Beginner Questions (Ask Them Here!)

[pnoon]

Absolutely no reason to throw them away. They say that they cannot be recharged but this is not true. Put the dried out pack in a tupperware container with a small sponge(or piece of a sponge) moistened with distilled water. After 3 or 4 days the Boveda pack should be recharged and ready to use again.

Regarding the disadvantages of only using Boveda packs. They do not absorb moisture as quickly as beads, nor do they have the holding capacity. Boveda packs are a short term solution while beads are long term. :2

Bob is wise. :)

[T.G]

Absolutely no reason to throw them away. They say that they cannot be recharged but this is not true. Put the dried out pack in a tupperware container with a small sponge(or piece of a sponge) moistened with distilled water. After 3 or 4 days the Boveda pack should be recharged and ready to use again.

Regarding the disadvantages of only using Boveda packs. They do not absorb moisture as quickly as beads, nor do they have the holding capacity. Boveda packs are a short term solution while beads are long term. :2

To add to that...

Don't wait until the pack is crunchy or this might not work.

If you catch the pack when it is just getting thin, you're fine and it'll pump back up quickly.

[Chingas]

Do you use them like a blanket, off to the sides or attached to the top?

I just put a pack up top and a pack down below. I use 70% and that's just about where it stays.

[Chingas]

Do you use them like a blanket, off to the sides or attached to the top?

Absolutely no reason to throw them away. They say that they cannot be recharged but this is not true. Put the dried out pack in a tupperware container with a small sponge(or piece of a sponge) moistened with distilled water. After 3 or 4 days the Boveda pack should be recharged and ready to use again.

Regarding the disadvantages of only using Boveda packs. They do not absorb moisture as quickly as beads, nor do they have the holding capacity. Boveda packs are a short term solution while beads are long term. :2

I never knew that. Thanks Brother. You just saved me some serious cash in the future. Much appreciated.

[Hoosierguy]

I keep having to re-light my cigar. Does this have something to do with the cigar itself or with how I'm lighting it? I've watched countless videos on how to light a cigar and think I'm doing it correctly.

Please advise this newbie!

[chachee52]

So I'm heading down to Key West for my honeymoon and can't wait to get some of the cigars down there. I'm hearing there are a bunch of places that roll them right in front of you.
My question is, do you have to let these "age" or can you smoke them right way? I think that I'd go crazy waiting to smoke them if I had to!!

[awsmith4]

I keep having to re-light my cigar. Does this have something to do with the cigar itself or with how I'm lighting it? I've watched countless videos on how to light a cigar and think I'm doing it correctly.

Please advise this newbie!

Most likely its the cigar, it may be too wet.

What many here do is store our cigars at 60-65% rH instead of 70% and this eliminates most of the burn and relighting issues.

A quick fix is to let the cigar "drybox" for a day or two before smoking it. Place the cigar in a unhumidified box for a day or two and it will dry it out enough to smoke.

Another issue I have sometimes is the humidity in the air. I smoke outside a good bit and in GA during the summers it can get a bit humid causing my smokes to not want to stay lit. When this happens I just put up with the relighting, what other choice do I have.

[Hoosierguy]

Most likely its the cigar, it may be too wet.

What many here do is store our cigars at 60-65% rH instead of 70% and this eliminates most of the burn and relighting issues.

A quick fix is to let the cigar "drybox" for a day or two before smoking it. Place the cigar in a unhumidified box for a day or two and it will dry it out enough to smoke.

Another issue I have sometimes is the humidity in the air. I smoke outside a good bit and in GA during the summers it can get a bit humid causing my smokes to not want to stay lit. When this happens I just put up with the relighting, what other choice do I have.

I'm in Indiana and it's been really humid here. I don't have a humidor yet and thought I'd better smoke what I bought last week before they degrade.

Here is another question. I get the humidor 70% thing but what about temps? I don't have A/C and sometimes it gets pretty darn hot here. Is it ever better to move the humidor into the fridge on a really hot day??

[T.G]

I keep having to re-light my cigar. Does this have something to do with the cigar itself or with how I'm lighting it? I've watched countless videos on how to light a cigar and think I'm doing it correctly.

Please advise this newbie!

Typically a bad light will cause an uneven burn more than it will cause the cigar to go out. You want to light the entire foot fairly evenly and you should be fine. Lighting only a tiny corner, yeah, that could go out easily on you.

Probably more to do with the ambient humidity where you are and how moist the cigar is.

What are you keeping your humidors at?

[T.G]

So I'm heading down to Key West for my honeymoon and can't wait to get some of the cigars down there. I'm hearing there are a bunch of places that roll them right in front of you.
My question is, do you have to let these "age" or can you smoke them right way? I think that I'd go crazy waiting to smoke them if I had to!!

You can smoke fresh rolled cigars. Sometimes they are good to go, sometimes they need time. There really is no set rule.

A lot of it depends on how much age the leaves have before they were rolled. Also, depending on how moist the roller made the leaves when bunching, you mgiht run into a physical burn issue when trying to smoke them fresh.

Buy five. Smoke one. That will tell you right there about that particular cigar blend/size.

[T.G]

I'm in Indiana and it's been really humid here. I don't have a humidor yet and thought I'd better smoke what I bought last week before they degrade.

Likley that is your problem right there. Air is too moist, cigars might also be too moist.

Here is another question. I get the humidor 70% thing but what about temps? I don't have A/C and sometimes it gets pretty darn hot here. Is it ever better to move the humidor into the fridge on a really hot day??

I've found less burn problems and better flavors at 60%-65% than 70%RH. Oh, and no mold issues either.

Moving the humidor into the refrigerator is probably not a great idea.

[Hoosierguy]

What are you keeping your humidors at?

They are just about a week from the "fancy cigar store". Since then, they've been in a plastic bag but now they are gone (up in smoke if you will).

[chachee52]

You can smoke fresh rolled cigars. Sometimes they are good to go, sometimes they need time. There really is no set rule.

A lot of it depends on how much age the leaves have before they were rolled. Also, depending on how moist the roller made the leaves when bunching, you mgiht run into a physical burn issue when trying to smoke them fresh.

Buy five. Smoke one. That will tell you right there about that particular cigar blend/size.

Thanks. Is it something that etiquette wise is ok to ask the roller?

[postjack]

I've read a few times around here recently things to the effect of "the glycol/sponge almost ruined my cigars". I keep the vast majority of my sticks in my Edgestar with beads, but do keep a handful of *coughacidcough* cigars in a couple of twenty count humidors, which I use the glycol solution and sponge device to humidify. it does keep the cigars a bit wet, sometime approaching 72%, but it seems to do pretty good. so should I worry?

thanks everyone.

[pnoon]

I've read a few times around here recently things to the effect of "the glycol/sponge almost ruined my cigars". I keep the vast majority of my sticks in my Edgestar with beads, but do keep a handful of *coughacidcough* cigars in a couple of twenty count humidors, which I use the glycol solution and sponge device to humidify. it does keep the cigars a bit wet, sometime approaching 72%, but it seems to do pretty good. so should I worry?

thanks everyone.

Of course not. They're Acids. ;)
Seriously. You stated "it seems to do pretty good".
Nothing else matters. :2

[T.G]

At 72%, I'd start worrying about mold.

[postjack]

Of course not. They're Acids. ;)
Seriously. You stated "it seems to do pretty good".
Nothing else matters. :2

i didn't say they were Acids! i just coughed. ;)

At 72%, I'd start worrying about mold.

right on, i'll keep an eye on 'em then. as of last night they were flying just below the 70% mark.

[Hoosierguy]

Besides capacity, what is wrong with storing cigars in one of these travel humidors??
http://www.amazon.com/Cigar-Caddy-10-cigar-3240/dp/B001CRWDBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1279807942&sr=8-2-catcorr

[Chingas]

Besides capacity, what is wrong with storing cigars in one of these travel humidors??
http://www.amazon.com/Cigar-Caddy-10-cigar-3240/dp/B001CRWDBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1279807942&sr=8-2-catcorr

The short answer...Nothing. That will do just fine.

[Whee]

Besides capacity, what is wrong with storing cigars in one of these travel humidors??
http://www.amazon.com/Cigar-Caddy-10-cigar-3240/dp/B001CRWDBE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1279807942&sr=8-2-catcorr

I started out with travel humi and within three months had a 300ct, 150ct and a cooler.

Travel caddies will do just fine. I had cigars in mine for almost 8 weeks this spring while I was in Indiana and they smoked great.

Don't forget to mosey over to the new inmate section and post a hello, and check out the Monthly Hoosier Herf thread.

[Hoosierguy]

What do you gain from a wood humidor over plastic?

[kydsid]

What do you gain from a wood humidor over plastic?

Over time, the spanish cedar used in a wood humidor can lend an effect to the taste of cigars but this takes a long time. Wood humidors are the traditional means simply because spanish cedar and other mahagonies can absorb and release water with little to no warping. This is handy obviously in the use of a humidor. Technology has come a long way in terms of humidification sources, especially in two way sources so that a wood humidor isn't really needed, but is still nice.

[Hoosierguy]

Thanks for the input. This makes sense. My problem is that the temps in my house vary a lot through the seasons. The only cool place in the house in the summer is the floor of my furnace room (even though that sound contradictory).
I could place the plastic humidor on the floor and not worry about it. I'm afraid that a wooden box wouldn't fair so well on the concrete damp floor.

[Chingas]

Thanks for the input. This makes sense. My problem is that the temps in my house vary a lot through the seasons. The only cool place in the house in the summer is the floor of my furnace room (even though that sound contradictory).
I could place the plastic humidor on the floor and not worry about it. I'm afraid that a wooden box wouldn't fair so well on the concrete damp floor.

Hate to break it to you buddy but your at the Asylum now. Bigger boxes, multiple coolers and vinotemps are in your future weather you like it or not!

[waffle]

Hate to break it to you buddy but your at the Asylum now. Bigger boxes, multiple coolers and vinotemps are in your future weather you like it or not!

Spoken like a true addict.... *written from next the cooler I had to get cuz my 25 and 150 are full after 1 month*

[Hoosierguy]

I got a new Blazer lighter. What brand of butane should I use. I keep reading "DONT USE CHEAP BUTANE".

[Chingas]

I use Vector.

[markem]

I got a new Blazer lighter. What brand of butane should I use. I keep reading "DONT USE CHEAP BUTANE".

Vector is very good. If you go to a cooking supply store, you should find it for a decent price as it is used in creme broulee torches (food grade)

[waffle]

Vector is very good. If you go to a cooking supply store, you should find it for a decent price as it is used in creme broulee torches (food grade)

+1 Vector is what I use.

[Hoosierguy]

Good a consensuses!

[Hoosierguy]

What temps should I be storing my cigars at? I know that above 70* is a problem but how about on the low end. How cold is too cold?? What low temps should be avoided?

[T.G]

What temps should I be storing my cigars at? I know that above 70* is a problem but how about on the low end. How cold is too cold?? What low temps should be avoided?

Depends how long you're storing them at a lower temp, but generally, I've found that about anything above mid-50F's is fine for longer storage and being able to just pull one out of the humidor and smoke it.

[Chingas]

Depends how long you're storing them at a lower temp, but generally, I've found that about anything above mid-50F's is fine for longer storage and being able to just pull one out of the humidor and smoke it.

This brothers got serious knowledge. Pay attention when he posts.

As for me, I got a vino at 65 and one at 70. I do my own experiments to see what I like best.

[bobarian]

This brothers got serious knowledge. Pay attention when he posts.

As for me, I got a vino at 65 and one at 70. I do my own experiments to see what I like best.

Please dont feed the animals!

[T.G]

This brothers got serious knowledge. Pay attention when he posts.


Thanks, but make no mistake, there are lots of S/BOTLS here with high levels of knowledge. Sometimes I might be in that catergory, sometimes not.

[Chingas]

Thanks, but make no mistake, there are lots of S/BOTLS here with high levels of knowledge. Sometimes I might be in that catergory, sometimes not.

HosierGuy. Only listen to Adam This time!!!

[warren G.]

A quick question...generally how many boxes can you fit in a a coolidor? j/w

[Ogre]

A quick question...generally how many boxes can you fit in a a coolidor? j/w

Depends on the size of the cooler!!!!! And the sizes of the boxes

[warren G.]

Depends on the size of the cooler!!!!! And the sizes of the boxes

Yeah :( It was a pretty vague question. I'm leaning towards a 150qt and let's said I'm storing boxes no bigger then an Opus X. I got my desktop for storing singles.

[Bill86]

Ok so I'm looking to start up a humidor and cigars, rather than just buying them and smoking them. So I went to Cheaphumidors.com and I'm looking at buying.....

The Tuscany Humidor, with the cigars they offer + all the options (not to the max but VERY Close) Just not the Cigar Oasis, everything else maxed. $127
Mega and mild sampler - 15 cigars for 40 bucks...it'll help me get an idea of what I like.
Xikar cutter, supposed to be the best I hear? maybe? $38 bucks.

Looking at $204 not shipped...so I don't know what shipped. Advice and comments on my choices?

I usually smoke the same cigar, Sosa's? They are like $6 a shot and apparently a 91 on cigar aficionado.com? That's what my store tells me and I do like them a great deal.


Again if this were knives, guns, beers, bourbons, tequilas or rums I wouldn't need ANY help. But I'm a little new to this enjoyment. Any advice and help is more than appreciated.

Questions like, Does the humidor matter? *what's the difference*? How Do I pick a good one? .....What cigars smoke/taste like Sosa's but are better?

[Chingas]

Bigger Humi!

[Bill86]

Bigger Humi!

100-120 Cigars isn't enough to START?

[Chingas]

100-120 Cigars isn't enough to START?

You're not safe here. Save yourself the trouble of buying ten of those!

[Bill86]

Crap please tell me you guys aren't like my knife forums....talking me into a $400 pocket knife O_O

So what humidor should I buy to start?

[Chingas]

This should do...

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/XXchingasxx/Cigars/a18c9f16.jpg

[bonjing]

just like buying a gun safe, go bigger than you need, and it still won't be enough room down the line :D

[Bill86]

This should do...

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd23/XXchingasxx/Cigars/a18c9f16.jpg

O_O HOW PERDY......MUST HAVE.....someday....

[Bill86]

just like buying a gun safe, go bigger than you need, and it still won't be enough room down the line :D

OH now you're speaking my language....got ya. I own an AR-15, mossberg, and I sold my glock, trying to acquire a new P30 from H&K. I'm only 23 but I've been kinda lucky to enjoy some of life's little pleasures.

But could you please explain humidors and the pro's/cons.....is it literally just size or....what? That's what she said BOOM!

[bobarian]

Ok so I'm looking to start up a humidor and cigars, rather than just buying them and smoking them. So I went to Cheaphumidors.com and I'm looking at buying.....

The Tuscany Humidor, with the cigars they offer + all the options (not to the max but VERY Close) Just not the Cigar Oasis, everything else maxed. $127
Mega and mild sampler - 15 cigars for 40 bucks...it'll help me get an idea of what I like.
Xikar cutter, supposed to be the best I hear? maybe? $38 bucks.

Looking at $204 not shipped...so I don't know what shipped. Advice and comments on my choices?

I usually smoke the same cigar, Sosa's? They are like $6 a shot and apparently a 91 on cigar aficionado.com? That's what my store tells me and I do like them a great deal.


Again if this were knives, guns, beers, bourbons, tequilas or rums I wouldn't need ANY help. But I'm a little new to this enjoyment. Any advice and help is more than appreciated.

Questions like, Does the humidor matter? *what's the difference*? How Do I pick a good one? .....What cigars smoke/taste like Sosa's but are better?

Bill, 100-120 cigars is more than enough to start. But be aware that humidors are always overrated for capacity. If it says 100-150 it typically will hold 80-120 cigars. I dont know what size cigars they use but based on a variety of sizes you can expect your humidor to hold about 2/3 of its rated capacity.
There are many good humidor vendors out there, many have used CheapHumidors with great success. You might want to look at the cigars at CigarsInternational, you can get free shipping on your entire purchase if you purchase the JoeCigar deal of the day.

Invest $20 in a digital hygrometer, Xikar makes a good one. Get a Boveda test kit to calibrate your hygrometer its much easier than doing a salt test.
Also, look into some humidity beads(I use 65% beads from HeartfeltIndustries.com), they are much easier to use than a sponge and PG solution. :2

As far as cigars, its really hard to recommend anything as everyone has different tastes and goes through a discovery process when looking for that ideal cigar. That's half the fun of this hobby/obsession. Enjoy whatever it is you decide to smoke. :tu

[Bill86]

Bill, 100-120 cigars is more than enough to start. But be aware that humidors are always overrated for capacity. If it says 100-150 it typically will hold 80-120 cigars. I dont know what size cigars they use but based on a variety of sizes you can expect your humidor to hold about 2/3 of its rated capacity.
There are many good humidor vendors out there, many have used CheapHumidors with great success. You might want to look at the cigars at CigarsInternational, you can get free shipping on your entire purchase if you purchase the JoeCigar deal of the day.

Invest $20 in a digital hygrometer, Xikar makes a good one. Get a Boveda test kit to calibrate your hygrometer its much easier than doing a salt test.
Also, look into some humidity beads(I use 65% beads from HeartfeltIndustries.com), they are much easier to use than a sponge and PG solution. :2

As far as cigars, its really hard to recommend anything as everyone has different tastes and goes through a discovery process when looking for that ideal cigar. That's half the fun of this hobby/obsession. Enjoy whatever it is you decide to smoke. :tu

Right on, I figure let's face it, I have MANY other hobbies and addictions, so each one gets it's own budget and whatnot. So even if it holds 75 cigars, that's enough before I start smoking them like a bad habit.

although......http://www.cheaphumidors.com/HUM-300GR.html 300 cigars for $110 isn't a bad price ...and 300 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.

So I should just get the base ...300 cigar humidor from cheap humidors and the Xizar cutter, where do I order the Xizar hygrometer?

[T.G]

although......http://www.cheaphumidors.com/HUM-300GR.html 300 cigars for $110 isn't a bad price ...and 300 IS MORE THAN ENOUGH.


I tend to approach the humidors with lots of front drawers like that with caution as a lot of them leak like sieves.

[Bill86]

interesting, so I should just go with my original tuscany top opener? Holds 100-120, even if that's 75-100 ...still should be enough to start. then I could "upgrade". How are the ones with glass tops, or glass period, I figure IMO I would imagine they let in light NEGATIVE and they can break...NEGATIVE.

[T.G]

Glass is one of those things that depends on where you are going to use it.

Direct sunlight hitting the glass of a humidor isn't really a good thing, but glass in a typical artificially lit room isn't any big deal.

Sometimes the seals around glass top humidors leak and they require some work to get them to seal, but I've never heard of one breaking.

[bobarian]

Actually that humidor does not have drawers, they are only decoration if you check the description. If you like the looks then it should be fine. Has a tray for singles and a good amount of storage below. I agree with Adam, stay away from glass tops they are nice looking but require more maintenance.

HeartfeltIndustries has a nice adjustable hygrometer for $22, and you can get a Boveda kit tossed in for $3. One Extra large tube of beads should be more than enough for that sized humidor. http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/products.asp?cat=65%25+Rh+Humidity+Beads
Most here prefer 65% beads to 70% as most cigars seem to smoke better at the lower Rh. :2

[Bill86]

Ok explain the beads thing, sorry for all the questions just trying to hopefully get this right on the first try. Is the Hygrometer upgrade for $20 on cheap humidors good or no?

[T.G]

Actually that humidor does not have drawers, they are only decoration if you check the description. If you like the looks then it should be fine. Has a tray for singles and a good amount of storage below. I agree with Adam, stay away from glass tops they are nice looking but require more maintenance.



Thanks Bob, you're right, I didn't really read the description, I just glanced at it and thought it was a multi-drawer humidor.


;s

[T.G]

Ok explain the beads thing, sorry for all the questions just trying to hopefully get this right on the first try.


Most cigars should be kept humidified to keep them from possibly losing flavor.

There are many different ways to humidify cigars. The beads are one of these ways.

For smaller humidors, beads work quite well. They don't take up much space and they have a unique advantage over most other forums of humidification: they can both release moisture and absorb it. Few other humidification systems can lower the humidity in a humidor when it gets over the set point. Beads are also very simple. Simply buy them, put them in the humidor and water them if necessary.

There are a lot of published pages, mostly by e-tailers, touting 70%RH. While this isn't "bad", as you hang around and have more interaction with other BOTLs here (and most any forum for that matter) you will find that a large number will advocate humidity in the 60% to 65% RH range, because, as a slightly drier smoke, the cigars will burn better, more evenly, have a lesser chance of being plugged and usually have more pronounced flavors.

[bobarian]

Ok explain the beads thing, sorry for all the questions just trying to hopefully get this right on the first try. Is the Hygrometer upgrade for $20 on cheap humidors good or no?

Looks like a good hygrometer. The advantage of one that is adjustable is that you can set it to the right Rh. All hygrometers must be calibrated, the Boveda kit is set at a specific humidity(I think 74%) when you put your hygrometer in the kit if it reads 72% an adjustable hygrometer can be re-adjusted to 74%. With a non adjustable you will have to remember that your hygrometer is reading 2% low.

Beads are similar to the silica gel you may use in your gun cabinet to remove moisture. But as Adam said they are set to a specific humidity and will add or absorb moisture as necessary.

I see that you missed posting an introduction. Please stop here http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7 and tell us a little about yourself.

[Bill86]

Ah there's the introduction forum. Posted. So it seems my start up rig isn't a bad choice and I may as well go with it. So I hear it usually takes 7 days for the humidor to get to the right humidity, whats the shelf life on cigars? Say I ordered a humidor with 30 cigars, would I be fine waiting the 7 days to put them in there without.....them going....bad?

[T.G]

Ah there's the introduction forum. Posted. So it seems my start up rig isn't a bad choice and I may as well go with it. So I hear it usually takes 7 days for the humidor to get to the right humidity, whats the shelf life on cigars? Say I ordered a humidor with 30 cigars, would I be fine waiting the 7 days to put them in there with.....them going....bad?

7 days is totally dependant on the climate and humidity where you live and the the humidor. It could take more, but it will most likely take less.

You can just open the lid, add cigars, add humidifier(s), close the lid and forget about it. That's all I've ever done. I've never "seasoned" a humidor, it'll get there on it's own just fine.

If you want to, no problem. Just put your cigars into a tupperware container that seals well or into a ziplock bag (and that into another ziplock bag if you wish) and that will be fine for a week or more. If the seal is good on the tupperware/ziplock (hence the bag in a bag) then, your cigars will keep quite a long time in these storage containers without an external humidity source since the plastic doesn't breathe, and therefore, lose humidity/moisture.

[bobarian]

Here is the link to the humidor seasoning thread. Check the stickies at the top of each forum for a ton of helpful information. http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=620&highlight=seasoning

[Bill86]

Well I think that's more than enough information, thanks guys. I'll look into ordering this setup as soon as I get paid.

[nayslayer]

hey, how about the Treasure Dome..Got mine on cbid cheap

[T.G]

hey, how about the Treasure Dome..Got mine on cbid cheap

Most reviews/sentiment that I've heard have been positive.

I do seem to recall some scattered reports of the hinges tearing out of the lid, most likely due to the weight and locations of the center of mass being way behind the hinges.

Other than that, I don't really recall any oft repeated complaint. Of course there is the occasional one that doesn't seal well, but such is bound to happen with any of the inexpensive mass produced humidors.

[ujponds]

One Extra large tube of beads should be more than enough for that sized humidor. http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/products.asp?cat=65%25+Rh+Humidity+Beads


Do you lay those tubes in with your cigars like it's another cigar or do you put it off to the side?

[bobarian]

Do you lay those tubes in with your cigars like it's another cigar or do you put it off to the side?

I put my tube across the top of shorter sticks like robustos.

[Bill86]

hey, how about the Treasure Dome..Got mine on cbid cheap

Yeah there are those imperfect ones on ch for pretty good deals

[timj219]

Why do the cigar manufacturers make house brands for famous and CI? And what are those cigars? I like all the Toranos I've tried and I just read that they also make the 5 vegas "A" cigars. And looking at famous I see torano has made a cigar they put their label on too. So I was checking out these torano house brands and they cost roughly the same as some of the Torano branded cigars and I have no idea what to think. Are there any general rules for knowing which of these might be worth a try? Or is it always on a case by case basis?

[T.G]

Why do the cigar manufacturers make house brands for famous and CI?

Cigar manufacturers make cigars. It's what they do. CI/Famous comes to one of them and says "Hey, we want a new cigar with our name on it. We need x-many hundred thousand cigars, y-number vitolas, at the following price point. Has to be light/medium/full bodied and have a whatever wrapper. Can you do it? How much will it cost us?"

What are they supposed to tell CI/Famous? "No, we're going into the rubber duckie manufacturing business instead, piss off."? ;)


And what are those cigars?

100% tobacco, I would hope.

But if you're buying house brands from Thompson's, they might or might not even be that much.

I like all the Toranos I've tried and I just read that they also make the 5 vegas "A" cigars. And looking at famous I see torano has made a cigar they put their label on too. So I was checking out these torano house brands and they cost roughly the same as some of the Torano branded cigars and I have no idea what to think.

It's a blender and manufacturer that you know you like. The price isn't so low that one might be worried if they are filled with sawdust and floor sweepings, nor is it so high that one might automatically dismiss it as overpriced.

Are there any general rules for knowing which of these might be worth a try?

If you like the blender and manufacturers other work, and if the description sounds interesting or along the lines of what you like, then yeah, it's probably worth a shot. (see below for second half of answer)

Or is it always on a case by case basis?

Yeah, that's the other thing. Just because you like a lot of stuff from one manufacturer, doesn't mean you'll like these house brands, or the other way around.

If the description intriques you, I would say pick up a 5 pack or a mixed size sampler and give it a try. If you hate them, you can always trade them or send them to the troops.

[timj219]

If the description intriques you, I would say pick up a 5 pack or a mixed size sampler and give it a try. If you hate them, you can always trade them or send them to the troops.I thought at first that if I just learned a few technical terms and rules of thumb and identified a few smokes I like I could just order boxes of those and I'd be all set. Now I'm starting to get the idea that it will take me years to hunt down and sample all the cigars that seem intriguing. What a shame :)

[pnoon]

I thought at first that if I just learned a few technical terms and rules of thumb and identified a few smokes I like I could just order boxes of those and I'd be all set. Now I'm starting to get the idea that it will take me years to hunt down and sample all the cigars that seem intriguing. What a shame :)
It's no shame. It's an adventure.

Remember, it's about the journey. Not the destination.

[icehog3]

It's no shame. It's an adventure.

Remember, it's about the journey. Not the destination.

Izz true! Izz true!!! :tu

[T.G]

It's no shame. It's an adventure.

Remember, it's about the journey. Not the destination.

Yep. :tu

[bobarian]

It's no shame. It's an adventure.

Remember, it's about the journey. Not the destination.

Peter is wise. :banger

It is not advisable to buy boxes when you are starting out on this trek. What you like today you may find does not appeal to you in a few months. Some find it useful to keep a journal of the cigars they have tried. Then sample others of the same brand to see if it is a brand that appeals to you across the board. But also take note of the wrapper type and the country of origin of the tobacco.
For instance if you find an Oliva you like, try other Oliva's in different wrappers or blends. And take note that Oliva is made from Nicaraguan tobacco and try others using the same tobacco, they wont all taste the same.
Check out the Newbie Sampler Trade as a good way to taste what others are smoking. Sample as many different cigars as you can until you start narrowing down your tastes and developing your palate. Read reviews of the cigars you smoke to see if you taste similar things. Have fun and enjoy the ride. :2

[longknocker]

Great Advice, Peter, Tom, & bobarian!:tu I Only Buy Boxes When I'm sure I Love the stick after at least 5 smokes of that particular gar!:tu

[timj219]

I haven't been keeping cigars at home for very long so I thought I would run this by all of you.
I've got a tupperdor and I've had maybe 20 different kinds of cigar in it for anywhere from a couple days to a couple months. It seems to me that some of my cigars have burn problems if stored for more than a few days unless I take them out of the humi a day or two ahead of time. Others work great right from the humi. The problem seems to be most obvious so far with my partagas spanish rosados. Even if I don't have burn problems it seems like the head gets moist as I smoke it sometimes.
I'm getting ready to buy some two way beads and a digital hygrometer and I'm wondering if I should get some 60% beads as well as 70% and keep two humidors? One for storage and one for "ready to smoke" cigars? Or maybe even get a box with no humidification at all? Is this all in my head or do some cigars hold more moisture than others?

[T.G]

I would just keep everything at the same humidity (60%-65%), much simpler that way.

Some cigars do take longer to shed/gain excess moisture due to how they are rolled and what type or thickness of tobacco leaf is used in their construction as not all leaves shed/gain moisture at the same rate, nor will they all hold the same amount of water.

[timj219]

I would just keep everything at the same humidity (60%-65%), much simpler that way.

Some cigars do take longer to shed/gain excess moisture due to how they are rolled and what type or thickness of tobacco leaf is used in their construction as not all leaves shed/gain moisture at the same rate, nor will they all hold the same amount of water.It's good to know there are variations in the cigars and it's not just me.
So I won't need any 70% at all? I like that. The gel humidification I'm using now is 70 and that seems like the default when looking at the products online. Is the choice of 60 or 65 strictly personal or are there reasons to go with one or the other?

[pektel]

What I've read is that the draw is easier, you get a better burn, and the flavors are more pronounced when smoking a cigar from a 60-65%rh humi.

I am a total NOOB myself though. Just going by what I'm reading.

[T.G]

So I won't need any 70% at all? I like that. The gel humidification I'm using now is 70 and that seems like the default when looking at the products online. Is the choice of 60 or 65 strictly personal or are there reasons to go with one or the other?

60% or 65% seems to be more about personal preference than anything else.

[T.G]

What I've read is that the draw is easier, you get a better burn, and the flavors are more pronounced when smoking a cigar from a 60-65%rh humi.


Compared to 70%, yeah, pretty much. Plus, at 70% you are very close to the humidity levels necessary to cultivate mold, a little innacuracy on the reading and after a few days to a few weeks like that, and you could have mold forming on your cigars.

Difference between 60% and 65% is more about personal preferences though, and some people prefer their cigars even drier than that.

[Chris.]

Mine sits at 67% and I haven't tried anything lower than that, but I haven't had near as many burn issues at 67 as I did at 70

[bsmokin]

I've had 24 Oz of 65% HCM Beads in my Edgestar 28 humi for about 3 weeks now. I've calibrated my hydro. The thing _still_ reads 69%. How long does it take for most people to see it come down to 65%? Does this mean I somehow have a leak? My drain plug is plugged quite well at this point....

[icehog3]

I've had 24 Oz of 65% HCM Beads in my Edgestar 28 humi for about 3 weeks now. I've calibrated my hydro. The thing _still_ reads 69%. How long does it take for most people to see it come down to 65%? Does this mean I somehow have a leak? My drain plug is plugged quite well at this point....

A leak would more likely cause your humidity to be lower, Bryan, so I am thinking it's something else. Were your cigars overhumidified prior to having the beads? What company are the HCM beads made by, I am not sure if I am familiar with them. And what method did you use to calibrate your hygrometer?

[bsmokin]

A leak would more likely cause your humidity to be lower, Bryan, so I am thinking it's something else. Were your cigars overhumidified prior to having the beads? What company are the HCM beads made by, I am not sure if I am familiar with them. And what method did you use to calibrate your hygrometer?

Thanks for the reply Tom. Got the beads through this site: http://hcmcigarbeads.com/... Michael (CigarNut). The reason I say a leak is cuz the RH in my basement where my cigars are is actually higher. I don't see how a leak is possible though. That was part of the reason I went with a fridgador... figured that was a 'sealed' as you could get. I calibrated with a 75.5% Boveda kit. My cigars were overhumified prior... that's part of the reason I got these beads... had different ones before that didn't seem to be cutting it. Maybe it's just not enough time?

[timj219]

The reason I say a leak is cuz the RH in my basement where my cigars are is actually higher.I hear that. The dehumidifier in my basement runs 24/7 all spring and summer. We've had rain every day for a couple weeks now and that surely doesn't help. I've moved my cigars to the bedroom to enjoy the A/C.

[kydsid]

Well first every time you open it in a higher humidity environment you are allowing humidity into the cooler. Second edgestars etc are not air tight. The cooling system has an intake and exhaust. If you are not running it in the basement because it is cool enough down there I would plug it in and run the unit. The reason is through the cooling unit being on it will dehumidify the incoming air.

My unit runs 24/7 in an environment with higher ambient humidity. It took several months of operation for all of the cigars and drawers to reach equilibrium. But I have been rocking 65% humidity for over a year and haven't added any water to the beads in that whole time.

[bsmokin]

Well first every time you open it in a higher humidity environment you are allowing humidity into the cooler. Second edgestars etc are not air tight. The cooling system has an intake and exhaust. If you are not running it in the basement because it is cool enough down there I would plug it in and run the unit. The reason is through the cooling unit being on it will dehumidify the incoming air.

My unit runs 24/7 in an environment with higher ambient humidity. It took several months of operation for all of the cigars and drawers to reach equilibrium. But I have been rocking 65% humidity for over a year and haven't added any water to the beads in that whole time.

Wow. I'm a moron. I really thought these things were air tight. Jeeze. So... then I have a serious concern about running the fridge... What about condensation!?!? I've seen post about this...

Do you have condensation problems in your fridgador?

[icehog3]

Looks like Jason has a lot more experience with your set-up than I do, Bryan...hope his post helps.

[waffle]

Thanks for the reply Tom. Got the beads through this site: http://hcmcigarbeads.com/... Michael (CigarNut). The reason I say a leak is cuz the RH in my basement where my cigars are is actually higher. I don't see how a leak is possible though. That was part of the reason I went with a fridgador... figured that was a 'sealed' as you could get. I calibrated with a 75.5% Boveda kit. My cigars were overhumified prior... that's part of the reason I got these beads... had different ones before that didn't seem to be cutting it. Maybe it's just not enough time?

Check them by themselves and see if theyre running high, michael sent directions on how to lower them if theyre too high.

[kydsid]

Wow. I'm a moron. I really thought these things were air tight. Jeeze. So... then I have a serious concern about running the fridge... What about condensation!?!? I've seen post about this...

Do you have condensation problems in your fridgador?

Do I? Hell yes. I even have my own thread (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19819)on it in the accessories section.

But I have condensation problems because the temperature goes up and down in the house all day and is usually higher than 80.

From what sounds like for you you shouldn't have that large of a problem since the temperature shouldn't be varying that much. You will have a little condensation from the cooler removing the ambient air water after opening. Now of course by turning on the cooler you have to take into account your 1.5lbs of beads may not be enough. I run 2lbs and an extra fan, but again I have more extreme climate to yours.


Now if you go this route, not really necessary since 69% is a fine humidity you can go with the following:






The nice thing about an Edgestar is the drain design. Once plugged it will back up and overflow down the back wall to the bottom. Now provided you don't keep anything on the bottom that isn't a real problem. The bottom ridges in the unit are sloped towards the door. I put a half full bag of beads in the channel righ near the door to soak up the extra water. Once or twice a week I swap that with another bag. Since it is in equilibrium now that is all I have to do for maintenance.

[bsmokin]

Do I? Hell yes. I even have my own thread on it in the accessories section.

But I have condensation problems because the temperature goes up and down in the house all day and is usually higher than 80.

From what sounds like for you you shouldn't have that large of a problem since the temperature shouldn't be varying that much. You will have a little condensation from the cooler removing the ambient air water after opening. Now of course by turning on the cooler you have to take into account your 1.5lbs of beads may not be enough. I run 3lbs, but again I have more extreme climate to yours.


Now if you go this route, not really necessary since 69% is a fine humidity you can go with the following:






The nice thing about an Edgestar is the drain design. Once plugged it will back up and overflow down the back wall to the bottom. Now provided you don't keep anything on the bottom that isn't a real problem. The bottom ridges in the unit are sloped towards the door. I put a half full bag of beads in the channel righ near the door to soak up the extra water. Once or twice a week I swap that with another bag. Since it is in equilibrium now that is all I have to do for maintenance.

Thanks Jason! Funny, cuz I just found your thread you mentioned... that's actually the same thread I had in mind when I said I stuff about condensation before! ;) Didn't realize it was you.

This kinda sucks. I really don't want to have to worry about condensation. If I had known this I very well may have passed on the fridgador idea... :(

Maybe I just let it be as-is for a while and see how things go.... I'm really not sure what to do now. I hate the idea of condensation / water on the floor of the humi!!!

[kydsid]

Thanks Jason! Funny, cuz I just found your thread you mentioned... that's actually the same thread I had in mind when I said I stuff about condensation before! ;) Didn't realize it was you.

This kinda sucks. I really don't want to have to worry about condensation. If I had known this I very well may have passed on the fridgador idea... :(

Maybe I just let it be as-is for a while and see how things go.... I'm really not sure what to do now. I hate the idea of condensation / water on the floor of the humi!!!



Well keep in mind my environment is at the extreme range. The humidity can vary from 100% in the morning to 40% 12 hours later. In that same time frame the temperature can go from 75 to 110. This plays havoc on the stability of ANY humidor and I have had condensation in cooledors as a result.

Those changes are more responsible for my condensation issues and are atypical of what condensation if any you see in your unit.



If I was in your place this is what I would do:


1) Run as is for another 3 weeks and monitor humidity, moving the hygrometer to different positions within the unit every day. Opening the unit no more than once a day for a very short period.

2) If after those three weeks I had a recorded variance in humidity within the unit, differences more than 2-3% I would look into getting some kind of fan solution for the unit. Using another 3 weeks see how the fan affects my humidity. Possibly adding another .5lb of beads also.

3) *Understanding your aversion to condensation, otherwise I would put this as number 2* Run the unit for 3 weeks and see where my humidity levels are and monitor the condesation closely, if any.

4) Be happy with whatever humidity I get after all that work and let the damn thing be. I think doing some work to get it right is okay but after a while you just have to sit back and let it be what it is otherwise you'll go nutty trying to have the perfect humidity and temperature 24/7.

[bsmokin]

Jason you're the man! Thanks for the great advice and taking the time.

Tonight I looked closely at the sides and back of the unit and was reminded that there are vents all over that fridge! I took the time to tape up all these vents. I'm hoping this really helps the situation.

I will try this and give it some more time and see how things go....

[bobarian]

I dont know if sealing off the vents is a good idea. Vinotemps use a closed system and I believe that the Edgestar's are the same.(A call to the manufacturer could verify this). If you seal the vents there is no way for the Peltier units to cool themselves and I think this will lead to further problems and possibly premature failure of the unit. :2

[Chingas]

I dont know if sealing off the vents is a good idea. Vinotemps use a closed system and I believe that the Edgestar's are the same.(A call to the manufacturer could verify this). If you seal the vents there is no way for the Peltier units to cool themselves and I think this will lead to further problems and possibly premature failure of the unit. :2

Agreed!

Bryan. I got two Vinos and live in Jersey too. I had a little condensation issues early but it's pretty stable now. I put a lb of beads in one of those sacks and put it on top of the drain plug. This soaks up whatever drips from the cooling unit. I wouldn't be tampering with the vents Brother. That just sounds bad.

[bsmokin]

Agreed!

Bryan. I got two Vinos and live in Jersey too. I had a little condensation issues early but it's pretty stable now. I put a lb of beads in one of those sacks and put it on top of the drain plug. This soaks up whatever drips from the cooling unit. I wouldn't be tampering with the vents Brother. That just sounds bad.

I should have been more clear... I sealed the vents AND kept the unit off. I'd rather be able to keep the unit off, and have a closed system. This way no worry about condensate... and no worries about the electric bill... ;)

I'm going to wait and see if I can get the humidity down to 65% - the RH for the beads. Probably give it about a month. If after that it still doesn't come down, then I will seriously consider plugging the fridge in....

Should have got a tower of power... too bad my wife wont let me.

[N2Advnture]

Well first every time you open it in a higher humidity environment you are allowing humidity into the cooler. Second edgestars etc are not air tight. The cooling system has an intake and exhaust. If you are not running it in the basement because it is cool enough down there I would plug it in and run the unit. The reason is through the cooling unit being on it will dehumidify the incoming air.

My unit runs 24/7 in an environment with higher ambient humidity. It took several months of operation for all of the cigars and drawers to reach equilibrium. But I have been rocking 65% humidity for over a year and haven't added any water to the beads in that whole time.

Beat me too it. Solid advice. :tu

[CigarNut]

...What company are the HCM beads made by, I am not sure if I am familiar with them...Tom, these are Shilala's beads -- he often referred to them as "HCM" beads, so I made that the company name when I acquired the business from Scott.

...I had a little condensation issues early but it's pretty stable now. I put a lb of beads in one of those sacks and put it on top of the drain plug. This soaks up whatever drips from the cooling unit. I wouldn't be tampering with the vents Brother. That just sounds bad.You do not want to do this with Shilala/HCM beads -- they should not come into direct contact with water.

There has been a lot of good advice here. One thing you can do is to verify the RH of the beads (as the RH may have risen if the RH inside the Edgestar has been high for a long period). Just put the beads in a ziplock with a (recently tested) hygrometer for a while and see what the RH is. Based on this you can determine if the beads need to be adjusted.

[icehog3]

Tom, these are Shilala's beads -- he often referred to them as "HCM" beads, so I made that the company name when I acquired the business from Scott.



Thanks Michael...I just figured you would call 'em "Nutty Beads" now. :)

[CigarNut]

Thanks Michael...I just figured you would call 'em "Nutty Beads" now. :)Maybe some day Tom... Maybe...

[Chris.]

I suggest adding cedar trays and/or boxes. My rh used to stay above 70 no matter what until I added more cigar boxes to my cooler. I'm using 4 cigar trays and several boxes along with about a pound of beads in a 48qt cooler. Rock steady at 67% :)

[bsmokin]

Ok... new 'newbie' question...

I'm curious...

How do people find it's best to keep up with the latest posts, etc., on CA? I find myself just hitting 'New Posts' constantly... Is this what most people do? Is there a better way?

[Chingas]

Bryan, I'm new too but here's my method. I start with my replies. Read and address what I want. When that's clear I move to today's posts. Read thru and address etc. Then I head over to new inmate processing, invade I missed welcoming in any new noobs.

Repeat!

[bsmokin]

Chingas, I like it man! Thanks! ;)

[T.G]

Go to the main page:
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/index.php

Look to the right of the main forum names and you'll see ">>new>>"

Julian ("mmblz") added that feature maybe six months ago. Absolutely great for finding new posts in only the forums you care about, or having the new posts grouped by forum.

[pnoon]

Ok... new 'newbie' question...

I'm curious...

How do people find it's best to keep up with the latest posts, etc., on CA? I find myself just hitting 'New Posts' constantly... Is this what most people do? Is there a better way?

Lots of different ways to approach it. Different techniques work best for different people.

I do exactly what you do. Works just fine for me.

[bsmokin]

Please HELP!!!

So, I plugged my fridge in... and the RH went from 69 to 74% in a matter of 2 hours!!! The temp did drop from 67 to 62, so I know the cooling is working.

Please visit my other thread and see the details and help me out with some opinions! Im kinda freaking out here...:confused:

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?p=943263#post943263

[T.G]

Relax dude.

RH is a measure of how much moisture is in the air versus how much it can hold. Warm air can hold more moisture than cold air, so, in other words, as temp drops, but the amount of moisture vapor in the the air stays constant, the RH is going to go up.

[Chingas]

Relax dude.

RH is a measure of how much moisture is in the air versus how much it can hold. Warm air can hold more moisture than cold air, so, in other words, as temp drops, but the amount of moisture vapor in the the air stays constant, the RH is going to go up.

Dry beads should soak some of the extra Rh up. If not, toss in some cedar or boxes. That should help.

[bsmokin]

Update: My RH in my Edgestar is down to 71% this morn with temp at 62degs. Moving in the right direction...

[Flying Pig]

Does the label on a cigar serve any purpose other than identification?

[Chingas]

Does the label on a cigar serve any purpose other than identification?

I believe if you use the search function here there is a thread already about this but if memory served me right, The short of it is back in the day , the band use to help keep the wrapper on.

Noadays, no other use than identifying the stick.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[colinb913]

Back in the day they were used to keep the oils off of white gloves the upperclassman used to wear.. Or so i have been lead to believe.

[Pass]

I believe if you use the search function here there is a thread already about this but if memory served me right, The short of it is back in the day , the band use to help keep the wrapper on.

Noadays, no other use than identifying the stick.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I believe this is correct.

Back in the day they were used to keep the oils off of white gloves the upperclassman used to wear.. Or so i have been lead to believe.

As I recall reading... Smoking with your gloves on was considered bad form. So I'm not sure that this is the reason. I can't remember where I read that, though... nor why it was considered bad form. I may be all wet on this one, though.

[T.G]

I believe if you use the search function here there is a thread already about this but if memory served me right, The short of it is back in the day , the band use to help keep the wrapper on.

Noadays, no other use than identifying the stick.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Not sure if I've ever heard that one before. Not outright saying it's wrong, but it's not really logical. Cigars were rolled for quite a long time before bands were added, all the cigars prior to the "invention" of the use of bands, held together without them just fine.

As for today, yes, that things related to it.

Back in the day they were used to keep the oils off of white gloves the upperclassman used to wear.. Or so i have been lead to believe.

Also illogical. If there was that much oil it would permiate the bands too, some of which were cloth. Plus, how oily is an "oily" wrapper really? It's not.



I have about ten different books on the history of tobacco and cigars and what's funny is that none of the authors seem to really agree on how bands came about. Some of the theories presented as facts by them include: it was used as a tax stamp, or to keep people's fingers clean from the chickory that some cigars were rolled in for color dying and flavoring, or it was by the order of a noble, or it was an enterprising merchant who wanted to distinguish his cigars from the rest, and so on. No clear consensus that I can recall. It got to be so silly that by about the 4th book, I would just only barely skim, or even just entirely skip that section.

[darkleeroy]

Today, the wrapper serves several purposes. (1) To help allure smokers, (2) to identify cigars, (3) to flex cigar-peen i.e. The Davidoff Leather Cigar Ring (http://www.luxist.com/2009/10/27/new-davidoff-cigar-band-redefines-conspicuous-luxury/), and (4) to keep the wrapper intact on dry, poorly cut cigars.

I mainly use the wrapper to flex my cigar-peen. People know I'm serious business smoking Dominican Cohibas and Gurkhas.

[T.G]

Today, the wrapper serves several purposes. (1) To help allure smokers, (2) to identify cigars, (3) to flex cigar-peen i.e. The Davidoff Leather Cigar Ring (http://www.luxist.com/2009/10/27/new-davidoff-cigar-band-redefines-conspicuous-luxury/), and (4) to keep the wrapper intact on dry, poorly cut cigars.

I mainly use the wrapper to flex my cigar-peen. People know I'm serious business smoking Dominican Cohibas and Gurkhas.

:r:r:r:r

[N2Advnture]

i mainly use the wrapper to flex my cigar-peen. People know i'm serious business smoking dominican cohibas and gurkhas

roflmao!

[NCRadioMan]

Back in the day they were used to keep the oils off of white gloves the upperclassman used to wear.. Or so i have been lead to believe.

Most likely a myth. Here is some great info: http://www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,2322,755,00.html

On paper bands: Cigar Bands - Hearsay & History

The origin of cigar bands lies primarily in the realm of business and commerce. By the early 1800s the Caribbean island nation of Cuba was the commonly acknowledged source of the finest cigars in the world. Cigar manufacturers shipped cigars in wooden barrels or small wooden boxes which were inscribed with the name of the manufacturer and place of origin, but without any further adornment on the cigars themselves. Cigar bands made of paper were reportedly first introduced by a Dutchman working in the cigar industry in Havana in the 1830s. In Europe it was apparently not uncommon to find unscrupulous merchants attempting to sell inferior, domestically made cigars as a finer Cuban brand, thus Cuban cigar manufacturers soon began to utilize paper bands as a deterrent to counterfeiting and fraudulent marketing.

http://pages.ripco.net/~whizstrt/bandinfo.htm

[timj219]

I was examining a cigar and realized the wrapper is only the thickness of one tobacco leaf. This made me wonder a couple things. If so little of the cigar is wrapper, how much can the wrapper contribute to the flavor? Does the contribution increase with a thinner cigar since it has a correspondingly greater wrapper/filler ratio? Is the wrapper leaf more powerfully flavored that the filler leaves so it can contribute to the flavor even though there is much less of it?

I've never smoked two cigars where the only difference between them was the wrapper leaf so I can't go by experience.

[darkleeroy]

I was examining a cigar and realized the wrapper is only the thickness of one tobacco leaf. This made me wonder a couple things. If so little of the cigar is wrapper, how much can the wrapper contribute to the flavor? Does the contribution increase with a thinner cigar since it has a correspondingly greater wrapper/filler ratio? Is the wrapper leaf more powerfully flavored that the filler leaves so it can contribute to the flavor even though there is much less of it?

I've never smoked two cigars where the only difference between them was the wrapper leaf so I can't go by experience.

Tim, it depends on the cigar itself, but I would say the majority of cigars gain it's primary flavors from the wrapper. The most upfront tastes and aroma like that come from cigars come from the wrapper. Both the filler and the binder are the backbone of the cigars, and provide the subtle nuances, and probably the nicotine kick.

For a second, consider something like Angostura bitters, although only one or two dashes are put in something like an Old Fashioned, immediately one can distinguish a difference between whiskey with the bitters and without the bitters. The same is true for cigars with a wrapper and without.

The easiest, and probably least fun way is to peel the wrapper off a cigar you're familiar with and try smoking just binder and filler. You'll definitely notice a difference.

Finally, yes most of the time there is a difference between ring gauge and flavor. Those cigars which have thicker ring gauges tend to balance between wrapper, binder, and filler and as a result, tend to be not as bold as thinner ring gauges.

[lovenhim]

Hello everyone. I found this forum by using Google, so here I am. Smile I am a newbie to cigars. I know some very basic info but that is about it. I have smoked a few cigars but that is all. I got them while on a road trip from JR Cigar in NC. I do not remember what they were exactly other than they were JR Alternative brand. I already own a dual blade SS cigar cutter, but I do not have a humidor. I am a bang for the buck/value for the money kind of guy and want to enjoy a cigar and not spend a lot of money doing it. If I am happy with a $2 cigar then why pay $10? I realize and understand that everyone has different tastes when it comes to a cigar, so I am wondering where is a good place to start? From the little that I know I prefer a medium bodied cigar to a mild. Where do I start and how do I learn? I have read The Idiots Guide To Cigars and it helps with basics. Thanks for the help.

[bobarian]

Hello everyone. I found this forum by using Google, so here I am. Smile I am a newbie to cigars. I know some very basic info but that is about it. I have smoked a few cigars but that is all. I got them while on a road trip from JR Cigar in NC. I do not remember what they were exactly other than they were JR Alternative brand. I already own a dual blade SS cigar cutter, but I do not have a humidor. I am a bang for the buck/value for the money kind of guy and want to enjoy a cigar and not spend a lot of money doing it. If I am happy with a $2 cigar then why pay $10? I realize and understand that everyone has different tastes when it comes to a cigar, so I am wondering where is a good place to start? From the little that I know I prefer a medium bodied cigar to a mild. Where do I start and how do I learn? I have read The Idiots Guide To Cigars and it helps with basics. Thanks for the help.

Start here in the Newbie forum. http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7 The stickies here and at the top of each forum section are the best place to find much of the information you seek. Have fun and enjoy what you smoke, if that's a $2 cigar, then great! :tu

[darkleeroy]

Just remember, whatever size you think you need, triple it.

[Kreth]

Hello everyone. I found this forum by using Google, so here I am. Smile I am a newbie to cigars. I know some very basic info but that is about it. I have smoked a few cigars but that is all. I got them while on a road trip from JR Cigar in NC. I do not remember what they were exactly other than they were JR Alternative brand. I already own a dual blade SS cigar cutter, but I do not have a humidor. I am a bang for the buck/value for the money kind of guy and want to enjoy a cigar and not spend a lot of money doing it. If I am happy with a $2 cigar then why pay $10? I realize and understand that everyone has different tastes when it comes to a cigar, so I am wondering where is a good place to start? From the little that I know I prefer a medium bodied cigar to a mild. Where do I start and how do I learn? I have read The Idiots Guide To Cigars and it helps with basics. Thanks for the help.
This (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=643) is a good place to start. :tu
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[lightning9191]

Hello everyone. I found this forum by using Google, so here I am. Smile I am a newbie to cigars. I know some very basic info but that is about it. I have smoked a few cigars but that is all. I got them while on a road trip from JR Cigar in NC. I do not remember what they were exactly other than they were JR Alternative brand. I already own a dual blade SS cigar cutter, but I do not have a humidor. I am a bang for the buck/value for the money kind of guy and want to enjoy a cigar and not spend a lot of money doing it. If I am happy with a $2 cigar then why pay $10? I realize and understand that everyone has different tastes when it comes to a cigar, so I am wondering where is a good place to start? From the little that I know I prefer a medium bodied cigar to a mild. Where do I start and how do I learn? I have read The Idiots Guide To Cigars and it helps with basics. Thanks for the help.

You've found a great resource right here in the Asylum. Stick around, introduce yourelf, and have fun. We don't care what you smoke as long as you enjoy it.

[timj219]

For a second, consider something like Angostura bitters, although only one or two dashes are put in something like an Old Fashioned, immediately one can distinguish a difference between whiskey with the bitters and without the bitters. The same is true for cigars with a wrapper and without.Good analogy - especially for me because I was a bartender in a former life.

[kydsid]

Does the label on a cigar serve any purpose other than identification?

There is actually a series of Russian Cigar Clan articles that has been reprinted on another site with permission of the IP owner, that includes some insight into the subject. Basically what has been said is they are id, anti counterfeit and marketing.




The series of articles are actually some of the best about cigars I have ever read. I dunno how the TOE feels about linking to another site. Considering the articles cannot be reprinted without permssion I don't want to copy paste them here though. What say the TOE?

[icehog3]

There is actually a series of Russian Cigar Clan articles that has been reprinted on another site with permission of the IP owner, that includes some insight into the subject. Basically what has been said is they are id, anti counterfeit and marketing.




The series of articles are actually some of the best about cigars I have ever read. I dunno how the TOE feels about linking to another site. Considering the articles cannot be reprinted without permssion I don't want to copy paste them here though. What say the TOE?

Depends on the site, Jason. PM it to me if you like.

[NCRadioMan]

There is actually a series of Russian Cigar Clan articles that has been reprinted on another site with permission of the IP owner, that includes some insight into the subject. Basically what has been said is they are id, anti counterfeit and marketing.


That's what is said in the article I linked earlier.

[kydsid]

That's what is said in the article I linked earlier.

Ya I had an senior moment. I was writting in that response originally that what you had said was repeated and backe up. I just left that part out between what my brain said and what my fingers wrote.

[NCRadioMan]

Ya I had an senior moment. I was writting in that response originally that what you had said was repeated and backe up. I just left that part out between what my brain said and what my fingers wrote.
You have that too, huh? :r

[jbuck]

Give the La Trviata by CAO a try. Great flavor with 4 diffrent finishes. I perfer the Toro size

[Mr. Ed]

Quick question: Is the length and firmness of the ash (and, I guess, the amount of time it stays on) indicative of the quality of the cigar?

I ask because through general observation, the cigars that are supposed to be 'higher' quality have their ash stay on longer than budget smokes.

[kydsid]

Quick question: Is the length and firmness of the ash (and, I guess, the amount of time it stays on) indicative of the quality of the cigar?

I ask because through general observation, the cigars that are supposed to be 'higher' quality have their ash stay on longer than budget smokes.


Yes. A quality hand rolled cigar should be able to retain about 1" of ash if not exposed to wind or bumps. The amount of ash depends on the leaves used and mostly the rolling of the cigar. Machine rolled cigars will be much looser in general and ash easier than hand rolled and the more experienced the roller the better possible ash column.

[Mr. Ed]

Yes. A quality hand rolled cigar should be able to retain about 1" of ash if not exposed to wind or bumps. The amount of ash depends on the leaves used and mostly the rolling of the cigar. Machine rolled cigars will be much looser in general and ash easier than hand rolled and the more experienced the roller the better possible ash column.

Thanks. That's what I figured.

[Sam Tushing]

I'm moving beyond buying whatever cigars I can find here in town and would like to order some cigars online. Which online cigar stores are reputable? I've seen Cigars International mentioned here...even above in this thread...but where are most of you ordering your cigars from?? Thanks for your help.

[kydsid]

I'm moving beyond buying whatever cigars I can find here in town and would like to order some cigars online. Which online cigar stores are reputable? I've seen Cigars International mentioned here...even above in this thread...but where are most of you ordering your cigars from?? Thanks for your help.

This should help you out.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=572075&postcount=40

[timj219]

I'm moving beyond buying whatever cigars I can find here in town and would like to order some cigars online. Which online cigar stores are reputable? I've seen Cigars International mentioned here...even above in this thread...but where are most of you ordering your cigars from?? Thanks for your help.I'm relatively new at ordering online also. But I've personally had good luck in the last few months with my orders from both CI and Famous (http://www.famous-smoke.com/). I was also impressed with my recent visit to the B&M Habana Premium Cigar Shoppe in Albany NY. I'm sure their online store (http://www.pipesandcigars.com/) would also be a good choice.

Edit:
Or like Jason said

[timj219]

I just received some Perdomo Fresh Rolled. The blurb at CI says
"tobaccos are already aged yet they’re rolled and shipped immediately"

This makes me think most cigars must receive additional aging after they are rolled. Is this correct? I've seen at least one cigar described as being aged (for a year I think) after rolling and before shipping. But it seems like most cigar descriptions, if they mention aging at all, talk about aging before rolling. I am gradually getting ahead of myself and am keeping some cigars for as long as a couple months. Also I notice that famous dates their cigars with a received date which tells me they have aged at least that long before I get them.

Are there cigars which are well aged after rolling and others which are not? Is it a big deal? And if so how long is long enough to make a difference?

[kydsid]

I just received some Perdomo Fresh Rolled. The blurb at CI says
"tobaccos are already aged yet they’re rolled and shipped immediately"

This makes me think most cigars must receive additional aging after they are rolled. Is this correct? I've seen at least one cigar described as being aged (for a year I think) after rolling and before shipping. But it seems like most cigar descriptions, if they mention aging at all, talk about aging before rolling. I am gradually getting ahead of myself and am keeping some cigars for as long as a couple months. Also I notice that famous dates their cigars with a received date which tells me they have aged at least that long before I get them.

Are there cigars which are well aged after rolling and others which are not? Is it a big deal? And if so how long is long enough to make a difference?



Once tobacco leaf is harvested it is usually air-curred for cigars from 4 to 8 weeks. After that period it can be rolled into a cigar. In general though only the Cubans will roll cigars at this point. Most Non-Cuban manufacturers will age the curred tobacco for another year or more. Some non-cuban manufacturers will roll the cigars and then cure the whole rolled cigar for more time. This is done because a freshly curred then rolled cigar can go through an additional sick period when it begins to self cure. Tasting ammonia and other unpleasant aromas can be seen in this time, but this is an issue only with Cuban Cigars as all Non-Cuban manufacturers age beyound the sick period before they distribute for sale, AFAIK.

In general once a non-cuban is available for sale only the tobacco has been aged but some are aged after rolling, and this is usually indicated in the price of the cigar, higher price in non-cubans can be attributed to more aging time.

[KetelOne]

So I found a cigar that i had cut but apparently never smoked, I vaguely remember cutting it around the end of July. My question is, after you cut a cigar does it begin to lose any flavor or anything?

[bobarian]

So I found a cigar that i had cut but apparently never smoked, I vaguely remember cutting it around the end of July. My question is, after you cut a cigar does it begin to lose any flavor or anything?

No negative effects at all. Before the Embargo many Cuban and American made cigars came pre-cut or punched. Many will cut a cigar, put it back in the humidor if the draw is too tight and revisit it in a week or two. :tu

[KetelOne]

Awesome, I just wanted to make sure :D

[Chingas]

No negative effects at all. Before the Embargo many Cuban and American made cigars came pre-cut or punched. Many will cut a cigar, put it back in the humidor if the draw is too tight and revisit it in a week or two. :tu

Had a Troya last night from a tube that came Pre-Cut!:tu

[PCR]

What does "predraw" mean?

[chachee52]

Been to a couple of B&M shops and when I smoke there they cut with a V cutter. My friend, who doesn't really smoke but pretends that he does, just gave me one.
My question is what benefit is it to cut with a V rather than a straight cut? How do I know which cigars to cut which way?

[NCRadioMan]

What does "predraw" mean?

Drawing on the cigar before lighting. Dry tasting, if you will.

Been to a couple of B&M shops and when I smoke there they cut with a V cutter. My friend, who doesn't really smoke but pretends that he does, just gave me one.
My question is what benefit is it to cut with a V rather than a straight cut? How do I know which cigars to cut which way?

I have found no particular benefit, I think it's mostly preference.

:2

[PCR]

[QUOTE=NCRadioMan;978538]Drawing on the cigar before lighting. Dry tasting, if you will.

Thanks!

[Ray]

I like my Amanda Cigars. I find it hard to get a constant supply. I live in Tasmania, Australia. Can I import my own, or who do i contact to get a good supply.

[kydsid]

I like my Amanda Cigars. I find it hard to get a constant supply. I live in Tasmania, Australia. Can I import my own, or who do i contact to get a good supply.

I have no idea where to get your cigars but you shouldn't have any problem having them shipped to you. The biggest hurdle you will have will be tax and exise pricing on imported tobacco and allotment size for personal vs. commercial use. You will need to check with Australian Customs for answers as to personal use size and possible exemptions and/or tax requirements.

[CRIMPS]

Beginner Question here.

I started a Cigar the other day and smoked for about 30 min or so before something came up and I needed to leave the house with my wife. I returned within the hour. I took the cigar, which was only about half smoked, and cut the ash off. I decided to go ahead and put the remaining cigar in the humidor to be finished for another day.

So, my question is... what are the implications of finishing a cigar on another day?

Thanks :)

[bobarian]

Danger Will Robinson, Danger!

Please dont ever do this again. You may ruin every cigar in your humidor! If its still there take it out immediately! The stale taste will permeate every cigar in there.

Sometimes you can try relighting a cigar within a few hours. But after that all you will get is a bad stale tobacco taste in your mouth. If you decide to relight purge(blow through) the cigar through a flame to reduce the tars and unburnt charcoal.

[icehog3]

Danger Will Robinson, Danger!

Please dont ever do this again. You may ruin every cigar in your humidor! If its still there take it out immediately! The stale taste will permeate every cigar in there.

Sometimes you can try relighting a cigar within a few hours. But after that all you will get is a bad stale tobacco taste in your mouth. If you decide to relight purge(blow through) the cigar through a flame to reduce the tars and unburnt charcoal.

Bob knows stuff....get that cigar outta there!

[CRIMPS]

Danger Will Robinson, Danger!


Haha, I can picture your robotic arms flailing around wildly. Ok, I get the picture. Consider cigar removed. ;)

[CRIMPS]

Oh! One more question.

I have an Oliva Serie G that I am trying to smoke. It seems to be what I assume you would consider to be plugged. The draw is very tight. I am definitely struggling with it.

In the future, I think I will check the draw before lighting. However, even if the cigar was plugged, I am not really sure I would feel comfortable returning the cigar to my B&M. So, is there anything I can do to fix this on my own? If the "Plug" is somewhere in the middle of the cigar, I figure there is nothing I can do. However, I was thinking this particular cigar was plugged right at the cap.

Thanks!

[Chingas]

I'll jump in Drew but i'm sure someone else will too.

I use a draw poker and massage. If you've already lit the smoke, then a draw poker works well. Just shove the poker thru the center of the stick and pull it out.

By massage, i mean, I roll the cigar between my fingers to loosen up and shift the tobacco inside. That helps as well.

If the cigar is not lit, meaning you cut it and checked draw and found it to be plugged, just throw it back in the humi. Time and patience just might be favorable to that smoke the next time you reach in to smoke it!

Hope that helps Brother!

[N2Advnture]

Oh! One more question.

I have an Oliva Serie G that I am trying to smoke. It seems to be what I assume you would consider to be plugged. The draw is very tight. I am definitely struggling with it.

In the future, I think I will check the draw before lighting. However, even if the cigar was plugged, I am not really sure I would feel comfortable returning the cigar to my B&M. So, is there anything I can do to fix this on my own? If the "Plug" is somewhere in the middle of the cigar, I figure there is nothing I can do. However, I was thinking this particular cigar was plugged right at the cap.

Thanks!

I'll jump in Drew but i'm sure someone else will too.

I use a draw poker and massage. If you've already lit the smoke, then a draw poker works well. Just shove the poker thru the center of the stick and pull it out.

By massage, i mean, I roll the cigar between my fingers to loosen up and shift the tobacco inside. That helps as well.

If the cigar is not lit, meaning you cut it and checked draw and found it to be plugged, just throw it back in the humi. Time and patience just might be favorable to that smoke the next time you reach in to smoke it!

Hope that helps Brother!

Good advice :tu That's exactly what I do with great success.

My only other question would be, what RH level are you currently storing your cigars in?

I have found that storing between 60-65% RH greatly improves draw & burn problems that aren't directly attributed to a poor roll.

I hope this helps.

~Mark

[CRIMPS]

My RH is hanging around %65 and my other cigars seem to be smoking fine. In fact, my last Oliva Serie G smoked quite well. So, I think the problem is directly related to the roll of the cigar in this case. Oh well. I figure this can happen from time to time with any cigar.

Thanks for the advise!

[SmokeyJoe]

Bumping this thread... :ss

[E.J.]

What is the theory behind it being no big deal to take numerous cigars in a travel humidor for 4-5 days without humidification and being good as gold, but having to rest a sealed box shipped from a reputable shop?

Wouldn’t it be, in theory, the exact same thing?

[N2Advnture]

What is the theory behind it being no big deal to take numerous cigars in a travel humidor for 4-5 days without humidification and being good as gold, but having to rest a sealed box shipped from a reputable shop?

Wouldn’t it be, in theory, the exact same thing?

They are two different scenarios really.

"Properly" (ie: the way you like them) stored cigars typically retain (or close to retain) their RH for a few days if kept in a sealed travel humidor (I've found it to be around 3-4 days).

The reason for resting a box after receiving them is to give them time to acclimate to your preferred RH (this takes approx. 3-4 weeks on avg).

I hope this helps

~Mark

[Chris.]

What is the theory behind it being no big deal to take numerous cigars in a travel humidor for 4-5 days without humidification and being good as gold, but having to rest a sealed box shipped from a reputable shop?

Wouldn’t it be, in theory, the exact same thing?

Lots of temperature fluctuations during shipping as well.

I keep a water pillow in my travel humi and it's been rock steady at 68% over the last 2 weeks.

[Cornrow_Wallis]

Quick question. I picked up a couple cigars from a B&M today (usually buy online). I went to smoke one about an hour after I got home, a JdN Antano 1970, and the band was loose. I was able to spin it in place as well as slide it up and down the cigar. I didn't think that was right, so I put it back and grabbed an Oliva V that I bought at the same time. The band was just as loose on the Oliva. So at this point I decided to leave all the new cigars alone and grabbed one out of the cigar caddy I brought with me.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that a loose band means the cigars humidity is too high. Is this right?

[Bill86]

The cigars were probably wet. The B&M's keep their cigars at 70%-72% most of the time. At least mine do. I'll leave them in my humidor for 3 weeks or so then smoke them, much better.

[NCRadioMan]

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that a loose band means the cigars humidity is too high. Is this right?

Nope, the humidity is possibly too low. Too much humidity will make the cigar swell, therefore making the band tight. Not enough and the cigar will shrink, making the band loose. Although, when the band starts to do what you describe, that's when I know they are perfect for smoking.

[gijoey959]

Quick question. I picked up a couple cigars from a B&M today (usually buy online). I went to smoke one about an hour after I got home, a JdN Antano 1970, and the band was loose. I was able to spin it in place as well as slide it up and down the cigar. I didn't think that was right, so I put it back and grabbed an Oliva V that I bought at the same time. The band was just as loose on the Oliva. So at this point I decided to leave all the new cigars alone and grabbed one out of the cigar caddy I brought with me.

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that a loose band means the cigars humidity is too high. Is this right?

I like to throw any thing I smoke into a dry box for an hour or so, it makes the burn and smoke amount better, but I keep my humidor at 60-65%, my B&M keep theirs at 70%

this is personal preference, and my climate is a bit more humid than some, but if I get one fresh from the B&M, unless I smoke it there, its going in a dry box unless I've let it rest for 2 weeks

I would also like to say that the bands moving is perfectly normal, I take my band off before I go smoke it so I don't loose it

[Cornrow_Wallis]

Gotcha. Thanks for the help.

[Brutus2600]

I smoked two JdN's this weekend, both of their bands were pretty loose. I keep my humidor at 65% and had kept them in there for a few weeks. Might just be the way they band their cigars? I've only had two so I don't have much experience with those cigars.

[chippewastud79]

Because it is a handmade product and the bands are put on as such there are always bands that will be some that are loose and some that are tight. Also variances from the time they are banded and smoked can result in shrinking or swelling cigars. :2

[T.G]

I like to throw any thing I smoke into a dry box for an hour or so, it makes the burn and smoke amount better, but I keep my humidor at 60-65%, my B&M keep theirs at 70%

this is personal preference, and my climate is a bit more humid than some, but if I get one fresh from the B&M, unless I smoke it there, its going in a dry box unless I've let it rest for 2 weeks



Unless your drybox is a running convection oven, an hour in a dry box is highly unlikely to do anything noticeable, especially in a humid climate. Cigars simply don't drop in moisture content that quickly under anything other than extreme circumstances.

[Powers]

Last night after class i decided to smoke a cruzado while doing some readings, and these are some of the 5 total beetle holes i found in the cigar! :jd

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/thegeneral320/IMAG0073.jpg

The cruzado was in a 25 count humidor of single NC sticks within my coolerador and after inspecting the rest of my stash i found no other issues. I did find a beetle crawling about the 25 count humi that contained the contaminated cigar, and he has met his maker

I have begun the freezing process with the remaining 20 or so sticks that were in the same humi as the cruzado and will keep an eye on the coolerador as a whole. However, I also have a couple of questions:

Do cellophane wrappers help protect cigars from beetles and/or impede beetle hatching?

After freezing, is it ok to smoke the cigar that had beetle holes in it or will it taste like beetle sh*t?

Thanks guys :tu

[14holestogie]

Cellophane wrappers will not impede beetles.
...and smoke 'em.

[Powers]

Thanks Tim!

[jrjones60]

Okay....here's a REAL newbie question. How long will a cigar stay fresh in just the cellophane wrapper?(not in a humidor) From what I've read so far it will be several weeks from the time I receive my humidor until I can put the cigars in it. Also, do I take the cigars out of the cellophane when I put them in the humidor? Thanks in advance from an "Old dog that wants to learn new tricks".

[Bill86]

Cellophane is a preference it makes no difference on or off. If it came with cello I usually leave it on to protect the wrapper...if not I really don't care about it.

Yeah you're good to leave your sticks out until you get your humidor just let them rest for a few weeks in the humidor. I just zipbloc bagged all mine and used a straw to suck out the air in the bag. Vacuum seal them. Then put them anywhere COOL (60-65 degrees).

[Chris.]

yea, at the very minimum, put them in a zip lock baggie. A tupperware container with a good seal is ideal until your humidor comes in. Do you have any humidification beads at all? I wouldnt store them more than a couple weeks without water pillows or shilala's beads or some other type of cigar humidification.

J.R. - Head on over to the New Inmate Processing Area and introduce yourself to everyone! Welcome to the Asylum!
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7

[688sonarmen]

What causes a wrapper to split? I was smoking a face and the wrapper split all the way to the point where I could not smoke it any more, big bummer!

[N2Advnture]

What causes a wrapper to split? I was smoking a face and the wrapper split all the way to the point where I could not smoke it any more, big bummer!

Over humidification or extremely low humidification can cause this.

Also, rapid increase in RH rather than a gradual increase. This happens a lot during the humid summer months when you pull a smoke out of the humidor and take it outside into a higher ambient humidity.

I hope this helps.

~Mark

[Chris.]

:tu

[NCRadioMan]

What causes a wrapper to split? I was smoking a face and the wrapper split all the way to the point where I could not smoke it any more, big bummer!

Been hearing this alot from The Face.

[Chris.]

Ill be letting my fiver rest a while then. Thanks!

[688sonarmen]

Been hearing this alot from The Face.

I did just get a new humidor but I really thought I had it seasoned right. It has been between 62-65% for 2 weeks now. When I put my cigars in it was at 70% but quickly went down to 65% after a few hours. I noticed last week some of my smokes were a little moist and were going out, so I dry boxed the face for about 2 days with a digital hygro that read 65% in the box. I'm smoking an NHC tat and it is smoking great right out of the humi so I am going to chalk it up to having to many changes in RH and try another one Saturday night. I was pretty pissed but this NHC is making it all better!

[RPCigar]

I tried toasting and with a even burn but another important thing is having a great torch to keep the foot far away enough not to ruin the lighter like I did.

I have a Xikar but it never threw out a good flame. I'm going to see if they will give me a new one.

[NCRadioMan]

I have a Xikar but it never threw out a good flame. I'm going to see if they will give me a new one.

Which Xikar do yo have. I often have to adjust the governor from the factory as many are set way too low. A very easy fix.

[RPCigar]

Heck,

I don't know. It's a double flame where the flipper flips up when you push down on the front side. I don't have a model number.

But I'm glad you asked and got the box out with the instructions. Maybe it will tell me how to clean it. I have the flame adjusted all the way up.

[NCRadioMan]

Heck,

I don't know. It's a double flame where the flipper flips up when you push down on the front side. I don't have a model number.

But I'm glad you asked and got the box out with the instructions. Maybe it will tell me how to clean it. I have the flame adjusted all the way up.

Sounds like the Element. The little silver cover you turn the gas with acts as the governor. Simply pop it off it's post and reposition it to get whatever level of flame you want.

:)

[Powers]

I went out to smoke a cigar today, a Cuabo lancero, and half way through I got an odd, tangy sour taste. Then I noticed that a light brown fluid was seeping through the end of the cigar that literally stained my fingers.

Any idea what this was and how it happened??

[NCRadioMan]

I went out to smoke a cigar today, a Cuabo lancero, and half way through I got an odd, tangy sour taste. Then I noticed that a light brown fluid was seeping through the end of the cigar that literally stained my fingers.

Any idea what this was and how it happened??

Tar...the bubbling crude. It can be very nasty and very thick. It happens, although I am not sure why. For some reason I associate it with reduced air flow within a part of the cigar. :sh

I had a Diamond Crown maduro torpedo years ago that tar just poured out of. :pu

[Powers]

Tar...the bubbling crude. It can be very nasty and very thick. It happens, although I am not sure why. For some reason I associate it with reduced air flow within a part of the cigar. :sh

I had a Diamond Crown maduro torpedo years ago that tar just poured out of. :pu

That makes sense. God it was gross. Normally Cubao's are some tasty

[Chris.]

Ive had a couple different cigars do it. It seems to be pretty random.

[N2Advnture]

Tar...the bubbling crude. It can be very nasty and very thick. It happens, although I am not sure why. For some reason I associate it with reduced air flow within a part of the cigar. :sh

I had a Diamond Crown maduro torpedo years ago that tar just poured out of. :pu

Greg is right, definitely tar.

Tray slowing your smoking speed and purging every once in a while to see if that helps.

~Mark

[Powers]

Thanks for the info guys!

[v00d3W]

I am a new member of this forum, and also new to collecting cigars. I have just set up my humidor, and started buying cigars - where can I post my recent cigar purchases, and my progress?

[Powers]

Specifically to post recent Non-Cuban purchases, head on over to "Show your recent NC purchases" thread, within this sub-forum

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3440

Also, browse the various "stickies", which are atop each sub-forum

But most importantly, go the the "New Inmate Processing Area" and introduce yourself!

:tu

[v00d3W]

Thank you for your quick reply! I did introduce myself in the "New Inmate Processing Area". Thanks again!

I tried to access the "show your latest NC purchase" but it keeps giving me a Fatal Error, is that normal?

[Whee]

Thank you for your quick reply! I did introduce myself in the "New Inmate Processing Area". Thanks again!

I tried to access the "show your latest NC purchase" but it keeps giving me a Fatal Error, is that normal?

Patience. Some doors to the Asylum open in time. :D

[Chingas]

Patience. Some doors to the Asylum open in time. :D

:tu

Just to add to that. It goes quicker than you think interact with inmates. Join up in the NST (Newbie sampler trade) and share with posts. You'll be opened to those areas before you know it!

[v00d3W]

I have recently gotten my humidor seasoned, and calibrated my digital hygrometer, and I thought I had my humidity under control. Once I got the humidor itself in a place where the temprature stays around 72, but the humidity wants to stay at 74-75%

What I have is a Napoleon II humidor, 3 drawers. It has a rectangle brick humidifier 3x7" I tried to put the brick in all the drawers to get the humidity to adjust, and settled on leaving it in the bottom drawer.

The level in the top 2 drawers was within 1% of each other, but the bottom stays 4% higher.

Is it possible that the humidifier brick is too much for the humidor, and what do you think about using beads?

I currently have around 30 cigars in there, and am worried about the Beatles. Thanks.

[Chingas]

Take some pics Brother so we can see what you mean. If it's a small desktop I'd reccomend tossing the brick and either getting beads or boveda packs. If you have room you could actually put a small pack in each drawer.

[hscmit]

sounds like you could take the brick out and add a few ounces of dry beads and it would be about where you want it

[docdoty]

Take some pics Brother so we can see what you mean. If it's a small desktop I'd reccomend tossing the brick and either getting beads or boveda packs. If you have room you could actually put a small pack in each drawer.

x2

[OLS]

and am worried about the Beatles. Thanks.Don't worry dude, two of them are already dead. I ain't gonna say they won't grab Phil Collins
and Eric Clapton and try to tour, but you can be fairly confident that's not gonna happen.

I'd look at beads. Beetles don't hatch due to humidity, though.

[v00d3W]

Take some pics Brother so we can see what you mean. If it's a small desktop I'd reccomend tossing the brick and either getting beads or boveda packs. If you have room you could actually put a small pack in each drawer.


its a 150 capacity desktop....
http://i1040.photobucket.com/albums/b408/v00d3w/PIC-0047.jpg?t=1288902491

here is a pic of the brick:
http://i1040.photobucket.com/albums/b408/v00d3w/PIC-0048.jpg?t=1288902515

[icehog3]

Don't worry dude, two of them are already dead. I ain't gonna say they won't grab Phil Collins
and Ron Wood and try to tour, but you can be fairly confident that's not gonna happen.



'Specially since Ronnie is heading out with the Stones in '11. ;)

[14holestogie]

I've got that same humi and a couple ounces of beads in each drawer has me worry free. Of course, another hundred cigars in there would help too. :)

[RatherUneek]

Does everyone taste the flavors? In other words, while reading reviews i hear terms such as leather, cedar, earthy, chocolate. I am new to cigar smoking (only been smoking about a week) and have never picked up on these. I know it takes time for your pallate to develop but are there any veteran smokers that thnk cigars just taste good? Or over time will everyone be able to differentiate separate flavors? I just feel like I will never be able to determine some of these tastes. I hope I will and enjoy the cigar smoking exerience regardless. Just really wanting to know if this is something everyone will develop. Thanks in advance.

[icehog3]

Some people are good at picking out flavors, some not....the most important part is that you are enjoying the cigar.

[CigarNut]

Some people are good at picking out flavors, some not....the most important part is that you are enjoying the cigar.Tom is right!

Enjoyment is different for everyone. For some people it's picking out different flavors, for some it's sitting with friends, and for some it is just part of their relaxation process.

Everyone is different and as long as you are enjoying your cigar experience don't fret.

[joeobx]

Like what Tom and Michael said, I cant tell you all the flavors, grass, hay, cedar, oak pressure treated or what ever, but I can tell you if I like a cigar or not.
:banger

[Commander Quan]

Check out this video on retrohaling, which is pushing the smoke up and out through your nose. It takes some practice but you can pick up a lot more of the flavors this way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMcDOSypco8

[Chainsaw13]

I've been smoking cigars for about 15 years. I can pick out a few flavors, but then I don't go looking for them. As Icehog says, as long as you're enjoying the cigrar, that's all the matters.

[Chris.]

I can pick out flavors when I focus, but usually I'm just trying to relax or enjoy some time with friends when I smoke. I really only focus on flavors for reviews or BTT's etc.

[RatherUneek]

Thanks for the responses guys! I have definitely been enjoying the smoke. I had a chateau real tonight which I think was my best smoke yet. Again no specific flavors came to me but is was smooth as can be.

[jesseboston81]

I've never been to a cigar lounge before, but with the weather the way it's been here recently I'm planning on going in the next few days. Should I bring my own "equipment" (e.g., cutter, lighter, etc.), or is that something that the lounge provides? Thanks!

[htown]

They will have everything you need.

[CigarNut]

Some places provide cutters and lighters and even cedar spills, but I never count on it -- you never know for sure. So, yes -- bring your own equipment. I also several sticks -- it's good to have an extra stick or two in case you decide to share.

[Cohiba007]

Is there a Cuban cigar section,reviews etc on this site I am missing somewhere?

[pnoon]

Is there a Cuban cigar section,reviews etc on this site I am missing somewhere?
There are a number of sub forums that you will gain access to with time. Be patient. Participate in the community and doors will open.
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[Chris.]

Some places provide cutters and lighters and even cedar spills, but I never count on it -- you never know for sure. So, yes -- bring your own equipment. I also several sticks -- it's good to have an extra stick or two in case you decide to share.

I always bring my own stuff if I'm not smoking one of their Cigars. I always buy a couple of smokes while I'm there though out of appreciation, and to be a good patron. They uaully have everything you need to smoke though. Cutters, lighters, ash trays etc.

EDIT: sorry, I meant to quote the original question. Oops.

[MrT]

What differences would a person notice when smoking a cigar that was kept at 45% vs 65% ?

I have a fridge that was used in the garage (and still works) but was thinking of using it with a Humi-Care XG1000 Pro Humidifier to store cigars.
- Do I need to scrub, and clean it very well prior to storage?
- Where can I buy kiln dried spanish cedar? I know I can use boxes, or pieces from boxes but would prefer to line the inside, and make it have drawers, etc.

Thanks
-T :banger

[bobarian]

What differences would a person notice when smoking a cigar that was kept at 45% vs 65% ?

I have a fridge that was used in the garage (and still works) but was thinking of using it with a Humi-Care XG1000 Pro Humidifier to store cigars.
- Do I need to scrub, and clean it very well prior to storage?
- Where can I buy kiln dried spanish cedar? I know I can use boxes, or pieces from boxes but would prefer to line the inside, and make it have drawers, etc.

Thanks
-T :banger

45% is on the extreme low end and you risk dried out brittle wrappers. Also at this low an Rh you will lose many of the volatile oils in the cigar. Most here store between 60-70%, although some Asian collectors are said to have long term(15+ yrs) storage as low as 50%.

A working fridge is not the ideal solution for cigar storage. Usually you cant get the temp's above 60degrees without an external controller.

A cheaper alternative is a cooler/ice chest, a search on coolerdor will give you some ideas on how others have set these up. Clean the inside with baking soda on a new sponge and let it air dry for a day or so.

Spanish cedar is available from wood specialty stores like Rockler or Woodcraft.

[v00d3W]

What differences would a person notice when smoking a cigar that was kept at 45% vs 65% ?

A cigar at 45% would burn faster, and hotter, one kept at 65% (or as I like to keep them 70%) burns slower, and cooler allowing you to experience more flavor.

[MrT]

45% is on the extreme low end and you risk dried out brittle wrappers. Also at this low an Rh you will lose many of the volatile oils in the cigar. Most here store between 60-70%, although some Asian collectors are said to have long term(15+ yrs) storage as low as 50%.

A working fridge is not the ideal solution for cigar storage. Usually you cant get the temp's above 60degrees without an external controller.

A cheaper alternative is a cooler/ice chest, a search on coolerdor will give you some ideas on how others have set these up. Clean the inside with baking soda on a new sponge and let it air dry for a day or so.

Spanish cedar is available from wood specialty stores like Rockler or Woodcraft.

I was not planning on keeping the fridge running, but using it as storage for the cigars. Either that, or it's getting chucked.

I wonder if I could use the freezer section only for cigars (disable it), and still use the bottom as a fridge.. now there is an idea!!

[MrT]

What is a "Boutique Cigar" and why are they called that?

[jonumberone]

I was not planning on keeping the fridge running, but using it as storage for the cigars. Either that, or it's getting chucked.

I wonder if I could use the freezer section only for cigars (disable it), and still use the bottom as a fridge.. now there is an idea!!

If you're interested in doing this look here for ideas

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=34675

[Chris.]

What is a "Boutique Cigar" and why are they called that?

A boutique cigar is one that (correct me if I'm wrong)fewer than 100,000 sticks per year are made. Either 100,00 or 1,000,000(?). Tatuaje or Illusione are examples of boutique brands.

[T.G]

What is a "Boutique Cigar" and why are they called that?

A boutique cigar is one that (correct me if I'm wrong)fewer than 100,000 sticks per year are made. Either 100,00 or 1,000,000(?). Tatuaje or Illusione are examples of boutique brands.

Like many things in the cigar world, "boutique cigar" and "boutique cigar maker" are somewhat ambiguous.

While I am not saying that the hard number is incorrect, I personally have never heard any official number attached to what defines a boutique cigar or boutique maker.

The most common traits often found among those manufacturers and makers considered boutique is being very unique and small, but even this sometimes comes into question.

[guitar4001]

Like many things in the cigar world, "boutique cigar" and "boutique cigar maker" are somewhat ambiguous.

While I am not saying that the hard number is incorrect, I personally have never heard any official number attached to what defines a boutique cigar or boutique maker.

The most common traits often found among those manufacturers and makers considered boutique is being very unique and small, but even this sometimes comes into question.

Yes. Boutique is simply a cigar made in small numbers. It adds a bit of a "hard to get" quality to the cigar. Small batches of cigars made by small companies are usually labeled boutique, while small batches of cigars made by large companies are often called "limited."

[Chris.]

One day I was perusing the humi of a local b&m and the owner said "I see you like the boutique cigars". I said yea and asked him what makes them boutique and he told me about the production limit...

May or may not be completely accurate but it definitely has something to do with being a limited quantity.

[bobarian]

There are no industry standards for cigar production. The term "boutique" simply implies smaller production=higher quality. But much like NC cigar sizes your mileage may vary. Its just a matter of marketing to a specific consumer. :2

[Buddha92]

what is your opinion on the anarchy cigars? i have never had one/never heard of them.

[bobarian]

what is your opinion on the anarchy cigars? i have never had one/never heard of them.

http://www.smokeinn.com/eshop/tatuaje-anarchy.html

[Bill86]

Wow those anarchy Tats are only $150 a box...not bad really.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=39185
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=39276

[guitar4001]

what is your opinion on the anarchy cigars? i have never had one/never heard of them.

yeah, not super expensive and they have a cool band! that is important.

[Zeuceone]

The nicer the band the better the smoke? lol.

[bobarian]

In some cases...

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3020/partagas155b.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/partagas155b.jpg/)

[icehog3]

In some cases...

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3020/partagas155b.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/partagas155b.jpg/)

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/bingo-1.jpg

[Bill86]

Is that a cartoon picture of Pnoon?

[pnoon]

Is that a cartoon picture of Pnoon?
http://www.shroomery.org/ythan/banstick.jpg

[icehog3]

Is that a cartoon picture of Pnoon?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/bingo-1.jpg

[pnoon]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/bingo-1.jpg

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/0/8/douchebag.jpg

[icehog3]

http://www.zgeek.com/forum/gallery/files/1/0/8/douchebag.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/douchebag2-1.jpg

[pnoon]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/douchebag2-1.jpg

http://memyselfandhi.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/douche.jpg

[Bill86]

My work here is done.

[Chingas]

When Tom and Peter go back a forth you just gotta be happy Jiffy Pop stacks easily to carry more than a few packs on hand!

[longknocker]

When Tom and Peter go back a forth you just gotta be happy Jiffy Pop stacks easily to carry more than a few packs on hand!

:r I Wanted To See A Few More Pages Of It!:D

[joeobx]

:r:r Dam near made me inhale

[davidletteney]

Hey,

I'm fairly new to cigars and my brother, who knows a lot, got me a humidor. How does one season a humidor?

And on a completely separate note, being relatively new to cigars, I have found that one of my favorites so far is the Brickhouse Churchill. I was wondering if the yall have any suggestions for cigars to try that are similar to the Brickhouse, or not, whatever is good.

Thanks
David