strong a Cigar is...any truth to that?

This will explain alot: http://zencigar.com/the-art-of-the-cigar/the-definitive-i-hope-cigar-wrapper-guide/

Just because a wrapper is dark doesn't mean it's strong and because a wrapper is light doesn't mean it's not strong. It's the blend of the filler and how much ligero it has in it that determines how strong the cigar is.

[Chingo]

Why won't my cigar stay lit?

I lit up a Taboo HSG tonight, had some trouble in the beginning but eventually got it burning. I then took a slow stroll and it all went downhill. Had to keep relighting and even then would go out, even when I was drawing 2-3 times per minute. I eventually gave up and ended up tossing a bit less than 1/2 because I got tired of relighting it for the 12th time.

What went wrong? Was it the cigar or me?

[NCRadioMan]

Why won't my cigar stay lit?

I lit up a Taboo HSG tonight, had some trouble in the beginning but eventually got it burning. I then took a slow stroll and it all went downhill. Had to keep relighting and even then would go out, even when I was drawing 2-3 times per minute. I eventually gave up and ended up tossing a bit less than 1/2 because I got tired of relighting it for the 12th time.

What went wrong? Was it the cigar or me?

Sounds like it may have been very wet. At what rh do you store your cigars and how long had it been in there?

[Chingo]

Sounds like it may have been very wet. At what rh do you store your cigars and how long had it been in there?

67% according to the digital hygro for about a month now.

[NCRadioMan]

67% according to the digital hygro for about a month now.

hmmm....maybe a construction issue then.?.

[Chingo]

hmmm....maybe a construction issue then.?.

I'm actually suspecting my hygro now since it did read funny when I tried to calibrate it. Thanks for the tip though, I didn't know this was how over-humid cigars behaved!

[wavescrashing]

I'm actually suspecting my hygro now since it did read funny when I tried to calibrate it. Thanks for the tip though, I didn't know this was how over-humid cigars behaved!

I'm not sure how you went about calibrating it, but might I recommend this tutorial regardless of the type of hygrometer(analog/digital): http://www.stogieguys.com/2006/07/stogie-tip-salt-calibration-test.html

The relative humidity, temp., and moisture in your humidor will definitely affect your cigars. If they're too dry, they'll have certain issues such as burning too hot, unraveling, etc. If they're too moist, you might experience a tight draw, having to relight, or even mold.
Your issue could be loosely compared to trying to keep coals hot while barbecuing in the rain. Hope this helps,
Mike

[Cigar_Noob]

How do you get Tobacco Beatles? I read that if you have a bad temp in a humidor you can get Tobacco beatles..but how? I mean...we don't grow tobacco up here in Vermont..so how would I get Tobacco beatles? or is it like..pretty much come with the Cigar?

[longknocker]

How do you get Tobacco Beatles? I read that if you have a bad temp in a humidor you can get Tobacco beatles..but how? I mean...we don't grow tobacco up here in Vermont..so how would I get Tobacco beatles? or is it like..pretty much come with the Cigar?

The Beetle Larvae are in many, if not all, cigars. They "Hatch" into live beetles when the temp and RH get above 75 degrees or so. That's a good reason to keep your RH & Temp. below 70. I've only had one problem with Beetles and that was when the temp. in my storage room got above 75. Some people "Freeze" all their cigars when they receive them just to be sure. Check the "Freezing Cigars" Thread.:tu

[SilverFox]

The Beetle Larvae are in many, if not all, cigars. They "Hatch" into live beetles when the temp and RH get above 75 degrees or so. That's a good reason to keep your RH & Temp. below 70. I've only had one problem with Beetles and that was when the temp. in my storage room got above 75. Some people "Freeze" all their cigars when they receive them just to be sure. Check the "Freezing Cigars" Thread.:tu

:tpd:


If you want to know about freezing your cigars here is the thread.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=7919

[T.G]

How do you get Tobacco Beatles? I read that if you have a bad temp in a humidor you can get Tobacco beatles..but how? I mean...we don't grow tobacco up here in Vermont..so how would I get Tobacco beatles? or is it like..pretty much come with the Cigar?

Here's an article from Cigar Magazine - Summer 2008 issue on beetles.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q6TD74G9

[Cigar_Noob]

Interesting...I wonder how my two Garcia Y Vega cigars are going!! I bought them like..4 days ago...meh...they shouldn't be eating my Cigar :p

[lopro]

So, I finally got a humidor (used) and I tried calibrating the hygrometer.

I found a method online that had me fill a cup with salt and water and put that in with the hygro into a sealed ziploc bag for 8-12 hours.

So, it is now 12 hrs later and my hygro is only reading 65% opposed to the 75% expected. Now, I know that hygro's are generally off by a few percent, but is this large of a deficit normal?

(It IS an analog hygro -- the one that came with the Savoy humi...)

[DPD6030]

So, I finally got a humidor (used) and I tried calibrating the hygrometer.

I found a method online that had me fill a cup with salt and water and put that in with the hygro into a sealed ziploc bag for 8-12 hours.

So, it is now 12 hrs later and my hygro is only reading 65% opposed to the 75% expected. Now, I know that hygro's are generally off by a few percent, but is this large of a deficit normal?

(It IS an analog hygro -- the one that came with the Savoy humi...)

I'd ditch the analog and get a digital :2 I leave it in the bag (I actually use a tupperware dish for better seal) for 24-48 hours and if it does not read 75% then I adjust accordingly. I put a small piece of paper with +1 or -1 (or more depending how far it's off) so I know when I look at the hygro where it actually is reading

[Chingo]

So, I finally got a humidor (used) and I tried calibrating the hygrometer.

I found a method online that had me fill a cup with salt and water and put that in with the hygro into a sealed ziploc bag for 8-12 hours.

So, it is now 12 hrs later and my hygro is only reading 65% opposed to the 75% expected. Now, I know that hygro's are generally off by a few percent, but is this large of a deficit normal?

(It IS an analog hygro -- the one that came with the Savoy humi...)

I sealed my digital and analog hygro in a ziploc bag with a Boveda 75% humi bag. Hours later, my analog read about 60% and my digital 65%. I tried it over and over with different bags and different settings. Looks like both my hygros are way off :td

[T.G]

So, I finally got a humidor (used) and I tried calibrating the hygrometer.

I found a method online that had me fill a cup with salt and water and put that in with the hygro into a sealed ziploc bag for 8-12 hours.

So, it is now 12 hrs later and my hygro is only reading 65% opposed to the 75% expected. Now, I know that hygro's are generally off by a few percent, but is this large of a deficit normal?

(It IS an analog hygro -- the one that came with the Savoy humi...)

Normal? I dunno.

Possible? Definately.

Wait 24 to 48 hours and see what it reads.


Analog hygrometers get a bad rap. Why? Becuase there are more crappy ones sold as part of humidor sets than there are crappy digital ones sold as part of humidor sets. Are they inherently crap? No they aren't. There are plenty of good analog hygrometers out there., yours just might not be one of them.

[DPD6030]

Oh and another note I had Western Calibre III digital ones and then went with the oregon scientific wireless ones.

[longknocker]

I Have 10 of The HygroSet II Adjustable Digital Hygrometers That I've Used For Over 2 years. They Work Perfectly!:tu

[cigarchief]

hello my fellow cigar enthusiast! I am a newbie in this website and I am just so happy to have a lot of cigar friends here.

add me up in my facebook account

http://facebook.com/cigarchief

[RightAJ]

hello my fellow cigar enthusiast! I am a newbie in this website and I am just so happy to have a lot of cigar friends here.

add me up in my facebook account

http://facebook.com/cigarchief

Go visit the New Inmate Processing area, introduce yourself!!

[fyrftr]

Geessh!...Noob's huh :tpd:


See ya ole timer:ss

[lopro]

So, you don't inhale cigarillos either, correct?

Treat it just like a "short-lived" cigar...?

[Chris.]

I dont inhale anything. :tu

[lopro]

that's what I thought...

sounds good.

You still stick them in the humi as well right?

Basically... they are full cigars just smaller... opposed to fancy cigarettes... right?

[Chris.]

yes sir! i've got both Cuchillos Cubanos ~32~ and cabaiguan petites in my humidor. :tu

[Cigar_Noob]

So I told a friend of mine about "purging" and he tried it and said it didn't seem to do anything..that and I saw no flame coming out of the tips like in the pictures...however..maybe that doesn't always happen? whats the proper way of purging?

[T.G]

So I told a friend of mine about "purging" and he tried it and said it didn't seem to do anything..that and I saw no flame coming out of the tips like in the pictures...however..maybe that doesn't always happen? whats the proper way of purging?

Just blow back though the cigar lightly for about 15-25 seconds or so.

The torch flame is optional - it doesn't really make or break the purge, what it really does is give you a visual indicator of when all the crap has burned off. This is both gases and liquid/solids like tar that accumulate just forward of the coal (the burning leaf tips).

Basically, think of a hot stainless steel pan. Now pour oil in it. What happens? The oil skitters away from the actual hot spots and forms a ridge right next to the hot zone. Depending on which way you then move the pan, the oil will skitter either away or toward the heat source. This is what's happening with the tar and crap, between it's own capillary action and you sucking on the cigar, you're pulling this puddle of goop just forward of the coal. Now, it leaves a snail trail and burning this trail tastes like hell. The longer you smoke, the larger the collection of crap, the larger the deposit as it moves. By blowing through the cigar, you're forcing this crap into the coal to be incinerated. As it incinerates itself, it generates gasses that react with the torch flame and cause a glow.

In your friend's case, some cigars just taste like crap and no amount of purging will ever help them, it's possible that he had one of those cigars.

[Cigar_Noob]

How do you tell you only sucked the smoke into your mouth and not your lungs? I smoked my first today..and sucked like a straw...but I couldn't help but feel like maybe I was inhaling it..how are you suppose to tell between inhaling it..and it just feeling like it? or something? haha.

[The EVP]

You will know if you are inhaling it.

[Cigar_Noob]

Let me guess...cough up a lung?

[N2Advnture]

You will know if you are inhaling it.

Beat me to it :D

You will DEFINITELY know. Even cigarette smokers can't usually take inhaling a cigar (maybe a little but not as much as a cigar smoker typically draws into his mouth).

[N2Advnture]

Let me guess...cough up a lung?

To put it mildly :) (depends on the cigar though)

[fyrftr]

I inhaled... ONCE!! (by accident) I could 'Tell' right away.

You'll know.


If you can't tell...you didn't!

[pnoon]

haha

[N2Advnture]

I inhaled... ONCE!! (by accident)...

That's why you'll never be President :D

[fyrftr]

I'm president of my fan club. AND it's only member!

[N2Advnture]

I'm president of my fan club. AND it's only member!

LOL! What's the fee?

[fyrftr]

I pay you :2 PLUS a membership card in a shrink wrapped baggie. :r

[Kreth]

Beat me to it :D

You will DEFINITELY know. Even cigarette smokers can't usually take inhaling a cigar (maybe a little but not as much as a cigar smoker typically draws into his mouth).
:tpd: I gifted a cigarette smoking friend an OWR. He regularly inhales White Owls. One hit off the OWR and I thought we were gonna be taking him to the hospital. :r
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[msilbernagel]

Anyone have experience with or information about the "Internet Smoke Shop"?

They're at www.internetsmokeshop.com

Primary concern is whether or not they're reputable.

Thanks,

Mark

[icehog3]

Anyone have experience with or information about the "Internet Smoke Shop"?

They're at www.internetsmokeshop.com

Primary concern is whether or not they're reputable.

Thanks,

Mark

Never heard of them...but I have issues with an internet retailer who doesn't list an address or phone number under contacts, but merely a form to fill out to get a response. :2

[msilbernagel]

Yes - that's what made me a bit uneasy, so I thought I'd ask around.

I don't find anything regarding complaints with Google, which is good.

With as many people as a forum like this has - either bad or good news should be easy enough to find if it's out there..

Thanks,

Mark
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Never heard of them...but I have issues with an internet retailer who doesn't list an address or phone number under contacts, but merely a form to fill out to get a response. :2

[coastietech]

Never heard of them...but I have issues with an internet retailer who doesn't list an address or phone number under contacts, but merely a form to fill out to get a response. :2

:tpd:

If you see prices that you can't find anywhere else on there than call Holts and tell them the site you found the price and email them proof and they will honor the price most of the time. Atleast the has been my experience with them. :tu

[bobarian]

Anyone have experience with or information about the "Internet Smoke Shop"?

They're at www.internetsmokeshop.com

Primary concern is whether or not they're reputable.

Thanks,

Mark

I see nothing overt that raises a red flag. As Tom said its nice to have a name or number to contact or show legitimacy, but the lack of a storefront does not indicate a fraudulent business.

The prices seem in line with other retailers. Nothing rare or unusual shown as a lure.

As long as you are using a credit card you are protected. The card company will fight your fights if it comes to a fraud issue.

If you see something you want then buy it. :2

[Chris.]

The website looks nice too, which tells me it's not some cheap scam. I can't believe they don't have a contact number listed...

[msilbernagel]

Got this today in response to a query sent using their 'contact' website:

It was sent from 'Cigarz38@aol.com':

"Hello Mr. Silbernagel,

We have been in the retail/wholesale cigar business for the past 11 years. We just recently added to our business in the past 6 months by adding a web site. If you have any further questions or concerns, feel free to email us back.

Thank you & We appreciate your business.

Internet Smoke Shop Sales Department"

[Kreth]

Sounds like a B&M that added an online store. They should really set up e-mail through their domain, though. It looks cheesy to me when an online retailer uses a free e-mail account.
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[pgagnon]

i just got a colibri torch and im wondering if i REALLY need to refill it with Colibri butane. I ask cause i cant seem to find refill detailers that can ship to canada!

[68TriShield]

i just got a colibri torch and im wondering if i REALLY need to refill it with Colibri butane. I ask cause i cant seem to find refill detailers that can ship to canada!

no.

[pgagnon]

any will do? and if not recommandation?

[icehog3]

Lava and Vector seem to be the most highly regarded choices.

[Snake Hips]

any will do? and if not recommandation?
Not any. Any premium stuff (stuff that's been filtered 3-5 times). Avoid regular stuff like Ronson fuel - it can clog the jets on higher-end lighters like your Colibri.

[pgagnon]

yokai! thanks guys

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Hey guys I have had my vino setup for about 1 mth now and I have around 8 boxes in there with about 50 cigars. I have the other ones in my desktop.

question is, I have my temp at 65 degrees, but humidity is at 67-68%. I have 2lbs of beads and 2 oust fans and a 80mm PC fan running on low.

Any idea on why the humidity isn't at 65%? It doesn't really fluctuate much and I do have 65% beads.

[icehog3]

Hygrometer properly calibrated?

[NCRadioMan]

Dry the beads out a bit more to soak up the excess moisture.

:2

[N2Advnture]

Hygrometer properly calibrated?

Beat me to it - lol!

Second suggestion is taking RH readings at various levels as humid air is lighter (less dense) so RH will be higher at the top than the bottom.

I hope this helps

~Mark

[Barteur]

yokai! thanks guys

Patrick, you will find Colibri for couple of dollars in your area, very common in Mtl so must be in QC city.

Any butane will do just make sure its good quality so it dosent clog your lighter.
If you want Colibri and cannot find it, let me know I will send you a bottle.

Have a great one

[MrOneEyedBoh]

They beads are pretty much still over 60% pure white. Only a few are clear.

The hygrometer is maybe is anything1% off. If mark remembers I could not get it exactly to 75% with the salt test. I would get it at 75% and then it would bounce to 76% that fast.

I'll dry the beads out and go from there. .

[pnoon]

They beads are pretty much still over 60% pure white. Only a few are clear.

The hygrometer is maybe is anything1% off. If mark remembers I could not get it exactly to 75% with the salt test. I would get it at 75% and then it would bounce to 76% that fast.

I'll dry the beads out and go from there. .

Bottom line is to ask yourself, "How are my cigars smoking?"
If you are happy with them, then don't sweat the couple of percentage points. Focus less on the numbers and more on the enjoyment of your cigars. (Keep in mind that the hygrometers most of us use are not precision, laboratory grade devices.)

:2

[MrOneEyedBoh]

/\ Deff true. I haven't noticed anything too bad. Sometimes they dont burn as well as I would hope. I have to relight here and there on some cigars.

[T.G]

/\ Deff true. I haven't noticed anything too bad. Sometimes they dont burn as well as I would hope. I have to relight here and there on some cigars.

Yeah, but that might not be due to your humidors. If you are smoking a narrow ring cigar and the humidity is high and you are sipping at it, or you are just smoking slowly, expect relights. It's no big thing.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Ohok, I thought that the way it burned directly correlated to the humidity.

I would assume if the humidity is between 60 and 70 then its ok right? This isnt optimal, but in terms of catastrophic cigar problems ( wetness, splitting ect )

Once again, thanks guys.


EDIT: What is the best way to relight? Sometimes I'll have to relight a smaller RG cigar like you said, I was wondering do I purge it? snip the end?

[T.G]

Ohok, I thought that the way it burned directly correlated to the humidity.

I would assume if the humidity is between 60 and 70 then its ok right? This isnt optimal, but in terms of catastrophic cigar problems ( wetness, splitting ect )

Once again, thanks guys.


EDIT: What is the best way to relight? Sometimes I'll have to relight a smaller RG cigar like you said, I was wondering do I purge it? snip the end?

60-70RH storage humidity is fine. Most of us seem to aim for the lower end of that range, for a few reasons: better draw, usually better burn, most cases more flavors and/or less acidic flavors from burning a wet cigar, less chance of mold.

For relights, just knock the ash off, blow gently through the cigar to purge the stale smoke and then light normally. If it hasn't been out for long, you can skip the purging at your tastes/discression. No need to clip the end unless you are talking about relighting a cigar you started a day ago, at which point you should have clipped the buring end before it went out.

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EDIT: When I said "higher humidity" in my post previous to this, I meant the ambient humidity where you are smoking - sometimes it's hard to keep cigars lit when the weather is damp/high humidity.

[bobarian]

If you are relighting within an hour, then just relight and purge. If its been more than an hour and less than a day I would clip. After a day, throw it out and start over. :2

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Thanks guys! That will help when I'm going to work and cant finish one, I'll clip and relight.

And yeah my area where I live is pretty humid at times. and I too try to aim lower on that RH scale in my humidor but I cant get the vino any lower than 67-66%. Hoping maybe the hygrometer is off a bit, but not my desktop humidor I cant get it to stay at 65%. Its like 63%. Cant win haha.

[T.G]

Thanks guys! That will help when I'm going to work and cant finish one, I'll clip and relight.

And yeah my area where I live is pretty humid at times. and I too try to aim lower on that RH scale in my humidor but I cant get the vino any lower than 67-66%. Hoping maybe the hygrometer is off a bit, but not my desktop humidor I cant get it to stay at 65%. Its like 63%. Cant win haha.

63% is great. :2

I keep my humidors at 60%-62% ish.

[longknocker]

63% is great. :2

I keep my humidors at 60%-62% ish.

Is That For All Your Cigars, Or Just CCs?

[T.G]

Is That For All Your Cigars, Or Just CCs?

All.

I've found that for my tastes and less troublesome burns, 60%-62%-ish works great.:2

[Chris.]

I like my cigars at 65%

[Chingo]

All.

I've found that for my tastes and less troublesome burns, 60%-62%-ish works great.:2

Then how low is too low of RH? I thought 70% was the generally accepted ideal. I was about to post a question regarding why my humi won't stay at 70% (hovers around 65%) but maybe that won't be a problem afterall?

[SilverFox]

Then how low is too low of RH? I thought 70% was the generally accepted ideal. I was about to post a question regarding why my humi won't stay at 70% (hovers around 65%) but maybe that won't be a problem afterall?

I have experimented with my RH over the years and after a recent stint at 70% (I had brought all my sticks up to 70% for around 6 months) I find that I have far too many smoking problems at that RH, also I found the higher RH to contribute to increased tar buildup in my sticks making the final third or so a bit harsh (nothing empirical to support this however)

After my Aristocrat arrived on Sept 11 I moved my RH back to 65% and have been very very happy there, it will remain my RH standard.

[Snake Hips]

Then how low is too low of RH? I thought 70% was the generally accepted ideal. I was about to post a question regarding why my humi won't stay at 70% (hovers around 65%) but maybe that won't be a problem afterall?
70% is generally cited as the ideal, but a lot of hobbyists who've tinkered have found lower humidity levels to be better. I also prefer 65% RH. Too low is up to the individual. There are some who keep their cigars at 55-60%, but that's the lowest I've ever heard. Lower than 55% would be problematic as a generalization.

[icehog3]

70% is generally cited as the ideal, but a lot of hobbyists who've tinkered have found lower humidity levels to be better. I also prefer 65% RH. Too low is up to the individual. There are some who keep their cigars at 55-60%, but that's the lowest I've ever heard. Lower than 55% would be problematic as a generalization.

Many say that 70% is preferred for non-Cuban cigars, and 65% for Cubans. I found my NCs also smoked better at the lower humidity. I keep mine at 62%.

[Snake Hips]

Many say that 70% is preferred for non-Cuban cigars, and 65% for Cubans. I found my NCs also smoked better at the lower humidity. I keep mine at 62%.
I've found the same. Which is why it's taste more than science :)

[icehog3]

I've found the same. Which is why it's taste more than science :)

Agreed. :)

[Joseywales]

I shoot for the higher end 70-73% for long term storage. I started with a desktop and now keep the desktop at 65ish, because they'll be my "smokers" for the short term.

[pnoon]

I shoot for the higher end 70-73% for long term storage. I started with a desktop and now keep the desktop at 65ish, because they'll be my "smokers" for the short term.

IMO you're at risk for mold. Storage in that range of RH puts you in the minority, for sure.
But do whatever works for you.

[Jbailey]

I will agree with some of the above posters, I keep both coolers around 65%. So far so good!

[NCRadioMan]

IMO you're at risk for mold. Storage in that range of RH puts you in the minority, for sure.
But do whatever works for you.

Agreed. Most that I know store in the mid 50's to mid 60's for long term storage, including me. Anything around 70 and above just invites mold, imo.

[Whynot]

I keep my Acids in a separate humi, but what is the consensus on Naturals and their ilk?

[Chris.]

If I'm not mistaken, all drew estate cigars are infused in some way, so it is best to keep them separate. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[pnoon]

If I'm not mistaken, all drew estate cigars are infused in some way, so it is best to keep them separate. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

+1

[Snake Hips]

If I'm not mistaken, all drew estate cigars are infused in some way, so it is best to keep them separate. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
The Natural line is not infused - it only employs blends of odd tobaccos. The Liga Privada and La Herencia Cubana aren't infused either.

[Chris.]

I forget that drew estate makes the liga privada. Basically, any infused or flavored cigar needs to stay in a separate humi from 'regular' cigars.

[Whynot]

It seems some of my taste in cigars are against the grain and trashy. :D
I guess I look at it like beer, I love micro brews and a good German/Belgium, but I can thoroughly enjoy a bud light as well.:tu

[Chingo]

It seems some of my taste in cigars are against the grain and trashy. :D
I guess I look at it like beer, I love micro brews and a good German/Belgium, but I can thoroughly enjoy a bud light as well.:tu

Funny you say that as I see you are in Iraq. Someone once mentioned here that it seems troops love Acids. When I was there this past year I had a buddy that smoked nothing but Acids. To each their own I guess :D.

Stay safe!

[Whynot]

Funny you say that as I see you are in Iraq. Someone once mentioned here that it seems troops love Acids. When I was there this past year I had a buddy that smoked nothing but Acids. To each their own I guess :D.

Stay safe!

I liked Acids alot more when I was a 1-2 pack-a-day Marlboro Red smoker, now they are just too damn sweet for everyday use, but I still enjoy an occasional. I do like some of the Naturals as well. I also like several of the Gurkhas, which seems to be a "raging" debate around here.:ss

[T.G]

The Natural line is not infused - it only employs blends of odd tobaccos. The Liga Privada and La Herencia Cubana aren't infused either.

Chateau Real and the La Vieja Habana are also not infused.

Some of the tobacco used in the rolling of the Natural line is tobacco that would have eventually become pipe tobacco, had they not arrested the curing process partway though the casing. The remainder is just "untreated" / normal tobacco.

[iRiSh]

ive just recieved a box of chairman cigars but i dont have a cutter to cut them as they have a ring gague of 60.

does anyone have any ideas on how to cut them succesfully with out ruining them?

having 25 of them i would be as well to buy a cutter, ive searched ebay over here and most of them are for 22mm max cigars. any links for cheapish ones

thanking you in advance

[CigarNut]

ive just recieved a box of chairman cigars but i dont have a cutter to cut them as they have a ring gague of 60.

does anyone have any ideas on how to cut them succesfully with out ruining them?

having 25 of them i would be as well to buy a cutter, ive searched ebay over here and most of them are for 22mm max cigars. any links for cheapish ones

thanking you in advanceI have a cutter like this one and it cuts large ring gauges just fine: http://www.cigarsinternational.com/prodDisp.asp?item=M-DB12-T&cat=13

[bobarian]

Take one of the cigars with you to a local shop and check the cutters. Most likely the RG of the cap is slightly less than 60rg. You can also use a very sharp knife or a razor blade(be careful) to cut your cigars. Or there is always caveman style, just bite off the cap! :2

[Scottw]

ive just recieved a box of chairman cigars but i dont have a cutter to cut them as they have a ring gague of 60.

does anyone have any ideas on how to cut them succesfully with out ruining them?

having 25 of them i would be as well to buy a cutter, ive searched ebay over here and most of them are for 22mm max cigars. any links for cheapish ones

thanking you in advance

How about using a punch?

[Zanaspus]

ive just recieved a box of chairman cigars but i dont have a cutter to cut them as they have a ring gague of 60.

does anyone have any ideas on how to cut them succesfully with out ruining them?

having 25 of them i would be as well to buy a cutter, ive searched ebay over here and most of them are for 22mm max cigars. any links for cheapish ones

thanking you in advance

What kind of cutter do you have? Even cutters made for smaller RG sticks can be used to cut fatter sticks. Wedge the end in there and "shave" what littel cap you can. Alternatively, a punch works on any large RG.

[SilverFox]

ive just recieved a box of chairman cigars but i dont have a cutter to cut them as they have a ring gague of 60.

does anyone have any ideas on how to cut them succesfully with out ruining them?

having 25 of them i would be as well to buy a cutter, ive searched ebay over here and most of them are for 22mm max cigars. any links for cheapish ones

thanking you in advance

You could also just use a knife.

CUTTING CIGARS WITH A KNIFE (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9880)

[Whynot]

I bought a cheap 3 finger case that came with a swiss army knife that had some cigar scissors on them. I think the biggest I have cut was a 56, but they look like they could handle much larger. Check out some scissors.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

I started a thread I had some questions in but I'll post it here.

the color of the smoke. I've seen smoke yellow-ish, smoke with a blue tint, and gray smoke. what does the color of the smoke indicate? does that have a relation to the strength or taste/flavors you'll experience?

[icehog3]

I have never noticed any correlation between the color of the smoke in relation to the flavor or strength of a cigar.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

What does the smoke color indicate? the age of the tobacco or maybe quality?

[icehog3]

What does the smoke color indicate? the age of the tobacco or maybe quality?

My opinion?

Absolutely nothing.

[T.G]

What does the smoke color indicate? the age of the tobacco or maybe quality?

Same thing as any other burning material, it's combustion qualities that's all.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

oh. Alright. Thanks

[icehog3]

Oh. You're welcome.

[T.G]

Oh. You're welcome.

oh. LOL.

[mosesbotbol]

I've seen smoke yellow-ish, smoke with a blue tint, and gray smoke. what does the color of the smoke indicate? does that have a relation to the strength or taste/flavors you'll experience?

Yellow smoke I would stay away from.

[bobarian]

Yellow smoke I would stay away from.

Yellow snow I can understand.;s But what does yellow smoke indicate?

[iRiSh]

Take one of the cigars with you to a local shop and check the cutters. Most likely the RG of the cap is slightly less than 60rg. You can also use a very sharp knife or a razor blade(be careful) to cut your cigars. Or there is always caveman style, just bite off the cap! :2

How about using a punch?

What kind of cutter do you have? Even cutters made for smaller RG sticks can be used to cut fatter sticks. Wedge the end in there and "shave" what littel cap you can. Alternatively, a punch works on any large RG.

You could also just use a knife.

CUTTING CIGARS WITH A KNIFE (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9880)


thanks for the advice, im looking at getting a large scissors like this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fashion-Round-Head-Blade-Cigar-Cutter-Scissor-Smoking_W0QQitemZ260466243334QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK _Collectables_Tobacciana_Smoking_LE?hash=item3ca4f f7706

[mosesbotbol]

Yellow snow I can understand.;s But what does yellow smoke indicate?

Bolivian flake is mixed in.


In all seriousness, I do not know what yellow smoke in a cigar would mean, but I have never ever seen yellowish smoke coming from a cigar. Most likely it would be a mineral or chemical whithin the cigar that burns yellow.

[bobarian]

That makes sense. I have only seen gray or bluish gray smoke from my cigars.

[T.G]

Lighting tends to play a big factor in what color the smoke appears.

At dawn and dusk, a light gray or white smoke will often appear yellowish or slightly amber in color.

[Chris.]

I've seen white, gray, brown, slightly blue. I think it depends on the intensity of your puffs and how close together they are. And if the cigar is maduro or not. ;)

[Snake Hips]

The only thing I've ever noticed was where it was coming from. The smoke from my mouth and what's coming from the head is a different color than the smoke emanating from the foot. Just different things in the smoke I guess.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

The light thing makes sense.

Another one is, I thought at some point on here I seen a "Flavor Wheel" or something similar for cigar flavors. Does anyone know where I can get that at?

Also, on my way home from work I smoke. And I was wondering, how does one get these flavors out of a cigar? What makes tobacco taste like flowers ect? Like what mechanics in the tobacco give it that flavor? Tobacco does not taste like flowers, ya know?

[theonlybear4CORT]

http://www.milfordtobaccoshop.com/images/cigarwheel.gif

[MrOneEyedBoh]

/\ I think that is it. Thanks.

[Kreth]

Also, on my way home from work I smoke. And I was wondering, how does one get these flavors out of a cigar? What makes tobacco taste like flowers ect? Like what mechanics in the tobacco give it that flavor? Tobacco does not taste like flowers, ya know?
There's a few variables: type of tobacco, the curing/fermenting process, and where it was grown (mineral content of the soil can affect the flavor).
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[dragon0708]

Why do some newly purchased cigars seem to be a little wet and difficult to smoke? What is the easiest way to dry them out? Put them on the corner for a few days or just leave them in the humi for several weeks before smoking?

[AD720]

Why do some newly purchased cigars seem to be a little wet and difficult to smoke? What is the easiest way to dry them out? Put them on the corner for a few days or just leave them in the humi for several weeks before smoking?

A lot of vendors will ship wet in, what I guess, is an effort to make sure they don't dry out in transit.

IMHO the best thing to do is to leave them in your humi and let them slowly acclimate as going from dry to wet or wet to dry really rapidly can cause cracked wrappers and other burn problems.

Try draw testing your smokes before lighting them. If you pull it out, clip it and it doesn't draw put it back in the humi or dry box for a day or two.

[dragon0708]

I never thought about putting the cigar back into the humi if the draw is still tight. I will try that. Thanks for the advise. :D

[muhren]

So, I seem to have amassed a great deal of cigars and can't smoke them as often as I like withe the cold weather. Here is the question!

Best way to store and separate them so the flavors mingle 'correctly'?

i.e. by wrapper type, by brand, by wrapper country, Puros together? etc.

I don't want an anejo picking up some CI legend flavor because its sitting next to it.

Let me know please!

Thanks!

M

[Snake Hips]

So, I seem to have amassed a great deal of cigars and can't smoke them as often as I like withe the cold weather. Here is the question!

Best way to store and separate them so the flavors mingle 'correctly'?

i.e. by wrapper type, by brand, by wrapper country, Puros together? etc.

I don't want an anejo picking up some CI legend flavor because its sitting next to it.

Let me know please!

Thanks!

M
I wouldn't worry about it. Flavor "mingling" is either entirely mythical or requires decades to happen. Cigars won't adopt the attributes of cigars in close proximity to them; I have trouble believing that flavor can be carried through air before the stuff is even burned, or transferred by contact.

[NCRadioMan]

So, I seem to have amassed a great deal of cigars and can't smoke them as often as I like withe the cold weather. Here is the question!

Best way to store and separate them so the flavors mingle 'correctly'?

i.e. by wrapper type, by brand, by wrapper country, Puros together? etc.

I don't want an anejo picking up some CI legend flavor because its sitting next to it.

Let me know please!

Thanks!

M
May I ask where you got this false info?

[dragon0708]

How about an Acid Kuba Kuba or Cold Fusion Ice Tea with the rest of your smokes in a humi? I have all my Acid cigars in a separate humi from all others.

[CigarNut]

How about an Acid Kuba Kuba or Cold Fusion Ice Tea with the rest of your smokes in a humi? I have all my Acid cigars in a separate humi from all others.Infused cigars should be stored away from "regular" cigars.

[muhren]

May I ask where you got this false info?

The false info being what?

[icehog3]

The false info being what?

That cigar flavors "mingle", with the exception (the time it is true) being infused cigars.

[muhren]

Excuse my simpleton reference here...I have been smoking for years (LOW quantity) and have since started to really taste the flavors profiles in the cigars. I went to the library and borrowed 'A complete Idiot's Guide to Cigars' An idiot has gotta start somewhere! :tu

As it turns out, I should have read ahead! I was stuck in concept from Page 160:
"The cigars in the marrying room are packed closely together so that they have a chance to share flavors and mellow with hundreds of nearby stogies!"

As it turns out...this is during the aging process prior to being packaged. It is part of the 'marrying time' The author suggests that by the time it gets to me, the aging and flavors have already been completed.

I'm just digging into the book...it makes me feel good to own some quality cigars. I suggest picking up a copy! BUT, read it completely first before asking questions. :ss

M

[icehog3]

No worries, Mike, lots of people learn from the questions posed here, not just the person asking, so you might have done others a service. :)

[DavenportESQ]

Is it True, if you don't use it you loose it?

[icehog3]

Is it True, if you don't use it you loose it?

Actually if you don't use it, you lose it. Loose is more like the way that mumu fits you. ;)

[muhren]

I have just finished 'The Complete Idiot's Guide to Cigars' AND

I'm looking for another good resource book. I signed up for the Pearlman '09 version of another thread, but can any vets recommend another good read with some specifics on location and/or geography and the flavors they can impart?

Thanks!

M

[T.G]

I have just finished 'The Complete Idiot's Guide to Cigars' AND

I'm looking for another good resource book. I signed up for the Pearlman '09 version of another thread, but can any vets recommend another good read with some specifics on location and/or geography and the flavors they can impart?

Thanks!

M

Perelman's Cigar Cyclopedia is more of a statistical referance than anything else. While it does have some other information in it, it's main purpose is to simply list current production cigars, their sizes, the country of manufacture, the countries of tobacco origin for the cigar and some manufacturing notes on the cigar. It's not really much of a flavor guide.

Rather than another book, is to take Perelman's and look up the cigars you are smoking and see what the tobacco origins are for those cigars. Eventually, you'll start tasting some similarities and patterns. But, keep in mind, that there are many variables in tobacco growing and simply changing something as mundane as afternoon shadows on the tobacco plant can make two pieces of tobacco grown only a few miles apart taste radically different.

[NCRadioMan]

I have just finished 'The Complete Idiot's Guide to Cigars' AND

I'm looking for another good resource book. I signed up for the Pearlman '09 version of another thread, but can any vets recommend another good read with some specifics on location and/or geography and the flavors they can impart?

Thanks!

M

The Ultimate Cigar Book by Richard Hacker. It's a damn good read.

http://richardcarletonhacker.com/cigarbooks.html

[MrOneEyedBoh]

On cigars that crack. Can a cigar crack when smoking if its rolled too tightly? The cigar I smoked today started to crack about 1/3 of the way Into It. Like all over as the cigar burned down. its weird because it from my vino 65 temp and 65 rh with the usual fluctuations as it cycles. I have pulled other smokes from the vino and no problems. Could a thin wrapper cause it to be ultra fragile and be more prone to cracking?

[Chris.]

I think it might have more to do with temp changes and thin wrappers. Maybe it got bumped in that particular spot during boxing? Were you smoking it outdoors?

[Snake Hips]

On cigars that crack. Can a cigar crack when smoking if its rolled too tightly? The cigar I smoked today started to crack about 1/3 of the way Into It. Like all over as the cigar burned down. its weird because it from my vino 65 temp and 65 rh with the usual fluctuations as it cycles. I have pulled other smokes from the vino and no problems. Could a thin wrapper cause it to be ultra fragile and be more prone to cracking?
Where were you smoking it? This happens a lot when the ambient air where you're smoking is really dry; the tobacco toward the burning end expands (you can see this if you look at a cigar you've been smoking, particular thin and/or box-pressed cigars - they get larger toward the burning end) and the wrapper gets dried out quickly in the dry air and tends to crack.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

/\ yep. It looked like it was flared at the end. I was driving in my car and it was cold out. I had the heat on but low and the window cracked.

And the wrapper looked pretty thin compared to some other ones I've smoked.

[Perfecto]

Alright.....well kick me stupid! I just found you guys and would like to elbow in and mingle with the crowd. I not only like to smoke gars but I also like to dibble in trading off a few here and there to help support mine and yours addiction. So I'm looking for the WTB/WTS section for damn good cigars and I know I'm being over looked. I go to the rules section for the retailers and find this..... Default Rules for this room
This is a hobby board. We have WTB/WTS sections for members to transact business in and they should not post here ..... unless told to do so by the admin team based upon the nature of their participation.
So where is it located?
I can see them for coffee..tea and pipes but no gars!

OK start kicking..........

[NCRadioMan]

Alright.....well kick me stupid! I just found you guys and would like to elbow in and mingle with the crowd. I not only like to smoke gars but I also like to dibble in trading off a few here and there to help support mine and yours addiction. So I'm looking for the WTB/WTS section for damn good cigars and I know I'm being over looked. I go to the rules section for the retailers and find this..... Default Rules for this room
This is a hobby board. We have WTB/WTS sections for members to transact business in and they should not post here ..... unless told to do so by the admin team based upon the nature of their participation.
So where is it located?
I can see them for coffee..tea and pipes but no gars!

OK start kicking..........

Hang around, post a little bit and get the feel of the place and get to know some members and all kinds of doors will open. :tu

[icehog3]

Alright.....well kick me stupid! I just found you guys and would like to elbow in and mingle with the crowd. I not only like to smoke gars but I also like to dibble in trading off a few here and there to help support mine and yours addiction. So I'm looking for the WTB/WTS section for damn good cigars and I know I'm being over looked. I go to the rules section for the retailers and find this..... Default Rules for this room
This is a hobby board. We have WTB/WTS sections for members to transact business in and they should not post here ..... unless told to do so by the admin team based upon the nature of their participation.
So where is it located?
I can see them for coffee..tea and pipes but no gars!

OK start kicking..........

You will see it soon with a little participation and patience. Remember when you do get access, there is no buying, selling or trading of Cuban cigars at Cigar Asylum. Welcome and enjoy your stay, it's a great place to hang out.

[Ranger_B]

Alright.....well kick me stupid! I just found you guys and would like to elbow in and mingle with the crowd. I not only like to smoke gars but I also like to dibble in trading off a few here and there to help support mine and yours addiction.

Welcome to the asylum. You might want to take a gander at the NST. Here is the link:
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14254 . Correct me if I am out of line here TOE but the whole purpose behind this one is to build some experience and some trader feedback. As you will see the longer you are here this is a great place to sample and share yours and others experience in this hobby of ours.

[icehog3]

Welcome to the asylum. You might want to take a gander at the NST. Here is the link:
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14254 . Correct me if I am out of line here TOE but the whole purpose behind this one is to build some experience and some trader feedback. As you will see the longer you are here this is a great place to sample and share yours and others experience in this hobby of ours.

You're not out of line, Frank, thanks for the assist. :)

[Perfecto]

I like it already.........I feel like trap doors are everywhere......I think I feel Ninja mode coming on!
Hey.. thanks for quick responses guys.

Puff on........

[Perfecto]

Welcome to the asylum. You might want to take a gander at the NST. Here is the link:
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14254 . Correct me if I am out of line here TOE but the whole purpose behind this one is to build some experience and some trader feedback. As you will see the longer you are here this is a great place to sample and share yours and others experience in this hobby of ours.

It's all so confusing........Pictures...I need pictures in the instructions!

[Ranger_B]

Sorry Dave have not found the dry erase mode here yet so pictures are hard to come by. Lets try step by step. Have you checked out this portion of the forum: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7 ? If you haven't you may want to start there. Once there try posting a quick intro telling us about you and your smoking preferences Types of smokes i.e. strength, brand size etc. Then go over and get started on the NST that gator has going. This is a great spot to jump in feet first with trading and interacting with members on this board. Hope this helps. Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have anymore questions.

[Coach Deg]

What would gorillia fingers be? Bad smokes, cheap smokes, maduros, or big cigars? Heard the term mentioned and was wondering the meaning.

[icehog3]

What would gorillia fingers be? Bad smokes, cheap smokes, maduros, or big cigars? Heard the term mentioned and was wondering the meaning.

They are cigars by Lars Tetens, and have a reputation for being pretty nasty.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6701

[Perfecto]

Sorry Dave have not found the dry erase mode here yet so pictures are hard to come by. Lets try step by step. Have you checked out this portion of the forum: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7 ? If you haven't you may want to start there. Once there try posting a quick intro telling us about you and your smoking preferences Types of smokes i.e. strength, brand size etc. Then go over and get started on the NST that gator has going. This is a great spot to jump in feet first with trading and interacting with members on this board. Hope this helps. Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have anymore questions.

Thanks Frank......
Let me do some nosin around and see what I can get into.

[rlmedic]

Sorry Dave have not found the dry erase mode here yet so pictures are hard to come by. Lets try step by step. Have you checked out this portion of the forum: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7 ? If you haven't you may want to start there. Once there try posting a quick intro telling us about you and your smoking preferences Types of smokes i.e. strength, brand size etc. Then go over and get started on the NST that gator has going. This is a great spot to jump in feet first with trading and interacting with members on this board. Hope this helps. Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have anymore questions.

I made it through my first trade with the gator alive and now waiting my two weeks to do it again...and waiting for the "secret" places to open:)

[drunkentester]

I have a total noobie smoking question. Why do I tend to get a "ammonia-like" taste in all the cigars I smoke once I get close to the last third of my cigars? Is it a storage issue or is it a smoking issue? Am I smoking too fast?

Thanks,

--Dennis

[Snake Hips]

I have a total noobie smoking question. Why do I tend to get a "ammonia-like" taste in all the cigars I smoke once I get close to the last third of my cigars? Is it a storage issue or is it a smoking issue? Am I smoking too fast?

Thanks,

--Dennis
I think it's a taste issue. I rarely smoke my cigars farther down than an inch and a half left, because it tastes bitter and nasty at that point. I never nub cigars.

[CigarNut]

Younger cigars may have more ammonia in them as a byproduct of the fermentation process. Aging cigars in your humidor is the best way to eliminate the ammonia.

[coastietech]

I have a total noobie smoking question. Why do I tend to get a "ammonia-like" taste in all the cigars I smoke once I get close to the last third of my cigars? Is it a storage issue or is it a smoking issue? Am I smoking too fast?

Thanks,

--Dennis

It could be because you are smoking to fast and there is an abundance of tar and stale smoke build up.

Try smoking slower and see if that fixes it, also when you start to notice it purge the cigar (blow out through the cigar) to get rid of the stale smoke and freshen it up a little.

[Ranger_B]

Depending on your cigars it may just be that they are too young. Cigars as they age put off ammonia odors/flavors. I tend to taste this more in CC than NC.

[drunkentester]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I don't know if I'm smoking too fast, but I tend to draw once every minute or so. I'm mainly smoking NC, like rocky patel, la aurora, cao, etc. I always assumed that most NC are pretty much ready to smoke off the shelves, and don't really necessarily need much aging.

--Dennis

[Chris.]

I have only liked one or two RP cigars. Most of his stuff is junk.

[T.G]

I always assumed that most NC are pretty much ready to smoke off the shelves, and don't really necessarily need much aging.


Generally speaking, most NCs are ready to go when you get them, but there are some exceptions. Some even fall flat on their faces when aged.

[nayslayer]

I have a total noobie smoking question. Why do I tend to get a "ammonia-like" taste in all the cigars I smoke once I get close to the last third of my cigars? Is it a storage issue or is it a smoking issue? Am I smoking too fast?

Thanks,

--Dennis

Anytime my stogie starts to get like that, I purge it as well. Just blow through the cigar enough to clear out old smoke and to burn a little of the nasties away..10 seconds is probably more than enought time, sometimes all you need is a quick 2 second purge

[Chris.]

IMO, purging sometiems ruins the cigar's flavor. I used to be big on purging until recently. Lately it seems that if I purge it once, I'm constantly having to purge, it messes the burn up, and it loses all the good flavors that I could pick up before the purge.

[icehog3]

IMO, purging sometiems ruins the cigar's flavor. I used to be big on purging until recently. Lately it seems that if I purge it once, I'm constantly having to purge, it messes the burn up, and it loses all the good flavors that I could pick up before the purge.

I do purge occassionally, you learn when it is prudent and when it is not through experience. I would certainly not recommend purging a cigar for 10 seconds though, this could heat the cigar up too much and negatively affect the flavor. A quick burst is plenty when warranted. :2 Chris is right though, unnecessary purging is probably not the best idea.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Can tubos be stored outside of the humidor? It seems to me that it would be pointless to leave them in the humidor as they are sealed in an aluminum tube and the humidity is locked in. The only issue would be heat. I guess as long as it doesnt get over 70 or so they should be alright, right?

[icehog3]

It is not a perfect seal. They will be ok longer than a non-tubos cigar out of a humidor, but not ok indefinitely.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Like years? Months?

[Smokin Gator]

Aluminum tubos aren't really sealed. Air will still be exchanged and the humidity will change. I wouldn't leave a tubo out more that a few days if at all.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Ohok, I was reading on here or another forum and they said someone from habanos said that it would last 7 years out of a humidor. Crazy I know, thats why I came here to double check.

So Im guessing the main point of them is for gifting/ease of transporting?

[Chris.]

I reuse tubos as single carriers, when I know I'm just going to smoke one cigar. Or they are good to put cigars in that you plan to give away(for safe transport).

[NCRadioMan]

Like years? Months?

I wouldn't risk more than a month. I dry box for that long with no problems.

:2

[Smokin Gator]

So Im guessing the main point of them is for gifting/ease of transporting?

That has always been my feeling... but then again what do I know!!!:r:r If I take it out of the humi the life expectancy is pretty short!!

[MrOneEyedBoh]

/\ haah. Well thanks guys.

[Chingo]

How often do you guys that use Heartfelt beads have to recharge them? I don't remember the exact numbers, but I bought a 75% tube that's rated for over twice the volume of my small humidor. I have to recharge it about once a week and the humidity never goes past 62% or so. Is this abnormal? Or just a consequence of living in Southern California?

[Whee]

How often do you guys that use Heartfelt beads have to recharge them? I don't remember the exact numbers, but I bought a 75% tube that's rated for over twice the volume of my small humidor. I have to recharge it about once a week and the humidity never goes past 62% or so. Is this abnormal? Or just a consequence of living in Southern California?

I live in high summer humidity/low winter humidity area. From May to October, I may recharge once or twice. In the winter, once a month in my desktops. Maybe every other month in my cooler if that.

Are you recharging because of what reading you are getting? or the colors of the beads?

[bobarian]

How often do you guys that use Heartfelt beads have to recharge them? I don't remember the exact numbers, but I bought a 75% tube that's rated for over twice the volume of my small humidor. I have to recharge it about once a week and the humidity never goes past 62% or so. Is this abnormal? Or just a consequence of living in Southern California?

This sounds like a leaky humidor. You can check the seal with a small flashlight if you dont have a glass top box. Otherwise a dollar bill can be used around the edges to check if the seal is tight. If you find a spot where the bill slips loosely, that is where you have a leak. Masking or painters tape can be used to build up the edge where it is leaking.

You also should calibrate your hygrometer if you have not done so recently. :2

[Chingo]

I live in high summer humidity/low winter humidity area. From May to October, I may recharge once or twice. In the winter, once a month in my desktops. Maybe every other month in my cooler if that.

Are you recharging because of what reading you are getting? or the colors of the beads?

Color of the beads. It doesn't get past the low 60's when soaking wet. I calibrated my hygro not too long ago because I suspected it was screwing up. I will check for leaks however.

[bobarian]

Put your smokes, beads and hygrometer in a tupperware container. This should confirm both the Rh of the beads and the accuracy of the hygrometer, while you check the humidor for leaks. What kind of beads are you using?

[Chingo]

Put your smokes, beads and hygrometer in a tupperware container. This should confirm both the Rh of the beads and the accuracy of the hygrometer, while you check the humidor for leaks. What kind of beads are you using?

I'm using the 70% (not 75% as I said before) Heartfelt beads. I did the tupperware test a while ago and the hygro was spot on. I haven't checked for leaks before though. I will do that tomorrow when I'm home.

[JohnnyFlake]

Can tubos be stored outside of the humidor? It seems to me that it would be pointless to leave them in the humidor as they are sealed in an aluminum tube and the humidity is locked in. The only issue would be heat. I guess as long as it doesnt get over 70 or so they should be alright, right?

Aluminum Tubos are very poorly sealed. Of course the cigars within will last longer than those that are not if left in the open. From experiences in the past and from other discussions, I would not allow them to be out of a humidor for more than two weeks, maybe three weeks tops.

Glass Tubos, for the most part provide a much better seal, and will keep the cigar in good condition, outside of a humidor for a month or even two, but I wouldn't push it much longer than that! Be sure to check out the seal on the style of glass tubo in question, because a few styles are very poorly sealed. It should be obvious upon inspection which styles have the better seals.

[Pauly Walnuts]

I got all these empty Cigar boxes from when my Aunt used to work at a Tobacco shop, too bad i was too young to smoke in those days otherwise she coulda got me mad discounts. anyway the point of this is wondering if anyone collects these things or just pitches em, cause i got a bunch and dont really need em.

[T.G]

I got all these empty Cigar boxes from when my Aunt used to work at a Tobacco shop, too bad i was too young to smoke in those days otherwise she coulda got me mad discounts. anyway the point of this is wondering if anyone collects these things or just pitches em, cause i got a bunch and dont really need em.

Save 'em, use them to store multiple singles and 5'ers of cigars you don't have boxes for in your coolerdor.

[icehog3]

Save 'em, use them to store multiple singles and 5'ers of cigars you don't have boxes for in your coolerdor.

:tpd:

You will need them as you slide down the slope. ;)

[Pauly Walnuts]

Save 'em, use them to store multiple singles and 5'ers of cigars you don't have boxes for in your coolerdor.

:tpd:

You will need them as you slide down the slope. ;)

Hhaha arite will do, thanks guys. If anyone needs some in teh mean time hit me up.

[Pauly Walnuts]

I was contacted by a member askin me to check out his Newbie sampler for sale, but it wont let me view it. What is the criteria for being able to view his thread in that part of the forum? I already have 100 posts so it couldnt be that...

[icehog3]

I was contacted by a member askin me to check out his Newbie sampler for sale, but it wont let me view it. What is the criteria for being able to view his thread in that part of the forum? I already have 100 posts so it couldnt be that...

Time is a factor too...patience, my friend.

Just PM him back and ask him for the details via PM.

[Pauly Walnuts]

Yes patience is a virtue, and by you not telling me how much time, Im probably gonna have to have alot of it. lol

[icehog3]

Yes patience is a virtue, and by you not telling me how much time, Im probably gonna have to have alot of it. lol

Yup, not something we advertise. ;)

[MrOneEyedBoh]

In that MRN book, I seen he said that the cigars are not able to be aged once a SLB cab is opened up for inspection, or something like that. Is that totally true?

[icehog3]

In that MRN book, I seen he said that the cigars are not able to be aged once a SLB cab is opened up for inspection, or something like that. Is that totally true?

Where does he say that? (Page number).

Completely false.

[Pauly Walnuts]

Why keep the ash as long as possible?

[Chris.]

Some believe the ash helps to mellow the flavors of the cigar down a little and keep the burn straight. I always knock it off around 1" anyways.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Where does he say that? (Page number).

Completely false.

I seen someone on that over at puff.com I'll see if I can dig it up/

[MrOneEyedBoh]

I found it here at cA forums.

http://forums.cigaraficionado.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7666095/m/846102093

Its in there somewhere, im going to read all of the posts now.


Here is the quote " I do believe he is referring to aging and not breaking the seal on the boxes. the varnished boxes slow any air exchanging while the paper boxes let fresh air in and out quickly.

"While aging cigars, once the seal has been broken, they all become the same." I believe that MRN said that in his book.

Ive seen more talk about that on other forums, but I cannot find it. Any info on that?

[icehog3]

"While aging cigars, once the seal has been broken, they all become the same." I believe that MRN said that in his book.


Complete crap. :2

[longknocker]

I found it here at cA forums.

http://forums.cigaraficionado.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7666095/m/846102093

Its in there somewhere, im going to read all of the posts now.


Here is the quote " I do believe he is referring to aging and not breaking the seal on the boxes. the varnished boxes slow any air exchanging while the paper boxes let fresh air in and out quickly.

"While aging cigars, once the seal has been broken, they all become the same." I believe that MRN said that in his book.

Ive seen more talk about that on other forums, but I cannot find it. Any info on that?

I Agree With Tom. Cigars Change In Flavor, Texture, Etc, "Daily" . How Can They "Become The Same"???:confused:

[14holestogie]

I Agree With Tom. Cigars Change In Flavor, Texture, Etc, "Daily" . How Can They "Become The Same"???:confused:

Perhaps they were trying to say once the box is opened (or removed from the box) they all age at the same pace. :confused:

[longknocker]

Perhaps they were trying to say once the box is opened (or removed from the box) they all age at the same pace. :confused:

That Seems Like "Common Sense", Though, Tim. I'm Still :confused:

[icehog3]

I just read Mr. Nee's thoughts on aging and on packaging. No where does he state that unsealing or opening an SLB will stop the cigar from aging. In fact, he says that exposing cigars to oxygen will actually cause them to ferment and age more quickly, though he does opine that cigars that are devoid of oxygen or breathing will age more "beautifully", albiet more slowly.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

huh, wonder why that member was talking about that? Is it somewhere else?

[icehog3]

huh, wonder why that member was talking about that? Is it somewhere else?

Not in Min Ron Nee's book as far as I can see.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Well good to go then. Thanks for verifying that.

[icehog3]

Well good to go then. Thanks for verifying that.

My pleasure, never a chore to pick that book up and learn. :)

[pnoon]

huh, wonder why that member was talking about that? Is it somewhere else?

Good example of "don't believe everything you read" - especially when you don't know the source.

[cigarz]

I got the cigar bug big-time over the last two months or so. However, I live in Wisconsin and the biggest issue I have is where to smoke.

I won't/can't smoke in the house, and the last week has been too cold to be easily comfortable in the garage. How do my northern brethren deal with this? Do you routinely use a cigar lounge? Have you build and outdoor room of some kind?

Thanks, in advance.

Mike

[14holestogie]

I got the cigar bug big-time over the last two months or so. However, I live in Wisconsin and the biggest issue I have is where to smoke.

I won't/can't smoke in the house, and the last week has been too cold to be easily comfortable in the garage. How do my northern brethren deal with this? Do you routinely use a cigar lounge? Have you build and outdoor room of some kind?

Thanks, in advance.

Mike

We decided when we moved into our latest house about 8 years ago, smoking in the house was not going to happen. So....

I've got a "lounge" set-up in my insulated garage. A kerosene space heater aimed at my legs and I'm good for hours at a time.

[cigarz]

We decided when we moved into our latest house about 8 years ago, smoking in the house was not going to happen. So....

I've got a "lounge" set-up in my insulated garage. A kerosene space heater aimed at my legs and I'm good for hours at a time.

Thanks for the Info. My garage is not insulated, but I may have to change that and keep an eye on the big box stores for deals on heaters!

Mike

[cigarz]

How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike

[pnoon]

How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike
There is no definitive answer.
For me, not much more than an hour or so. For others, they smoke sticks the next day.

[lightning9191]

How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike

If you do this, be sure to purge it well just prior to setting it down. This should help the flavor when you relight it.

[RevSmoke]

How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike


Cigars? Not very long, as they usually get very acrid tasting very quickly - especially if allowed to cool. :2

With a pipe, this is much different. In fact, with many Virginia and Virginia?Perique blends, sometimes finishing a pipe a couple days later can find the tobaccos tasting even better.

Why is this?

Good question!

[14holestogie]

There is no definitive answer.
For me, not much more than an hour or so. For others, they smoke sticks the next day.

My wife is notorious for lighting up an hour stick and giving up on it after 15 minutes. :)

It all depends on how much bitterness you can stand. Be sure to purge the cigar when you sit it down to at least get most of the stale smoke out.

[Chris.]

How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike

My first opusx(like my 3rd cigar ever), I smoked halfway then left it in a zip lock baggie for like a week. One or two days I even forgot that I left it open. When I smoked it later on, it was even better than before. I never purged it either. That was before I knew anything about smoking cigars.

[cigarz]

Thanks for the feed back guys. Looks like results can vary. May require some experimentation....

Mike

[Chris.]

I wouldn't experiment with it. But, if for some reason you need to put one down and want to pick it up again later, dont be afraid to do so.

[blue7622]

hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like)

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same?

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?

thanks in advance

[icehog3]

hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like) I guess it's all a mater of opinion. I think cigars smell and taste like Heaven on Earth.

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same? Yes...I don't like cigarettes, and I smoke many cigars per week.

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening? Eat before smoking, and have something with simple sugar in it (I like Reese's PB cups) on hand if you feel sick.
thanks in advance

Some replies in red above. Good luck.

[Vigiles]

hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like)

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same?

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?

thanks in advance

I'll give some answers on what I can, then let the more experienced members help you out.

1. In my opinion, cigarettes and cigars are completely different, and don't taste anything alike.

2. In my experience, the more I smoked cigars the more I liked them. (still an ongoing process, but I do love them!)

3. How to not throw up: Smoke slow, very slow, around 1 puff per minute or less. Also a Mild cigar would be better for your first. Something that helped me starting out, drink (or sip) water while you are smoking.

Hope that helps some!

[Chris.]

hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like)

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same?

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?

thanks in advance

DONT INHALE! :) You should be fine. Just don't go buy the cheapest smoke you can find though. Perhaps a Flor de Oliva would be a good first smoke for you.

[chachee52]

I used to smoke ciggerette way back, and will say that it's two different things!!
I would agree with all that's been said so far.
As far as the smell of the smoke, I know people that can't stand when I smoke cigars, but then other's think that it smells great (luckily my fiance is one of these people!!).
On a funnier side, I've found that cigar smoke is a much better misquito repelant than cigerette smoke!!!
The taste is going to the tough one I would think. I have had some nasty cigars and some heavenly ones!! So hopefully you get one you like the first time around. The bad ones are far and few between in my eyes though.
Good luck in the new journey!!!

[SmokinCozy]

I was thinking if you got a bad one for your first stick, then there would be one less person to fight over the good ones on.........something is telling me not to be that way, there is plenty to go around. Pick up your cigar from a B&M (cigar store) and not the corner market.

[T.G]

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?



Smoke a nice mild cigar, something like a Camacho Coyolar, LDF DL maduro or an El Cobre.

[Chris.]

Did you really just recommend the LFD double LIGERO as a mild cigar? :r Granted, the DL maduro is good and smooth, but definitely not for the beginner.

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Say im taking a cigar to work with me for the ride home. I have a leather holder, and if I put a cigar in that leather holder would it be alright? Or would it dry out too much? I would leave the cello on it. Or should I use a ziplock baggie and then put the cigar inside the leather holder?


Are there any airtight cigar holders?

[GreekGodX]

Say im taking a cigar to work with me for the ride home. I have a leather holder, and if I put a cigar in that leather holder would it be alright? Or would it dry out too much? I would leave the cello on it. Or should I use a ziplock baggie and then put the cigar inside the leather holder?


Are there any airtight cigar holders?

Those types of holders are fine for your purpose. If you are going to have your cigars over night or over a few days you need some kind of otterbox. Example below.
http://golfhumidor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/otterbox5.jpg

[MrOneEyedBoh]

I could use that just for like everyday use? Arent they pretty gaudy? Thanks!

[GreekGodX]

The leather holder for the day will work ok. I wouldn't leave anything in there longer than a 12 hour period unless it has a good seal. The cigarcaddy/otterbox can be used for everyday use. I have a 5 count box that I take with me to local B&M's. It isn't the most asthetically pleasing box but the seal is great and it keeps your cigars humidified.

In any case you just want to make sure you don't subject the cigars to extreme heat or cold..

[bookman]

I could use that just for like everyday use? Arent they pretty gaudy? Thanks!

Yes theya re, but remeber you can pimp them out with cool stickers of your favorite bands and stuff!!

[Chris.]

I have a 5 ct box as well. They make 2 cts also.

[pnoon]

The leather holder for the day will work ok. I wouldn't leave anything in there longer than a 12 hour period unless it has a good seal. The cigarcaddy/otterbox can be used for everyday use. I have a 5 count box that I take with me to local B&M's. It isn't the most asthetically pleasing box but the seal is great and it keeps your cigars humidified.

In any case you just want to make sure you don't subject the cigars to extreme heat or cold..

I disagree, Christos.
While the otterbox is certainly a good idea, cigars are shipped from around the world without being in a controlled environment. Also, I've been to a number of large herfs where cigars for raffle and auction are staged outside of regular humidification for an an entire weekend.

Is this the most desirable way? Of course not. But having cigars outside of 65% for a few days is not a catastrophe.

EDIT: Leaving cigars in a leather case for a few days to a week is not a whole lot different than dryboxing.

[bobarian]

I'm with the old guy on this one. Cigar cases are more for the protection of the cigar than anything else. For taking a cigar to work the leather cases are ideal. I have wanted one of those Xikar 3 cigar cases for a while just never got around to picking one up. Humidity is not a concern unless they will be out for more than a week or in extreme conditions. Cigars are much more durable than we, as obsessive hobbyists, give them credit. :2

[Gary]

Newbie here, first post. (Hello!)

Had my first real cigar last night, okay, I had 2 back to back. Had a Macanudo Maduro Hyde Park and a Romeo/Julieta Love Story. Couldn't really tell a big difference in taste between them, newbie palate? The Love Story required more relighting.

My primary question is this:

While smoking them I felt great, great mood, energized, very clear thinking, and just basically feeling wonderful! Is this an effect of the nicotine??

Also, I don't currently have a humidor, (will get one soon) but currently my house seems to be at 70% humidity, is that okay for now?

And a special shout out to my wife for putting up with all my monkey business all these years!

[pnoon]

Newbie here, first post. (Hello!)

Had my first real cigar last night, okay, I had 2 back to back. Had a Macanudo Maduro Hyde Park and a Romeo/Julieta Love Story. Couldn't really tell a big difference in taste between them, newbie palate? The Love Story required more relighting.

My primary question is this:

While smoking them I felt great, great mood, energized, very clear thinking, and just basically feeling wonderful! Is this an effect of the nicotine??

Also, I don't currently have a humidor, (will get one soon) but currently my house seems to be at 70% humidity, is that okay for now?

And a special shout out to my wife for putting up with all my monkey business all these years!

Welcome to Cigar Asylum, Gary.
Let me suggest you head over to the New Inmate forum and introduce yourself. We're a friendly bunch here and would like to know a little bit about you.

On to your questions.

A discerning palate is one that is developed over time. I don't know if the 2 cigars you smoked are at all similar in flavor profile but there may be someone else here who could chime in on that. I would bet the nicotine (a stimulant) is responsible for your heightened mood. If your house is in the 60-70% humidity range you should be fine (temporarily). Any much over 70% could lead to burn issues and mold. It's good that you are in the process of purchasing a humidor.

Any man who has a wife that is supportive of our hobby/obsession is a lucky man, indeed.

[Blind_Io]

Last year I moved from the San Francisco Bay area back to Salt Lake City, Utah. As I'm sure you know, Utah is much more arid than the coast and I've been having trouble keeping the humidity up in my humidor.

My humidor isn't big, just 4 drawers (I forget the capacity). I keep two of the silicon sticks in it and had no trouble keeping the humidity at about 60%. I don't get into the humidor much these days (it's too cold to go outside to smoke at night). Obviously I need to check the sticks and dunk them in water more frequently, but is there anything else I can do to help stabilize the humidity in this climate?

Should I re-season the humidor, add more sticks, change the sticks for higher-humidity ones or just check it more often?

[icehog3]

I would ditch the silicon sticks for some humidity beads, Dave.

Member shilala and company Heartfelt Industries both make quality ones.

[GreekGodX]

Dave, you need to move to beads like Tom said. Also consider adding more humidification to the humidor. Many people use more beads/humidification than required for a certain size humidor just to make sure it stays at a certain rH.

[Blind_Io]

I think I must have used the wrong language, my humidity control are these plastic tubes with silica beads inside. I'll pick up two more and double my control.

Thanks for the advice guys, I'll certainly look for those brands you mentioned.

[Chris.]

I think I must have used the wrong language, my humidity control are these plastic tubes with silica beads inside. I'll pick up two more and double my control.

Thanks for the advice guys, I'll certainly look for those brands you mentioned.

http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/categories.asp?cat=Humidity+Beads

Scotts:
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19160

[kalivoda87]

What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.

[pnoon]

What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.
It's all a matter of personal preference. Although most would agree that anything over 70% is too high. Some actually prefer 60%.

[Jbailey]

What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.

I use 65% beads and the coolers stay right around 63%-65%. I find it works pretty good and the cigars smoke great!

[akumushi]

What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.

Humidity is as subjective a thing as you can get. Between 50% and 75% will not damage your cigars. I try to keep mine between 60-65%, which I have found to be perfect for Habanos. NC smokers seem to prefer the 70-75% range. The best advice I can give you is: if your wrappers are cracking, the cigars are too dry. If the cigars won't stay lit, then they're too wet. Beyond that only you can decide what's right for you!:2

[icehog3]

I would say that at 75% you are at serious risk of developing mold on your cigars.

[Snake Hips]

I would say that at 75% you are at serious risk of developing mold on your cigars.
Among other serious problems with your smokes.

[icehog3]

Among other serious problems with your smokes.

Absolutely.

[pnoon]

Absolutely.

Right. ;)

[Ty Atkinson]

have a glass top humidor that seems to stay between 61 and 65 humidity with heartfelt 65 beads in it, do i just contribute the fluctuation to the great glass top or be worried, also where should i place the humidity tube for best results.

My cigars feel pretty firm which i tend to worry about didnt know if it was from the lower humidity and tempature around 64 in the humi or if i should do something different.