Joe Cigar Selling Seconds?

Not sure about CI but Cbid sells damaged cigars. I bought a lot of cigars on Cbid and some of the boxes would be opened and resealed with a sticker that said "opened for inspection". Everyone that was "opened for inspection" was filled with damaged cigars. It was like they took all the returns for cracked wrapper or stems breaking through the wrapper and put them into one box and sent it out hoping someone would not want to take the time to return it. I stopped doing business with Cbid, CI and all affiliated companies.

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Originally Posted by Trouble

Not sure about CI but Cbid sells damaged cigars. I bought a lot of cigars on Cbid and some of the boxes would be opened and resealed with a sticker that said "opened for inspection". Everyone that was "opened for inspection" was filled with damaged cigars. It was like they took all the returns for cracked wrapper or stems breaking through the wrapper and put them into one box and sent it out hoping someone would not want to take the time to return it. I stopped doing business with Cbid, CI and all affiliated companies.

I hope this isn't right, cause I have a box in the mail coming from Cbid... I recently ordered this: http://www.cigarsinternational.com/p...KASST21&cat=19 from CI and everything came in wonderful shape, but I realize the daily deals and auctions might be different.

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Hate to say this again if someone already has, but it is not uncommon in the industry today to
spray tobacco with tobacco juice and squeezins to get that consistent look of Maduro for that
which a precedent may have already been set. Maduro launch cigars may be one color, and the
next harvest's materials might not allow for the same color match, and the tobacco could be
sprayed. And it WILL come off on your fingers and lips. Per-DOH-mo cigars first real luxury line
was like this. The had a cigar called X that was a square pressed torpedo and at FIRST they
were great cigars. Then as time went by they just started SUCKING A$$. They were all treated
wrappers on the maduros. This is not the same as dying wrappers, but it IS really in the end. But
there is a great chance that the vendor has nothing to do with it.

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"And that covers everything from Padrons to Pirates" Well, to be honest, that's not a very big range, LOL.

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Originally Posted by OLS

Hate to say this again if someone already has, but it is not uncommon in the industry today to
spray tobacco with tobacco juice and squeezins to get that consistent look of Maduro for that
which a precedent may have already been set. Maduro launch cigars may be one color, and the
next harvest's materials might not allow for the same color match, and the tobacco could be
sprayed. And it WILL come off on your fingers and lips. Per-DOH-mo cigars first real luxury line
was like this. The had a cigar called X that was a square pressed torpedo and at FIRST they
were great cigars. Then as time went by they just started SUCKING A$$. They were all treated
wrappers on the maduros. This is not the same as dying wrappers, but it IS really in the end. But
there is a great chance that the vendor has nothing to do with it.

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"And that covers everything from Padrons to Pirates" Well, to be honest, that's not a very big range, LOL.

Thanks Brad. I've gotten so sick of arguing what you just said with people that I don't even bother to mention it anymore.

I think the last time I mentioned it (on another forum) it went 140 someodd posts with people arguing back and forth over it. Everything from cheating to unnatural to trying to explain the differnces and why and if only people realized how many manufacturers did this, they'd probably change their tune or stop smoking maduros alltogether.

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Originally Posted by T.G

Thanks Brad. I've gotten so sick of arguing what you just said with people that I don't even bother to mention it anymore.

I think the last time I mentioned it (on another forum) it went 140 someodd posts with people arguing back and forth over it. Everything from cheating to unnatural to trying to explain the differnces and why and if only people realized how many manufacturers did this, they'd probably change their tune or stop smoking maduros alltogether.

, maybe people will stop smoking maduros and the price will come down for those of us that dont mind. Guess thats asking to much.

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Thank you for choosing Cigars International! I am very sorry to hear that you were not happy with your last shipment. I can gladly set up a exchange or return for you. Please let me advise you that we do not dye cigars sometimes the tobacco can react to a wrapper. I can assure you as well these are not seconds.

From CI customer service. The "we" statement is a bit strange. Seems to either infer that they have something to do with the production of the cigars or are putting the blame on the manufacturer. Or I'm just reading into it to much.

I think that they might purchase runs of cigars the manufacturer wants to get rid of. I have some of the AB Tempus Quadrums from CI that AB doesn't show as a size they produce in the Tempus line, and doesn't taste/burn like the ones I have had from a B&M.

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Originally Posted by naamanf

From CI customer service. The "we" statement is a bit strange. Seems to either infer that they have something to do with the production of the cigars or are putting the blame on the manufacturer. Or I'm just reading into it to much.

I think that they might purchase runs of cigars the manufacturer wants to get rid of. I have some of the AB Tempus Quadrums from CI that AB doesn't show as a size they produce in the Tempus line, and doesn't taste/burn like the ones I have had from a B&M.

And then they call it a CI Exclusive,

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Originally Posted by naamanf

From CI customer service. The "we" statement is a bit strange. Seems to either infer that they have something to do with the production of the cigars or are putting the blame on the manufacturer. Or I'm just reading into it to much.

It was a poorly written response and you are reading too much into it.

CI is just a vendor. Somehow, I don't picture Steve and Keith in the back of the warehouse with paint brushes and cans of minwax giggling "heh. let's see if he likes american walnut poly."

Originally Posted by OLS

"And that covers everything from Padrons to Pirates" Well, to be honest, that's not a very big range, LOL.

heh Could have put that better.

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Originally Posted by JohnCA

heh Could have put that better.

Yes, but when you thought "I won't DIGNIFY Acids with a mention", you did the right thing. And who knows
Zino cigars anymore? I think they still sell em.

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And look at Lew R0thman. He often states right out in the open, "I bought the entire stock of
cigars that were being stored in the aging rooms at the factory. I have no idea what these cigars
were going to be sold as, but I am passing the savings on to you. They could be 18 dollar cigars
or they could be crap."
I would trace any problems with the cigars straight to the manufacturer. Only they know what
is actually happening. COULD be some wink-nod business going on, but who's fault is it at the
heart of it? That's right, the manufacturer. Also one should not rule out the humidity factor. Wet cigars
taste nothing like properly humidified and ready to smoke cigars. Not saying this has anything to do
with long term taste probs, but there you go.

Originally Posted by Trouble

Not sure about CI but Cbid sells damaged cigars. I bought a lot of cigars on Cbid and some of the boxes would be opened and resealed with a sticker that said "opened for inspection". Everyone that was "opened for inspection" was filled with damaged cigars. It was like they took all the returns for cracked wrapper or stems breaking through the wrapper and put them into one box and sent it out hoping someone would not want to take the time to return it. I stopped doing business with Cbid, CI and all affiliated companies.

That sucks man