NHL '10 - '11 Thread

[icehog3]

You asked for it...you got it!!

First post honors the defending Champs.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/Hawksparade2.jpg

[Barcode]

Modano joining Red Wings who would have thunk it???

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=Ah8469ufnX7eNHEvRjcDmh97vLYF?slug=ap-redwings-modano

[dubnick]

Where will Niemi end up? I'm guessing Washington.

[SmokeyJoe]

Ahhhh... the off-season. Where hope springs eternal and I can delude myself into thinking my Hurricanes can make the playoffs.

At least Cam Ward is healthy. Losing Whitney will be tough and with Brind'Amour retired we will need to see the young guys step up.

Keep an eye on Brandon Sutter! :D

[Prefy]

Training camps are only a month and a bit away:ih

http://www.phenomenal-webmistress.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/montreal-canadiens-stanley-cup.jpg

Need to add to that this year:D

[dubnick]

I have to give the 'Canes credit for one thing.... The coolest 3rd jersey in the league IMHO

[SmokeyJoe]

I have to give the 'Canes credit for one thing.... The coolest 3rd jersey in the league IMHO

Ha ha... thanks, bro. It is a great looking jersey. :D

I am a big fan of Philly's Coach. :tu

[yourchoice]

I am a big fan of Philly's Coach. :tu

Me too! :D I love his intensity.
http://thelazyathlete.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2009-12-061.jpg
You probably like this photo a little more, Joe. :)
http://enrico.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451af4b69e201287615551b970c-pi

[icehog3]

Keep an eye on Brandon Sutter! :D

I think he is definitely a "keeper", Joe. :tu

[icehog3]

The San Jose Sharks have signed free-agent forward Jamal Mayers to a one-year contract.

The Boston Bruins signed 18-year-old Tyler Seguin, the second overall pick in the 2010 NHL entry draft, to an entry-level contract, the Bruins announced Tuesday.

Ilya Kovalchuk's future is being decided in Boston. Arbitrator Richard Bloch is holding a hearing that will conclude on Thursday to decide whether the New Jersey Devils' 17-year, $102 million contract to the free-agent forward can be rejected by the league, NHL.com reported on Wednesday.

[357]

Apparently Madano didn't want to play for San Jose. Turns out they made an offer too.

Go Wings!

[GHC_Hambone]

Go Hawks!

[Eleven]

Can't wait! Gonna have to get back to Pittsburgh this year and see the new place!

[althekillr]

I still think Niemi goes to san Jose, I can't believe they really think they are gonna make a run with Nittymaki (sp??). Tampa Bay is a possibilty

And i don't think there is any way they will hold up Kovy's contract. If they structured it a bit more reasonable maybe, but they went over the edge.

should be a great season, a strong Eastern Conference, but same story as last year. I'm really suprised Washington didn't pick up another good D this year. Thats really what their team needs to be a cup winner

[357]

Unless there is some specific language capping the length of a contract I dont' see how the league can win an appeal. IMO Im' suprised a team hasn't signed a 30 yr deal with 90% of the money paid out in the first 5 years (with 1/6th of the cap hit), and then simply resigned them to a different contract after 5 years.

[dubnick]

Ha ha... thanks, bro. It is a great looking jersey. :D

I am a big fan of Philly's Coach. :tu

I was considering getting one to add to my Jersey collection... But my choice went ahead and retired!! :rl

We like him as well... would have been nice to see him get another ring. :tu

[Ahbroody]

Apparently Madano didn't want to play for San Jose. Turns out they made an offer too.

Go Wings!

It was well known that he wanted to play in either Det or Minn because of ties to both. He will have more impact on Dets roster then SJs so that was likely a factor also.

Sorry I couldnt respond on the other thread yesterday was busy. Will do my best to address a few of your questions.

1) Sharks losing Malholtra Blake and Nabby. You apparently missed how bad old man Blake got exposed all year and how many penalties he took. How many goals resulted from this. I spent the year posting about it. No one here was sad to see him leave. Nabby was horrible after the Olympics and in past years playoffs. Again no one wanted him back. Why the coaching staff said they didnt want him back and there would be no negotiations. Who is praising these people? Not us over here.

2) You asked why I would want Niemi as the Sophmore slump. First he only played 37 regular season games which may help, second he showed great nerve more then Howard, third and most important is 10-11 the last year the NHL exists? I think he will be good for many years. He is young and good and there are many years of Hockey to be played. I would like him as there will be hockey beyond next year. They may loose their chance to get him now and lock him up for years to come. Kind of need to look past your nose for that one.

3) "Lastly, without Malhotra, who's going to take a faceoff for the Sharks?" You asked. Why dont you read this. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535439#&navid=nhl-search Its the last segment. Apparently you missed the fact about the Sharks 5 centers dominating the League. You ever here of that guy Scott Nichol? Suprised someone so into STATS would ask such a question.

[Ahbroody]

One more thing and this will kill this and I dont expect you or Christos to ever Yammer about this again.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535408&navid=DL|NHL|home

From the Wings head Coach Mike BabCOCK
"We're trying to get back to being the Red Wings, not like last year when we were taped together all year, had no depth and we rode people too hard so when we got to the playoffs we were exhausted," Babcock said.

Hey Christos why dont you go tell Babcock hes wrong. You and Mike clearly must know more then the head coach.

That would be GAME, SET, MATCH. I will expect a very enlightened post from you to in response to Babcock and what I said all year. :=:

[dubnick]

As a side not... Anyone else get the Center Ice package?? I get it every year for my birthday. Just wish there was more than one game on each night in HD.

[icehog3]

As a side not... Anyone else get the Center Ice package?? I get it every year for my birthday. Just wish there was more than one game on each night in HD.

I do, for the last several seasons Lane...and I get several games in HD every night. I am not sure why you do not?

[dubnick]

I have Verizon Fios. For some reason that's all they offer. Kinda sucks, but at least on Saturday nights I get HNIC on the NHL Network.

[gpugliese]

I was on cable the past few years and only got one HD channel for Center Ice. I've heard Directv has multiple HD CI channels so I can't wait.

[Ahbroody]

I dont usually get it because I usually stream the games over the PC attached to the TV, but I think I will get it this year. Just to many things I want to watch this year.

Doesnt DTV have a multigame viewing option?

[icehog3]

I dont usually get it because I usually stream the games over the PC attached to the TV, but I think I will get it this year. Just to many things I want to watch this year.

Doesnt DTV have a multigame viewing option?

Not on my DirecTV.....but any game that is broadcast in its locality in HD is available in HD on DirecTV....usually about 80% of the games for me.

[357]

It was well known that he wanted to play in either Det or Minn because of ties to both. He will have more impact on Dets roster then SJs so that was likely a factor also.

Sorry I couldnt respond on the other thread yesterday was busy. Will do my best to address a few of your questions.

1) Sharks losing Malholtra Blake and Nabby. You apparently missed how bad old man Blake got exposed all year and how many penalties he took. How many goals resulted from this. I spent the year posting about it. No one here was sad to see him leave. Nabby was horrible after the Olympics and in past years playoffs. Again no one wanted him back. Why the coaching staff said they didnt want him back and there would be no negotiations. Who is praising these people? Not us over here.

2) Nabby may not have been offered a contract. So beit. But, he has been your starter for a long time. The void needs to be filled. You asked why I would want Niemi as the Sophmore slump. First he only played 37 regular season games which may help, second he showed great nerve more then Howard, third and most important is 10-11 the last year the NHL exists? I think he will be good for many years. He is young and good and there are many years of Hockey to be played. I would like him as there will be hockey beyond next year. They may loose their chance to get him now and lock him up for years to come. Kind of need to look past your nose for that one.

3) "Lastly, without Malhotra, who's going to take a faceoff for the Sharks?" You asked. Why dont you read this. http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535439#&navid=nhl-search Its the last segment. Apparently you missed the fact about the Sharks 5 centers dominating the League. You ever here of that guy Scott Nichol? Suprised someone so into STATS would ask such a question.

1.) This is easy to say. It's like the guy who gets dumped by his girlfriend "I hated that ____ anyway". Sure you did :rolleyes:, but they left you so who's to say. If you were posting about how bad Blake was, fine. The issue remains. He may have been over the hill, but still talented and ate up a lot of minutes on the blueline; especially on power plays and penalty kills. Nabby, I'll save that for number 2.

2.) I didn't ask why you wanted Niemi. I asked why it's different. Niemi had a great rookie year, so did Howard. You put Howard down saying goalies who have good rookie years often fall flat the following year. Why is it any different for Niemi? I know he started less games, but I don't think the goalie sophomore flop is primarily based upon endurance issues. I almost forgot to ask, how to you measure "showing of nerve"? Both goalies took over for very good teams that expected to win. Both jobs came with a ton of pressure.

3.) Yeah, yeah, yeah Sharks won faceoff percent this past year. Look who's dominated that stat for a decade, the Wings. The year before Draper lead all players with a 60.3% and the Wings lead all teams with 55.1%. Not to mention Datsyuk has been very good and creeping up the list past couple years too. Last season he was 12th at 55.1%.

BTW, you missed the beginning of the article you linked to. See below:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535439#&navid=nhl-search

Takeaways: Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit

Even if Datsyuk weren't a tremendously skilled offensive player (he is), he'd be a star for his defensive abilities alone. One of the abilities that helped him win the Selke Trophy as the NHL's top defensive forward in each of the last three seasons is his unparalleled skill as a puck thief.

Datsyuk ran away from the field again last season with 132 takeaways, 49 more than runner-up Ryan Kesler of the Vancouver Canucks. It's the third time in the past four seasons that Datsyuk led the NHL in takeaways -- he was second in 2008-09 with 89, five behind fellow Russian Evgeni Malkin of the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Datsyuk's total marked the third time in four seasons that he's been in triple digits in takeaways -- he's the only player ever to break 100 in the last five seasons. His total of 144 is the most since play resumed after the work stoppage in 2005.



The reason I included that was many people only care about the star's point or goal totals. While some third/fourth line center may be good at faceoffs, the fact is Datsyuk or Thornton will be on the ice much more. I noticed Joe's not bad at them either. That point is somewhat moot. Having a perenial Selke/Bing winner as your 1st line center goes a long way. The Wings have two of the best two-way centers in the league, and Madano will have an impact as our third line center. With him between Hudler and Cleary, they compose arguably the most potent third line in the NHL.

[357]

One more thing and this will kill this and I dont expect you or Christos to ever Yammer about this again.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535408&navid=DL|NHL|home

From the Wings head Coach Mike BabCOCK
"We're trying to get back to being the Red Wings, not like last year when we were taped together all year, had no depth and we rode people too hard so when we got to the playoffs we were exhausted," Babcock said.

Hey Christos why dont you go tell Babcock hes wrong. You and Mike clearly must know more then the head coach.

That would be GAME, SET, MATCH. I will expect a very enlightened post from you to in response to Babcock and what I said all year. :=:


Um...it's not hard to understand what he was saying. If you have 3 good lines and an OK 4th you have depth. If you're missing 3 players "taped together" from your top two lines, now you have 2 good lines and 2 OK lines and you lack the depth you once had.

Sorry, very weak argument on a quote taken out of context.

[GreekGodX]

One more thing and this will kill this and I dont expect you or Christos to ever Yammer about this again.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535408&navid=DL|NHL|home

From the Wings head Coach Mike BabCOCK
"We're trying to get back to being the Red Wings, not like last year when we were taped together all year, had no depth and we rode people too hard so when we got to the playoffs we were exhausted," Babcock said.

Hey Christos why dont you go tell Babcock hes wrong. You and Mike clearly must know more then the head coach.

That would be GAME, SET, MATCH. I will expect a very enlightened post from you to in response to Babcock and what I said all year. :=:

Right when you have most of your players out due to injury, then you won't have any depth. Which is what we both have been saying! Looking at a completely healthy roster we have the depth. I don't see anywhere that he said, by looking at our healthy roster we don't have any depth. I believe at one point they had 9 regular players out. I think that proves we had depth beyond our stars and were able to stay in the playoff picture even though we were injury riddled.

[Ahbroody]

1.) This is easy to say. It's like the guy who gets dumped by his girlfriend "I hated that ____ anyway". Sure you did :rolleyes:, but they left you so who's to say.

2.) I didn't ask why you wanted Niemi. I asked why it's different.

3.) Yeah, yeah, yeah Sharks won faceoff percent this past year.

4) BTW, you missed the beginning of the article you linked to. See below:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535439#&navid=nhl-search

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1) No its what I wrote all year. I ripped Blake and Nabby a lot its there. I was the most critical poster of the Sharks all year. Dont come at me attempting to put thoughts in my head or say what I am thinking with a useless reply like that when I have proof and its posted in the thread. Would you want me to do the same?

2) I never said it was different I said I wanted to sign him. "that would be sweet." Is what I wrote. You agaiin are imagining/ creating in your head. I never said it would be different. Please read it again. I only listed possibilities that might be different after you asked. Which is when I stated why I wanted to sign him. LONG TERM. Not a savior this year. I imagine he wont be that hot this year. But then I never said he would be. As a side note though I dont think much of the rookie we have or the goalie we signed so Niemi may be better then either. :r That was not really relevant and I didnt say that prior to now.

3) Again WTF? you asked what the Sharks would do without Malholtra to take faceoffs. I was responding to your question and showing you why it was okay. You asked I answered.

4) Had/has nothing to do with the conversation. I didnt miss it or avoid it. Again I was replying to your question. Why would I include unrelated facts in my reply?




Right when you have most of your players out due to injury, then you won't have any depth. Which is what we both have been saying! Looking at a completely healthy roster we have the depth. I don't see anywhere that he said, by looking at our healthy roster we don't have any depth. I believe at one point they had 9 regular players out. I think that proves we had depth beyond our stars and were able to stay in the playoff picture even though we were injury riddled.

:r Sad.
The Sentence reads with commas so you understand each comma represnts a new statement or line of thought which is tied to the whole discussion, they are not dependent on each other as you two are implying.
1)"We're trying to get back to being the Red Wings,
2)not like last year when we were taped together all year,
3)had no depth and we rode people too hard so when we got to the playoffs we were exhausted," Babcock said.

So you are not confused he is saying "We had no depth and we rode the players we did have so hard that when we got to the playoffs we were exhausted. :=: We will just agree to disagree

[357]

Mike,

You keep moving the target, changing your argument. This should help us get back on topic.

1.) You said "Don't be surprised if Howard is this year's Mason". I asked what makes Niemi different. Term of contract was never even brought up. I asked the question because you said signing Niemi "would be sweet". Why the big worry about Howard but not about Niemi? If you can't make a logical argument that one is worse then the other, then why make the first statement about Howard being Mason if the same applies to Niemi?

2.) I was being sarcastic about Malhotra. You cited him as a significant addition to Vancouver due to his faceoff abilities, yet you scoffed at the Wings bringing back Hudler. My argument was Hudler put up almost twice as many points as Malhotra, and that the Wings have always been good at faceoffs. I thought it was illogical for your to tout one and scoff at the other. I used your own praise for Malhotra against you in sarcastically asking who would be left to take faceoffs for SJ. So let me ask again, why is Malhotra a significant addition and Hudler is not?

3.) Depth has been the other debate. You can take Babcock's words to make them sound better or worse. I think that has been established. Prior to that I presented stats that showed that per Man*Games (Not lost to Injury) the Wings generated the most points of any NHL team (102). This stat is used to show how productive the rest of the team was. You ignored it and busted out the cliche about the Wings being old and fading. Yet Christos mentioned that they had the best record in the second half of the season. Strange because doesn't fatigue set in at the end rather than the beginning of the season?

[icehog3]

What curse?

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/Hossacup.jpg

[357]

:wnr in

2008 | 2002 | 1998 | 1997 | 1955 | 1954 | 1952 | 1950 | 1943 | 1937 | 1936

I think the cup has been on loan for too long. Time for it to come back home to Hockeytown.

[icehog3]

:wnr in

2008 | 2002 | 1998 | 1997 | 1955 | 1954 | 1952 | 1950 | 1943 | 1937 | 1936

I think the cup has been on loan for too long. Time for it to come back home to Hockeytown.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQ4Kmz4zeU

[icehog3]

The Minnesota Wild say they have agreed to terms with veteran center John Madden on a one-year contract.

[357]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fQ4Kmz4zeU

a Janet Jackson refrence? Tom, you didn't strike me as a JJ fan.

[Ahbroody]

Mike,
You keep moving the target, changing your argument. This should help us get back on topic.


Mike I have never moved the target or changed the argument. I have stated the same things since last year. I wont be getting back on topic as I never left. I am not the one putting thoughts and words not written into your posts. It has become painfully obvious that no matter what I write be it direct quotes from a coach or stats we are not going to agree. I have no intrest in continuing this as I fear it will result in Tom having to get involved. I appreciate my friendship with Tom too much to put him in that situation. So I will for the second time in a row post. Lets just agree to disagree. :tu

[Ahbroody]

The San Jose Sharks have signed free-agent forward Jamal Mayers to a one-year contract.
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This appears to have been done to help fill the void left by Malholtra on the PK. I still think they need a really good stay at home D man as I am not sold on either of our goalies. It would look as though the Sharks forwards better score early and often to help win games.

[dubnick]

The Minnesota Wild say they have agreed to terms with veteran center John Madden on a one-year contract.

I'd love to see the Wild do well. Such a great market up there. Plus I like watching Latendresse play. :tu

[GHC_Hambone]

The Minnesota Wild say they have agreed to terms with veteran center John Madden on a one-year contract.

Oh mannnnnnnnn. He was my 2nd favorite player behind Brent Sopel. Seems my favorite players dont last very long.

[icehog3]

a Janet Jackson refrence? Tom, you didn't strike me as a JJ fan.

Nah, it was a Detroit Red Wings reference, Mike.....read between the (arguably most potent third) lines. ;) :r

[GHC_Hambone]

Chelios finally retiring?

http://www.foxsportsdetroit.com/08/06/10/Chelios-to-retire-as-player-take-undeter/landing.html?blockID=285203&feedID=3701

[icehog3]

Chelios finally retiring?

http://www.foxsportsdetroit.com/08/06/10/Chelios-to-retire-as-player-take-undeter/landing.html?blockID=285203&feedID=3701

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/cryingsmiley.gif

[Ahbroody]

bought a pack of cards yesterday.
Antti Niemi rookie card inside. Hmmmmmm

[icehog3]

bought a pack of cards yesterday.
Antti Niemi rookie card inside. Hmmmmmm

You can retire now!!! :wo :wnr

[Ahbroody]

I already did. Then I decided to sell it for hockey fees.

[icehog3]

I already did. Then I decided to sell it for hockey fees.

Wow! How much does Beckett's say it's worth?

[Ahbroody]

Hahahahah no clue.
Was suprised they even made one last year. Shows played 3 games in 08 on the back :r

Kovalchuck is once again a free agent. LOL I think I kind of called this in the old thread. Glad the league finally decided to stop this as it was getting ridiculous. If the purpose of the K is designed to circumvent an agreement it can be voided.

Clearly I am always wrong.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535745

[yourchoice]

Al Morganti, a local radio personality here in Philly, that most of you probably remember from espn, suggested this morning that Lou A. offered him the rediculous contract at the behest of the league to give them a reason to deal with, what they are calling, the "loophole". He went on to suggest it could give the NHL the opportunity to review other questionable contracts already in place (in Philly's case, Pronger's). Seems kind of conspiracy theory-esque, but I guess there could be some gamesmanship in the works if there's any truth to it. Amirolla (sp) would be someone I could see trying to do something like that.
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[yourchoice]

Amirolla (sp)

O' brother...I wasn't even close! Lamoriello! :r

That's what I get for posting from my phone. :)

[icehog3]

it could give the NHL the opportunity to review other questionable contracts already in place (in Philly's case, Pronger's). ]

I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2

[Eleven]

I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2

They may not be able to void those, but I am all for them re-working them to be in line with the spirit of the CBA.

Everyone agreed to the CBA, now teams have found a way to circumvent the actual wording with creative contracts. Its cheating. Plain and simple.

[yourchoice]

I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2

I agree it seems unlikely they could void the contracts, Tom. But the league could review "questionable" past deals and consider cap implications. That's may still be a stretch.

The allegation that he offered the contract with the NHL's blessing seems unlikely too, but the contract certainly made the point of how preposterous it can be.

[icehog3]

It will definitely be interesting to watch this play out.

[Gophernut]

I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2

A quote from the arbitrator who voided the contract is pretty telling though:

"While [those] contracts have in fact been registered, their structure has not escaped league notice," Bloch wrote. "Those players' contracts are being investigated currently with at least the possibility of a subsequent withdrawal of the registration."


So he left the door for the NHL to do just that, of course the NHLPA will have something to say about that I am sure. I agree it will be interesting to watch it all play out.

[icehog3]

A quote from the arbitrator who voided the contract is pretty telling though:

"While [those] contracts have in fact been registered, their structure has not escaped league notice," Bloch wrote. "Those players' contracts are being investigated currently with at least the possibility of a subsequent withdrawal of the registration."


So he left the door for the NHL to do just that, of course the NHLPA will have something to say about that I am sure. I agree it will be interesting to watch it all play out.

I would have to call :bs on the arbitrator, Steve...I just don't see the League doing anything with past contracts.

[Gophernut]

I would have to call :bs on the arbitrator, Steve...I just don't see the League doing anything with past contracts.

I could see them trying, but I really don't think they'll get very far. The other contracts, aren't as week on the back end like this one is. Also, the NHLPA is going to stand in the way, they are a pretty strong union, and the NHL has a history of looking the other way on these sorts of things.

[icehog3]

I could see them trying, but I really don't think they'll get very far. The other contracts, aren't as week on the back end like this one is. Also, the NHLPA is going to stand in the way, they are a pretty strong union, and the NHL has a history of looking the other way on these sorts of things.

I agree completely. :tu

[Ahbroody]

I can't see how they can possibly void contracts which are already a year or more old....I think Morganti is off base. :2

Dont be so suprised. If they can show the purpose of the contract was to circumvent the CBA/ Cap then they just might. Lets not forget those two contracts last summer are what lead to this contract.

They may not be able to void it, but they may be able to put something in that says the K must be balanced and if the player does not complete the K then he must give back a percentage of the money he did not earn. I dont think this would happen though. What would be interesting if they did this would be if they could get the arbitrator to rule that the money returned must be determined by taking the amount of the K and dividing it by years of K. In all honesty if this was done and the Players Union took it to court they would have a tough time arguing the players would actually complete these contracts amd what the true purpose was. The courts in the past have shown they will side with the league and give them a lot of say in how business is done. Dont believe me? Look at how the Coyotes Bankruptcy was handled. The League was given control. If they will do it with the NFL they will do it with the NHL.

All and all I am glad this was done and hope something is done about last years contracts. Its Shiet for teams and players to do this. It violates the whole purpose of the cap and trying to introduce parody giving more teams a shot. I think most of us have had enough of certain teams buying players. Its nice to see teams struggle now that the cap has taken effect.

[357]

Mike I have never moved the target or changed the argument. I have stated the same things since last year. I wont be getting back on topic as I never left. I am not the one putting thoughts and words not written into your posts. It has become painfully obvious that no matter what I write be it direct quotes from a coach or stats we are not going to agree. I have no intrest in continuing this as I fear it will result in Tom having to get involved. I appreciate my friendship with Tom too much to put him in that situation. So I will for the second time in a row post. Lets just agree to disagree. :tu

OK. I was being civil; I wasn't calling names or mocking anyone. You kinda dogged my team. I disagreed with you. Thereafter I was only trying to make a logical argument that supported my opinion. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. We're fans of different teams, we'll never see eye to eye on which team is better. No hard feelings.

[357]

Nah, it was a Detroit Red Wings reference, Mike.....read between the (arguably most potent third) lines. ;) :r

I know it was a jab at the Wings, and their third line. What I couldn't grasp was how Janet Jackson lyrics were going through your mind. :D

[357]

They may not be able to void those, but I am all for them re-working them to be in line with the spirit of the CBA.

Everyone agreed to the CBA, now teams have found a way to circumvent the actual wording with creative contracts. Its cheating. Plain and simple.

I disagree. The rules are the rules. The intention of a rule is defined by the wording. If the wording is poor, then it's a bad rule. Fix the wording. Amend the CBA and have the PA approve it. I know that it's not as easy as it sounds, but as you said everyone agreed that the average salary over the term is applied to the cap.

IMO, it's not the GM's fault that they are smarter than the attorneys who wrote the CBA. Every team looks for ways to gain a competitive advantage. It's the teams job to do this; be the best within the rules.

:2

[Gophernut]

I disagree. The rules are the rules. The intention of a rule is defined by the wording. If the wording is poor, then it's a bad rule. Fix the wording. Amend the CBA and have the PA approve it. I know that it's not as easy as it sounds, but as you said everyone agreed that the average salary over the term is applied to the cap.

IMO, it's not the GM's fault that they are smarter than the attorneys who wrote the CBA. Every team looks for ways to gain a competitive advantage. It's the teams job to do this; be the best within the rules.

:2

I agree that this is not what I consider cheating, it is certainly within the grey area because of the poorly written rules. If you want to call it cheating you wont get too much arguement from me on that side though either.:confused:

[icehog3]

I know it was a jab at the Wings, and their third line. What I couldn't grasp was how Janet Jackson lyrics were going through your mind. :D

Because Janet Jackson is bangin'!!! :banger:xxx :xxx

[SmokeyJoe]

Washington Capitals Mistakenly Engraved on Prince of Wales Trophy! :D

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/11/washington-capitals-mistakenly-engraved-on-prince-of-wales-troph/?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnhl.fanhouse.com%2F2010%2 F08%2F11%2Fwashington-capitals-mistakenly-engraved-on-prince-of-wales-troph%2F

Oops!!!

[GHC_Hambone]

Washington Capitals Mistakenly Engraved on Prince of Wales Trophy! :D

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/11/washington-capitals-mistakenly-engraved-on-prince-of-wales-troph/?icid=main|htmlws-main-n|dl3|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fnhl.fanhouse.com%2F2010%2 F08%2F11%2Fwashington-capitals-mistakenly-engraved-on-prince-of-wales-troph%2F (http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/08/11/washington-capitals-mistakenly-engraved-on-prince-of-wales-troph/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl3%7Clink4%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fnhl.fanhouse.com%2F 2010%2F08%2F11%2Fwashington-capitals-mistakenly-engraved-on-prince-of-wales-troph%2F)

Oops!!!

Saw this a few days ago and I was sure it was a photoshop, I was shocked to learn it was real. How could they make such a bad mistake?!

[dubnick]

Saw this a few days ago and I was sure it was a photoshop, I was shocked to learn it was real. How could they make such a bad mistake?!

Hmmmmmm.... They BETTER fix it!!! :rl :rl :rl

[Ahbroody]

Any of you guys that play. Whats your take on the Power Balance bracelets/necklaces?
I see some NHLers even pimping them now.

[GreekGodX]

Any of you guys that play. Whats your take on the Power Balance bracelets/necklaces?
I see some NHLers even pimping them now.

Are these similar to the Trion or Phateon bracelets/necklaces?? I got some Trion ones for free and wear them but I don't think they help me in anyway..

[Ahbroody]

I am no hippie just want to state that. That said the power balance is differnet. they allegedly use magnets ,the titanium stuff is supposed to promote cal m.

found one on amazon cheap I bought it. :r I will report back.

teemu is apparently pimping these, that said having played for a while I know how superstitious I was and how bad others are. Likely all in the head. I think i will have the boy wear it and see what happens.

[Ahbroody]

http://www.hockeymonkey.com/weekend-blowout.html
Some good deals especially if you dont live in Cali so no sales tax either.

[GreekGodX]

http://www.hockeymonkey.com/weekend-blowout.html
Some good deals especially if you dont live in Cali so no sales tax either.

I saw this yesterday too!! I need a stick!

[Ahbroody]

Yeah Looks like Santa is doing some early Christmas Shopping. Seeing some gloves and a stick for Micah.

Registering him to play roller hockey along with his ice hockey this year. Some fantastic deals on youth roller hockey gear also. Being a gear whore is defintely an issue.

[Ahbroody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk2wIdSoboE&playnext=1&videos=f2E4SyLl59k
Epic fan spazzzzz out at 21 seconds. :r

[GHC_Hambone]

Huet to Switzerland?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536260

[icehog3]

Huet to Switzerland?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=536260

Hawks still have to pay him even if he plays there, but at least it's not a cap hit.

[Ahbroody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfNU92IoBs

[icehog3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGfNU92IoBs

Probert was well past his prime at that point. Severyn couldn't have lasted 10 seconds with him a couple years earlier. :2

[Ahbroody]

No doubt he looked very winded. You could tell that skill was still there though.

[Ahbroody]

Well there you have it boys.
Niemi will be a shark this year.
Only a one year deal, hoping it goes long term as I see him as a possible great goalie in a few years.

[icehog3]

Well there you have it boys.
Niemi will be a shark this year.
Only a one year deal, hoping it goes long term as I see him as a possible great goalie in a few years.

Interesting.

[Eleven]

Penguins have completed the puzzle. 29 other teams should just stay home this year...

Mike Comrie (http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=536836&navid=DL|PIT|home)

And I don't say this because Mike is so great, I say this because Mike is married to this:

http://abhaykant.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/hilary-duff-wallpaper-6.jpg?w=500

So seriously, stay home. She is mine! (And Mike's)

:)

[icehog3]

Penguins have completed the puzzle. 29 other teams should just stay home this year...

Mike Comrie

Nice pick-up by the Pens if he plays like he is capable of. Maybe the dame is why he hasn't lately. ;)

[icehog3]

FRom ESPN.com...Kovalchuk's contract will be the last of this type:

Five weeks after rejecting the Russian's landmark 17-year, $102 million contract with the Devils, the league approved a revised 15-year, $100 million deal on Friday after reaching an agreement with the NHL Players Association on an amendment covering long-term contracts.

A source told ESPN.com's Scott Burnside that as part of the amendment, the NHL has agreed to stop looking into the long-term deals of Chris Pronger, Roberto Luongo, Marc Savard and Marian Hossa.

In exchange for allowing those four contracts and Kovalchuk's new deal to stand under the old rules, the NHLPA agreed to new regulations governing how front-loaded, long-term contracts count against the salary cap.

In the future, the salary cap hit for any contract that is five years or more in length and takes a player to his 41st birthday or beyond will be determined by the average of the yearly salaries only until the year in which the player turns 40.

All remaining years in the deal after a player turns 41 will be recalculated based on the salary of those final years of the contract, according to the source.

The two-tiered cap system will prevent GMs from signing players like Kovalchuk to long-term deals with a dramatically reduced salary at the end of the contract designed to lower the salary cap.

For example, the original Kovalchuk deal would be allowed under the new rules, but the salary cap hit would be based on the first 13 years of the deal. When Kovalchuk turns 40, the cap hit would be recalculated based on the final four years of the contract. Under the amendment, the first 13 years of the original deal would cost the Devils $7.68 million annually against the salary cap while the final four years, when Kovalchuk would almost certainly have been retired, would come with a cap hit of $550,000.

"You could still do [that deal] but you can't use the five years at $550,000 to bring down the cap hit. It's almost two separate contracts really," the source said.

While the five contracts at issue will be honored at their current values, the new agreement agreed upon on Friday will cover any new contracts.

"Getting all those deals approved in exchange for [the new regulations] is a great deal," for the NHLPA, the source told ESPN.com.

[icehog3]

Penguins have completed the puzzle. 29 other teams should just stay home this year...



Pens signed Comrie for 500K, I wish the Hawks would have signed him rather than Pisani at the same price.

That being said, if Comrie "completes the puzzle", the Pens must have had all the pieces before that...I think the Hawks, Sharks, Wings, Canucks, Kings, Caps and all will still play. ;) :r

[Ahbroody]

Pens signed Comrie for 500K, I wish the Hawks would have signed him rather than Pisani at the same price.

That being said, if Comrie "completes the puzzle", the Pens must have had all the pieces before that...I think the Hawks, Sharks, Wings, Canucks, Kings, Caps and all will still play. ;) :r

Wait wait Wings? I kid I kid
Agreed thats why they play the games Tom. I dont know what to think of this new Sharks team or Hawks team. This season will be very interesting in the west and I dont see any team running away with it.

[icehog3]

Wait wait Wings? I kid I kid
Agreed thats why they play the games Tom. I dont know what to think of this new Sharks team or Hawks team. This season will be very interesting in the west and I dont see any team running away with it.

Hawks, Sharks, Kings, Wings, Canucks are all definitely in the mix, Mike.

[Eleven]

Nice pick-up by the Pens if he plays like he is capable of. Maybe the dame is why he hasn't lately. ;)

I will keep my fingers crossed that she doesn't 'Tony Romo' him :)

[357]

Hawks, Sharks, Kings, Wings, Canucks are all definitely in the mix, Mike.

Holy crap, a Wings fan, Sharks fan, and Blackhawks fan actually agree on something. :O

[icehog3]

Holy crap, a Wings fan, Sharks fan, and Blackhawks fan actually agree on something. :O

Gonna be a great season in the West! :tu

[Ahbroody]

Holy crap, a Wings fan, Sharks fan, and Blackhawks fan actually agree on something. :O

I dont think we agree on placement in the West:r, but I do believe it will be one kick ass year. I think the Sharks Have a strog chance of winning the west for the 3rd year in a row, but wouldnt be suprised to see the Canucks swipe it. As for LA I said last year its a great young team as is PHX. They can catch fire and do a lot a damage.

[ahc4353]

Don't know if this has been discussed (searching on my phone sucks).

Dave Kolomatis signed a 3 year deal with the Kings. This is the second D man (John Carlson Caps) from my sons organization to go pro.

Maybe there is hope for Mitch yet! :D

[icehog3]

Go Mitch!! :wo

[Ahbroody]

Don't know if this has been discussed (searching on my phone sucks).

Dave Kolomatis signed a 3 year deal with the Kings. This is the second D man (John Carlson Caps) from my sons organization to go pro.

Maybe there is hope for Mitch yet! :D

Go Mitch!! :wo

:tpd: that would be awesome.

[Ahbroody]

Too funny found out the NFL season started today when I got to work. Didnt even know.

Is it hockey season yet?

[icehog3]

Training camp in 1 week! :wo

[jmsremax]

Just my tickets in hand today! :wo


Here's to the '10-'11 season :chr

[Ahbroody]

got mine also this week. Selling half my season. Too hard with work and micahs hockey to make that many games

[jmsremax]

got mine also this week. Selling half my season. Too hard with work and micahs hockey to make that many games


I hear ya...I split it amongst some friends because the cost of each game is quite high when you add in the beers before, during, and sometimes after.

[Ahbroody]

Because I love me some PJ Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZXO4zLwNkA

[icehog3]

Because I love me some PJ Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZXO4zLwNkA

Great scrap. :tu

[Barcode]

Restricted free-agent center Peter Mueller re-signed with the Colorado Avalanche on Friday, agreeing to a two-year contract.

Hopefully the youth movement will get the AVS back on top of the west.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=Am6sYwWVL_PnhylnUTAp9qN7vLYF?slug=ap-avalanche-mueller

[Eleven]

got mine also this week. Selling half my season. Too hard with work and micahs hockey to make that many games

Any Penguins ticket holders thinking of doing the same, PM me :)

[icehog3]

Just noticed that some random guy in the "Entourage" intro is wearing a Chicago Wolves jersey. :r

[357]

Restricted free-agent center Peter Mueller re-signed with the Colorado Avalanche on Friday, agreeing to a two-year contract.

Hopefully the youth movement will get the AVS back on top of the west.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=Am6sYwWVL_PnhylnUTAp9qN7vLYF?slug=ap-avalanche-mueller

So did this put them over the minimum cap? I heard on local radio they were in position to not meet the min and had few if any roster spots.

[GreekGodX]

NHL coming down on the first Kovalchuk deal..
Devils penalized over Kovalchuk deal -ESPN.com news services

The New Jersey Devils ended up with Ilya Kovalchuk in the end, but it is costing them more and more.

Since an arbitrator found that the team circumvented the collective bargaining agreement by trying to sign the forward to a front-loaded 17-year, $102 million deal in July, the NHL handed down a penalty on Monday.

The Devils were fined $3 million and must forfeit their third-round draft choice in 2011 and a first-rounder in one of the next four drafts. The team can choose which draft and must tell the league following the conclusion of the Stanley Cup finals in that year.

The Devils will not see their salary cap reduced as a result of the fine.

In a settlement with the league, the Devils were able to sign Kovalchuk to a 15-year, $100 million contract.

Devils general manager Lou Lamoriello issued a statement in response to the ruling.

"We were today advised of the ruling by the Commissioner with respect to the Kovalchuk matter," the statement read. "We disagree with the decision. We acted in good faith and did nothing wrong. We will have no further comment."

The league said in a statement that it now considers the matter closed.

[icehog3]

I thought the deal between the NHLPA and the NHL done a couple weeks ago said there would be no reprisals for the prior deals? :confused:

[Ahbroody]

Prior deals. This one was still open apparently. Kind of sad that the devils got hit and other teams skated. Glad this was done though. They were abusing the system and its badfor the game.

[GreekGodX]

I don't like the ruling. The NHL employs lawyers to prevent loopholes in the collective bargaining, and the Devils took advantage of the lawyers mistakes. I think this is just the NHL trying to blame someone else other than themselves.

The thing I don't get is that the NHL changed the rules of contracts now. So why try and make an example of the team when other teams cannot do this anymore?

[E.J.]

Pleased to see the Avs get both Mueller and Stewart signed before camp....

So did this put them over the minimum cap? I heard on local radio they were in position to not meet the min and had few if any roster spots.

Nope...think they are just under the minimum.....





For those more knowledgeable than I(not difficult I am sure).... Why 2 years for all the young talent... 2 years for Mueller, Stewart, Yip & Quincey this Summer?

[Ahbroody]

Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

[icehog3]

Pleased to see the Avs get both Mueller and Stewart signed before camp....



Nope...think they are just under the minimum.....





For those more knowledgeable than I(not difficult I am sure).... Why 2 years for all the young talent... 2 years for Mueller, Stewart, Yip & Quincey this Summer?

Perhaps anticipating coming changes in the NHLPA contract?

[SmokeyJoe]

My tickets arrived this week!

Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks. :D

[icehog3]

My tickets arrived this week!

Looking forward to a great season... let's see if we can wrestle the Cup away from those pesky Blackhawks. :D

Peksy? Why I oughtta....


;) :r :D

[GreekGodX]

Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

I get all that but still other teams made similar deals and there was no punishment to them. The league changed the rules now to prevent similar deals. The punishment seems excessive for something the league should have foreseen happening.

[Eleven]

I stand behind my assertion that what the Devils did was cheating. The fine and loss of picks seems to confirm that.

[Ahbroody]

No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

[Ahbroody]

http://www.hockeygiant.com/20100915hg.html?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20100915hg-wed%20(1)&utm_content=

More of a classic skate guy, but these are kind of sexy.

[357]

No argument here, but some orher teams cheated and got away with it.

Cheat: to violate rules or regulations.

The CBA is a document, not some idea floating around in the air. Rules are defined within the document. If the document doesn't explicitly prohibit the terms of said contract, it's not cheating. BTW, this is not an argument based upon symantics. It's how the law works.

It's the GMs jobs to do the best they can within the defined rules. Not the rules as they exist in Bettman's brain, or memory; but as they exist in black and white on the document that is the CBA.

"They cheated" is just whining IMO.

Some GMs were more aggressive at using this lack of legal forsight than others. The Devil's were more aggressive and pissed off Bettman. Subsequintly they got pimped. The Devils should appeal the ruling.


P.S. Please don't take this as an attack, its not. It is also not personal nor meant to cause an argument. I just respectfully disagree with your position.

[Ahbroody]

Not going to waste the time debating you. I will refer you to the arbitrators finding and the penalties leveled. Go take it up with him and people with a lot more knowledge and experience on the matter then either of us. I already discussed this above in very basic terms. The Devils did nothing different then the other teams. The league wanted the loophole closed and to set an example. As part of the agreement with the PA they decided to leave the other Ks alone, not because they were different.

As someone with a law degree and a little more knowledge on K law then you I will respectfully disagree and not discuss this with you further. I have no intrest in banging my head against the wall with you again. Sorry its no fun.

I dont know why I cant resist replying when I know its wasted breath, but I guess I am a masochist.

[icehog3]

Everybody chill with an adult beverage and a cigar...Pre-season games start next week. :ih

[yourchoice]

Christos

Because part of the terms of the k will be that both parties act in goodfaith under the terms of the k. That also means one party will not attempt to exploit a loophole in the k. That is why there is arbitration also. If one party to the k, here the CBA, feels a party is acting in bad faith they can request the arbitrator review.

An independent arbitrator found that these k's are being done to violate one of the essential terms of the CBA which is the cap. The cap that was put in place to kill dynastys. The cap has done this. These k's are attempting to work around the essential agreement of the CBA. Everyone knows this and its why the arbitrator found badfaith. With badfaith comes punishment.

This isnt a single transaction this is an ongoing k and requires goodfaith in actions from both sides, not one party to go FU I found a loophole and as a result screw what we agreed to I am going to exploit you and undermine the whole intent of our agreement

Mike, I agree with pretty much everything you said, except what I bolded. IMHO, the cap was put in place to allow, and with the minimum cap, make the smaller markets competitive, creating parity. A byproduct of that is difficulty in creating a dynasty. I don't think the league has a problem with dynasties, but with small markets being uncompetitive.

Semantics? Maybe, but that's how I see it, and I think there's a difference.

[Ahbroody]

Everybody chill with an adult beverage and a cigar...Pre-season games start next week. :ih

:r
Maybe my wife was right last night when she said I was acting like a bish. This keto diet does makr me a bit grumpy.

Joel no issue here with you take on bold. I just think the league instituted the cap to kill dynastys and give more teams a chance to win the cup. So teams cant buy championships anymore. We dont need the Yankees in hockey. It has worked by the way I know we both agree on that.

[icehog3]

NHL fantasy projection on Duncan Keith...I loved this one!

Keith provides the entire fantasy package. This strapping 27-year-old will take you to dinner, pay for everything, kiss you goodnight (just saucily enough), return to make breakfast the next morning, do the dishes, then head over to your mother's to wash her windows. He seems too good to be true but isn't. Playing a considerable part in the Chicago Blackhawks' Stanley Cup-winning season, Keith accumulated 69 points (second of all D-men to only Mike Green) and 51 PIM while averaging 26:35 minutes per game (second to only Carolina Hurricane Joni Pitkanen leaguewide) and ending the year plus-21. What else do you want? Durability? Well, he's missed only six games in five full NHL seasons. In any fantasy league, Keith should go no later than the fourth round overall.

[Ahbroody]

Interesting Sharks bringing in Andreas Lilja for a tryout after he refused a tryout with with the Wings.

Tom it says strapping not strapon settle down.

[GreekGodX]

Interesting Sharks bringing in Andreas Lilja for a tryout after he refused a tryout with with the Wings.

Tom it says strapping not strapon settle down.

Yea he turned it down partly because he turned down a 1 year deal earlier in the offseason and we have too many 1-way players on D. No chance he cracks our D rotation.

[Ahbroody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKLmpZQ2glE

Phaneuf :td just not a fan of him

[icehog3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKLmpZQ2glE

Phaneuf :td just not a fan of him

He has a face I just wanna punch. Honest.

[Ahbroody]

Focking stammering idiot. How about you practice that speech in the mirror a few times or hell just read it before you go up and speak. Jebus. I am a closet Leafs fan and that just made me sad. Jerseys alright :tu

If he did practice then holy crap talk about dark days ahead.

[Eleven]

That was pretty bad. Not sure if I care one way or the other in who gets the 'C' there, but he has one LONG road ahead to prove he fits in with Doug Gilmour and Wendel Clark.

[GreekGodX]

Preseason for the Wings starts tonight :wo

Looking forward to seeing Jakub Kindl play. Drafted 5 years ago in the Crosby draft. Hoping he can crack our D rotation and get some youth infused there. Dude has some skill just hopefully he shows up during the preseason and more importantly for the season.

[kazzaca]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKLmpZQ2glE

Phaneuf :td just not a fan of him

The Leafs were awful yesterday...that Phaneuf play was hilarious...

[Ahbroody]

The Leafs were awful yesterday...that Phaneuf play was hilarious...

You talking about the second goal where the winger skated right past him and scored?

[JackSchwartz]

Preseason for the Wings starts tonight :wo

Looking forward to seeing Jakub Kindl play. Drafted 5 years ago in the Crosby draft. Hoping he can crack our D rotation and get some youth infused there. Dude has some skill just hopefully he shows up during the preseason and more importantly for the season.


I've been pumped for him to break into the NHL as well. He's got decent size and skates really well. It sounds like he could turn into a point producing D.

I'm also interested to see how Modano plays. He should be able to do some damage on the thrid line with Jiri Hudler.

The Detroit News was saying Zetterberg showed up to camp a few pounds lighter. He should have a little more pep in his step and can hopefully avoid any back issues.

Go Red Wings.

Eric

[Eleven]

Any of you Detroit fans have links to streams of this game? Its not being televised. I know that 105.9FM in Pittsburgh is broadcasting it, haven't checked to see if they have online streaming yet.

Go Pens :)

[GHC_Hambone]

Ahh...first taste of hockey tonight. Oh how I missed it.

[icehog3]

Ahh...first taste of hockey tonight. Oh how I missed it.

I thought Morin and Makarov looked good, and I think Turco is going to add a whole new dimension to the breakout. :tu

[Ahbroody]

Anyone got an old visor they are not using? I want to get one for coaching this year, but dont want to drop 50. Little turds love getting their sticks up.

Trying not to waste money and aint going to wear my birdcage out there.

Sharks lose opener 5-2 nittymaki gives up 4 goals on 12 shots.

[357]

First preseason game and Franzen takes a knee-to-knee hit. :fl

[icehog3]

First preseason game and Franzen takes a knee-to-knee hit. :fl

Did they say if he will be ok?

[JackSchwartz]

Did they say if he will be ok?

They said it was a charley horse, sounds like he'll be okay. I didn't see the game but they said Derek Meech left early as well. Some sort of head injury. Please don't let this be another injury-plagued season for the Wings.

[JackSchwartz]

Anyone got an old visor they are not using? I want to get one for coaching this year, but dont want to drop 50. Little turds love getting their sticks up.

Trying not to waste money and aint going to wear my birdcage out there.

Sharks lose opener 5-2 nittymaki gives up 4 goals on 12 shots.

I'll take a look through my gear tonight, might still have mine laying around. I switched back to a full cage after taking a puck to the lip a couple years ago. Ten stitches; five on the outside and five inside the mouth :td Oh, and I had a rookie doc with some shakey hands. I'll shoot you a PM if I can find my old visor.

Eric

[357]

Did they say if he will be ok?

I heard it on the radio on my way in. At the time they didn't know yet.

Apparently now it's no big deal

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2010/09/johan_franzen_suffers_charley.html
Detroit Red Wings forward Johan Franzen suffered a charley horse Wednesday on a knee-on-thigh hit from Pittsburgh defenseman Brooks Orpik during the first period of the Penguins' 5-1 victory in the preseason opener at the Consol Energy Center.

It does not appear to be a long-term injury, as general manager Ken Holland said there was no need for any tests.

[GHC_Hambone]

I thought Morin and Makarov looked good, and I think Turco is going to add a whole new dimension to the breakout. :tu

Yeah once everyone gets used to it and communicating, it should lead to some good chances. It was funny to see him get called for icing last night lol.

[Ahbroody]

I'll take a look through my gear tonight, might still have mine laying around. I switched back to a full cage after taking a puck to the lip a couple years ago. Ten stitches; five on the outside and five inside the mouth :td Oh, and I had a rookie doc with some shakey hands. I'll shoot you a PM if I can find my old visor.

Eric

Yeah back when I played my wife explained that I needed to work to make money and looking cool, or not wanting to wear a bird cage and getting injured in beer league

[Ferrari5180]

Go Habs Go!! I hope they do something this year. They did quite well last season. What a piss off that they did not keep Halak. I would have paid him a lot more than St.Louis. Price is just awful, which was completely noticeable during the Boston game.

[Prefy]

Go Habs Go!! I hope they do something this year. They did quite well last season. What a piss off that they did not keep Halak. I would have paid him a lot more than St.Louis. Price is just awful, which was completely noticeable during the Boston game.

The habs should have an interesting season for sure. Price needs to be given a chance to develop, he has all the skills to be a great goaltender. It's all about the metal game at this point.

Personally I think that he was rushed into the NHL and should have played in Hamilton as a starter for a couple years before he was thrown into the gauntlet that is Montreal. I'm hoping the Montreal fans give him some time to move into the #1 role before chopping his head of but I'm not holding my breath (other day vs. Boston is an example).

The biggest problem that I see in Montreal is size. The Habs have been small down the middle for many years and still have not adressed this issue. There aren't many guys that are going to be able to stack up physically against opponents big guys. So it will be interesting to see how they match up :2

[JackSchwartz]

Yeah back when I played my wife explained that I needed to work to make money and looking cool, or not wanting to wear a bird cage and getting injured in beer league

My buddy took a high-stick to the face a week before his wedding, three stitches on his cheek. I still remember how angry his wife was. If they weren't getting married the next week she probably would have gave him a couple stitches on the other cheek.

Couldn't find the old visor. I bet my wife tossed it away after we got the hospital bill for the stitches.

[Ahbroody]

Such is life. Likely going to buy a new bucket anyways. My old Itech bucket is birth control edition. Not the best looking helmet out there. :r

Going to take the little man to the game tonight. Wanted to move the seats, but no one is buying preseason stuff. The ***** is I am going to have to give away tomorrow nights game I bet as I have to work. Then I am likely going to have to take him again on wednesday. Atlest they are opening up in europe so I will get some time to move the first home gain seats. PITA!!

[gpugliese]

Wade Redden is going on waivers today at noon. Good riddance!

[Eleven]

Wade Redden is going on waivers today at noon. Good riddance!

His wife gave birth last night. The Rangers wanted to congratulate the happy couple in style.

[Ahbroody]

Sharks game last night had like 5 fights in 1 min. Of course I sold the tickets and misse it as the game was not on tv.

[GHC_Hambone]

Went to the Hawks game last night. Team looked good, especially Turco. I was impressed by his long passes, should bring a little more offense. UC was extremely crowded for a preseason game.

[Ahbroody]

Just watch out. He gets rattled sometimes. Been to multiple games where he took slashing penalties because the Sharks got under his skin. He does handle the puck well though.

Are goalie and D situation is going to kill us this year.

[icehog3]

Just watch out. He gets rattled sometimes. Been to multiple games where he took slashing penalties because the Sharks got under his skin. He does handle the puck well though.

Are goalie and D situation is going to kill us this year.

He has a MUCH better defense in front of him than he did the last few years. ;) And I kinda like a feisty goalie! :r

[Ahbroody]

Funny I was going to writw that but didnt. I agree

[Ahbroody]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Albert-Haynesworth-I-am-not-a-slave?urn=nfl-272374

I know some are football fans, but 32 Million for a season, refused to attend practices team events etc. Every year I become less and less of a football fan. Thank God Hockey Season is so long and I can fill the rest of the time with Baseball.

[357]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Albert-Haynesworth-I-am-not-a-slave?urn=nfl-272374

I know some are football fans, but 32 Million for a season, refused to attend practices team events etc. Every year I become less and less of a football fan. Thank God Hockey Season is so long and I can fill the rest of the time with Baseball.

Idiots like him throw out words like "slave" just to get attention or to try and sway some of the race card playing bandwagoniers. It's nausiating. He knows he has to do whatever is in that contract or the team can cease to pay him.

I agree with your sentiment, but its not just football. Basketball is almost as bad. Hockey seems to have quite a few less prima donnas.

[Ahbroody]

See but thats the thing apparently he missed practices, team events,etc.
It never ceases to amaze me just how quickly some people forget reality. I am sure he is a real pleasure and a very humble man to deal with off the field. :r


Hockey note watched the game where the wilds goalie was lost for the season. You could tell when he got hurt it was really bad. Wings have looked good in preseason, Sharks have looked bad. Will be interesting to see once roster is set what changes. I know the Sharks are not playing a lot of their D, but still.

[icehog3]

CHICAGO -- The Chicago Blackhawks will receive their Stanley Cup rings at a private gathering on Wednesday, a person familiar with the event said.


Cross Checks Blog
Scott Burnside and Pierre LeBrun write about all things happening in the NHL. Cross Checks

Kris Versteeg is expected to be the only former Hawk in attendance, as the Toronto Maple Leafs are allowing him to attend, the source said.

The Stanley Cup, recently engraved with the names of players and key members of the organization, will also be at the event. Versteeg's name was originally misspelled on the Cup, but was quickly corrected.

Former general manager and senior adviser Dale Tallon's name is also on the Cup. Tallon is currently GM of the Florida Panthers.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/ToewsCup.jpg

[357]

I wonder if Scotty's name ended up on it again???

[icehog3]

I wonder if Scotty's name ended up on it again???

Absolutely, he is considered a senior adviser.

[Ahbroody]

Watched the Sharks Nucks gamd lastnight. :td
Sharks let the Nucks walk all over them for the first 1.5 periods and dug a three goal hole. Looks like the Hawks made the right call on Niemi. With our swiss cheese d he is going to get carved up it would appear. The Sharks better score a lot of goals this year. I know its preseason but both teams were running close to regular roster.

[Mr B]

My thoughts exactly, Mike.

[icehog3]

Hopefully Niemi comes around...except when he plays the Hawks, of course. ;)

[Mr B]

I didn't realize that Niemi only played 32 games for the Hawks last year. Did he come in as a back-up 1/2 way thru the season?

[icehog3]

I didn't realize that Niemi only played 32 games for the Hawks last year. Did he come in as a back-up 1/2 way thru the season?

No, he and Huet split games until late in the season.

[jmsremax]

Hey Tom....I think you could have a banter just for b'hawks hockey. haha

Btw, any play NHL '11? Sick game and it's one of the only video games I still play.

I cannot wait until Oct 21st.....Bruins home opener! :noon (i love this smilie)

[Ahbroody]

Taking weeman to the game tonight.
Hope for a better performance.

[Ahbroody]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b358/ahbroody/IMAG0173.jpg
At the game Nucks goalie is soft tonight helping the Sharks cause. Pretty much looks like these 2 teams hate each other a looooooooooooooooooot. A lot of stufff after the whistle most are finishing any check they can. I will say the Sharks are easily carrying the play tonight. TOP, shots on goal 13-6. Nice to sr

[icehog3]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/SCRing.jpg

Hawks got their SC Rings last night.

And got back the Cup with their names on it.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/HawksCup.jpg

The spelling mistake on Versteeg's name has already been corrected.

[Mr B]

Nice game from the Sharls last night. The D stepped it up. Nitty barley touched the puck in the 2nd and 3rd. Nice to See the Heater doing well and injury free. Much improvement on the Power Play too.
:tu


:ih

[GHC_Hambone]

Good to see Dale's name on the cup there.

[Ahbroody]

Not sure.
Nitty did not look good handling the puck or skating. He just didnt look like a NHL Goalie at times. Hoping it gets a lot better and just nerves or something. Horrible as it sounds Nabby was much more skilled in that aspect. Well during the regular season. I still saw horrible passing and D in bizarre positions leading to no effort dumps in the attack zone and forcing forwards to be much more active on D to save their arses.

I will say as a whole they controlled the game and at times the pressure seemed relentless. The forwards looked good.

I got to say Tom may have been right about the canucks. What a bunch of bishes. So many crosschecks elbows etc behind the play and after the whistle. Nice to see them get rung up and forced to pay for all their crap. Eirhoff with the unsportsman like said it all. Thats why the Sharks ditched the guy. Friggin cancer in the locker room.

[icehog3]

Good to see Dale's name on the cup there.

No doubt. :D

I got to say Tom may have been right about the canucks. What a bunch of bishes.

I freaking hate them....the whole rotten bunch of them.

[Ahbroody]

http://www.hockeygiant.com/ccm09hk5hlmtc.html?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20100930hg-th%20(1)&utm_content=

[Eleven]

I always wondered how they fix a screwed up name on the cup. If I make an engraving mistake its a WHOLE lot of sanding and polishing, sometimes filling in with solder, but that is on a ring or charm. I don't think you can do that on the Cup though.

[jmsremax]

Anyone watch the Sabres/Habs game? Sabres played a decent game offensively.

Oh and I played two games of NHL '11 tonight and the second game I got the blackhawks and slapped down the thrashers 10-2. Note: I always do random and I have to take the third random team that pops up. The first game I got the pens and won 4-1.

:ih

[icehog3]

I always wondered how they fix a screwed up name on the cup. If I make an engraving mistake its a WHOLE lot of sanding and polishing, sometimes filling in with solder, but that is on a ring or charm. I don't think you can do that on the Cup though.

:)

The Stanley Cup has had a long, sad history of misspellings and mistakes during its annual engraving. Like when the New York "Ilanders" won the Cup in 1981, or when Adam "Deadmarch" was listed as a champion with the Colorado Avalanche in 1996, before the Cup was corrected to read Adam Deadmarsh.

Add Kris Versteeg's name to that dubious history, as the former Chicago Blackhawks winger discovered his name was misspelled "Kris Vertseeg" on the Cup before being corrected. From the Toronto Star:

Like the vast majority of Cup goofs, this one was caught early and corrected, as Versteeg told the Star they simply "punched" the correct letters over the original spelling.
In closing, we'd like to offer the theory that the Cup simply rejected Versteeg's name because it sensed he was a Leaf. Again, just a theory.

[Ahbroody]

Not bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKEYJl7RkEA

really good, both players ate some and gave some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDin6pTYxWI

[icehog3]

Not bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKEYJl7RkEA

really good, both players ate some and gave some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDin6pTYxWI

The hip check was the best part of the first one...that and Armstrong's elbow.

Nice scrap between two minor league journeymen making their way up in the second.

Brian Campbell is out 4-6 weeks for the Blackhawks with a sprained knee...rookies need to step up early.

[Ahbroody]

I thought he ate a few in the first one.:r But the hip check was a beauty. Man I wish there would be a lot more of that these days. Its such a lost art. I have every hope of teaching Micah to do it. :tu

Didnt hear about soupy. Did he sprain his knee doing the spinorama. Kid.
Man I hope the Sharks D pulls it together.

[icehog3]

Man I hope the Sharks D pulls it together.

I can't support you on that one, Mike...but I hope Niemi plays well against everyone but the Hawks. ;)

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

The hip check was the best part of the first one...that and Armstrong's elbow.

Nice scrap between two minor league journeymen making their way up in the second.

Brian Campbell is out 4-6 weeks for the Blackhawks with a sprained knee...rookies need to step up early.


:tf

[E.J.]

Avs lose Frozen Fury XIII last night to the Kings....

Chicago in Pepsi Center Thursday.....:banger

[OLS]

OMG, the Jags just beat the Colts, hahaa.

OOps, it says NHL, not NFL..sorry. :(

[Ahbroody]

Yup this is the sport that doesnt have the rapist, drug dealers, murderers, dog fight ring organizers, and multiple convicts on teams. Well baseball also, but the letters are not close. :r

[icehog3]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7192553/

[Ahbroody]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7192553/

AHAHHHA fukin Gong Show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Video made me think of this one.
http://www.gongshowgear.com/gears/12/s=149.html

[icehog3]

AHAHHHA fukin Gong Show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Video made me think of this one.
http://www.gongshowgear.com/gears/12/s=149.html

Nice! Too bad the XLs and XXLs are sold out. :r

[hammer26a]

Go Wings!

[icehog3]

Go Wings!

And take the Lions with you!! ;) :r

[Ahbroody]

Nice! Too bad the XLs and XXLs are sold out. :r

OOOOOO man you just gave me ammunition. :noon:noon Need to send you out that smoke anyway.

Figured you would have a Gong Show Shirt already.-(P

[icehog3]

OOOOOO man you just gave me ammunition. :noon:noon Need to send you out that smoke anyway.

Figured you would have a Gong Show Shirt already.-(P

Now cut that out! :r

[357]

Go Wings!

2nd that, & thanks for your service!

[E.J.]

AHAHHHA fukin Gong Show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Video made me think of this one.
http://www.gongshowgear.com/gears/12/s=149.html

Great t-shirts.....but $40+ for a t-shirt....WTF....:confused:

[Ahbroody]

It Gong Show. It was / still is for some a cult type thing. Some youner pros wear it also. I agree though they rape for a lot of stuff. Quality is supposed to be high. Never bought their stuff though.

[bscottskangum]

Regular season starts tomorrow :noon

Thought I would finally jump in here and resurrect things a bit

[GHC_Hambone]

Today is like Christmas Eve!

[bscottskangum]

Today is like Christmas Eve!

:tpd:

Can't wait! I've been biding my time playing NHL 11 on ps3....but I need the real thing!

[icehog3]

Regular season starts tomorrow :noon

Thought I would finally jump in here and resurrect things a bit

Resurrect things? Where ya been Barry, we have been talking in the thread every day since August! :r

Go Hawks!! :wnr

[Ahbroody]

Resurrect things? Where ya been Barry, we have been talking in the thread every day since August! :r

Go Sharks!! :wnr

Fixed it for you Tom :r

I think he meant they were going to resurrect the Jackets for another season. :noon Hey Yoooooooooooooooooo!!! ;s

[kugie]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7192553/

That was awesome:noon

[bscottskangum]

Resurrect things? Where ya been Barry, we have been talking in the thread every day since August! :r

Go Hawks!! :wnr

Noone had said anything for 2 whole days! Someone had to do something about it! :D

[bscottskangum]

I think he meant they were going to resurrect the Jackets for another season. :noon Hey Yoooooooooooooooooo!!! ;s

:fu2

I have hope right now.....don't ruin it.... :r:r

[icehog3]

Resurrect things? Where ya been Barry, we have been talking in the thread every day since August! :r

Go Sharts!! :wnr

Fixed it back for Mike. ;) :r

[Ahbroody]

They do tend to shart their pants in the playoffs.

Arrrrrrrghhhh drop the puck, I need my crack baby . Have not looked at the schedule yet is the NHL still cowering to the NFL on edit Sunday nights?

Tip just checked the schedule. No late Sunday games during football.

[E.J.]

Go AVS!

[E.J.]

Nice first for the Avs.... Would have liked to see them take advantage of some of those chances, but Turco has looked good.

[jmsremax]

Turco is having one heck of a game between the pipes (thus far).

[Ahbroody]

The Pens Flyers game very good. Liked that one and Philly shut down that 6-4 at the end. The Flyers are back and Legit! This may be their year. They will definetly make a deep run again.

The Hawks Avs game was likely the best first game of the year I have seen in many years. Hawks PP and Forwards looked great. Their D looked not so good at times. Colorado seemed to be able to expose them at times and their speed really seemed to be an issue. Turco looked great at times and not so good. Anderson looked pretty good. Both teams had puck luck at times.

Saw highlights of the Edmonton game. They will be fast and much improved this year.

Tomorrow the Sharks play, but I dont know if the game will show much. SJ and the Hawks story this year will be the D and their goalies. Both teams will bring the firepower.

One thing is for sure the West will be wild with a lot of scoring.

[DPD6030]

The Wings showed a pretty good game. Jimmy Howard was great in goal.

[Ahbroody]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U3Z92SdG8c&feature=fvwk
Forgot to post this. Raitis Ivanans put to sleep by Steve MacIntyre.

Sorry about the Loss Tom Sharks lost also :td. Didnt get to watch the game was working in the yard. I swear if clown shoes goes on a goal scoring tear this year I am sending him hate mail.

[GHC_Hambone]

The Wings showed a pretty good game. Jimmy Howard was great in goal.

Jimmy Howard? :confused:

EDIT: Sorry I didnt see what time that was posted lol

[jmsremax]

Seguin's first career NHL goal was a good one!

Thomas was great in between the pipes....I haven't said that in a while. Let's go Bs! :noon

[Shaerza]

The Wings showed a pretty good game. Jimmy Howard was great in goal.

Was a hell of a home opener to be at. A win, Modano scores in his first game on his first shot as a Wing, a shutout, and Datsyuk dropped the gloves and held his own!

[E.J.]

Go Avs....(just tied it up)....

Hartnell is a douche...

[Eleven]

Video Clip of the Year. So Far :) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JYeKEA5AoY)

[icehog3]

Hawks get their 1st win of 2010-11 with 2 Hossa beauts!

[GHC_Hambone]

Hawks get their 1st win of 2010-11 with 2 Hossa beauts!

Nice! :tu

[jmsremax]

Hawks get their 1st win of 2010-11 with 2 Hossa beauts!


Indeed.

[Ahbroody]

Go Avs....(just tied it up)....

Hartnell is a douche...

Video Clip of the Year. So Far :) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JYeKEA5AoY)

What did I miss? I love me some douchebagery

[E.J.]

This he was talking about your clip Mike....

Nothing significant last night, just Hartnell being Hartnell IMO....

[icehog3]

Wizzer imitates Sean Avery's mother....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONb5waVYAGM

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Wizzer imitates Sean Avery's mother....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONb5waVYAGM


:r:r

[yourchoice]

This he was talking about your clip Mike....

Nothing significant last night, just Hartnell being Hartnell IMO....

:sh I watched almost the entire game, and I'm trying to think when Hartnell was being Hartnell (don't get me wrong, I know exactly the type of stuff you're talking about - being an agitator). I know he tried to follow up a rebound and skated recklessly into the net...is that what you're talking about?

The one play I couldn't figure out was the Interference/Unsportsmanlike concurrent penalties with Carter and Anderson. I understand the call as it was a bit of both, but why in the world did they let the play continue and then allow the draw in the Flyers defensive zone? If they were concurrent minors, the draw should have been either at the end of the penalties or the neutral zone. Could have been a big factor. :sh

[E.J.]

:sh I watched almost the entire game, and I'm trying to think when Hartnell was being Hartnell (don't get me wrong, I know exactly the type of stuff you're talking about - being an agitator). I know he tried to follow up a rebound and skated recklessly into the net...is that what you're talking about?

The one play I couldn't figure out was the Interference/Unsportsmanlike concurrent penalties with Carter and Anderson. I understand the call as it was a bit of both, but why in the world did they let the play continue and then allow the draw in the Flyers defensive zone? If they were concurrent minors, the draw should have been either at the end of the penalties or the neutral zone. Could have been a big factor. :sh

It was not just the flying through Anderson. He was doing stuff that seemed to get my attention all night. Nothing huge, just little stuff that I would think….what a douche. My original comment was actually after he ran someone at the net after the whistle. Don’t remember who it was, but they didn’t appear to be near enough to Bobrovsky to get his panties in a bunch.

I have no idea what happened with the Interference/unsportsmanship…. I was all ready to go on the powerplay & what would most likely turn into a 6-4 and then they open the door in the Avs penalty box…. I never did see the replay, I was a little agitated....

Yes….why no whistle, letting Anderson go to the bench…??? It was odd….

[357]

Wizzer imitates Sean Avery's mother....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONb5waVYAGM

Pretty funny stuff. Avery isn't the most popular player in the league (with other players that is).

[DPD6030]

Wizzer imitates Sean Avery's mother....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONb5waVYAGM

That made my day today since work blows today. No pun intended :r

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

That made my day today since work blows today. No pun intended :r

Nice one Andrew:r

[lyle23]

lets see what the NHL does about that lil gesture done towards avery. everyone flew off the deepend when avery made his comments. granted he shouldnt have said what he said, where he said it, but any man would have said that in his shoes. alot of people including his current coach said there is no place for avery in hockey. as a professional athlete there is no place for what either of them did. but you wont hear much about disciplinary actions cuz this was done by wiezwho? i watched this game yesterday cuz i am a life long rangers fan and i couldnt believe i had seen what weiznewski did.

[icehog3]

Wiz will get a suspension, a Blackhawks defenseman got one for a less-offensive gesture during the preseason.

But saying Avery said what "any man would have said that in his shoes" is bull. I wouldn't have, nor would most of the hockey guys on this thread, but we all have a ton more class than Avery does. :2

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Wiz will get a suspension, a Blackhawks defenseman got one for a less-offensive gesture during the preseason.

But saying Avery said what "any man would have said that in his shoes" is bull. I wouldn't have, nor would most of the hockey guys on this thread, but we all have a ton more class than Avery does. :2

:tpd:

[Prefy]

Niklas Hjalmarsson suspended for two

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=337210

Suspension makes sense to me...it was an ugly hit but no intent to injure and Hjalmarsson doesn't have a history of being a dirty player.

An unfortunate event that sometimes just happens, hopefully Pominville will make a full recovery.

[E.J.]

Not extremely confident with the Avs going into Detroit who has been waiting for them....

Going to go downstairs, find a nice smoke, head outside and watch through the glass. GO AVS!

[yourchoice]

Niklas Hjalmarsson suspended for two

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=337210

Suspension makes sense to me...it was an ugly hit but no intent to injure and Hjalmarsson doesn't have a history of being a dirty player.

An unfortunate event that sometimes just happens, hopefully Pominville will make a full recovery.

I just watched it on youtube. The first angle they showed (where you could see both players' faces) looked a lot dirtier than the angle from behind where you could see he didn't raise his elbow. Definitely a suspendable hit though, IMHO.

Two games means Hjalmarsson's first game back will be Saturday against...the Sabres. That will be an interesting game to see. I'll be watching baseball though...someone (cough - Tom :)) let us know if there is any retribution.

[E.J.]

Nice first for the Avs, minus giving up that quick first goal.....

Go Avs!

[icehog3]

I didn't think Nik would get more than 1 game, I know he fely bad about the injury. I heard Sabres coach Ruff say he knows that Nik isn't that kind of player, so I don't look for anything but clean, hard checks by the Sabres on him on Saturday.

[E.J.]

Yipper!

[Eleven]

What did I miss? I love me some douchebagery

The link to the video of Avery getting 'blown off' was in the Smiley :)

[Eleven]

Video Clip of the Year. So Far :) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JYeKEA5AoY)

Click the Smiley. Guess I shouldn't have hidden it so well huh? Its a slightly different angle than the other posted here, and better quality.

[357]

I saw that hit on youtube. IMO it was a dirty hit. The victim didn't have the puck, nor was he even near it. He was hit from behind. The angle Niklas Hjalmarsson may not have a history of this kind of play but it was pretty bad.

[357]

Forgot to mention the Wings/Avs game. I only caught the 3rd, OT, & SO. I have to say I think the SO is wearing thin. Not because we lost, but it's novelty has worn off quite a bit. Not that I have a better suggestion on to how to break a tie, just not loving the SO. What do you think?

[icehog3]

I saw that hit on youtube. IMO it was a dirty hit. The victim didn't have the puck, nor was he even near it. He was hit from behind. The angle Niklas Hjalmarsson may not have a history of this kind of play but it was pretty bad.

You are listening too hard to the "homer" Buffalo announcer, Mike...Nik arrived right as the puck arrived to Pomminville's feet. Unfortunate, yes, but dirty....no way. If you call that hit dirty, then Kronwall's hit on Havlat a couple seasons ago was criminal.

[Eleven]

'victim'....'criminal'....


Comon guys, this is Hockey, not the NBA.

:=:

[Prefy]

You are listening too hard to the "homer" Buffalo announcer, Mike...Nik arrived right as the puck arrived to Pomminville's feet. Unfortunate, yes, but dirty....no way. If you call that hit dirty, then Kronwall's hit on Havlat a couple seasons ago was criminal.

There was no doubt it was a dirty hit. The puck was there but it was clearly, a board and a hit from behind. Right after I saw the hit I said 2 games(and so did a couple IceHogs that I was sitting with), which is what he deserved and what he got.

The problem with hockey suspensions and the NHL is that consitency is not one of their strong points at least as of late. It would be interesting to sit in on one of these disciplinary hearings at some point to see hwo things go down. Maybe I will be able to do that one day:)

[357]

You are listening too hard to the "homer" Buffalo announcer, Mike...Nik arrived right as the puck arrived to Pomminville's feet. Unfortunate, yes, but dirty....no way. If you call that hit dirty, then Kronwall's hit on Havlat a couple seasons ago was criminal.

Upon a closer look the puck was at his feet. It was passed to Pominville and Hjalmarsson got there pretty much right as the puck did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-4aH7nnPjc

Hjalmarsson did hit him from behind, not directly behind, more of a 45 degree angle from behind and to the side. Hjalmarsson hit Pominville where Pominville could not have been expected to see him coming.

Havlat was circling. He was skating forward, facing Kronwall when he was hit; both his body and his head. Havlat was skating, turned his head to find the puck to his right as he circled left, it went between his legs as he straightened out along the boards, so he looked down to find it, and then looked up just as Kronwall was about to hit him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KJm-qcnnC0

And, his feet were on the ice when contact was made...
http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/05/zapruder.jpg


That said I don't think Hjalmarsson was trying to hurt him. He just took a bad angle on a well timed hit.

[icehog3]

There was no doubt it was a dirty hit.

We will have to agree to disagree, Matt.

Upon a closer look the puck was at his feet. It was passed to Pominville and Hjalmarsson got there pretty much right as the puck did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-4aH7nnPjc

Hjalmarsson did hit him from behind, not directly behind, more of a 45 degree angle from behind and to the side. Hjalmarsson hit Pominville where Pominville could not have been expected to see him coming.

Havlat was circling. He was skating forward, facing Kronwall when he was hit; both his body and his head. Havlat was skating, turned his head to find the puck to his right as he circled left, it went between his legs as he straightened out along the boards, so he looked down to find it, and then looked up just as Kronwall was about to hit him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KJm-qcnnC0

And, his feet were on the ice when contact was made...
http://blog.mlive.com/snapshots/2009/05/zapruder.jpg


That said I don't think Hjalmarsson was trying to hurt him. He just took a bad angle on a well timed hit.

I know the Kronwall hit wasn't dirty and was from the front, I was exaggerating to make my point, Mike, but you are right on all counts on that one. I agree that Nik wasn't trying to hurt P'ville and it was an unfortunate result.

[Ahbroody]

Luls. I still say there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll.

[Prefy]

We will have to agree to disagree, Matt.



I know the Kronwall hit wasn't dirty and was from the front, I was exaggerating to make my point, Mike, but you are right on all counts on that one. I agree that Nik wasn't trying to hurt P'ville and it was an unfortunate result.

Just to confirm...

If you or one of the blawkhawks players was hit like that you would consider it clean?

[icehog3]

Just to confirm...

If you or one of the blawkhawks players was hit like that you would consider it clean?

I am not disputing that it was an illegal hit, Matt...I take issue with calling it "dirty", as I don't believe Nik intended to hit him from the side like that. :2

[hammer26a]

Clean hit, but yes unfortunate results. I have to say though that I miss the days of Vladimir Konstantinov... that guy could destroy some dudes on the ice