iphone 4 just announced.

[newcigarz]

just at a glance the screen looks more contrast-y... but i've seen close ups that show the PPI of each and how big of a change it is.

yes, that was just a quick pic. you really have to see it in person.

[Blueface]

FML!!!
Still in line.
It's been about two hours now. I can see the store front. I'm checked in and guaranteed my phone. I guess about less than two hours to go but I slept until 7.

[ir13]

Mine hasnt been delivered to att yet :td

[The Professor]

when is yours arriving Dokk?
Sometime before 3pm. :hn :r

[newcigarz]

Just had some "Facetime" with Carlos. Works really well! :tu

[Blueface]

Just had some "Facetime" with Carlos. Works really well! :tu

Totally rocks!!!
What a neat toy.

I tried out the multitasking also. Really sweet.

On a separate note, does anyone know how to make the magic mouse scroll?
Just got one as moved on from my Mighty Mouse and can't seem to get that part down.

[Blueface]

I think I answered my own question as appears I need the software.

[mmblz]

I think I answered my own question as appears I need the software.

i forget whether there is a driver to install.

but scroll is with one finger- which can be confusing if you use both a laptop (two fingers scroll) and a magic mouse (1 finger)

[Blueface]

i forget whether there is a driver to install.

but scroll is with one finger- which can be confusing if you use both a laptop (two fingers scroll) and a magic mouse (1 finger)

Yeah,
Was in the middle of installing it when it hit me like a brick over the head.
The darn thing warned me it would need to re-start.
Halfway through it, I forced quit the installation as my iphone is in the process of being set up with my stored information.
What a mess that would have been.

[Blueface]

My computer is in the middle of "restore" for my new phone.
Estimates 29 hours. :r:r:r

Ooops!!!
Make that 31 now.

I better stop mocking it.
33 now.

Pucker!!!
Now I am up to 36.

I might have this phone up and running by the time the next batch gets mailed. :confused:

[sikk50]

Don't feel bad when I put os4 on my 3G it got to less than a minute (which took an hour) then built itself all the way back up to 5mins at about an hour apiece!

[Blueface]

48 hours now.
This sucks!!!

Now 53. Pretty soon, I guess it will change to "sometime next week".

[Blueface]

Good thing I talked to Tony and decided to abort the restore.
Seems I really screwed it up when I tried downloading the driver in between.
Disconnected it and tried again and finished in no time.

Time to play!!!

[rack04]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTOyVRk8-G4&feature=related

[newcigarz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTOyVRk8-G4&feature=related

hmmm, that was my wallet before the iphone. :D

[newcigarz]

AT&T just listed a bunch of new accessories for the iphone 4

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/accessories/iphone4accessories.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&_dynSessConf=23&%2Fatg%2Fcommerce%2Forder%2Fpurchase%2FCartModifie rFormHandler.addToCartMode=viaFormPost&_D%3A%2Fatg%2Fcommerce%2Forder%2Fpurchase%2FCartMo

[MiamiE]

I think I am going to get an otter box for the 4!

[Blueface]

I think I am going to get an otter box for the 4!

While an awesome protection, it is sort of like getting an H2 Hummer to protect your phone. That is how bulky that makes the phone.

[longknocker]

Saw An Advertisement On The Internet Where You Can Get $100 Off The New Phone If You Trade In The Old One At Radio Shack.:tu

[longknocker]

While an awesome protection, it is sort of like getting an H2 Hummer to protect your phone. That is how bulky that makes the phone.

I Have One, Carlos; Works Great Clipped To Your Belt!

[The Professor]

Hey folks. Posting from the iPhone. It's yummy. :)

[newcigarz]

While an awesome protection, it is sort of like getting an H2 Hummer to protect your phone. That is how bulky that makes the phone.

The phone is so slick, I hate to cover it up!

[newcigarz]

Hey folks. Posting from the iPhone. It's yummy. :)


Dokk, Carlos and I are available for FaceTime demos. :D

[longknocker]

The phone is so slick, I hate to cover it up!

Best Protection You Can Get For Your Investment, Though. All My Friends At Work Have The OtterBox On Their I-Phones.

[floydpink]

Best Protection You Can Get For Your Investment, Though. All My Friends At Work Have The OtterBox On Their I-Phones.

I resisted until after the second screen cracked and haven't had a problem since.
You have to poof a little baby powder on the inside plastic screen so it doesn't bubble and not use the belt clip holster though. The holster allows the phone to fly off in my experience.
I also found you need to open up the tab that covers the charge port or you get an echo when talking and the Otterbox doesn't allow charging with anything other than the factory charger, which sucks in the car as it's a pain to open up.

I'm kinda rough on stuff, so the Otterbox is a necessary evil. This takes out the benefit of the slimmer design of the 4 and leaves me wondering what features warrant an immediate upgrade...

[0002S]

This video was shot on my way home with the 4G. Then edited with the 4G. Music added from 4G. Then posted to YouTube with the 4G. Finally I posted this with the 4G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrYifk07eu0&feature=youtube_gdata

Amazing Phone. Whole process including drive took 45 minutes

YouTube's compression makes the video look like ass. The in phone video 720 HD is spot on. It does have the CMOS "jello" effect when not perfectly stable and moving. This was hand held.

[Blueface]

This phone is unreal.
Darn glad I waited in line for it today.

Have to add, if you don't have a Magic Mouse for your laptop...........GET IT!!!
Great toy also.

[longknocker]

I resisted until after the second screen cracked and haven't had a problem since.
You have to poof a little baby powder on the inside plastic screen so it doesn't bubble and not use the belt clip holster though. The holster allows the phone to fly off in my experience.
I also found you need to open up the tab that covers the charge port or you get an echo when talking and the Otterbox doesn't allow charging with anything other than the factory charger, which sucks in the car as it's a pain to open up.

I'm kinda rough on stuff, so the Otterbox is a necessary evil. This takes out the benefit of the slimmer design of the 4 and leaves me wondering what features warrant an immediate upgrade...

Pete: The "New" Holster Locks The Phone In As Tight As A Drum As Long As You Make Sure Your USB Port Is Closed Up Tightly On The Otterbox. If You Have Had Your Otterbox Less Than One Year, You May Get The New Holster For Free From Otterbox or ATT.:tu

[floydpink]

Pete: The "New" Holster Locks The Phone In As Tight As A Drum As Long As You Make Sure Your USB Port Is Closed Up Tightly On The Otterbox. If You Have Had Your Otterbox Less Than One Year, You May Get The New Holster For Free From Otterbox or ATT.:tu

Very good to know Greg. I bought mine off Ebay and wonder if the ATT store near me would honor this.....

Come to think of it, there's one across from Corona Cigar so that gives me an excuse to head there now!!!

[longknocker]

Very good to know Greg. I bought mine off Ebay and wonder if the ATT store near me would honor this.....

Come to think of it, there's one across from Corona Cigar so that gives me an excuse to head there now!!!

:tu GL!:)

[Starscream]

How much is the internet service on this baby? $100 a month?

[Blueface]

I definitely want to get some kind of skin for mine.
I am bound to drop it.

[shilala]

I definitely want to get some kind of skin for mine.
I am bound to drop it.
Carlos, I've been using my otterbox from day one. They are incredible.
I bought Lisa one for on her motorcycle, but she didn't use it regular. Now she does.
We literally tried every cover worth trying, I read all the reviews and tied up a small fortune in cases. The otter box is the best by a longshot.
It does as bulk, but I can roll my phone down the steps all day and it won't get hurt.

The coolest looking covers were the metallic Noel series. Dustin (XXX) said he and Echo got them and they were gorgeous. They were. The only problem was that they killed our reception and our GPS wouldn't work.

I won't ever look for another phone cover. Otter Box is the sh!t.

[floydpink]

I have a drawer full of phone cases and gun holsters that serve as a reminder of my searches for fit and fictionality.

[AlohaStyle]

I've had the origina iPhone for over 2.5 years with no case and haven't had any problems. A few very minor scratched on the back and edges but overall it held up more than I expected. I will be taking my chances with the new phone too... I just like the look and size without a case...

[smitdavi]

The phone is so slick, I hate to cover it up!

I've got the Comuter Series case for my 3G and imo it's the best case I've ever had for it. Currently I'm on the list to be notified when the iPhone 4 version is ready. The Defender case doesn't look too bulky for the iPhone 4 like it did for the 3G/3Gs.

Here's the link to the Otterbox iPhone 4 cases: OtterBox (http://www.otterbox.com/iphone-cases/iphone-4-cases/)

[Blueface]

Just picked up the Belkin clear case for the phone at Best Buy.
Looks and works great.
Barely adds any size to the phone and cushions it well. Beats the bumper being sold by Apple and it is very soft material that won't scratch up the phone as the harder cases will, specially when dust particles get caught up in there.

Knowing me, I will forever search for more cases I like but this one is great for now.

[newcigarz]

Just picked up the Belkin clear case for the phone at Best Buy.
.

this one?

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/1066/1066084_ra.jpg

[Blueface]

this one?

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/1066/1066084_ra.jpg

Yup.

[newcigarz]

Yup.

are the side buttons easily accessible?

[floydpink]

are the side buttons easily accessible?

nope. Need something pointy, but a draw tool would probably work.
The Belkin is one of the cases in my case graveyard.

[newcigarz]

nope. Need something pointy, but a draw tool would probably work.
The Belkin is one of the cases in my case graveyard.

Carlos is used to being plugged:D

[Blueface]

nope. Need something pointy, but a draw tool would probably work.
The Belkin is one of the cases in my case graveyard.

Pete,
It is easy to use.
I am use to the harder Incipio on my 3G so this one is a breeze.

[Blueface]

Carlos is used to being plugged:D

Except when prepping for Colonoscopies.:r

[Blueface]

I think I will make love to my phone tonight.
Man I love this thing.

Did some videos today and edited them right on the phone.

The zoom on the camera is amazing.

Got my apps organized by folders.

Just not sure if I should use a condom.:r

[icehog3]

I think I will make love to my phone tonight.


Did some videos today

This pairing of statements is quite disturbing to me, Mr. Cigar Brother. ;)

[Blueface]

This pairing of statements is quite disturbing to me, Mr. Cigar Brother. ;)

Too bad I can't post them.:r

[floydpink]

I think I will make love to my phone tonight.
Man I love this thing.

Did some videos today and edited them right on the phone.

The zoom on the camera is amazing.

Got my apps organized by folders.

Just not sure if I should use a condom.:r

Looks like something pointy will be entering the above mentioned Belkin case after all.:D
Hope your hard drive doesn't get all floppy on ya brother.

[The Professor]

This pairing of statements is quite disturbing to me, Mr. Cigar Brother. ;)
:tpd:

Wow.

[Blueface]

Well, didn't work out for me as my phone fell asleep, just like the wife.:confused:

On another note, cracked up this morning listening to Z-100 from NY that we also get in South Florida.

They declared today the official "punch and iPhone 4 owner" day.:r

[The Professor]

After almost a day of playing with the phone nearly constantly, i think I can safely say that this is the most insanely amazing electronic device I've ever used. :banger Aside from the alleged design flaw (which I cannot replicate with any degree of consistency or predictability to conclude it's an *actual* flaw), the iPhone 4 both beautiful and functionally lightyears beyond anything I've ever used ... especially the Blackberry from which I'm switching over.

[shilala]

I'm still slathering over OS 4.0. I can't imagine how I'd be acting if I had moved to iphone 4.
Congratulations to all you guys, especially Dokk. You've been assimilated!!! :tu

[Blueface]

I'm still slathering over OS 4.0. I can't imagine how I'd be acting if I had moved to iphone 4.
Congratulations to all you guys, especially Dokk. You've been assimilated!!! :tu

Scott,
The OS 4 is a mess with the 3 and 3G. The phones have actually slowed down a lot.
I think Apple messed up in putting that system on an older phone that was likely really intended for the 4. Or, on the other hand, maybe it was intentional to sell more 4's.
With the iPhone 4, you fly through it, literally. It is so, so fast as compared to the 3 series.
The screen is amazing.
The feel is awesome.

Candidly, regardless of whether one is an Apple fan or not, you cannot help but be awed by this phone if you use it. As Dokk said, truly an incredible device and a testament to Apple's innovativeness when it comes to this type of technology. Love them or hate them, they totally rock. I am just glad as heck I am on the "user" side.:D

BTW,
Fact Time is a riot.
Awesome to be able to toggle back and forth between front camera and back camera, even while on a conversation.
Truly innovative.

[Wanger]

Wife ordered one to replace hers, and I don't know when it's supposed to arrive. Then she said she tried to order one for me, but couldn't, as I want to keep my phone number, so we'll have to go into a store and do that. Evidently, they are going to be out at the local stores until July 2nd. So we'll see how things go next Friday or Saturday or so.

Can't wait to get it. :D

[goalie204]

Scott,
With the iPhone 4, you fly through it, literally.


I remember back when literally wasn't used as gross exaggeration and actually just meant..in a literal manner...or just meant "really" or "actually". But i guess the only constant is change :)

</threadjack>

Back to your regularly scheduled iphone 4 thread :)

[Blueface]

I remember back when literally wasn't used as gross exaggeration and actually just meant..in a literal manner...or just meant "really" or "actually". But i guess the only constant is change :)

</threadjack>

Back to your regularly scheduled iphone 4 thread :)

Myles,
Since you are going to threadjack to teach me English, let me correct you.
When I said you fly through it, literally, there is no error in my ways or usage.
I emphasized "you fly through it", which is the meaning, intent or use of literally.

Here you go:
usage Since some people take sense 2 to be the opposite of sense 1, it has been frequently criticized as a misuse. Instead, the use is pure hyperbole intended to gain emphasis, but it often appears in contexts where no additional emphasis is necessary.

In my case, I felt compelled to emphasize "you fly through it" and hence literally applies.
However, an English teacher I am not and heck if it matters in a discussion about a phone.

[newcigarz]

Taking the bike for a ride, gonna stop at Bestbuy and look at their cases.

[Blueface]

Taking the bike for a ride, gonna stop at Bestbuy and look at their cases.

Good thing I got one last night.
Phone almost took its first dive this a.m. Caught it in time. Had it fallen, I am sure that cover would have done the trick.
Stay away from the bumper. It only covers the edges and leaves the back exposed.
The bumper is an Apple exclusive but Best Buy does have a copy cat version.

[shilala]

Scott,
The OS 4 is a mess with the 3 and 3G. The phones have actually slowed down a lot.
I think Apple messed up in putting that system on an older phone that was likely really intended for the 4. Or, on the other hand, maybe it was intentional to sell more 4's.
With the iPhone 4, you fly through it, literally. It is so, so fast as compared to the 3 series.
The screen is amazing.
The feel is awesome.

Candidly, regardless of whether one is an Apple fan or not, you cannot help but be awed by this phone if you use it. As Dokk said, truly an incredible device and a testament to Apple's innovativeness when it comes to this type of technology. Love them or hate them, they totally rock. I am just glad as heck I am on the "user" side.:D

BTW,
Fact Time is a riot.
Awesome to be able to toggle back and forth between front camera and back camera, even while on a conversation.
Truly innovative.
I read about OS 4 sucking on the 3G. I didn't think it was even available for the 3.
Me and Weeze both have the 3Gs. I haven't suffered any slowdown whatsoever. If anything, it's a lot faster. I use the home double click psuedo multitasking feature constantly. When I learned you can swipe the multitask bar and see all the stuff you have used all day, it made things even faster.
I don't have to dig through screens anymore!!! :)
Today I started putting my crap in folders.
Oh yeah, on the faster...
The camera is so much faster, it literally screams now. I'm happy of it because I send a lot of text pics to Lisa. Lots of little videos, too. The whole camera/video thing has improved dramatically.
I haven't even scratched the surface of allthe new stuff. When I get time, I'll watch some "new features" videos and get educated.
On the screen, I have an ipad. I believe it uses the same glass/resolution.
Even if it doesn't, it's insanely gorgeous HD. I'm looking forward to the OS 4 for the ipad, but it won't be nearly the upgrade it was for my 3Gs, unless they come up with more features.
If there's one thing I'll use, it'll be the ability to use Pandora while I'm reading or surfing. :tu

[Blueface]

I read about OS 4 sucking on the 3G. I didn't think it was even available for the 3.
Me and Weeze both have the 3Gs. I haven't suffered any slowdown whatsoever. If anything, it's a lot faster. I use the home double click psuedo multitasking feature constantly. When I learned you can swipe the multitask bar and see all the stuff you have used all day, it made things even faster.
I don't have to dig through screens anymore!!! :)
Today I started putting my crap in folders.
Oh yeah, on the faster...
The camera is so much faster, it literally screams now. I'm happy of it because I send a lot of text pics to Lisa. Lots of little videos, too. The whole camera/video thing has improved dramatically.
I haven't even scratched the surface of allthe new stuff. When I get time, I'll watch some "new features" videos and get educated.
On the screen, I have an ipad. I believe it uses the same glass/resolution.
Even if it doesn't, it's insanely gorgeous HD. I'm looking forward to the OS 4 for the ipad, but it won't be nearly the upgrade it was for my 3Gs, unless they come up with more features.
If there's one thing I'll use, it'll be the ability to use Pandora while I'm reading or surfing. :tu

Jr. has the 3GS and he is the one that told me he was crawling.
Glad to hear yours runs good. He may have had a bad day.

The camera on the 4 is quite fast. Truly a breath of fresh air over the prior version I had. Not sure how the digital zoom looks on the 3G but very sharp on the 4. The HD video and the in camera editing is quite neat also.

[Blueface]

Another big difference from my 3 is the battery.
I have not charged it all since picking it up around lunch time yesterday.
Used it all afternoon into evening.
Left it on overnight.
Still have about 3/4 of the battery life.
I did have it connected for a while to the laptop while I restored by information and it did get a brief charge there but I still think this is quite good compared to what I had.

[Mindflux]

3GS is fast for me with iOS4 but battery life has suffered.

[Sean9689]

Got the 4 on 6/23 and have been loving it ever since. I didn't think the difference between the 3GS and 4 would be so dramatic, but I was wrong. Amazing phone!

[Starscream]

If you have a reception problem, "just don't hold it that way".:r

[Mindflux]

If you have a reception problem, "just don't hold it that way".:r

meh.

Anything with an antenna has attenuation problems when you add non conductive mass to it. (eg attaching a 200 lb man to the phone)

[0002S]

No matter how hard I try to make the reception issue happen, I can't reproduce it.

I've tried to hold it every way possible and still get 5 bars

Something tells me this is a manufacturing and components supplier issue only effecting certain phones.

[Blueface]

No matter how hard I try to make the reception issue happen, I can't reproduce it.

I've tried to hold it every way possible and still get 5 bars

Something tells me this is a manufacturing and components supplier issue only effecting certain phones.

Totally agree.
I tried until I turned blue.
My son also tried.
Neither one of us could make the bars budge.

[Starscream]

No matter how hard I try to make the reception issue happen, I can't reproduce it.

I've tried to hold it every way possible and still get 5 bars

Something tells me this is a manufacturing and components supplier issue only effecting certain phones.

Totally agree.
I tried until I turned blue.
My son also tried.
Neither one of us could make the bars budge.

Your holding it wrong.;)

[Blueface]

Gotta say, I spent some time last week comparing a friend's Droid to my 3.
In retro, with my new 4, I can candidly say Droid DOESN'T.:D

[newcigarz]

For all you lonely iphone 4 owners who have no one to FaceTime with.

Call Apple 1-888-FACETIME :tu

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/06/25/apple-rolls-out-dedicated-facetime-support-and-testing/

[shilala]

You guys remember when video telephone was just on The Jetsons?

[fissure]

Anyone keep having the voice mail password message pop up? Never have had a password, and have it turned off in the settings, but it still keeps asking for one. Says I need to contact ATT if I forgot the password I never set up. Sometimes it pops up when not even in the VM screen. This is on a 3GS with the new software. Never did it until it was updated.

[Blueface]

Anyone keep having the voice mail password message pop up? Never have had a password, and have it turned off in the settings, but it still keeps asking for one. Says I need to contact ATT if I forgot the password I never set up. Sometimes it pops up when not even in the VM screen. This is on a 3GS with the new software. Never did it until it was updated.

Yup.
Happened to me.
Once I input it, was all set.
Contact AT&T if you don't remember yours.

[sikk50]

I can't wait for mine to get here. There were like 300 ppl in line yesterday at the apple store in Santa Barbara and that was at 4pm. My 3G is painfully slow with os4.

You know I was thinking about that apple face tome thing and the first thought I had was it is going to end up like chat roulet...

[Mindflux]

Interesting info on antennas in phones.

http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-blog/2010/6/24/apple-iphone-4-antennas.html

[sikk50]

Also I'm having to charge my battery twice a day! Luckly I have a charger in my patrol truck or it wouldn't make it through a full shift!

[The Professor]

Totally agree.
I tried until I turned blue.
My son also tried.
Neither one of us could make the bars budge.
I was able to get it to budge one bar here in my office today; but that's it. Still no dropped calls or poor reception. Still loving the damned thing. I have a WiFi connection (and used 3G while out of the office) and I've been using it fairly regularly for email, text, photos, facebook, web, and (yes) phone calls all day. Off the charger since 6:30 this morning and I'm sitting at 62%. I think it'll last until bedtime tonight pretty easily.

[Blueface]

I was able to get it to budge one bar here in my office today; but that's it. Still no dropped calls or poor reception. Still loving the damned thing. I have a WiFi connection (and used 3G while out of the office) and I've been using it fairly regularly for email, text, photos, facebook, web, and (yes) phone calls all day. Off the charger since 6:30 this morning and I'm sitting at 62%. I think it'll last until bedtime tonight pretty easily.

I haven't charged it yet since walking out of the Apple store yesterday.
After much use, I am now down to about 1/3 of the battery level.

[Starscream]

Your holding it wrong.;)

Just to be clear, I'm not knocking Apple or the Iphone 4. congrats to everyone who bought one.:tu

[0002S]

Also I'm having to charge my battery twice a day! Luckly I have a charger in my patrol truck or it wouldn't make it through a full shift!

BT + wifi + full bright + talking runs the battery down real quick.

[Samsquanch]

Stood in line for 20 minutes this morning, glad I didn't waste hours in line yesterday! Loving this phone, of course my productivity at work today dropped to practically nil.

No yellowing of the screen. No reduced signal when holding it, no matter how hard I try. I have seen some reports of broken phones though, so be careful and buy a case. I'm avoiding the Apple "Bumper" case, $29 for a piece of molded rubber that probably costs $.25 to make?? Crazy, plenty of aftermarket options headed our way.

[Samsquanch]

Wondering who out there has a good iPhone Cigar app? Something with inventory controls, info on cigars, ratings perhaps. It would be sick if we could take a picture of a cigar and it would look it up...

[J0eybb]

Will it blend?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLreo24WYeQ

[Blueface]

Stood in line for 20 minutes this morning, glad I didn't waste hours in line yesterday! Loving this phone, of course my productivity at work today dropped to practically nil.

No yellowing of the screen. No reduced signal when holding it, no matter how hard I try. I have seen some reports of broken phones though, so be careful and buy a case. I'm avoiding the Apple "Bumper" case, $29 for a piece of molded rubber that probably costs $.25 to make?? Crazy, plenty of aftermarket options headed our way.

That's great.
Where on Earth did you manage to get one today?

[sikk50]

Wondering who out there has a good iPhone Cigar app? Something with inventory controls, info on cigars, ratings perhaps. It would be sick if we could take a picture of a cigar and it would look it up...

Our own KenS. It's called Mobile Stogie

[WyGuy]

Our own KenS. It's called Mobile Stogie

:tu Great app!

[The Professor]

Interesting theory abouft the antena issue.

http://nyti.ms/d3CUAA

[shilala]

Interesting theory abouft the antena issue.

http://nyti.ms/d3CUAA
Dokk, there's a link on page about colors.
Wanna bet the next rev is funky colors? It makes sense. Makes the design change make a lot of sense, too. Since the hardware is so far ahead of the curve, there's plenty of time to add colors and an OS update.

[The Professor]

Dokk, there's a link on page about colors.
Wanna bet the next rev is funky colors? It makes sense. Makes the design change make a lot of sense, too. Since the hardware is so far ahead of the curve, there's plenty of time to add colors and an OS update.
I don't think they'll do it. Apple's move in recent years has been *away* from bright, flashy things and *toward* minimalist, industrial design. They did the flashy colors years ago with the iMac ... and then they stopped. Their push has been to do a few things and do them well -- don't overwhelm the consumers with too many choices at the top level; just offer a few models make them well.

I was surprised, honestly, to see so many options with the bumpers since they've basically left the colorful accessory market up to 3rd parties.

Anyway, I could be wrong about all that. Based on everything I've seen, though (recently and going all the way back to Steve Jobs's return to the company), I can't see them going beyond black, white, and metal (aluminum and stainless steel, for the time being).

:2

PS, and I think there's going to be an iOS 4.0.1 update on Monday or Tuesday at the latest, which will fix the antenna and possibly the proximity sensor sensitivity (I face-dialed someone yesterday when the phone angled away from my ear). Appleinsider has a story about the software fix: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/25/death_grip_hysteria_may_end_monday_with_ios_4_01.h tml

[shilala]

I don't think they'll do it. Apple's move in recent years has been *away* from bright, flashy things and *toward* minimalist, industrial design. They did the flashy colors years ago with the iMac ... and then they stopped. Their push has been to do a few things and do them well -- don't overwhelm the consumers with too many choices at the top level; just offer a few models make them well.

I was surprised, honestly, to see so many options with the bumpers since they've basically left the colorful accessory market up to 3rd parties.

Anyway, I could be wrong about all that. Based on everything I've seen, though (recently and going all the way back to Steve Jobs's return to the company), I can't see them going beyond black, white, and metal (aluminum and stainless steel, for the time being).

:2

PS, and I think there's going to be an iOS 4.0.1 update on Monday or Tuesday at the latest, which will fix the antenna and possibly the proximity sensor sensitivity (I face-dialed someone yesterday when the phone angled away from my ear). Appleinsider has a story about the software fix: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/25/death_grip_hysteria_may_end_monday_with_ios_4_01.h tml
You oughta see the ipods, Dokk. The innovation has really slipped since they added umpteen colors. They even make special colors for special causes.
Apple cycles. Right now they have all their minds on the ipad and the iphone 4. Now that they're loosed up, I expect they'll roll out tons of these ideas in ipod. Ipod touch is due for an update, too. Facetime and OS 4.0 will be huge on the touch. It'd sell a billion units. Any kid worth their salt has a touch, and if they aren't carrying one, they want one.
At second thought, Facetime might be a little scary with ipod touch with all the issues about kids getting sexy over broadband. It'd probably meet a lot of controversy, so they may stay away from camera-ing up the touch. Jobs has been in love with colors since the Mac. I think he likes colors even more cause Gates made foolish of him for it. He said something like "So Purple is an innovation in computing?"
iPhone is so hot right now that I can't see colors real soon, but I'd bet on it for the next rollout. The design allows for it now, it didn't before. Even if it doesn't happen, it's had to be on their minds when they went with the like front and back.
I'd totally rock a dark red 4Gs. :D

[sikk50]

Got an email last night that my phone shipped! 5days ahead of schedule!

[Samsquanch]

That's great.
Where on Earth did you manage to get one today?

Apple store- they released all the reserved ones that didn't get picked up on Thursday.

[smitdavi]

Got an email last night that my phone shipped! 5days ahead of schedule!

Damn.....I keep checking to see if I will get mine shipped out early.

crossingfingers

[Wanger]

We stopped at the store yesterday to play with them a bit, and realized that I wasn't on a reserve list. I am now. :D After playing with one for a bit, I definitely like the functionality of it. Hopefully I'll get the e-mail relatively soon that I need to go pick it up, but I won't be holding my breath.

[sikk50]

Two more days!

[Blueface]

Picked up my phone on day one last Thursday and used it with the charge it came with.
Since then, I have used it non stop.
I just charged it for the 3rd time since getting it.
This new battery is amazing!!!

On a funny note, my 3 yr old grandson, who always plays with my iPhone, immediately notices I have a new one and was handing him the old one to play with.

He repeatedly insisted on seeing the new one and I kept telling him they were both the same. Eventually, I gave in. The moment he turned it on, I swear his response was "Wow". His eyes lit up and immediately told me, I really like this new iPhone. He went on to repeat it over and over.

Moral of that story.......................even a 3 year old can figure out the new iPhone rocks!!!

[sikk50]

Mines on it's way from Memphis to LA right now. Schedualed to be in my hand by 10:30am tomorrow!

[CigarNut]

I was not going to get an iPhone 4 right away -- but I dropped my 3GS this weekend and the screen shattered... The InvisiShield is all that is holding it together... I went in to the AT&T store today and picked one up. Now I just need to get a case :)

Just finished syncing it, so I have not really spent any time using it, but am looking forward to it!

[Chainsaw13]

Figures, I just ordered a Iphone 4 today. All in all though, I can't complain too much about AT&T's service/coverage.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20100629/BIZ04/6290439/1013/Source--Verizon-to-get-iPhone-in-January

[Samsquanch]

Yeah, I figure the iPhone wouldn't be the best selling phone in history if AT&T was that bad. I'm a new iPhone user and AT&T subscriber and have no complaints thus far (after 5 days)...

[sikk50]

My phone came and is syncing now!

[Samsquanch]

My phone came and is syncing now!

Congrats and be prepared to get no work done today!!! :D

[sikk50]

LOL

I don't have to be at work until 430pm so I'm hopping to get it all out of my system by then

[T.G]

Sounds like Verizon will be getting the iPhone come January 2011.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-30/verizon-may-sell-12-million-iphones-the-year-after-at-t-exclusivity-ends.html

[Lear31MX]

Sounds like Verizon will be getting the iPhone come January 2011.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-30/verizon-may-sell-12-million-iphones-the-year-after-at-t-exclusivity-ends.html

that will make a lot of unhappy AT&T iphone users happy

[poker]

Dont hold your breath

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100630/tc_pcworld/iphoneonverizon5reasonstodoubtthelatestrumors_1

[Lear31MX]

Dont hold your breath

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100630/tc_pcworld/iphoneonverizon5reasonstodoubtthelatestrumors_1

ok maybe they'll stay unhappy:D

[T.G]

Dont hold your breath

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100630/tc_pcworld/iphoneonverizon5reasonstodoubtthelatestrumors_1

Thanks, I thought that rumor sounded familiar.

[sikk50]

This things sick, except fir the dropped calls. Luckly most everything I do is through text

[smitdavi]

Ugh....mine finally shipped. Says it will be here next Thursday

[ir13]

Ballin Bumpers

http://gizmodo.com/5576923/vapor4-may-be-the-first-bumper-worthy-of-the-iphone-4

[smitdavi]

Ballin Bumpers

http://gizmodo.com/5576923/vapor4-may-be-the-first-bumper-worthy-of-the-iphone-4

I saw that yesterday and I'm seriously considering it. Wish it didn't have the "VAPOR" on the sides though. It did say they would offer custom ones in the future....I may have to keep an I on this.

[Whee]

The antenna problem finally solved.




















http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/picture.php?albumid=266&pictureid=4331

[Samsquanch]

Hey guys, here's a heads up -

I just listed my iPhone 4 on my renters insurance for $14 a YEAR! It includes all risk coverage (loss, theft, water damage, breakage, etc) and doesn't have a deductible. Much better than other plans costing A LOT more and have steep deductibles. I'm with Encompass.

[Brutus2600]

Just FYI...if you guys read Apple's letter to all iPhone 4 users (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html) about the signal issue and were confused, here is a great translation (http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/translation_iphone_4) for you


:r:r:r

[sikk50]

Do any of you guys play Godfinger?? I need friends lol

[Blueface]

Hey guys, here's a heads up -

I just listed my iPhone 4 on my renters insurance for $14 a YEAR! It includes all risk coverage (loss, theft, water damage, breakage, etc) and doesn't have a deductible. Much better than other plans costing A LOT more and have steep deductibles. I'm with Encompass.

Being in the insurance claims business for over 28 years, I honestly would not recommend this.
Your phone is something you can easily lose or damage. Once this happens, you file a claim. Claims can cause your renter's policy to be cancelled if occur within certain time frames of their underwriting guidelines of frequency guidelines or type of loss guidelines.
Next thing you know, you are being dropped and shopping for new insurance.
Use your renter's or homeowner's insurance for what it was intended for and get a policy for your phone elsewhere.

Take it from a wise old man in this business.

[The Professor]

Take it from a wise old man in this business.

You got the old part right! ;)

I didn't even try my homeowners insurance for that reason. I went with Squaretrade because they have the best reviews and reputation. Had a coupon and spent about $85 per phone for 2 years of full coverage ($50 deductible for accidental damage, $0 for warranty type repair -- both with free overnight to and from the repair center).

[floydpink]

With all the alleged reception problems and the only "worthy" case to keep the minimalistic look of the Iphone 4 intact requiring a huge logo up the side at the moment, I am currently very content with my Iphone 3 in the Otterbox, but you guys enjoy your new toys.

With all the press about the reception problems and needing to have to hold the phone a certain way, inflated or not, you can be sure Apple is looking at a redesigned model.

[Wanger]

Just FYI...if you guys read Apple's letter to all iPhone 4 users (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html) about the signal issue and were confused, here is a great translation (http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/translation_iphone_4) for you


:r:r:r

LMAO at the translation. :)

Even with the reported issues and all of the competition from the Droid platforms, I still would prefer an iPhone, and looking forward to getting one. My wife has had hers for a year and a half with minimal complaints (mainly download and upload slow speeds inside places, like inside the Metrodome). I do know people who have had dropped call issues, but they also admitted to having used their phones more for business calls than just personal use.

Can't wait to get the e-mail that says I can come pick up my new phone. :D

[The Professor]

I'm sure AT&T ol'timers already know this; but I just found out tonight. If you're on certain plans (e.g., the Family 1400 plan that I'm on), you've got a feature called "A-List," which lets you specify up to 10 numbers (landline or cell) for unlimited talk time. As such, I was able to add folks like my parents, the DrMS's parents, and a few different friends who aren't on AT&T ... and now we'll get unlimited talk time with them. :wo

Just wanted to share as an AT&T newbie.

[smitdavi]

:wo my phone is now in Memphis....getting antsy lol

[Smokin Gator]

I'm sure AT&T ol'timers already know this; but I just found out tonight. If you're on certain plans (e.g., the Family 1400 plan that I'm on), you've got a feature called "A-List," which lets you specify up to 10 numbers (landline or cell) for unlimited talk time. As such, I was able to add folks like my parents, the DrMS's parents, and a few different friends who aren't on AT&T ... and now we'll get unlimited talk time with them. :wo

Just wanted to share as an AT&T newbie.

I've been with AT&T for several years and just found this a couple of months ago. It has been saving me 500-600 minutes a month!!!

[The Professor]

I've been with AT&T for several years and just found this a couple of months ago. It has been saving me 500-600 minutes a month!!!
Yeah ... it's going to save us a TON. Basically, all of the people we talk to regularly who happen to not be on AT&T are now on our A-List. We're going to be rolling over a ridiculous number of minutes. :D

[Chingas]

Never heard if it and have been with AT&T since the 3G. Thanks for the heads up.

[The Professor]

Never heard if it and have been with AT&T since the 3G. Thanks for the heads up.
It's only certain plans -- 1400 Family plan and up, not sure about the individual plans.

[smitdavi]

:wo my phone is now in Memphis....getting antsy lol

:wo leaving Memphis now. Kinda surprised they are still moving packages on a Sunday. It's getting closer!!

[rack04]

I'm sure AT&T ol'timers already know this; but I just found out tonight. If you're on certain plans (e.g., the Family 1400 plan that I'm on), you've got a feature called "A-List," which lets you specify up to 10 numbers (landline or cell) for unlimited talk time. As such, I was able to add folks like my parents, the DrMS's parents, and a few different friends who aren't on AT&T ... and now we'll get unlimited talk time with them. :wo

Just wanted to share as an AT&T newbie.

I just wished the offered the A List in the 700 minute plan. With the A List, unlimited mobile to mobile, and unlimited nights and weekends my wife and I never use more than 500 minutes.

[Smokin Gator]

I noticed an app for Sirius radio. I have Sirius on a couple of different receivers and pay something like $10 a month for them. The app based one is $2.99. If I use it though will that be considered "data?" If it is I imagine I could run up quite the bill.

[The Professor]

I noticed an app for Sirius radio. I have Sirius on a couple of different receivers and pay something like $10 a month for them. The app based one is $2.99. If I use it though will that be considered "data?" If it is I imagine I could run up quite the bill.
If you're streaming it on the 3G network, it would be "data." If you streamed it on a wifi network, it would not count against your 3G data cap.

[smitdavi]

:wo Syncing now :wo

[aich75013]

:wo
One just got delivered.

The other is still: On FedEx vehicle for delivery

Why they would deliver them separately, I have no idea.

[smitdavi]

Had a nice little surprise today. Hooked up the new iPhone to sync and get a nasty little message saying "iphone not compatible with this OSX version. Needs 10.5.8 to work". Was kind of pissed because it works on every version of windows but Apple is screwing their own people. I can't upgrade to 10.5.8 because it requires and intel processor and I'm running 10.4.11 on the last PPC they made before they switched over to the intel chips. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that it wouldn't be compatible with my computer. Oh well.....was able to activate it with Katie's computer, I just wont' be able to put any music on it until we buy that new desktop we've been eyeing. Usually I am a big defender of Apple but today I was really HOT!

[jaydub13]

I noticed an app for Sirius radio. I have Sirius on a couple of different receivers and pay something like $10 a month for them. The app based one is $2.99. If I use it though will that be considered "data?" If it is I imagine I could run up quite the bill.

It sure is, as is XM radio and Pandora. Here's a frame of reference for you: I had a customer who used XM radio at his desk to the tune of 40hrs a week. Comes out to about 7-8GB of data a month. For those with unlimited, no sweat. For those without, as was said earlier, go with WiFi. Actually a surprising number of apps use data. The iPhone is a data HOG.

[The Professor]

my wife's out of town for a few days. we're doing some redecorating, which (of course) I've been put in charge of implementing; but I ran into some issues with the proposed changes (i.e., they weren't possible). knowing that a simple explanation wouldn't do, I was able to *show* her using FaceTime. very cool. :tu it was also neat, of course, to be able to talk to her "face-to-face" from a thousand miles away.

[AD720]

Had a nice little surprise today. Hooked up the new iPhone to sync and get a nasty little message saying "iphone not compatible with this OSX version. Needs 10.5.8 to work". Was kind of pissed because it works on every version of windows but Apple is screwing their own people. I can't upgrade to 10.5.8 because it requires and intel processor and I'm running 10.4.11 on the last PPC they made before they switched over to the intel chips. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that it wouldn't be compatible with my computer. Oh well.....was able to activate it with Katie's computer, I just wont' be able to put any music on it until we buy that new desktop we've been eyeing. Usually I am a big defender of Apple but today I was really HOT!

I was pretty sure that 10.5 (Leopard) does work with PPC processors, it's 10.6 (Snow Leopard) that is Intel only...

Mac OS X v10.5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Leopard) "Leopard" was released on October 26, 2007. It was called by Apple "the largest update of Mac OS X". It brought more than 300 new features.[86] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-85) Leopard supports both PowerPC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC)- and Intel x86 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86)-based Macintosh computers; support for the G3 processor was dropped and the G4 processor required a minimum clock rate of 867 MHz, and at least 512 MB of RAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory) to be installed. The single DVD works for all supported Macs (including 64-bit machines). New features include a new look, an updated Finder, Time Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_%28Apple_software%29), Spaces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaces_%28software%29), Boot Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Camp_%28software%29)[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-bootcamp-86) full support for 64-bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit) applications (including graphical applications), new features in Mail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_%28application%29) and iChat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IChat), and a number of new security features. Leopard is an Open Brand UNIX 03 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification) registered product on the Intel platform. It was also the first BSD-based (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution) OS to receive UNIX 03 certification.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-leopard_unix_cert-2)[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-87) Leopard dropped support for the Classic Environment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Environment) and all Classic applications.[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-88) pre-installed,
It was the final version of Mac OS X to support the PowerPC architecture.

[Wolfgang]

I have 10.5.8 on my Mac G4 ppc (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/stats/macserver_g4_800_dp_qs.html) with no issues.

[Sauer Grapes]

Wife got the iPhone 4 today. I think she is more excited about the flash for the camera than anything else.

I can't decide whether or not to get the black version this week when it comes in or the white version at the end of the month (or later if I can't get one when they come out).

[The Professor]

Wife got the iPhone 4 today. I think she is more excited about the flash for the camera than anything else.

I can't decide whether or not to get the black version this week when it comes in or the white version at the end of the month (or later if I can't get one when they come out).
Just know this, some cases eff up the flash. For example, the Griffen Reveal (black sides, clear back with cutouts for the flash and lens) refracts the light in such a way that it washes out every picture using the flash.

[Chingas]

Good call Dokk. I went with a skin from ZAGG. It keeps the profile slim, lasts a long time and all the cutouts are perfect. Had one on my last iPhone and lived it. Just my double penny worth of insight.

[The Professor]

Good call Dokk. I went with a skin from ZAGG. It keeps the profile slim, lasts a long time and all the cutouts are perfect. Had one on my last iPhone and lived it. Just my double penny worth of insight.
Ya. I'm using an Apple bumper (it keeps the sexy lines intact and offers a little protection) and am waiting on my Best Skins Ever skin to get here (should be today or Monday).

If someone did get a case with a clear back (there are a couple out there), you can fix the flash washout issue by coloring in the edges of the cutouts (for the flash and the camera) with a black Sharpie marker.

[The Professor]

Best envelope ever:

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/cs_the_professor/photo-3.jpg

That's for me skin. Now to figure out the proper wet installation method.... :hm

[Chingas]

Easy. Peel off, spray sticky side. Line up a hair higher then where you want. Slide down. Squeegy the life out of it to work the bubbles out.

PRESTO! Skinned i4!

[eber]

thinking about ordering a best skin ever, how is it Dokk?

[The Professor]

thinking about ordering a best skin ever, how is it Dokk?
I like it a lot. It goes on pretty easy (even if it's a little nerve-wracking getting soapy water on your iPhone) and feels nice. It's not as smooth as the glass; but your finger slides over it real well. I actually think I like the slight texture on the back *more* than the smooth glass.

I ordered 2 -- one for my phone and one for my wife's. The first one I put on the front of mine, though, had a scratch on the underside. I took it off and put on my wife's (she's not home until Wednesday, anyway). I've contacted support and have no doubt that they will respond quickly with a new front skin (all reports are that they have great service).

Anyway ... second one looks stellar. I expect it all to look perfect after everything has had a chance to settle. For $8 and minimal shipping (it was $1 first class for the 2 I ordered), you really can't beat these skins.

I believe I remember reading that King James would agree 100%. ;)

[smitdavi]

I was pretty sure that 10.5 (Leopard) does work with PPC processors, it's 10.6 (Snow Leopard) that is Intel only...

Mac OS X v10.5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Leopard) "Leopard" was released on October 26, 2007. It was called by Apple "the largest update of Mac OS X". It brought more than 300 new features.[86] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-85) Leopard supports both PowerPC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC)- and Intel x86 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86)-based Macintosh computers; support for the G3 processor was dropped and the G4 processor required a minimum clock rate of 867 MHz, and at least 512 MB of RAM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random-access_memory) to be installed. The single DVD works for all supported Macs (including 64-bit machines). New features include a new look, an updated Finder, Time Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_%28Apple_software%29), Spaces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaces_%28software%29), Boot Camp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Camp_%28software%29)[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-bootcamp-86) full support for 64-bit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit) applications (including graphical applications), new features in Mail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_%28application%29) and iChat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IChat), and a number of new security features. Leopard is an Open Brand UNIX 03 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification) registered product on the Intel platform. It was also the first BSD-based (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Software_Distribution) OS to receive UNIX 03 certification.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-leopard_unix_cert-2)[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-87) Leopard dropped support for the Classic Environment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Environment) and all Classic applications.[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X#cite_note-88) pre-installed,
It was the final version of Mac OS X to support the PowerPC architecture.

I have 10.5.8 on my Mac G4 ppc (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_server_g4/stats/macserver_g4_800_dp_qs.html) with no issues.


Yeah my bad...I was thinking of Snow Leopard. I probably will not put leopard on this laptop. Only running a 512 stick of ram and thats the bare minimum for Leopard and I don't want to bog the whole thing down.

So....I just went out and bought a new iMac lol

[Sauer Grapes]

I like it a lot. It goes on pretty easy (even if it's a little nerve-wracking getting soapy water on your iPhone) and feels nice. It's not as smooth as the glass; but your finger slides over it real well. I actually think I like the slight texture on the back *more* than the smooth glass.

I ordered 2 -- one for my phone and one for my wife's. The first one I put on the front of mine, though, had a scratch on the underside. I took it off and put on my wife's (she's not home until Wednesday, anyway). I've contacted support and have no doubt that they will respond quickly with a new front skin (all reports are that they have great service).

Anyway ... second one looks stellar. I expect it all to look perfect after everything has had a chance to settle. For $8 and minimal shipping (it was $1 first class for the 2 I ordered), you really can't beat these skins.

I believe I remember reading that King James would agree 100%. ;)

I just ordered two on your recommendation. Worth the try since two cost well less than one of the other options. Does it affect the way your bumper fits? I don't plan on getting a bumper, but do a case.

[The Professor]

I just ordered two on your recommendation. Worth the try since two cost well less than one of the other options. Does it affect the way your bumper fits? I don't plan on getting a bumper, but do a case.
Nope. Just be sure to wait a while (maybe 24 hours) before putting a case on. I waited 12 and it seems to work fine; but their recommendation is 24 before you use it. I think 24 is a bit long in this day and age; so my personal recommendation is to do it in the evening and let it sit overnight while you sleep. By the time you're ready to leave the next day, it should be fine. Be sure to print out their directions on the website and just follow them. :)

[The Professor]

Despite its issues, iPhone 4 ranks as best smartphone in newest Consumer Reports findings.

http://www.macrumors.com/2010/07/12/aside-from-signal-issue-consumer-reports-rates-iphone-4-highest-amongst-all-smartphones/

Sure ... they reneged on their recommendation due to the signal issues; but their even that can't stop the iPhone 4 from being better than any other on the market. :D

[poker]

Having had the Iphone 3GS (updated with OS 4.0), I have to admit that I like the new Iphone 4 even with its quirks. Mine's in a iFrogz case and I have no issues at all, and I would have it in a case anyways even if it worked fine without one, simply for protection.

[Wanger]

Woohoo! Just got the e-mail that mine is in! :D If only my old cell hadn't fried the SIM card last week, I'd be able to transfer all my contacts. I'll likely pick it up on the way home today. :D

[SUOrangeGuy]

I got mine yesterday. So much faster than my 3G plus my local area just upgraded from edge. Pandora is sweet.

[Sauer Grapes]

Woohoo! Just got the e-mail that mine is in! :D If only my old cell hadn't fried the SIM card last week, I'd be able to transfer all my contacts. I'll likely pick it up on the way home today. :D

It wouldn't have mattered. The new iphone uses a smaller sim. Besides, keeping the contacts on the computer is awesome once you get past the pain of inputing them the first time.

[Sauer Grapes]

Having had the Iphone 3GS (updated with OS 4.0), I have to admit that I like the new Iphone 4 even with its quirks. Mine's in a iFrogz case and I have no issues at all, and I would have it in a case anyways even if it worked fine without one, simply for protection.

I'm with you on this. Really impressed with the phone so far. However, the way I hold it when surfing the net is with the bottom in my right hand, held horizontally and it seems to block the signal then. That's the only time I noticed it and really, I can't isn't just the crappy service in downtown Chicago as it doesn't always decrease the signal, so I'm not sure if my hand is actually doing it. (my signal goes up and down when I'm standing still, and did that even before I had the iphone 4).

[AD720]

It wouldn't have mattered. The new iphone uses a smaller sim. Besides, keeping the contacts on the computer is awesome once you get past the pain of inputing them the first time.

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/sim-microsim-cutting-tool-05294034/ :D

Only $34.95 :lv

[newcigarz]

software update available today, 4.0.1.

[76GTFan]

software update available today, 4.0.1.

Not seeing it yet.:confused:

[newcigarz]

Not seeing it yet.:confused:


http://www.fototime.com/D6E2943D0B4DDB1/standard.jpg

[rack04]

I have a real hard time believe that the whole dropped call debate is due to the formula used to determine how many bars of signal strength are displayed.

[longknocker]

software update available today, 4.0.1.

Just Did The "15 Minute" Update.:tu

[tenbaseg]

Just updated as well. I only get about 1 bar at home and that's all I have after the update. No harm, no foul.

[MiamiE]

Check this badboy out:

http://www.elementcase.com/

[Smokin Gator]

Just finished the update... I can't imagine it will affect anything major.

[Samsquanch]

Apple press conference tomorrow, 10am PST. Should be interesting how they spin this.

[rack04]

Apple press conference tomorrow, 10am PST. Should be interesting how they spin this.

Interesting indeed.

[newcigarz]

Apple press conference tomorrow, 10am PST. Should be interesting how they spin this.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Apple is not planning on issuing an iPhone 4 recall at tomorrow's press conference.

Apple's iPhone 4 has been dogged by reports of antenna-reception problems since its launch last month. The company has called a news conference to discuss the issue Friday. Apple doesn't plan to recall the phone, a person familar with the matter said.

[Blueface]

I have yet to have any issues with the antenna.
I must be lucky I guess.

[Sauer Grapes]

Guy at the genius bar today said he wouldn't be surprised if the conference was just to announce the white version of the iPhone 4. I doubt it and I'm sure that's what they tell them to say, if he even knows the real reason.

I'm guessing free bumpers and an extended exchange period, maybe, 30 days or so. Maybe a store credit in the amount of the bumper, but probably not.

[mithrilG60]

I have a real hard time believe that the whole dropped call debate is due to the formula used to determine how many bars of signal strength are displayed.

It's a hardware design flaw, there's no question about that. All the revised calculation formula will do it let you know a more accurately what signal level you have so it doesn't look like you have full signal just before it cacks out on you because you touched the antennae.

This is a major mistake for Apple, but ultimately it doesn't affect anyone that isn't trying to use the phone without a case. If the iPhone 4 is like all the others the first thing most people will do it start looking for a case to protect their nice shiny new toy.

[newcigarz]

It's a hardware design flaw, there's no question about that.



Maybe not. Report this morning from MacRumors.



Despite the fact that today's release of iOS 4.0.1 addressed only the display of signal strength on the iPhone and not actual signal attenuation issues caused by touching the antenna in the side of the iPhone 4, a software fix may yet still be possible.

According to The New York Times, the signal attenuation issue is the result of an interaction between communication software within the device's operating system and the antenna, an issue that could presumably be addressed with a software update.

One person with direct knowledge of the phone's design said Thursday that the iPhone 4 exposed a longstanding weakness in the basic communications software inside Apple's phones and that the reception problems were not caused by an isolated hardware flaw.

Instead, the problems emerged in the complex interaction between specialized communications software and the antenna, said the person, who agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter.
The source also indicates that Apple CEO Steve Jobs did not learn of the signal issue until after the iPhone 4 began shipping, seemingly refuting a report from Bloomberg earlier today claiming that Jobs had been tipped off early in the design process that the antenna design could cause a problem.

The person said the problems were longstanding but had been exposed by the design of the iPhone 4. All cellphones can be affected by the way a hand grips the phone, but well-designed communications software compensates for a variety of external factors and prevents calls from dropping, the person said.
The issue is reportedly unrelated to the signal display issue already addressed by Apple in iOS 4.0.1.

If the source's claims are true, the information could shed some light on recent comments made by Jobs in an email to a customer claiming that the "facts are different" than has been portrayed by blogs and the media, which have positioned the issue as a hardware problem possibly necessitating a recall.

Apple has scheduled a press conference for tomorrow at 10:00 AM Pacific Time to address the iPhone 4, and the company is widely expected to discuss the signal issues. Sources indicated earlier today, however, that Apple is not planning a recall of the device.

[mithrilG60]

I saw that too, the reality is that Apple has instructed the factory which makes the iPhone to install an internal device to better insulate the antennae from bridging interference (ie. your finger/hand touching two antennae's at once). Combine that with the fact that installing a bumper (ie. physically preventing your finger/hand from touching two antennae's at once) also solves the reception issue completely and it's plainly obvious that the fundamental issue is a flaw hardware design and a failure in Apple's hardware QA/QC process.

They may be able to mitigate the severity of the problem via software tweaks, but the core issue is still the hardware itself and no amount of publicity from Apple or it's fanboi horde (not saying you're one of them) will change that. Proof yet again that being an early adopter has it's perils.....

[MiamiE]

So basically you need a metal case or not use a case at all for this problem to be solved?

[Blueface]

So basically you need a metal case or not use a case at all for this problem to be solved?

Erick,
If you use a bumper or a case of some type, no issues.
I like the use of a case on mine.
I have the Belkin which is a very soft and flexible case and it works very well to not only protect the phone but also maintain the streamline of it and it does not bulk up the phone as other cases have with the 3 series.
So for me, the issue is there is no issue.
I downloaded the new update that corrects the bars and drove around town this morning with all full bars. Only place I have seen a drop of one is in my home. However, all calls are as normal. Have not lost one today at all.

Again, I guess I am truly lucky.

[MiamiE]

So this problem is for the users without a case be it plastic or metal. Who uses an iPhone without a case anyways?

[Blueface]

So this problem is for the users without a case be it plastic or metal. Who uses an iPhone without a case anyways?

Not I, hence no complaints here.
Go back on this thread and you will find Tony posted the Belkin cover he and I use.
I truly like it.

[newcigarz]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0956-rm-eng.jpg

[newcigarz]

or

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0966-rm-eng.jpg


oh and

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0972-rm-eng.jpg

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0975-rm-eng.jpg

[MiamiE]

Excellent!

[poker]

So this problem is for the users without a case be it plastic or metal. Who uses an iPhone without a case anyways?

As true as this may be, I think it comes down to principle. One would think that it should work fine without a case if one chooses not to use one if it was engineered correctly to begin with. The fact is that it does not work fine without a case (for many) which means there is either a software or hardware flaw, or both. A bumper case is really not a fix, but rather just a band-aid covering the actual production flaw. I believe this is what pissed many folks off the most.

[Scimmia]

Who uses an iPhone without a case anyways?

Most of them. People generally buy accessories like this with the phone, and Apple's numbers show that only 20% of uses bought a case with the iPhone4. If you have to buy a case separately to make a device work correctly, there's a problem.

The press conference was kind of funny, Jobs kept saying that every other smart phone has the same issue, but none of them have the problem with the exposed antennas like the iPhone 4. Apple and oranges.

[Blueface]

What can I say.

The company says you can have your money back if that is what you want.

If not, it will give you a bumper free. Now granted, while only around 20% bought the bumper with the phone, I can personally attest that was attributed to lack of supply. They ran out of them and folks were asking for it but not available. Had they been available, I assure you the number would have been significant that bought it. If you use a case like me, no issues.

Over 1.5 million units and to date, 15,000 complaints.

1,500,000 minus 15,000 means there are 1,485,000 non complainers, which translates to less than 1% of all users.

Does it suck? Perhaps for some. If it does, take it back, get your money and wait for the updated version. In the meantime, have a cigar while I continue to enjoy mine.

[BigAsh]

What can I say.

The company says you can have your money back if that is what you want.

If not, it will give you a bumper free. Now granted, while only around 20% bought the bumper with the phone, I can personally attest that was attributed to lack of supply. They ran out of them and folks were asking for it but not available. Had they been available, I assure you the number would have been significant that bought it. If you use a case like me, no issues.

Over 1.5 million units and to date, 15,000 complaints.

1,500,000 minus 15,000 means there are 1,485,000 non complainers, which translates to less than 1% of all users.

Does it suck? Perhaps for some. If it does, take it back, get your money and wait for the updated version. In the meantime, have a cigar while I continue to enjoy mine.

Well stated! :tu

[newcigarz]

Well stated! :tu

Yep.

I don't see iphone 4 changing my opinion of Apple products at all.

[MiamiE]

Tony or Carlos: DO any of your ATT stores have this phone in stock? None in Miami do and I am without a phone. Sold my iphone this afternoon!

[newcigarz]

Tony or Carlos: DO any of your ATT stores have this phone in stock? None in Miami do and I am without a phone. Sold my iphone this afternoon!

not any in my area. :td

[Blueface]

Tony or Carlos: DO any of your ATT stores have this phone in stock? None in Miami do and I am without a phone. Sold my iphone this afternoon!

Not around here Erick.
Online Apple Store shows shipping in 3 weeks.

[Sauer Grapes]

Guy at the genius bar today said he wouldn't be surprised if the conference was just to announce the white version of the iPhone 4. I doubt it and I'm sure that's what they tell them to say, if he even knows the real reason.

I'm guessing free bumpers and an extended exchange period, maybe, 30 days or so. Maybe a store credit in the amount of the bumper, but probably not.

Damn I'm good...

[mithrilG60]

Most of them. People generally buy accessories like this with the phone, and Apple's numbers show that only 20% of uses bought a case with the iPhone4.

I'd dispute that, you can't equate the number of cases sold at the time of the phone purchase to anything other than the number of case sold at the time of the phone purchase. That's especially true with a new device that is only just now starting to get very limited support from 3rd party case makers. My own anecdotal evidence (ie. what I see every day with my own 2 eyes) tells me that at least 70 - 80% of the previous gen iPhone's end up wearing cases of some kind. I see absolutely no reason why that would be any different for the iPhone4 given that it's got twice the breakable glass surface of the previous models.

If you have to buy a case separately to make a device work correctly, there's a problem.

Completely agree and Apple should be taking steps to address the real issue instead of offering a band-aid. That said, given that most people do end up putting cases on their phones does it really matter? Beyond the moral/ethical aspect, not really.

[Blueface]

Completely agree and Apple should be taking steps to address the real issue instead of offering a band-aid. That said, given that most people do end up putting cases on their phones does it really matter? Beyond the moral/ethical aspect, not really.

Seriously.
No offense intended.
What the heck do you mean?

They recognize the issue.
They are offering refunds if you are not pleased with the solution at this time.
They will offer you a refund if you bought a bumper.
They will offer you a free bumper if you want one.

Does anyone seriously believe they will not fix this problem eventually and are not already addressing it on new devices to be made?

In the interim, it is what it is. There is a flaw for some users. Not a flaw at all for many others, such as me.

I personally feel what Apple did today is responsible for a corporation to do when something has gone wrong. They stepped up to the plate. I don't know what more, short of a BJ, we can ask for at this point, and frankly, Steve Jobs wouldn't be the person I would want doing that.

[mithrilG60]

What do I mean? It's pretty simple, they've produced and sold a product that has an inherent hardware defect that significantly impairs the one of the primarily functions of the device (ie. Cellular voice and data transmission). While offering a bumper is great, it's just a bandaid solution that doesn't actually resolve the problem because it doesn't solve the hardware flaw in the millions of iPhone4's that have already left the factory.

Quite frankly they should have offered to replace the defective phones as upgraded hardware spec become available and offered the free bumpers as a interim stop gap to allow the affected customers to continue using the defective phones until the replacements are available. Afterall, it's not like this is a minor defect that only affects a non-essential function of the device. The ability to send and receive data is rather core to the purpose of this device.

[KenS]

What do I mean? It's pretty simple, they've produced and sold a product that has an inherent hardware defect that significantly impairs the one of the primarily functions of the device (ie. Cellular voice and data transmission). While offering a bumper is great, it's just a bandaid solution that doesn't actually resolve the problem because it doesn't solve the hardware flaw in the millions of iPhone4's that have already left the factory.

Quite frankly they should have offered to replace the defective phones as upgraded hardware spec become available and offered the free bumpers as a interim stop gap to allow the affected customers to continue using the defective phones until the replacements are available. Afterall, it's not like this is a minor defect that only affects a non-essential function of the device. The ability to send and receive data is rather core to the purpose of this device.

wow, and a pony? :D

[mithrilG60]

wow, and a pony? :D

Nope, just a unit that works as advertised and promoted. Just look at it this way, if Dell/HP/Acer/etc sold a laptop model that had a defective wireless nic that lost signal when you touched the laptop case.... would you be happy with a cover that prevented you from touching the case or would you expect the laptop to be replaced with updated hardware that wasn't defective? The iPhone4 and Apple are no different and don't get different rules just because it's an iPhone made by Apple.

[KenS]

Nope, just a unit that works as advertised and promoted. Just look at it this way, if Dell/HP/Acer/etc sold a laptop model that had a defective wireless nic that lost signal when you touched the laptop case.... would you be happy with a cover that prevented you from touching the case or would you expect the laptop to be replaced with updated hardware that wasn't defective? The iPhone4 and Apple are no different and don't get different rules just because it's an iPhone made by Apple.

I just think there is a big difference between what you call a 'defect' and what is truly a 'design' that you don't agree with. The fact that you can return it for a full refund is enough, such that you can go get one that has a design that you prefer.

If a small percentage (<1%) of people experienced the laptop issue you describe, and millions more did not experience it, would you demand that Dell/HP/Acer design a new one that met your expectations? What if you demanded a new design, and Apple simply designed a new piece of hardware that has a 'bumper' built in (similar to ALL other smart phones on the market), would that be deferent enough than putting a bumper on it yourself?

I understand that if you bought something that ends up being different than you expected, based on their advertising, then you should be able to return it. You can do that.

[KenS]

Bringing the topic closer to what this forum is about, if you get a cigar that is plugged, do you expect the manufacturer to recall all of their cigars, and hire different rollers? Or 'redesign' their cigars? I think that you might just smoke other cigars in the future, and that's not a bad option :tu

[longknocker]

Bringing the topic closer to what this forum is about, if you get a cigar that is plugged, do you expect the manufacturer to recall all of their cigars, and hire different rollers? Or 'redesign' their cigars? I think that you might just smoke other cigars in the future, and that's not a bad option :tu

Nice Comparison, Ken!:tu

[newcigarz]

wow, and a pony? :D

:r:r:r

[mithrilG60]

Bringing the topic closer to what this forum is about, if you get a cigar that is plugged, do you expect the manufacturer to recall all of their cigars, and hire different rollers? Or 'redesign' their cigars? I think that you might just smoke other cigars in the future, and that's not a bad option :tu

No, but we all know that the responsible B&M's who earn and deserve our business will replace that plugged cigar free of charge with another that is (hopefully) not plugged. So would most factories if you happen to live close enough to be buying directly from them. :tu

There is a big difference between producing a design which some people don't like, and personally I quite like the design of the new iPhone, and a design which has a serious and intrinsic flaw at the hardware level. The new iPhone is the latter.

[white_s2k]

I know 6 friends who personally own an iPhone 4 (including my wife), probably 2 dozen friends online (from iphone apps, games, etc), 3-4 customers at work, and the 3 employees working at Best Buy Mobile yesterday when I went to purchase the wife's iPhone 4.

I've asked every single one of these people since the release of the iPhone 4 if they have had any problems making phone calls or notice bad signal strength when on the phone. Know how many people said yes? ZERO

And do you know why? Because all of the people running around complaining about how bad the phone is online and in real life, DON'T OWN THE iPHONE 4!!! Seriously! Listen to someone rant about this antenna problem with the phone, and then ask if they personally own one and if they are speaking from first-hand experience. I'd bet ya a fiver that 9/10 would say no.

If this was a huge problem across the board I think we would all be pretty pissed off that we spent $200-$700 on a phone that can't make calls! I am perfectly happy with Apple's decision today, my wife will get a free phone cover and her phone will CONTINUE to work just fine, like it did today and the day before.

[KenS]

No, but we all know that the responsible B&M's who earn and deserve our business will replace that plugged cigar free of charge with another that is (hopefully) not plugged. So would most factories if you happen to live close enough to be buying directly from them. :tu


Yup, sort of like a ....



... wait for it ....



"full refund"!!

But would they also give you a pony? :D

[mithrilG60]

Care to explain exactly how expecting Apple to replace defective units with upgraded hardware as it becomes available instead taking the attitude of "either accept this band-aid for our defective hardware or return it and bugger off" is like wanting a refund and a pony too? I hate to break it to you but that's effectively what Steve Jobs announced today and it was a very arrogant attitude to take towards his customers. Apple dropped the ball on this device, period. While it's great that they're taking some measures to offer a solution to those customers who are affected by it, the real solution is to offer to replace the defective hardware.

That's what any reputable company that cares about keeping it's customers does. Offering a full refund instead of charging a restocking fee just let's people return your product. The people that take advantage of that offer are lost customers.... because they are highly unlikely to re-buy another iPhone on Jobs' announcement that the hardware problem has been "fixed". Seriously, I enjoy my iPhone 3Gs and think it's a great device and all but the whole "Apple mentality" of blindly accepting whatever His Jobs-ness throws out there just confounds me.

[KenS]

Care to explain exactly how expecting Apple to replace defective units with upgraded hardware as it becomes available instead taking the attitude of "either accept this band-aid for our defective hardware or return it and bugger off" is like wanting a refund and a pony too? I hate to break it to you but that's effectively what Steve Jobs announced today and it was a very arrogant attitude to take towards his customers. Apple dropped the ball on this device, period. While it's great that they're taking some measures to offer a solution to those customers who are affected by it, the real solution is to offer to replace the defective hardware.

That's what any reputable company that cares about keeping it's customers does. Offering a full refund instead of charging a restocking fee just let's people return your product. The people that take advantage of that offer are lost customers.... because they are highly unlikely to re-buy another iPhone on Jobs' announcement that the hardware problem has been "fixed". Seriously, I enjoy my iPhone 3Gs and think it's a great device and all but the whole "Apple mentality" of blindly accepting whatever His Jobs-ness throws out there just confounds me.

Well, personally, I don't expect Apple to release new hardware anytime soon. Again, I don't think this is a 'defect', so I don't expect there to be anything to replace it with (at least in the near term).

This has absolutely nothing to do with "Apple mentality" for me. Just because I think this is a tempest in a teapot doesn't mean it's 'blindly accepting' anything at all. It has nothing to do with a specific attitude toward Apple. My blackberry has similar behavior, but I also don't think they should be giving me a new one.

People think there are only "Apple Fanboys" and "Apple Haters" in the world. I suspect you'd find that most people are far less passionate about the company, and simply enjoy the nice products (or not), but they don't spend their time posting on message boards about it. Don't think for a minute that all the fanboys and haters on the internet are representative of the larger population (you know, that 99% of people who aren't complaining about this :))

Let me guess, you don't even have an iPhone 4, do you?

(by the way, I just happen to like ponies :D)

[white_s2k]

Seriously, I enjoy my iPhone 3Gs and think it's a great device and all but the whole "Apple mentality" of blindly accepting whatever His Jobs-ness throws out there just confounds me.

And so does the "Apple is the devil, they can't ever do anything right" mentality.

Your phone is defective? Take it back, get a refund. When new hardware comes out, go buy it. Jobs can't replace a phone today, there is nothing to replace it with.

[Sauer Grapes]

My iPhone has the issue. I have dropped calls because of it. Mostly it just causes bad reception when talking on the phone normally (digitalized voice), but if I am using headphones, it likes to drop the calls do to the way I hold it. I can get it to go from 5 bars to one on demand.

There, now you all know someone with the problem.

[KenS]

My iPhone has the issue. I have dropped calls because of it. Mostly it just causes bad reception when talking on the phone normally (digitalized voice), but if I am using headphones, it likes to drop the calls do to the way I hold it. I can get it to go from 5 bars to one on demand.

There, now you all know someone with the problem.

Gonna return it?

[LasciviousXXX]

My wife and I got our new iPhones the day they came out. I have not had ANY issues at all with reception or dropped calls since having the phone. I use it heavily on a daily basis. My wife's phone had issues with reception however. Naturally she holds her phone by the bottom whereas I hold mine by the side.

We were both planning on getting cases for our phones anyway so as soon as we got her a case (pink no less) her issues went away. Problem solved, for us at least.

Is it a glaring design flaw? Yes. Is it a problem for 99% of the phone population? I don't think so. Is Apple doing everything it can to fix the issue? No, but what they are doing is a step in the right direction.

It really isn't a big deal to me at all. The advances of what the 4 can do over my previous 3GS FAR outweigh this issue.

[smitdavi]

My wife and I got our new iPhones the day they came out. I have not had ANY issues at all with reception or dropped calls since having the phone. I use it heavily on a daily basis. My wife's phone had issues with reception however. Naturally she holds her phone by the bottom whereas I hold mine by the side.

We were both planning on getting cases for our phones anyway so as soon as we got her a case (pink no less) her issues went away. Problem solved, for us at least.

Is it a glaring design flaw? Yes. Is it a problem for 99% of the phone population? I don't think so. Is Apple doing everything it can to fix the issue? No, but what they are doing is a step in the right direction.

It really isn't a big deal to me at all. The advances of what the 4 can do over my previous 3GS FAR outweigh this issue.

What he said :D I love this phone and all the benefits far outweigh the negatives.

[Sauer Grapes]

Gonna return it?

And use what? I already sold my 3GS and am under contract until almost 2012 even if I return the 4. I'm going to wait and see. I'll try a case, and when they have sorted the issue out, I'll swap it for a refurb. Swaping it now wouldn't make sense because it'd just have the same issues.

[KenS]

And use what? I already sold my 3GS and am under contract until almost 2012 if I return the 4. I'm going to wait and see. I'll try a case, and when they sorted the issue out, I'll swap it for a refurb. Swaping it now wouldn't make sense because it'd just have the same issues.

I got a spare 3GS I'll trade you :D.

Seriously, I still think the bottom line is that it's a great phone, but it isn't perfect. Whether that qualifies as "defective" or not is what I think is overblown. I doubt there will be lines out the door with people seeking refunds; in fact, there's still a 3 week wait just to get one.

[shilala]

And use what? I already sold my 3GS and am under contract until almost 2012 even if I return the 4. I'm going to wait and see. I'll try a case, and when they have sorted the issue out, I'll swap it for a refurb. Swaping it now wouldn't make sense because it'd just have the same issues.
Paul, They still have brand new 3Gs's. I know that's a suck step backward, but if the problem is getting under your skin, it might be worthwhile.
A cover has worked for everyone I talked to. Just a silicone skin is supposed to do the trick. That's a cheap get around.
If I ever switch to the 4.0, I'll have an otterbox for it. I've had one on my 3GS since day one and when I take it out it's impossible to tell it from brand new. It's taken lots of good bounces, too.

More importantly, it's nice to see you around, brother. Long time no see!!! :)

[Sauer Grapes]

Well, I'll have a cover when one I like comes out. I'm waiting on otterbox unless I see something else I like. I wouldn't be able to go back to the 3GS without 1) having less capacity than I started with and 2) extended my contract the same amount as the 4 did. I probably don't have to say why that is unacceptable.

Don't get me wrong, overall I love the phone. I expected a few bugs from getting it this early, but the first job of a smartphone is to be a phone, so it sucks the bug affects that.

[mithrilG60]

Let me guess, you don't even have an iPhone 4, do you?

No, as mentioned above I have a 3Gs. I actually fall into the category you're talking about, I buy and use whatever tool happens to be the best for the job. Be that phone, OS, computer platform, whatever. I choose to give up a BB which my company paid for to move to a iPhone 3Gs which I pay for instead simply because it was a much better phone.

To deny that there is a hardware defect causing the reception issue with the iPhone4 is simply ignoring all the evidence presented from a large number of different sources. First it was a software problem, now it's a hardware problem that can be solved by a rubber band. Just in saying that is an implicit admission from Apple that there is a design defect that affects signal quality.

The issue for me has nothing to do with the phone itself, it's with the corporate attitude towards how Apple intends to deal with the problem. They don't need to work to sell their products to the people that line up around the block waiting for the AppleStore to open on launch day, or the people that will sit and hit refresh constantly to get on the pre-sale list. They do have to work to sell to people like me that base their purchase decisions on: a) the quality of the product, b) how well the company supports their product. The later includes taking the steps to make it right when there's a problem. Refusing to replace defective hardware and effectively saying "put a bandaid on it or give it back" is not taking the right steps...... and it will turn a large number of people off the company and it's products.

I love my 3Gs, there's not a chance in hell that I'll upgrade to a 4.... not because there may or may not be a reception issue in the unit I'd get, but because I have zero confidence that Apple would fix a problem of their own making if such a problem occurred. As a business you live and die by the reputation you build for customer service, someone should remind Apple of that fact.

[mithrilG60]

I love my 3Gs, there's not a chance in hell that I'll upgrade to a 4.... not because there may or may not be a reception issue in the unit I'd get, but because I have zero confidence that Apple would fix a problem of their own making if such a problem occurred. As a business you live and die by the reputation you build for customer service, someone should remind Apple of that fact.

The other thing is that this attitude in customers, myself included, extends to ALL that company's products... not just the one that initially had the problem.

[floydpink]

I'm just gonna wait a bit before getting the 4.

I own the 3 and can't comment on the 4's alleged reception problem other than to say that everyone I know that has the 4 loves it and isn't complaining about reception problems. Just the same, I'm cool with the 3 for now. Loved it when I got it, still do.

My phone is used a great deal for work and if the reception problem affected me and I was in the 1% complainer club, it could potentially cost me a great deal of business which would negate all the benefits of a sexy design with video conferencing and blazing fast speeds making Superman seem like a snail.

As far as Steve Jobs goes, I like his way of doing things a whole lot more than Bill Gates'.

I couldn't see Microsoft giving anything away nor admitting any problem in any of their products, let alone listening to the consumer while developing them.

[Blueface]

Paul, They still have brand new 3Gs's. I know that's a suck step backward, but if the problem is getting under your skin, it might be worthwhile.
A cover has worked for everyone I talked to. Just a silicone skin is supposed to do the trick. That's a cheap get around.
If I ever switch to the 4.0, I'll have an otterbox for it. I've had one on my 3GS since day one and when I take it out it's impossible to tell it from brand new. It's taken lots of good bounces, too.

More importantly, it's nice to see you around, brother. Long time no see!!! :)

Scott,
The irony is that the first time those folks that don't like the idea of a bumper drop their phone, they will be grateful the bumper was on, specially if one is anal about scratchers as I am.

My son is in NC this week and I shipped his to him via Fed Ex. He spent the whole night trying to replicate the reception problem with no skin and did not have any, so I guess it is just not us South Floridians that are fortunate.

Seems it is in certain markets. On the radio yesterday, they had a bunch of South Floridians call in with no issues while some in Manhattan called with many.

[newcigarz]

As far as Steve Jobs goes, I like his way of doing things a whole lot more than Bill Gates'.

I couldn't see Microsoft giving anything away nor admitting any problem in any of their products, let alone listening to the consumer while developing them.


Did I hear someone say Vista? :rolleyes:

[Blueface]

Bringing the topic closer to what this forum is about, if you get a cigar that is plugged, do you expect the manufacturer to recall all of their cigars, and hire different rollers? Or 'redesign' their cigars? I think that you might just smoke other cigars in the future, and that's not a bad option :tu

:r

Ken,
I think all would agree I would be the king of returns of plugged Habanos.:r

[Sauer Grapes]

Did I hear someone say Vista? :rolleyes:

The COO of MSFT actually said that he thinks the iphone 4 will be Apple's vista. MSFT is fully admitting that vista sucked now that 7 is out. 7 is nice, but I haven't used my PC enough to compare it to OSX.

[white_s2k]

Videos: death grip on EVO, Droid X, Droid Incredible, Nexus One, Galaxy 1, G1, etc.

* Droid X: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFc9vnocIzQ

* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k

* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag

* Samsung Galaxy 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

* Samsung Galaxy 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg

* Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk

* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH...eature=related

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA

* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA

* Nexus One: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.p...n_-_iPhone.m4v

* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

* Android G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M

* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem): http://www.google.com/support/forum/...9184c33e&hl=en

Everyone complaining about the iPhone, I certainly don't hear them demand an industry-wide recall. Let's just focus on Apple, the company who can do nothing right. Before the press conference yesterday people were saying, "Give free bumpers to everyone Steve!". He not only gives out free cases to every customer through Septemember 30, he says if you don't like the phone bring it back and we'll issue a full refund with no restocking fee. Nothing is ever good enough I tell ya.

[Blueface]

Videos: death grip on EVO, Droid X, Droid Incredible, Nexus One, Galaxy 1, G1, etc.

* Droid X: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFc9vnocIzQ

* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LROTHrTR92k

* HTC Evo Signal Attenuation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj2YBYTbag

* Samsung Galaxy 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

* Samsung Galaxy 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPCQdYtPihg

* Droid Incredible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaDE941PzQk

* Droid Incredible (With Network Extender in Room): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEQH...eature=related

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEIA_lMwqJA

* Nexus One vs. iPhone (start at 1:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvMoV4_C4aA

* Nexus One: http://posterous.com/getfile/files.p...n_-_iPhone.m4v

* Nexus One (after Google's update to correct): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

* Nexus One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deCkjeHYT-g

* Android G1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M

* "Major signal degradation when Nexus One is picked up" (N1 Thread on On this Problem): http://www.google.com/support/forum/...9184c33e&hl=en

Everyone complaining about the iPhone, I certainly don't hear them demand an industry-wide recall. Let's just focus on Apple, the company who can do nothing right. Before the press conference yesterday people were saying, "Give free bumpers to everyone Steve!". He not only gives out free cases to every customer through Septemember 30, he says if you don't like the phone bring it back and we'll issue a full refund with no restocking fee. Nothing is ever good enough I tell ya.

The reason you don't hear about this that you posted and the reason there are no press conferences to announce you can return it for full credit or you can be provided a free fix, which most of us would buy anyway to protect the device is..........................................


ready?............................................


drumroll..........................................


here it comes...................................


might be silly but true........................


NONE of them have sold 1.5 million in one week.:r


I wonder how many of all those devices listed actually have sold to date, in comparison to iPhone 4's in only a few weeks.

[aich75013]

I have only had one dropped call so far.
I did have a few hangups and it tried to switch to FaceTime but I realized that I somehow touched the screen with my face during the call to cause those things to happen. Once I realized what I was doing I kept the phone a little closer to my ear. I think a software update is supposed to fix that problem though.
Posted via Mobile Device

[newcigarz]

I think a software update is supposed to fix that problem though.
Posted via Mobile Device


yep

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0972-rm-eng.jpg

[Sauer Grapes]

The reason you don't hear about this that you posted and the reason there are no press conferences to announce you can return it for full credit or you can be provided a free fix, which most of us would buy anyway to protect the device is..........................................


ready?............................................


drumroll..........................................


here it comes...................................


might be silly but true........................


NONE of them have sold 1.5 million in one week.:r


I wonder how many of all those devices listed actually have sold to date, in comparison to iPhone 4's in only a few weeks.

As usual, Blueface is right on with his comment. Also, the iPhone's issue just happens to be in such a place that is making people drop calls depending on how they hold it.

Anyway, my bestskinsever skin has all but solved my issue. I can still get it to drop one bar, but the big drop is a lot harder to make happen now. It's really funny how sensitive that antenna is.

[Smokin Gator]

The new OtterBox cases are now available for order.

[Sauer Grapes]

The new OtterBox cases are now available for order.

Thanks for the heads up. I think I'll wait a week to see what apple is offering.

[newcigarz]

Apple launches free case program.
Bumpers and about 6 different cases available.


http://www.apple.com/iphone/case-program/

[AD720]

Apple launches free case program.
Bumpers and about 6 different cases available.


http://www.apple.com/iphone/case-program/

To qualify for this program, you must purchase your iPhone 4 by September 30, 2010.

This is very interesting. What happens on Sept 30th? :tf

New hardware design - iPhone 4.5? :hm Or do they sell all manufactured stock and then that's it until iPhone 5...very interesting.

[aich75013]

To qualify for this program, you must purchase your iPhone 4 by September 30, 2010.

This is very interesting. What happens on Sept 30th? :tf

New hardware design - iPhone 4.5? :hm Or do they sell all manufactured stock and then that's it until iPhone 5...very interesting.

Maybe they are planning on changing the antenna band only at that point.
Posted via Mobile Device

[replicant_argent]

the latest news in the last day or few is that t-mobile is very likely to have i4s available in the 3rd Q this year. Talks are evidently fairly advanced and quite high probability that they can reach and agreement.

[Chingas]

Ordered! 3-4 weeks... I can wait.

[AD720]

Maybe they are planning on changing the antenna band only at that point.
Posted via Mobile Device

the latest news in the last day or few is that t-mobile is very likely to have i4s available in the 3rd Q this year. Talks are evidently fairly advanced and quite high probability that they can reach and agreement.

All this plus the major hold up on the white iPhone4 has me thinking that there is a going to be some kind of mid-cycle design change.

[floydpink]

All this plus the major hold up on the white iPhone4 has me thinking that there is a going to be some kind of mid-cycle design change.

They're definitely not going to continue to make them with the problems that have caused so much headache.

Once the initial rush is over, stay tuned. I give it until just before Christmas and a redesigned one will be out. Just a hunch.

[Chingas]

They're definitely not going to continue to make them with the problems that have caused so much headache.

Once the initial rush is over, stay tuned. I give it until just before Christmas and a redesigned one will be out. Just a hunch.

That soon you think? Guess there's no option for 1st editioners to trade up for a reasonable price after this bumper give-away, huh?

[Sauer Grapes]

That soon you think? Guess there's no option for 1st editioners to trade up for a reasonable price after this bumper give-away, huh?

I think by redesign he didn't mean a new version of iPhone, but an i4 without the antenna problem.

[The Professor]

They're definitely not going to continue to make them with the problems that have caused so much headache.

Once the initial rush is over, stay tuned. I give it until just before Christmas and a redesigned one will be out. Just a hunch.
That will *only* be the case if it's on a different network ... and honestly, I'm not sure they have the time to do it because a new phone would have to be on shelves by the end of October to be in time for the holiday season. AT&T folks won't see a new phone until next June -- anything sooner would be admitting a bigger problem than they're willing to admit. As for September 30th, it's either a semi-arbitrary date (i.e., let's give customers 90 days to make up their minds) or it has something to do with these T-Mobile rumors. I think it's the former rather than the latter.

:2

[Wanger]

the latest news in the last day or few is that t-mobile is very likely to have i4s available in the 3rd Q this year. Talks are evidently fairly advanced and quite high probability that they can reach and agreement.

TMobile sucks! That's who I ditched when I got my iPhone, and wanted to be done with them for years. :D

I've had my i4 for almost 2 weeks now, and this thing is SWEET No antenna issues here, but then I had a case on it right away, and would have had a case on it, even if there weren't the antenna issues. I find it very fast, and the connectivity to wireless networks is great. :) ...and the screen...simply awesome!

[LasciviousXXX]

FYI, there are rumblings that the jailbreak for the iPhone 4 and all MC models of the 3GS will be released by this weekend :D

:tu

[MiamiE]

Is there a website with some pics of bumpers we can choose?

[LasciviousXXX]

Is there a website with some pics of bumpers we can choose?

Are you talking about for the free bumpers they're sending out or just what colors are the bumpers available in?

If its the free ones, you have to DL the iPhone free case app from the app store. It will list all avail cases you have to choose from. They are either black or clear btw.

[MiamiE]

Thanks!!!

[LasciviousXXX]

Thanks!!!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/LasciviousXXX/e833be44-1.jpg

;)

[Smokin Gator]

BTW... I got the new Otterbox case and am really happy with it. Granted I work outside and felt like I needed the ultimate protection case. This is it. A bit bulky, but I am not longer worried about damaging the phone!

[AlohaStyle]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/LasciviousXXX/e833be44-1.jpg

;)

Are you pointing out the iphone case app, or the Cigar Asylum app??? :)

[LasciviousXXX]

LOL, the Case program app he was asking about. But yeah, the CA one is pretty cool too :)

[MiamiE]

Belkin clear, or Speck pixelskin to go along with my Speck candyshell?

[AlohaStyle]

LOL, the Case program app he was asking about. But yeah, the CA one is pretty cool too :)

I notice you have a battery app that shows the percentage... which one do you use and would you recommend it? I just started looking into them...

[LasciviousXXX]

I notice you have a battery app that shows the percentage... which one do you use and would you recommend it? I just started looking into them...

It comes standard on the iPhone 4 :tu

And if I recall correctly the 3GS I had as well. Its in the settings.

[AlohaStyle]

It comes standard on the iPhone 4 :tu

And if I recall correctly the 3GS I had as well. Its in the settings.

Sweet, thanks! Never even knew about it... :tu

[Chingas]

Hey Tyr, answer your damn phone!

[LasciviousXXX]

LOL, ask anyone around here... getting me to answer my phone is nothing short of a miracle. Every time I get a call I'm never able to take it LOL

[CigarNut]

LOL, the Case program app he was asking about. But yeah, the CA one is pretty cool too :)Where do you get the CA app?? (I can't seem to find it in the App Store)