How are you doing at the tables (Poker Thread)?

JohnnyFlake · 11-13-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JKim

Kelly... that story my friend makes you want to play bad poker! LOL. I'm sure that was doh moment. Sorry to hear the session didn't go so well. I hope you didn't have your mind set on that Bad Beat jackpot.

Johnny, both of kelly's cards would have played on the board A A A 6 2. His 7 is the kicker for quad A's.

No! That's not the way it works in any casino I've ever played in, and I've been playing in them for over 40 years. Both cards must play, and not as a kicker! With 4 of a kind, you must have two of them in your hand! With any five card hand, it's obvious that both cards in your hand must be part of the actual winning hand.

poker · 11-13-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlake

No! That's not the way it works in any casino I've ever played in, and I've been playing in them for over 40 years. Both cards must play, and not as a kicker! With 4 of a kind, you must have two of them in your hand! With any five card hand, it's obvious that both cards in your hand must be part of the actual winning hand.

Actually it is the way its played. In Gardena CA casinos anyways.

The quads would constitute 4 cards and the 7 (since it's higher than any other card on the board not already being played) becomes the kicker.
So, in actuality, both hole cards are playing for the 5 card hand.

Now I know every casino sets their own rules, but in Southern CA many card casinos have that ruling.

JohnnyFlake · 11-13-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by poker

Actually it is the way its played. In Gardena CA casinos anyways.

The quads would constitute 4 cards and the 7 (since it's higher than any other card on the board not already being played) becomes the kicker.
So, in actuality, both hole cards are playing for the 5 card hand.

Now I know every casino sets their own rules, but in Southern CA many card casinos have that ruling.

If you say that's the way it is in CA., I cannot dispute that. The last time I played in a Poker Room in CA., was over 15 years ago, and there were no bad beat or high hand jackpots back then.

poker · 11-13-2008, 08:57 PM

http://www.hustlercasinola.com/a/fly...rogressive.pdf

JohnnyFlake · 11-14-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by poker

http://www.hustlercasinola.com/a/fly...rogressive.pdf

I called them to ask how their rule actually applied. I was told, that in their Casino, in the case of four of a kind, there can be three parts of the four of a kind on the table. For example, in their casino, there can be 3 Tens on the table and lets' say a nine and a jack. If your hole cards were a ten and either a jack, queen or king, you would have a valid hand. Your kicker must either tie or beat the other kickers on the table. In all other California Casinos the kicker in your hand must beat all other kickers on the table.

The person I was talking to said that they were the only ones who allowed a tie with the highest kicker to count as a winning hand. He also said that in Nevada, the rules were completely different. He agreed that both of the whole cards must be used to make up the four of a kind.

I learned something today!!!

poker · 11-14-2008, 04:56 PM

The Normandie casino in Gardena is also like that ($15K JP). They do however have a larger jackpot ($40K) if quads are beat by quads and both players have pocket pairs. Hit it during certain hours and it doubles.

This is my usual haunting grounds

http://www.normandiecasino.com/Tourn...M-PROG-JPT.jpg

JohnnyFlake · 11-14-2008, 07:29 PM

My post #35 above has troubled me for several hours now. Something about it does not make any sense to me, so I called them again, and I was again explained the same exact ruling on how their rule about the hole cards apply. So, what I explained above #35 is correct, based on their rules.

However, it makes no sense to me, and here is why. Using the example that I was given, 3 tens, a nine and a jack are on the table. Your holding the 4th ten and another card. According to their rules, the other card must be a jack, queen, king or ace for your hand to count. Their rule, as defined by them, states that your kicker must be equal to or higher than any other cards on the table, beside the 3 tens. In other words, your kicker must tie or beat the other kickers on the table for your hand to be considered a winning hand. That makes no sense, as you have 4 tens. No one else has four tens, therefore the kicker is irrelevant. It should make no difference what your kicker is, even a duce should be good. Kickers, by all poker rules, only come into play to break two or more hands that tie, and sometimes kickers will also tie and the pot is split. With any four of a kind hand, there can be no ties. Who ever has four of a kind, can never be tied with an equal hand. As a result the kicker is irrelevant!

11-13-2008, 08:57 PM	#4
poker 1:11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kelly Location: SoCal Posts: 5,280 Trading: (7)	Re: How are you doing at the tables (Poker Thread) http://www.hustlercasinola.com/a/fly...rogressive.pdf __________________ Cigar Asylum: A cigar board birthed without agendas, without profiting, and without advertisements. Amor puro Character is what you do when no one is watching

11-14-2008, 04:56 PM	#6
poker 1:11 Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Kelly Location: SoCal Posts: 5,280 Trading: (7)	Re: How are you doing at the tables (Poker Thread) The Normandie casino in Gardena is also like that ($15K JP). They do however have a larger jackpot ($40K) if quads are beat by quads and both players have pocket pairs. Hit it during certain hours and it doubles. This is my usual haunting grounds http://www.normandiecasino.com/Tourn...M-PROG-JPT.jpg __________________ Cigar Asylum: A cigar board birthed without agendas, without profiting, and without advertisements. Amor puro Character is what you do when no one is watching

11-14-2008, 07:29 PM	#7
JohnnyFlake Just an old Wiseguy! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: John Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 534 Trading: (18)	Re: How are you doing at the tables (Poker Thread) My post #35 above has troubled me for several hours now. Something about it does not make any sense to me, so I called them again, and I was again explained the same exact ruling on how their rule about the hole cards apply. So, what I explained above #35 is correct, based on their rules. However, it makes no sense to me, and here is why. Using the example that I was given, 3 tens, a nine and a jack are on the table. Your holding the 4th ten and another card. According to their rules, the other card must be a jack, queen, king or ace for your hand to count. Their rule, as defined by them, states that your kicker must be equal to or higher than any other cards on the table, beside the 3 tens. In other words, your kicker must tie or beat the other kickers on the table for your hand to be considered a winning hand. That makes no sense, as you have 4 tens. No one else has four tens, therefore the kicker is irrelevant. It should make no difference what your kicker is, even a duce should be good. Kickers, by all poker rules, only come into play to break two or more hands that tie, and sometimes kickers will also tie and the pot is split. With any four of a kind hand, there can be no ties. Who ever has four of a kind, can never be tied with an equal hand. As a result the kicker is irrelevant! __________________ A real man only needs Seven things in his life, Cigars, Women, Guns, Whiskey, Beer, Beans & Bacon!