Packer fan thoughts

[RevSmoke]

OK, they are now officially 8-0. Did I really think it would go this long? No way. Let's face it, the defense is really stinking up the place - at least in yardage - they get the job done to win games, coming up with big plays to do so, but it is ugly.

I must say that I am pleased to be a Packer fan.

I have been a fan for my whole life. I remember the lean years after Lombardi left. I cheered for lackluster teams. I had individuals who were glimmering start in those dark times, and that made them fun to watch even then. And of course, hope springs eternal.

Then there were the 1990. Favre was fun to watch and the Pack was back. It was great to see them play and they had some great teams. Favre was an exuberant boy on the field, but he was just as likely to sink you as raise you to the heights of glory.

I must say that I am really enjoying watching Mr. Rodgers even more. You're not praying every time the ball leaves his hands, hoping it ends up in the hand of someone wearing green&gold.

I am also very enthused about James Starks, I think he could be very good.

I will admit that I am not sure where the Pack will go this year. I have great hopes, but I am also a realist. We cannot continue to play defense as we are, that's gotta stiffen up. Wherever it may be, I am expecting an exciting season.

Go Pack!

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[rebelknight]

I agree that the defense doesn't look great and they give up too many yards and in most games points. That being said I'm truly excited about this team because the offense looks as good as it can be and I think with 8 games left the defense still has time to right themselves. Also the defense has given up a lot but they have also made the big play when it matters in all of the close games. That kind of composure shouldn't be overlooked. So from a pure numbers stand point the defense is a little scary but from a play stand point they are coming out with the big plays late in the game. And I don't really care if it's by a point or 50 points, a win is still a win.

[Stephen]

My thoughts are that there's not one team in the NFL this year that looks, "complete". Sooner or later getting in all these shootouts is going to backfire, but it's nice seeing this team come out in the second half week in and week out and put the hammer down. What's bothersome is that they've looked pedestrian against the run the past few weeks, whereas nobody was running on them (effectively) in the beginning of the season. If teams can sustain drives by running the ball, they can play keep-away from Rodgers, much like teams have done with Manning in the past. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm more concerned about their deficiencies on run defense than their pass defense.

[IBQTEE1]

The game last night was crazy. I am glad that they were able to pull it off in the end. Proud to be a Cheesehead at heart.

[RevSmoke]

I agree that the defense doesn't look great and they give up too many yards and in most games points. That being said I'm truly excited about this team because the offense looks as good as it can be and I think with 8 games left the defense still has time to right themselves. Also the defense has given up a lot but they have also made the big play when it matters in all of the close games. That kind of composure shouldn't be overlooked. So from a pure numbers stand point the defense is a little scary but from a play stand point they are coming out with the big plays late in the game. And I don't really care if it's by a point or 50 points, a win is still a win.

A win is a win, this is most certainly true.

I just wish I didn't have to sweat it so bad, wondering if the "big" play is going to happen to stop a drive. I'd rather know that the D was going to step up and get it done.

[RevSmoke]

The game last night was crazy. I am glad that they were able to pull it off in the end. Proud to be a Cheesehead at heart.

Are you a Cheesehead? Or a Packer fan?

I am a Packer fan and I love cheese, all kinds of cheese.

However, I will never be a Cheesehead. Seriously, yellow Swiss cheese? That's just wrong. And it looks so corny on people's heads.

[RevSmoke]

My thoughts are that there's not one team in the NFL this year that looks, "complete". Sooner or later getting in all these shootouts is going to backfire, but it's nice seeing this team come out in the second half week in and week out and put the hammer down. What's bothersome is that they've looked pedestrian against the run the past few weeks, whereas nobody was running on them (effectively) in the beginning of the season. If teams can sustain drives by running the ball, they can play keep-away from Rodgers, much like teams have done with Manning in the past. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, I'm more concerned about their deficiencies on run defense than their pass defense.

This is true, there are no "complete" teams.

I hope the shoot-out method doesn't backfire, but you are probably correct.

Although, I don't know that the Manning scenario fits, for he didn't have as many weapons to throw to as does Mr. Rodgers.

I also want it clearly stated that I have problems with the defense, PERIOD! Run defense stinks the last few weeks, and the pass defense hasn't been decent all season.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[shilala]

In my eyes, I can't see anything but replay of Super Bowl 45 this year.
If that does pan out, the Pack's lack of defense and the improvements in Pittsburgh's offense is going to make the difference.
I have to say that I am enjoying NFL football more this year than any of the past five. The parity is such that any team can win any week. There is so much individual talent that every week a new, almost unheard of player steps up and makes a huge impact. There are no juggernauts, just a lot of really good football.
I'm getting so much pleasure out of watching these small, special groupings. Rodgers and Jennings. Roethlisberer and Antonio Brown. Tom Brady and Aaron Hernandez and Ron Gronkowski. Cam Newton!!! Wow. Carson Palmer finally getting a long-awaited chance to make a difference.
There are so many young quarterbacks cutting their teeth, Jackie Battle is an emergent great big back who could be this generation's John Riggins. I could go on forever.
This year has so much more than just "root for the home team". It's just incredible, frustrating, elating, exciting, and full of drama.
And now TO is in trouble again and Dez Bryant is replacing TO in the crazy department. YES!!!
God, how I love football. :D

[RevSmoke]

Scott, you are correct in the fact that there is a lot of crazy talent emerging and a bunch of good football to watch. But, I'm still a Packer-fan-addict.

[larryinlc]

You know, I'm probably the most nervous Packer fan on the planet. These games decided as time expires are going to kill me.:) Towards the middle of the 3rd quarter of last nights game, I couldn't take it any longer. I had to get in my car, drive around town and listen to a Keb Mo cd. Due to the fall back stuff with the time, it was totally dark outside. An observation I noted.....EVERYBODY in town now has a massive big screen television and they all had them tuned to the Packers. As I passed house after house, it became obvious that I could not drive by without pausing and taking a look. It's surprising how easy it is to watch a game and actually catch the score from the street. No, I'm not a peeping Tom.:D I couldn't help myself. Some sort of Packer fan instinct, I guess. I finally decided it would be best to listen the rest of the game on the radio. A nice ending for me, but it did give me a bunch more gray hairs.

Just so you know, I live and die by the Packers but they do create quirky tendencies that I'm not terribly willing to admit. I'm a fan.

Another thought. Those with incredibly large flat panel displays really ought to close their shades at night.

Larry

[shilala]

Scott, you are correct in the fact that there is a lot of crazy talent emerging and a bunch of good football to watch. But, I'm still a Packer-fan-addict.

Oh, I get that completely. I love my Steelers something awful. It's hard for me to find something to wear that doesn't say Steelers on it and I married the only woman in the world who loves the Steelers and football as much as me (it was the first question on the datin application I made her fill out, lol.)
I'm just ecstatic how good football has been as a whole this year.
Between three fantasy teams, two 33 leagues, two survivor leagues, constant rotowire text messages on my phone, four newsfeeds on my desktop homepage, a solid 12 hours in front of the tv every Sunday and my Monday night games, and an HD antenna I mounted so I can get all the secondary market broadcasts, I qualify as a pretty good all-around fan, too. :D

[Stephen]

This is true, there are no "complete" teams.

I hope the shoot-out method doesn't backfire, but you are probably correct.

Although, I don't know that the Manning scenario fits, for he didn't have as many weapons to throw to as does Mr. Rodgers.

I also want it clearly stated that I have problems with the defense, PERIOD! Run defense stinks the last few weeks, and the pass defense hasn't been decent all season.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
Sure he didn't/doesn't have as many weapons (who does?) but the philosophy of, "keep away" is the same. If Rodgers isn't on the field, he can't score points.

[RevSmoke]

Sure he didn't/doesn't have as many weapons (who does?) but the philosophy of, "keep away" is the same. If Rodgers isn't on the field, he can't score points.

I will grant you, that is a complet truism.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[Stephen]

I will grant you, that is a complet truism.

Peace of the Lord be with you.
The Packers this year remind me of the 2009 New Orleans Saints. Shaky defense that was propped up by causing a lot of turnovers, and a quarterback playing out of this world. Let's hope the end results are the same.:)

[SmokeyJoe]

Glad you are enjoying the season thus far. I am not a Packers fan - but certainly not a hater. I like the way Rodgers goes about his business.

Blessings on you and yours, Todd!

:ss

[14holestogie]

While 8-0 is an amazing feat, a fantastic play not realized in a few of those games and we could be 4-4 or worse. We talk about correcting the problems and getting the holes shored up, but I'm not seeing it yet.
I just believe if this keeps up, the "bend-but-don't-break" philosophy won't hold up come play-off time. Hope they prove me wrong. :2

[shilala]

Sometimes the bounces go your way the whole season, right up until they call you the 2010 Patriots. (14-2, out in the first round of the playoffs.)
I was gonna say the 2007 Pats, but they had a good defense. Still, they needed all the bounces they could get to get to 18-0, and just needed one more in the 14-17 loss to the Giants in the Super Bowl. The well was dry.

A couple losses are going to serve them good. They have the 30th softest schedule in football with only the Vikes and Bears being softer.
Despite that they're giving up hoardes of points to mediocre teams and winning by small margins.
That's spooky.
It'd make for more confidence if they were really tested. I mean REALLY tested. Weeks 12-17 don't look like a cakewalk with some of those teams starting to put themselves together and getting confidence. Two matchups with the Lions, it's going to be tough to take both if the Lions can put up some points.

I'm not sure what's up with you' guy's D, whether you've got lots of injuries or a lousy coordinator or if it's the player quality. I can't believe it's your ball players, there's too much pride in that organization for guys to be dragging their feet.

Regardless, you guys have a STELLAR offense that's a joy to watch. You can't help but love every bit of Aaron Rodgers, he's awesome. No matter whether they bring home the trophy again this year, you're definately getting your money's worth.
We'll be happy to hoist the newest version of Lombardi hardware in Burgh. You guys can swing by and see it. :D

[SteelCityBoy]

The Pack looks unstoppable this year but I must admit that defense is going to have to tighten up if they are going to make another deep run. I would really love to see a rematch of last years Super Bowl but there is a long road still ahead. We will have to see what shakes out but in so many recent years past the team that looks like the clear favorite always seems to fade and bail out of the playoffs on an early note. We can only wait and see....

Should be an exciting second half of the season for us all!

[Stephen]

A couple losses are going to serve them good. They have the 30th softest schedule in football with only the Vikes and Bears being softer.
Which is drug down by playing a two win Carolina and Minnesota team and a one win St. Louis team. They've played four quality opponents this season (New Orleans, Chicago, Atlanta, San Diego) and have beaten them all. If you look around, not many teams can make that claim (Baltimore if you count both Steelers wins, but that's about it).
Despite that they're giving up hoardes of points to mediocre teams and winning by small margins.
Small margins? They lead the league in +/-...
We'll be happy to hoist the newest version of Lombardi hardware in Burgh. You guys can swing by and see it. :D
Pretty big talk for a team that's third in it's own division and has only beaten one team worth a warm bucket of spit.:D

[RevSmoke]

Blessings on you and yours, Todd!

:ss

And with you and yours as well. :tu

[RevSmoke]

I don't think that defensively there are injury problems, coordinator problems, or lack of talent.

I heard someone make a statement today that has a ring of truth to it.

It went something like... "The Pack defense knows what the offense will do, so they're only playing lackluster. When they know they need a stop they do it. But, they don't yet feel the need, so why expend the same effort."

If you watch, you could almost get that impression.

I don't know what to say.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[shilala]

The Steelers seem to play that way on both sides of the ball. It's maddening.
Just look at the loss this weekend. They had the whole game to put the game away, all the chances in the world. It's like there's no urgency or killer instinct.
It used to be they'd come out and step on your neck and not let you up for 60 minutes. Now they'd rather dance and have a nice cup of espresso.
In the end I suppose it boils down to "who wants it most?" It just doesn't seem like that anymore.

I suppose we have to realize that the guys don't practice nearly as much as they used to and get far fewer reps to get their timing together. That's why tandems like Rodgers and Jennings are so important and successful. They have years of experience together, tons of reps, they think alike, they're on the same page, and each one knows what the other is going to do.
Lots of the guys on these clubs are just feeling around in the dark compared to how they used to get prepared. It's hard to develop a locker-room spirit if the guys are never in the locker room, ya know?

[RevSmoke]

I think my youngest, Timothy, hit it on the head too. "Practice once a week with full pads? Geez, I wish we had it that easy. And I'm not even paid as a high school freshman. How can you be good at hitting if you don't practice it? Maybe that's why the tackling sucked on Sunday."

Hmm? Is the new CBA part of the problem?

[Stephen]

I think my youngest, Timothy, hit it on the head too. "Practice once a week with full pads? Geez, I wish we had it that easy. And I'm not even paid as a high school freshman. How can you be good at hitting if you don't practice it? Maybe that's why the tackling sucked on Sunday."

Hmm? Is the new CBA part of the problem?
But it's a problem that's equally shared by all 32 teams so I refuse to use that as an excuse when there are teams out there that are tackling well. If anything, if I were to venture a guess as to why our pass defense took about 18 steps back this season from the past couple, it's the pass rush (or lack thereof). Cullen Jenkins is now registering sacks on the dream team, and there's nobody opposite Matthews to put any heat on the quarterback. Matthews had as many sacks in the first five quarters last year as he does in half a season this year. He's putting consistent pressure on the quarterback, but there's nobody there to clean it up or vice versa.

[RevSmoke]

I wasn't ever really sure why we let Cullen Jenkins go.

[shilala]

I wasn't ever really sure why we let Cullen Jenkins go.
Because the Eagles were willing to give him 5 million a year and Green Bay wanted his services for 4 million a year, maybe?
Maybe they figured since they got to the Super Bowl without him they could do without him (even though he was back for the end of the season)?
I'd guess it goes right back to point 1. Money.

[Stephen]

I wasn't ever really sure why we let Cullen Jenkins go.
I guess in Ted Thompson's infinite wisdom he thought some combination of Neal (who's quickly joining Justin Harrell in the candybone HOF)/Wilson/Wynn/Guy could fill the void. That, and he knew he had to save some coin somewhere to get some guys locked up long term, which is still a work in progress.

[Stephen]

Because the Eagles were willing to give him 5 million a year and Green Bay wanted his services for 4 million a year, maybe?
Maybe they figured since they got to the Super Bowl without him they could do without him (even though he was back for the end of the season)?
I'd guess it goes right back to point 1. Money.
This is one area that I'm envious of the Steelers. Ziggy Hood and Cameron Heyward are going to make sure that the Steel Curtain is alive and well for years to come. Yes, the Packers have Raji and I wouldn't trade him for darn near anyone, but there's nothing (young) of worth at DE.

[RevSmoke]

Because the Eagles were willing to give him 5 million a year and Green Bay wanted his services for 4 million a year, maybe?
Maybe they figured since they got to the Super Bowl without him they could do without him (even though he was back for the end of the season)?
I'd guess it goes right back to point 1. Money.

I guess in Ted Thompson's infinite wisdom he thought some combination of Neal (who's quickly joining Justin Harrell in the candybone HOF)/Wilson/Wynn/Guy could fill the void. That, and he knew he had to save some coin somewhere to get some guys locked up long term, which is still a work in progress.

This is one area that I'm envious of the Steelers. Ziggy Hood and Cameron Heyward are going to make sure that the Steel Curtain is alive and well for years to come. Yes, the Packers have Raji and I wouldn't trade him for darn near anyone, but there's nothing (young) of worth at DE.

I hope your 2nd quote pans out and someone steps up opposite Matthews to give some stress to quarterbacks.

Yes, money is a big motivator.

[Stephen]

I hope your 2nd quote pans out and someone steps up opposite Matthews to give some stress to quarterbacks.

Yes, money is a big motivator.
The last I looked, the three players that had the most sacks on the team after Matthews were the two inside linebackers and a safety. No bueno.

[MarkinAZ]

Packers are looking unstoppable tonight as they just scored another TD to make it 24-0 over the Vikings. Their "D" looks up to par as well.

If #74 Marshall Newhouse can just get it together against Jarred Allan, we'll be better at the "O".

[cort]

Packers are looking unstoppable tonight as they just scored another TD to make it 24-0 over the Vikings. Their "D" looks up to par as well.

If #74 Marshall Newhouse can just get it together against Jarred Allan, we'll be better at the "O".



I have no stake in this game as I am not a fan of either squad but Jared Allen is one bad motha F-er!:banger

[MarkinAZ]

I have no stake in this game as I am not a fan of either squad but Jared Allen is one bad motha F-er!:banger

Dudes pure energy. Just don't want him chasing my a$$. Just sayin:D

[rebelknight]

Packers are looking unstoppable tonight as they just scored another TD to make it 24-0 over the Vikings. Their "D" looks up to par as well.

If #74 Marshall Newhouse can just get it together against Jarred Allan, we'll be better at the "O".



Spoke a bit too soon. I bet Cobb wishes he had that one back. I do like how he responded by just exploding on the following kick off though. The kid has excellent potential. Even with the muffed punt Packers rolling as I expected. Really enjoying this game.

[cort]

Dudes pure energy. Just don't want him chasing my a$$. Just sayin:D



I'm with you on that one, Mark.

[MarkinAZ]

I'm with you on that one, Mark.

:D...He can chase Wii' a$$ though:tu

[Giant & 49er Fan]

Enjoying Rodgers sealing my FF Victory! Also hope the Packers are undefeated when we beat them in the NFC Championship in Green Bay! NINERS!!!!!

[tupacboy]

packers vs pats in the superbowl would be insane!!

[MarkinAZ]

Enjoying Rodgers sealing my FF Victory! Also hope the Packers are undefeated when we beat them in the NFC Championship in Green Bay! NINERS!!!!!

Not in Green Bay Jaime:tu

[MarkinAZ]

Packer "D" came to play tonight. Nice:tu

[RevSmoke]

What a great game to be at last night. Lambeau was electric. Everybody was stoked. OK, not everybody. The Vikings fans who were present were strangely subdued last night. Don't now why? They are normally pretty boisterous and boastful.

Oh yeah. 45-7. Guess they didn't have much to say.

[Stephen]

What a great game to be at last night. Lambeau was electric. Everybody was stoked. OK, not everybody. The Vikings fans who were present were strangely subdued last night. Don't now why? They are normally pretty boisterous and boastful.

Oh yeah. 45-7. Guess they didn't have much to say.
Mercy.:<

[RevSmoke]

Mercy.:<

:)

[RevSmoke]

There is a local pastor at the church which has a school where my wife teaches and both my sons attended, who is a huge Vikings fan. Had a meeting with him on Sunday, he was bragging about how the Vikings were going to kick Packer butt.

I called him when the Pack scored the touchdown to put them at 37-7 and said, "Dan, wish you were here." He was not in the best of moods.

[macsauce13]

Hey folks, I've mentioned before that Tim Masthay and his wife are good friends, and thought you might enjoy a picture she recently showed me!

This is them at Halloween, left to right its Aaron Rodgers, Tim, and Brett Goode.
http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv324/macsauce13/packers.jpg

[RevSmoke]

Cool pic there.

[macsauce13]

Aaron and Brett dyed their hair red in support of Tim. :r

[RevSmoke]

Well, they looked really good against the Raiders. Again, the defense was tough for a bit, then they were letting them gain yards at will. Yes, I know that they come up with big plays and take the ball away. But, what happens when they fail to do that? The defense worries me... BIG TIME!!!

[Stephen]

What are my thoughts? Same as last year around this time...
That being said, still waaaaaay bitter about not picking up Marshawn Lynch. Couldn't give up a 3rd rounder for Marshawn Lynch Mr. Thompson? Really?:bh
And what did we draft with that third round pick you ask? A freaking runningback. Eesh...:hn

Marshawn Lynch: 969 yards, 9 TD's
Starks & Grant combined: 966 yards, 3 TD's

You know how easy it should be to run in Green Bay? You know how difficult it must be to run in Seattle? But I digress...

[14holestogie]

What are my thoughts? Same as last year around this time...

And what did we draft with that third round pick you ask? A freaking runningback. Eesh...:hn

Marshawn Lynch: 969 yards, 9 TD's
Starks & Grant combined: 966 yards, 3 TD's

You know how easy it should be to run in Green Bay? You know how difficult it must be to run in Seattle? But I digress...

I'll take our 47 total touchdowns to Seattle's 25 total touchdowns, even if it means we give away 6 rushing td's. :) Seattle has what, 5 guys scoring? We have 10+.

[Stephen]

I'll take our 47 total touchdowns to Seattle's 25 total touchdowns, even if it means we give away 6 rushing td's. :) Seattle has what, 5 guys scoring? We have 10+.
Exactly my point. As crappy as Seattle is, he's still beasting. I can only dream of what he'd be doing in Green Bay right now.

[RevSmoke]

What are my thoughts? Same as last year around this time...

And what did we draft with that third round pick you ask? A freaking runningback. Eesh...:hn

Marshawn Lynch: 969 yards, 9 TD's
Starks & Grant combined: 966 yards, 3 TD's

You know how easy it should be to run in Green Bay? You know how difficult it must be to run in Seattle? But I digress...

I'll take our 47 total touchdowns to Seattle's 25 total touchdowns, even if it means we give away 6 rushing td's. :) Seattle has what, 5 guys scoring? We have 10+.

Exactly my point. As crappy as Seattle is, he's still beasting. I can only dream of what he'd be doing in Green Bay right now.

And what would it have cost us in cap $$? Would we have what we have in other places if we'd have taken him over the 3rd round draft pick? I cannot say, I haven't figured that one out. But, are we hurting for it?

Personally, I'd have liked to see us get someone opposite Matthews for some pressure on the QB. Defense is where we need help, not offense.

[Stephen]

And what would it have cost us in cap $$? Would we have what we have in other places if we'd have taken him over the 3rd round draft pick? I cannot say, I haven't figured that one out. But, are we hurting for it?

Personally, I'd have liked to see us get someone opposite Matthews for some pressure on the QB. Defense is where we need help, not offense.
Todd, the Packers drafted a runningback with the third round pick that Buffalo wanted; Alex Green. This makes it all the more frustrating for me as a fan.

To answer your other question, Lynch is only making $1.16 million this year (and next).

Are we hurting now? Not in the wins column. But a solid run game would protect the defense and be a wonderful compliment to the aerial attack come playoff time.

[RevSmoke]

Todd, the Packers drafted a runningback with the third round pick that Buffalo wanted; Alex Green. This makes it all the more frustrating for me as a fan.

To answer your other question, Lynch is only making $1.16 million this year (and next).

Are we hurting now? Not in the wins column. But a solid run game would protect the defense and be a wonderful compliment to the aerial attack come playoff time.

Yeah, I understand. I thought he was making more than that. I agree that a run game would be a great compliment to the aerial attack - now even, long before the play-offs. I still think we should have looked at a DE or another OLB.

Glad we can disagree on this and still get along. :D

Go Pack!

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[Stephen]

Yeah, I understand. I thought he was making more than that. I agree that a run game would be a great compliment to the aerial attack - now even, long before the play-offs. I still think we should have looked at a DE or another OLB.

Glad we can disagree on this and still get along. :D

Go Pack!

Peace of the Lord be with you.
I don't disagree that the Packers should've taken a front seven player with that pick, it was obvious even last year that the spot opposite Matthews was (is) a problem. My gripe is, since they used that pick on a runningback, why couldn't they have upped it for Lynch? They'd be a better balanced team, that's for sure.

[14holestogie]

My point was there is only so much that the ball can be spread around. I'm not sure Lynch would have had as many chances to score. We score from outside the red zone as much or more as inside the red zone, and we've got 4 from Kuhn and 1 from Raji to go along with the 3 from Starks and Grant.
That's 8 to Lynch's 9. Not saying he wouldn't have been an improvement, but there's only so many touches available.

Then who's to say what he does to the chemistry of the team. I like what Ted's building from within. :tu

[Stephen]

My point was there is only so much that the ball can be spread around. I'm not sure Lynch would have had as many chances to score. We score from outside the red zone as much or more as inside the red zone, and we've got 4 from Kuhn and 1 from Raji to go along with the 3 from Starks and Grant.
That's 8 to Lynch's 9.
I wouldn't care if he scores touchdowns or not. I want a guy who can come in and move the chains to protect the lead and protect the defense. But for the sake of, "argument" (nobody of course is arguing) I'd simply counter with these two things:

1. 24 of Rodgers 39 touchdown passes this season have occurred in the red zone (not to mention his two rushing touchdowns)
2. Lynch has scored 9 rushing touchdowns (and one receiving touchdown) on a terrible offense. Not a stretch to think he could exceed those numbers in Green Bay (if needed).
Not saying he wouldn't have been an improvement, but there's only so many touches available.
Marshawn Lynch has 225 carries this season. Grant/Starks have a combined 229. I think the Packers would've been able to find a respectable number of touches for him. Further, it was brought up earlier about the salary cap. If the Packers trade for Lynch last season, the Packers aren't paying Grant this season, saving the team a net $1.5 million.
Then who's to say what he does to the chemistry of the team. I like what Ted's building from within. :tu
Mr. Thompson's done a wonderful job, but he's far from infallible. He's done a poor job evaluating and drafting defensive line talent (save Raji, who fell in his lap) and hasn't done a lot with the linebacking corps, either. It's also my opinion (again, just my opinion) that he missed the boat with Lynch, which was further evidenced by him spending yet another early pick on a runningback this year (Brandon Jackson and now Alex Green). If anything, he's taken careful note to make sure that he doesn't make the same mistakes his predecessors did; having a stud quarterback but not providing him with weapons or decent protection (see: Favre, Brett).

[14holestogie]

It is odd that we are "arguing" on the precipice of a perfect season.
If it happens, are we going to "argue" we could have been "perfecter"?;)

[Stephen]

It is odd that we are "arguing" on the precipice of a perfect season.
If it happens, are we going to "argue" we could have been "perfecter"?;)
There's always room for improvement, brother.:tu

But in all reality, this is just an old axe I have to grind with Ted Thompson. I'm a stakeholder now, so next year I'll go up and voice my displeasure in person.:r

[RevSmoke]

The stock cert I have was sold to my grandfather for $20. I believe it is from the 2nd sale back in the 50s.

[deaster25]

I wouldn't care if he scores touchdowns or not. I want a guy who can come in and move the chains to protect the lead and protect the defense.

Packers are second in the league in First downs per game.


Marshawn Lynch has 225 carries this season. Grant/Starks have a combined 229.

If Marshawn Lynch was a Packer he wouldn't have anywhere near 225 carries this season. Green Bay is a passing team who has the best receiver corps in the League. I don't understand the obesession with Lynch he is barely a top 10 running back and he is better suited at a team who needs a runing back.

[Stephen]

Packers are second in the league in First downs per game.
That's great. Still doesn't detract from my argument. The Packers don't have a runningback (or a collection of runningbacks) that they can hand the ball off to late in the game to chew up the clock and protect the lead/defense. Marshawn Lynch is that kind of back, as he showed (yet again) on Monday night.
If Marshawn Lynch was a Packer he wouldn't have anywhere near 225 carries this season.
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion since Grant/Starks have combined for more attempts this season than Lynch. It's not a stretch to project him having somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 carries at this point in the season. Just to take it a step further, in 2009 when the Packers had a primary back (Grant), he had 282 carries with Rodgers attempting more passes per game than he is on pace for this season. Lynch would've filled that roll perfectly, and done it better than Grant did in 2009.
Green Bay is a passing team who has the best receiver corps in the League.
No argument here.
I don't understand the obesession with Lynch he is barely a top 10 running back
Yeah, because God forbid the Packers have a (young) top ten runningback at their disposal that actually would've saved the team $1.5 million dollars this season. What am I thinking?:rolleyes:
and he is better suited at a team who needs a runing back.
I would love to know how Grant/Starks are better suited to this team, when Lynch literally does everything better on the football field than either one.

[deaster25]

I would love to know how Grant/Starks are better suited to this team, when Lynch literally does everything better on the football field than either one.

The facts are that Green Bay mostly only runs the ball when they need to run time off of the clock and so far there has been no problem doing that.

The Packers have scored the most points in the league and are 23rd in the league in plays from scrimmage. Anytime a team can score that fast the other team is going to have more tries to score points therefore are going to.

Last we are Packers fans why complain and argue about what could have been when obviously something is going right nothing should take the focus away from the amazing season that they have had, just enjoy it like the rest of us.

[RevSmoke]

So, what are the thoughts for score of Sunday's game?

Packers win 38-16

[Emjaysmash]

So, what are the thoughts for score of Sunday's game?

Packers win 38-16

Who are we beating... er playing, again?

[deaster25]

So, what are the thoughts for score of Sunday's game?

Packers win 47-9!

[deaster25]

Who are we beating... er playing, again?

Kansas City Chiefs

[Stephen]

The facts are that Green Bay mostly only runs the ball when they need to run time off of the clock and so far there has been no problem doing that.
They've let teams sneak back into games all season due to the lack of ability to eat up the clock coupled with a porous defense. How many times have they been bailed about by a timely interception with their backs against the wall? Sorry, I'm not nearly as confident as you seem to be in that continuing. At some point, the clock strikes midnight.
The Packers have scored the most points in the league and are 23rd in the league in plays from scrimmage. Anytime a team can score that fast the other team is going to have more tries to score points therefore are going to.
That's why it's vital to have a player of Lynch's caliber (it doesn't even have to be Lynch; but it's vital to have that be part of your arsenal if you're going to call off the dogs like the Packers do) to protect the leads (and the defense) built up by grinding out some first downs on the ground and chewing up the clock. That isn't happening so it is giving teams new life every week.
Last we are Packers fans why complain and argue about what could have been when obviously something is going right nothing should take the focus away from the amazing season that they have had, just enjoy it like the rest of us.
I am enjoying it, but as I said earlier, this is a problem with the organization that I have that stems from last season, and magnified by the fact that they took a runningback with the pick that Buffalo asked for in return. I apologize if I can't/won't blindly follow lockstep and not voice a disagreement when one arises. I watched as Ron Wolf became bulletproof because of assembling a team that made it to two Super Bowls, but yet completely mismanaged the team from the late 90's onward (poor draft selections, poor free agent acquisitions, the handling of Mike Holmgren, poor coaching hirings) up until the time he bumbled the reins over to Mike Sherman.

[14holestogie]

While you bring up a lot of valid points, Stephen, if Starks doesn't get dinged up 6 weeks ago (or if we brought in Lynch and he had gotten hurt), we probably aren't having this conversation. Injuries are a part of the game and while we may not have a deep pool of talent at the running back position, we do have servicable talent. Nobody's totally right or wrong. Now we're debating opinions. Nobody wins that game. :)

I say we call a truce and you make it up for one of the NWWHerf and we'll arm wrestle. :D

[deaster25]

I don't have any other option than to be confident. I'm just a fan after all.

[Stephen]

Now we're debating opinions. Nobody wins that game. :)
And it's admittedly a petty squabble, but for some reason it's a burr under my saddle.
I say we call a truce and you make it up for one of the NWWHerf and we'll arm wrestle. :D
I've heard about you...
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[Volusianator]

The Packers worked out 4 new running backs this week, we NEED a running back.


better suited at a team who needs a runing back.

[RevSmoke]

And it's admittedly a petty squabble, but for some reason it's a burr under my saddle.

I've heard about you...
http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/over-the-top/44.gif

I have lots of burrs under my saddle. I learned to just wipe them away sometimes and not worry about them. They just get me in a foul mood.

I think Tim's right. You should join us for a herf - have a couple cigars, some great food, something to wet the palate, and enjoy the company of those who share a passion about cigars.

So, what's the score going to be Sunday?

[MarkinAZ]

That's great. Still doesn't detract from my argument. The Packers don't have a runningback (or a collection of runningbacks) that they can hand the ball off to late in the game to chew up the clock and protect the lead/defense...

Just thought I'd throw my three cents into this. The last time I looked, we have the following backs available to us:

John Kuhn, Brandon Saine, and Ryan Grant. I have solid confidence in this group. Starks is currently sidelined, but will most likely return at some point in time (not a big issue), and that will give us four backs once again. I enjoy watching all three of these backs, and combined with the passing core of receivers, it simply becomes a winning machine:tu

So, what's the score going to be Sunday?

I'm going with the following:

PACKERS 42 CHIEFS 17

[Stephen]

I have lots of burrs under my saddle. I learned to just wipe them away sometimes and not worry about them. They just get me in a foul mood.

I think Tim's right. You should join us for a herf - have a couple cigars, some great food, something to wet the palate, and enjoy the company of those who share a passion about cigars.
I'd love to, brother.
So, what's the score going to be Sunday?
If Orton plays, I think they'll put up a bit of a fight. I'll say 34-13

If not, they'll roll over like puppies wanting their belly scratched. I'll say 37-3, but only because McCarthy calls off the dogs like he did last week.

[shilala]

I'm all about the Packers winning right till they meet the Steelers in the Super Bowl again this year.
I just see this year's Pack like the 2004 Steelers who finished at 15-1, had a 13-0 run with Ben as a rookie, and lost in the AFC Championship to New England.
That's the game when they finally played a well-rounded ball club and all their deficiencies flared. It looked like they didn't even show up at a 41-27 loss.

The Pack had the number one softest schedule in the NFL this year. They're 27th in rushing the ball (granted, it hasn't mattered, but they haven't played a team with a decent secondary, or a secondary that wasn't nicked up).
The Defense gives up 21 points a game despite the fact that they hardly ever see the field.
They have been in a large number of very close games against very bad teams because of that imbalance, less so in this second half than the first half of the season, but the fact remains. I think they'd be in better shape with a couple losses and really well tested than where they sit today. But you gotta go with what you have, and the Packers have the most incredible offense I've seen since Kurt Warner's Rams. They are a joy to watch. :tu

It's football. Any given Sunday. I'd love to see Aaron Rodgers get that perfect season if the Steelers aren't in the mix, and I absolutely LOVE to watch them play ball.

[shilala]

Oh, by the way, the Steeler's 2004 season...
They had the softest schedule in the NFL that year.

[14holestogie]

I'm sensing another Grape Swisher bet coming on, Scooter. ;)

[RevSmoke]

I'm sensing another Grape Swisher bet coming on, Scooter. ;)

I don't bet with welchers - he never did fulfill his part of that bet and smoke his Swisher. :r :r :D

Not that I necessarily blame him.

Besides, aren't we a little ahead of the program.

1) Get into the play-offs. (I think we can safely say that both the Packers and Steeler will do so. Although, the Steelers haven't yet sealed the deal and anything can happen in the next three week.

2) Win through the play-offs to get to the Super Bowl. And here there are no guarantees. I am not 100% sold that the Packers can do this. The defense will need to seriously step up their game if that's going to happen. We have won because of big plays, but we cannot stop anybody from moving up and down the field. We need to stop people first, big plays second.

At least that's the way I see it.

[MarkinAZ]

2) Win through the play-offs to get to the Super Bowl. And here there are no guarantees. I am not 100% sold that the Packers can do this. The defense will need to seriously step up their game if that's going to happen. We have won because of big plays, but we cannot stop anybody from moving up and down the field. We need to stop people first, big plays second.

At least that's the way I see it.

Well, maybe if people would: 1) stop the sissy shoulder tackling and start hitting from the waist down while wrapping their arms around the ball carrier, 2) hit the ball carrier before they explode out from the line of scrimmage, and 3) gang tackle, then we will stop the "up and down the field issue."

There's nothing wrong with hitting low and gang tackling you know...:2

[shilala]

I'm sensing another Grape Swisher bet coming on, Scooter. ;)

I don't bet with welchers - he never did fulfill his part of that bet and smoke his Swisher. :r :D

As God is my witness, I'll smoke one of these stinky sunsab!tches. The rest I'm sending to Emjay. :tu

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad96/scottshilala/57e0e2c0.jpg

[RevSmoke]

As God is my witness, I'll smoke one of these stinky sunsab!tches. The rest I'm sending to Emjay. :tu

Oh, that would be too incredibly sweet - like you cannot even know how cool that would be.

http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad96/scottshilala/57e0e2c0.jpg

Gotta remember though, I did release you from that bet - I couldn't make a friend do that.

But making MJ smoke one? That I could....


... OK, I couldn't even make MJ smoke one. Although, it'd be fun to see him drunk enough that he'd do it all on his own.

Hmm, Scott, send those to me. I think I have the beginnings of an idea. :r :r :D

[RevSmoke]

Well, maybe if people would: 1) stop the sissy shoulder tackling and start hitting from the waist down while wrapping their arms around the ball carrier, 2) hit the ball carrier before they explode out from the line of scrimmage, and 3) gang tackle, then we will stop the "up and down the field issue."

There's nothing wrong with hitting low and gang tackling you know...:2



That'd be a good idea.

How about this one, don't expect that just because you hit someone they'll automatically go down - wrap 'em up!

Here's another. Cover the guy you're assigned to cover. And if you're in zone, cover the guy in your zone unless you communicate with someone else and are sure that another is covering him.

[shilala]

Gotta remember though, I did release you from that bet - I couldn't make a friend do that.

But making MJ smoke one? That I could....


... OK, I couldn't even make MJ smoke one. Although, it'd be fun to see him drunk enough that he'd do it all on his own.

Hmm, Scott, send those to me. I think I have the beginnings of an idea. :r :r :D

Okay, you talked me into it. I'm gonna buy my way out of this. :D
It'll be win/win all around, and most importantly, I don't have to smoke one of these things. :lr

[shilala]

And...
Being the Packers will not play in the first round, and they'll probably play Dallas (cause I think they'll sneak in, make a showing, then cave) in their first trial, it looks like they'll have to get through San Fran or New Orleans to make the Super Bowl.
They've shown they can outgun NO, but that was early.
I like the Packers chances. I like them a lot better if they don't see San Francisco, but I haven't seen that club in action yet this year, I'm just going on stats, which mean almost nothing come playoff time.
I get to see what San Fran looks like when they play my Steelers this weekend.

[MarkinAZ]

That'd be a good idea.

How about this one, don't expect that just because you hit someone they'll automatically go down - wrap 'em up!

Here's another. Cover the guy you're assigned to cover. And if you're in zone, cover the guy in your zone unless you communicate with someone else and are sure that another is covering him.

:tu on all points Todd. Now, if our "D" has a linky to this thread....

[RevSmoke]

:tu on all points Todd. Now, if our "D" has a linky to this thread....



I wouldn't bet on that. But I hope someone on the coaching staff is telling them the same things.

[RevSmoke]

And...
Being the Packers will not play in the first round, and they'll probably play Dallas (cause I think they'll sneak in, make a showing, then cave) in their first trial, it looks like they'll have to get through San Fran or New Orleans to make the Super Bowl.
They've shown they can outgun NO, but that was early.
I like the Packers chances. I like them a lot better if they don't see San Francisco, but I haven't seen that club in action yet this year, I'm just going on stats, which mean almost nothing come playoff time.
I get to see what San Fran looks like when they play my Steelers this weekend.

I am looking forward to the rest of the season. And, I am hoping that whoever we face, we will have the defense to stop them and the offensive tenacity to do what is necessary to win.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[Stephen]

And...
Being the Packers will not play in the first round, and they'll probably play Dallas (cause I think they'll sneak in, make a showing, then cave) in their first trial, it looks like they'll have to get through San Fran or New Orleans to make the Super Bowl.
They've shown they can outgun NO, but that was early.
I like the Packers chances. I like them a lot better if they don't see San Francisco, but I haven't seen that club in action yet this year, I'm just going on stats, which mean almost nothing come playoff time.
I get to see what San Fran looks like when they play my Steelers this weekend.
From what I've been able to tell from watching some of them this year, they're kind of like the Steelers on defense. Have a stout front seven that is equally adept at both stopping the run and getting after the quarterback, but their secondary is shaky (18 team interceptions is a deceptive number). If Roethlisberger can evade the rush with his flat tire, he should carve them up.:tu

[shilala]

From what I've been able to tell from watching some of them this year, they're kind of like the Steelers on defense. Have a stout front seven that is equally adept at both stopping the run and getting after the quarterback, but their secondary is shaky (18 team interceptions is a deceptive number). If Roethlisberger can evade the rush with his flat tire, he should carve them up.:tu
We always have Heath and Hines over the middle to spread the field, so if it's gonna be a short field game, then so be it.
I'm looking forward to it. It'll be nice to get a look at San Fran right before the playoffs. :tu

[jsnake]

Come on Kansas City and get the upset victory. It could happen.

[14holestogie]

Come on Kansas City and get the upset victory. It could happen.

Anything's possible........but, no. Not gonna happen unless the team bus doesn't make it to the stadium. :D

[jsnake]

KC Chiefs leading the Packers 6 - 0. I honestly want Green Bay to get the perfect season but I love my KC Chiefs. By the way I grew up in a Packer home before being a fan was cool. My dad made us eat on Green Bay Packers placemats that he made from his Packers Report newspapers.

[jsnake]

Excuse me while I Happy Dance in this thread. 19 to 14 KC Chiefs take down the SUPER bowl Champions and previously undefeated Packers. This 1 win makes this lousy season okay for this KC fan.

[14holestogie]

Excuse me while I Happy Dance in this thread. 19 to 14 KC Chiefs take down the SUPER bowl Champions and previously undefeated Packers. This 1 win makes this lousy season okay for this KC fan.

Congrats to the Chiefs. They came to play. Our receivers obviously didn't. Anytime Finley talks about picking up the slack, what he usually ends up picking up is the ball after he drops it. :td

[Volusianator]

Damnit.

[Emjaysmash]

Gotta remember though, I did release you from that bet - I couldn't make a friend do that.

But making MJ smoke one? That I could....


... OK, I couldn't even make MJ smoke one. Although, it'd be fun to see him drunk enough that he'd do it all on his own.

Hmm, Scott, send those to me. I think I have the beginnings of an idea. :r :r :D

I aint scared. You supply the beer and the blunt, and I'll play Cigar Fear Factor.

[RevSmoke]

Well, the defense didn't show up to play. Or should I say, the defense played like they normally play - unable to stop anything. And without the big plays, the take-aways, what happens? Yep, you got it! KC defeats the Packers.

Add to that an offensive line that couldn't protect Rodgers and receivers, yes, receivers (more than one) who cannot hang onto the ball, and you will lose.

Now that have a loss. Maybe this will be the wake-up call to get them to step up their game.

I seriously think that part of the problem was that they thought this would be a cake walk game, and they got theirs handed to them.

[Volusianator]

I'm tired of hearing McCarthy say they're gonna work on the defense and start playing championship caliber defense. SHOW me.

[RevSmoke]

I'm tired of hearing McCarthy say they're gonna work on the defense and start playing championship caliber defense. SHOW me.

Amen brother, preach it!

[Taki]

Sorry to all you GB fans out there...what a crazy game!!

[MarkinAZ]

Yuck! What in the hey happened? Just glad that the game wasn't televised out here in the Los Angeles region.

Obviously our "D" left their gamebag back in Green Bay, and it appears (per the above posts) that our receivers had greasy palms today.

So, they now have a lost under their belts and probably needed it to reduce the swelling on their heads.

This may give them a little motivation now for the remaining games at home in Green Bay.

Congratulations KC Chiefs:=:

[Blak Smyth]

I kept telling people the Packers are only human, they will lose sooner or later.
Sorry to all you Packer fans, you have a great looking SB team though!

[jsnake]

In all honesty I am a little bummed they aren't going to have the perfect season now. I just had a feeling my Chiefs were going to show up today and they did.

My dad is not happy. My brother won't talk to me.

[icehog3]

13-1? This Bears fan would take it. ;)

[Volusianator]

:tu So will this Packer fan. Does it sting to lose, of course, is it the end of the season, no, it's one game. We still have the Division locked, a bye locked. We just need to have a defense. The offense had a bad game, they'll be back.


13-1? This Bears fan would take it. ;)

[larryinlc]

Going into this game without Greg Jennings I had hoped would not hurt. Well, it did a little. Whats worse, our make shift offensive line got a little more make shift with two going out in this game. If we can't protect our QB, we won't have much luck. Let's hope we get healthy bodies back in time for the playoffs.

13-1 is nothing to be ashamed of, but if key injuries start to bite us more than they have, it may be a short post season. Still, I'm proud of what this team has accomplished in the past two years, and they ain't going anywhere for a while.

Larry

[RevSmoke]

Loss now? Or loss in the post-season?

I'll take it now.

[icehog3]

Loss now? Or loss in the post-season?

I'll take it now.

Maybe both? ;s :noon

[RevSmoke]

Loss now? Or loss in the post-season?

I'll take it now.

Maybe both? ;s :noon

I can hope not.

[Remo]

Trap game.

[deaster25]

At least we didn't loose to the Bears or the ViQueens.

[icehog3]

At least we didn't loose to the Bears or the ViQueens.

Yeah, those guys are loosers.

[E.J.]

Only reason I am disappointed and will be until someone goes undefeated, is I have to watch the outspoken douchnozzles of the '72 Dolphins continue to get their 15 minutes....

[RevSmoke]

So, was it just me (and I guess some others), did Jordy really have pass interference? Or was that just a couple of really bad calls? I mean, there was more pushing and shoving that was blatantly obvious that never got called - at least to my eyes.

Let them play (except the Packers)?

[icehog3]

Only reason I am disappointed and will be until someone goes undefeated, is I have to watch the outspoken douchnozzles of the '72 Dolphins continue to get their 15 minutes....

Eh, they'll all be dead soon.

[357]

Maybe how they'll rest Rodgers for the final game for fear the mean Detroit Lions D-Line will hurt him. :D

[14holestogie]

So, was it just me (and I guess some others), did Jordy really have pass interference? Or was that just a couple of really bad calls? I mean, there was more pushing and shoving that was blatantly obvious that never got called - at least to my eyes.

Let them play (except the Packers)?

There are close calls (or non-calls) every game. Sometimes they go in your favor, sometimes they don't. I wouldn't go down that road. They got outplayed, plain and simple.

[14holestogie]

Maybe how they'll rest Rodgers for the final game for fear the mean Detroit Lions D-Line will hurt him. :D

Nope, he's gonna play, and first chance he gets, Suh gets it in the nads. :r

[RevSmoke]

So, was it just me (and I guess some others), did Jordy really have pass interference? Or was that just a couple of really bad calls? I mean, there was more pushing and shoving that was blatantly obvious that never got called - at least to my eyes.

Let them play (except the Packers)?

There are close calls (or non-calls) every game. Sometimes they go in your favor, sometimes they don't. I wouldn't go down that road. They got outplayed, plain and simple.

That wasn't an excuse for why the lost. Too many receivers dropped too many catchable balls. The running game never made it. The defense...

Simply put, the Packers sucked on Sunday and the Chiefs played amazing football. That is why we lost.

[dave]

This GB fan is not disappointed at all. GB is not nearly as good as their record. I was very uncomfortable feeling that this team would become blind to their weaknesses if they felt they could simply outscore anybody. I realize they have some very grounded players and I have confidence in the staff. Goal is to get to (and win) SB. Undefeated season is a distraction, not a goal.

[shilala]

I didn't get to watch the game, or much football at all yesterday. We had family obligations we had to get to, but I did get to sneak a peek here and there.

I'm hoping to watch this game later when I get time.
I hated to see the perfect season go away, and I was completely shocked when I saw them losing yesterday.
Unfortunately the Pack was ripe for the picking, they couldn't overcome a few injuries, and it made their lack of depth glare. I'd have thought they'd have come better prepared, but apparently they just didn't have enough left to play at 100% plus. It happens. I suppose it's better to get knocked around now than when you're competing for The Show.
They put themselves in a bad position for homefield advantage with NO breathing down their neck. Now they have to grab one of these last two games to clinch and two slips will let New Orleans in (provided they keep steamrolling).

It's not a good time for them to start sliding, that's for sure. Everyone has their number now and you can be sure Chicago and Detroit will throw the kitchen sink at them.
It's gonna make for good ball. :tu

It's kind of odd you Packers guys have to worry about someone breathing down your neck now. It's like that for the Steelers all year every year. :lr
Baltimore is always right there making every week a must-win. Their losing last night makes me twice as afraid of the Steelers vs. San Fran tonight. If the Black and Gold relax for one second, San Fran could hand them their ass.

[rebelknight]

NO cant get home field advantage because green bay beat them in week 1. If they both do finish 13-3 green bay owns the tie break. Im ok with the loss also. Rather see it now than in a month

[icehog3]

NO cant get home field advantage because green bay beat them in week 1. If they both do finish 13-3 green bay owns the tie break. Im ok with the loss also. Rather see it now than in a month

Maybe you will see both? :lr

[MarkinAZ]

:D...I'm pulling for the Steelers tonight!

[RevSmoke]

:D...I'm pulling for the Steelers tonight!

What the '9ers did to the Steelers last night, frightens this Packer fan. Granted, big Ben is hobbled by injury. But, the Packer O-line is not what it should be.

[RevSmoke]

On Saturday, my son had a high school wrestling meet in Shawano. At this meet, the youth wresting group from Shawano was doing a fund raiser - a raffle of a 2010 Packer autographed football, an Ipod Touch, 4 tickets to Harlem Globetrotters (I think), and one for a 42" plasma TV.

I made a $10 donation (that's how I think of it, because I don't normally win) and put tickets in for the Ipod and the football.

The drawing for the Ipod was on Sat., and I didn't get picked. The football ticket was being drawn on Sunday during the Youth meet, but we weren't going to be there. I gave my tickets to a member from church, because they were going to be there that afternoon.

Well, they came by the house to drop off my football on Sunday night. I must say, I am pleased! I am also a bit taken aback, I never win.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[Emjaysmash]

On Saturday, my son had a high school wrestling meet in Shawano. At this meet, the youth wresting group from Shawano was doing a fund raiser - a raffle of a 2010 Packer autographed football, an Ipod Touch, 4 tickets to Harlem Globetrotters (I think), and one for a 42" plasma TV.

I made a $10 donation (that's how I think of it, because I don't normally win) and put tickets in for the Ipod and the football.

The drawing for the Ipod was on Sat., and I didn't get picked. The football ticket was being drawn on Sunday during the Youth meet, but we weren't going to be there. I gave my tickets to a member from church, because they were going to be there that afternoon.

Well, they came by the house to drop off my football on Sunday night. I must say, I am pleased! I am also a bit taken aback, I never win.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Congrats! :ss

[MarkinAZ]

Congratulations on that football Todd:tu

What the '9ers did to the Steelers last night, frightens this Packer fan. Granted, big Ben is hobbled by injury. But, the Packer O-line is not what it should be.

Then, the Packer O-line is gonna have to pull from deep down within and give it a 125% on these upcoming games...

[14holestogie]

So far, so good. Gotta close out home field advantage tonight!

[MarkinAZ]

Looking good at the half Tim, 14-3. Things started to pick-up at the end for the Packers. If the "D" line can keep plugging the run in the 2nd half, then we're looking good.

It would be nice to secure about another 17 points in the 2nd half though and keep the Bears to 7...

[14holestogie]

Looks like you're about to get your wish, Mark. :D
This one looks to be over. :tu

[MarkinAZ]

Looks like you're about to get your wish, Mark. :D
This one looks to be over. :tu

Goooooooooooooo Cheeseheads:=:

[icehog3]

Thought the Bears put up a decent game with their QB and RB out, McNown and Bell were impressive.

Congrats to the Packer fans, and good luck in the playoffs....except if you play the Lions. ;) :r

[RevSmoke]

Enjoyed sitting at Lambeau last night. We won! Yippee!

The defense needs some serious work. We couldn't stop that run. That worries me as we head into post-season.

At this point, Packers opponents have more yardage than that Packers in their 14-1 record season. That's just astounding.

[Volusianator]

That blew me away too Rev!



At this point, Packers opponents have more yardage than that Packers in their 14-1 record season. That's just astounding.

[MarkinAZ]

So, is Matt Flynn gonna be the starting QB tomorrow or are they gonna go with Rogers for 3 or 4 possessions before substituting Flynn into the game with Detroit?

I don't have a problem with Flynn starting tomorrow, just hope he stays healthy for the duration of it. Hate to see something happen to him and Rogers has to come in and finish the game, which I'm sure the Lion's "D" would love to see occur.

Even though the media states this is a meaningless game for the Packers, I'd still like to see them win to have the best positive stats at years end:2

[14holestogie]

I hope Rogers plays a few series, as he's my QB in the fantasy championship tomorrow. I would imagine if he does play, he won't see the end of the half. Flynn and Harrell will probably finish it off.

Lot's of prideful things to play for. 15-1 has never been done in GB, they've never swept their division, and the Lions haven't won at Lambeau in ages.
But, it's the coach's call.

[14holestogie]

15-1 baybee! What a game.

[Volusianator]

Aaron who?

[14holestogie]

Aaron who?

Flynn, a QB with two career starts, may be making 10 million/year next year after that game. Good for him.:tu

[Volusianator]

Matt Flynn sets the Packers all time single game touchdown record with 6 and all time single game passing record with 480 yards! Well done Matt, now give Aaron the MVP and let's finish this season strong!

[Volusianator]

Yep, that was quite the job interview he just completed. Good for him, I've had a few cigars with him at our local members club, very nice guy, very happy for him.


Flynn, a QB with two career starts, may be making 10 million/year next year after that game. Good for him.:tu

[pnoon]

Based on Flynn's performance, Rodgers clearly is not the MVP. Packers are still dominant without him.
My vote would be for Drew Brees.
:2

[MarkinAZ]

Congratulations Packers on an excellent win today:tu No TV out this way, so had a "Packers Jones" today. Had to sort through highlight videos, etc for the big plays. Todd (RevSmoke) must have been on the edge of his seat at Lambeau today:r

Yep, that was quite the job interview he just completed. Good for him, I've had a few cigars with him at our local members club, very nice guy, very happy for him.

What cigars does Flynn enjoy anyways?

[Emjaysmash]

Absolutley fantastic! Man that was fun.

[14holestogie]

Based on Flynn's performance, Rodgers clearly is not the MVP. Packers are still dominant without him.
My vote would be for Drew Brees.
:2

Well then, you don't get a vote, Peter. ;):D

Not sure why having a capable back-up would make any difference. :confused:

[pnoon]

Well then, you don't get a vote, Peter. ;):D

Not sure why having a capable back-up would make any difference. :confused:

Don't misunderstand my post. Rodgers is the best QB in the game today. But having a capable back-up and quality team around him is exactly why he is not the most valuable player, IMO.

Take Drew Brees out of the NO lineup, and they are just another good team. He is far more valuable.

One thing we absolutely agree on. I don't get a vote. :D

[14holestogie]

Don't misunderstand my post. Rodgers is the best QB in the game today. But having a capable back-up and quality team around him is exactly why he is not the most valuable player, IMO.

Take Drew Brees out of the NO lineup, and they are just another good team. He is far more valuable.

One thing we absolutely agree on. I don't get a vote. :D

I agree with Brees value to his team (and the league, for that matter).
This will be an interesting choice this year. I don't think you can argue if either wins.

[Volusianator]

He was smoking mostly boutique stuff, not much mainstream






What cigars does Flynn enjoy anyways?

[pnoon]

I agree with Brees value to his team (and the league, for that matter).
This will be an interesting choice this year. I don't think you can argue if either wins.

Either player is deserving. You could even toss Brady in the mix considering how bad the Patriots defense is.

The voting will be interesting.

[MarkinAZ]

But having a capable back-up and quality team around him is exactly why he is not the most valuable player, IMO.

Take Drew Brees out of the NO lineup, and they are just another good team. He is far more valuable.

I can see your point in that Rogers has an equal backup. Who is the backup for New Orleans should Brees go down for the count?

[MarkinAZ]

He was smoking mostly boutique stuff, not much mainstream

...:tu Hah! I was thinking. Should we do a group bombing run on Flynn?:r

[icehog3]

Question for the Pack faithful as I did not see the game. Did the Pack play their 1st string defense for most of the game. I see Stafford threw for 520 yards.

If they did, do you think the Pack defense is good enough to win the Lombardi trophy again?

[14holestogie]

Question for the Pack faithful as I did not see the game. Did the Pack play their 1st string defense for most of the game. I see Stafford threw for 520 yards.

If they did, do you think the Pack defense is good enough to win the Lombardi trophy again?

Woodson and Mathews were inactive, so, no, the first string wasn't in there. I can't explain the yardage on both sides today. 30 degrees, light snow and 20-30 MPH winds don't usually lend themselves to this outpouring of passing.

I do think they are capable of winning the SB once again, as long as our offense can outscore the other team's offense. :D

[icehog3]

I do think they are capable of winning the SB once again, as long as our offense can outscore the other team's offense. :D

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/captainobvious.jpg

He rides again. :lr

[RevSmoke]

Congratulations Packers on an excellent win today:tu No TV out this way, so had a "Packers Jones" today. Had to sort through highlight videos, etc for the big plays. Todd (RevSmoke) must have been on the edge of his seat at Lambeau today:r



What cigars does Flynn enjoy anyways?



I was not at the game. My son and three buddies were there in a friends seats, and JBailey was using my tickets - he may not be home yet.

I didn't get done with services today till 12:30. Didn't get home from church until about 1:15.

As for Flynn, what a great performance. I think part of the issue was that he was an unknown quantity for the Lions and they didn't know how to play against him.



Peace of the Lord be with you.

[RevSmoke]

Woodson and Mathews were inactive, so, no, the first string wasn't in there. I can't explain the yardage on both sides today. 30 degrees, light snow and 20-30 MPH winds don't usually lend themselves to this outpouring of passing.

I do think they are capable of winning the SB once again, as long as our offense can outscore the other team's offense. :D

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/captainobvious.jpg

He rides again. :lr

:gary

[Stephen]

Based on Flynn's performance, Rodgers clearly is not the MVP. Packers are still dominant without him.
My vote would be for Drew Brees.
:2
Based on that line of thinking, we should retroactively take away Tom Brady's 2007 MVP award and give it to Peyton Manning. :2

[Stephen]

I can see your point in that Rogers has an equal backup. Who is the backup for New Orleans should Brees go down for the count?



Chase Daniel I believe.

[Stephen]

Had to look because I knew it'd been awhile, but the NFC North hadn't been swept since 1987. Even when there's a strong team a divisional opponent will rise up and steal one.

[Volusianator]

From what they said during the broadcast yesterday, it was the first time in NFC North history that the division was swept.


Had to look because I knew it'd been awhile, but the NFC North hadn't been swept since 1987. Even when there's a strong team a divisional opponent will rise up and steal one.

[Stephen]

From what they said during the broadcast yesterday, it was the first time in NFC North history that the division was swept.
I know for a fact that's not true, because the '85 Bears only lost one game all season, and that was to the Dolphins in that epic MNF game. I backtracked and checked myself, and the Bears did it in 86' and '87, too

[Volusianator]

I know for a fact that's not true, because the '85 Bears only lost one game all season, and that was to the Dolphins in that epic MNF game. I backtracked and checked myself, and the Bears did it in 86' and '87, too

Show's you what the color guys know!

[Stephen]

Show's you what the color guys know!
Who knows, maybe they were going by the currrent division alignment that started in 2002. :sh
At the very least, somebody in the production booth didn't do their homework.

[MarkinAZ]

Hope everyone has their thermal underwear on today at Lambeau:D

Gooooooooo Green Bay:noon

[14holestogie]

Go Pack. Cautiously optimistic this one isn't going to be as close as their first meeting in week 13. No love for the Pack all week from the pundits and I think they come out with something to prove. :2

[MarkinAZ]

Woodson...Can't be making panty waist tackles guy!

[longknocker]

Close Game!:)

[MarkinAZ]

I don't understand. Why did GB call a TO with 15 sec' before the end of the half?:confused:

[longknocker]

Doesn't Look Good For The Pack; Reminds Me Of The Saint's Game. ;s

[GreekGodX]

That play right before the end of the half was a dagger. I can't wait to see how GB responds.

[icehog3]

Should be 20-3, Pack is fortunate that the replay officials blew that early fumble call.

[Mattso3000]

Another blown call on the ware spot, rewound the game and slow mo shows his butt hitting the blue line as he goes down, refs both run in a half yard shy of the line. Spot was about a yard short and would have been a big first down.

[MarkinAZ]

Should be 20-3, Pack is fortunate that the replay officials blew that early fumble call.

:D...Don't know what your talking about Tom:rolleyes:

[Montano]

:D...Don't know what your talking about Tom:rolleyes:



Not looking good Mark......

[14holestogie]

Looks like I'm going to become a 49'ers fan for the rest of the year. What a horribly played game. :td

[CigarSquid]

Not a packer fan, so my thoughts... HAHA Great game!

[MarkinAZ]

What can one say! Fumbles, dropped passes, and passes thrown too hard for the Packers today:(

Congratulations NY as you played a great game today and its off to SF for you:tu

Just my :2

[longknocker]

Looks like I'm going to become a 49'ers fan for the rest of the year. What a horribly played game. :td

Sorry, Tim; Reminds Me Of The Way I Felt After The Saint's Game. :(
Think I'll Pull For The Ravens.

:sh

[longknocker]

Still Hope? :tu

[Montano]

Sorry, Tim; Reminds Me Of The Way I Felt After The Saint's Game. :(
Think I'll Pull For The Ravens.

:sh

Harbaugh Bowl Part II ;)

[Montano]

Still Hope? :tu

Not !!

[longknocker]

Not !!

True. Think You Can Beat The Giants, Nick? :)

[Montano]

true. Think you can beat the giants, nick? :)

indeed ;)

[Volusianator]

Ugh

[14holestogie]

In the immortal words of Ron Wolf, "just another fart in the wind."

A good season, but if you don't finish, nobody remembers your name.

[Emjaysmash]

Jack daniels mixed with tears doesn't taste as good as jack daniels raised for victory.

[kelmac07]

Tough to win with four turnovers.

[longknocker]

Tough to win with four turnovers.

True! I.E. 5 For The Saints!:td

[RevSmoke]

Only good thing to say about this game is...

Enjoyed a few fine cigars with 14holestogie while watching the Pack kick themselves in the teeth.

Cigars?
Don Kiki Brown little perfecto thingie (thanks Kevin)
Tat Noella
Oliva MB3 Torpedo

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[Emjaysmash]

Only good thing to say about this game is...

Enjoyed a few fine cigars with 14holestogie while watching the Pack kick themselves in the teeth.

Cigars?
Don Kiki Brown little perfecto thingie (thanks Kevin)
Tat Noella
Oliva MB3 Torpedo

Peace of the Lord be with you.

:banger

[deaster25]

Time for me to turn off my cable and not watch any television at all until baseball season...I will be hibernating in my cave of depression until then.

[Emjaysmash]

Time for me to turn off my cable and not watch any television at all until baseball season...I will be hibernating in my cave of depression until then.

Does your cage of depression have a smoking area? Because that would be awesome. Time to catch up on some good books I think.

[deaster25]

Does your cage of depression have a smoking area? Because that would be awesome. Time to catch up on some good books I think.

Yes it does.

[goomer]

Sorry to see the Pack lose. Even though I'm a Vikings fan. The way I figure it if the Vikes can't make it, I'd rather have another team from the NFC North get to, and win, the bowl.

[icehog3]

Only good thing to say about this game is...

Enjoyed a few fine cigars with 14holestogie while watching the Pack kick themselves in the teeth.

Cigars?
Don Kiki Brown little perfecto thingie (thanks Kevin)
Tat Noella
Oliva MB3 Torpedo

Peace of the Lord be with you.

Every cloud has a silver lining...glad you guys enjoyed yourselves. :)

Lions in '12. :)

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

There's always next year

[deadrise]

is this the I need a hug section?;s I like gb I really do but I am glad I only seen the last 8 min in the 4th of the game.
what a shame better luck next year!!!

[Flounder]

Sorry to see the Pack lose. Even though I'm a Vikings fan. The way I figure it if the Vikes can't make it, I'd rather have another team from the NFC North get to, and win, the bowl.

We can't see eye to eye on this, haha. As a Bills fan, the last team I want to see win it is the effing Pats.

But in other news, I feel so bad for Aaron Rodgers, with the exception of 1 or 2 poor throws he played so well, the lack of D and 13 dropped passes lost that game. Not saying the Pack would have one, but had all those passes not been dropped the game would have been so much more exciting...

[RevSmoke]

We can't see eye to eye on this, haha. As a Bills fan, the last team I want to see win it is the effing Pats.

But in other news, I feel so bad for Aaron Rodgers, with the exception of 1 or 2 poor throws he played so well, the lack of D and 13 dropped passes lost that game. Not saying the Pack would have one, but had all those passes not been dropped the game would have been so much more exciting...

Lack of D? Yeah, the Giants got a lot of yards, but the stops came when they needed to. The offense was to blame for this loss. The dropped passes were huge. The number of fumbles was huge.

The Packers played poorly and the Giants played well.

I think I'm going to have to root for the 49ers now.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[Stephen]

Lack of D? Yeah, the Giants got a lot of yards, but the stops came when they needed to. The offense was to blame for this loss. The dropped passes were huge. The number of fumbles was huge.

The Packers played poorly and the Giants played well.
That, and you could just tell that Rodgers lost all faith in his entire receiving corps somewhere in the third quarter and started checking down to his runningbacks.

Good grief, giving up that halftime-Hail-Mary is simply inexcusable. Even as poor as they were playing (and coaching) to that point, going into the half down by three and getting the ball back would've made it a completely different ballgame.

All I can say is what a waste...

[Blak Smyth]

I was really pulling for you guys, I HATE the giants! Well I mostly hate Eli and I dislike the giants.

[Flounder]

That, and you could just tell that Rodgers lost all faith in his entire receiving corps somewhere in the third quarter and started checking down to his runningbacks.

Good grief, giving up that halftime-Hail-Mary is simply inexcusable. Even as poor as they were playing (and coaching) to that point, going into the half down by three and getting the ball back would've made it a completely different ballgame.

All I can say is what a waste...

I felt the same way. On all 3 counts really. And I felt that Rodgers was just frustrated. They receivers said before the game "Aaron is the kind of quarterback that wont get mad or abandon you if you drop a pass, but get it right back to you to keep your head up." But that many drops was just in excusable.

The half time Hail Mary made me sad, how does no one even get a hand on the ball?

I was really pulling for you guys, I HATE the giants! Well I mostly hate Eli and I dislike the giants.

Agreed. Eli and most of the Giants receiving corps just frustrates me. My room-mate is a hardcore Giants fan and is so ungodly obnoxious.

[Stephen]

Would've been a blast to hang out with this (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8260a687/article/packer-backer-likely-regrets-240k-road-trip-to-lambeau?module=HP11_content_stream) guy...
Who's Peter Serafin, you ask? Well, he's a successful New York businessman and avid Packers fan who decided to drop $240,000 on a road trip to the NFC Divisional Playoff Game against the Giants at Lambeau Field.

How to drop $240K without trying:

» 1,086 miles to travel in a 70-foot RV

» 2 waitresses

» 3 TVs

» 26 bottles of champagne

» 65 Kobe beef burgers

» 100 gallons of beer

» 150 pounds of prime beef

» 10 live lobsters

» 6 seats on the 50-yard line

[longknocker]

Would've been a blast to hang out with this (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8260a687/article/packer-backer-likely-regrets-240k-road-trip-to-lambeau?module=HP11_content_stream) guy...


How to drop $240K without trying:

» 1,086 miles to travel in a 70-foot RV

» 2 waitresses

» 3 TVs

» 26 bottles of champagne

» 65 Kobe beef burgers

» 100 gallons of beer

» 150 pounds of prime beef

» 10 live lobsters

» 6 seats on the 50-yard line
Ouch! :gary

[longknocker]

Lack of D? Yeah, the Giants got a lot of yards, but the stops came when they needed to. The offense was to blame for this loss. The dropped passes were huge. The number of fumbles was huge.

The Packers played poorly and the Giants played well.

I think I'm going to have to root for the 49ers now.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

You Shouldn't Have Made Fun Of My Saints, Brother! Bad Karma! :D

[OLS]

Funny how the two favorites to win the division both had EPIC failures of execution.
Watching the Saints self-destruct was just a chrusher. Then to see them come roaring
back for the "win" was great...only it wasn't a win. At least they didn't look like LSU ;(

[Stephen]

Funny how the two favorites to win the division both had EPIC failures of execution.
Watching the Saints self-destruct was just a chrusher. Then to see them come roaring
back for the "win" was great...only it wasn't a win. At least they didn't look like LSU ;(
I think that was the most bizarre playoff game I've ever watched. 49ers get a quick 17 point lead, then a snoozer, then the Saints start chipping away at the lead, then they score to go up 24-23. Then, all Hell breaks loose. I had no horse in that race, which made it some of the most exciting playoff football I think I've ever seen. I can't even begin to imagine what it would've been like to be a fan of one of these franchises; I probably would've developed an aneurysm.:D

[yourchoice]

I was really pulling for you guys, I HATE the giants! Well I mostly hate Eli and I dislike the giants.

Wow, Shane...We finally agree on something when it comes to the NFL!

This week I'm pulling for the Harbaughs.

[14holestogie]

This week I'm pulling for the Harbaughs.

:tpd:

[MoreBeer]

Amazing they lost when its was obvious the NFL gave clear and absolute instruction to the Officials to make certain the Packers win. There's no theory in that conspiracy. Just fact.

Now, the Giants go all the way and beat the Patriots "again" in the Super Bowl.

[pnoon]

Amazing they lost when its was obvious the NFL gave clear and absolute instruction to the Officials to make certain the Packers win. There's no theory in that conspiracy. Just fact.

Now, the Giants go all the way and beat the Patriots "again" in the Super Bowl.

O.K. I'll bite. On what do you base your assertion? (fwiw - I'm a Giants fan)

[goomer]

Would've been a blast to hang out with this (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8260a687/article/packer-backer-likely-regrets-240k-road-trip-to-lambeau?module=HP11_content_stream) guy...


How to drop $240K without trying:

» 1,086 miles to travel in a 70-foot RV

» 2 waitresses

» 3 TVs

» 26 bottles of champagne

» 65 Kobe beef burgers

» 100 gallons of beer

» 150 pounds of prime beef

» 10 live lobsters

» 6 seats on the 50-yard line

I wonder why he didn't fly?

[MoreBeer]

O.K. I'll bite. On what do you base your assertion? (fwiw - I'm a Giants fan)


Exactly what were you watching? Obviously not the game if you really need to ask that question. FWIW, I'm good friends with an extremely prominent former Giants player who you'd know quite well and even he has a similar opinion.

I'd like to add that this friend of mine (can't say who) also told me that he expects the NFL to announce an apology to the Giants regarding the poor (a.k.a. skewed) officiating. He also expects (was told) the apology to be made public information. So if I know that, I'm not yanking your stogie brother.

[floydpink]

Exactly what were you watching? Obviously not the game if you really need to ask that question. FWIW, I'm good friends with an extremely prominent former Giants player who you'd know quite well and even he has a similar opinion.

I'd like to add that this friend of mine (can't say who) also told me that he expects the NFL to announce an apology to the Giants regarding the poor (a.k.a. skewed) officiating. He also expects (was told) the apology to be made public information. So if I know that, I'm not yanking your stogie brother.

Sounds like a former Giant I actually worked for in the early 90's who might have snorted away his brains based on his behavior.

I'm guessing you and your prominent Giant friend are talking about the roughing the passer call at the end? I watched the whole game and besides that, it looked to be fairly balanced officiating.

[MoreBeer]

That, a few other things and of course the fumble which was miraculously not a fumble although a one eyed man with glaucoma could easily see on instant replay that it was, in fact, a fumble.

[floydpink]

So the NFL will be making a public appology regarding the calls?

Thanks for breaking it here first!

[pnoon]

Exactly what were you watching? Obviously not the game if you really need to ask that question. FWIW, I'm good friends with an extremely prominent former Giants player who you'd know quite well and even he has a similar opinion.

I'd like to add that this friend of mine (can't say who) also told me that he expects the NFL to announce an apology to the Giants regarding the poor (a.k.a. skewed) officiating. He also expects (was told) the apology to be made public information. So if I know that, I'm not yanking your stogie brother.

Obviously humility is not your strong suit. Welcome to Cigar Asylum.

I do not contend that there were some questionable calls. There are in every game. What I was asking about is what you based your "not opinion-fact" statement on. As a new member here, nobody knows you from Adam. So why would anyone here take your statements as absolute fact?

[pnoon]

Sounds like a former Giant I actually worked for in the early 90's who might have snorted away his brains based on his behavior.

I'm guessing you and your prominent Giant friend are talking about the roughing the passer call at the end? I watched the whole game and besides that, it looked to be fairly balanced officiating.

Pete - I agree wholeheartedly that the call was suspect.
Given that, allow me to don my :tf

[floydpink]

Well, at least it allowed the Packers to get an extra 7 points!

I'm dying to know who this prominent and prophetic former Giant is, and put my money on the BLT without bacon?

[mkarnold1]

The fumble was a pretty crappy call and I thought that the roughing the passer was weak as well. That being said, it's all subjective and as a Vikings fan rooting against the Pack I am biased. Any time there is information that is subjective it can interpreted differently by everyone, and as such there can be no "facts" about it.

[MoreBeer]

So the NFL will be making a public appology regarding the calls?

Thanks for breaking it here first!

No, the NFL will make an apology to the Giants and the apology will be permitted to be released, as not required to be held in confidence between the Giants and the NFL.

[floydpink]

No, the NFL will make an apology to the Giants and the apology will be permitted to be released, as not required to be held in confidence between the Giants and the NFL.

Ahhh, I see.

I hope the Giants beat the Pats again in the Super Bowl, as the Mayan calendar I have shows this to be the last Super Bowl ever.

[MoreBeer]

Ahhh, I see.

I hope the Giants beat the Pats again in the Super Bowl, as the Mayan calendar I have shows this to be the last Super Bowl ever.


F-ing good one!

[floydpink]

No, the NFL will make an apology to the Giants and the apology will be permitted to be released, as not required to be held in confidence between the Giants and the NFL.

So the players aren't required to double pinky swear to keep it a secret?

[pnoon]

So the players aren't required to double pinky swear to keep it a secret?

:=:

[MarkinAZ]

Ahhh, I see.

I hope the Giants beat the Pats again in the Super Bowl, as the Mayan calendar I have shows this to be the last Super Bowl ever.

...I usually rely upon my secret decoder ring in lieu of the Mayan calendar Pete;)

So the players aren't required to double pinky swear to keep it a secret?

Only if preceded by a double dawg dare:tu

[Volusianator]

I'm as big of a Packer fan as there is, and I thought they were weak calls as well.


The fumble was a pretty crappy call and I thought that the roughing the passer was weak as well. That being said, it's all subjective and as a Vikings fan rooting against the Pack I am biased.

[Adriftpanda]

Amazing they lost when its was obvious the NFL gave clear and absolute instruction to the Officials to make certain the Packers win. There's no theory in that conspiracy. Just fact.

Now, the Giants go all the way and beat the Patriots "again" in the Super Bowl.

Want be BFFs with me and tell me what games to bet!!! Pretty please pretty please!

If you happen to know Tim Donaghy as well, ask him when he is coming back to the NBA, I haven't touched a NBA game in a while.

[icehog3]

I used to work out with a former catcher from the Boston Red Sox and he never said anything about orders to NFL officials to fix the Packers game.

Please don't ask me who he was, but I will tell you he never said anything about a public apology either.

[RevSmoke]

So has anybody sniffed anything of a public apology - or even a minimal apology to the Giants? I went searching the web to find something, and there is nothing of any sort or nature out there.

I have said for years that games are fixed and officiating is often in cahoots. Players on both teams appear to do things that don't make any sense, except that they are trying to make a certain team successful and they're paid to help out in that.

Then I realized something after playing referee a few time...
...Men are fallible. Sometimes, their failures are plainly evident. Sometimes, they are not. Usually, it isn't because they are trying to biased in any way, it is because what they see can be perceived differently from different angles.

We the two calls discussed here bad in my opinion? Yes! Is it possible that they saw something that made them make such calls? Yes! For example, Rodgers head and neck took quite a jolt on that hit - although, it was because he was knocked into someone, and not because he was intentionally hit that way. If all you focused on was Rodges, and the way he was bounced around, it could have looked like he was hit intentionally.

Sometimes, you cannot see the forest for the trees - too focused on one thing, that you miss the big picture.

Show me any sport, any game, and you will find bad calls and missed calls by refs. Sometimes glaring, for they have an impact on score. Sometimes, minor.

Bottom line? Packers played poorly, Giants played well, refs were bad. Giants won. Packers lost.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[Stephen]

Amazing they lost when its was obvious the NFL gave clear and absolute instruction to the Officials to make certain the Packers win. There's no theory in that conspiracy. Just fact.

Exactly what were you watching? Obviously not the game if you really need to ask that question. FWIW, I'm good friends with an extremely prominent former Giants player who you'd know quite well and even he has a similar opinion.
Does not compute.

[Stephen]

I wonder why he didn't fly?
You thought Snakes on a Plane was terrifying? I can't even begin to imagine the horrors of Lobsters on a Plane...

[icehog3]

Amazing they lost when its was obvious the NFL gave clear and absolute instruction to the Officials to make certain the Packers win. There's no theory in that conspiracy. Just fact.



Why are any of you debating this. MoreBeer has already told you it's not a theory, it is fact. That should be the end of it.




:lr

[Stephen]

Why are any of you debating this. MoreBeer has already told you it's not a theory, it is fact. That should be the end of it.




:lr
"So let it be written; so let it be done."
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--4qonI5wubc/TlzgerR-PUI/AAAAAAAAVRA/MPjwJ2p1dOc/s1600/ramses09.jpg

[icehog3]

"So let it be written; so let it be done."
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--4qonI5wubc/TlzgerR-PUI/AAAAAAAAVRA/MPjwJ2p1dOc/s1600/ramses09.jpg

:D :tu

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--4qonI5wubc/TlzgerR-PUI/AAAAAAAAVRA/MPjwJ2p1dOc/s1600/ramses09.jpg


"His god......is God".

[longknocker]

Why are any of you debating this. MoreBeer has already told you it's not a theory, it is fact. That should be the end of it.




:lr

Kind Of Like "The Rule Of Threes"? :D

[icehog3]

Kind Of Like "The Rule Of Threes"? :D

Eerily similar, Greg. :r

[Stephen]

:D :tu

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--4qonI5wubc/TlzgerR-PUI/AAAAAAAAVRA/MPjwJ2p1dOc/s1600/ramses09.jpg


"His god......is God".
I think I know who his friend might be...
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/4f415f60d1da278cf5ed2e6f19afaef087e9c43_r.jpg

[Emjaysmash]

I think I know who his friend might be...
http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/4f415f60d1da278cf5ed2e6f19afaef087e9c43_r.jpg

The glowing bush? LOL

[Stephen]

The glowing bush? LOL
Don't make Charlton Heston get up out of his grave and shoot you.

[14holestogie]

Based on Flynn's performance, Rodgers clearly is not the MVP. Packers are still dominant without him.
My vote would be for Drew Brees.
:2

I wonder who had the other vote. ;)
48-2 for your NFL MVP, Aaron Rodgers. :tu

[pnoon]

I wonder who had the other vote. ;)
48-2 for your NFL MVP, Aaron Rodgers. :tu

:r

Touché, Tim. I pretty well thought he WOULD win it. I just have different criteria than those whose votes matter.

[14holestogie]

:r

Touché, Tim. I pretty well thought he WOULD win it. I just have different criteria than those whose votes matter.

:r Sorry, Peter. I couldn't resist.

[pnoon]

:r Sorry, Peter. I couldn't resist.

All in good fun, Brother. :)

[pnoon]

Exactly what were you watching? Obviously not the game if you really need to ask that question. FWIW, I'm good friends with an extremely prominent former Giants player who you'd know quite well and even he has a similar opinion.

I'd like to add that this friend of mine (can't say who) also told me that he expects the NFL to announce an apology to the Giants regarding the poor (a.k.a. skewed) officiating. He also expects (was told) the apology to be made public information. So if I know that, I'm not yanking your stogie brother.

No, the NFL will make an apology to the Giants and the apology will be permitted to be released, as not required to be held in confidence between the Giants and the NFL.

Am I the only one who missed this "public apology"?
:lr

[deaster25]

Donald Driver just posted this to Facebook. "Big announcement coming!". Anyone have an idea of what this might be?

[dave]

Hopefully not "I tore my ACL DWTS'ing"

[RevSmoke]

Donald Driver just posted this to Facebook. "Big announcement coming!". Anyone have an idea of what this might be?

He's up for free agency....

Or, he might be retiring.

Or... He's willing to renegotiate to free money for the salary cap.