iphone 4 just announced.

[newcigarz]

Follow WWDC live here,


http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/?sort=newest&refresh=60

[Wanger]

...and i wanted one BEFORE seeing that. LOL

[newcigarz]

specs are amazing

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-193-rm-eng.jpg

[JE3146]

Glass front and back? What genius thought that up. One drop and done.

[Wanger]

Glass front and back? What genius thought that up. One drop and done.

Then don't drop it, butterfingers. :p

[newcigarz]

new camera , also records HD video.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-242-rm-eng.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-248-rm-eng.jpg

[shilala]

Someone get me one of these real quick, okay? ;)
I'll check the whole rollout later. I'll be happy with the new OS for my iPhone and iPad. I desperately want multitasking.
I honestly don't want to take video of pics with my phone. I enjoy a lot more quality tan they can deliver. I do love the way Apple is going, though. :tu

[JE3146]

Enjoy iAd....

[J0eybb]

how do you get rid of Iaids?

[newcigarz]

Enjoy iAd....

seems pretty unobtrusive to me.


video calling. WiFi only in 2010

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-360-rm-eng.jpg

[Blueface]

Can't wait to upgrade my 3G.
I can do it in October but I hear they are letting you do it sooner to sell new units.
As soon as available, I am there.

[newcigarz]

Can't wait to upgrade my 3G.
I can do it in October but I hear they are letting you do it sooner to sell new units.
As soon as available, I am there.


yes Carlos, this is what I saw.

http://g.media.macrumorslive.com/m/article/2010/06/07/004607-eligibility.jpg


just announced.

AT&T is going to make an incredibly generous upgrade offer. If your contract expires at any time in 2010, you can upgrade to the iPhone 4. You can get it up to six months early."

[Blueface]

yes Carlos, this is what I saw.

http://g.media.macrumorslive.com/m/article/2010/06/07/004607-eligibility.jpg


just announced.

AT&T is going to make an incredibly generous upgrade offer. If your contract expires at any time in 2010, you can upgrade to the iPhone 4. You can get it up to six months early."

Being the toy freak I am, $18 is a steal over having to wait 4 months.:r

[newcigarz]

Jun 24th

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-395-rm-eng.jpg


preorders start June 15th

[mmblz]

how do you get rid of Iaids?

as far as i can tell - just don't use apps that have ads.
ads are added by the developer of the app - not by the iphone...

[Blueface]

Jun 24th

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-395-rm-eng.jpg


preorders start June 15th

Will bring it to our next herf.:tu
16GB is good enough for me.

[newcigarz]

Will bring it to our next herf.:tu
16GB is good enough for me.

til you start shooting HD video of your grandson. ;)

[newcigarz]

as far as i can tell - just don't use apps that have ads.
ads are added by the developer of the app - not by the iphone...

also they can be x'ed out of at anytime

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-328-rm-eng.jpg

[The Professor]

Glass front and back? What genius thought that up. One drop and done.
"We developed a glass that's 30 times harder than plastic."

[newcigarz]

Glass front and back? What genius thought that up. One drop and done.


"We developed a glass that's 30 times harder than plastic."

OH that genius :r:r:r

[The Professor]

OH that genius :r:r:r
:r

This phone may just be cool enough to get me to go back to ATT. Wow.

[sikk50]

I wish there was more memory though. I've got over 100gigs of music. I stopped using my iPod when I bought my 3G (day after they were released, upgrade time!) but having to change my music around all the time is tiresome

[newcigarz]

Officially up on Apple's website now.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

[CigarNut]

I thought that it was intersting that no other carriers or platforms for other carriers were even hinted at... I would have figured that if Apple was going to do something with another carrier this would have been the place to announce it...

[Blueface]

OH that genius :r:r:r

The same genius that was told his iPad is useless and has sold how many in two months?:r

[JE3146]

"We developed a glass that's 30 times harder than plastic."

For the record, that statement was posted long after I made my comment ;)

[The Professor]

I thought that it was intersting that no other carriers or platforms for other carriers were even hinted at... I would have figured that if Apple was going to do something with another carrier this would have been the place to announce it...
Yeah ... but that's not how Apple operates. I don't think another carrier is in the foreseeable future. I'd be surprised if it was announced in time for the holiday season in November. I think it's more likely to come in 2011 or even later.

[T.G]

"We developed a glass that's 30 times harder than plastic."

I'll believe that once I've gone to an AT&T store and it doesn't break when I accidentally drop one and then accidentally step on it before picking it up.

[JE3146]

The same genius that was told his iPad is useless and has sold how many in two months?:r

So you really think Steve Jobs is the 'genius' that invented this special glass?

Is that the way I'm reading this?

[JE3146]

Yeah ... but that's not how Apple operates. I don't think another carrier is in the foreseeable future. I'd be surprised if it was announced in time for the holiday season in November. I think it's more likely to come in 2011 or even later.

2011-2012 is a more realistic expectation with the standardization of LTE.

[smitdavi]

I know both Katie and I will be getting one. Pretty sweet imo

[MiamiE]

Count me in.

[mithrilG60]

Glass front and back? What genius thought that up. One drop and done.

Actually the glass used in iPhone's (not just the 4th gen just announced) is amazingly tough and almost impossible to scratch. The only way they break is if you drop the phone and it lands directly on a corner concentrating the entire force in a very small area. I'll be intrigued to see if the new "30x stronger than plastic" glass they've developed for this phone will withstand those kind of impacts better than previous gen's.

[JE3146]

Actually the glass used in iPhone's (not just the 4th gen just announced) is amazingly tough and almost impossible to scratch. The only way they break is if you drop the phone and it lands directly on a corner concentrating the entire force in a very small area. I'll be intrigued to see if the new "30x stronger than plastic" glass they've developed for this phone will withstand those kind of impacts better than previous gen's.

I've seen a couple people I know with chipped glass on the front edges of their iPhone, which is why it concerned me. Didn't affect functionality, just looked atrocious.

[newcigarz]

So you really think Steve Jobs is the 'genius' that invented this special glass?

Is that the way I'm reading this?

We get it, you don't care for the iphone, AT&T, Steve Jobs, or all of them put together. Plenty of options out there for you. :2

I started this thread becuase I knew there were plenty of people excited about the new iphone.

[newcigarz]

For the record, that statement was posted long after I made my comment ;)

And that makes your comment valid how? :confused:

[aich75013]

I've seen a couple people I know with chipped glass on the front edges of their iPhone, which is why it concerned me. Didn't affect functionality, just looked atrocious.

I've seen a Blackberry and an Android phone with cracked screens as well.

[s0leful0ne]

And that makes your comment valid how? :confused:

I dont think it was meant to validate his comment it was meant to save face :)

I really want this phone, but I dont want an AT&T plan especially with their new policy on internet usage. Tethering was a dealbreaker for me the last time I shopped an iphone, and with the ubiquity of wi-fi in public places, the new rates don't appeal to me.

It doesnt look like any other carriers are gonna show up on the iphone anytime soon. AT&T is doing alot of backscratching for apple with the iPad so in return the iPhone is going to stay exclusive.

[newcigarz]

I've seen a Blackberry and an Android phone with cracked screens as well.

Yes, it happens.

This is the iphone that the new iphone 4 will be replacing. It is an original Edge iphone purchased the 2nd day they were available. never had a single day of trouble and never broke the glass.

http://www.fototime.com/D6B3FFDB12D855D/standard.jpg

[mithrilG60]

I've seen a couple people I know with chipped glass on the front edges of their iPhone, which is why it concerned me. Didn't affect functionality, just looked atrocious.

Those are from dropping it on the edges, it applies much more force to a smaller area. I've had friends that were unlucky enough to drop theirs right on the corner and completely spiderweb the screen and it's still been completely usable. I've also seen Blackberry's, including most of the work units at my office, that have stood up far worst to much less abuse and look like total ass within 6 months of being issued.

It's all in how well you take care of your stuff. If you were one of the kids on teh playground that was always abusing their toys and breaking them then any smartphone is probably not the best purchase decision. If you're careful with it, especially if you buy a case, your iPhone will look exactly the same in a couple years as it does the day it comes out of the box.

[JE3146]

And that makes your comment valid how? :confused:

Oh jee, I donno :rolleyes:

http://googleg.info/Image/broken-iphone.jpg

I'd say my original concern was pretty darn valid. And then later in the presentation they clarified. Glad you all can feel high and mighty over it at my expense.

[MiamiE]

I've seen Tony's phone on the floor squirming like a fish out of water. Thing is made of Ti. :r

[newcigarz]

Oh jee, I donno :rolleyes:


I'd say my original concern was pretty darn valid. And then later in the presentation they clarified. Glad you all can feel high and mighty over it at my expense.

My point was that you immediately questioned the integrity of a dual sided glass phone before your even knew how they were doing it.
I personally thought apple would use wax paper and rubber bands rather that the latest technology available. :rolleyes:

[JE3146]

We get it, you don't care for the iphone, AT&T, Steve Jobs, or all of them put together. Plenty of options out there for you. :2

I started this thread becuase I knew there were plenty of people excited about the new iphone.

I own a Macbook pro and an iPod. ;)

What I don't care for are the people who bath in steve job's sweat.

If a product has flaws, I'm gonna question it. Just like any other device on the market. People get too hyped up over Apple to see things clearly.

As for AT&T, not too thrilled with them, and I used to be a customer. Never more.

[JE3146]

My point was that you immediately questioned the integrity of a dual sided glass phone before your even knew how they were doing it.
I personally thought apple would use wax paper and rubber bands rather that the latest technology available. :rolleyes:

The slideshow is play by play. Everyone else got caught up in it before the end, how is what I said any different?

Actually it was different. I was questioning a design choice instead of applauding it.

[newcigarz]

What I don't care for are the people who bath in steve job's sweat.

Yep that's me.

If a product has flaws, I'm gonna question it. Just like any other device on the market. People get too hyped up over Apple to see things clearly.

Interesting that you know it has flaws even before it comes out. I on the other having enjoyed Apple products for the last decade and a half, will anticipate it's greatness.

As for AT&T, not too thrilled with them, and I used to be a customer. Never more.

Kinda partial to AT&T also, puts food on the table in my house.

[JE3146]

Yep that's me.



Interesting that you know it has flaws even before it comes out. I on the other having enjoyed Apple products for the last decade and a half, will anticipate it's greatness.



Kinda partial to AT&T also, puts food on the table in my house.

Interesting how you know it's going to be a success before it comes out.. :rolleyes:

See the pic above. I'll hang on to my judgement until proven wrong.

[newcigarz]

T. I was questioning a design choice instead of applauding it.

Glass front and back? What genius thought that up. One drop and done.

That is really stretching what you said.

I on the other hand saw glass front and back and thought. Man someone at Apple must have thought up some cool sh*t to be able to pull that one off.

[sikk50]

I hope the glass really is better. I bought my 3g the day or two after they were released. I'm on my 4th one. One broken sim card read and two cracked screens. I've been lucky and only had to pay to replace one as the guy made a mistake on the second replacement procedure. But I gotta admitt $200 replacement fee really cuts into my cigar and Keystone budget

[newcigarz]

Interesting how you know it's going to be a success before it comes out.. :rolleyes:

See the pic above. I'll hang on to my judgement until proven wrong.


It will be, Apple is going to sell a ton of them.

[newcigarz]

Interesting how you know it's going to be a success before it comes out.. :rolleyes:

See the pic above. I'll hang on to my judgement until proven wrong.

is that a pic of your phone? or did you google cracked iphone pic?

My pic is of my phone, a phone that people at a herf on Saturday saw me drop and it is still fine.

[JE3146]

Those are from dropping it on the edges, it applies much more force to a smaller area. I've had friends that were unlucky enough to drop theirs right on the corner and completely spiderweb the screen and it's still been completely usable. I've also seen Blackberry's, including most of the work units at my office, that have stood up far worst to much less abuse and look like total ass within 6 months of being issued.

It's all in how well you take care of your stuff. If you were one of the kids on teh playground that was always abusing their toys and breaking them then any smartphone is probably not the best purchase decision. If you're careful with it, especially if you buy a case, your iPhone will look exactly the same in a couple years as it does the day it comes out of the box.

Obviously it's about how you take care of your stuff, but accidents do happen. My phone has survived 2 drops. With the new no cell phone laws forcing me to use hands free speaker phone while driving, when the law first came out, I forgot a couple times I had the phone on my lap when I hopped out of my car.

You just hope that when you go to pick up your phone after feeling like the dumbest person on Earth that it's still in one piece. :D

[JE3146]

It will be, Apple is going to sell a ton of them.

I don't count that as a success in my eyes. But then again I'm not a marketing major.

I look at things differently. One of which being design choices.

If they're good choices and the product is well received with nearly no complaints. That's a success.

[JE3146]

is that a pic of your phone? or did you google cracked iphone pic?

My pic is of my phone, a phone that people at a herf on Saturday saw me drop and it is still fine.

Merely highlighting a picture representing that which I have seen on more than one occasion, albeit not as extreme. But then again your antagonism towards my comments called for something a bit extreme.

[mithrilG60]

Interesting how you know it's going to be a success before it comes out.. :rolleyes:

Whether or not it's going to be a success is not really a debateable issue, it's going to sell like hotcakes..... we all know that. Whether it deserves that success is what only time will tell.

See the pic above. I'll hang on to my judgement until proven wrong.

I've seen Zune's, iPhone's, iPod's, Blackberry's, Droid's, Creative River's, etc. that look exactly like the picture you posted. All that pic proves is that if you give people stuff, especially portable electronics, and they'll find a way to break it.

How many tens of millions of iPhone's and iTouch's have been sold in the last 3 years? What percentage of those sold have broken their screens? I'm guessing the failure rate is pretty damn small given that if it wasn't the media and anti-fanboi's would have jumped all over it. Considering the fact that the glass screens have already proven themselves to be far far tougher than you'd ever think possible I think you're making rather a large mountain out of a very small molehill.

NO device manufacturer warranty's their screens simply because, as a result of the amount of abuse the device receives from most users, that is going to be the biggest single point of failure in the device. If that's a issue for you don't buy a smartphone. Condemning a new device that isn't even on the market yet simply because you feel the decision to use dual-glass is stupid is ludicrous. It's doubly so considering the fact that Apple's handheld glass screen's have been some of the toughest on the market for years.

[newcigarz]

I don't count that as a success in my eyes. But then again I'm not a marketing major.

I look at things differently. One of which being design choices.

If they're good choices and the product is well received with nearly no complaints. That's a success.

Again with my clouded judgement, I see one of the most technologically advance pieces of mobile communication ever to come to market. I will gladly punk down my money and drink the kool-aid.

[JE3146]

Whether or not it's going to be a success is not really a debateable issue, it's going to sell like hotcakes..... we all know that. Whether it deserves that success is what only time will tell.



I've seen Zune's, iPhone's, iPod's, Blackberry's, Droid's, Creative River's, etc. that look exactly like the picture you posted. All that pic proves is that if you give people stuff, especially portable electronics, and they'll find a way to break it.

How many tens of millions of iPhone's and iTouch's have been sold in the last 3 years? What percentage of those sold have broken their screens? I'm guessing the failure rate is pretty damn small given that if it wasn't the media and anti-fanboi's would have jumped all over it. Considering the fact that the glass screens have already proven themselves to be far far tougher than you'd ever think possible I think you're making rather a large mountain out of a very small molehill.

NO device manufacturer warranty's their screens simply because, as a result of the amount of abuse the device receives from most users, that is going to be the biggest single point of failure in the device. If that's a issue for you don't buy a smartphone. Condemning a new device that isn't even on the market yet simply because you feel the decision to use dual-glass is stupid is ludicrous. It's doubly so considering the fact that Apple's handheld glass screen's have been some of the toughest on the market for years.


When you drop a device there typically always exists a proportion of surface area that withstands impact better than others. The ratio of those proportions typically determines (amongst other factors like height, angle, etc) whether or not the device will survive cosmetically.

When you increase the surface area of a compound that (could) break more easily. It makes me question it.

That's all I'm getting at.

Read above to the accidents do happen post. I fully understand what you're getting at.

You know damn well there will be people who question it's durability and will perform drop tests.

I'll just simply wait for those tests. (which won't matter really until Apple goes Verizon, which see my LTE post a page or so ago. I assume they'll make the transition then.)

As you've put, apple does make great products. Which is why I own them. I do not rush out, stand in line, and purchase day 1, a product which has no prior review or testimonies to backup the quality that they (the maker) claims it has. I don't see why that's such an issue?

[newcigarz]

But then again your antagonism towards my comments called for something a bit extreme.

Yep, all my fault. You are right. Steve jobs is the devil. the Apple iphone will crack if you look at it wrong. And you couldn't make a call on AT& T's network if your life depended on it.

Congrats you have changed all our minds.

Please move on nothing to see here. :tu

[Blueface]

Yes, it happens.

This is the iphone that the new iphone 4 will be replacing. It is an original Edge iphone purchased the 2nd day they were available. never had a single day of trouble and never broke the glass.

http://www.fototime.com/D6B3FFDB12D855D/standard.jpg

Tony,
You are in fact a testament to the durability of this phone.
You have used it for quite some time and it shows its wear on the cover but the glass is intact indeed.

I have dropped mine many, many times now. Furthermore, my grandson has dropped it twice as much as I have. My floor in my home where it has usually landed is tiles. When it has landed on tiles, it has landed on a driveway or patio. Granted, no damage in terms of scratches on case due to the Incipio cover but the exposed glass has never chipped or cracked to date.

I can only imagine the abuse it took with folks that have cracked them or the oddity of a complete freak chance as mine has been tough for two years now. I think the Incipio type case is well worth it also and doesn't add bulk at all that is noticeable.

[JE3146]

Again with my clouded judgement, I see one of the most technologically advance pieces of mobile communication ever to come to market. I will gladly punk down my money and drink the kool-aid.

The irony... ;)

[T.G]

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=483&pictureid=4250

[newcigarz]

The irony... ;)

What is ironic? I have said from the beginning. If Apple makes it I will buy it.
I don't care if it sucks.
Haters hate.

[Blueface]

So you really think Steve Jobs is the 'genius' that invented this special glass?

Is that the way I'm reading this?

Of course not but he is the man behind producing it for his product.

Oh jee, I donno :rolleyes:

http://googleg.info/Image/broken-iphone.jpg

I'd say my original concern was pretty darn valid. And then later in the presentation they clarified. Glad you all can feel high and mighty over it at my expense.

Is that your phone?
Anything is possible but that phone looks like it got impacted quite unusually hard with a direct blow to it, almost as if with a hammer.

I can't speak for the one you chose to post.
I can only speak for mine dropped over and over again, tested repeatedly by a 3 year old and not a scratch.

[Kreth]

Burn him! Burn the heretic!



:r
Posted via Mobile Device

[JE3146]

Of course not but he is the man behind producing it for his product.



Is that your phone?
Anything is possible but that phone looks like it got impacted quite unusually hard with a direct blow to it, almost as if with a hammer.

I can't speak for the one you chose to post.
I can only speak for mine dropped over and over again, tested repeatedly by a 3 year old and not a scratch.

Read above, I explained it there :)


I was merely highlighting your post because it in a way dismissed the achievements of those who actually designed the features for this phone (which I will admit is impressive).

So often people think Steve Jobs is the gift from God, when he merely signs the paychecks for those that put him in his spotlight.

[Blueface]

What is ironic? I have said from the beginning. If Apple makes it I will buy it.
I don't care if it sucks.
Haters hate.

Tony,
All I can assume is I hang out with the wrong crowd.
No matter where I travel to in this country, whenever I get together in a crowd of folks, 9 out of 10 have an iPhone.
That was the case the other day at Doug's. That was the case yesterday in Miami at a very large party at my wife's cousin's place. That was the case at James (Croatan's) place not too long ago in Ft. Worth and on and on.

There are a bunch of us Steve Jobs followers. Man I love that flute he plays.:r

[Blueface]

So often people think Steve Jobs is the gift from God, when he merely signs the paychecks for those that put him in his spotlight.

:r

I would hope none of the folks I know think that.
I personally do think he is quite a smart innovator and marketer.
That has been proven by his success where so many have failed.
Think about all the computer giants gone under that could not compete against Microsoft for software and IBM for hardware. He is still there and doing awfully well and no doubt his products are unique, regardless of who makes them for him in actuality.

[Smokin Gator]

All I can say is on June 15 I order my first iPhone and I couldn't be more excited about a phone.

[Blueface]

All I can say is on June 15 I order my first iPhone and I couldn't be more excited about a phone.

:tpd:

I called the wife and broke the news to her.
Told her no nails and hair that week as I need the cash instead.:r

[newcigarz]

All I can say is on June 15 I order my first iPhone and I couldn't be more excited about a phone.

What! Don't you want years of real world experience and testing before you so blindly hand your money over to Steve Jobs! :r

[JE3146]

What! Don't you want years of real world experience and testing before you so blindly hand your money over to Steve Jobs! :r

Really...? :rolleyes:

Glad you can keep things civil.

[sikk50]

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk215/sikk50/3f06a7ff.jpg

[newcigarz]

Really...? :rolleyes:

Glad you can keep things civil.

I'm not the one who came into your thread and peed on your parade. :2

[newcigarz]

Engadget's first look

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/iphone-4-first-hands-on/

[s0leful0ne]

its hot in here...

long read but insightful : http://gizmodo.com/5555953/fanboyism-and-brand-loyalty

Also, I'm fairly certain theres a threshold to a degree of durability to a product. Every company (not just Apple) does the best it can to spend the least amount of money on a product while selling it for the most profit.

[mithrilG60]

All I can say is on June 15 I order my first iPhone and I couldn't be more excited about a phone.

I'm looking forward to June 21st myself. Having just gotten my 3Gs a couple months back I find the upgrade to an iPhone 4 will be pretty unlikely…… but I'm really looking forward to some of the features in OS 4 ;)

[poker]

As far as durability, I admit the iPhone is pretty good. I have had the original, and the 3G.

Dont get me wrong, the glass can break, and it does not require a bad impact either. I had mine in my back pocket one day and sat on a bench on my back patio. Caught the edge of the face of the phone and thats all she wrote. The picture of the shattered glass in the pic above looks mild compared to mine.

The good news is that shattered LCD's and digitizer glass on most all iPhones can all be replaced/repaired.


With that said, I'll be getting the 4 when its released.

[JE3146]

I'm not the one who came into your thread and peed on your parade. :2

PM sent.

[Blueface]

As far as durability, I admit the iPhone is pretty good. I have had the original, and the 3G.

Dont get me wrong, the glass can break, and it does not require a bad impact either. I had mine in my back pocket one day and sat on a bench on my back patio. Caught the edge of the face of the phone and thats all she wrote. The picture of the shattered glass in the pic above looks mild compared to mine.

The good news is that shattered LCD's and digitizer glass on most all iPhones can all be replaced/repaired.


With that said, I'll be getting the 4 when its released.

Kelly,
You just reminded me of a funny story in my life.
I am a gadget freak and when cell phones came out, I had one of the first ones in the car, then the portable briefcase, then that Motorola brick and then things got sweet as technology went, we got the Motorola Flip Phone in our lives.

I had every generation of the Flip Phone but the first one is the one you reminded me of. I walked into the AT&T store with the phone in about 25 pieces and dropped it on the counter and told them the phone stunk. It just fell apart from normal use. The jerk that was with me then started laughing and then the employee realized I was just kidding. I actually dropped the phone on the ground, it survived that impact but apparently it was poorly made as it didn't tolerate the tires going over it as I backed up my car.:r:r:r

[newcigarz]

PM sent.

PM returned.

Now back to the iphone.

I know Carlos said 16G for him. I never thought I would need more, but I am seriously considering the 32G.

[JE3146]

PM returned.

Glad to see a person can be judged by their opinion of Apple.

Shows a lot about a person.

[newcigarz]

Glad to see a person can be judged by their opinion of Apple.

Shows a lot about a person.


Couldn't keep it to PM huh, shows alot about a hater. :td

[JE3146]

Couldn't keep it to PM huh, shows alot about a hater. :td

Hey just doing what you told me to do ;)

Wherever, whenever, whatever.

Enjoy.

[newcigarz]

Hey just doing what you told me to do ;)

Wherever, whenever, whatever.

Enjoy.


funny I can get you to do what I told you to do. :r

I must be channeling Steve Jobs now.

[JE3146]

funny I can get you to do what I told you to do. :r

I'm a brainwashed engineer. I'm good at being told what to do. It's what I do :r

And that power is given to the highest bidder. ;)

[newcigarz]

I'm a brainwashed engineer. I'm good at being told what to do. It's what I do :r

And that power is given to the highest bidder. ;)

Everyone has to be good as something. :tu

[Blueface]

PM returned.

Now back to the iphone.

I know Carlos said 16G for him. I never thought I would need more, but I am seriously considering the 32G.

I barely need 8 GB after two years.

[newcigarz]

I barely need 8 GB after two years.

I think that I would really utilize the HD video feature. I think that will chew up the memory.

[Blueface]

I think that I would really utilize the HD video feature. I think that will chew up the memory.

Tony,
Just think about how many GB most HD camcorders come with today.
Many of them are under 8 GB.
Take some videos, edit them, uploading them, erase them, you are then ready for more. Why pay $100 extra? Not like you have a newborn you will be shooting every minute. Do you and we don't know?:r

[newcigarz]

Not like you have a newborn you will be shooting every minute. Do you and we don't know?:r

Free Willy! :r


I guess you're right. MY thought is I probably won't upgrade for another 5 years or until Steve sells me something else. Whichever comes first.

[The Professor]

I'm starting to regret responding to this thread and having these updates appear in "My Replies." :rolleyes: Seriously ... can y'all just be done? Please?

The Apple page is quite interesting in terms of all the details of the technology. On the glass, their claim is that it's the "same kind of glass that's used on helicopters and high-speed trains." Sweet.

The Engadget initial impressions report is interesting ... and there's a collection of more reports up on the Macrumors.com page. Sounds like everyone is really blown away by the screen.

[T.G]

No SD or Micro-SD slot on the 4G either?

[JE3146]

No SD or Micro-SD slot on the 4G either?

Doubtful, would eliminate the need to spend more money (lots) on a device with a few bucks worth of added memory ;)

[newcigarz]

I'm starting to regret responding to this thread and having these updates appear in "My Replies." :rolleyes: Seriously ... can y'all just be done? Please?



Just for you Dokk. :rolleyes:

[Blueface]

Check this video out.
Supposedly the best display ever.Clicky (http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/07/apple-posts-iphone-4-feature-video/)

[The Professor]

Just for you Dokk. :rolleyes:
Yay. :) Now if we could just get Jordan to STFU about everything he hates about the iPhone. ;)

[JE3146]

Yay. :) Now if we could just get Jordan to STFU about everything he hates about the iPhone. ;)

Now why would I do that?

:D

The real question is which iPhone is less evil... The white one or the black one.

The answer is FALSE :D

[Blueface]

I wonder if the pre-order on 6/15 be available online also or just in the store?

[The Professor]

I think it's online, too, Carlos.

[The Professor]

Now why would I do that?

:D

The real question is which iPhone is less evil... The white one or the black one.

The answer is FALSE :D
http://scienceblogs.com/sunclipse/siwoti-cat.png

[JE3146]

I figure if I'm gonna be mocked for my statements, I might as well make statements worth mocking ;)

[newcigarz]

http://scienceblogs.com/sunclipse/siwoti-cat.png

:r:r:r

[JE3146]

http://scienceblogs.com/sunclipse/siwoti-cat.png

I wouldn't be caught dead on a Dell ;)

It'd be a macbook pro instead :D

[ScottishSmoker]

I figure if I'm gonna be mocked for my statements, I might as well make statements worth mocking ;)

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

[newcigarz]

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

oh well, here we go again. :bh

[Dooge]

saving up and buying one.

[The Professor]

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....
I guess you can only say things like that for so long. When Apple *does* start taking a bite out of the PC market and out of the enterprise phone market -- as it *has* -- then your objections kind of ring hollow. Apple has a pretty darned successful platform that a lot of people *like* because, well, it works and offers a pleasing experience. I think that's why more and more people are buying Apple products.

[The Professor]

oh well, here we go again. :bh
Word.

Maybe I should just be responding with total fanboyisms to counter the naysayers. :hm

[newcigarz]

Word.

Maybe I should just be responding with total fanboyisms to counter the naysayers. :hm

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/img/2008/01/apple-fanboy.jpg

[Blueface]

I am on Jordan's side in this entire debate...until Steve Jobs is dead and in the ground, I will never own another Apple product...the cult-like nature that their products have inspired are absolutely comical...its like thinking an Opus X is bar far the single greatest cigar in the world...because CigarAficianado said so...there are many reasons as to why Apple has no real chance at taking a bite out of the PC market and its applications....I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

Why can't people understand it is because we like their products. If we do, what is wrong with that? Can't it be like you like Mercedes and I like BMW and why should any of that be "comical"? Where on this thread does it say Steve Jobs is the best in the world as in your Opus X analogy?

oh well, here we go again. :bh

Won't end.

[T.G]

Doubtful, would eliminate the need to spend more money (lots) on a device with a few bucks worth of added memory ;)

I fully realize that, and depending on which side of the sales/marketing/engineering fence your views are on, one can see the lack of the upgrade slot as a good thing or a bad thing. Personally, I'm not thrilled with the possible lack of one.

I was wondering/asking if anyone had actually seen the full specs yet to confirm that it, like the 3G, was lacking the memory card slot.
(can't load Apple's website or engadget here - too painfull waiting for the pages to load via the remote)

[Dooge]

Why can't people understand it is because we like their products. If we do, what is wrong with that? Can't it be like you like Mercedes and I like BMW and why should any of that be "comical"? Where on this thread does it say Steve Jobs is the best in the world as in your Opus X analogy?



Won't end.

Agreed. People should just come to the conclusion that others do, in fact, like the devices. That's why they sell. I don't enjoy the fanboy conversations usually. Granted, SJ is a bit of a tit at times but makes some awesome devices.

[The Professor]

I fully realize that, and depending on which side of the sales/marketing/engineering fence your views are on, one can see the lack of the upgrade slot as a good thing or a bad thing. Personally, I'm not thrilled with the possible lack of one.

I was wondering/asking if anyone had actually seen the full specs yet to confirm that it, like the 3G, was lacking the memory card slot.
(can't load Apple's website or engadget here - too painfull waiting for the pages to load via the remote)
No memory card slot. Confirmed via the Tech Specs on Apple's page.

[Blueface]

No memory card slot. Confirmed via the Tech Specs on Apple's page.

Here is the tech page.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

[Blueface]

Hey Tony, how do I look?
I am getting dressed early for the June 15 pre-order.:r
I am a true Fan Boy.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/applefanboy.jpg

[Dooge]

Worlds. Best. Picture.

He has a banana in his groin area.

[T.G]

Thanks Dokk.

[JE3146]

Worlds. Best. Picture.

He has a banana in his groin area.

He's excited to see Steve Jobs...

[T.G]

He's excited to see Steve Jobs...

:r:r:r

[Blueface]

He's excited to see Steve Jobs...

Nope.

You can tell I am just excited about the thought of seeing him.
Had I truly seen him, it would have been over and that great outfit would have been stained.

[JE3146]

:r:r:r

Steve 'Jobs' isn't only his name, it also describes his skill set.

That's a lot to get excited over :D... apparently..

[JE3146]

Nope.

You can tell I am just excited about the thought of seeing him.
Had I truly seen him, it would have been over and that great outfit would have been stained.

:r

Maybe we should all invest in http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=KMB:US

Maker's of Kleenex

Prior to the release parties. :D

[newcigarz]

Maybe we should all just buy Apple stock instead.

Ahead of Steve Jobs' keynote address at the Worldwide Developers Conference, a BGC analyst initiates Apple [AAPL 250.94 -5.025 (-1.96%) ] Monday with a 'Buy' rating and a $350 price target.

[The Professor]

Maybe we should all just buy Apple stock instead.

Ahead of Steve Jobs' keynote address at the Worldwide Developers Conference, a BGC analyst initiates Apple [AAPL 250.94 -5.025 (-1.96%) ] Monday with a 'Buy' rating and a $350 price target.
If only I could travel back in time....

[T.G]

I was actually thinking more like stock in Orville Redenbacher products for the next one of these threads.

[Blueface]

If only I could travel back in time....

Man I have said that over and over again.
Just wait to you pass the age of 50 to see how many times it adds up.

[JE3146]

I was actually thinking more like stock in Orville Redenbacher products for the next one of these threads.

Solid investment :tu

[Blueface]

Not a bad gig.
To date, 50 million iPhones sold.
Compared to US population (while not valid as it is 50 million worldwide but just for the sake of conversation), that translates to 1 iPhone for every 6 Americans.
If that is not astonishing, what is?

Released just 3 years ago and a total of 50 million robotic fanboys and girls blindly following Steve Jobs like a Pied Piper. And then after taking the "love him 'cause he is God juice" that comes in the box with the phone, you actually believe it is a good product because you tell yourself so.

Frankly, heck, I am no longer a fan. I am now truly jealous I am not him.;)

[Blueface]

I was actually thinking more like stock in Orville Redenbacher products for the next one of these threads.

Solid investment :tu

Only if to be used on an Apple related thread.
After all, you wouldn't get to eat it if you intended to wait for some wonderful PC or Microsoft related news.:r

[JE3146]

Not a bad gig.
To date, 50 million iPhones sold.
Compared to US population (while not valid as it is 50 million worldwide but just for the sake of conversation), that translates to 1 iPhone for every 6 Americans.
If that is not astonishing, what is?

Released just 3 years ago and a total of 50 million robotic fanboys and girls blindly following Steve Jobs like a Pied Piper. And then after taking the "love him 'cause he is God juice" that comes in the box with the phone, you actually believe it is a good product because you tell yourself so.

Frankly, heck, I am no longer a fan. I am now truly jealous I am not him.;)

You're forgetting one key fact though.

50 million iPhones sold doesn't necessarily equate to 50 million currently in service ;)

Lots of people have upgraded to newer revisions.

[markem]

You're forgetting one key fact though.

50 million iPhones sold doesn't necessarily equate to 50 million currently in service ;)

Lots of people have upgraded to newer revisions.

As have nearly all purchasers of any cell phone that has multiple generations.

What's your point, Captain Obvious? :D

[Blueface]

You're forgetting one key fact though.

50 million iPhones sold doesn't necessarily equate to 50 million currently in service ;)

Lots of people have upgraded to newer revisions.

If I were Steve Jobs, I wouldn't give a rat's behind if they bought them as replacements or bought them to use them as suppositories and then show up in local ERs looking to have them removed.:r

50 million is still 50 million.

[JE3146]

As have nearly all purchasers of any cell phone that has multiple generations.

What's your point, Captain Obvious? :D

I give up :r















Actually no... I don't.... :D (sorry to get your hopes up)


He was comparing to 1 in 6 Americans thus generalizing a comparison between the amount of people walking around the US and the amount of iPhones in their hands (albeit he did clarify that the 50 mil is a worldwide tally)

Just thought it fair to point out that the number is skewed from that perspective :D

[Blueface]

I give up :r















Actually no... I don't.... :D (sorry to get your hopes up)


He was comparing to 1 in 6 Americans thus generalizing a comparison between the amount of people walking around the US and the amount of iPhones in their hands (albeit he did clarify that the 50 mil is a worldwide tally)

Just thought it fair to point out that the number is skewed from that perspective :D

I stand corrected.

300,000,000 Americans divided by 50,000,000 iPhones = the analogous equivalent of imagining having soled 1 phone for every 6 Americans.

OK,
More fun later.
Have to do some shopping with wife.
Much more painful to do than this.

[JE3146]

I stand corrected.

300,000,000 Americans divided by 50,000,000 iPhones = the analogous equivalent of imagining having soled 1 phone for every 6 Americans.

OK,
More fun later.
Have to do some shopping with wife.
Much more painful to do than this.

Hey we agree on something :tu

[markem]

He was comparing to 1 in 6 Americans thus generalizing a comparison between the amount of people walking around the US and the amount of iPhones in their hands (albeit he did clarify that the 50 mil is a worldwide tally)

Just thought it fair to point out that the number is skewed from that perspective :D

You should reread his statement. He was comparing the number SOLD with a population. His comparison holds, both in context and statistically. He didn't say that the number of UNIQUE PERSONS buying was 50M, just that 50M have been sold.

Don't go in to engineering, you'll get mauled at your first technical review. ;)

[T.G]

Only if to be used on an Apple related thread.
After all, you wouldn't get to eat it if you intended to wait for some wonderful PC or Microsoft related news.:r

Well, duh...

Dis an Apple product, Apple users typically go apeshit.

Dis an Intel or Microsoft product, Intel and Microsoft users tend to just shrug and go about their business.
(with the exception of gamers having an AMD vs Intel debate, oy vey...)

[cort]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn91/gwc4sc/NerdAlert.gif

[JE3146]

You should reread his statement. He was comparing the number SOLD with a population. His comparison holds, both in context and statistically. He didn't say that the number of UNIQUE PERSONS buying was 50M, just that 50M have been sold.

Don't go in to engineering, you'll get mauled at your first technical review. ;)

:r

Ahhh I miss you mark.

[JE3146]

Well, duh...

Dis an Apple product, Apple users typically go apeshit.

Dis an Intel or Microsoft product, Intel and Microsoft users tend to just shrug and go about their business.
(with the exception of gamers having an AMD vs Intel debate, oy vey...)

What's there to debate :D

[T.G]

What's there to debate :D

Beats the hell outta me what they're always arguing over, I'm not a gamer.

Last PC game I played was Quake back around 1996 or 1997 and that was on an UltraSPARC.

[markem]

Last PC game I played was Quake back around 1996 or 1997 and that was on an UltraSPARC.

is UltraSparc x86 or AMD?

j/k - a startup I worked for made the bipolar version of the UltraSparc

[newcigarz]

Hey Tony, how do I look?
I am getting dressed early for the June 15 pre-order.:r
I am a true Fan Boy.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/applefanboy.jpg


you look great, but I heard this is Apple's biggest fanboy.

[T.G]

is UltraSparc x86 or AMD?

j/k - a startup I worked for made the bipolar version of the UltraSparc

Kewl!

(better get this comment logged before Gary posts another nerd cartoon)

[cort]

Kewl!

(better get this comment logged before Gary posts another nerd cartoon)

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn91/gwc4sc/NerdAlert.gif

[T.G]

:r:r:r

[cort]

:r:r:r

I was really hoping for the fail sound.:r

[T.G]

I was really hoping for the fail sound.:r

http://failsound.com/

-(P

[cort]

http://failsound.com/

-(P

YES:wo

and of course I clicked it...AGAIN!

[Whee]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/postcount.gif

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/watching_a_movie.gif

[markem]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/postcount.gif

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/watching_a_movie.gif

:tpd: :=:

[T.G]

YES:wo

and of course I clicked it...AGAIN!

I'm thinking about making that link my .sig

[Whee]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/themot-deadhorse1.gif

[T.G]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/themot-deadhorse1.gif

Needs some appropriate background music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IU1bzZheWk

[Whee]

Needs some appropriate background music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IU1bzZheWk


:tu

[JE3146]

you look great, but I heard this is Apple's biggest fanboy.



What a class act you are for photochopping my wedding photo onto that.

:td

[sikk50]

Really guys?

[jaydub13]

I'll just simply wait for those tests. (which won't matter really until Apple goes Verizon, which see my LTE post a page or so ago. I assume they'll make the transition then.)

That's also a big "if" on Verizon getting the iPhone. AT&T has exclusivity til 2012, and let's not forget, Verizon had their chance first, and passed on it. PLUS, Verizon doesnt have the data capability in their network to handle the iPhone. iPhone users account for 58.5% of all data used by smartphones. Verizon would have to spend a TON of money developing their network for it to handle that(AT&T spends 19 BILLION annually on the network).

And I agree, the glass front and back make me nervous. BUT, I gotta say, it is one GD cool design feature, and I can't wait to get one in my hot little hands.

[JE3146]

That's also a big "if" on Verizon getting the iPhone. AT&T has exclusivity til 2012, and let's not forget, Verizon had their chance first, and passed on it. PLUS, Verizon doesnt have the data capability in their network to handle the iPhone. iPhone users account for 58.5% of all data used by smartphones. Verizon would have to spend a TON of money developing their network for it to handle that(AT&T spends 19 BILLION annually on the network).

And I agree, the glass front and back make me nervous. BUT, I gotta say, it is one GD cool design feature, and I can't wait to get one in my hot little hands.

I'm not gonna get into it, but if you research LTE, you'll find more what I'm talking about. Answers a few things you're talking about. Either way, I'll take a carrier I prefer over a phone any day of the week.

[mithrilG60]

I guess you can only say things like that for so long. When Apple *does* start taking a bite out of the PC market and out of the enterprise phone market -- as it *has* -- then your objections kind of ring hollow. Apple has a pretty darned successful platform that a lot of people *like* because, well, it works and offers a pleasing experience. I think that's why more and more people are buying Apple products.


PC market I can't see, Mac's are simply too expensive for most people to buy as the cheap commodity the average consumer expects a computer to be now. Mac's will always be a niche market primarily targeted at graphic and video industry professionals and urbanite wannabee's with too much money looking for the "in" fashion accessory.

iPhone on the other hand...... RIM better pull up their innovation panties and bring out something pretty damn phenomenal in the next 6 to 12 months if they want to remain competitive with iPhone and Droid. Both platforms are making serious in-roads into the enterprise market, primarily iPhone right now but Droid's coming up quickly. In the last survey I saw 7 of every 10 current Blackberry users are planning on dropping their BB in favour of either an iPhone or a Droid when their mobile contract is next up for renewal. Given that Blackberry has failed miserably to penetrate the consumer space it any large degree the writing is on the wall for them if they can't figure out how to protect their lock on the enterprise market...... and having 70% of their core user base wanting to jump ship is certainly NOT the way to achieve that.

I carry a BlackBerry...mainly for business uses...for instance, making phone calls and checking e-mail...not as a calorie calculator or a personal video game device....

Everyone else to RIM: the world moved on from the days when simple email and calendar were the "killer apps" in the handheld space a long long time ago. EVERYONE does that now, hell Palm did it before BB with the Palm 4 and look were they are now. With ActiveSync now being embedded in Exchange2007 RIM's big advantage pver iPhone and Droid (ie. BES) is gone, and BES was the one of the primary reasons for enterprise adopting BB in the first place. While there is an awful lot of really stupid and/or trivial apps published for the iPhone, most people do want a hell of a lot more out of their mobile devices than just email/calendar and frankly trying to do much more than email or calendar on a Blackberry makes smoking a Cremosa look enjoyable by comparison.

Innovate or die, that's the rule of tech and RIM is quickly becoming the next Palm.......

[newcigarz]

pretty good comparison chart done by PCWorld. hopefully we can stay on track today. :)

http://images.pcworld.com//news/graphics/198214-pcw2_main_chart_original.jpg

[longknocker]

Thanks, Tony!:):tu

[longknocker]

Those are from dropping it on the edges, it applies much more force to a smaller area. I've had friends that were unlucky enough to drop theirs right on the corner and completely spiderweb the screen and it's still been completely usable. I've also seen Blackberry's, including most of the work units at my office, that have stood up far worst to much less abuse and look like total ass within 6 months of being issued.

It's all in how well you take care of your stuff. If you were one of the kids on teh playground that was always abusing their toys and breaking them then any smartphone is probably not the best purchase decision. If you're careful with it, especially if you buy a case, your iPhone will look exactly the same in a couple years as it does the day it comes out of the box.

"Otter Box"! Virtually Indestructable!:tu

[The Professor]

PC market I can't see, Mac's are simply too expensive for most people to buy as the cheap commodity the average consumer expects a computer to be now. Mac's will always be a niche market primarily targeted at graphic and video industry professionals and urbanite wannabee's with too much money looking for the "in" fashion accessory.


Whether you see it or not, it's happening. It's exactly this attitude that hurting PC makers and Microsoft, for that matter. You're stuck with a *very* outdated view of Macs that simply doesn't fit the reality of the current situation. Furthermore, you're stuck with some bad math that doesn't really take software and user productivity into consideration. There's very good evidence out there to show that iPods and iPhones have become the Mac gateway drug: average people use them, like them, and then check out the computer and have the same experience. That's been the case for more than a dozen of my friends and, as of this new buying cycle, just about every colleague in my department (they're nearly all replacing their Dells with Macs ... and we are a Dell campus in significant ways).

Anyway, I don't even know why I feel compelled to rehash an argument that's been going on for a couple of decades and is totally outmoded. Some people just "can't see" ... but I think that's mainly because they refuse to open their eyes.

[Blueface]

PC market I can't see, Mac's are simply too expensive for most people to buy as the cheap commodity the average consumer expects a computer to be now. Mac's will always be a niche market primarily targeted at graphic and video industry professionals and urbanite wannabee's with too much money looking for the "in" fashion accessory.


Ignorance.
Not trying to be offensive at all so please don't anyone take it that way.
Just using the word as described in the dictionary - lack of knowledge.
I think it is ignorant to assume this.
I bought my MacBook because of ease of use, features, reliability, lack of viruses which I was tired of getting on my PC.
I have yet to pay it off over two years later (same as cash for 36 mths) so certainly had nothing to do with having too much money on my hands.
As far as an "urbanite" wanna be, by definition, since I actually live in a "city", I don't need to be a wannabe.
As far as fashion, yeah, guilty. I like being fashionable. I like toys. I like my BMW, my Rolex, and nice clothing. Doesn't make me a bad person or even a murderer.

Whether you see it or not, it's happening. It's exactly this attitude that hurting PC makers and Microsoft, for that matter. You're stuck with a *very* outdated view of Macs that simply doesn't fit the reality of the current situation. Furthermore, you're stuck with some bad math that doesn't really take software and user productivity into consideration. There's very good evidence out there to show that iPods and iPhones have become the Mac gateway drug: average people use them, like them, and then check out the computer and have the same experience. That's been the case for more than a dozen of my friends and, as of this new buying cycle, just about every colleague in my department (they're nearly all replacing their Dells with Macs ... and we are a Dell campus in significant ways).

Anyway, I don't even know why I feel compelled to rehash an argument that's been going on for a couple of decades and is totally outmoded. Some people just "can't see" ... but I think that's mainly because they refuse to open their eyes.

:tpd:

[Kreth]

Some people just "can't see" ... but I think that's mainly because they refuse to open their eyes.
Coming soon to a Starbucks near you:
Steve Jobs guide us. Steve Jobs teach us. Steve Jobs protect us. In your iLight we thrive. In your iMercy we are sheltered. In your iWisdom we are humbled. We live only to serve. Our iLives are yours.
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[Blueface]

Steve Jobs guide us. Steve Jobs teach us. Steve Jobs protect us. In your iLight we thrive. In your iMercy we are sheltered. In your iWisdom we are humbled. We live only to serve. Our iLives are yours.

I am always truly and genuinely fascinated by human behavior. Aside from being a frustrated attorney wanna be, I think I am frustrated shrink wanna be.

I truly can't comprehend what drives human behavior to feel compelled to criticize or attack what someone else likes if it does not conform with what one likes.

This Mac/PC debate is as silly as what topping is best on pizza. Who gives a rat's ass? It is what ever you feel like putting on it that you like.

My neighbor across the street lives in the same type of home I have, same street, same Boca Raton. I drive a BMW 330CI while he drives a 10 year old Toyota Corolla. Who is PC and who is Mac here? Who cares? It is all about what makes him happy and what makes me happy. I couldn't give a crap if he sells tickets to bang his wife.

If I enjoy Apple products, I am a brainless Steve Jobs follower? That crap is offensive and I truly think folks should sometimes shove their opinions where the sun doesn't shine when not asked.

[The Professor]

Coming soon to a Starbucks near you:

Posted via Mobile Device
Yeah yeah ... Jobs is a messianic figure. Again -- rehashed, old joke. I don't worship him. The company he's built and the vision he's offered, though, has fundamentally changed the world of computing and electronics more than once. The difference in today's world, however, is that *Apple* is actually benefiting from those advancements, unlike the old days when others (like Microsoft) would rip off the ideas and prosper at the expense of Apple.

[Kreth]

I truly can't comprehend what drives human behavior to feel compelled to criticize or attack what someone else likes if it does not conform with what one likes.
Just having a little fun with the pro-Apple attitude that the rest of us don't get it. Glad you felt the need to lash out, though...
...and I truly think folks should sometimes shove their opinions where the sun doesn't shine when not asked.
:rolleyes:
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[Blueface]

Just having a little fun with the pro-Apple attitude that the rest of us don't get it. Glad you felt the need to lash out, though...

:rolleyes:
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It wears thin after a while to basically be called a moron in so many words because of what your preferences are.
If I corner a rat, I can only expect he will attack to defend himself. I think if folks dish out insults, one can only expect some sort of retaliation at some point.

[poker]

ok ok enough of the crap throwing. If you like Apple products, buy them. If you dont, move along.

[newcigarz]

ok ok enough of the crap throwing. If you like Apple products, buy them. If you dont, move along.

words of wisdom. :)

[newcigarz]

I really can not wait to get one in my hands. that screen is going to be incredible. :banger

[Wanger]

My neighbor across the street lives in the same type of home I have, same street, same Boca Raton. I drive a BMW 330CI while he drives a 10 year old Toyota Corolla. Who is PC and who is Mac here? Who cares? It is all about what makes him happy and what makes me happy. I couldn't give a crap if he sells tickets to bang his wife.


Is she hot? :D

[Blueface]

Is she hot? :D

So, so.
Tickets will definitely be reasonably priced.:D

[Blueface]

I really can not wait to get one in my hands. that screen is going to be incredible. :banger

6/15 is on my calendar with an appointment to visit the Town Center Mall.

[newcigarz]

6/15 is on my calendar with an appointment to visit the Town Center Mall.

We should schedule some "Facetime". :D

[Blueface]

We should schedule some "Facetime". :D

Oh crap!!!

Tony,
Totally forgot.
Will be in Long Island the week of 6/14 on business.
Will have to pre-order online, unless there is an Apple store near my hotel out there.

[The Professor]

We should schedule some "Facetime". :D
Can I schedule some when I get my first ever iPhone? :)

I've got the DrMS talked into it. The only question is *when* we're gonna do it. End of the month (26th) is the earliest possible given the ETF we'll have to eat for her line.

[Blueface]

Can I schedule some when I get my first ever iPhone? :)

I've got the DrMS talked into it. The only question is *when* we're gonna do it. End of the month (26th) is the earliest possible given the ETF we'll have to eat for her line.

Funny you say that.
My wife normally just wants an old fashioned cell phone (flip phone if possible) and nothing else and is now intrigued by this feature.
She may not settle for my 3G hand me down and may want one of her own from the sounds of it.

[floydpink]

I'm real happy with my 3G Iphone, but being the slave to technology that I am, will get the new one and hand down my 3G to my wife.

[poker]

I'm real happy with my 3G Iphone, but being the slave to technology that I am, will get the new one and hand down my 3G to my wife.

Lucky you. My wife and I both have the 3G and when I told her I was getting the new one & she saw what features it had, she wants one too. :r

[replicant_argent]

I would look into one, but A: I have T-mobile, which is fairly decent, overall. and B: I have a pretty damn good plan with them unlimited on my Mytouch. Wife has a BB, can't stand the interface.

[Sawyer]

Lucky that you guys get to upgrade soon. Since I am an employee of AT&T, we are forced to wait until there is a surplus of phones available. I hope that will be before Thanksgiving, but if it isn't then I can only hope to get one sometime after the first of the year. If it does take that long I will probably go ahead and shell out the full no-commitment price.

I also have a Blackberry Curve for work and it is the bane of my existence. I hate that phone.

As much as I love my iPhone, you will never catch me buying a Mac. I can do so much more with a Windows based PC/laptop for a fraction of the cost. I do suggest them for my less tech savvy friends though that just need something that is easy to use. Most of them don't want to pay two times or more for the same things they can do with cheap Windows based laptop though. I am not really on either side of that debate. If you can afford a Mac and like the ease of use, go for it.

[ir13]

Will be pre ordering on the 15th and returning the 3GS i just got so i could get "Grandfathered" in with the unlimited data plan.

:wo

[CigarNut]

Lucky you. My wife and I both have the 3G and when I told her I was getting the new one & she saw what features it had, she wants one too. :rI am elegible for an upgrade this year and my wife is not eligible until middle of 2011. She has made it clear that when I upgrade she will get her upgrade too :)

So either I am going to wait an additional 6 months, or it's going to cost me...

[floydpink]

I still can't figure out what new feature it is that makes the 4G a must have, but still seem anxious to get it.

[The Professor]

I still can't figure out what new feature it is that makes the 4G a must have, but still seem anxious to get it.
I think the screen. That's an *amazing* screen.

[Blueface]

I still can't figure out what new feature it is that makes the 4G a must have, but still seem anxious to get it.

Pete,
I have the 3G, not the GS.
For me, it represents 2 upgrades and full features of the new OS.
Not all features of new OS will apply to the 3G.
It also means a great new screen, apps by folders for cleaner look and that video calling is awfully neat to mess with.

[floydpink]

I'm in the same boat Carlos.
Paid the early termination to get the Iphone instead of the old simple one I had, passed on the S because not too much changed that meant anything to me.
The time might be right to upgrade, but just know in 6 months, the 4gs will be all the rage and I will be a year and a half away from an upgrade.

Stop the madness!!!!

[Blueface]

I'm in the same boat Carlos.
Paid the early termination to get the Iphone instead of the old simple one I had, passed on the S because not too much changed that meant anything to me.
The time might be right to upgrade, but just know in 6 months, the 4gs will be all the rage and I will be a year and a half away from an upgrade.

Stop the madness!!!!

:r

I figure the 4GS is about a year or so away.

Hey,
They said yesterday in the news that ANYONE that has a contract renewal due ANYTIME this year, is now eligible for an immediate upgrade to the 4G.

[Blueface]

Will be pre ordering on the 15th and returning the 3GS i just got so i could get "Grandfathered" in with the unlimited data plan.

:wo

:tu

Very wise man.

[ir13]

I still can't figure out what new feature it is that makes the 4G a must have, but still seem anxious to get it.

The New Screen
720p HD Video
Multitasking


Thats enough for me :D

[Sawyer]

I still can't figure out what new feature it is that makes the 4G a must have, but still seem anxious to get it.

Just so people don't get confused, it is not 4G. The iPhone 4 still works on AT&T's 3G network. Also, most of the non-hardware upgrades will be available with the free upgrade to iOS4 to anyone with a 3G, 3GS or iPod Touch.

[Blueface]

Just so people don't get confused, it is not 4G. The iPhone 4 still works on AT&T's 3G network. Also, most of the non-hardware upgrades will be available with the free upgrade to iOS4 to anyone with a 3G, 3GS or iPod Touch.

True, but some of the features of OS4 will not work on the 3G model. You won't be able to multi task for one. A few others too that I don't recall off the top of my head.

[Blueface]

The New Screen
720p HD Video
Multitasking


Thats enough for me :D

How could I forget multitasking and the HD video, with iMovie equivalent to edit right from the phone.

[Blueface]

Here is the video I posted earlier but a better version, directly from Apple.

Didn't realize it earlier but this phone has LED backlighting along with HD resolution.
That has got to be incredible.
6/15 is around the corner. 6/24 just seems so far away.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

[Blueface]

For all those on the Verizon and other networks waiting for their iPhone to ultimately join the craze, I say to you what I said to my Verizon Wireless customer wife of mine yesterday......................

..............Here is your version of the iPhone. :r

Needless to say, her look to me said it all.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s167/cmach_photo/verizon.jpg

[shilala]

Here is the video I posted earlier but a better version, directly from Apple.

Didn't realize it earlier but this phone has LED backlighting along with HD resolution.
That has got to be incredible.
6/15 is around the corner. 6/24 just seems so far away.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

Carlos, I hate you. I was doing okay until I saw that video. ;)
It's absolutely incredible what this phone does. If someone said 10 years ago a phone would do these this stuff, I'd have looked at them like they were crazy.

[replicant_argent]

Carlos, I hate you. I was doing okay until I saw that video. ;)
It's absolutely incredible what this phone does. If someone said 10 years ago a phone would do these this stuff, I'd have looked at them like they were crazy.

:tpd:


perhaps 6 months to a year from now, I will have to seriously reevaluate my tmobile plan, and coincidentally, my phone will probably be crashed by then.

[Blueface]

Carlos, I hate you. I was doing okay until I saw that video. ;)
It's absolutely incredible what this phone does. If someone said 10 years ago a phone would do these this stuff, I'd have looked at them like they were crazy.

Scott,
I will be in Long Island on 6/15 when you can pre-order.
I found an Apple store about 20 minutes from my hotel.
I give you one guess where I will be found after work hours are done that day.:D
Hopefully I can order it there to pick up in my local Florida store on the 24th.
I thought of online ordering but heck if I will wait for it to be shipped.

[shilala]

Scott,
I will be in Long Island on 6/15 when you can pre-order.
I found an Apple store about 20 minutes from my hotel.
I give you one guess where I will be found after work hours are done that day.:D
Hopefully I can order it there to pick up in my local Florida store on the 24th.
I thought of online ordering but heck if I will wait for it to be shipped.
I'm just gonna be happy with OS4 on my 3GS for now. I've bought way too many iphones this year, anyways. :D

[Blueface]

I'm just gonna be happy with OS4 on my 3GS for now. I've bought way too many iphones this year, anyways. :D

You are not kidding.
Just stop soaking them in water.:r

[aich75013]

http://g.media.macrumorslive.com/m/article/2010/06/07/004607-eligibility.jpg


Where do you see this?
I'm looking at my account and this is all I see for both of our lines when I click the Upgrade link:

As a valued AT&T customer, you may be eligible for a standard upgrade on this line, with reduced equipment pricing when signing a 2-year commitment. Click 'Upgrade Eligibility' to view your upgrade options.

When I click, it shows a 32GB 3GS for $199. (As well os others.)
My contract doesn't expire until 2/2011 (we signed up 2/2009), but my plan is $99/mo. Or at least was until they dropped prices.

[Blueface]

Where do you see this?
I'm looking at my account and this is all I see for both of our lines when I click the Upgrade link:



When I click, it shows a 32GB 3GS for $199. (As well os others.)
My contract doesn't expire until 2/2011 (we signed up 2/2009), but my plan is $99/mo. Or at least was until they dropped prices.

If your contract is up in 2/2011, chances are you can upgrade in 2010 as they usually allow that about three months before the contract expires.
Go to your AT&T account and take note of when they allow you to upgrade.
If it is in 2010, you are in. Anyone with an upgrade available in 2010 will be able to get this new iPhone.

[CigarNut]

yes Carlos, this is what I saw.

http://g.media.macrumorslive.com/m/article/2010/06/07/004607-eligibility.jpg\
just announced.

AT&T is going to make an incredibly generous upgrade offer. If your contract expires at any time in 2010, you can upgrade to the iPhone 4. You can get it up to six months early."

Where do you see this?
I'm looking at my account and this is all I see for both of our lines when I click the Upgrade link:


When I click, it shows a 32GB 3GS for $199. (As well os others.)
My contract doesn't expire until 2/2011 (we signed up 2/2009), but my plan is $99/mo. Or at least was until they dropped prices.

Me neither. I am due for an upgrade 8/2010 but I cannot find any reference to the iPhone 4 upgrade when I search my AT&T account...

[Blueface]

Me neither. I am due for an upgrade 8/2010 but I cannot find any reference to the iPhone 4 upgrade when I search my AT&T account...

I searched too but not fearing as they announced it to the world on TV, in the news.
Not one newscast I saw on the intro of the new phone that did not state at the end that AT&T was allowing anyone up for an upgrade any time this year to buy this new one.

From one release:
If you're an AT&T customer, go to the AT&T wireless site, login, and click on "Check Upgrade Options" to see for yourself. If you bought the iPhone last June on the cheapest plan with AT&T, you can now get the subsidized price on the new one Steve Jobs will announce today

[replicant_argent]

I should have about $12.50 saved in my piggy bank by next February, will this be enough by that time?

[Blueface]

This should help answer the upgrade question.
This is the online chat I just had with AT&T.
Note that I know for a fact I am not due for an upgrade until October as my contract expires in January.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Sahar Guy'

Sahar Guy: Hello Mr. Machin.
you: Hi
Sahar Guy: I will be glad to assist you.
you: BTW, I am referring to the new iPhone 4 to be released.
Sahar Guy: Can you please verify the last four digits of your social security number for security purposes?
you: XXXX
Sahar Guy: Thank you.
Sahar Guy: You are eligible for an upgrade, you will be able to get the new Iphone on 06/24 online or in At&T stores.
you: Thank you. Can you verify for friends, while I recognize each situation is different, what has been announced in the media that anyone eligible for an upgrade any time in 2010 can now get the new iPhone?
Sahar Guy: If you are eligible for an upgrade you can get the phone for $199 or $299, if you want to buy the full without a contract it is $599 to $699, the early upgrade is $399 to $499.
you: If you are eligible now or at any time in 2010? Many channels locally were stating when iPhone announced that if as an example, have an upgrade in November of this year, AT&T is allowing you to get the new iPhone for same cost as new customer with a new contract.
you: Allowing you to get it now when available on 6/24 that is.
Sahar Guy: That is right, on 06/24 you can get the Iphone, you can also preorder the phone on 06/15.
you: Thanks. You have been helpful.

[shilala]

This should help answer the upgrade question.
This is the online chat I just had with AT&T.
Note that I know for a fact I am not due for an upgrade until October as my contract expires in January.

Please wait for a site operator to respond.

You are now chatting with 'Sahar Guy'

Sahar Guy: Hello Mr. Machin.
you: Hi
Sahar Guy: I will be glad to assist you.
you: BTW, I am referring to the new iPhone 4 to be released.
Sahar Guy: Can you please verify the last four digits of your social security number for security purposes?
you: XXXX
Sahar Guy: Thank you.
Sahar Guy: You are eligible for an upgrade, you will be able to get the new Iphone on 06/24 online or in At&T stores.
you: Thank you. Can you verify for friends, while I recognize each situation is different, what has been announced in the media that anyone eligible for an upgrade any time in 2010 can now get the new iPhone?
Sahar Guy: If you are eligible for an upgrade you can get the phone for $199 or $299, if you want to buy the full without a contract it is $599 to $699, the early upgrade is $399 to $499.
you: If you are eligible now or at any time in 2010? Many channels locally were stating when iPhone announced that if as an example, have an upgrade in November of this year, AT&T is allowing you to get the new iPhone for same cost as new customer with a new contract.
you: Allowing you to get it now when available on 6/24 that is.
Sahar Guy: That is right, on 06/24 you can get the Iphone, you can also preorder the phone on 06/15.
you: Thanks. You have been helpful.
It sounds easier to just steal yours, Carlos.
Where you gonna be on the 25th?

[Blueface]

It sounds easier to just steal yours, Carlos.
Where you gonna be on the 25th?

Boca Raton Town Center Mall, starting at 10 a.m. when they open (I think that is when they open but the wife is sure to know as shopping is her middle name).

[shilala]

Boca Raton Town Center Mall, starting at 10 a.m. when they open (I think that is when they open but the wife is sure to know as shopping is her middle name).
Wear your new sneakers too, will ya? ;)

[sikk50]

Make sure you guys are renewing not just signing a new contract. Word is they slipped in so very expensive data plan changes...

[Sawyer]

Make sure you guys are renewing not just signing a new contract. Word is they slipped in so very expensive data plan changes...

Not necessarily more expensive, it is just that the unlimited data plan is going away. If I recall correctly, the new data plans are 200Mb for $15/mo and 2G for $25/mo with $10/G overage. I believe that something like 98% of iPhone users don't go over 2G per month.

[newcigarz]

Good Q&A between cnet and ATT spokesman Mark Seigel

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20007159-266.html


also a quick way to check out your iphone upgrade eligibility

https://buyiphone.apple.com/WebObjects/IPACustomer.woa/wa/IPAToolAction/checkUpgradeEligibility

[newcigarz]

Make sure you guys are renewing not just signing a new contract. Word is they slipped in so very expensive data plan changes...

Not necessarily more expensive, it is just that the unlimited data plan is going away. If I recall correctly, the new data plans are 200Mb for $15/mo and 2G for $25/mo with $10/G overage. I believe that something like 98% of iPhone users don't go over 2G per month.


QUESTION : If I am upgrading from an iPhone to an iPhone 4, will I need to subscribe to one of the new data plans AT&T announced last week, or can I still keep the unlimited plan I had with my previous iPhone?
ANSWER : Siegel If you want to keep the $30 unlimited data plan, you can.

[Sawyer]

QUESTION : If I am upgrading from an iPhone to an iPhone 4, will I need to subscribe to one of the new data plans AT&T announced last week, or can I still keep the unlimited plan I had with my previous iPhone?
ANSWER : Siegel If you want to keep the $30 unlimited data plan, you can.

Right, but the new ones may be cheaper for you is what I was trying to get at. And by going away, I meant no one can sign up for it anymore.

[newcigarz]

Right, but the new ones may be cheaper for you is what I was trying to get at. And by going away, I meant no one can sign up for it anymore.

Ok, just wanted to clarify that the unlimited plan is not going away completely for prior iphone users who are upgrading.

[WyGuy]

Dang, my contract isn't up for renewal until 7/2011 :(

[MiamiE]

I am due in 2011 buy I am upgrading!

[CigarNut]

...also a quick way to check out your iphone upgrade eligibility https://buyiphone.apple.com/WebObjects/IPACustomer.woa/wa/IPAToolAction/checkUpgradeEligibilityThis upgrade site only lists the 3GS and 3G as upgrade options for me -- no mention of the iPhone 4 (and I am eligible).

[newcigarz]

This upgrade site only lists the 3GS and 3G as upgrade options for me -- no mention of the iPhone 4 (and I am eligible).

I can only assume that if you are eligible for an upgrade to 3GS and/or 3G, that you could also upgrade to iphone 4 once available.:2

[KenS]

Just dial *639# on your current iphone. You will receive a text message back from AT&T with your upgrade eligibility :tu

[aich75013]

Just dial *639# on your current iphone. You will receive a text message back from AT&T with your upgrade eligibility :tu

Thanks Ken. That was easy.
It says: As a valued customer, we can offer you an upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and waive the $18 upgrade fee.
:tu

[shilala]

Thanks Ken. That was easy.
It says: As a valued customer, we can offer you an upgrade with a new 2-yr commitment and waive the $18 upgrade fee.
:tu
It said the same thing to me. I'm gonna go check at&t and see if it's true.

[rack04]

So has it been announced what features will be available with the new 4.0 software on the 3gs?

[KenS]

It said the same thing to me. I'm gonna go check at&t and see if it's true.

if you dialed that number, you already checked AT&T :tu. That's who sent you back the text ;)

[shilala]

if you dialed that number, you already checked AT&T :tu. That's who sent you back the text ;)
Ya, but it's poop. The lowest order of iphone is $49.00 at their site.
I think the $18 deal is for some other phone I don't want. To upgrade my 32gb 3gs to ANOTHER 32gb 3gs, it's $199.00. I can't even get a taste of the 4.0 yet.

[aich75013]

Ya, but it's poop. The lowest order of iphone is $49.00 at their site.
I think the $18 deal is for some other phone I don't want. To upgrade my 32gb 3gs to ANOTHER 32gb 3gs, it's $199.00. I can't even get a taste of the 4.0 yet.

The $18 would have been in addition to the price of the phone. It is a fee to "upgrade" the phone.

Is that what you were asking? Basically they are waiving the $18 fee to upgrade the phone.

[KenS]

Ya, but it's poop. The lowest order of iphone is $49.00 at their site.
I think the $18 deal is for some other phone I don't want. To upgrade my 32gb 3gs to ANOTHER 32gb 3gs, it's $199.00. I can't even get a taste of the 4.0 yet.

What it means is this: The $18 is a straight upgrade fee (not related the actual phone model). The iPhone 4 models won't be reflected in the upgrade pricing until pre-orders begin (next week, I believe). So, expect to pay $199/$299 depending on model, and $18 for the upgrade fee.

Upgrade eligibility is what it says it is ... just have to wait for the actual model availability in the system before you can select it.

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night :D

[newcigarz]

Tomorrow is the day, get your pre-orders in! :banger

[rack04]

Tomorrow is the day, get your pre-orders in! :banger

When will the update for the 3gs be available?

[newcigarz]

Looks like all you boys and girls that were looking forward to getting a white model might have to wait

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/14/atandt-says-iphone-4-to-be-initially-available-only-in-black/

[newcigarz]

When will the update for the 3gs be available?

I've read @ June 21st.

[Mindflux]

I already got IOS 4 on my 3GS. It's nice.

[newcigarz]

I already got IOS 4 on my 3GS. It's nice.

is that a beta version? are you a developer?

[The Professor]

Tomorrow is the day, get your pre-orders in! :banger
I just got approval from the DrMS to break our Sprint contract and order us both iPhones tomorrow. :wo :banger :wo

[Mindflux]

Final release.

[newcigarz]

I just got approval from the DrMS to break our Sprint contract and order us both iPhones tomorrow. :wo :banger :wo

:chr:

[Smokin Gator]

Mine will be ordered in the AM along with an iPad for the wife's b'day!!

[G G]

Final release.
Why the mystique?:tf

[Mindflux]

Why the mystique?:tf



No mystique, was posting from phone.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/06/08/dont-have-an-iphone-developer-account-download-the-gold-master-of-ios4-anyway/

Mac only!

[G G]

No mystique, was posting from phone.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/06/08/dont-have-an-iphone-developer-account-download-the-gold-master-of-ios4-anyway/

Mac only!
Cool, I think I know someone who did this now that I think about it.

Thanks for the link.:tu

[The Professor]

I'm not so sure that's ... um ... even remotely legal. Plus, it's relying on a beta of iTunes, which I would be wary of in a "production" environment. Beta = potential for some serious bugs.

[Mindflux]

I'm not so sure that's ... um ... even remotely legal. Plus, it's relying on a beta of iTunes, which I would be wary of in a "production" environment. Beta = potential for some serious bugs.

Gold master OS is final release. iTunes beta works fine, and if it doesn't another week will pass and 9.2 release will hit. No big deal to me. I did the same with the 3.x series with iTunes betas.

[G G]

I'm not so sure that's ... um ... even remotely legal. Plus, it's relying on a beta of iTunes, which I would be wary of in a "production" environment. Beta = potential for some serious bugs.
Well even if I wanted to, I don't have access to a mac anyhow.:)

[jaydub13]

It said the same thing to me. I'm gonna go check at&t and see if it's true.

It's true. Generally, if AT&T is waiving the $18 upgrade fee, you are out of contract now. And yes, if you can upgrade to a 3Gs, you can upgrade to a 4.

Oh, and preorders start tomorrow!

[jaydub13]

And any further questions regarding the iPhone 4, go ahead and PM me if you want. I work at an AT&T corporate store.

[The Professor]

And any further questions regarding the iPhone 4, go ahead and PM me if you want. I work at an AT&T corporate store.
PM on the way. :)

[smitdavi]

Think I will pre order tomorrow as well :dance: