Joe Cigar Selling Seconds?

[Bax]

Originally Posted by newlifetaxidermy

Back to the topic at hand. I don't want to imply that CI/cbid is selling crap or that the cigars are poorly made, not smokeable,etc. I just do not believe their cigars in all cases are the same as what other B&Ms or smaller online retailers receive. Like Tripp said, on multiple cigar lines, I have bought and enjoyed sticks from the local B&M (just a few weeks ago, it was the AB SCR). Then, I purchase the same thing on cbid and other than size and band, the two sticks are nothing alike. So, my feeling is that some manufacturers are making cigars especially for CI that are of lower quality (mostly underfilled) or use a lower grade tobacco so that they can give them a smoking deal....which they pass along to their shoppers. The other possibility is that CI buys all the seconds/rejects and somehow convinces the manufacturers to label them as firsts. Not sure of what is going on, but, at least in my mind, not all of what CI/cbid sells is first quality. Like I said, I would not call any of these seconds crap, because I do smoke this stuff on a regular basis. I just would not call them premium cigars.

So are you saying there might be a slight possibility that there are 2 types of cigars? 1 for B&M's and 1 for online retailers?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I think the answer is simple. It's the manufacturer that is sneaking in lesser quallity stock into the larger internet retailers orders. Every producer has stock that is just barely under standard. Throw them away or sneak them in a big order? CI will not open every box for sale like a B&M would. By the time the poorer sticks are discovered they're in a third persons hands and much less likely to get returned. It's all about profit margins.

So in short, blame the manufacturer.

[neoflex]

As far as the Rocky thing, For a while now I have been saying if Rocky comes out with something you like , snatch up as many boxes as you can as it is likely that the next time you grab another box it may or may not taste the same. This has just been my experience so take it for what its worth. As far as the online retailer thing. I have only experienced inconsistencies with the Joe Cigar deals.

Originally Posted by Bax

So are you saying there might be a slight possibility that there are 2 types of cigars? 1 for B&M's and 1 for online retailers?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I think the answer is simple. It's the manufacturer that is sneaking in lesser quallity stock into the larger internet retailers orders. Every producer has stock that is just barely under standard. Throw them away or sneak them in a big order? CI will not open every box for sale like a B&M would. By the time the poorer sticks are discovered they're in a third persons hands and much less likely to get returned. It's all about profit margins.

So in short, blame the manufacturer.

I'm not saying there are sticks for B&Ms and different sticks for online retailers. What I'm saying is that "some" of the big online retailers are knowingly buying the lesser quality stock, so that they can sell it cheap on their daily/weekly special or auctions. If it were happening on occasion, I would believe that it is just the mfg being sneaky, but it is happening across multiple mfgs. I will go it a step further and say that if you purchase a box at full price (ie not the daily/weekly special or auction) from these retailers, you get a different quality. Have you noticed that there are no seconds for sale from a lot of mfgs? There has to be a certain amount of production that is off color, underfilled, improperly blended, etc. What happens to those?

[T.G]

Originally Posted by newlifetaxidermy

I'm not saying there are sticks for B&Ms and different sticks for online retailers. What I'm saying is that "some" of the big online retailers are knowingly buying the lesser quality stock, so that they can sell it cheap on their daily/weekly special or auctions. If it were happening on occasion, I would believe that it is just the mfg being sneaky, but it is happening across multiple mfgs. I will go it a step further and say that if you purchase a box at full price (ie not the daily/weekly special or auction) from these retailers, you get a different quality. Have you noticed that there are no seconds for sale from a lot of mfgs? There has to be a certain amount of production that is off color, underfilled, improperly blended, etc. What happens to those?

They sell them to online vendors at a deep discount and mark the boxes with a sticker that says "Hold for James in North Carolina or Tripp in Oregon"

Originally Posted by T.G

They sell them to online vendors at a deep discount and mark the boxes with a sticker that says "Hold for James in North Carolina or Tripp in Oregon"

You might be on to something...