Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!)

[N2Advnture]

Have a question regarding n/c cigars?

Ask it here and someone will be along to answer it shorty :tu

~Mark


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[SmokinApe]

Does a fancier label make the cigar taste better? :ss

[pnoon]

Does a fancier label make the cigar taste better? :ss
:confused:
Why clutter up a perfectly legitimate cigar related thread with an attempt at humor?

[zemekone]

Does a fancier label make the cigar taste better? :ss

Of course it does! All the opus x and diamond crown maximus taste good cuz of the gold foil...

Come on now?

[SmokinApe]

:confused:
Why clutter up a perfectly legitimate cigar related thread with an attempt at humor?


I thought it was inline with the culture of the forum... My apologies to the OP...

[ahc4353]

OK here is something that I am embarrassed to ask but what the heck.

Why do we "toast" the foot?






Al walks away in shame of not knowing this after all these years..........

[pnoon]

I thought it was inline with the culture of the forum... My apologies to the OP...

Not so much as to the where as to the when. No doubt we are a fun loving group of inmates. But there is a time and place for humor. When tangential posts and humor are injected into threads that are meant to be informative, it makes reading them and finding the true value more difficult.

I certainly don't want to curtail any fun or humor.

Just my :2

[kaisersozei]

Not to jump ahead of Al, but I have a question, too.

I read "somewhere" about "someone's" :D misadventure with having his cigars stuck up someone else's nose. Common courtesy aside (i.e., asking permission to do it, first of all...) I've seen brothers (some here, that I respect) do the same thing. That is: put the foot of a cigar in their nostril and inhale deeply. In the misadventure above, the guy indicated it was to detect ammonia. Is that what you're trying to detect in that process? Or is it the general "pre-light aroma?"

[pnoon]

Not to jump ahead of Al, but I have a question, too.

I read "somewhere" about "someone's" :D misadventure with having his cigars stuck up someone else's nose. Common courtesy aside (i.e., asking permission to do it, first of all...) I've seen brothers (some here, that I respect) do the same thing. That is: put the foot of a cigar in their nostril and inhale deeply. In the misadventure above, the guy indicated it was to detect ammonia. Is that what you're trying to detect in that process? Or is it the general "pre-light aroma?"

For me, it is pre-light aroma. And I certainly don't stick the cigar IN my nostril. And if its not my stick, it doesn't touch my nose at all.

[renton20]

Why do we "toast" the foot?



My understanding is that by toasting the foot it is easier to ensure an even burn throughout the cigar.

[Langod]

Can someone give me a basic understanding of wraps? What are the flavor differences between Connecticut, Maduro, Natural, etc?

Plus, how does a different wrap generally change the flavor of a given cigar? To use a current popular cigar as an example -- the new special edition Oliva serie V Maduro. The wrap is the biggest difference between it and the "regular" Serie V, correct? How does that change the flavor profile?

[FriskyDingo]

Here's a quick link that describes a few flavors you may pick up from different wrappers.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/02/06/192227.php

Since everyone's palate is different, one's flavor pick up of cherry is anothers licorice.
The wrapper on a cigar is sometimes said to provide up to 60% of the flavor. Your example of the Oliva V Maduro is excellent since it's basically the same as the regular V. With a 60% change in flavor due to the wrapper, it's almost like smoking a completely different cigar.
La Aurora did a run of the 1495 series called the connoisseur collection that provided the same filler with 4 different wrappers (Connecticut, Cameroon, Brazil and Corojo). Each providing a completely different smoking experience.

-Evan

[SteveDMatt]

Why do we "toast" the foot?


My understanding is that by toasting the foot it is easier to ensure an even burn throughout the cigar.

I agree. Also, when you attempt to light a cigar by drawing on it, it seems to be bitter, like and overheated cigar (ex. smoking too quickly). I feel that by toasting the end, you get a cooler, smoother smoke and a more even burn throughout.

[Timbers]

I figured this would be as good a first post as any:ss

I am currently browsing cigarsinternational.com, and have my eyes on some cigars to try out for the first time. In my cart are a 5-pack or CAO MX2's and another 5-pack of Rocky Patel Fusions. Any other suggestions (top one or two for the beginner) as to which cigars would be wise in which to invest?

Also, I need a cutter and a lighter. I am set on the lighter, but am confused as to which type of cutter to get. I see more guillotines floating around than any other type, which would make it seem to me as though they are the most widely bought. Are there any issues with specific cutters regarding the condition of the cigar once cut?

Thank you in advance for the input!

[Coz77]

I figured this would be as good a first post as any:ss

I am currently browsing cigarsinternational.com, and have my eyes on some cigars to try out for the first time. In my cart are a 5-pack or CAO MX2's and another 5-pack of Rocky Patel Fusions. Any other suggestions (top one or two for the beginner) as to which cigars would be wise in which to invest?

Check out Famous (http://www.famous-smoke.com/cigars/include/5packsgen.cfm?on=samp) too...They have a buy 2 five packs get one free deal thats pretty sweet. Might save you a few bucks :)

Sancho Panza (double mad..I prefer the extra fuerte though)
Oliva (G's maduro and nat)
Padron (x000 series)
Hoyo de Monterry (dark sumatra)
Punch

All great cigars for beginners and veterans alike :ss

Also, I need a cutter and a lighter. I am set on the lighter, but am confused as to which type of cutter to get. I see more guillotines floating around than any other type, which would make it seem to me as though they are the most widely bought. Are there any issues with specific cutters regarding the condition of the cigar once cut?

Thank you in advance for the input!

Im not sure what lighter you're considering but save your cash and get a Ronson with some quality fuel.

Cutters...get a Xikar wolf 2 sized punch (http://www.cigarextras.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=284) and a Palio cutter.

[BlackIrish]

I agree. Also, when you attempt to light a cigar by drawing on it, it seems to be bitter, like and overheated cigar (ex. smoking too quickly). I feel that by toasting the end, you get a cooler, smoother smoke and a more even burn throughout.

SteveDMatt is a smart man. Toasting avoids overheating and gives a more even burn.

I've begun toasting the foot and blowing on it until I've got a good even cherry before I even take a draw. It makes for a much smoother smoke and a great burn. Try it.

BlackIrish

[NCRadioMan]

I never toast. Never found that it made a difference.

:2

[BlackIrish]

Great thread here that discusses these issues and more.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?p=25523&posted=1#post25523

[N2Advnture]

I've begun toasting the foot and blowing on it until I've got a good even cherry before I even take a draw. It makes for a much smoother smoke and a great burn. Try it.
BlackIrish

Exactly.

By creating an even light you create an even burn (unless there is something wrong with the smoke).

I hold the flame away from the foot as not to char it but let the heat of flame ignite the foot.

~Mark

[Sauer Grapes]

Exactly.

By creating an even light you create an even burn (unless there is something wrong with the smoke).

I hold the flame away from the foot as not to char it but let the heat of flame ignite the foot.

~Mark

I've always wondered this... even if the flame doesn't touch the foot, doesn't the heat "char" the foot when it starts off gassing before it ignites?

[N2Advnture]

I've always wondered this... even if the flame doesn't touch the foot, doesn't the heat "char" the foot when it starts off gassing before it ignites?

Not nearly as much as when the flame (torch) touches the foot directly :tu

[ahc4353]

As for draw, I have seen the term loose, please explain as I enjoy a really easy draw.

[N2Advnture]

As for draw, I have seen the term loose, please explain as I enjoy a really easy draw.

Loose & really easy are synonymous :tu

[ahc4353]

Loose & really easy are synonymous :tu

When I read the term loose for the first time it was as if the guy did not like it. Sounded like a complaint. Just wonder why a firmer draw would be liked. If I can get a mouthful of smoke by breathing it's perfect for me.

Thanks.

[N2Advnture]

When I read the term loose for the first time it was as if the guy did not like it. Sounded like a complaint. Just wonder why a firmer draw would be liked. If I can get a mouthful of smoke by breathing it's perfect for me.
Thanks.

Many (myself included) don't like a "loose" draw. A deliberate draw is more preferable (IMHO of course). A loose draw also typically indicates a degree of underfilling in the roll which tends not to age well since the tobacco shrinks as it ages. This creates an even looser draw down the road.

Additionally, I have found that a deliberate draw tends to create more subtle flavors because the loose draw tends to make for a hotter smoke (eg: faster burning).

I hope this helps

~Mark

[DavenportESQ]

Mark doesn't a loose draw also help the cigar heat up, and when the tobacco leaves get "too" hot they burn and disturb the actual flavor of the tobacco leaf?

[ahc4353]

Many (myself included) don't like a "loose" draw. A deliberate draw is more preferable (IMHO of course). A loose draw also typically indicates a degree of underfilling in the roll which tends not to age well since the tobacco shrinks as it ages. This creates an even looser draw down the road.

Additionally, I have found that a deliberate draw tends to create more subtle flavors because the loose draw tends to make for a hotter smoke (eg: faster burning).

I hope this helps

~Mark

Mark,

Thanks for the info. I guess I need to smoke with a guy that knows the difference so I can have a "feel" for what would be considered "to loose".

Thanks again for all the help.

[N2Advnture]

Mark doesn't a loose draw also help the cigar heat up, and when the tobacco leaves get "too" hot they burn and disturb the actual flavor of the tobacco leaf?

Additionally, I have found that a deliberate draw tends to create more subtle flavors because the loose draw tends to make for a hotter smoke (eg: faster burning).

I agree :tu (That's what I was trying to say at the end of the sentence :))

[DavenportESQ]

I had heard this, but wasn't sure Thanks!

[ahc4353]

How about this one.

I have a cigar band that says Triple Fermented on it.

What does that mean?

[N2Advnture]

How about this one.
I have a cigar band that says Triple Fermented on it.
What does that mean?

Cigar tobacco is cured & fermented (and sometimes aged) after harvesting.

The objectives of fermentation are:

- To transform the majority of proteins into amino acids.
- To reduce the contents of nitrogenous substances.
- To eliminate starches and sugars totally.
- To diminish the contents of nicotine.
- To transform the chemical composition of the leaves.
- To oxidize some pigments.
- To cause the presence of dark colors in the leaf.
- To diminish the thickness of the leaf.
- To stimulate the reactions of oxidation.
- To contribute to the ulterior development of the aroma of the leaf.

This is done typically two times for most cigars. Cohiba is know of it's triple fermentation as well as others.

Your cigar label indicates that it went through 3 fermentations (no kidding, right :)).

Additionally, the "ammonia" or "sick period" that you sometimes get with cigars in the box is actually an additional 'mini' fermentation that they may go through.

I hope this helps

~Mark

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[Rabidsquirrel]

How is a blend mixed? Do the blenders smoke leaves from a single batch or something similar to figure out what will go well with different crops?

[N2Advnture]

How is a blend mixed? Do the blenders smoke leaves from a single batch or something similar to figure out what will go well with different crops?

Once your reach a level 5 torcedor (or Torcedora for women), you are so familiar with the crop's selection and production that you can pretty much guess the results of the blend. With that said, they do "test" blends on new marcas / sizes prior to deciding the final blend.

Of course, as crops rotate the blends try to remain the same but the flavor profile would obviously change due to new crops & tobacco stains.

I hope this helps

~Mark


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[ahc4353]

Mark,

Thank you for all the information. One last thing, are Cuban's done the same way?


Cigar tobacco is cured & fermented (and sometimes aged) after harvesting.

The objectives of fermentation are:

- To transform the majority of proteins into amino acids.
- To reduce the contents of nitrogenous substances.
- To eliminate starches and sugars totally.
- To diminish the contents of nicotine.
- To transform the chemical composition of the leaves.
- To oxidize some pigments.
- To cause the presence of dark colors in the leaf.
- To diminish the thickness of the leaf.
- To stimulate the reactions of oxidation.
- To contribute to the ulterior development of the aroma of the leaf.

This is done typically two times for most cigars. Cohiba is know of it's triple fermentation as well as others.

Your cigar label indicates that it went through 3 fermentations (no kidding, right :)).

Additionally, the "ammonia" or "sick period" that you sometimes get with cigars in the box is actually an additional 'mini' fermentation that they may go through.

I hope this helps

~Mark

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[N2Advnture]

Mark,
Thank you for all the information. One last thing, are Cuban's done the same way?

Actually, I was speaking to CC's but assume it's the same for NC's.

~Mark

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[Rabidsquirrel]

Thanks.

[ahc4353]

Actually, I was speaking to CC's but assume it's the same for NC's.

~Mark

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I have heard the term "forced fermented" for NC's any idea what this is?

[bobarian]

I have heard the term "forced fermented" for NC's any idea what this is?

Not positive, but I think this refers to the application of heat. Some maduro is "cooked" to get it to darken quicker than by natural fermentation.

[N2Advnture]

Correct but not sure if the "cooked" maduros is the same thing as "forced fermentation".

I know that heaters are in the fermentation sheds to help facility fermentation, sometimes referred to as "cooking".

[Linus]

Ok. I have a question: what's the significance of the different colours of ash? I've seen gray, brown/beige, white and black. I suspect there's a chemical reason for it but I was curious if anyone knows of a layman's definition of each.

[tenbaseg]

I've been evolving into quite the pepin whore. I love the red pepper/spice that comes with his blends.

This may be a dumb question, but what is so different about his cigars/tobacco that gives it that pepper flavor? I've picked up hints of spice in other cigars, but nothing quite as obvious as his blends.

[smokeyscotch]

I agree. Also, when you attempt to light a cigar by drawing on it, it seems to be bitter, like and overheated cigar (ex. smoking too quickly). I feel that by toasting the end, you get a cooler, smoother smoke and a more even burn throughout.

All the points that Steve quoted and his are accurate IMO. I also think there is a scientific side to toasting. If done correctly, it allows the tobacco to warm up at an even pace. This way it will accept a light more evenly. IMO, it is the opposite of putting a steak on a hot grill. The outside of the steak sears. I like my steaks seared, but not my cigars. On the emotional side, toasting allows me to settle in to the whole experience of the cigar. Just my :2.

[smokeyscotch]

I've been evolving into quite the pepin whore. I love the red pepper/spice that comes with his blends.

This may be a dumb question, but what is so different about his cigars/tobacco that gives it that pepper flavor? I've picked up hints of spice in other cigars, but nothing quite as obvious as his blends.

I talked with a tobacconist about this once. His explanation was that Pepin's rolling style as well as the tobacco adds to the flavor of his blends. "He [Pepin] rolls his cigars in the old Cuban style", he said. Which I understood to mean that they are rolled wet (fresh), then aged for a period, while others roll aged tobacco and age some more. I just took his word for it.

[Linus]

Ok. I have a question: what's the significance of the different colours of ash? I've seen gray, brown/beige, white and black. I suspect there's a chemical reason for it but I was curious if anyone knows of a layman's definition of each.

Well, I've found the answer to my own question in a great YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4RB5lP7yzs

[jbonnefsc]

I was wondering if I could get some questions answered on Herf Etiquette.

I will be attending my first this weekend in Tampa, FL (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=532) and I'm wondering a few things...

It just seems strange, i guess, to show up at someone's house I've never met before. I'm very excited, but could you share your first herf story to give me an idea what to expect? Also, What sort of things to I bring? (A house warming gift for the Host?)

I'm a noob, but I want to try and blend in as best as possible...

Thanks!!!

[chippewastud79]

Also, What sort of things to I bring? (A house warming gift for the Host?)



Thanks!!!

I would say bring some smokes to share/trade, particularly something you like. Doesn't have to be a whole bunch of Opus X or something you go out an buy a box of just for the herf, but something you don't mind sharing with others that you really like and that others may not have tried. A gift for the host might be nice, perhaps a bottle of his favorite ripple, or a nice 5 pack.
Just my :2 but I am sure there are far more experienced herfers than I out there :tu

[pnoon]

I would say bring some smokes to share, particularly something you like. Doesn't have to be a whole bunch of Opus X or anything, but something you don't mind sharing with others that they may not have tried. A gift for the host might be nice, perhaps a bottle of his favorite ripple, or a nice 5 pack.
Just my :2 but I am sure there are far more experienced herfers than I out there :tu

:tpd:
Relax and have fun.

[kayaker]

Here's a question for you about veins.

I have read reviews from fellow inmates with comments about there being no veins in the wrapper.

What constitutes a vein? All the various cigars I've tried have what I would call veins. Some are smaller than others.

Can you refer me to any photo comparisons?

Thanks,

Ian

[Bobb]

Here's a question for you about veins.

I have read reviews from fellow inmates with comments about there being no veins in the wrapper.

What constitutes a vein? All the various cigars I've tried have what I would call veins. Some are smaller than others.

Can you refer me to any photo comparisons?

Thanks,

Ian

Hey Ian!

I will do my best to explain what I mean by veins (this may be different from others.) I am not a botanist so I cannot tell you what causes the differences in leaves, but I have spent a good amount of time smoking and contemplating cigars so I can tell you what I have noticed in the smoke. Also, these pictures are ones I took a few minutes ago. I do not have a huge assortment here in Alaska, but I think I found a couple of good candidate for both scenarios (and yes I know they look a little dry. The interior of Alaska is very cold and VERY dry and my beads have not yet made their way up here. My folks should be sending them shortly :))

First of all...tobacco is a leaf, and leaves have veins, so every cigar you smoke will have SOME veins. I believe a cigar is labeled "veiny" or 'having little to no veins" depending on how large the veins are and whether or not they will affect the smoke.

Veiny:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m73/pooh31180/Cigar%20stuff/vain.jpg
These cigars have thick veins that feel rough to the touch (they may sometimes be like small twigs they are so thick.) I find that thick veins tend to affect the draw and burn of a cigar more than the taste; however, if you are constantly sucking hard on a stick to keep it lit, it will more than likely heat up on you and get bitter...so I guess it can affect taste somewhat. It also takes away from the aesthetic appeal of the smoke, which to most S/BOTL, adds to the overall enjoyment of a cigar.

Little to no veins:
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m73/pooh31180/Cigar%20stuff/vainless.jpg
These cigars still have veins, but they are very thin and can barley be felt by running your fingers over them. When someone describes a cigar as being "silky" they are probably noticing the lack of thick veins. These cigars tend to burn more consistently and have fewer plugs.

Since there are three parts to a cigar, veins affect your smoking experience in different ways. Thick veins in the filler will more than likely affect the draw where thick veins in the wrapper/binder will probably affect the burn. Large/thick veins does not always mean it is a bad smoke. Sometimes the veins do nothing to a cigar other than make it look slightly less pretty.

I hope this helps. :D

[jbonnefsc]

Lately, some of the cigars I've smoked from my humidor have tunneled. What I mean is that the wrapper is burning slower than the filler and binder. What could cause this? The cigars have been different brands abd sizes. My humidty and temprature has been at 66 percent and 72 degrees. My humi is well stocked, a nearly full 50 count. Help me!
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[SteveDMatt]

Lately, some of the cigars I've smoked from my humidor have tunneled. What I mean is that the wrapper is burning slower than the filler and binder. What could cause this? The cigars have been different brands abd sizes. My humidty and temprature has been at 66 percent and 72 degrees. My humi is well stocked, a nearly full 50 count. Help me!
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The most common reason for this is that the outer layers of tobacco are more humid that the middle most filler. It could be from the cigars having been dried out then rehydrated, just not all the way though. This may even be from the retailer.

How long have they been at 66 and in your possession? Also, are they in an area where the temperature fluctuates? Temperature can affect humidity more than you would think.

[jbonnefsc]

Each over a month. The temperature shouldn't be fluctuating much, though I did take the humidor with me home from college over spring break. Would a 2 hour hot car ride cause this?
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[SteveDMatt]

Each over a month. The temperature shouldn't be fluctuating much, though I did take the humidor with me home from college over spring break. Would a 2 hour hot car ride cause this?
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I wouldn't think a 2 hour car ride would affect them at all.

Maybe a FOI could offer some other reasoning. I'm a little stumped. A month in a controlled environment should be plenty of time to stabilize.

[GhostRyder]

Alright, I have a beginner-type question here. I've never smoked a cigar with a cap on the foot before (I'm sure there is a proper term, but I don't know it). I recently picked up a Hemingway Short Story to try on for size and I noticed that it has one of these footcaps. Do I cut it off or light it with the foot intact? If I do cut it, am I going for the same kind of cut that I make on the head of the cigar?

[pnoon]

Alright, I have a beginner-type question here. I've never smoked a cigar with a cap on the foot before (I'm sure there is a proper term, but I don't know it). I recently picked up a Hemingway Short Story to try on for size and I noticed that it has one of these footcaps. Do I cut it off or light it with the foot intact? If I do cut it, am I going for the same kind of cut that I make on the head of the cigar?
It is called a perfecto.
No need to cut the foot. Light up and enjoy.

[bigliver]

What is dry boxing and will it help a cigar that is rolled just a touch too tight? Thanks for the help.

[Snake Hips]

What is dry boxing and will it help a cigar that is rolled just a touch too tight? Thanks for the help.
It's putting the cigar in a humidor with very low humidity or no humidification at all for any period from a few hours to 10 days to improve the smoking quality of the cigar (flavor, burn, draw, etc.). Generally yes, it tends to help with tighter draws to dry-box the cigar for a while. Some cigars are just plain tight though.

[joetownhound]

I just made a dumb noob mistake or move. I had started smoking a Boli the other day and had put it out only after smoking about 1/4 inch of it because I couldn't taste it because of the cold I have. Well not wanting to waste a cigar I put it in a seal bag and placed it into the coolerdor thinking it will be all right (this was Monday). Well when I went into my cooler today to get some cigars out I smelled a strong smoky odor. I'm emptying my cooler as I type this now and is going to wash it out with mild solution and baking soda to try to get rid of the smell. My question is have I done some damage to my cigars that was in the cooler that can't be repaired. What can I do to lessen the damage that is already done. Thanks in advance for answers :bh:bh:bh:bh:bh:bh:bh:bh The smell is in my beads also so is this a concern I should worry about also

[abby]

I have heard the term "forced fermented" for NC's any idea what this is?

There are different way for leaves (not rolled cigars)
for CC leaves for premium Cigars we have the Air cure. It is done in the "Casa del Tabaco" where the nautral climate makes the leaves to turn from green to dark.
There is for NC different way for cure.

It is done in rooms where the temperature and Humy are controlled (sometimes with some fires). The process is delicate, a small mistake can spoil everithing.
In this way you can choose even the wrapper colour.

In Cuba they did some experiment with this method for getting the AMS capa colour - aka Capa Candela. This is for the embargo end.

AB

[hdmyg85]

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[taltos]

Lately, some of the cigars I've smoked from my humidor have tunneled. What I mean is that the wrapper is burning slower than the filler and binder. What could cause this? The cigars have been different brands abd sizes. My humidty and temprature has been at 66 percent and 72 degrees. My humi is well stocked, a nearly full 50 count. Help me!
Posted via Mobile DeviceIf they were all the same brand and from the same box it could just be the luck of the draw. I remember some Onyx Vintage cigars that had asbestos wrappers. As I recall, one of the new Habana (2000?) wrappers had a burn problem at one time. Just my :2, hope it helps.

[JJG]

I hear you guys mention MRN a lot and from context I am assuming this is an information resource of some kind, most likely a website. So what is MRN short for?

thanks, :ss

[68TriShield]

Here it is
http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248

[ahc4353]

Why is a cigar "capped"? Why bother?

[Snake Hips]

Why is a cigar "capped"? Why bother?
So the cigar doesn't unravel. They have to keep the wrapper on somehow ;)

[Bruzee]

******QUESTION******

When storing whole boxes of cigars in a Vinotemp, do you leave the box lid completely open? Do you let the box sit closed? Or do you slightly prop open the lid to allow some air movement? Or does it not really matter?

Thanks in advance! :D

[NCRadioMan]

******QUESTION******

When storing whole boxes of cigars in a Vinotemp, do you leave the box lid completely open? Do you let the box sit closed? Or do you slightly prop open the lid to allow some air movement? Or does it not really matter?

Thanks in advance! :D

It doesn't really matter but I store everything closed.

[shilala]

******QUESTION******

When storing whole boxes of cigars in a Vinotemp, do you leave the box lid completely open? Do you let the box sit closed? Or do you slightly prop open the lid to allow some air movement? Or does it not really matter?

Thanks in advance! :D
It depends if they suck or not.
If they're good, I keep cigars all closed up so they'll not change quickly.
If they suck, I open them up a bit to dry them out and get the sick out of them.
I don't "age" anything, because I just smoke them and share them.
I just work to get them smokable, that's all. They get old all by themselves. ;)

[Rabidsquirrel]

Why are Robustos usually cheaper than other smaller sizes?

[md4958]

Why are Robustos usually cheaper than other smaller sizes?

when you say "other smaller sizes" do you mean a lancero for example?

[shilala]

Why are Robustos usually cheaper than other smaller sizes?
I believe it's because they're easier to make. They roll one cigar, finish both ends and cut it in half.
I could be totally wrong, but that's my impression.
You couldn't do that with a lancero because your hands wouldn't be able to manage the length.
Should be able to do it with a pc, so although it was a good idea, it may not make much sense.

[SmoknTaz]

**Question**
What does the term "Long finish" mean in the context of a review?

[Snake Hips]

**Question**
What does the term "Long finish" mean in the context of a review?
I believe it refers to when you get the taste longer after you exhale the puff, as opposed to directly after. After you exhale, you get most of the taste IME, but it goes away in seconds. Some cigars you can taste for a while longer. But that's my take - this may (and probably will) vary person to person.

[JohnnyFlake]

I believe it refers to when you get the taste longer after you exhale the puff, as opposed to directly after. After you exhale, you get most of the taste IME, but it goes away in seconds. Some cigars you can taste for a while longer. But that's my take - this may (and probably will) vary person to person.

The above just about hits it on the head, however, with smoking a cigar or whatever, the length of the finish usually refers to how long the aftertaste of the tobacco and other nuances remain with you, after the smoke has ended. An example would be that, after smoking a mild cigar, such as a Gispert, the after taste may remain with you for 15, 30, maybe even 45 minutes, however, after smoking a truly full bodied cigar, such as an Opus-X, the after taste may actually be with you for several hours, and in some cases even longer!

[Whee]

I believe it refers to when you get the taste longer after you exhale the puff, as opposed to directly after. After you exhale, you get most of the taste IME, but it goes away in seconds. Some cigars you can taste for a while longer. But that's my take - this may (and probably will) vary person to person.


I agree. To me the finish is the aftertaste of the cigar. I usually notice it when i am finished smoking. Some cigars, the taste goes away shortly after finishing and others, I can still taste the next morning. (and that's not always a good thing.)

[Snake Hips]

I agree. To me the finish is the aftertaste of the cigar. I usually notice it when i am finished smoking. Some cigars, the taste goes away shortly after finishing and others, I can still taste the next morning. (and that's not always a good thing.)
Haha, I know what you mean. Look out for the morning funk...

[Whee]

I had a bargain label brand (can't remember now what it was) that even after I had shrimp with a little cayenne pepper, zesty cocktail sauce and steak with onions....I could STILL taste the damn thing.

[SmoknTaz]

I believe it refers to when you get the taste longer after you exhale the puff, as opposed to directly after. After you exhale, you get most of the taste IME, but it goes away in seconds. Some cigars you can taste for a while longer. But that's my take - this may (and probably will) vary person to person.

Thanks guys for shedding some light on this. :tu

[Geppetto]

Been on my list for years - Do you leave the cello on the sticks or not when storing? To me it never made a difference...

[theonlybear4CORT]

Been on my list for years - Do you leave the cello on the sticks or not when storing? To me it never made a difference...

its just a personal preference if you want them on of off.but some like to have the cello on so the sticks wont get damaged while handling.

[Snake Hips]

Been on my list for years - Do you leave the cello on the sticks or not when storing? To me it never made a difference...
Some leave it on to protect the cigars from getting damaged when rummaging through the humidor, some (like me) leave it off because it's ugly as all getout. Doesn't make a difference, cellophane breathes.

[theonlybear4CORT]

while you smoke a lancero what exactly do "they" mean then "they" say sip on the lancero.do you take 1/2 the draw that you would on a robusto ?

[Snake Hips]

while you smoke a lancero what exactly do "they" mean then "they" say sip on the lancero.do you take 1/2 the draw that you would on a robusto ?
Pretty much. Just take a short puff of a bit of smoke in with the tongue, as opposed to a big puff with the cheeks.

[theonlybear4CORT]

got ya,thanks.

[JohnRogers]

Not to jump ahead of Al, but I have a question, too.

I read "somewhere" about "someone's" :D misadventure with having his cigars stuck up someone else's nose.
I remember that being pretty funny.

I have two questions if I may.

Anybody sell a large informational poster, something with the different types and characteristics of cigars?

Any good thread or recommendations on adult beverager pairings with the Padron 1926 cigars?

[Linus]

I think I know the answer to this but wanted to ask. I noticed that some of my cigars have a "sparkle" to them when lit. What causes this sparkle?

[N2Advnture]

I think I know the answer to this but wanted to ask. I noticed that some of my cigars have a "sparkle" to them when lit. What causes this sparkle?

By "sparkle" do you mean sheen or do they actually sparkle like glitter?

Sheen is from the essential oils releasing through the wrapper

I hope this helps

~Mark

[Linus]

By "sparkle" do you mean sheen or do they actually sparkle like glitter?

Sheen is from the essential oils releasing through the wrapper

I hope this helps

~Mark

Well, there's that but also when a flame is hitting them, it sparkles (think sparklers for 4th of July that kids use -- not as huge but tiny ones).

[N2Advnture]

Well, there's that but also when a flame is hitting them, it sparkles (think sparklers for 4th of July that kids use -- not as huge but tiny ones).

Ok, gotcha - like a sparkler when lit

Typically from stems :tu

[ScottH]

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When the ash falls off cigars when I smoke often the burn starts to tunnel the cigar (inside burning faster than the outside). How do I correct this or keep it from happening?

[TBone]

Is there a set period of time one should let new smokes sit in the humidor after purchasing?

What works better 65 or 70% humidity?

[chippewastud79]

Is there a set period of time one should let new smokes sit in the humidor after purchasing?

Usually people say a few weeks to allow them to adjust to your conditions you prefer. I am more likely to let a cigar from a B+M I trust sit only a day or two whereas internet order sit a bit longer. :tu

What works better 65 or 70% humidity?

This is entirely personal preference, I prefer mine dryer than most, around 61-63%. This too is somethng that you will need to experiment with until you find which you prefer. :2

[chippewastud79]

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When the ash falls off cigars when I smoke often the burn starts to tunnel the cigar (inside burning faster than the outside). How do I correct this or keep it from happening?


Sounds like the humidity may be a little off, probably a little too wet on the outside. As far as touch-up, try a single flame all the way around the outside, kind of like a regular touch-up but all the way around the outside. :tu

[Snake Hips]

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When the ash falls off cigars when I smoke often the burn starts to tunnel the cigar (inside burning faster than the outside). How do I correct this or keep it from happening?
If it always happens, try to adjust your humidity down or let them sit a little longer. To keep it from happening, I usually purge after an ashing to keep the wrapper going, because it happens to me sometimes.

[CigarDon]

Just checking to see if I can post yet :) Guess I can.

[DPD6030]

Just checking to see if I can post yet :) Guess I can.


Hello Don from MI from Andrew from MI. :we Do you have a question for us friendly BOTL to help answer?

[ScottH]

Just checking to see if I can post yet :) Guess I can.

Hey Don! Welcome to the Asylum! Be sure to check out http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7 just to introduce yourself.

[Brett C]

Hi all, A noob here and living in Colorado what suggestions do you have to keep a small (50ct) desktop and at about 65% humidity? I plan on keeping the desktop humi in the basement when the summer temps start spiking to try and maintain an environment below 70 degrees and being new, I'm not sure if I prefer a wetter or dryer stick yet but I think I might lean to something more in line with 65% vs 70%. How fast will a stick dry out once removed from the humidifier during the summer. I plan on using a travel case for the most part as it may be several hours before I get to smoke what I remove from the humidifier. Am I making this way more complicated than it needs to be?

Thanks for the help,
Brett

[N2Advnture]

Hi all, A noob here and living in Colorado what suggestions do you have to keep a small (50ct) desktop and at about 65% humidity? I plan on keeping the desktop humi in the basement when the summer temps start spiking to try and maintain an environment below 70 degrees and being new, I'm not sure if I prefer a wetter or dryer stick yet but I think I might lean to something more in line with 65% vs 70%. How fast will a stick dry out once removed from the humidifier during the summer. I plan on using a travel case for the most part as it may be several hours before I get to smoke what I remove from the humidifier. Am I making this way more complicated than it needs to be?

Thanks for the help,
Brett

Hi Brett,

It has been my experience that as long as the travel humidor suits the number of sticks that you are carrying (ie 5 cigars in a 5 count and not 5 cigars in a 50 count travel humidor) and that the sticks are of the RH that you desire prior to putting them into the travel humidor, the travel humidor holds the RH fairly steady for a day or so (sometimes longer).

I hope this helps

~Mark

[Brett C]

Thanks N2Adventure for the response. The travel humidor is a 5 count with the foam for humidification so I think I'll be in good shape when I get the desktop set up correctly and the sticks where I want them before transferring them to the travel.
Brett

[SpoonOfThunder]

I used to smoke a cigar once a week with my buddies. But then I took a trip to Tampa for school and for three days in a row I smoked way beyond my normal, 6-7 a day. Since then I have been unable to enjoy cigars, and get a little nausea. With summer coming, my friends are all itching to try the cigars I brought back from the Caribbean, and I was wondering if there was anything you could reccomend to get back into cigars.

[N2Advnture]

I used to smoke a cigar once a week with my buddies. But then I took a trip to Tampa for school and for three days in a row I smoked way beyond my normal, 6-7 a day. Since then I have been unable to enjoy cigars, and get a little nausea. With summer coming, my friends are all itching to try the cigars I brought back from the Caribbean, and I was wondering if there was anything you could reccomend to get back into cigars.

Seriously, nicotine over dose isn't fun and while I haven't seen any medical reports, I'm sure it's not good for you.

Take a few weeks off and limit your smoking to 3 cigars a day (figure a cigar lasts about 1 hour - 1 1/2 hours, so that's 3 to 4 1/2 hours of cigar smoking a day which should be plenty).

Drink lots of water and if the nausea starts, consume something with a lot of sugar (even pour sugar under your tongue), eat some ice cream...it's helps combat the nicotine.

Just my opinion though.

I hope this helps

~Mark

[Scottastic]

At what point do cigars become un-salvageable? I know that all of mine are fine, but I got to thinking when I noticed my humidor had gotten a little dry: is there an obvious point when the cigars can't be saved?

[looking for know]

Sometimes toward the last third of a smoke I start tasting what I can only describe as a "burning plastic" or "acrid" taste. Is this the "ammonia" I see talked about? Does it mean I'm smoking too fast? Anyone else have this happen?

Last night it happened with an 07' A.F. Brevas, from a box I keep in a coolidor. These are usually smooth and mild, but that acrid taste....not so good.

[lightning9191]

Sometimes toward the last third of a smoke I start tasting what I can only describe as a "burning plastic" or "acrid" taste. Is this the "ammonia" I see talked about? Does it mean I'm smoking too fast? Anyone else have this happen?

Last night it happened with an 07' A.F. Brevas, from a box I keep in a coolidor. These are usually smooth and mild, but that acrid taste....not so good.

I would try purging it a few times during the smoke. Also I find that if you give it more time between puffs towards the end, the flavors are nicer.

[chippewastud79]

At what point do cigars become un-salvageable? I know that all of mine are fine, but I got to thinking when I noticed my humidor had gotten a little dry: is there an obvious point when the cigars can't be saved?

Technically there would be no cigar that has gotten too dry recover and to smoke. Are they still going to taste/smoke the same as they did before they got dried out? Likely not, but they will still be smokeable. The flavors are likely going to change and will probably be muted and dull compared to the original cigar. The longer they have been dry, the longer it will take to rehumidify them and the key is going to be taking your time to rehumidify them. Hope that helps :tu

[Chris.]

I think I know the answer to this but wanted to ask. I noticed that some of my cigars have a "sparkle" to them when lit. What causes this sparkle?

I want to expand on this...

When a cigar has crystal looking flakes in the wrapper and/or ash. What is that and what effect does it have on anything? A prime example would be the Oliva G Maduro.

[Savoy]

Which part of the cigar is the hotter, top or bottom?
We're told to rotate periodically, but whats the science behind
it?

Thanks for the knowledge!

Greg

[bobarian]

I want to expand on this...

When a cigar has crystal looking flakes in the wrapper and/or ash. What is that and what effect does it have on anything? A prime example would be the Oliva G Maduro.

Sparkly cigars=Good=Plume. Not noticed it on the ash before. But plume manifests itself as crystals, these are the oils which have matured and turned crystalline. Nothing prettier than a sparkly cigar in the sunlight!:tu

[N2Advnture]

Which part of the cigar is the hotter, top or bottom?
We're told to rotate periodically, but whats the science behind
it?
Thanks for the knowledge!
Greg

Hi Greg,

The only reason I know of to rotate occasionally is to help keep an even burn. Honestly, I never pay attention to it. If you store you cigars properly and light it properly (ie evenly) then you shouldn't run into a ton of burn or draw issues.

If you have a burn problem, it's just easier to touch it up with a lighter than it is to worry about rotating :tu

I hope this helps bro

~Mark

[Savoy]

Hi Mark,

Yes, it certainly does help! Thanks!

The purpose of the question did have only to do with an even
burn.
Well, that and curiousity I suppose...
(Always interested in learning more about "cigar-science".)

While I'll readily admit that I'm only just getting it together
with proper storage/lighting, I'll also admit that I've felt like
a dunce when having to touch it up with the lighter.
I've figured there must be a better way.... or rather, that
I must be doing something wrong.
You've clarified what that is.

Combine that with the fact that just about every "cigar-tips"
FAQ type thing recommend rotation, I felt it must be all about
that.

So much for conventional wisdom, I guess.

Thanks again!!
Greg

[kzm007]

I'm not a big cigar smoker, but I'd like to enjoy them more, as Ih ave been gifted a handful by various BsOTL on the forum.

I've been keeping them in their vacuum packs for a month or two in a filing cabinet, and plan to smoke a few at my brother's pig roast in a few days.

The packs have been opened a few times, but not a lot. Do you think the smokes will be too dry to smoke or no?

It's probably all based on personal taste and whatnot, I'm sure. But being a usual pipe smoker, I don't have a humi of any kind. I would think that the tobacco is probably hardy and fairly resilient to drastic change, right?

Thanks - Kegan

[Chris.]

as long as you keep the zippers closed tightly, they shouldnt loose much if any humidity if you only open it to remove one and close it right up.

[N2Advnture]

I'm not a big cigar smoker, but I'd like to enjoy them more, as Ih ave been gifted a handful by various BsOTL on the forum.

I've been keeping them in their vacuum packs for a month or two in a filing cabinet, and plan to smoke a few at my brother's pig roast in a few days.

The packs have been opened a few times, but not a lot. Do you think the smokes will be too dry to smoke or no?

It's probably all based on personal taste and whatnot, I'm sure. But being a usual pipe smoker, I don't have a humi of any kind. I would think that the tobacco is probably hardy and fairly resilient to drastic change, right?

Thanks - Kegan

Hi Kegan,

You should consider putting them into a humidified environment now though. I have done some experimenting with vacuum sealing over the years and the 1-2 month is about the longest I have had cigars retain the same humidity that they were put in with. (I've seal hygrometers with the cigars)

This is because most plastic used for bags is still porous.

I hope this helps

~Mark

[CubbiesFan4Life]

I recently had some cigars shipped to me overseas, they have not arrived yet but I expect them after about 2 weeks travel time. The outside temp over here is around 130 degrees. With the temperature fluctuations, and extensive travel time what kind of problems could I expect when I get them in? And how much time should they settle for?

[N2Advnture]

I recently had some cigars shipped to me overseas, they have not arrived yet but I expect them after about 2 weeks travel time. The outside temp over here is around 130 degrees. With the temperature fluctuations, and extensive travel time what kind of problems could I expect when I get them in? And how much time should they settle for?

130 degrees? I'd be concerned about beetles

Keep them isolated from your other smokes (ie: in a separate humidor) and let them acclimate for at least 4 weeks.

I hope this helps

[cady97dev]

Storing sticks in my Vino....Should I leave my sticks in plastics bags while in vino or remove them from bags. You can see what I mean in the "Lets see pics of you Humidor" section. I have some sticks loose and some in plastic zip lock bags.. PLease advise....

Thanks George

[md4958]

Storing sticks in my Vino....Should I leave my sticks in plastics bags while in vino or remove them from bags. You can see what I mean in the "Lets see pics of you Humidor" section. I have some sticks loose and some in plastic zip lock bags.. PLease advise....

Thanks George

George, you might wanna get yourself an empty cigar cab, or box from your local B&M. This way you can keep the sticks in there. Churchill size cigar box should fit most of them.

Ive seen people store their cigars in bags long term, but I personally dont.

If you do keep the cigars in their bags, you might wanna open them to get a little airflow.

[DPD6030]

George, you might wanna get yourself an empty cigar cab, or box from your local B&M. This way you can keep the sticks in there. Churchill size cigar box should fit most of them.

Ive seen people store their cigars in bags long term, but I personally dont.

If you do keep the cigars in their bags, you might wanna open them to get a little airflow.

:tpd: Definitely get a empty cab or box. I started to store them in the bags they came in and opened them up. Then I realized how much space the bags alone take up and pulled the cigars out and into boxes and/or drawers. I had more room for more stogies :ss

[cady97dev]

Thanks guys...I have them open a bit...I am actually waiting for Chasden to make me some trays....

[Savoy]

Hey!

How long (if at all) should a cigar come out of the humi before smoking it?

Thanks!
Greg

[Chris.]

Dont take them out until you are ready to smoke them. Assuming you are storing at proper RH levels, they are ready to go when you take it out. Keeping them out of the humi for any period of time, unsealed will just dry them out and over a few days to a week can ruin your cigars flavor.

[gbum]

Hi,
after reading some review here and there... i'm so interested to try those cabaiguan,nub and illusione cigar...so i wondering where should i go or who might i can contact so that i can buy those cigars...i not looking for a cabinet...maybe 5ers for each brand of torpedo or robustos...

another things is.. i'm staying in Malaysia,so i'm looking those company that can ship those cigar to my country...

sorry for the trouble and thank you so much... :)

[bobarian]

Hi,
after reading some review here and there... i'm so interested to try those cabaiguan,nub and illusione cigar...so i wondering where should i go or who might i can contact so that i can buy those cigars...i not looking for a cabinet...maybe 5ers for each brand of torpedo or robustos...

another things is.. i'm staying in Malaysia,so i'm looking those company that can ship those cigar to my country...

sorry for the trouble and thank you so much... :)

http://www.newhavanacigars.com/ Not sure if they ship overseas, but you might give them a call or email.

[SchizoFilly]

Ok, here's a question I want somebody to answer for me. How do you decide when you have enough for the time being and should smoke down your stash before buying more.....or is my problem just that I need another/bigger humidor?

[LordOfWu]

need another/bigger humidor

Answered your own question! :D

[GreekGodX]

Ok, here's a question I want somebody to answer for me. How do you decide when you have enough for the time being and should smoke down your stash before buying more.....or is my problem just that I need another/bigger humidor?

I wish there was an answer for this as I cannot stop buying cigars!! Get a few coolers and keep ordering brother :tu you think you are done and then you find another deal.

[SchizoFilly]

Glad the guest bed is comfy because the wife is not going to be happy with those answers.

[taltos]

Glad the guest bed is comfy because the wife is not going to be happy with those answers.Tell her that you got the coolers on sale.:D

[hotreds]

Storing sticks in my Vino....Should I leave my sticks in plastics bags while in vino or remove them from bags. You can see what I mean in the "Lets see pics of you Humidor" section. I have some sticks loose and some in plastic zip lock bags.. PLease advise....

Thanks George

You can actually buy some cheap pencil/pen holders to hold those loose cigars. I just got 10 at Meijers here for .39 each- don't think you have that store in Mass-but I'm sure you can get similar at Wallyworld or the like.

[aich75013]

Sometimes when my ash falls offf, my next draw tastes bitter.

Should I purge when the ash falls?
Should I be purging at times throughout the smoke?

I normally let the ash fall off naturally. It's usually about an inch long.

Thanks.

[NCRadioMan]

Sometimes when my ash falls offf, my next draw tastes bitter.

Should I purge when the ash falls?
Should I be purging at times throughout the smoke?

I normally let the ash fall off naturally. It's usually about an inch long.

Thanks.
I know guys that do it all the time. I used to then realized I was doing it when I didn't really have to. Try it and see what happens. I would think it would help.

[ValorBali41]

Here is a question for the thread. How do the makers of the tobacco infuse flavors into the cigar. For instance one may say that a cigar tastes of leather and coffee beans. But how is that flavor added?

Thanks

[NCRadioMan]

The tobacco sits in a room with whatever the infusion ingredient is and tobacco soaks it all up. Or some tobacco is aged in wiskey to other barrels used for alcohol and the baccy picks up those flavors. As for ACIDS, over 200 different natural herbs and Asian oils line the walls of his factory’s cuarto aromatico (aroma room) where the tobacco sits and soaks it up. I also think that some company's will use an extract directly sprayed onto the tobacco.

A non-infused cigars tobacco can have alot of natural flavors like leather or coffee beans, chocolate, spice, etc.

You can infuse your own cigars if you let one sit in a bag or box with a shot of your favorite alcohol and the cigar will pick up that flavor.

[Barteur]

I wish there was an answer for this as I cannot stop buying cigars!! Get a few coolers and keep ordering brother :tu you think you are done and then you find another deal.

:tpd:

[Snake Hips]

Here is a question for the thread. How do the makers of the tobacco infuse flavors into the cigar. For instance one may say that a cigar tastes of leather and coffee beans. But how is that flavor added?

Thanks
These flavors are not added, but are natural flavor characteristics of the tobacco. Many different types of tobaccos from many different countries and many different sub-regions are grown and cured in many different ways to offer a huge range of possible flavors found in cigars. The flavors themselves are what we percieve to be similar to other flavors, such as leather and coffee beans, although in actuality the cigar (obviously) just tastes like tobacco.

[Chris.]

:tpd:

I just don't look for deals until I feel a very strong urge to buy. So, like once a month probably. lol

[pmwz]

I am smoking cigars for around 3 years but i have never really tried told the cigars for a longer period with my mouth. The few times that i dit it was really uncomfortable (smoke up my eyes / weird to breath)
is there a special technique (want to try to smoke while riding bicycle)

[bigloo]

I am smoking cigars for around 3 years but i have never really tried told the cigars for a longer period with my mouth. The few times that i dit it was really uncomfortable (smoke up my eyes / weird to breath)
is there a special technique (want to try to smoke while riding bicycle)


Honestly, if you are going to smoke a cigar riding a bicycle, look for some crappy wood tipped cigars. They will solve your problems and will not waste your money. The wind when riding will cause the cigar to burn very hot, fast and crooked, it will turn a good cigar bad really fast.

[pmwz]

Honestly, if you are going to smoke a cigar riding a bicycle, look for some crappy wood tipped cigars. They will solve your problems and will not waste your money. The wind when riding will cause the cigar to burn very hot, fast and crooked, it will turn a good cigar bad really fast.
jlp petit cazadores would be the cigar that i plan on smoking. I dont think that i am going to do it more than 5 per year but its something that i like to try...

[Chingo]

Here is a question that just came up: how does cigar size affect flavor? I'm browsing Famous Cigars and I see varying customer ratings - some varying to a great degree for the same cigar but different size.

[NCRadioMan]

Here is a question that just came up: how does cigar size affect flavor? I'm browsing Famous Cigars and I see varying customer ratings - some varying to a great degree for the same cigar but different size.
It all comes down to filler vs wrapper ratio. A smaller ring guage cigar will give you more wrapper flavor plus the blend itself is more concentrated and they are usually a bit stronger and possibly more complex. You will taste more wrapper with a 42 rg cigar than a 58 rg cigar. The blend will vary, slightly, according to the size of the cigar as well. Most blenders will base a blend off the corona. Some the robusto.

I prefer 50 rg and under.

[Eleven]

Why is that one internet service in which you use them to pay others for products or services never called by its real name here?

I see 'poopal' and 'heygal' and things like that...is there a reason?

[Whee]

Why is that one internet service in which you use them to pay others for products or services never called by its real name here?

I see 'poopal' and 'heygal' and things like that...is there a reason?

They frown on being used for tobacco transactions. And we try not to attract any unneeded attention to ourselves.

They have frozen accounts.

[bobarian]

They frown on being used for tobacco transactions. And we try not to attract any unneeded attention to ourselves.

They have frozen accounts.

This partially true. The problem is age verification. There is at least one major tobacco retailer that uses ******, they have an agreement that they will verify ages before sales. This protects PP in case they are accused of enabling minors to purchase tobacco.

[Eleven]

In light of the 2 previous posts, I will heretofore use clever and hilarious substitutes for said internet pay service!

[Chris.]

This partially true. The problem is age verification. There is at least one major tobacco retailer that uses ******, they have an agreement that they will verify ages before sales. This protects PP in case they are accused of enabling minors to purchase tobacco.

I always wondered this but just dealt with it. The answers make sense! Thanks for asking!

[GROSSR]

How do you properly cut a torpedo cigar?

Never had one, curious if I do buy one.

[Adriftpanda]

How do you properly cut a torpedo cigar?

Never had one, curious if I do buy one.

There's really no correct way to clip off the top of a torpedo, IMO. I just clip a small piece, enough to where it the tobacco does not unravel. Just my :2

[Chingo]

How do you light a cigar with a torch lighter?

I had been used to using regular flame lighters and tried using a torch for the first time the other day. If I wasn't charring the heck out of it, I was burning the heck out of it. I also couldn't tell whether it was actually lit or just charred when using the torch lighter.

Now I'm not sure if the Oliveros tasted bitter because it was or because of my lighting "technique" :ss.

[Skywalker]

How do you light a cigar with a torch lighter?

I had been used to using regular flame lighters and tried using a torch for the first time the other day. If I wasn't charring the heck out of it, I was burning the heck out of it. I also couldn't tell whether it was actually lit or just charred when using the torch lighter.

Now I'm not sure if the Oliveros tasted bitter because it was or because of my lighting "technique" :ss.

Was it a one jet torch or more? More than one jet burns faster and hotter and you must hold the flame back from the foot to toast rather than burn.

Make sure you hold the lighter and flame back from the cigar. You only want the very tip of the flame touching ever-so-gently to the foot of the cigar (some people won't even let the tip touch). You can either rotate the foot around to evenly toast it or move the flame around.

Once you think it is lit blow on the foot gently to make sure it is lit evenly. The foot will begin to glow where it is toasted properly.

It should be ready to smoke after that!

BTW - Burning the foot rather than toasting can effect flavor!!!:2

[bobarian]

How do you properly cut a torpedo cigar?

Never had one, curious if I do buy one.

I cut my torpedos at an angle. Usually I will cut about 3/8" off at about a 40degree angle. I will then test the draw, if its too tight I cut a bit more off. The caps on many torpedoes will go up nearly an inch, so cutting at an angle gives more surface area to draw. Also the draw will sometimes tighten up when smoking a torp so recutting another 1/4" doesnt cut past the cap. But there is no wrong or right way. :2

[Chris.]

How do you properly cut a torpedo cigar?

Never had one, curious if I do buy one.

Cut a small bit and test the draw. If it's too tight, cut a hair more, test again. Rinse and repeat until you get a draw you are satisfied with. Just don't cut more than 3/4" typically.

[Whee]

How do you properly cut a torpedo cigar?

Never had one, curious if I do buy one.


I usually start with clipping a quarter inch off and go from there.

[Whee]

How do you light a cigar with a torch lighter?

I had been used to using regular flame lighters and tried using a torch for the first time the other day. If I wasn't charring the heck out of it, I was burning the heck out of it. I also couldn't tell whether it was actually lit or just charred when using the torch lighter.

Now I'm not sure if the Oliveros tasted bitter because it was or because of my lighting "technique" :ss.

I was taught to "Toast" the foot first, never letting the flame touch the foot. Give a few quick puffs and it should be lit. Most of the time, though, I do end up applying a little flame to the foot as I draw to ensure I get it lit. Try to avoid setting the foot on fire.:r Charring can cause the bitterness, give a few outward puffs before you draw if you think you charred it.

[gnarly]

What's the best way to really taste the flavor and intricacies of the cigar? I have my wine and coffee tasting techniques down where I can really appreciate both arts, but I've never learned it with cigars.

How hard do you draw on it? how long do you hold the smoke in your mouth? Do you stir your tongue around? Touch your tongue to the roof of your mouth before or after you exhale? Short quick puffs or long draws? Close your eyes? Smelling the wrapper after it's lit? Smelling the second-hand smoke after you've exhaled? Frequency of puffing? etc.

I also like to pair my cigars with bourbon or beer (sometimes wine or cocktails). I know this affects the taste, but it's enjoyable. To really know the cigar should I stick with club soda?

I know much of this could come down to preference, but I think it would be interesting.

Thanks,

Wyatt

[N2Advnture]

I cut my torpedos at an angle. Usually I will cut about 3/8" off at about a 40degree angle. I will then test the draw, if its too tight I cut a bit more off. The caps on many torpedoes will go up nearly an inch, so cutting at an angle gives more surface area to draw. Also the draw will sometimes tighten up when smoking a torp so recutting another 1/4" doesnt cut past the cap. But there is no wrong or right way. :2

I do this as well :tu

[N2Advnture]

How do you light a cigar with a torch lighter?

I had been used to using regular flame lighters and tried using a torch for the first time the other day. If I wasn't charring the heck out of it, I was burning the heck out of it. I also couldn't tell whether it was actually lit or just charred when using the torch lighter.

Now I'm not sure if the Oliveros tasted bitter because it was or because of my lighting "technique" :ss.

Hold the flame away from the foot of the cigar and let the heat from the flame light it - ie the flame doesn't touch the foot.

I hope this helps

~Mark

[safariguy]

Hold the flame away from the foot of the cigar and let the heat from the flame light it - ie the flame doesn't touch the foot.

I hope this helps

~Mark

I tried this last night and felt like it took 15 minutes to get it lit. OK that's an exageration but seriosly it took a really long time and I am surprised my lighter held out. Is this just something that I need to get the knack of and it will take less time the more I practice?

[Marcelo]

Im new to storing cigars, i usually smoke them when i recieve them, but I am deploying really soon here and I thought I would set up a humidor. I bought a large humidor and many cigars to fill it up with. i set up the humidor correctly and had no probs with that, but the cigars are individually wrapped, so the question being should i remove the wrappers for storing and then have my wife put the cigars back in the wrapper when she ships them to me? a lot of cigars will be in the humidor for a while, a month or more at a time before being shipped to me.
what would be the best process to do this? :confused:

thanks

[68TriShield]

Im new to storing cigars, i usually smoke them when i recieve them, but I am deploying really soon here and I thought I would set up a humidor. I bought a large humidor and many cigars to fill it up with. i set up the humidor correctly and had no probs with that, but the cigars are individually wrapped, so the question being should i remove the wrappers for storing and then have my wife put the cigars back in the wrapper when she ships them to me? a lot of cigars will be in the humidor for a while, a month or more at a time before being shipped to me.
what would be the best process to do this? :confused:

thanks

Leave them as they came,they will be fine.

[N2Advnture]

I tried this last night and felt like it took 15 minutes to get it lit. OK that's an exageration but seriosly it took a really long time and I am surprised my lighter held out. Is this just something that I need to get the knack of and it will take less time the more I practice?

Hold it just above the flame not too high though. Think about when you hold your hand over a match and how close you can get to it without touching the flame but it still burns your hand like an m fer

[Chris.]

I tried this last night and felt like it took 15 minutes to get it lit. OK that's an exageration but seriosly it took a really long time and I am surprised my lighter held out. Is this just something that I need to get the knack of and it will take less time the more I practice?

Make sure you are doing this in a windless environment. If there is wind present, you will have to bring the flame a bit closer. With torch lighters you can see the two different cones. Bring the outer cone to 'almost touching' the foot, and you should start to see it turning red. Hold it on one spot until it turns red and move to another spot. Don't forget to go back over that first spot for a quick round to make sure it doesn't get cold though! you'll get the hang of it. It takes me about 20-30 seconds to light a cigar depending on size. BTW: these rules are for single flame lighters. The multiple torch lighters have a slightly different rule since they have a much more intense/hot flame.

Im new to storing cigars, i usually smoke them when i recieve them, but I am deploying really soon here and I thought I would set up a humidor. I bought a large humidor and many cigars to fill it up with. i set up the humidor correctly and had no probs with that, but the cigars are individually wrapped, so the question being should i remove the wrappers for storing and then have my wife put the cigars back in the wrapper when she ships them to me? a lot of cigars will be in the humidor for a while, a month or more at a time before being shipped to me.
what would be the best process to do this? :confused:

thanks

What wrappers? The cellophane? Leave that on. It is no problem at all. Some people claim that aging a cigar is better with the cello off, but over the course of a month or two, it's no biggie.:tu

[Slavac]

Should I keep cigars that come in tins in the tins? Or should I remove the cigars from the tins before storing in my humidor?

Thanks guys.

[bobarian]

What's the best way to really taste the flavor and intricacies of the cigar? I have my wine and coffee tasting techniques down where I can really appreciate both arts, but I've never learned it with cigars.

How hard do you draw on it? how long do you hold the smoke in your mouth? Do you stir your tongue around? Touch your tongue to the roof of your mouth before or after you exhale? Short quick puffs or long draws? Close your eyes? Smelling the wrapper after it's lit? Smelling the second-hand smoke after you've exhaled? Frequency of puffing? etc.

I also like to pair my cigars with bourbon or beer (sometimes wine or cocktails). I know this affects the taste, but it's enjoyable. To really know the cigar should I stick with club soda?

I know much of this could come down to preference, but I think it would be interesting.

Thanks,

Wyatt

Depending on the origin of the cigar, retrohaling or snorking(exhaling through the nose) is the best way to make full use of your olfactory senses. You actually will "taste" quite a bit more using your nose. It takes some practice to exhale through your nose without taking any smoke into your throat or lungs, but you will be rewarded.

As far as pairings, I prefer water for taste tests. All drinks will affect taste and it takes quite a while to find the perfect pairings. As with wine and food, some pairings will work others may not. Try different pairings with the same cigar. Strong cigars like Pepin's may be able to stand up to a good bourbon or scotch. But others will be overwhelmed by the alcohol. Rootbeer is a good pairing, while I think Coke is a bit too strong for many smokes.

This all goes out the door when herfing(smoking multiple cigars with friends). Knowing I may smoke up to 8 cigars in a day, I try to start out with more mild or floral smokes and move to more full bodied as the herf goes on. If you start out with something like and Opus or a DPG Blue, it will be difficult for you to taste anything in a lighter cigar like a Padron Anni later in the day.

[Chris.]

Should I keep cigars that come in tins in the tins? Or should I remove the cigars from the tins before storing in my humidor?

Thanks guys.

I've always taken mine out of tins, but that was mainly due to storage restrictions. It shouldn't effect anything to stay in the tins though. They aren't air tight, so the cigars will still get humidified. I would leave the tins popped up though(open but not ajar).

[CigarNut]

What does "PPP" mean in reference giving someone a cigar?

[Whee]

What does "PPP" mean in reference giving someone a cigar?

Puff Puff Pass:tu

Offers a chance to multiple people to taste a cigar, Good, social herfing activity

[Snake Hips]

What does "PPP" mean in reference giving someone a cigar?
Puff Puff Pass. It's when a group of guys at a herf take turns passing around a cigar (usually many cigars), and it's what it sounds like - take a puff or two, pass it to the next guy. It's a way to share a great cigar (or a gag cigar ;)) with some other guys.

[safariguy]

I have seached this site pretty extensively looking for a "cigar guide for newbs and/or dummies." Found the guide for frequently used terms and acronyms which is great, but does not really the explain what a lot of the terms mean. I've searched the internet too but mostly just find retailers' sites. Any suggestions?

[chippewastud79]

I have seached this site pretty extensively looking for a "cigar guide for newbs and/or dummies." Found the guide for frequently used terms and acronyms which is great, but does not really the explain what a lot of the terms mean. I've searched the internet too but mostly just find retailers' sites. Any suggestions?

Which terms are you having trouble with? A more specific question may be in order.

Retailers can be found in this thread http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1612

I suggest The Party Source (http://www.thepartysource.com), best prices to be found :tu

[Whee]

I have seached this site pretty extensively looking for a "cigar guide for newbs and/or dummies." Found the guide for frequently used terms and acronyms which is great, but does not really the explain what a lot of the terms mean. I've searched the internet too but mostly just find retailers' sites. Any suggestions?


http://www.cigars4dummies.com/

:tu

[safariguy]

http://www.cigars4dummies.com/

:tu

That ought to do it. Thanks, Friend.

[Zanaspus]

I have seached this site pretty extensively looking for a "cigar guide for newbs and/or dummies." Found the guide for frequently used terms and acronyms which is great, but does not really the explain what a lot of the terms mean. I've searched the internet too but mostly just find retailers' sites. Any suggestions?

http://www.cigaradvisor.com/index.cfm

Is quite nice too. Keep in mind it's affiliated with Famous, so be slightly wary of their reviews(in spite of the fact that I've found them pretty fair with what I've smoked.). Other than that, heaps of useful starter info.

[pgagnon]

lets say im looking at a box code GEA ABR 08 does the 08m mean 2008?

[bobarian]

lets say im looking at a box code GEA ABR 08 does the 08m mean 2008?

Yes. Current box codes indicate Month and Year. The box you list would ba April 2008. GEA is a factory code, but since about 2005 factory codes have not been consistent. Often the same code may be used at multiple factories, so factory codes are not reliable. For older codes I dont have the link on hand, sorry.

[pgagnon]

tks for the info!!

[pgagnon]

in your humidor, do you put all your different single together? and does it alter their flavor if yo do?

[icehog3]

in your humidor, do you put all your different single together? and does it alter their flavor if yo do?

As long as you don't put any flavored or infused cigars in there (i.e., Acids, etc), you will be fine.

[pgagnon]

tks for the quick answer!

[icehog3]

tks for the quick answer!

We aims to please. :)

[pgagnon]

maybe you dont wanna say that :D

[icehog3]

maybe you dont wanna say that :D

Reasonable requests. ;)

[pgagnon]

im a reasonable person am i not?

[E.J.]

What would be considered too humid in my humidor?

I seasoned and let it sit for a few days, then checked today as I was dropping in some new cigars and it was reading 74.....it was 70 prior to putting the first batch in.........:confused:

Anyway, it is now getting a little more full and I will be interested if I can get the 20 in that should be delivered tomorrow....

Long story short.... Do I need to "worry" about 74? Should I pull everything, put it back in the travel humibag thing I was using and go back to square one.....?

[Mugen910]

What would be considered too humid in my humidor?

I seasoned and let it sit for a few days, then checked today as I was dropping in some new cigars and it was reading 74.....it was 70 prior to putting the first batch in.........:confused:

Anyway, it is now getting a little more full and I will be interested if I can get the 20 in that should be delivered tomorrow....

Long story short.... Do I need to "worry" about 74? Should I pull everything, put it back in the travel humibag thing I was using and go back to square one.....?

I depends on your preference to be honest...Some like their cigars on the more humid side due to flavors..but most people IIRC keep their cigars below or at 65%. Worst case scenario is that you have you take them out and dry them up a bit before smoking..I think mold is a possibility when talking about long term storage at 70%+

[N2Advnture]

What would be considered too humid in my humidor?

I seasoned and let it sit for a few days, then checked today as I was dropping in some new cigars and it was reading 74.....it was 70 prior to putting the first batch in.........:confused:

Anyway, it is now getting a little more full and I will be interested if I can get the 20 in that should be delivered tomorrow....

Long story short.... Do I need to "worry" about 74? Should I pull everything, put it back in the travel humibag thing I was using and go back to square one.....?

My first question(s) would be these:

1.) How did you season it and for how long?
2.) Have you calibrated your digital hygrometer?
3.) What humidification device are you using?

Just a note. Adding new cigars can easily raise your RH level as most shops tend to over humidify them to account for travel time and the fact that most customers don't have humidors (or have humidors that are set up properly).

I hope this helps

~Mark

[E.J.]

My first question(s) would be these:

1.) How did you season it and for how long?
2.) Have you calibrated your digital hygrometer?
3.) What humidification device are you using?

Just a note. Adding new cigars can easily raise your RH level as most shops tend to over humidify them to account for travel time and the fact that most customers don't have humidors (or have humidors that are set up properly).

I hope this helps

~Mark

1. Just did what many describe/my B&M recommended. Light wipe down with distilled water, then a saucer with DW left in the bottom 2 nights(Friday/Saturday). Xikar humidifier added on Saturday. Humidifier alone Sunday. Xikar hygrometer reading 70. Cigars added Monday. Noticed today adding more that I am at 74. Cigars added at first were from a humibag and had been with me for days.

2. As I read finding out if I should be worried about this level of humidity, it becomes clear that this is a step that I overlooked.

3. Xikar humidifier.


........ and the fact that most customers don't have humidors (or have humidors that are set up properly).

I hope this helps

~Mark

This obviously describes me....:o

So what is your advice now...... Pull everything....or just leave it as I calibrate....?

[Chris.]

I would just leave it in there. Make sure temps dont go above 70 degrees. Thats when beetles start hatching.

[E.J.]

Temps should be fine.....reading 17C.

Does that need calibration as well?

[Chris.]

I don't know how you could calibrate the temp...

[Slavac]

I've a few bundles of cigars that came wrapped in cello (the entire bundle, not each individual cigar).

Should I remove the outer cello from the bundle to help w/ aging?

For the record these are Nic 3000's I"m aging for a year+.

Thanks!

[Chris.]

B&Ms store their bundles in the cello, so it can't hurt. I'm sure they will age better with the cello opened up though.

[E.J.]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/362/humidor.jpg

Temp up a touch, humidity down a touch. Glass Hygrometer is at 61, I hear that are not very accurate......

Will go calibrate the digital.....

[Ic3man08]

Hey everyone, hope you all are doing well. I am pretty new to cigars, as previously mentioned in my intro and post about beads, and am wondering, what are some cigars I should be looking to try? Right now, I have set up my 40 cigar humi and have just about 7 or 8 sticks in there. Not a lot, i know. I have recently discovered Cigar Monster and have seen what i consider some pretty sweet deals there. Pretty much, i want to know,
- What should a Newbie as my self be on the lookout for?
- What Cigars are must haves for you veterans out there that you may have seen on CM or can recommend?
- Is CM a good place to buy?

I want to fill that humi, but of course, i want to in moderation. Sorry if i am posting in the wrong spot, but i saw beginner questions, so i thought maybe i could post here. Thanks in advance.

[chippewastud79]

- What should a Newbie as my self be on the lookout for?



Honestly, smoke everything you can get your hands on. Try a ton of stuff. There are 1000's of people on here and no one humidor looks exactly like another.

Try reading through the reviews here and see if there are notes about cigars that have flavors you like and try to pick them up as singles. :tu

Don't go crazy buying things just because there are good deals, there will always be good deals but just because a dog rocket is half price for a box you still get a half-priced box of dog rockets. Wait until you know what you like before you start buying boxes on sites like Monster, The Devil and Joe. :2

[Ic3man08]

Honestly, smoke everything you can get your hands on. Try a ton of stuff. There are 1000's of people on here and no one humidor looks exactly like another.

Try reading through the reviews here and see if there are notes about cigars that have flavors you like and try to pick them up as singles. :tu

Don't go crazy buying things just because there are good deals, there will always be good deals but just because a dog rocket is half price for a box you still get a half-priced box of dog rockets. Wait until you know what you like before you start buying boxes on sites like Monster, The Devil and Joe. :2

I wasn't going to buy a box, just checking out some samplers :/ . But anything you would recommend that is mild and good for a rookie? Maybe to help develop my pallette?

[chippewastud79]

I wasn't going to buy a box, just checking out some samplers :/ . But anything you would recommend that is mild and good for a rookie? Maybe to help develop my pallette?

Perdomo Lot 23, 5 Vegas A and Classic, Padron Anniversary Series, Any AVO. All these seem to be milder to me but still very flavorful. :tu

AVO is the most consistent cigar in my opinion and have lots of different flavors depending on which one you try. :2

[Chris.]

I say el triunfador. Let it rest a few months before you smoke it though. Try the fuente short story as well

[longknocker]

I wasn't going to buy a box, just checking out some samplers :/ . But anything you would recommend that is mild and good for a rookie? Maybe to help develop my pallette?

Mild: 5 Vegas Gold
Carlos Torano "Casa Torano":tu

[ade06]

Perdomo Lot 23, 5 Vegas A and Classic, Padron Anniversary Series, Any AVO. All these seem to be milder to me but still very flavorful. :tu

AVO is the most consistent cigar in my opinion and have lots of different flavors depending on which one you try. :2

I love the Padron Anniversary Seriers, but I wouldn't call them mild. It's a great smoke so you should still try them. :ss

[E.J.]

I want to fill that humi, but of course, i want to in moderation. Sorry if i am posting in the wrong spot, but i saw beginner questions, so i thought maybe i could post here. Thanks in advance.

I am TOTALLY new to this as well. Cigars I have enjoyed and continue to go back to. Padron '64's, Alex Bradley Tempus, Rockey Patel Decade have been favorites.

Bought a box of the AB's because it seemed cost effective to stop paying $10 for what I could pay $6.... They will become by go to until I decide I like something better that is so cost effective.

I have also enjoyed Casa Magna Robusto, Punch Rare Corojo(my neighbors go to) and Ashton Aged Maduro....all of which I would buy again and put in the humidor.

I am buying and smoking....trying to get an idea as to what I REALLY like. God this is fun & enjoyable stuff.....:tu

[MrOneEyedBoh]

I seen here under Scott's WTS link ( http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=485020&postcount=1 )

I noticed he said that his beads absorb any free ammonia what is given off of the cigars during aging. Do all beads absorb ammonia?

[Chris.]

No, scott's are a special type of bead. They work astoundingly well! I cannot explain how it does what it does, but maybe Scott can chime in?

[icehog3]

No, scott's are a special type of bead. They work astoundingly well! I cannot explain how it does what it does, but maybe Scott can chime in?

Not sure if Scott reads this thread, might be better to search some of his threads. :)

[massphatness]

Box code help:

SU SS1

Is this a 1998 box (SU)?

[ir13]

box code help:

Su ss1

is this a 1998 box (su)?

1998 = SU.

See Link

http://www.cubancigarwebsite.com/info-packaging.htm#Original_Date_System_(1985_to_1998)

[croatan]

Box code help:

SU SS1

Is this a 1998 box (SU)?

Yeah. Should be another letter before the SU for the month. _-SU-SS1 = Month - 1998 - Sancti Spiritus 1

[E.J.]

Do I need to have the humidification puck attached to the top of my humidor as I see is almost always the case with the different devices?

As you can see in the pic I posted on 09-29-2009, 07:54 PM it sticks down quite a bit. Think I can get a few more cigars in if I set it down somewhere, as opposed to leaving it on the top.....

[icehog3]

Do I need to have the humidification puck attached to the top of my humidor as I see is almost always the case with the different devices?

As you can see in the pic I posted on 09-29-2009, 07:54 PM it sticks down quite a bit. Think I can get a few more cigars in if I set it down somewhere, as opposed to leaving it on the top.....

It does not need to be attached to the top, E.J., I never kept mine there.

[E.J.]

It does not need to be attached to the top, E.J., I never kept mine there.

Thanks for the info!

[croatan]

It does not need to be attached to the top, E.J., I never kept mine there.

I did for a while. Until I discovered it leaking on my cigars for the first time. Then I discovered humidity beads. Then I discovered coolers. Then I discovered closets and industrial humidifiers. I'm kind of afraid of what I'll discover next. Hoping it's more money, though. I really need to buy some more cigars :r

[Calexan]

Ok so this might be a total beginner question. I'm just starting to try to enjoy them and not just be completely trashed when i break one out. Ive only tried a Fuente 8-5-8, which i dont know why but i really just got tired of. and a Padron 1964 which i really enjoyed, but i think i could have enjoyed it if i knew what i was doing.

Whats the best way to get the flavor out of the cigar and not just taste tobacco. I hear talk of nuts, pine, spices, cocoa, etc.... So can someone explain the proper way i should be taking the smoke in? Big puff, little puff, let it sit in my mouth till i have to breath, move my tongue around. Ive tried out the nose which is kinda hard because i dont smoke anything else so its all new and i dont want to inhale. Gimmie some pointers guys.

Thank yall

[theonlybear4CORT]

Ok so this might be a total beginner question. I'm just starting to try to enjoy them and not just be completely trashed when i break one out. Ive only tried a Fuente 8-5-8, which i dont know why but i really just got tired of. and a Padron 1964 which i really enjoyed, but i think i could have enjoyed it if i knew what i was doing.

Whats the best way to get the flavor out of the cigar and not just taste tobacco. I hear talk of nuts, pine, spices, cocoa, etc.... So can someone explain the proper way i should be taking the smoke in? Big puff, little puff, let it sit in my mouth till i have to breath, move my tongue around. Ive tried out the nose which is kinda hard because i dont smoke anything else so its all new and i dont want to inhale. Gimmie some pointers guys.

Thank yall
Welcome to CA :we

check this thread out and practice practice practice
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5182&highlight=snorking

[Whee]

Ok so this might be a total beginner question. I'm just starting to try to enjoy them and not just be completely trashed when i break one out. Ive only tried a Fuente 8-5-8, which i dont know why but i really just got tired of. and a Padron 1964 which i really enjoyed, but i think i could have enjoyed it if i knew what i was doing.

Whats the best way to get the flavor out of the cigar and not just taste tobacco. I hear talk of nuts, pine, spices, cocoa, etc.... So can someone explain the proper way i should be taking the smoke in? Big puff, little puff, let it sit in my mouth till i have to breath, move my tongue around. Ive tried out the nose which is kinda hard because i dont smoke anything else so its all new and i dont want to inhale. Gimmie some pointers guys.

Thank yall

It's something that comes with experience. Some folks will retrohale (exhaling through the nose) which does give you more flavors, but can be murder on the sinuses.

It took me a few months to actually pick up anything other than "pepper" and "tobacco".

Read some reviews, buy different strength, wrapper, filler combos and the flavors will begin to show up. Don't focus on it too much, the idea is to enjoy the cigar, not try to find that hint of 7 year old Madagascar Vanilla.:D

[Smokin Gator]

Wow... that is a hard one to answer in a post...

First of all just keep smoking. You will discover the sticks the YOU like and don't like.

As far as developing your palette to the point of tasting different things... it just takes time as well. Just as with fine wine or food it is a process that takes time to develop the skill. Some are more talented at it and will be better... and then some like me are always destined to have the palette of a goat!!!

I used to roll the smoke around in my mouth much more than I do now. Now I pretty much take a puff to get the smoke going, and then take a mouthful of smoke. I exhale some and then snork (nose smoke) some. The I exhale through my mouth and then the nose. That is just what I do and I am not saying it is THE way or anything.

When you start to snork just take little bits at a time... you will get used to it and you will truly begin to taste a lot more in the cigar.

[longknocker]

I did for a while. Until I discovered it leaking on my cigars for the first time. Then I discovered humidity beads. Then I discovered coolers. Then I discovered closets and industrial humidifiers. I'm kind of afraid of what I'll discover next. Hoping it's more money, though. I really need to buy some more cigars :r

Let Me Know When You Find That "Extra Money"!:):tu

[Calexan]

Ok ill try to snork..... i always end up coughing though but now that ive read the step by step it might help. I just feel like im wasting sticks when all i taste is the tobacco, but i understand that i need to let my sense develop more.

[wayner123]

Ok so this might be a total beginner question. I'm just starting to try to enjoy them and not just be completely trashed when i break one out. Ive only tried a Fuente 8-5-8, which i dont know why but i really just got tired of. and a Padron 1964 which i really enjoyed, but i think i could have enjoyed it if i knew what i was doing.

Whats the best way to get the flavor out of the cigar and not just taste tobacco. I hear talk of nuts, pine, spices, cocoa, etc.... So can someone explain the proper way i should be taking the smoke in? Big puff, little puff, let it sit in my mouth till i have to breath, move my tongue around. Ive tried out the nose which is kinda hard because i dont smoke anything else so its all new and i dont want to inhale. Gimmie some pointers guys.

Thank yall

I don't think it's so much the way you smoke (this can have an effect by fast or slow puffing can make it burn hotter/cooler) but the "mental links" one has is that which create the "flavors". I did an experiment on the old board which I can link you to ( I don't like to link puff on CA). In this experiment I gathered people who felt they too could not describe or gain flavors from smoking a cigar. The results were that people COULD get the flavors from the cigars but they needed the mental links by which to do so. Smokin Gator has it right in a sense. The professional tasters have in the past and continue to strengthen these mental links in order to pull out more flavors.

There is no right or wrong way as each person's experience is their own. But there are things which you can do to make sure you are getting the most out of every cigar. Lastly, I want to add that even in doing so, you can still find cigars that are not going to be what you like tasting.

[Calexan]

I don't think it's so much the way you smoke (this can have an effect by fast or slow puffing can make it burn hotter/cooler) but the "mental links" one has is that which create the "flavors". I did an experiment on the old board which I can link you to ( I don't like to link puff on CA). In this experiment I gathered people who felt they too could not describe or gain flavors from smoking a cigar. The results were that people COULD get the flavors from the cigars but they needed the mental links by which to do so. Smokin Gator has it right in a sense. The professional tasters have in the past and continue to strengthen these mental links in order to pull out more flavors.

There is no right or wrong way as each person's experience is their own. But there are things which you can do to make sure you are getting the most out of every cigar. Lastly, I want to add that even in doing so, you can still find cigars that are not going to be what you like tasting.

Please pm me the link if you dont mind..... Theres already tons of reading for me to do, but whats a little more! I like learning something im actually interested in. I really appreciate it.

[Chingo]

I had an Olivia Serie G tonight and I noticed the first inch or so was pretty harsh and not that great. After that though (1/2 the way through) it was wonderful. So why was the beginning not-so-good? Is it the cigar or something I was doing? I was taking it pretty slow so I don't think I was smoking it too fast and making it burn hot either.

[Chris.]

IME a lot of cigars are more powerful in the beginning for about an inch. It sometimes has to do with the way you light it though. Try to make sure you don't let the flame touch the cigar when lighting. Let only the heat from the flame light the cigar. It takes more patience, but I feel that I get better flavors that way.

[Langod]

I have a good quality (expensive) cigar that I had clipped at the store but ever ended up smoking. How long can I reasonably expect it to stay decent kept in my 65% humidor?
Would it help it's longevity if it put it in a cellophane wrapper off another stick?

[pnoon]

I have a good quality (expensive) cigar that I had clipped at the store but ever ended up smoking. How long can I reasonably expect it to stay decent kept in my 65% humidor?
Would it help it's longevity if it put it in a cellophane wrapper off another stick?
I would think that as long as it's kept in stable RH like your other smokes, it should be fine for an indefinite period of time.

[Langod]

I would think that as long as it's kept in stable RH like your other smokes, it should be fine for an indefinite period of time.

Excellent -- thank you.

[N2Advnture]

I would think that as long as it's kept in stable RH like your other smokes, it should be fine for an indefinite period of time.

Absolutely. Have smoked cigars 50 years old and still had legs for more age - it all depends on the cigar.

[Chris.]

I think you misunderstood the answer N2A. The original question was if the cigar would still be okay after clipping for long term storage. I agree with Peter.

[N2Advnture]

I think you misunderstood the answer N2A. The original question was if the cigar would still be okay after clipping for long term storage. I agree with Peter.

I was agreeing with Peter as well :tu

[Chris.]

oh. your additional comment made it sound like you were saying that cigars in general are fine to store for long periods of time. I thought maybe you didnt see the part about it already being cut. lol oops

[Cigar_Noob]

Hi guys for a person who owns no cutter what are my options? I know my bud would usually just smoke Backwoods..not cap cutting required but I wanted my first Cigar to be really...authentic, so I of course bought myself some Cigars...that need cap cutting..but I can't get a cigar cutter cuz I'm not very well off...(even if you guys think its cheap) and I really don't want to wait on the cutter either..I don't know how long I can keep the cigars just sitting around, and they wheren't very expensive either :p but anyways..guys got tips for a noob to cut his Cigar cap without one of them fancy things? I heard I can just poke a hole...is this true!?

[DPD6030]

Hi guys for a person who owns no cutter what are my options? I know my bud would usually just smoke Backwoods..not cap cutting required but I wanted my first Cigar to be really...authentic, so I of course bought myself some Cigars...that need cap cutting..but I can't get a cigar cutter cuz I'm not very well off...(even if you guys think its cheap) and I really don't want to wait on the cutter either..I don't know how long I can keep the cigars just sitting around, and they wheren't very expensive either :p but anyways..guys got tips for a noob to cut his Cigar cap without one of them fancy things? I heard I can just poke a hole...is this true!?


I would say your options are to take a sharp knife or just bite it off. I also heard of using a smaller brass case from a rifle round to "punch" a hole in the cigar.

[Chris.]

Hi guys for a person who owns no cutter what are my options? I know my bud would usually just smoke Backwoods..not cap cutting required but I wanted my first Cigar to be really...authentic, so I of course bought myself some Cigars...that need cap cutting..but I can't get a cigar cutter cuz I'm not very well off...(even if you guys think its cheap) and I really don't want to wait on the cutter either..I don't know how long I can keep the cigars just sitting around, and they wheren't very expensive either :p but anyways..guys got tips for a noob to cut his Cigar cap without one of them fancy things? I heard I can just poke a hole...is this true!?

Go back to the cigar shop and ask them for one of theor chep cutters. Every B&M I've been to carries some sort of $3 or less cutter that works well for a while. Biting the cap off SUCKS! If you don't want to do that, then maybe shove a pen into the cap.

[RightAJ]

Go back to the cigar shop and ask them for one of theor chep cutters. Every B&M I've been to carries some sort of $3 or less cutter that works well for a while. Biting the cap off SUCKS! If you don't want to do that, then maybe shove a pen into the cap.


X2

In dire situations I have also used a sharp pocket knife to cut the stick, but you may not wanna try this until you know what you're doing. It is not really a substitute for a cutter but works if you don't have one

aj

[elderboy02]

If you have a pocket knife, score the cap in a circle and then remove that piece. If you do it right, it will look like a punch cut.

[Cigar_Noob]

Hi and thanks for the advice guys. I don't know what a B&M is, perhaps someone could enlighten me? I didn't get my Garcia Y Vega's from a Cigar shop..just the local Mobile shop. I don't think they sell cutters.

[bobarian]

Hi and thanks for the advice guys. I don't know what a B&M is, perhaps someone could enlighten me? I didn't get my Garcia Y Vega's from a Cigar shop..just the local Mobile shop. I don't think they sell cutters.

B&M is a Brick and Mortar or regular cigar shop. Like the others said a sharp knife will work just fine.

[Cigar_Noob]

ahh thanks guys...but yeah we don't have a Cigar shop around here..not even a Tobacconist..we just have Gas stations.

[bobarian]

ahh thanks guys...but yeah we don't have a Cigar shop around here..not even a Tobacconist..we just have Gas stations.

Cigarbid.com is your friend. Also watch cigarmonster.com and joecigar.com for some good deals.

[RightAJ]

Some drug stores will carry cheap cutters... FYI

aj

[Cigar_Noob]

None of the stores I go to in my area sell these to my knowledge but I will make sure to take a look around. I have watched video's and read up on the whole cap cutting thing so if I had a sharp knife I don't feel TOO nervous about screwing it up, but anyone have or know of a simple step by step instructions to punch a hole in the cap? preferably from a "no cap puncher available" perspective.

[Kreth]

None of the stores I go to in my area sell these to my knowledge but I will make sure to take a look around. I have watched video's and read up on the whole cap cutting thing so if I had a sharp knife I don't feel TOO nervous about screwing it up, but anyone have or know of a simple step by step instructions to punch a hole in the cap? preferably from a "no cap puncher available" perspective.
If you don't have a punch, you can just use a toothpick to punch a bunch of holes in the cap until you can remove a small piece of it.
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[The Poet]

If you don't have a punch, you can just use a toothpick to punch a bunch of holes in the cap until you can remove a small piece of it.
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A golf tee works small wonders for this application too.

[Cigar_Noob]

Thanks guys :D How big should this hole I form be? and also how deep should this hole go? or am I just doing it to get that leaf thing off (cap)

[longknocker]

Thanks guys :D How big should this hole I form be? and also how deep should this hole go? or am I just doing it to get that leaf thing off (cap)

For A "Punch", All You Need Is an 1/8" deep if you use a golf tee. You simply want an opening to get the smoke out of the stick. If The Draw is too difficult, simply enlarge the size & Depth of the punch a little at a time until the draw is satisfactory to your tastes.:tu

[Kreth]

Thanks guys :D How big should this hole I form be? and also how deep should this hole go? or am I just doing it to get that leaf thing off (cap)
The size of the punch depends on the RG of your cigar. Start small and if the draw's too tight, you can always widen it.
And yes, you just want to remove the cap.
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[Cigar_Noob]

Thank you much guys.

[Cigar_Noob]

New question..more of a question about forum terminology, hope you guys don't mind I put it here. What does NC mean? and also CC (I think its called CC)

[Kreth]

New question..more of a question about forum terminology, hope you guys don't mind I put it here. What does NC mean? and also CC (I think its called CC)
NC = Non-Cuban
CC = Cuban cigar
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[NCRadioMan]

New question..more of a question about forum terminology, hope you guys don't mind I put it here. What does NC mean? and also CC (I think its called CC)

Many acronyms we use are here: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2190

Gotta love sticky's! :tu

[Cigar_Noob]

woops..my bad, thanks.