Interesting read on misconceptions on Cuba

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by the nub

For example, the idea of credit is absolutely foreign for most of them.

I could also address the rest of the misconceptions you perceive but this one caught my eye most.

From the Spanish dictionary, the same one we use to learn the language in Cuba:

Crédito
masculine noun
1. loan (préstamo)
(comprar algo) a crédito -> (to buy something) on credit
crédito bancario -> bank loan
crédito blando -> soft loan
crédito al consumo -> consumer credit
crédito a la exportación -> export credit
crédito hipotecario -> mortgage (loan)
crédito oficial -> official credit
crédito personal -> personal loan
2. credit (plazo de préstamo)
3. trust, belief (confianza)
digno de crédito -> trustworthy
dar crédito a algo -> to believe something
¡no doy crédito a mis oídos! -> I can't believe my ears!
4. standing, reputation (fama)
5. credit (en universidad)
6. (Cine)
títulos de crédito -> credits

Certainly they must know the concept if found in the Spanish dictionary.
They use it regularly along with their bartering. Many barter on "credit" and pay up their end of the deal when their care package from Cubans in the US arrives or when they are able to. They just don't have a platinum visa like you and I but as we well know with the Americans in debt with credit cards, not a hard concept to quickly learn.
As they do in mythbusters, hopefully this one has now been busted.

[kaisersozei]

Yes it was an interesting read.

So is the footnote on this guy's webpage:

*World: could mean several things, including planet, but the planet isn't apparently nearing its end. Here, world means a construct of substances and conditions (stuff and circumstance) draped over the planet, extending a little below and a little above the surface, like a slightly inflated baggy, without which the thin surface smear of living vegetable and animal scum called life on earth cannot survive. This construct (the scum bag, or eco-system) is not flimsy and can even self adjust considerably, so the fate of this or that individual species may not be critical at all, but the over-all construct is more vulnerable than the planet it clings to, its viability as a life host does ultimately depend on its proportionate make-up as a construct, and with one cancerous ingredient (the human race and the human encampment, including all its side effects) already way overgrown and still growing wildly out of proportion, it - the world - is very obviously crashing. It's not going to stop crashing without draconian measures being taken - which aren't being taken - and won't be taken - and probably should have been taken long ago. And since all of humanity is in total denial about this - deaf, blind, speechless, and immobile - it's a done deal.

Smoke another doobie, dude.

[the nub]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Certainly they must know the concept if found in the Spanish dictionary.
They use it regularly along with their bartering. Many barter on "credit" and pay up their end of the deal when their care package from Cubans in the US arrives or when they are able to. They just don't have a platinum visa like you and I but as we well know with the Americans in debt with credit cards, not a hard concept to quickly learn.
As they do in mythbusters, hopefully this one has now been busted.

You can spin it any way you want.

[alley00p]

Since I've never been to the ISOM, I don't have any personal facts that I can share. I know that quite a few of our Canadian BOTLs have traveled to Cuba and I'm sure that they could shed some light on the conditions they have seen, while visiting.

I've read a lot about Cuba, but I've never seen the island described in the glowing terms that the blogger put in their "report". I have to take that so called factual report, with a grain of salt.

I found the various comments, while reading this thread very interesting.

Thanks for the original post!

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by the nub

You can spin it any way you want.

Please explain to me what you mean by this.
You said something illogical by saying in a very authoritative and misleading manner, based on you having been there, that Cubans have no idea of the concept of credit.
I disproved you.
How am I spinning anything?
If what you meant is they have no concept of the use of a credit card, would likely agree with you. However, that is not what you said.
Here are your words again:
For example, the idea of credit is absolutely foreign for most of them

For you to say I can spin it any way I want is very hard for me to not find that comment resentful and that is why this topic sucks a big one each and every time it arises and each and every time someone with little knowledge of our plight, experiences, tribulations, tries to tell a Cuban what is and what isn't about what they live each day.
So many foolishly seem so good at explaining accidents to eye witnesses and yet don't seem to listen to or believe what the real witness says.
You or anyone else on this planet don't want to accept what this Cuban and many others tell you about the truth, fine! Don't. Your choice.
I can't change anyone's mind. I can't ask you accept what I have to say. I can only offer my viewpoint to counter what I see as erroneous ones.
I just ask you be courteous enough to me as a CA member and as a Cuban exile to not call it "My Spin".

[the nub]

Originally Posted by Blueface

Please explain to me what you mean by this.
You said something illogical by saying in a very authoritative and misleading manner, based on you having been there, that Cubans have no idea of the concept of credit.
I disproved you.
How am I spinning anything?
If what you meant is they have no concept of the use of a credit card, would likely agree with you. However, that is not what you said.
Here are your words again:
For example, the idea of credit is absolutely foreign for most of them

For you to say I can spin it any way I want is very hard for me to not find that comment resentful and that is why this topic sucks a big one each and every time it arises and each and every time someone with little knowledge of our plight, experiences, tribulations, tries to tell a Cuban what is and what isn't about what they live each day.
So many foolishly seem so good at explaining accidents to eye witnesses and yet don't seem to listen to or believe what the real witness says.
You or anyone else on this planet don't want to accept what this Cuban and many others tell you about the truth, fine! Don't. Your choice.
I can't change anyone's mind. I can't ask you accept what I have to say. I can only offer my viewpoint to counter what I see as erroneous ones.
I just ask you be courteous enough to me as a CA member and as a Cuban exile to not call it "My Spin".

I will consider being polite when you stop telling me what I did or did not witness and experience on my many trips to Havana. Essentially you are saying the experiences and conversations that I have had did not exist. You seem to think that I'm some sort of Castro sympathizer who holidays in Varadero. How did you disprove me? How do you know who I've talked to? How do you know where I've stayed? Did I say ALL or EVERY in any of my OPINIONS? You say what you say as fact. How can it be fact if there is more than one side?!??!?! I go to Havana to see, learn and experience- without bias mind you. I have no political agenda. My great grandfather was shipped to Cuba in the late 1800's. Chinese laborers were treated worse than the slaves. Of course you knew that. Or maybe you will say that didn't happen. Obviously you know everything and everyone MUST agree with you or else he is wrong. I believe you are the one being resentful.

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by the nub

I will consider being polite when you stop telling me what I did or did not witness and experience on my many trips to Havana. Essentially you are saying the experiences and conversations that I have had did not exist. You seem to think that I'm some sort of Castro sympathizer who holidays in Varadero. How did you disprove me? How do you know who I've talked to? How do you know where I've stayed? Did I say ALL or EVERY in any of my OPINIONS? You say what you say as fact. How can it be fact if there is more than one side?!??!?! I go to Havana to see, learn and experience- without bias mind you. I have no political agenda. My great grandfather was shipped to Cuba in the late 1800's. Chinese laborers were treated worse than the slaves. Of course you knew that. Or maybe you will say that didn't happen. Obviously you know everything and everyone MUST agree with you or else he is wrong. I believe you are the one being resentful.

You my friend don't deserve the decency of a response beyond this.
You have done nothing but make suppositions here and you have admitted your intent to be inciteful.
I will hold back my words for you that I truly feel.
You are a new member to my ignore list. A very elite list indeed consisting of two plus you.
Have a good life.

Originally Posted by Blueface

You my friend don't deserve the decency of a response beyond this.
You have done nothing but make suppositions here and you have admitted your intent to be inciteful.
I will hold back my words for you that I truly feel.
You are a new member to my ignore list. A very elite list indeed consisting of two plus you.
Have a good life.

You have PNOON and Icehog on ignore!?

[Blueface]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

You have PNOON and Icehog on ignore!?

No way Tom as he is way too big to mess with.
Peter is quite far from me and can't get me that easily so yeah, he is one.
The other is James (Croatan) for being such a fan of Guantanamera cigars.
(You two know I am kidding - you were on my ignore but just took you off)

Gotta try that "ignore" thing more often.
Sure cuts down the the size of the page and amount of stuff to read.

[icehog3]

Originally Posted by ahc4353

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Did somebody say something?

[the nub]

Originally Posted by Blueface

You my friend don't deserve the decency of a response beyond this.
You have done nothing but make suppositions here and you have admitted your intent to be inciteful.
I will hold back my words for you that I truly feel.
You are a new member to my ignore list. A very elite list indeed consisting of two plus you.
Have a good life.

Get over yourself. Intent to be inciteful?

I think you should re-read your analogy about the green/white car. YOU are the one telling me that my car is green.

[Col. Kurtz]

A few photos from Havana for your enjoyment! (May 14 and others). I don't think I can comment without getting this closed down.

[wrench turner 85]

This paper is not worth wipping my a$$ with. granted that if the people are "happy" in cuba then why put this propaganda out, just leave it alone, this is not ponted at anybody in CA for the recored. people are going to beleave what they wont.