Packer fan thoughts

[Stephen]

Packers sign Jeff Saturday! :dance:

[14holestogie]

Packers sign Jeff Saturday! :dance:

Nice. Classy guy. :tu

[Stephen]

Nice. Classy guy. :tu
Classy guy. Good player. Allows us time to groom an heir apparent. I was worried about losing Wells, but this more than makes up for it.

[RevSmoke]

This more than makes up for Wells? Personally, nothing against Saturday, but we have another greybeard on the front line. I hope he can play the whole season. He was talking about retiring.

[Stephen]

This more than makes up for Wells? Personally, nothing against Saturday, but we have another greybeard on the front line. I hope he can play the whole season. He was talking about retiring.
Since we didn't have a center worth a darn currently on the roster, I'd say yes. I wouldn't be too concerned about his durability, either. Hasn't missed a game in six years.

[MarkinAZ]

THREAD REVIVAL...:noon

ITS NFL SUNDAY 2012 FOLKS...


S.F. 49'ERS @ GREEN BAY:po

PACKERS GOTTA STOP THE 49'ER RUN TODAY...:tu

[RevSmoke]

THREAD REVIVAL...:noon

ITS NFL SUNDAY 2012 FOLKS...


S.F. 49'ERS @ GREEN BAY:po

PACKERS GOTTA STOP THE 49'ER RUN TODAY...:tu

No doubt, hey? Let us hope the defense is a bit better this year than in the past couple years.

[14holestogie]

How about that officiating crew today? Wow. I have a hard time believing they came from Division II. I know high school officiating crews that could do a better job. They spread it around to both sides, but bad is bad.

[MarkinAZ]

How about that officiating crew today? Wow. I have a hard time believing they came from Division II. I know high school officiating crews that could do a better job. They spread it around to both sides, but bad is bad.

...:tu

However, 9er D looking pretty good at this time and GB O needs to step it up...

[Stephen]

It's nice to see that the Packers O has stepped up and matched the Packers D...:rolleyes: :td :gary

[MarkinAZ]

Wasn't an easy game to watch today. Yuck!:bh

SF 30 GB 22...

[BeerAdvocate]

Clay Matthews is a BEAST!

[icehog3]

Clay Matthews is a BEAST!

Like Fabio.

[RevSmoke]

Defense is looking better today. Now if only the offense can step it up... about 3 or 4 notches.

[RevSmoke]

How do you say touchdown? Punter to the back-up tight end. Love it!

[MarkinAZ]

:sad...I don't have the NFL Network out here...:sh

[MarkinAZ]

Had to go over to NFL.com and check out the current score with 6:49 left...

Interceptions are really a *itch aren't they?

Packers 23 Bears 10

[RevSmoke]

:sad...I don't have the NFL Network out here...:sh

We get it on the antenna as a local channel.:D

[MarkinAZ]

We get it on the antenna as a local channel.:D


...:tg;)

[BHalbrooks]

I was the only one at my Work that said that Bears weren't gonna kill the Pack. In my opinion, the Bears got crushed, 4 picks, 7 sacks? Game over.

Always thought Jay Cutler was over rated... One day America will agree?

[14holestogie]

Da Bears...





too bad we can't play them every week. :)

[IBQTEE1]

Great game last night. Clay Matthews was on fire and helped out with the 7 sacks on Culter. :banger

[MarkinAZ]

...:(

Sunday just doesn't seem the same without a Packer game...

Gonna be tuff having to wait until Monday night 09/24 when we play the SeaHawks in Seattle:noon

[14holestogie]

...:(

Sunday just doesn't seem the same without a Packer game...

Gonna be tuff having to wait until Monday night 09/24 when we play the SeaHawks in Seattle:noon

We made it, Mark! :D

Now if I can only stay awake through the game.

[IBQTEE1]

Pack attack tonight!!

[CigarNut]

What if the Packers lose to the Seahakwks??? (As I expect them too! :D).

Either way it is going to be a good game!

[LostAbbott]

The packers are going to have a rough time tonight. I expect Rogers to spend a lot of time eating turf, and the D running around in circles looking for our (to small to see) QB. Go Hawks.

[mkarnold1]

Did the Vikings really just wipe the turf with the same 49er's team that kicked the snot out of the Pack in Lambeau? Yes they did.

[pektel]

Did the Vikings really just wipe the turf with the same 49er's team that kicked the snot out of the Pack in Lambeau? Yes they did.

:r

[MarkinAZ]

We made it, Mark! :D

Now if I can only stay awake through the game.

Pack attack tonight!!

Its Monday Night Football in Seattle. Gooooooooooo GREEN BAY PACKERS...:banger

The packers are going to have a rough time tonight. I expect Rogers to spend a lot of time eating turf, and the D running around in circles looking for our (to small to see) QB. Go Hawks.

We'll find em' Mychal:su So, who's your backup???

[Adriftpanda]

Go Seahawks!

[MarkinAZ]

Go Seahawks!

...:tg;)

[LostAbbott]

Boom! Four sacks already!!! Go Hawks... hell we are already doing the "discount double check"!
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[LostAbbott]

We'll find em' Mychal:su So, who's your backup???[/QUOTE]

Well we have your old backup who was to good/expensive for you to hold on to. Seems to be a trend guess we just need to pull your qb coach over next.
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[LostAbbott]

Did we really just have two guys wide open deep? Woot Woot!
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[CigarNut]

Go Seahawks!

:D

[LostAbbott]

How many cigars do I get for calling Rogers dirt time?
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[MarkinAZ]

I don't care for these temporary refs. Both sides are receiving the lousy calls:sh

How many cigars do I get for calling Rogers dirt time?
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Nada...:D

[MarkinAZ]

Time out... 57 seconds, I need some Tums....

[MarkinAZ]

What a bunch of baloney:fl

How in the hell can you may a touchdown call when the players backs are to you Ref #26?

What a bunch of Crapola!!!

[CigarNut]

I was supporting the Seahawks, but this was ugly -- the refs did a dis-service to both teams and the fans as I think the Packers got robbed at the end...

[TJarv]

The officiating is getting worse with every game

[mkarnold1]

The NFL rulebook clearly states in Article 3, section 5
Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.

[LostAbbott]

The NFL rulebook clearly states in Article 3, section 5
Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.

Yes, it is clear that the announcers were biases against the Seahawks. With that said I know the fairly call opi on the last play of the game but Tates push off was blatant and completely unnessary.
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[dwoodward]

The NFL rulebook clearly states in Article 3, section 5
Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.

You need to read further into the playbook. It also states that if one party has the ball before the other party then the ball belongs to the original party.

They have been showing the replay non stop for the last hour, it's blatantly obvious that Jennings had the ball first. So according to the rule book, it's an interception.

It is what it is now. But I hope and pray for the sake of the NFL that the ref strike ends. These back up refs are horrible, not just that call, but a lot of call thru the game. The integrity of the entire league is at stake when these kind of things happen.

[TJarv]

You need to read further into the playbook. It also states that if one party has the ball before the other party then the ball belongs to the original party.

They have been showing the replay non stop for the last hour, it's blatantly obvious that Jennings had the ball first. So according to the rule book, it's an interception.

It is what it is now. But I hope and pray for the sake of the NFL that the ref strike ends. These back up refs are horrible, not just that call, but a lot of call thru the game. The integrity of the entire league is at stake when these kind of things happen.

X2

[Stephen]

The NFL rulebook clearly states in Article 3, section 5
Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.
Except it wasn't caught simultaneously. And that speaks nothing of the blatant OPI where Tate shoves Shields to the ground right before he jumps for the ball.

Russell Wilson; first player in NFL history to throw a game-winning interception.

[Stephen]

The NFL rulebook clearly states in Article 3, section 5
Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.
Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

:tu

[dwoodward]

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

:tu

Thank you Stephen, that's pretty much the rule I was referring too. I hate it when people cut out parts of rules to try to make their point. Shame on you mkarnold1... that's all I can say.

[bigunit66]

I agree with Rodgers..."That was awful, thats all I have to say."

[icehog3]

Thank you Stephen, that's pretty much the rule I was referring too. I hate it when people cut out parts of rules to try to make their point. Shame on you mkarnold1... that's all I can say.

Yeah, no milk and cookies for you. :rolleyes:

[dwoodward]

Can we give him a pointy hat?

[massphatness]

As a fan of the game, and without a rooting interest in the outcome of this one, that was horrible.

[Stephen]

Yeah, no milk and cookies for you. :rolleyes:
Wait...You guys hand out milk and cookies?

[14holestogie]

As a fan of the game, and without a rooting interest in the outcome of this one, that was horrible.

I did have a rooting interest in this one, but all I can say is, if any Seahawks fans feel good about this "win", then you have absolutely no b*tch on any calls that go blatantly against you in the future. You may be a Seahawk fan, but your respect for the game is MIA. :2

[pnoon]

Wait...You guys hand out milk and cookies?

Only to the children. ;s

[King James]

I'd be interested to see if Russell Wilson and Golden Tate are as confident in their interviews this week about the call as they were in post game. At least Pete Carroll seemed to be saying that the call is what the refs say it is, versus the players saying, slightly arrogantly, that it was without a doubt a catch and there was no pass interference. Not that I expect them to come out and say that the play was called wrong, but maybe take a different approach in answering.

[Mattso3000]

I've heard many commentators predict that, at some point, the replacement refs were going to cost someone a game... This is not, however, the first game in the history of the NFL to be decided by a blown call nor will it be the last. Blatant, yes. Unfortunate, yes. Unfair, maybe. The fact of the matter is, the Packers did not play well and left themselves at the mercy of the blown call.

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Sh!t like last night is the reason I'm watching less and less NFL and NBA games. How can you watch a sport with such consistant bad calls? It's really annoying, add that to the general change of how the game is played and called, it's getting hard for me to watch. I feel bad for the Packers and the fans, this coming from a life long Chicago Bears fan..

[Gophernut]

I feel bad for the Packers and the fans, this coming from a lifetime Chicago Bears fan..

X2. With the only change being that I am a life long Vikings fan...

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

Funny thing about the NFL, they DON'T care! NFL drags in sooo much money, people aren't going to stop watching games. They know that so why should they care about what's going on? It's going to get worse, trust me:2

[14holestogie]

I've heard many commentators predict that, at some point, the replacement refs were going to cost someone a game... This is not, however, the first game in the history of the NFL to be decided by a blown call nor will it be the last. Blatant, yes. Unfortunate, yes. Unfair, maybe. The fact of the matter is, the Packers did not play well and left themselves at the mercy of the blown call.

The Packers played good enough to win, and did in virtually everyone's eyes.

Did the officials officiate well enough to continue to be employed? Virtually everyone also agrees they did not.

Maybe it hasn't cost your team anything yet, but odds are it's going to if the NFL insists on using these replacement officials through the season.

[Mattso3000]

Didn't mean I don't sympathize. Sure they played well enough to win, but they also played poorly enough to lose. I'd be pissed if it happened to my team and at work last night actually was sympathetic to the many Packers fans I work with instead of rubbing salt in the wound like I would have expected a Vikes fan to do.

[hammondc]

Funneh

[Stephen]

Sh!t like last night is the reason I'm watching less and less NFL and NBA games. How can you watch a sport with such consistant bad calls? It's really annoying, add that to the general change of how the game is played and called, it's getting hard for me to watch. I feel bad for the Packers and the fans, this coming from a life long Chicago Bears fan..

X2. With the only change being that I am a life long Vikings fan...
You know it's bad when Vikings and Bears fans unite and say that the Packers got hosed. Surely this is a sign of the Apocalypse. :r

[ChicagoWhiteSox]

You know it's bad when Vikings and Bears fans unite and say that the Packers got hosed. Surely this is a sign of the Apocalypse. :r

Could have been any team:r I'm just getting sick and tired of bad calls, it's not like the past 5 years has had the best officials either.. With rule changes, and just stupid refs, I'll get behind any team to rip the league:r

[dwoodward]

I found this picture online this morning. Best image yet showing Tate never even had his hand on the ball.

This is apparently "Joint Possession" at it's finest. Bad calls happen all the time. This was the most obvious bad call tho, that's why it's getting so much attention.

Check the pic:
http://twitpic.com/ay40m6

[CigarNut]

I found this picture online this morning. Best image yet showing Tate never even had his hand on the ball.

This is apparently "Joint Possession" at it's finest. Bad calls happen all the time. This was the most obvious bad call tho, that's why it's getting so much attention.

Check the pic:
http://twitpic.com/ay40m6

It's getting much more attention because of the replacement refs. If the regular refs had made the call people still would have been pissed off, but it would have been much less of an incident overall. Just my :2

[shilala]

Up until that td crap at the end, the Seahawks were showing they had some badass game. (...albeit no offense, may they burn in hell for sitting Matt Flynn and going with Russell Wilson.)
Green Bay had just turned things around and made a real contest out of the game.
This was a damned good Monday Night Football game, period.
Then the blown rape call.
Then the blown mugging call in the endzone.
Then the blown td call.
That's 3 huge misses in a row that went against GB, and they cost them the game. All 3 clearly because the refs sucked horribly.
I'm not a guy that ever complains about refs, win or lose, and always say that my team should play better to overcome a bad call, because they are part of the game.
That last drive looked like they were paid, plain and simple. It was so pathetic and so obvious and so unnecessary. It made a mockery of the game, and to my thinking, the high and mighty standing of Goodell and the NFL.
(I watched an interview where Goodell completely dismissed the refs and flat out said they could have a better product on the field in 3 weeks. That was well over a month ago. I wanted to punch his smarmy mouth then, and far more now.)
Rant aside, my point was that the refs ruined what was a damed good Monday Night Game. A hard fought, well coached game that had a good bit of twist and drama. Instead of any talk about how good a game it was, all we talk about is the suck refs.
It's like the NFL has no desire to be anything better than Jerry Springer.
Perhaps they think we're all just that stupid, and that's what we want?

[Gophernut]

It's like the NFL has no desire to be anything better than Jerry Springer.
Perhaps they think we're all just that stupid, and that's what we want?

I think the NFL is so arrogant that they think that no matter what happens, all us sheep will continue to attend games, and watch on TV. As much as it bothers me what is going on with the ref's, will it make me stop watching my team? No. Will it make me watch something else if my team isn't involved? Maybe. What will it take to get this situation fixed? If this isn't impetus enough to get it moving then I don't know what will. Will we still be crabbing about this in the playoffs? I sure hope not.

[pektel]

Will it hinder ticket sales enough to black out games that would normally be televised?

I mean, it's not a big deal to flip the channel on Sunday to check out the game. But entirely another thing to actually visit the venue and watch the debauchery live and in person. To me, it would have an effect on whether or not I buy a ticket, sit in traffic, pay $9 for a beer, etc.

[mosesbotbol]

Why didn't they review the play at a minimum? I'd rather drag the game out than end it with questionable calls.

[icehog3]

Why didn't they review the play at a minimum? I'd rather drag the game out than end it with questionable calls.

I beilve touchdowns in the finals minutes are automatically reviewed....this one just wasn't reversed.

[sevans105]

Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs,” Packers guard T.J. Lang

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[TJarv]

Why didn't they review the play at a minimum? I'd rather drag the game out than end it with questionable calls.

It was reviewed

[Stephen]

I beilve touchdowns in the finals minutes are automatically reviewed....this one just wasn't reversed.
Every scoring play is now reviewed, Tom. I know being a Bears fan and all, you don't get to witness this much. But it does happen. :tu:D

[shilala]

If it takes the Packers getting screwed every week so that I don't have to hear about Tim Tebow anymore, I'm down.

[CigarNut]

Every scoring play is now reviewed, Tom. I know being a Bears fan and all, you don't get to witness this much. But it does happen. :tu:D

If it takes the Packers getting screwed every week so that I don't have to hear about Tim Tebow anymore, I'm down.

Two great quotes!!

:r

[King James]

I beilve touchdowns in the finals minutes are automatically reviewed....this one just wasn't reversed.

From my understanding, it was only reviewed to the extent that both players stayed in bounds and had the ball. A "simultaneous catch" cannot be changed by review, even if the ref was wrong to determine the play last night as a simultaneous catch, the fact that he did means the play cannot be changed.

Granted, I've been busy at school and away from a TV all day, so haven't heard anything else since last night.

[Stephen]

From my understanding, it was only reviewed to the extent that both players stayed in bounds and had the ball. A "simultaneous catch" cannot be changed by review, even if the ref was wrong to determine the play last night as a simultaneous catch, the fact that he did means the play cannot be changed.

Granted, I've been busy at school and away from a TV all day, so haven't heard anything else since last night.
NFL's, "official" statement (emphasis mine):

In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball.

While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay.

When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown.

Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review.

The result of the game is final.

Applicable rules to the play are as follows:

A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch:

A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and

(c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.).

When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states:

Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

[OLS]

I sure am glad I am boycotting the entire NFL.

[TJarv]

I sure am glad I am boycotting the entire NFL.

If this keeps up I'll join the cause

[mosesbotbol]

Can't wait for the familiar faces of the NFL ref's to come back.

[Justinphilly]

Of course the NFL made the statement they did. I have to imagine Goodell realizes it was the wrong call, but he HAS to support the replacements. I love Drew Brees' comments, "Ironic that our league punishes those based on conduct detrimental. Whose CONDUCT is DETRIMENTAL now?"

[icehog3]

Every scoring play is now reviewed, Tom. I know being a Bears fan and all, you don't get to witness this much. But it does happen. :tu:D

Only the defense! :r

Scott.....psssst.......Tim Tebow. :)

[IBQTEE1]

Yep the Packers have the ball.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll103/kbureta/PAckers.jpg

[icehog3]

Yep the Packers have the ball.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll103/kbureta/PAckers.jpg

And thanks to the refs, the loss. ;)

[mkarnold1]

Thank you Stephen, that's pretty much the rule I was referring too. I hate it when people cut out parts of rules to try to make their point. Shame on you mkarnold1... that's all I can say.

I was just trying to get a rise out of the packers fans out there. And I did. It is really easy to pick it apart after seeing the play in slow motion and make a big stink about it. The refs on the field do not have that luxury. At regular speed it looked very much like a simultaneous catch, the ref made the call he thought was right based on the information he had at the time and in accordance with the rule as he understood. The reason I did not put the second part of that rule in there, although I did read it, is that the referee on the field was calling the play a simultaneous catch and thus, a TD for the seahawks and at that point in time the next part of the rule is superfluous. After the TD call was made, it is very difficult to overturn because you cannot overturn possession based on instant replay. You know what I hate? When people say "shame on you". :gary

[King James]

I was just trying to get a rise out of the packers fans out there. And I did. It is really easy to pick it apart after seeing the play in slow motion and make a big stink about it. The refs on the field do not have that luxury. At regular speed it looked very much like a simultaneous catch, the ref made the call he thought was right based on the information he had at the time and in accordance with the rule as he understood. The reason I did not put the second part of that rule in there, although I did read it, is that the referee on the field was calling the play a simultaneous catch and thus, a TD for the seahawks and at that point in time the next part of the rule is superfluous. After the TD call was made, it is very difficult to overturn because you cannot overturn possession based on instant replay. You know what I hate? When people say "shame on you". :gary

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/non-replacements-had-a-hand-in-last-nights-debacle-too/

[mkarnold1]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/non-replacements-had-a-hand-in-last-nights-debacle-too/

Thanks for posting this article, it makes my point for me. Although Mike Florio makes the completely wrong statement "Make no mistake about it. This one could have been overturned. Rule 15, Section 9 makes the question of whether a pass was “ruled complete/incomplete/intercepted” subject to replay review, with no exception for questions of simultaneous possession."

The fact that no mention is given for simultaneous possession means that it cannot be reviewed, not that it can be. The question of possession is not one that can be reviewed, specifically because it is not on this list of situations that CAN be reviewed.

[King James]

Thanks for posting this article, it makes my point for me. Although Mike Florio makes the completely wrong statement "Make no mistake about it. This one could have been overturned. Rule 15, Section 9 makes the question of whether a pass was “ruled complete/incomplete/intercepted” subject to replay review, with no exception for questions of simultaneous possession."

The fact that no mention is given for simultaneous possession means that it cannot be reviewed, not that it can be. The question of possession is not one that can be reviewed, specifically because it is not on this list of situations that CAN be reviewed.

Per the NFL statement today:

In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone.

[mkarnold1]

Interesting, the rule book makes no differentiation between field of play and the end zone. They will need to add that in there if that is the official take. Thanks for the heads up.

[King James]

It breaks down to this, IMO:
1) the play was called incorrectly
2) its not going to be changed
3) the replacement refs are not qualified to call the games
4) the NFL doesn't care, because they are still making $

[icehog3]

It breaks down to this, IMO:
1) the play was called incorrectly
2) its not going to be changed
3) the replacement refs are not qualified to call the games
4) the NFL doesn't care, because they are still making $

Shame on you, King James.

[mkarnold1]

It's not the first time a team got screwed by a bad call, and it won't be the last. Regardless of who's officiating.

[14holestogie]

I heard Brett Favre is coming out of retirement, now that interceptions count as touchdowns. :D

[King James]

It's not the first time a team got screwed by a bad call, and it won't be the last. Regardless of who's officiating.

If you are coming to the defense of the replacement refs, we will have to just agree to disagree. Sure, the regular refs make mistakes, but not these kinds of egregious mistakes with the same amount of frequency that has happened in the first three weeks and over the course of the preseason.

[pnoon]

Shame on you, King James.

Don't forget to give him his cookie.

[King James]

Shame on you, King James.

:r


Don't forget to give him his cookie.

I thought those were only for the childre... wait. I see what you did there...

:sad




:)

[icehog3]

Who is Brent Farve?

:D

[larryinlc]

What bothers me a little more than the replacement refs bad calls last night is the NFL hierarchy backing them up all the way to the top. Is there no one at the NFL machine who has an ounce of integrity or decency to do the right thing? This "we got your back" attitude was carried a bit too far in this instance. Come on NFL, own this. I'm not asking to have the win/loss reversed, but it would be nice if you'd come clean and admit that you messed up. Right now, my opinion has you somewhere between roller derby and pro wrestling.

Larry

[Justinphilly]

What bothers me a little more than the replacement refs bad calls last night is the NFL hierarchy backing them up all the way to the top. Is there no one at the NFL machine who has an ounce of integrity or decency to do the right thing? This "we got your back" attitude was carried a bit too far in this instance. Come on NFL, own this. I'm not asking to have the win/loss reversed, but it would be nice if you'd come clean and admit that you messed up. Right now, my opinion has you somewhere between roller derby and pro wrestling.

Larry

I agree, but there is no chance they can do that. They have to support the refs and their decisions, because afterall it's the NFL's choice to keep using them. If they come out and show a lack of support for the decisions of these officials it will DESTROY any leverage the league thinks they have against the Real Refs. As much as I (and i think most others) agree that the call was terrible, the NFL is doing the right thing in supporting the officials.

Question... Was the replay official also a replacement?

[BeerAdvocate]

Jordy Nelson having a game. Kstater!!!!

[LostAbbott]

Yes the pack had a great game yesterday day. Good to see Rogers is finally feeling better after hitting the ground so often in Seattle.
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[Remo]

I guess Houston is not the team people thought theye were....they couldn't run the ball at all even with Charles Woodson was playing outside linebacker :lr

[dave]

Enjoyed that game immensely. I was, however, getting pretty concerned about the injuries: D.J. Smith and Brandon Saine look serious. Nick Perry and Sam Shields didn't come back in, either. Already without Raji, Bishop, Benson, Jennings, DJ Williams....

I know that every team has to contend with injuries...and we're not talking about Rodgers, Matthews, Woodson...... But, to tell the truth, I don't really care much about other teams' injuries...unless they impact my fantasy teams.

[RevSmoke]

Enjoyed that game immensely. I was, however, getting pretty concerned about the injuries: D.J. Smith and Brandon Saine look serious. Nick Perry and Sam Shields didn't come back in, either. Already without Raji, Bishop, Benson, Jennings, DJ Williams....

I know that every team has to contend with injuries...and we're not talking about Rodgers, Matthews, Woodson...... But, to tell the truth, I don't really care much about other teams' injuries...unless they impact my fantasy teams.

Add Woodson to the list. Lots of injuries. Could this be 2010 all over again?

[RevSmoke]

Ugly game on Sunday, but it was a win.

I must say, I am hoping that the bye week allows a few guys to get healed up.

[MarkinAZ]

Ugly game on Sunday, but it was a win.

I must say, I am hoping that the bye week allows a few guys to get healed up.

Ugly it was Todd, but a win nonetheless considering injuries to some of our key players.

It will be good for them to have this time off and continue their physical therapy back to recovery.

They have a couple of key games coming up on the road with Detroit at Ford Field and the Giants at MetLife Stadium...

[RevSmoke]

Ugly it was Todd, but a win nonetheless considering injuries to some of our key players.

It will be good for them to have this time off and continue their physical therapy back to recovery.

They have a couple of key games coming up on the road with Detroit at Ford Field and the Giants at MetLife Stadium...

Clay Matthews out for 3 weeks? :gary :jd

Jordy is out again.

Jennings has about 4 weeks for surgery recovery.

Keeping them (and all the others) in my prayers for healing and recovery ---AND--- that no others are injured.

[MarkinAZ]

...PACKERS @ DETROIT:gl

So here's my thoughts for the upcoming second half:

Maybe our RT, #71 Sutton, ought to get the lead out of his britches and learn to block. He's been totally useless against Suh of Detroit, holding penalties, and doesn't hold his running block long. The boy is getting paid to do a job, so do it. Oh yes, you may receive a little pain here and there, but that's part of the job. Just put that big body of yours in front of the other person and seal the deal...

Ok, rant is over...:D

[RevSmoke]

...PACKERS @ DETROIT:gl

So here's my thoughts for the upcoming second half:

Maybe our RT, #71 Sutton, ought to get the lead out of his britches and learn to block. He's been totally useless against Suh of Detroit, holding penalties, and doesn't hold his running block long. The boy is getting paid to do a job, so do it. Oh yes, you may receive a little pain here and there, but that's part of the job. Just put that big body of yours in front of the other person and seal the deal...

Ok, rant is over...:D


Amen.

Let me add though, not much of the Packer team is looking good. Defense is stinkin' up the place.

Crosby doesn't know how to aim an FG.

How did he miss that interception, right through his hands and into Johnson's. ouch!!!

[14holestogie]

Wow. Another miss by Crosby. I hope he saved some money for his retirement. It might be starting next week.

[MarkinAZ]

Crosby doesn't know how to aim an FG.


Apparently, Crosby is still not aiming correctly:bh


Is there something going on with Crosby that we don't know about? I mean, this is like #4 he's missed today...

Maybe I just need another cup of coffee:D:cf1

[MarkinAZ]

Glad somebody knows how to kick it through the uprights:rolleyes: Its just not our side at this time...

[MarkinAZ]

...:noon Randal Cobb:noon

[14holestogie]

The defense showed up for a series. :noon

[MarkinAZ]

Well, that one is now in the books and score a win. Thank goodness:tu

Tim and Todd, have a great upcoming week and Thanksgiving:D

[14holestogie]

Well, that one is now in the books and score a win. Thank goodness:tu

Tim and Todd, have a great upcoming week and Thanksgiving:D

The same wish sent out for you, Mark.
Just another black and blue division game. Seldom pretty, usually close, the only hope is to get out fairly healthy with a hard fought win.
I just hope Crosby's wounded psych comes around.

[RevSmoke]

Thanks Mark. God's blessings on your Thanksgiving as we'll.

Peace of The Lord be with you.

[MarkinAZ]

On tap this evening:

Packers at New York Giants:tu

How we looking for starters returning to tonights game? Are Nelson and Jennings returning this evening??

[dwoodward]

The way it's looking is that Matthews will still be out. Jennings is a maybe from what I have seen but most likely a no. And Nelson is back.

[MarkinAZ]

The way it's looking is that Matthews will still be out. Jennings is a maybe from what I have seen but most likely a no. And Nelson is back.

I just finished reading the sports section of the Green Bay Press Gazette. Not to many positive thoughts coming forward from their writers. They probably haven't been Packer fans all that long;)

[icehog3]

Maybe they are just very insightful? ;s :r

[MarkinAZ]

Maybe they are just very insightful? ;s :r


...:tg;)

[14holestogie]

Let's just say that the Giants have had the Packers number the last couple of years. That number has been disconnected, I'm hoping. :)

[icehog3]

Let's just say that the Giants have had the Packers number the last couple of years. That number has been disconnected, I'm hoping. :)

Can you hear me now? ;s

[MarkinAZ]

Yuck! What a mess last night huh? Packers lose to the Giants 38-10. A couple of suggestions:

1. We need the injured players healthy once again.

2. Pass protection, pass protection, pass protection.

Did I mention pass protection?:fp2

[timj219]

It's a good day to be a Giants fan. But if both teams continue to play well we could see a rematch in January.

[MarkinAZ]

...I think what would really help the Packers is if McCarthy and Rogers would lose that hair growth from underneath their noses:D

[dave]

Wow....can't find anything good to say about that game at all. Don't think we could have beaten the Eagles this week. No O-line whatsoever. I've never seen Rogers looking so lost and beaten down. He looked as though he couldn't wait for the game to end - like he didn't even want to be out there. Did he ever even look for anyone besides Kuhn and Cobb? Did he ever have time to look for anyone else?

I guess the only positive thought I have from this game is that Rogers was able to walk off the field instead of getting carted off.

And what of that D-line? Eli can't throw with someone in his face - we didn't get near him. And, I'd bet the defense is going to be doing a few tackling drills this week.
Disgusting.

[Blak Smyth]

Packers dissapointed me this week, dissapointed me big time.

[Stephen]

Although the score was more lopsided than I anticipated, the outcome wasn't. For reasons unbeknownst to me, Coughlin's Giants always play well in those scenarios.

[MarkinAZ]

:noon...Really happy to see the Packers pull out a 23-14 win over the Vikings at home. Wasn't able to watch the game, but only follow it through nfl.com.

Damn Seahawks blew their lead and let the Bears stay alive. Now the game is in OT...:po

[MarkinAZ]

Ok, so the Seahawks redeemed themselves with an OT win over the Bears. Yesssssss!!!

[MarkinAZ]

...and, the Colts take out the Lion's too:tu

A great week in the Black and Blue division...

[14holestogie]

Place kicking is still rather foggy, but Crosby may have redeemed himself for another week.

[Mattso3000]

Great comeback by the Colts. Watching the Vikings offense is more than painful. Ponder is not good, the wide receivers are terrible without Harvin, and the coaching staff seems to have no idea what to do besides give the ball to AP. Should have been an easier win than it was for the Pack.

[14holestogie]

Great comeback by the Colts. Watching the Vikings offense is more than painful. Ponder is not good, the wide receivers are terrible without Harvin, and the coaching staff seems to have no idea what to do besides give the ball to AP. Should have been an easier win than it was for the Pack.

With all our injuries, there is no such thing as an easy or pretty win for the Packers. We're just hoping to keep it close enough to give us a chance.

[icehog3]

A great week in the Black and Blue division...



Opinions vary.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/lethimdie.jpg

[MarkinAZ]

Opinions vary...

:D...How true that is...

http://packershalloffame.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Ray-Nitschke-VB-2.jpg

[MarkinAZ]

SUNDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL...

LION'S @ PACKERS...:tu


On the positive side, Vikings took care of the Bears today that should help us with a Packer win tonight at Lambeau Field:banger

[14holestogie]

I got two naps in today. I may actually make it through the whole game. :)

[icehog3]

If the Lions' offense doesn't put you to sleep...... :r

[RevSmoke]

If the Lions' offense doesn't put you to sleep...... :r

Then the Packer defense will.

[14holestogie]

Just caught a pic of Larry the Cable Guy at the game in a sleeveless Packer camo shirt. "Git R Done" :D

[MarkinAZ]

Great win tonight for the Packers and loved seeing all that wet snow coming down during the first half.

Love an open air stadium:tu

[BHalbrooks]

I watched a little bit of this at work. When the Lions were up 14-0 I thought, "Wow, maybe the Lions can actually win at Lambeau." Then Stafford tried to recover the fumble and punched it to a Packer and they ran it back for 40 yards. Same old Lions.

Good game by the Packers though.

[RevSmoke]

I have been pondering some things. I have seen Rodgers struggling this year, and it appears there is discontent on the offense. Yesterday, when he to the sidelines, he gave his helmet away and then went off and was by himself. He did not go and look at pictures or a pay book. He did not go and talk with other players. He went and sat - ALONE.

I am sorry but that does not bode well in my book.

[14holestogie]

I have been pondering some things. I have seen Rodgers struggling this year, and it appears there is discontent on the offense. Yesterday, when he to the sidelines, he gave his helmet away and then went off and was by himself. He did not go and look at pictures or a pay book. He did not go and talk with other players. He went and sat - ALONE.

I am sorry but that does not bode well in my book.

You may be reading more into this than it deserves, Todd.
Would you rather have him get into his teammates when they miss a block or drop a pass, ala a certain qb from just south of here? :)
Not sure struggling is the right word either. Is he having another MVP year?
Probably not, but I'll bet he's still in the top 5 of leading every qb stat. I'll take that.

[MarkinAZ]

You may be reading more into this than it deserves, Todd.
Would you rather have him get into his teammates when they miss a block or drop a pass, ala a certain qb from just south of here? :)
Not sure struggling is the right word either. Is he having another MVP year?
Probably not, but I'll bet he's still in the top 5 of leading every qb stat. I'll take that.

...and sometimes it just better to go off by yourself and ponder life (the game) too.

I was also impressed by the Packers runner game too...

[bdgile]

A win is a win


As a fellow Wisconsinite and Packer Backer... I AGREE!!!

[RevSmoke]

You may be reading more into this than it deserves, Todd.
Would you rather have him get into his teammates when they miss a block or drop a pass, ala a certain qb from just south of here? :)
Not sure struggling is the right word either. Is he having another MVP year?
Probably not, but I'll bet he's still in the top 5 of leading every qb stat. I'll take that.

No, I'd rather he didn't pull a Cutler. Although, if you were watching, he did have words toward such people - especially if you were able to read lips.

I will agree that he is not having an MVP year. But it appears that there is dissension in the ranks toward him and him toward others.

I am also approaching this from the perspective that I have heard others say that there may be grumblings in the locker room of dissatisfaction between offensive players, and it may be affecting chemistry on the field as well as off the field.

When I talk about struggling, that is what I mean.

I pray it isn't true, I'd like to think that these guys are pretty cohesive. But...

[dave]

Can't put my finger on specifics, Rev, but I gotta agree with you. Who'd Rodgers single out in post-game interview? Certainly wasn't the wideouts or TE's. Only mentioned one of his linemen by name. Why sing praises of a RB who make the roster in Jacksonville and had all of 31 yards rushing? And I don't expect the defense to ever play together as a team as well as they could with Woodson and Matthews both out. They aren't the whole D, but they make the whole D better.
No way I'd bet money on them to beat NYG, SF or ATL in any venue right now. Or even Seattle.

[MarkinAZ]

Relieved to see the Packers pulled through in todays game again the Bears, but couldn't quite understand the bonehead call on 4th down when the Packers attempted a "trick" play and the Bears recovered. Jeeez, let's just play football and punt the damned ball and cover appropriately.

This is a must game for the Packers and you don't need to be attempting "trick" plays period this late in the 4th Qrt.

Happy to see they took the NFC North again...:tu

[Mattso3000]

Congrats to the Pack on another division championship! Heres to hoping the Bears lose out.

[14holestogie]

We are the champions. :)
We'll see how far we go with our place-kicking capabilities. :gary
I liked Jimmy Johnson's analogy. Kickers get replaced when they get the yips. You don't know if it lasts a month or a year, but a playoff run is not the time to be trying to work your way out of it.

[MarkinAZ]

I liked Jimmy Johnson's analogy. Kickers get replaced when they get the yips. You don't know if it lasts a month or a year, but a playoff run is not the time to be trying to work your way out of it.

I was originally watching the Giants/Falcons game, when Fox decided to switch to the Packers/Bears game (to my delight). So Crosby missed 2 attempts today?

[MarkinAZ]

Congrats to the Pack on another division championship! Heres to hoping the Bears lose out.

Hey, AP of the Vikings ran like a race horse today:tu

[14holestogie]

I was originally watching the Giants/Falcons game, when Fox decided to switch to the Packers/Bears game (to my delight). So Crosby missed 2 attempts today?


Missed badly on his first attempt and doinked another off the upright. I know his last 15 attempts or so, maybe 3 went through the middle of the uprights. He definitely has some issues, either mechanical or mentally.

[Emjaysmash]

Missed badly on his first attempt and doinked another off the upright. I know his last 15 attempts or so, maybe 3 went through the middle of the uprights. He definitely has some issues, either mechanical or mentally.
Had an "conversation" on facebook about how poorly he's doing right now. I was basically told that if I felt that way, I should try to do better. Pay me 1.65 million dollars this year and I will definitely try!

[14holestogie]

Had an "conversation" on facebook about how poorly he's doing right now. I was basically told that if I felt that way, I should try to do better. Pay me 1.65 million dollars this year and I will definitely try!

I don't think they have a helmet to fit you. ;):r

[Emjaysmash]

I don't think they have a helmet to fit you. ;):r

Funny, I've heard that a lot. :noon

[14holestogie]

Funny, I've heard that a lot. :noon

:r

[RevSmoke]

I don't think they have a helmet to fit you. ;):r

You know, I don't know if he could play football. Is there a Jewish law somewhere? I am not trying to be funny, but curious.

I do not know of any Jewish football player - ever. Is/Was there one?

[14holestogie]

You know, I don't know if he could play football. Is there a Jewish law somewhere? I am not trying to be funny, but curious.

I do not know of any Jewish football player - ever. Is/Was there one?

Gabe Carimi and Podlesh, Bears punter were a couple we played today. There's a few more out there.

http://www.jewishtimes.com/index.php/jewishtimes/article/active_jewish_nfl_players/

[RevSmoke]

Gabe Carimi and Podlesh, Bears punter were a couple we played today. There's a few more out there.

http://www.jewishtimes.com/index.php/jewishtimes/article/active_jewish_nfl_players/

Cool!

[Stephen]

We are the champions. :)
We'll see how far we go with our place-kicking capabilities. :gary
I know that cartoon's not Crosby. That cartoon is kicking what he's aiming for...

[Stephen]

I do not know of any Jewish football player - ever. Is/Was there one?
I believe Gabe Carimi (Bear Jew) and Greg Camarillo are. As far as all time, I know that Sid Luckman, Andre Tippett, and Ron Nix are.

[Stephen]

Relieved to see the Packers pulled through in todays game again the Bears, but couldn't quite understand the bonehead call on 4th down when the Packers attempted a "trick" play and the Bears recovered. Jeeez, let's just play football and punt the damned ball and cover appropriately.

This is a must game for the Packers and you don't need to be attempting "trick" plays period this late in the 4th Qrt.

Happy to see they took the NFC North again...:tu
Good grief, they went full retard on that play. I honestly can't say what upset me more; the first miss by Crosby or that play.

[dave]

Anybody know what Ryan Longwell's up to? I know there's millions tied up in Crosby, but he's bad enough now that it isn't just the missed kicks....he's going to be affecting all aspects of offensive playcalling and game planning now. At the very least, bringing in someone else to compete with might be the smack upside his head that he needs right now. Or just replace him. Those 3 or 4 million aren't worth the risk of causing a future playoff loss.

[RevSmoke]

I believe Gabe Carimi (Bear Jew) and Greg Camarillo are. As far as all time, I know that Sid Luckman, Andre Tippett, and Ron Nix are.

I should have remembered Sid Luckman.

[Stephen]

Anybody know what Ryan Longwell's up to? I know there's millions tied up in Crosby, but he's bad enough now that it isn't just the missed kicks....he's going to be affecting all aspects of offensive playcalling and game planning now. At the very least, bringing in someone else to compete with might be the smack upside his head that he needs right now. Or just replace him. Those 3 or 4 million aren't worth the risk of causing a future playoff loss.
It's already affecting playcalling. First drive in the second half they go for it on 4th & 6, well within field goal range, only up seven. Now, they ended up converting the 4th down and scored a touchdown on that drive, but nine times out of ten in a one possession game with that much time left on the clock, a team is going to take the, "automatic" three.

[RevSmoke]

It has been affecting play calling for a few weeks now.

[Stephen]

It has been affecting play calling for a few weeks now.
Agreed.

[shilala]

Good grief, they went full retard on that play. I honestly can't say what upset me more; the first miss by Crosby or that play.
I'm all about going for it on fourth down or throwing some trickfoolery in there. They scream about Tomlin being aggressive every week. I'm 100% behind him, you gotta play your odds, stick your neck out, nothing ventured nothing gained, all that stuff. Football requires balls.
There was no call for that play whatsoever. They didn't need it, it wasn't strategic, and all it could have done is served them up a loss.
Personally, I threw up, swore at the tv, and texted Stephen to make sure he hadn't run head-first through his tv. :lr

I thought maybe they wanted to try out the play in a live situation to see if their gadgetry worked. That didn't even make sense. It tipped their hand to the whole league and now they can't possibly drag it out if they need it during their playoff run.

There's only one answer. Crack pipe.
(Really I think the coaching staff just got caught up thinking too hard and made a silly mistake. McCarthy probably can't come up with an answer, either. Someone should have jerked his headset off.)

[MarkinAZ]

Personally, I threw up, swore at the tv, and texted Stephen to make sure he hadn't run head-first through his tv. :lr


:D...Got that posted on YouTube yet Scott???

[MarkinAZ]

Didn't get to see any of the game out this way, but it must of been enjoyable to watch at Lambeau Field today. Seeing the score so far on Fox: Packers 55, Titans 7:tu

[14holestogie]

Didn't get to see any of the game out this way, but it must of been enjoyable to watch at Lambeau Field today. Seeing the score so far on Fox: Packers 55, Titans 7:tu


My son streamed it on the computer for us to watch while in FL. That's the way the games are supposed to go. Stress-free. :D

We were kinda ticked they lost the shut out in the closing minutes. ;)

[MarkinAZ]

My son streamed it on the computer for us to watch while in FL. That's the way the games are supposed to go. Stress-free. :D

We were kinda ticked they lost the shut out in the closing minutes. ;)

:D...You get a little relaxed and that stuff happens Tim.

Gonna be a good game next week with the Packers playing the Vikings in Minnesota. I think we'll get that game on FOX out this way since its a NFC North Black and Blue game:tu

[RevSmoke]

Didn't get to see any of the game out this way, but it must of been enjoyable to watch at Lambeau Field today. Seeing the score so far on Fox: Packers 55, Titans 7:tu


Son, Nathan, and one of his buddies went to the game.

They said they had a blast, the crowd was absolutely stoked.

[RevSmoke]

My son streamed it on the computer for us to watch while in FL. That's the way the games are supposed to go. Stress-free. :D

We were kinda ticked they lost the shut out in the closing minutes. ;)

Come on, didn't you pay attention to the coverage? They were protecting about the long ball.

[Stephen]

:D...You get a little relaxed and that stuff happens Tim.

Gonna be a good game next week with the Packers playing the Vikings in Minnesota. I think we'll get that game on FOX out this way since its a NFC North Black and Blue game:tu
With both teams having something to play for, to boot. Should be a fun one to watch.:tu

[shilala]

I was really pulling for AP to beat Dickerson's record. With his sub 100 yard game yesterday I think he needs around 212 yards against the Pack next week to beat Dickerson, around 100 to hit 2,000. Shame he's not gonna get either.
With no Percy Harvin, you'd think it'd be all AP. After yesterday, even with the big win for the Vikes, I think they showed they just aren't dynamic enough to beat a team like the Packers.
I'm wondering how McCarthy will bring it next week? If he comes with some silly, conservative, protect his players gameplan, he's likely to let the Vikes stick a foot in the door. They need to hit that game full speed ahead. :tu

[Stephen]

I was really pulling for AP to beat Dickerson's record. With his sub 100 yard game yesterday I think he needs around 212 yards against the Pack next week to beat Dickerson, around 100 to hit 2,000. Shame he's not gonna get either.
With no Percy Harvin, you'd think it'd be all AP. After yesterday, even with the big win for the Vikes, I think they showed they just aren't dynamic enough to beat a team like the Packers.
You realize that Peterson got about eleventy billion yards against us not even a month ago, right?
I'm wondering how McCarthy will bring it next week? If he comes with some silly, conservative, protect his players gameplan, he's likely to let the Vikes stick a foot in the door. They need to hit that game full speed ahead. :tu
With a bye week on the line, I seriously doubt this is the case.

[14holestogie]

About the only one on the team who's played more than the last 3 weeks in a row is A-Rod. All the others have fresh legs or are just coming back from injury and need the playing time to get the timing down. I don't foresee a repeat of last years mistake in week 17.

But, I wouldn't put a fork in AP quite yet. ;)

[shilala]

You realize that Peterson got about eleventy billion yards against us not even a month ago, right?

With a bye week on the line, I seriously doubt this is the case.

Yeah, you guys were about as challenging as running through orange cones. I'm guessing someone in that organization understands tape and can plug enough holes to shut AP off.

I'm just thinking out loud, but I'm guessing McCarthy is pretty certain about whooping up the Vikes right now. Who isn't? It just makes me wonder "from what angle does he build his game plan?"
It's should have a playoff game feel with the stakes involved, but I'm wondering if he wants to get the team in playoff mode this early? It'd be a lot nicer if this was a "coast off into the playoffs" game.
I'm just looking forward to see how he approaches it. The Pack is my team now that my boys are headed for a long golf season.

[Stephen]

Yeah, you guys were about as challenging as running through orange cones. I'm guessing someone in that organization understands tape and can plug enough holes to shut AP off.
Our run defense is about as stout as wet one-ply toilet paper. Ever since the bye week it's been downright putrid (for a variety of reasons).
I'm just thinking out loud, but I'm guessing McCarthy is pretty certain about whooping up the Vikes right now. Who isn't? It just makes me wonder "from what angle does he build his game plan?"
It's should have a playoff game feel with the stakes involved, but I'm wondering if he wants to get the team in playoff mode this early? It'd be a lot nicer if this was a "coast off into the playoffs" game.
I'm just looking forward to see how he approaches it. The Pack is my team now that my boys are headed for a long golf season.
This early? It's Week 17...:r

[MarkinAZ]

:emo2004 Packer D, such poooooooor tackling techniques on Peterson:confused::sh

[mkarnold1]

Peterson just makes the tackling LOOK poor. Because he's a beast.

[MarkinAZ]

Peterson just makes the tackling LOOK poor. Because he's a beast.

That's no call for poor tackling. You have to wrap him up with lower arms and body...

[mkarnold1]

Peterson's lateral quickness makes it difficult to get solid body contact on him, and his strength makes it tough to bring him down with an arm tackle. This makes tackles that would otherwise be "good" into poor, or missed tackles. Thus, Peterson makes the tackling poor.

[Moose6026]

I am a Bears fan but pulling for the Pack to win today, c'mon little help please

[14holestogie]

You know we're just toying with you Bears fans. We like to see you sweat. :)

[mkarnold1]

Damn, this a hell of a game. I thought the Vikes were going down in flames after the Pack tied it up, but they put the pressure on with that last score!

[RevSmoke]

I like good, close games... Except when they are my team against another.

Cal me selfish that way. :D

Go! Pack!! Go !!!

[mkarnold1]

See you again next week guys!

[Remo]

Door closes on the Bears, rematch next week!

[14holestogie]

See you again next week guys!

We'll fire up the AC for you guys. :)
Good game today.

[Remo]

I like good, close games... Except when they are my team against another.

Cal me selfish that way. :D

Go! Pack!! Go !!!

Packer fan huh? who'd a thought :r

[MarkinAZ]

Left during the 2nd Qrt to go see The Hobbit in 3D with the wife. Daughter was texting me with one of the scores when the Vikes were up 20-17 at some point. Guess I missed a close one this afternoon. Vikes 37-34 over the Pack. Drops the Pack down to #3 seed in the playoffs. Vikes come to Lambeau next week?:dr

[dave]

Great game. Surprisingly, I'm not really all that disappointed....for a couple/few reasons....

1. Bears are done
2. I'm far more confident about next week's game.
3. I think we need a week of game-work more than a week off
4. Bears are done :)

[Stephen]

Peterson's lateral quickness makes it difficult to get solid body contact on him, and his strength makes it tough to bring him down with an arm tackle. This makes tackles that would otherwise be "good" into poor, or missed tackles. Thus, Peterson makes the tackling poor.
When has arm tackling ever been considered, "good"? :confused:

[Stephen]

Great game. Surprisingly, I'm not really all that disappointed....for a couple/few reasons....

1. Bears are done
2. I'm far more confident about next week's game.
3. I think we need a week of game-work more than a week off
4. Bears are done :)
If anything our defense should be nice and fresh since they took yesterday off.

[icehog3]

Great game. Surprisingly, I'm not really all that disappointed....for a couple/few reasons....

1. Bears are done
2. I'm far more confident about next week's game.
3. I think we need a week of game-work more than a week off
4. Bears are done :)

I hate the Packers and their fans more than ever now. ;) :lr

[mkarnold1]

When has arm tackling ever been considered, "good"? :confused:

Arm tackles have never been considered good tackles. You didn't read what I said. Adrian Peterson's lateral speed and agility make it more difficult to get solid body contact. This causes what would be a good tackle on 99% of RB's into an arm tackle, not a good tackle. This is why he leads the league in yards after contact.

[Stephen]

Arm tackles have never been considered good tackles. You didn't read what I said.
I blame your Great Lakes accent.:D

[mkarnold1]

I blame your Great Lakes accent.:D

I could see that, what with the long double o in good and all. :r:r:r

[RevSmoke]

I like good, close games... Except when they are my team against another.

Cal me selfish that way. :D

Go! Pack!! Go !!!

Packer fan huh? who'd a thought :r

Well, ummm... Yes!

[RevSmoke]

I must admit, I am not all that confident, even in Lambeau, that the Packers can beat the Vikings - or anybody else. The defense is definitely not up to snuff.

A few years ago, everybody said how good the defense was. They were not. They allowed more yards running and passing than just about anybody else. They were however, great in takeaways. While that is nice, you cannot depend on takeaways to win games, they may not happen. That approach is to rely upon the weaknesses of other teams offenses.

This year we cannot stop anybody consistently, and the number of takeaways being generated isn't helping.

I don't see myself as a pessimist (although that is the label my sons have given me). I am trying to be honestly critical though, and maybe it might be a bit over-critical. But, I'd rather be surprised than disappointed.

[taltos]

Good luck to your Packers in the playoffs Rev. I would love a rematch in the Super Bowl.:tu

[Miles91Collins]

I will admit that I am not sure where the Pack will go this year.

[RevSmoke]

Good luck to your Packers in the playoffs Rev. I would love a rematch in the Super Bowl.:tu

That would be cool.

[MarkinAZ]

VIKINGS @ PACKERS...:noon

Field looks in good condition from what I can see on the Lambeau Cam this morning. Currently 18* expected to warm-up to 25* around game time:rolleyes:

Looking forward to this game this evening out our way:tu

[RevSmoke]

Looking good. Seems they have put a bit of a handle on AP tonight.

[icehog3]

Who do the Packers play next week? I need to know who I am rooting for. :r

[RevSmoke]

Who do the Packers play next week? I need to know who I am rooting for. :r

San Fran.

[MarkinAZ]

Who do the Packers play next week? I need to know who I am rooting for. :r

You can root for the Packers Tom:D:tu

[RevSmoke]

Pack looked better this week than last. We need to find a way to keep Rodgers from getting hit.

[MarkinAZ]

Good to see the Pack Def contain AP from getting to the outside tonight. Woodson was definately a positive asset on the field too...

Pack looked better this week than last. We need to find a way to keep Rodgers from getting hit.

The O-line could hang with the D-line a bit longer (would definately help).

[icehog3]

You can root for the Packers Tom:D:tu


Not bloody likely, Mark. ;) :lr

[Stephen]

Who do the Packers play next week? I need to know who I am rooting for. :r
I like it when you root against the Pack, Tom. You rooted for them Week 17 and look how that turned out. :)

[icehog3]

I like it when you root against the Pack, Tom. You rooted for them Week 17 and look how that turned out. :)

See?....I'm like Clay Matthews' personal good luck troll. ;)

[Stephen]

See?....I'm like Clay Matthews' personal good luck troll. ;)
He's so good, quarterbacks trip over him (literally) just to have the honor of saying that they were once sacked by Clay Matthews.

[icehog3]

He's so good, quarterbacks trip over him (literally) just to have the honor of saying that they were once sacked by Clay Matthews.

Either that, or they mistook him for Carmen Electra.

[RevSmoke]

Either that, or they mistook him for Carmen Electra.

I think his hair is longer. :D

[icehog3]

I think his hair is longer. :D

He is definitely more feminine. ;)

[RevSmoke]

He is definitely more feminine. ;)

You can tell him that, I won't.

[icehog3]

You can tell him that, I won't.

Son of a Beech won't return my calls...I just wanted the "discount double check'! :D

[RevSmoke]

Son of a Beech won't return my calls...I just wanted the "discount double check'! :D

I think that is State Farm and Rodgers.

Matthews is in his special room with his Fathead.

[icehog3]

I think that is State Farm and Rodgers.

Matthews is in his special room with his Fathead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC7A4MIRLyw ;)

[14holestogie]

Nice start. :)

[RWhisenand]

Go Colin!!

What a great story Colin Kaepernick from UNR playing against his favorite team growing up.

BTW Ray Lewis is the greatest football player from the past decade! What a game from Denver! go Ravens!

[14holestogie]

Well looky there. :tu

[RWhisenand]

Yup lookie there, I am really not a football fan at all, but its been single digits outside all day, so we've been stuck inside watching football, and qualifying from Phoenix SX on live stream. Colin went to UNR, right down the road, and created quite a bit of excitement for northern NV. So I guess I'll root for his team. Yea, the Ravens played a great game against Denver. I hope next week is warmer, I don't know how people can sit inside and watch football all day, oh well, SX starts in a bit.

[MarkinAZ]

Yuck!!! Two turnovers by the Pack:sl

[MarkinAZ]

Don't understand the Packer D leaving the middle open for SF QB???

[RevSmoke]

Packers are not playing up to their ability. Although, I don't know what else to expect.

[MarkinAZ]

I'm scared Todd...:rolleyes:

[icehog3]

The Pack will need to contain Kaebernick to win this game...over 100 yeards rushing in the 1st half.

[14holestogie]

The fact they are only down 3 after getting totally outplayed in the first half is encouraging. Time for McCarthy to do his usual halftime adjustments and pull this biotch out.

[RevSmoke]

I'm scared Todd...:rolleyes:

Not scared, but certainly not confident in any way, shape, or form.

The Pack will need to contain Kaebernick to win this game...over 100 yeards rushing in the 1st half.

This is most certianly true.

The fact they are only down 3 after getting totally outplayed in the first half is encouraging. Time for McCarthy to do his usual halftime adjustments and pull this biotch out.

Yes, it is. Hopefully McCarthy can do that.

OK, first series this half wasn't good.

[RevSmoke]

Crosby kicked a field goal. I will admit, I did close my eyes for that.

[icehog3]

Crosby kicked a field goal. I will admit, I did close my eyes for that.

Barely. :lr

[icehog3]

I told you about Kaepernick......

[14holestogie]

I told you about Kaepernick......

I think I'll drive down to New London and kick his uncle in the nads. ;)

[RevSmoke]

Kaeperinick had a clear field. How could they keep AP contained, but we cannot keep Kaeperick under control? Seriously?

[icehog3]

I think I'll drive down to New London and kick his uncle in the nads. ;)

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/kick.jpg

[Stephen]

Kaeperinick had a clear field. How could they keep AP contained, but we cannot keep Kaeperick under control? Seriously?
AP was still tired from running all over us the week prior. That's the only logical explanation.

[RWhisenand]

I told you about Kaepernick......

Could of told you a few years ago, he lite up the place while at UNR, great athlete. Hope the D-bag who was criticizing his Tatuajes and his inability to lead because of them is watching.