Ammodor question.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by shilala

Jared mentioned something he read, too. It doesn't necessarily make it so. I've personally witnessed the most amazing collection of cc's, one I'm sure will never be equalled in my lifetime, all stored in a huge number of coolers.
I wouldn't worry a bit, my friend.
Make sure it can't get wet enough to rust, clean it up really, really good so there are no oils, and rock on. You may want to throw some sheets of cedar in there or broken up boxes to help add some cedar essence?
I'd use them all day long if I had a pile. I think they'd be an exceptional way to long-store cigars so long as they won't rust.
Got any pics?
I'd like to see how they seal.

Yep, it has 3 trays in it that forrest made.

[Fia]

Originally Posted by smitty81

Yep, it has 3 trays in it that forrest made.

Well the three trays made with SP should do you fine. I dont see why you couldnt use it for long term storage. I would burp it from time to time to allow for a little fresh air exchange if you arent going into it on a regular basis to grab cigars.

[shilala]

Originally Posted by Fia

Well the three trays made with SP should do you fine. I dont see why you couldnt use it for long term storage. I would burp it from time to time to allow for a little fresh air exchange if you arent going into it on a regular basis to grab cigars.

That's a really good point. Beads in the bottom to control the humidity down there and a fresh-air burp now and again, and I think it's as cool and useful as they come. The trays are more than enough Spanish Cedar to keep things good forever.
I love it. I think it's wicked cool, especially with the addition of Forrest's trays. I'd probably email Michael and get a Hygroset II for inside the lid to keep an eye on the humidity, but that's just cause I put hygrometers in everything as a rule. I seldom look at them and I usually ignore them when I do, but I like them there when I really want to know what's going on.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by shilala

That's a really good point. Beads in the bottom to control the humidity down there and a fresh-air burp now and again, and I think it's as cool and useful as they come. The trays are more than enough Spanish Cedar to keep things good forever.
I love it. I think it's wicked cool, especially with the addition of Forrest's trays. I'd probably email Michael and get a Hygroset II for inside the lid to keep an eye on the humidity, but that's just cause I put hygrometers in everything as a rule. I seldom look at them and I usually ignore them when I do, but I like them there when I really want to know what's going on.

Which Michael??

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by smitty81

Yep, it has 3 trays in it that forrest made.

Wow those trays are great!
The only concern I would have is that it may not work that well for keeping humidity and temp. Being that the walls are thin metal I would guess (Key word is guess) that the outside conditions would greatly effect the inside invironment. As long as it is stored in a steady climate I would think it would be okay?
It looks great though, those trays look top notch!

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

Wow those trays are great!
The only concern I would have is that it may not work that well for keeping humidity and temp. Being that the walls are thin metal I would guess (Key word is guess) that the outside conditions would greatly effect the inside environment. As long as it is stored in a steady climate I would think it would be okay?
It looks great though, those trays look top notch!

No, these are old US Military ammo cans. They are built to withstand harsh weather and keep everything sealed up inside.

This thing has a rubber lip under the lid and when you clamp it down, you can submerge it in water.

This should hold humidity like a tupperware container . Where I keep this box, it's always cool-cold. Think 75 degrees being the highest temp.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by smitty81

No, these are old US Military ammo cans. They are built to withstand harsh weather and keep everything sealed up inside.

This thing has a rubber lip under the lid and when you clamp it down, you can submerge it in water.

This should hold humidity like a tupperware container . Where I keep this box, it's always cool-cold. Think 75 degrees being the highest temp.

Tupperware containers do not hold great humidity, they are not insulated. I am not saying they will not be water proof. But the thin metal is not insulated like a humidor or cooler would be. The non-insulated sides would make the atmosphere inside more influenced my the atmosphere oputside. IMHO.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

Tupperware containers do not hold great humidity, they are not insulated. I am not saying they will not be water proof. But the thin metal is not insulated like a humidor or cooler would be. The non-insulated sides would make the atmosphere inside more influenced my the atmosphere outside. IMHO.

Now I'm lost.

From the time I have joined, everyone has told me that they do because of the airtight seal. The humidity has no where to go.

If your talking about humidity swings from temperature swings then I understand.

Don't have to worry about that though. The place I keep them is like a cellar for temperature. There is little fluctuation.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by smitty81

Now I'm lost.

From the time I have joined, everyone has told me that they do because of the airtight seal. The humidity has no where to go.

If your talking about humidity swings from temperature swings then I understand.

Don't have to worry about that though. The place I keep them is like a cellar for temperature. There is little fluctuation.

[jluck]

Originally Posted by shilala

Michael is absolutely correct, I got you and Isaiah mixed up. Sorry, my brother!!!
Thanks for covering for me, Michael!!!

No worries shilala. I probably spew enough word vomit on this forum without taking others credit.

Originally Posted by smitty81

No, these are old US Military ammo cans. They are built to withstand harsh weather and keep everything sealed up inside.

This thing has a rubber lip under the lid and when you clamp it down, you can submerge it in water.

This should hold humidity like a tupperware container . Where I keep this box, it's always cool-cold. Think 75 degrees being the highest temp.

You should be fine Josh. Season them trays and fill it up!

Originally Posted by smitty81

Which Michael??

(Cigarnut) He's a good dude with the best beads available.

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by jluck

(Cigarnut) He's a good dude with the best beads available.

I thought so but I wanted to make sure before I sent him a PM that made no sense.

[CigarNut]

Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

Tupperware containers do not hold great humidity, they are not insulated. I am not saying they will not be water proof. But the thin metal is not insulated like a humidor or cooler would be. The non-insulated sides would make the atmosphere inside more influenced my the atmosphere oputside. IMHO.

This is not true. Any sealed container -- like Tupperware -- will do a good job holding humidity.

Most of us keep our humidors inside our homes where they are not subject to extremes of temperature and humidity which eliminates the need for heavy insulation.

[Blak Smyth]

Originally Posted by CigarNut

This is not true. Any sealed container -- like Tupperware -- will do a good job holding humidity.

Most of us keep our humidors inside our homes where they are not subject to extremes of temperature and humidity which eliminates the need for heavy insulation.

Gotcha, I guess my thought process was telling me that since there is no insulation that the inside environment would be affected by the conditions outside much more rapidly than if it were insulated. But I see you are saying if it's indoors and the conditions are not changing it wouldn't matter. So let me ask a newb question. If I had a tupperware or ammo box with a RH of 70% and I sealed it with no source of humidification it would remain at 70% forever as long as it sealed water tight? Not being a smart ass, just wanting to know how it works exactly, and I think it is still on topic.

I had read that when the temperature of air is cooled or reduced the RH increases, and it seems since temperature change would affect a space that is not insulated I would assume (What an evil word assume is) that the RH would be affected as well?

[smitty81]

Originally Posted by Blak Smyth

Gotcha, I guess my thought process was telling me that since there is no insulation that the inside environment would be affected by the conditions outside much more rapidly than if it were insulated. But I see you are saying if it's indoors and the conditions are not changing it wouldn't matter. So let me ask a newb question. If I had a tupperware container with a RH of 70% and I sealed it with no source of humidification it would remain at 70% forever as long as it sealed water tight? Not being a smart ass, just wanting to know how it works exactly, and I think it is still on topic.

I'm a noob so take this for what it's worth to you.

Tupperware isn't 100% airtight, just much more so than that of a wooden humidor. The tupperware would (should) hold the 70% RH a lot longer than a wooden humidor as the tupperware is more of an airtight container.

With that said, no it would not hold the 70% rh forever because its not 100% airtight.

That is if we are assuming the enviroment is correct and it doesn't fluctuate.