Dyed Wrappers on Cigars

NCRadioMan · 01-10-2010, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

The thing that gets me about this is people rag on cigarettes for the chemicals in them.

I'm no chemist, but what does burning this pigment produce?

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

I see what you're saying on that, coffee is an even better example because of how dark it gets.

However, in order for this to dye my hands instantly it was not the natural pigmentation of the cigar working it's way out of the leaf. This had to be something on the exterior of the leaf rubbing off.

Hmmm, I may need to try some 'lab tests' on this....

s15driftking · 01-10-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

my point exactly, well said!

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

Won't argue that.. but isn't that the difference between a physical reaction and a chemical reaction?

I'm talking it being burned, not submersed in water.

NCRadioMan · 01-10-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

Won't argue that.. but isn't that the difference between a physical reaction and a chemical reaction?

I'm talking it being burned, not submersed in water.

Ah, I see. That's a good question. I haven't a clue.

I would ask the same of propylene glycol. It's in alot of foods but it's also in alot of tobaccos.

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Ah, I see. That's a good question. I haven't a clue.

I would ask the same of propylene glycol. It's in alot of foods but it's also in alot of tobaccos.

I'm sure it's fine, but it definitely makes me wonder.

s15driftking · 01-10-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

Won't argue that.. but isn't that the difference between a physical reaction and a chemical reaction?

I'm talking it being burned, not submersed in water.

This is an honest question with no sarcasm.

Would it matter since you do not inhale a cigar? You aren't "ingesting" any of the toxins right?

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

This is an honest question with no sarcasm.

Would it matter since you do not inhale a cigar? You aren't "ingesting" any of the toxins right?

Just a guess here but I guess that would be like the nicotine, you don't inhale but it's still absorbed into the body.

Great discussion here!

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by s15driftking

This is an honest question with no sarcasm.

Would it matter since you do not inhale a cigar? You aren't "ingesting" any of the toxins right?

I think underneath your tongue is one of the most absorbent spots in all your body. At least I'm pretty sure.

Which is why people put the nitro capsules under their tongue in the event of a heart attack. Also why if my blood sugar goes too low for me to actually eat something (I'm a type 1 diabetic) and I don't have my emergency medication, my wife is to put sugar of some sort underneath my tongue, rather than forcing it down my throat and having me choke to death.

Also Nicotine is ingested without inhaling.

So while the toxins might not contribute to lung cancer, ... as I said it just makes me wonder

Vigiles · 01-10-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JE3146

I think underneath your tongue is one of the most absorbent spots in all your body. At least I'm pretty sure.

Which is why people put the nitro capsules under their tongue in the event of a heart attack. Also why if my blood sugar goes too low for me to actually eat something (I'm a type 1 diabetic) and I don't have my emergency medication, my wife is to put sugar of some sort underneath my tongue, rather than forcing it down my throat and having me choke to death.

Also Nicotine is ingested without inhaling.

So while the toxins might not contribute to lung cancer, ... as I said it just makes me wonder

Correct, underneath your tongue, your cheeks and gum area also absorbs things. We use glucose tubes for diabetics when their blood sugar is low, we put it on a stick and put it between their cheeks and gums.

bobarian · 01-11-2010, 03:45 PM

Wow, That's pretty ugly. In my thread on wetting cigars, I mentioned I had not done this with NC cigars. I guess we now know what can happen with some cigars.

T.G · 01-10-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption. But I'm talking about the natural pigment of the wrapper itself. Think of it like this, what happens when you submerge tea leaves. The water turns brown. Are the tea leaves dyed?

I believe the dye is actually often made from tobacco plant stalks, so they're basically just dying tobacco with concentrated tobacco juce tea.

Snake Hips · 01-10-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

I believe the dye is actually often made from tobacco plant stalks, so they're basically just dying tobacco with concentrated tobacco juce tea.

From everything I've read it's a molasses concoction. Makes it darker, adds sweetness.

T.G · 01-10-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Hips

From everything I've read it's a molasses concoction. Makes it darker, adds sweetness.

Possible, although I think the sugar content in molasses might cause some some severe carbonization issues both in appearance and flavor when burned.

I could see a combination of some percentage of both being used though.

JE3146 · 01-10-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

Possible, although I think the sugar content in molasses might cause some some severe carbonization issues both in appearance and flavor when burned.

I could see a combination of some percentage of both being used though.

Was just gonna say that myself.

T.G · 01-10-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by itsme_timd

Interesting info. Do my beloved LP's use any of this witchcraft???

I don't think so. Saka has emphatically stated that no treatments are performed on the LP9 nor T52 wrappers.

JJG · 01-10-2010, 03:16 PM

yeah, I know that the dye is natural and harmless, but there's still that psychological "ick-factor"

to me, dying cigars is similar to using a corked baseball bat. I understand why manufactures use dye, but when you see pictures like the ones in this thread, it makes you realize that consequences and backlash can be more damaging than the advantages you gain from using it.

itsme_timd · 01-10-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G

I believe the dye is actually often made from tobacco plant stalks, so they're basically just dying tobacco with concentrated tobacco juce tea.

Interesting info. Do my beloved LP's use any of this witchcraft???

SmokinApe · 01-10-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

If a dye is used, it's usually a food grade dye that is safe for consumption.

Consumption and combustion are two different things...

01-11-2010, 03:45 PM	#11
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Dyed Wrappers on Cigars Wow, That's pretty ugly. In my thread on wetting cigars, I mentioned I had not done this with NC cigars. I guess we now know what can happen with some cigars.

01-10-2010, 03:16 PM	#17
JJG Have My Own Room Join Date: Jan 2009 First Name: Jeff Location: Houston Posts: 1,260 Trading: (4)	Re: Dyed Wrappers on Cigars yeah, I know that the dye is natural and harmless, but there's still that psychological "ick-factor" to me, dying cigars is similar to using a corked baseball bat. I understand why manufactures use dye, but when you see pictures like the ones in this thread, it makes you realize that consequences and backlash can be more damaging than the advantages you gain from using it.