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Powers
11-01-2011, 11:52 AM
But GOD do you guys have the finest women
in the South.
Florida might not be the hottest football team in the SEC this year, but our girls still are :noon
Not even close, Mike......They wear swimsuits more, but the genes are in Bama's favor, I'm afraid.
NOW, they DO have more fat women per capita in Bama than FLA, so you have that, anyway.
Florida might not be the hottest football team in the SEC this year, but our girls still are :noon
Nope, they are up there but not on the top.
rizzle
11-02-2011, 08:42 AM
Nope, they are up there but not on the top.
I'd put South Carolina's freaks up there with the best of them. Gotta say, though, Pretty much every campus I've ever been on, with the exception of the Naval Academy, ;) is loaded with hotties. Hard to go wrong anywhere. :tu
jjirons69
11-02-2011, 10:14 AM
Damn it, Ritchie, you knew what I meant - Bama is favored by 4.5, so -4.5. -/+ what's the difference, you guys are going to win by 7. ;)
I'd put South Carolina's freaks up there with the best of them. Gotta say, though, Pretty much every campus I've ever been on, with the exception of the Naval Academy, ;) is loaded with hotties. Hard to go wrong anywhere. :tu
OK, then I am guessing young is the characteristic of note?? I'm up for that, without question.
Bama loses.............................Jamie you are deluded....come over to the purple side.
Powers
11-02-2011, 04:39 PM
Cocktail parties ain't the only thing done outside for the Florida-Georgia game:
http://www.brobible.com/bronews/story/florida-students-sex-on-picnic-table
Surely there was a more secluded spot that did not require jumping a 6ft fence??
:r
rizzle
11-03-2011, 09:46 AM
I've been putting a lot more thought into the game, Brad. Bama still wins.
:noon
Powers
11-03-2011, 12:09 PM
I like the Tide at home as well, but I'm staying away from bettin' on this one
SvilleKid
11-03-2011, 01:13 PM
The game DOES present me with One BIG problem!!! I will be driving my wife back home from Mississippi Saturday night, on a route that normally takes us thru T-town, and probably right around 10:30 to 11:00 pm. Exactly when I figure the game will be over!!! All routes that by-pass T-town are back-roads. Twisty, rolling, two-lane roads thru the woods type back-roads. And will add at least 50 more miles driving.
Is the extra driving time, on less than optimal roads, in the dark, a better option than "after-game" traffic on the interstate and/or U.S. Hwy 11? Keep in mind that I will be going with the traffic flow all the way into Birmingham. And I've done that trip in game traffic several times before (my old hunting club was west of T-town). There are ALWAYS wrecks. I'm thinking the normal drive time from Tuscaloosa to Birmingham of 45 minutes will be a minimum of 2 hours (and could be 3 or more if there are major accidents). And I absolutely hate driving in heavy traffic. It turns me into a werewolf!
I'm thinking of an alternative route out of Greenwood, Ms that will bring me into I-22 (between Bham and Memphis) way up near Hamilton. Then, just north of Bham, back roads over to Springville that avoids all the commercial areas that would have "after-game" fans.
Needless to say, I will not be watching the game live, as I will be driving from about 7 pm to just after midnight (normal time), and probably more like until 1 am, given the need to avoid the game traffic. Oh well. At least I have the game set to record on the dvr. And I have satellite radio, so I can listen to the game the whole trip.
Roll Tide!
You KNOW that is some bad traffic, if you have ever been trapped on I-20 at those times, before and after are
just awful. First I have to question being on the road at all. This is a game you sit down and watch. I have
turned down plans to go places on Saturday and declined on the off chance I have car trouble or get arrested or
some random event keeps me from the TV at the appointed hour.
But obviously you have to do what you are doing, or you wouldn't be doing it during the game of the century. Me,
I'd stop at a motel and watch the game then get on the road. Or you could Zen out and listen to the post game
shows on the radio in traffic. Maybe you will even make great time and miss the traffic, or they go to overtime,
(which would KILL ME). It's not like you will be stuck in traffic cause of some idiot motorist, you will there waiting to
get home, among your fellow Bama fans, who will need your support to get over the loss while they also sit in traffic.
You can listen to all the Bama folks on the radio, slamming the officials, or the LSU cheating players, or even the fringe
ones who call for Saban's head. Heck you can even call in to the radio show yourself and tell them not to feel bad
because it's only a game after all.
:r :r :r I hope it works out for you, Kid...
You normally go through Starkville and Columbus? Wow, there is NO good way to go from Greenwood to Birmingham.
You could invent the flying car.
If this is all about not missing church in the morning, I'd tell em not to lay out your good suit.
Stay in MS a few hours longer, stay overnight, get on the road a bit earlier than planned.
That is a terrible challenge of just trying to avoid Tuscaloosa...nigh on impossible.
rizzle
11-04-2011, 08:31 AM
Yeah, man, I'd watch the game in Mittippi and drive back in the morning.
Last chance for all you wayward, deluded souls to come over to the winning side........
LSULSULSULSULSULSULSULSULSU
Chant it with me,
CMON, you know the words......
SvilleKid
11-04-2011, 01:31 PM
Last chance for all you wayward, deluded souls to come over to the LOSING side........
LSULSULSULSULSULSULSULSULSU
Chant it with me,
CMON, you know the words......
Fixed that for you!!!!:noon
SvilleKid
11-04-2011, 01:44 PM
You normally go through Starkville and Columbus? Wow, there is NO good way to go from Greenville (FIXED) to Birmingham.
You could invent the flying car.
If this is all about not missing church in the morning, I'd tell em not to lay out your good suit.
Stay in MS a few hours longer, stay overnight, get on the road a bit earlier than planned.
That is a terrible challenge of just trying to avoid Tuscaloosa...nigh on impossible.
On the map, an alternative route by veering off at Greenwood and going thru Winfield to I-22 only adds 6 miles over my normal route. However, the roads will be two lane, and 45-55 mph, vs U.S. 82, which is almost all 4-lane and 65 mph. The alternative route would also give me the ability to by Bham to the north over backroads (between Brookside and Springville) that I have driven on all my life. And, I'm familiar with the Alabama parts of the alternative route, having run it a hundred times going to family reunions in NE Mississippi. So, it's not ALL bad news or unknown road!
Staying not really an issue if that is what I want, since my wife's travel nurse company has her an apartment set up. I just have a really good king bed at home (verses a half-way queen at apartment). Plus, there are some family issues concerning my elderly mom. I am a night person, used to staying up to one or two am most nights, but hate the mornings. Plus, morning driving will be east, 5 hours into the rising sun.
Also, thinking things thru, if we leave Sunday morning at normal "get-up-for-work" time, we will be thru T-town about the time the RV's all are packed up and hitting the road. And when the people staying over on Saturday night head back out. So, Sunday mid-morning traffic after the game will be nearly as bad as Saturday night.
My intention is to NOT even listen to the game on the way home. It is being recorded, and I do not mind watching it delayed. My children have orders NOT to let us know the outcome. We can then watch the game off the dvr (and I can fast forward thru the commercials and the useless pratter of the mindless announcers. I swear, the commentators have gotten so bad on TV, I often watch the games with the sound muted!
longknocker
11-04-2011, 02:45 PM
Another "Roll, Tide, Roll", Here!:banger
Good luck tomorrow you guys.
jjirons69
11-04-2011, 07:11 PM
Took the Tide with the 4.5 points. I'm seeing a 20-10 score.
Took Ark at -4.5 and Vandy at +10.5.
rizzle
11-05-2011, 02:18 PM
Enjoy your last few unbeaten hours of 2011, OLS. :sl
LSU wins this game three ways.
1.) Best kicking game on the field. Brad Wing is King. We are going to plant you guys so deep on punts that you will
have little chance to get out of your own end against our D.
2.) LSU defense has more big plays
3.) LSU QBs make fewer mistakes.
I look forward to EACH and every one of you popping in tonight to offer your congratulations.
Now let's get ready to rock.
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Uh-oh, Mike the Tiger fell down on the running out to the field....this might be bad, haha.
Geez 3 first downs and I can hardly hear the crowd, lol. Cmon man, there's 101 thousand people on hand.
Three more and they will be sitting on their hands. Especially after another Bama punt. :r
jsnake
11-05-2011, 06:41 PM
So any thoughts on Missouri joining the SEC? Announcement is coming Monday. I know the big game is on now but I have a few thoughts.
SEC is going to be tougher.
Going to be nice to see MIZZOU play some new teams.
LSU wins this game three ways.
1.) Best kicking game on the field. Brad Wing is King. We are going to plant you guys so deep on punts that you will
have little chance to get out of your own end against our D.
2.) LSU defense has more big plays
3.) LSU QBs make fewer mistakes.
Well, one out of three ain't bad. If Tyrann Mathieu's selfish penalty costs LSU the game I will be very upset.
Just a stupid, stupid play.
ucubed
11-05-2011, 09:19 PM
I really don't think anyone can beat LSU or Alabama right now... besides LSU or Alabama
Really??
Even with an extra hour of sleep??
OneFineAsh
11-05-2011, 10:01 PM
LSU and Alabama game of the year or what?
jjirons69
11-05-2011, 10:16 PM
That wildcat pass from Maze was a catch! Williams had it in his hands and landed on his back. BS call of the year, IMO. That was the difference in the game (it's tough to rely on 40+ yard field goals with any kicker). It was a horrible job coaching by Bama in the OT possession.
At least Carolina lost! :hy
Just saying.
Scothew
11-05-2011, 10:19 PM
Wow what a game! Both teams deserve to be where they are in the rankings and honestly shouldnt really change places even though bama lost.
That wildcat pass from Maze was a catch! Williams had it in his hands and landed on his back. BS call of the year, IMO. That was the difference in the game (it's tough to rely on 40+ yard field goals with any kicker). It was a horrible job coaching by Bama in the OT possession.
At least Carolina lost! :hy
Just saying.
Hard to know where to start or what is wrongest.
A catch has one definitive characteristic. You hit the ground and maintain possession of the football.
Basically you stand up to demonstrate possession and are then free to drop the ball. A.) who had the
ball when the players got up?, and B.) What do you think instant replay and coaches challenges are for?
It's not like a run, where you hit the ground and you are down. In THAT case, it would have been
Bama ball on the one yard line. It's not like the refs didn't look at the play over and over.
It was not the difference in the game. The difference in the game might well be three missed field goals
by Bama. That is three good drives wasted in non-scoring endings. You can't do that in what has to
be the tightest game in the SEC we'll ever see.
On the surface, the overtime MIGHT have been poor coaching, but it is more about poor execution. DUMB
penalties. However, you are driving from 25 yeards out. It doesn't have to be rocket science. Why make
your players execute complicated or slow developing plays? Just run the ball til you have to pass and kick
a field goal if you can't score a TD. But you are right in one way. After Saban decided to complicate
the most basic part of the game to that point, his attempt to outcoach Les Miles led to Les Miles only
having to do it RIGHT in order to walk out with the win. But the players incurred the penalties,
not Nick Saban.
And kickers are on the team for one reason, to kick a field goal from any reasonable point on the field.
It would seem to the uneducated of us that Nick focused too hard on finding the most rugged horses he could
get to the detriment of the kicking game. Sure he has two tough lines, amazing backs and a couple of
great receivers, but his kicking game is apalling. LSU is a complete football team, as I have argued here
many times. Opportunistic on SPECIAL TEAMS and highly capable in the kicking game. There has been
lot of justifiable homerism in this thread prior to this game. I am a little surprised that none of them have
come back in to admit they were all wrong. If LSU had lost in OT last night, I would have posted my
congratulations within minutes, because it is important when I was so adamant about us winning.
OT wins are no way to win a game, but LSU got to the NCG in 03 with TWO OT LOSSES. There is no s
hame in Bama losing this game in OT. They made a few more mistakes
than LSU and paid the price.
But let's be honest. They LOST the game not by the bad luck in the end, but because they are inferior
to the LSU Tigers in terms of DEPTH, and BALANCE. Our two interceptions and Mathieu's stupid flagrant
foul could have opened the door to Bama beating LSU but they did not get it done. The Tigers beat the
Tide with the kicking game. Before the game I warned you that Brad Wing would keep you in your own
end ALL NIGHT. There are three phases of football, and special teams is one of them. Ignore it at your peril.
-----------------
Les Miles said it best, and classy I might add. EVEN IF you guys do not get to the SECCG, you might YET
play LSU in the final game of the year. If you do , we would be HONORED to play you guys again. Just
don't expect a different result. With 101,000 tickets for sale, Bama made available an embarassingly
pitiful number of visitor tickets. That is shameful, but it happened. In the Superdome, there will be
much better balance amongst patron fans.
hammondc
11-06-2011, 07:15 AM
Well crappy weekend of ball for me. SC lost and Bama lost. That was one boring Bama/LSU game.
To make things a bit worse, Connor Shaw is out with a concussion. No news yet as to how long.....
Wow what a game! Both teams deserve to be where they are in the rankings and honestly shouldnt really change places even though bama lost.
It was a fantastic football game, I can't believe Hammond thought it was boring, lol.
Sadly though, Bama might fall as low as 5th, (prob 4th) it's the only fair thing to do. If LSU had lost they
would have dropped even lower than that probably, because nearly no one in the football universe thought
they could or would win. Andre' Ware on the SEC game of the week was talking at 11 am about how
Oklahoma was going to leap over LSU when they lost tonight, and this team was going to be below Alabama
and this other team was going to do this and that. Hey people are wrong all the time, but that particular one
stuck in my craw all day long. The nerve of it, lol.
But as the game was basically a stalemate....I am thinking 3rd.
Powers
11-06-2011, 08:17 AM
Really enjoyed watching that one last night, awesome defenses on both sides. My buddy said it best: "People who think this is boring also hate a complete game shutout in baseball"
Being a lifetime Saints fan, and I guess lately my 35 year LSU fandom as well, I have a finely tuned twisting stomach.
I know full well how to endure a game where no amount of points is ever enough, the game can still be lost
by one dumb thing or another. EVEN with as much skill in that regard as I HAVE, that game was nearly intolerable.
I was crawling out of my skin all night long. I would not have been surprised to see it lost, and thrilled that it
came out as a win. But that kind of football is TOUGH to watch. It's like a slow motion train wreck.
But all of that aside, I am hated most in this thread for my JOY in the long faces in the stands when a game is in
the bag and LSU comes storming back on a 80-yard drive to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. I had to
wait an awfully long time last night to se the faces. There was this one girl that looked like she was asking her
boyfriend, "Don't we get another chance? This isn't OVER, is it?" Sad for them, great for me, times 2. I got the
win AND the faces. ;)
NOW we get to see who in the hell wants the SEC east bad enough to meet us in Atlanta.
Scothew
11-06-2011, 08:59 AM
It was a fantastic football game, I can't believe Hammond thought it was boring, lol.
It was the exact thing I love about SEC football, tough, defensive domnination. Sadly my team I give my fan vote to lacks in it :tf
I'll admit though last night i was pulling for Bama, but regardless it was a great game all the way around and had 4 AU fans on the edge of their seats the whole time.
Pulling for bama in that situation doesn't make you a bad Auburn fan, it makes you a good Alabama resident.
What makes me scratch my head is all these diehard bama fans who didn't have a thing to say last night, much
less this morning. All week I had to hear them brag about how wrong I was. I understand that I WAS
bragging, too, but for the most part, I am the only LSU fan in the thread. Not one of em has said 5hi+...lame.
longknocker
11-06-2011, 09:10 AM
Hard to know where to start or what is wrongest.
A catch has one definitive characteristic. You hit the ground and maintain possession of the football.
Basically you stand up to demonstrate possession and are then free to drop the ball. A.) who had the
ball when the players got up?, and B.) What do you think instant replay and coaches challenges are for?
It's not like a run, where you hit the ground and you are down. In THAT case, it would have been
Bama ball on the one yard line. It's not like the refs didn't look at the play over and over.
It was not the difference in the game. The difference in the game might well be three missed field goals
by Bama. That is three good drives wasted in non-scoring endings. You can't do that in what has to
be the tightest game in the SEC we'll ever see.
On the surface, the overtime MIGHT have been poor coaching, but it is more about poor execution. DUMB
penalties. However, you are driving from 25 yeards out. It doesn't have to be rocket science. Why make
your players execute complicated or slow developing plays? Just run the ball til you have to pass and kick
a field goal if you can't score a TD. But you are right in one way. After Saban decided to complicate
the most basic part of the game to that point, his attempt to outcoach Les Miles led to Les Miles only
having to do it RIGHT in order to walk out with the win. But the players incurred the penalties,
not Nick Saban.
And kickers are on the team for one reason, to kick a field goal from any reasonable point on the field.
It would seem to the uneducated of us that Nick focused too hard on finding the most rugged horses he could
get to the detriment of the kicking game. Sure he has two tough lines, amazing backs and a couple of
great receivers, but his kicking game is apalling. LSU is a complete football team, as I have argued here
many times. Opportunistic on SPECIAL TEAMS and highly capable in the kicking game. There has been
lot of justifiable homerism in this thread prior to this game. I am a little surprised that none of them have
come back in to admit they were all wrong. If LSU had lost in OT last night, I would have posted my
congratulations within minutes, because it is important when I was so adamant about us winning.
OT wins are no way to win a game, but LSU got to the NCG in 03 with TWO OT LOSSES. There is no s
hame in Bama losing this game in OT. They made a few more mistakes
than LSU and paid the price.
But let's be honest. They LOST the game not by the bad luck in the end, but because they are inferior
to the LSU Tigers in terms of DEPTH, and BALANCE. Our two interceptions and Mathieu's stupid flagrant
foul could have opened the door to Bama beating LSU but they did not get it done. The Tigers beat the
Tide with the kicking game. Before the game I warned you that Brad Wing would keep you in your own
end ALL NIGHT. There are three phases of football, and special teams is one of them. Ignore it at your peril.
-----------------
Les Miles said it best, and classy I might add. EVEN IF you guys do not get to the SECCG, you might YET
play LSU in the final game of the year. If you do , we would be HONORED to play you guys again. Just
don't expect a different result. With 101,000 tickets for sale, Bama made available an embarassingly
pitiful number of visitor tickets. That is shameful, but it happened. In the Superdome, there will be
much better balance amongst patron fans.
Brad: Even Lou Holtz Said On Sports Center This Morning That The Call Was Wrong; Alabama Had Possession Of The Catch & Was Down. Anyway, LSU Did Win The Game & Congrats To You & All LSU Fans.:tu
Brad: Even Lou Holtz Said On Sports Center This Morning That The Call Was Wrong; Alabama Had Possession Of The Catch & Was Down. Anyway, LSU Did Win The Game & Congrats To You & All LSU Fans.:tu
Haha, Lou Holtz is the arbitrator?? That kook? You and Lou are confusing running plays with pass
receptions. You have to get up in possession of the ball, the ground cannot cause a fumble. That's the rule.
If it was as you say the replay official would have overturned the call. The very fact that the LSU
player was actively in the process of gaining possession of the ball as they hit the turf together means
that the the ball was NOT under the control of the receiver. IN BOUNDS and IN CONTROL.
Look at Tyrann Mathieu in that clip, the receiver is inches from hitting the ground and he is already
throwing his arms up in celebration of the interception. In a no replay world, I would think you had a
right to call it a ripoff. But it was clear enough, that claim has no merit by the rules of the game.
Looks like I am wrong, Mathieu doesn't celebrate until the interceptor rolls over, but you are also wrong, longknocker,
the ball is out of Williams' hands a full foot off the ground. That's not posession. They are a foot from the ground, and
the LSU defender's hands are on the ball and the tight end's hands are on the LSU player's gloves. Just watch a few
more times until you see it as a football play, not LSU stealing a game from Bama.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/ncaaf_video/2011/11/06/110511.staples_alabama_lsu.SportsIllustrated/
longknocker
11-06-2011, 09:56 AM
Looks like I am wrong, Mathieu doesn't celebrate until the interceptor rolls over, but you are also wrong, longknocker,
the ball is out of Williams' hands a full foot off the ground. That's not posession. They are a foot from the ground, and
the LSU defender's hands are on the ball and the tight end's hands are on the LSU player's gloves. Just watch a few
more times until you see it as a football play, not LSU stealing a game from Bama.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/ncaaf_video/2011/11/06/110511.staples_alabama_lsu.SportsIllustrated/
Your Opinion Vs. Mine.;) At Least You Agreed That Play By Mathieu Was Chicken S**T! :fl
Greg, follow that link, there are three different video reports on that website, all of which show the play you question.
All you have to do is watch it enough times to get oriented to what you are seeing, and you will see that you are
seeing it with Crimson-colored glasses. I am not making this up, it's all right there in front of you. Watch it 20-30
times until you get used to the timing of it. It's there right in front of you. Watch the leg/back hit the ground,
get familiar with what's happening there so you can shift focus to the hands. Reid had the game of his life, single-
handedly stopping Richardson in the early stages when no one else could tackle him. He quite simply rose above the
game, and the interception is no different. Don't stop watching the clip until you see it the way the officials did.
Til then you are just kidding yourself.
And in the end, this quote from the AP said it best.For all of Alabama's heralded recruiting
classes under Saban, it was clear the Crimson Tide didn't devote a lot of time to finding a kicker. Make no mistake,
from our own stupid penalties from over-physicality and idiocy and picks from our QBs, YOUR guys lost the game because
they have no kicker. And who needs a kicker when you roll over all your opponents, right??
Wrong. Les Miles didn't forget sometimes kicking is the ONLY way to win.
That Maze play is another reason I am glad that we beat the Tide in your own stadium.
Had this happened in Baton Rouge the drone would be never-ending. As it is,
the refs didn't beat the Tide, they just failed to capitalize on our mistakes.
Everybody knew there would precious few moments to make a difference in the
game. Maze throws a pass too late, the man was wide open initially and then our speed
backfield closed the distance and took the ball away. He takes excellent field position
and throws it away by failing to field the ball on a punt. He later blamed it on the overhead
camera wire...that's pausible. But man, those 4 missed field goals are unforgivable.
To focus on a play one way or the other is the true sign of a homer. Everyone knows
you have to play to a level that allows you to overcome the twists of fate and human
error.
The best thing about the game for me was how both teams just played their GUTS out.
Noo one in this country can argue that this was a clear case of the top two teams in the
country just absolutely rolling around in the dirt for one bone and in the end, the bone
broke nearly in half. One team just got the good end of the bone. Well played by the
offenses and defenses of both teams. No one need hang their heads at all.
And no one has to look any further than our traditional Thanksgiving trouble with the Hogs
to see that the SEC is still wide open. We just happen to have the lead now.
And Lord, lord, I would hate to be Mississippi State next week....
Greg, I wanted to make another point about Mathieu giving that guy the forearm shiver. I watched a replay this morning,
and the defensive series before the incident, the guy that got the forearm to the chops had tackled Mathieu by the face-
mask right in front of an official. I do not respect dirty play in any form and did not excuse his forearm from the outset.
But watching the series unfold again this morning, I know now where it came from. But make no mistake, the Honey
Badger has a big fat mouth and sometimes it takes over for his brain and it did there.
rizzle
11-07-2011, 08:35 AM
ramble, ramble,ramble...But let's be honest. They LOST the game not by the bad luck in the end, but because they are inferior
to the LSU Tigers in terms of DEPTH, and BALANCE....ramble, ramble, ramble
Congratulations on winning the game. But two things here: 1) You have no idea what you're talking about. Inferior in depth and balance? Really, Brad. That's just an ill-informed and asinine statement. 2) Alabama is no doubt the better of those two teams and should have won that game by at least 14 points. But hey, that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Now you may continue your incessant, incoherent, ill-informed rambling. :tu
jsnake
11-07-2011, 08:44 AM
Well it is official. Missouri is in the SEC so all your teams have at least 1 easy win next year. MIZZOU couldn't even compete and win in the BIG 12 so what the hell are they thinking by moving to the SEC? I love Missouri but I think this move was a bad one for them.
I am excited to see them play some new teams though.
Congratulations on winning the game. But two things here: 1) You have no idea what you're talking about. Inferior in depth and balance? Really, Brad. That's just an ill-informed and asinine statement. 2) Alabama is no doubt the better of those two teams and should have won that game by at least 14 points. But hey, that's how the cookie crumbles sometimes.
Now you may continue your incessant, incoherent, ill-informed rambling. :tu
This is what I expected, down to the last letter. How did I know the phrase "Should have won" was
going to come into play? It's easy. Your team lost. Missing 4 field goals is not "Should have won", it's we
think we thought of everything, but we forgot to get a kicker. You know how many high school kickers
would kill to come and kick for Alabama? I bet a ton. But Nick Saban in his divine wisdom didn't save any
scholarships for THAT I guess. I reiterate, who needs a kicking game when you have Trent Richardson?
Should have won is a bull5hi+ response. Your team got beat, in your own stadium in front of your own
crowd. Nick Saban was out-coached. Your team was out-played, and by a kicker besides. You can't say,
"We shoulda won", because you didn't have the PLAYERS to WIN, that's why I told you for three weeks that
you were not GOING to win. You can't say 'we have the best team except for a kicker'. Our kicker MAKES
us the better team. How do I know? Because the score was 9-6, all field goals. Duh. Our punter did
exactly what I thought he would, handicap you deep in your own end. THAT'S BALANCE, man.
Inferior depth and balance wasn't a good enough description for you??
We rotated defensive linemen all night long and got a sack in OVERTIME because of it. We have more
tailbacks ready to play than Alabama, we have more quarterbacks ready to play than Alabama. That's depth.
I love Barrett Jones, he is from Memphis and a great kid, I've met him. But if you had better balance,
he wouldn't have had to play hurt. He gutted it out, and I am not sure he hurt the team, but again,
we just have more players ready to play than UA.
We have better balance than Alabama. You doubt that? You ever hear of something called the kicking
game? You should have, since it's how we BEAT YOU GUYS. If you had better balance, you would have
won the freaking GAME. Oh, we have Trent Richardson, yay. You think teams are going to just roll
over and concede because of Richardson and Lacey? You have a great offensive line and linebackers.
Should we just wave the cape and let you charge on through? No, we found your weakness and used it to beat
you in front of the largest TV audience ever to watch a regular season game. OF COURSE LSU has
better balance than Alabama. That's how we WON THE GAME.
By the way, we're still friends, right??
Well it is official. Missouri is in the SEC so all your teams have at least 1 easy win next year. MIZZOU couldn't even compete and win in the BIG 12 so what the hell are they thinking by moving to the SEC? I love Missouri but I think this move was a bad one for them.
I am excited to see them play some new teams though.
Nonsense, in the SEC, we make room for all levels of competitiveness. You will be made better simply
because of the competition you will face. You will get better recruits simply by virtue of being an SEC school.
You will stop losing blue chippers from Missouri to other schools. You will have Vanderbilt to practice on.
This is the best day yet for being a Missouri fan. Embrace it. Sure you will have trouble in the beginning,
but I bet you win 3 conference games your first year.
Rizzle, I doubt you will find one credible sportswriter who will say in print where his cohorts can read it that
Alabama should have won that game. They lined up in huge lines to say it on FRIDAY and SATURDAY morning,
but no one said it on Sunday. I love Alabama, except for one day a year. But I do not love LSU so much that I will just
say homer-istic things about them to make myself feel good inside. If you had beaten us, even by one, even in regulation,
I would have congratulated you, because that's the kind of game it was. Everyone had ample chances to make good on the
opportunity in front of them. If you had the team to win by 14, you should have won by 30, because we gave you all the
chances in the world. But the measure of a good team is not perfection, but the focus to remain in the game despite your
mitakes. Jarrett Lee was good enough for 8-0, but not good enough for 9-0, so he got yanked. He made his mistakes and the
rest of his teammates erased his errors for him. The Tide failed to erase the mistakes of their kicker and their coach who
put him IN position to fail. Pooch punts would have been the better choice on the last two missed field goals. Moving the ball
against the Tide was TOUGH, nearly impossible. Les Miles used his superior balance to shackle the tide with bad field
position over and over. Nothing said Saban had to keep going for the big pass or the trick play. You didn't see Les Miles
reaching into his kooky bag. --edit--- Personally, I hated the way Miles was forced to play, FAR too conservative for his tastes
or mine. But in the end, that's how he won the game. If Saban had even QB sneaked three times and kicked the 3,
he might have won the game. But it was only a game. I only wanted to explain my statements, balance in all three
phases of the game is a very desirable quality, as is having people to fill in holes. The only place we are thin in 2011
is on the offensive line.
jsnake
11-07-2011, 11:26 AM
Nonsense, in the SEC, we make room for all levels of competitiveness. You will be made better simply
because of the competition you will face. You will get better recruits simply by virtue of being an SEC school.
You will stop losing blue chippers from Missouri to other schools. You will have Vanderbilt to practice on.
This is the best day yet for being a Missouri fan. Embrace it. Sure you will have trouble in the beginning,
but I bet you win 3 conference games your first year.
I can see it your way as well. All of these thoughts have crossed my mind. Anxious to see what the schedule for next year will be. Looking forward to getting into some of this SEC banter. You guys really put some thought in all of this.
rizzle
11-07-2011, 11:29 AM
This is what I expected, down to the last letter. How did I know the phrase "Should have won" was
going to come into play? It's easy. Your team lost. Missing 4 field goals is not "Should have won", it's we
think we thought of everything, but we forgot to get a kicker. You know how many high school kickers
would kill to come and kick for Alabama? I bet a ton. But Nick Saban in his divine wisdom didn't save any
scholarships for THAT I guess. I reiterate, who needs a kicking game when you have Trent Richardson?
Should have won is a bull5hi+ response. Your team got beat, in your own stadium in front of your own
crowd. Nick Saban was out-coached. Your team was out-played, and by a kicker besides. You can't say,
"We shoulda won", because you didn't have the PLAYERS to WIN, that's why I told you for three weeks that
you were not GOING to win. You can't say 'we have the best team except for a kicker'. Our kicker MAKES
us the better team. How do I know? Because the score was 9-6, all field goals. Duh. Our punter did
exactly what I thought he would, handicap you deep in your own end. THAT'S BALANCE, man.
Inferior depth and balance wasn't a good enough description for you??
We rotated defensive linemen all night long and got a sack in OVERTIME because of it. We have more
tailbacks ready to play than Alabama, we have more quarterbacks ready to play than Alabama. That's depth.
I love Barrett Jones, he is from Memphis and a great kid, I've met him. But if you had better balance,
he wouldn't have had to play hurt. He gutted it out, and I am not sure he hurt the team, but again,
we just have more players ready to play than UA.
We have better balance than Alabama. You doubt that? You ever hear of something called the kicking
game? You should have, since it's how we BEAT YOU GUYS. If you had better balance, you would have
won the freaking GAME. Oh, we have Trent Richardson, yay. You think teams are going to just roll
over and concede because of Richardson and Lacey? You have a great offensive line and linebackers.
Should we just wave the cape and let you charge on through? No, we found your weakness and used it to beat
you in front of the largest TV audience ever to watch a regular season game. OF COURSE LSU has
better balance than Alabama. That's how we WON THE GAME.
By the way, we're still friends, right??
We're still friends, and you still don't have a clue what you're talking about. But I'll let you gloat, and I'll even go ahead and agree with you. You're absolutely correct. Whatever it was you said, you're absolutely correct.
This is why I don't like LSU fans.
Jsnake,
They might need to change the way they do things to play in the SEC, though, I will give you that.
The spread is fine for a lot of conferences, but you need meat to compete in the SEC. You will need the ability to
grind the ball late in the game like LSU and UA. You play LSU with the spread and they are going to clean your clock.
But now that you can recruit Arkansas, Missouri, TN, KY, Illinios, etc, you will FIND the bodies to play SEC football.
We're still friends, and you still don't have a clue what you're talking about. But I'll let you gloat, and I'll even go ahead and agree with you. You're absolutely correct. Whatever it was you said, you're absolutely correct.
This is why I don't like LSU fans.
I would like it better, Rizzle if you refuted my solid points and debated it rather than just
hitting me with your homerstick. Can you explain gross deficiencies in the kicking game? Can you deny
there is no logical way to get a sack in Overtime unless my team is well-rested or yours is exhausted?
Can you come up with a reasonable excuse for 101,000 [minus the paltry 3000 tickets you made available
to LSU] couldn't WILL a "superior team" to victory at home? I don't want to just pound away with blablabla
just because it's what I DO, lol. I want you to accept reality or tell me where I am wrong. Of course you
don't HAVE to, your previous response is good enough to prove my point, but I am just not sure how you
arrived at your generic, wild claims. ;)
And remember, I value my friends more than being right, so I will eventually give you waht you want and shut up,
I just thought you had some kind of logic behind these kooky statements :r
rizzle
11-07-2011, 12:19 PM
I would like it better, Rizzle if you refuted my solid points and debated it rather than just
hitting me with your homerstick. Can you explain gross deficiencies in the kicking game? Can you deny
there is no logical way to get a sack in Overtime unless my team is well-rested or yours is exhausted?
Can you come up with a reasonable excuse for 101,000 [minus the paltry 3000 tickets you made available
to LSU] couldn't WILL a "superior team" to victory at home? I don't want to just pound away with blablabla
just because it's what I DO, lol. I want you to accept reality or tell me where I am wrong. Of course you
don't HAVE to, your previous response is good enough to prove my point, but I am just not sure how you
arrived at your generic, wild claims. ;)
From your previous gibberish and what I take exception to:
But let's be honest. They LOST the game not by the bad luck in the end, but because they are inferior
to the LSU Tigers in terms of DEPTH, and BALANCE
No, luck had nothing to do with it. We lost the game. Period. No denying it. But for you to make the statement that we lost because of inferior depth and balance to LSU is wrong. Plain and simple wrong. So you can believe that if you want, I'll believe the truth.
Neither one of those teams has a depth advantage over the other. They are about as even as they can possibly be from top to bottom and, no, I'm not forgetting about the 2's either. What, you don't think we rotate players all night long? Whatever dude.
And as far as balance, coming into that game Bama had 1834 rushing yards and 1827 passing. LSU had 1512 rushing and 1465 passing. In the game, Bama rushed 31 times for and threw it 29. LSU rushed it 41 times and threw it 17.
The numbers now stand with Alabama having 1930 rushing yards, 2026 passing. LSU has 1660 rushing yards, 1556 passing.
If those numbers are inferior and cost us the game, so be it. I guess my definiton of inferior differs from yours.
Primarily...primarily...the kicking game cost us. There are some other factors as well, but obviously one field goal would have made the difference. Please show me anywhere that I mentioned bad luck as the reason we lost. And if you don't know how ticketing works for home and away games, I can't help you there, bro.
Inferior talent and balance. Please.
Sauer Grapes
11-07-2011, 12:27 PM
Nonsense, in the SEC, we make room for all levels of competitiveness. You will be made better simply
because of the competition you will face. You will get better recruits simply by virtue of being an SEC school.
You will stop losing blue chippers from Missouri to other schools. You will have Vanderbilt to practice on.
This is the best day yet for being a Missouri fan. Embrace it. Sure you will have trouble in the beginning,
but I bet you win 3 conference games your first year.
I actually agree with this to an extent... Plus, by placing us in the Eastern Division, they've made it easier for us to almost be competitive. :noon
My comment regarding luck was not pointed at you but at jjirons, who didn't mention luck either. But since you
brought it up, sure, a lot of fans of the Tide might think, it was just the breaks, dumb luck, we shoulda beat LSU.
So just because YOU didn't say it, and it was never meant for you to begin with, there are certainly those who WILL.
But on to your points, your use of stats was impressive, but they leave out the main stat that was my point.
Not that you didn't know what I meant, either, you just ignore it because it throws out 1/3 of your argument.
If I meant balance between run and pass, my statement has no merit whatsoever. I am saying that in the three
phases of the game, offense, defense and special teams, LSU has better balance, and it is what we used to beat you.
Your argument is like the bodybuilder with huge muscles and a tiny dic&. Sure you can attract women, but you can't
do anything to please them once you get em home. In terms of run and pass, Alabama beat the hell out of LSU.
You had far more big gains through the run, and maybe as many or better yards through the air. But when the game
was on the line, OUR balance was better, we had not just capable people to punt and place kick, we had EXCEPTIONAL
people. Alabama's kicking game was insufficient to score from the places our defense forced you to attempt from.
Again, you did not have to miss my meaning, I laid it out for you, never once even hinting that I meant run/pass.
You killed us running and killed us passing. We stiffened in our end, but you made it look easy up until you were
turned away. And at that point, Nicky, you had better have recruited a kicker. He didn't.
The two teams were extremely even, I happen to think we are deeper, and I'd bet we are. But I also think we are
faster and better coached. But that is opinion, well the coaching part was kind of shown in the game, too, but
Nick is no slouch. But if you aren't comparing what I am comparing, of course you are going to think I am wrong.
Still there is no doubt that LSU has a more balanced team across all three phases of the game. If it were not so
there is no way we win.
I DON'T know how ticketing works for home and away, not at all. I have only been to one SEC game.
But people who DO KNOW about it stated that it was a surprisingly small amount of tickets. Doesn't matter.
100,000 plus didn't help you guys enough to make the difference.
And when you say a field goal would have made the difference, I say NO, 4 missed field goals would have made
the difference. You can't prove a negative. If you want to be the superior team your fans made you out to be for two
weeks at every place anyone would listen, then you have to BEAT LSU. You can't say we were the better team
because only one more kick would have given us a tie and two would have meant the win.
The game is timed. You have 60 minutes to get it done. What you might have done if you had had an 18 minute
4th quarter or another down in OT is irrelevant. Your coach made his choices, his players made their plays
and you need to live with the result. And don't be too mad at me, this is fun for me. I had to listen to the pundits
and the botls for weeks go on and on, "fixing that for me" in replies, all the people said LSU was going down.
But they didn't, and the WAY they made sure they won exposed what I term a weakness in your team.
You and I can have fun, and I hope this IS fun for you, but I am not making this up. We have superior balance
through superior special teams. BAMA is awesome, we just did what was necessary to beat em.
rizzle
11-07-2011, 01:58 PM
Talking to you is like talking to my 2 year olds. LSU has better special teams than us. Unfortunately for us, it came down to that. Shouldn't have, but did. That's the way it goes sometimes.
But having better special teams, doesn't make you more "balanced", it just gives you an advantage in one of the three phases of the game.
Tickets... LSU's allotment was 7000, That's about the average number that SEC teams give/get. I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, other than heresay and I don't operate on heresay. West Virginia gave you 5000. Our stadium is for Bama fans and I'd imagine LSU's stadium is for LSU fans. I'll see if I can dig up what y'all gave us last year, as if it matters, but I'd hate to be all "homeristic" and not debate you with facts, which you seem to not understand anyway. :D
Talking to you is like talking to my 2 year olds. LSU has better special teams than us. Unfortunately for us, it came down to that. Shouldn't have, but did. That's the way it goes sometimes.
But having better special teams, doesn't make you more "balanced", it just gives you an advantage in one of the three phases of the game.
Tickets... LSU's allotment was 7000, That's about the average number that SEC teams give/get. I'll see if I can dig up what y'all gave us last year, as if it matters. :D
I am guessing the 2 year old wins a lot. :)
It doesn't matter about the tickets, I said I didn't know and I don't. My point was I thought that your fans
would make some kind of difference with the huge differential. Like I said, I saw LSU-Vandy in 1983 and that
is my experience in SEC stadiums.
My argument, from the two-year old perspective, is that I felt like the two teams were basically
even in offense and defense and LSU had a significant edge on special teams....If the teams are even
and one has an edge in one phase of the game, that team is more balanced because the other two phases
basically cancel each other out. The only way I allow myself to say "significant edge" is because we made all
our field goals and Bama missed 4. We consistently punted you guys into your own 10-20 yard line
over and over. I hate it for you, too, that the kicking game decided the outcome. But again, from
what I hear from Bama fans, you were the better team, so it needn't ever have come down to that.
But I will stop badgering you, you can't be swayed by facts or stats and I am not an a$$hole, just a
fan of the winner.
rizzle
11-07-2011, 02:15 PM
Best I can find, the SEC mandates at least 5000 tickets be given to the visiting team. I know we have "agreements" with UT and Auburn to provide a bigger number each year, along the lines of 9000.
rizzle
11-07-2011, 02:19 PM
I am guessing the 2 year old wins a lot. :)
It doesn't matter about the tickets, I said I didn't know and I don't. My point was I thought that your fans
would make some kind of difference with the huge differential.
My argument, from the two-year old perspective, is that I felt like the two teams were basically dead
even in offense and defense and LSU had a significant edge on special teams....If the teams are even
and one has an edge in one phase of the game, that team is more balanced because the other two phases
basically cancel each other out. The only way I allow myself to say "significant edge" is because we made all
our field goals and Bama missed 4. We consistently punted you guys into your own 10-20 yard line
over and over. I hate it for you, too, that the kicking game decided the outcome. But again, from
what I hear from Bama fans, you were the better team, so it needn't ever have come down to that.
But I will stop badgering you, you can't be swayed by facts or stats and I am not an a$$hole, just a
fan of the winner.
I knew going into the game that your special teams were better. Significantly. I don't believe it should have come to that, but it did. That's my opinion, nothing factual about it. I seem to be the only one providing any stats and facts, by the way.
You sure about that bolded part? :r
But having better special teams, doesn't make you more "balanced", it just gives you an advantage in one of the three phases of the game.
Wait, that's exactly what it means. Bama is "lopsided" in it's glaring inability to affect the outcome of
a game through kicking. You are a super-power, but less balanced than LSU which can score in three ways
without much effort. You can score TWO ways without much effort. I am not saying you can't score
in the kicking game, I am saying it has to be a chip shot. ;)
Nah, I am not an a$$hole, just mis-understood. WHo am I kidding, I am a huge a$$hole, ask anyone who knows
me. But I guess I am not TRYING to be one here.
rizzle
11-07-2011, 02:23 PM
I'll say this. You'd make an absolutley perfect Auburn fan. :noon
rizzle
11-07-2011, 02:26 PM
And I didn't mention it before, because I was refuting your outrageous claim that LSU was way more balanced, but Matthieu is a punk. Pure punk. So there's that, too.
Don't mis-understand me, I think Bama and LSU are the two best football teams in the country. I have nothing
but respect for the team that held us SO stymied through 60 minutes that we were lucky to escape with the
win. What I mean when I say all this is
1.) I knew we would win and told all of you that weeks ago.
2.) I think that being equally capable in all three phases of the game makes LSU by far the more balanced football team.
3.) Winning the game by 100 or 1 means, by the only yardstick that ever counts in the record books or in the BCS
selections for the NCG, that LSU is the top team in the country. Love you guys, but you just didn't do what it took
to walk away with the nomenclature No.1 team in the country. WHAT IS SEC football but a bunch of homers
bragging about their own team? This time it just happened to be for big, big stakes.
Tyrann Mathieu is a superbly skilled football player that PLAYS like a short, unwanted recruit. He runs his mouth
far too much to suit me while he is on the field, and he does some really dumb things once every coupla games.
But he is just one more reason you guys were beaten. He was there when he needed to be there, knocking down
passes, tackling players much bigger than he was in the open field, and making our defense stout enough to throw
back the second most talented team in the USA. And he is a punk. But he's OUR punk. :r
I'll say this. You'd make an absolutley perfect Auburn fan. :noon
But I wouldn't kill a centuries old oak tree with poison. ;)
OK, that was below the belt...
rizzle
11-07-2011, 02:53 PM
Don't mis-understand me, I think Bama and LSU are the two best football teams in the country. I have nothing
but respect for the team that held us SO stymied through 60 minutes that we were lucky to escape with the
win. What I mean when I say all this is
1.) I knew we would win and told all of you that weeks ago.
2.) I think that being equally capable in all three phases of the game makes LSU by far the more balanced football team.
3.) Winning the game by 100 or 1 means, by the only yardstick that ever counts in the record books or in the BCS
selections for the NCG, that LSU is the top team in the country. Love you guys, but you just didn't do what it took
to walk away with the nomenclature No.1 team in the country. WHAT IS SEC football but a bunch of homers
bragging about their own team? This time it just happened to be for big, big stakes.
Tyrann Mathieu is a superbly skilled football player that PLAYS like a short, unwanted recruit. He runs his mouth
far too much to suit me while he is on the field, and he does some really dumb things once every coupla games.
But he is just one more reason you guys were beaten. He was there when he needed to be there, knocking down
passes, tackling players much bigger than he was in the open field, and making our defense stout enough to throw
back the second most talented team in the USA. And he is a punk. But he's OUR punk. :r
He was a nonfactor in that game. Other than almost decapitating the guy who had been eating his lunch all night with a cheap shot. Doesn't matter anyway, I just believe him to be a punk, and wanted to go on record as saying so.
Anyway, I don't want to sound like a poor loser, because that's not the case. I just call 'em like I see 'em. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on a few points.
He was a nonfactor in that game.
hardly
Geez, one little game of the century goes awry and the thread is a ghost town on a Thursday, :r.
Sheesh, one little post about one little game of the century and this place is a ghost town on a FRIDAY, too.
I guess everybody's various teams chances are shot to $hi+ and it makes it quite un-fun to be in the SEC thread.
I can think of at least three games worth watching. Can't believe with the contingents of USC ad UF fans we have here
that there is not a single post about it today. UT needs to knock off Arkansas this weekend so they can be fired
up on Thanksgiving.
And naturally, I am looking to the Bulldogs to knock off Alabama this week. I think they are utterly deflated after
being embarassed at home last weekend and will roll over and beg against MSU. Likely not going to happen, but
a man can dream.
AHAHAHA, I can't believe someone answered my prayer. It's the GIRL WHO SAID, "that ain't IT is it? It's OVER??"
Don't worry pal, you're a college student, who wears ties to the game. You will be financially able to keep her in
hair die and lip injections until you die of her constant harping a few years after your first child is born.
hammondc
11-11-2011, 05:23 PM
Lets go Gamecocks. Looks like everyone will be back in the game this week with the exception of Lattimore, of course. Lets shake off that loss to Arkansas and put the foot down on Florida.
Lets go Gamecocks. Looks like everyone will be back in the game this week with the exception of Lattimore, of course. Lets shake off that loss to Arkansas and put the foot down on Florida.
Amen.
hammondc
11-12-2011, 07:35 AM
I do need Auburn to come through today for me.
Fordman4ever
11-12-2011, 07:39 AM
Lets go DAWGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, you'd think there would be less drama this week, but I just read the rundown of games slated for
today and there is a LOT to play for this week. Last week was make or break for us, it looks like this week is
make or break for 2-3 teams. I am so torn on this UGA versus USC matchup. Historically I prefer the dogs,
but I have a lot more cigar buddies from the Palmetto State. I think I will pull for USC today, and it's the first one
served up this morning. I am wondering who will be Lincoln Financial's SEC game of the week now that CBS is showing
a game early? Looks like it would HAVE to be Kentucky versus Vanderbilt. No contest, haha, I'll have to watch CBS.
I might flip back and forth, Vandy is really making me proud this year. good forthem, good for the SEC.
hammondc
11-12-2011, 01:43 PM
Good pick Brad. SC pulled off their end of the deal. Now...I need Auburn to come through for me.
On a side note....SC needs to get their shiz together and come up with a pass defense or they are going to get rolled by Clemzuhn.
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 02:03 PM
Tyrann Mathieu is a superbly skilled football player that PLAYS like a short, unwanted recruit. He runs his mouth
far too much to suit me while he is on the field, and he does some really dumb things once every coupla games.
But he is just one more reason you guys were beaten. He was there when he needed to be there, knocking down
passes, tackling players much bigger than he was in the open field, and making our defense stout enough to throw
back the second most talented team in the USA. And he is a punk. But he's OUR punk. :r
Well of course Tyrann runs his mouth. He's high on synthetic "Jane". And anyone who buys that crap that says he didn't know what he was taking is full of that same crap!! Come on..... This stuff sells for $40 per pack! They know! Maybe he plays above his abilities because he is high on dope, and doesn't feel anything!
But, that's just my opinion, of course. He is a punk. He will always be a punk. He stands a strong chance to eventually fail at life because he was not mentored from being a punk.
Thank goodness, the SEC will be represented in the national championship by a bunch of punks, thugs and dope-heads! Either that, or we have to accept that they are all so darn stupid that they know nothing at all about anything to understand that their behavior off the field makes them losers in life!
Just sayin' And, I see no logical defense of the lack of moral fiber of MANY of the LSU players, except to stick your head in the sand and ignore ALL the facts of the recent past. And the theory of "win at any cost" IS NOT in the spirit of the game of college football. But, if they are training for the pros, then, I guess the ends justify the means??
There. I've talked about the "white elephant" in the room that nobody else wants to see or discuss. Maybe now the thread will come back to life and we can discuss the games that are upcoming.
However, don't get upset with me when I fail to root for LSU to win the national championship if they play for it. I just can't accept the stain on the SEC from a team that the dopers and thugs of the team will bring to the game. That is my right, and is based on being raised with a set of morals that do not support "winning at any cost". And while the "books and records" will not ever show anything other than the wins and losses, I will make as bold of a future prediction as were made about LSU winning against Bama.
"The LSU players that were involved in the beat down of the U.S. serviceman (and the person he went to help) and the players that were on the synthetic dope and paid NO price for it WILL end up as losers in life."
But then, LSU will still show up as winners in the records, so who really cares, after all, right?
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 02:12 PM
Now...
As to SEC....
As much as I hate to, I have to pull for Auburn to beat Georgia. I've never been a fan of Georgia. I think Vince Dooley coaching there when I went to Bama may have something to do with that! But, on the other hand, that means that I'd have to pull for Steve Spurier in the SEC championship game...... Decisions decisions decisions. I'm actually thinking I'll just grab my rifle and head to the woods for some afternoon hunting, and let the games take their course. Right now, it sure looks like Auburn and Georgia are fairly well matched. Unless one of the offenses gets tired of running up and down the field, this game may go to who throws the final TD pass!
As to Bama and Miss. State..... This one is always a bittersweet game for me. I have to pull for Bama, of course. However, State is where my mom graduated from (with honors) which was a little special for a female in the 1940's! Plus, my favorite Uncle was a past head of the school of electrical engineering there (he passed away a couple of decades ago), and I have several first cousins that graduated from State! Plus, Stat has a cheese making business that makes some really good cheese! Can anyone guess where my mom's family is from??
Still, as much as I would like to see State as winners, I don't pull for them against Bama. Can they beat Bama. Of course. It's that "any given Saturday" theory. However, I don't see Bama as being so beat up and "disgraced" from last week's game that they would fail to rise to the challenge of State. Of course, if we have the same refs that call completed passes that are down as fumbles, then who knows! It's always difficult to play against the other team AND the officials!! But, in the SEC, that is always a strong possibility, no matter who is playing who!
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 02:38 PM
Nice fumble, Georgia! But, there is no doubt, that WAS a fumble. Even SEC refs could get away with miss-calling that one!!
Yep.... Starting to look like the winner of Georgia/Auburn will be whoever scores last.
OMG! ROFLMAO!! Auburn fumbles it right back! Someone needs to wipe that ball down. I think it has pork lard on it!
Whew, that's a lot of pent up rage from not posting for 6 days. I wonder what Nick Saban was smoking,
allowing himself to be outcoached by a crazy dope pusher? Forcing his kicker to do the impossible because his
offense couldn't score in the red zone against a bunch of hopheads. The Fabulous, Furry Freak Brothers
go into Tuscaloosa and block out 101,000 screaming fans and walk out with the win. Hehe, what a great
game that was. See ya next year Bama.
Now...
As to SEC....Of course, if we have the same refs that call completed passes that are down as fumbles, then who knows! It's always difficult to play against the other team AND the officials!! But, in the SEC, that is always a strong possibility, no matter who is playing who!
That whining BS might work if the game had been in Tiger Stadium, but this all took place in your own
stadium. And you're unhappy with the way they called the game? You need a new prescription Kid...
With the recent advances on the internet, you can watch that clip over and over and over and over.
You can see your player a full foot off the ground and his gloves OUTSIDE the gloves of the LSU player
whose own gloves are on the football. By the time the play was "down" as you describe it, the LSU
player had full possession of the ball. Keep in mind, this was not reviewed with three bad camera angles
and reverted to the call on the field. The replay officials made the right call, and you are apparently still too pi$$ed
off to accept it. What you need to remember for the future is that the true champions play to a level that
utterly negates the possibility that a game will ride on one call, one interception, one tackle one fumble.
You guys got outplayed, out-kicked AND outcoached.
Well of course Tyrann runs his mouth. He's high on synthetic "Jane". And anyone who buys that crap that says he didn't know what he was taking is full of that same crap!! Come on..... This stuff sells for $40 per pack! They know! Maybe he plays above his abilities because he is high on dope, and doesn't feel anything!
But, that's just my opinion, of course. He is a punk. He will always be a punk. He stands a strong chance to eventually fail at life because he was not mentored from being a punk.
Thank goodness, the SEC will be represented in the national championship by a bunch of punks, thugs and dope-heads! Either that, or we have to accept that they are all so darn stupid that they know nothing at all about anything to understand that their behavior off the field makes them losers in life!
Just sayin' And, I see no logical defense of the lack of moral fiber of MANY of the LSU players, except to stick your head in the sand and ignore ALL the facts of the recent past. And the theory of "win at any cost" IS NOT in the spirit of the game of college football. But, if they are training for the pros, then, I guess the ends justify the means??
There. I've talked about the "white elephant" in the room that nobody else wants to see or discuss. Maybe now the thread will come back to life and we can discuss the games that are upcoming.
However, don't get upset with me when I fail to root for LSU to win the national championship if they play for it. I just can't accept the stain on the SEC from a team that the dopers and thugs of the team will bring to the game. That is my right, and is based on being raised with a set of morals that do not support "winning at any cost". And while the "books and records" will not ever show anything other than the wins and losses, I will make as bold of a future prediction as were made about LSU winning against Bama.
"The LSU players that were involved in the beat down of the U.S. serviceman (and the person he went to help) and the players that were on the synthetic dope and paid NO price for it WILL end up as losers in life."
But then, LSU will still show up as winners in the records, so who really cares, after all, right?
I think you need to pull for Brigham Young, Kid. This entire rant is a long version of the same
argument I made against the Florida Gators a few years back, and they called me a crazy a-hole then.
One of their players was videotaped in close-up trying to poke another player's eyes out. Another of
their players was arrested for being drunk and asleep at a stoplight. You know who does these kinds of
things, Kid?? Kids, young men, people who have been exceptional at sports their whole lives and have never
had to face up to anything bad because people always sweep it under the rug or give them the second chance
they probably deserve. And there are as many on the UA team as that UF team and the current LSU team.
Right now you sound like 95% of all the UA fans, still in shock that all of you and all of the national and
regional sports media were WRONG. THAT to me is the white elephant no one wants to talk about. Or is it
that USC beat UF and Oklahoma State POUNDED their opponent with 68 points and one more of your rematch
scenarios went bust. And if you support UA, then you SUPPORT win at any cost. It's the same reason they paid
Nick Saban more than any coach in the USA. It's the reason you have such good recruits. It's the reason you
are a national power. You just don't see it because you are a fan. That and nothing has come out about it.
it's high level college football.......please, spare me.
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 03:47 PM
You know, Brad... I went to great lengths NOT to attack you personally, or even from an angle. I talked about the game, and stated my opinion.
Guess that is you! You owe me, and others you chose to attack personally an apology. Sorry, Brad. That's just the way the forum works. Attack ideas and the game. But leave personal attacks off the open forum.
You know, Brad... I went to great lengths NOT to attack you personally, or even from an angle. I talked about the game, and stated my opinion.
Guess that is you! You owe me, and others you chose to attack personally an apology. Sorry, Brad. That's just the way the forum works. Attack ideas and the game. But leave personal attacks off the open forum.
Where were you attacked?? You went to great lengths not to attack ME? Are you saying that you
crafted a post that was offensive to me but chose your words carefully to avoid being viewed as
an attacker? That's how it reads to me given all you wrote. I am the only LSU fan that posts in this
thread, if you make wild and unsubstantiated statements regarding the character of the team
I pull for you are likely going to hear about it from me. Why don't you quote the alleged attack.
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 03:57 PM
As to the bad eggs on Bamas team???? Don't give generalities. Give specific, fact supported names... I've seen this argument from you in multiple posts. Never once saw any specifics.
And, Bama hired Nick away from Miami. Not LSU. When will LSU get it right that they lost Nick to Miami, not Bama. Seems simple, really. I've got several high school friends that went to LSU. They also can't seem to get that right!
Why did Bama hire Nick? Because we wanted someone to straighten out the mess created by the hiring of the past coached. And we paid him what it took to get the coach they felt could accomplish that goals. Paying coaches money. I just don't see how that equates to cheating????? Again, we can all go to the press and see the examples of character run amok on the LSU team (those stories that weren't quashed). Quote me specifics and sources in Bama, or leave that tired argument at the door. We all know the accuracy of "They Said".
As to why the thread is gone dry..... Maybe guys are tired of personal attacks for stating there opinion about LSU!
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 04:07 PM
It is difficult to cut and paste parts of threads on the phone. And I'm in woods, headed out on foot from hunting.
How about saying I need to change prescriptions? How about multiple direct references to me personally?
Why is it, that stating my opinion about your team (not about you, there IS a difference) is an attack on you? Anyone that disliked LSU automatically attacks you? Come on Brad. I could easily have attacked your opinions, instead of simply stating my opinions. That IS NOT the same thing as all the direct references to me, and how my opinions are wrong because they are negative towards LSU. Opinions are personal. Attack me all you want. It still does not change the FACTS that LSU players have some major character issues that have gone unpunished, all in the name of winning. Again, the facts are facts, and stating them does not make that an attack against you. It IS an attack against LSU. Difference.
Wow, this is almost the same as what happened with Rizzle. You make arguments that have nothing to do with
the point. Maybe I do the same thing, who knows. I am not upset about Saban being at Alabama. I don't care
where you guys got him. I am saying that teams that believe in Win At Any Cost pay a coach more than any coach
in history to that point. That's my point. I don't care why you hired him, that's for the board of whatevers to decide.
As for players that are "bad apples" or whatever term you might want to use, again, I am not saying that there
are specific players, the point I am making, and likely made elsewhere is that you guys go for the top recruits and you
get a lot of em. I doubt you do an exhaustive background check. Every team in the highest level of NCAA success likely
has a statistically accurate sample of players, good character and low character. I don't claim we are better than
anyone else at the top. I am just saying there is no way in hell that UA has only the good boys. That's naive and
ridiculous. And how perfectly can I make my point? Thank you Jerry Sandusky. Penn St. has never had a HINT of
trouble with the NCAA, and has been held up for DECADES as being the best of the best in how to do it right. I am guessing
I don't have to remind you what is going on up there right now.
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 04:15 PM
On to SEC action. Texting with my daughter about chili recipes, she tells me that since I left to go hunting, Auburn's QB has not looked good, and that Auburn is not (apparently) going to be the one to upset Georgia's applecart.
Oh well. That's the way the ball fumbles!
Now I've argued about LSU so long, I have to hike out of the woods in the dark. Without a flashlight. Thank goodness for iPhone apps! Flashlight uploading.
It is difficult to cut and paste parts of threads on the phone. And I'm in woods, headed out on foot from hunting.
How about saying I need to change prescriptions? How about multiple direct references to me personally?
Why is it, that stating my opinion about your team (not about you, there IS a difference) is an attack on you? Anyone that disliked LSU automatically attacks you? .
WHOA,, WHOA, WHOA, wait a minute. I don't think you are attacking me. Where are you getting this stuff?
Yes, you said derogatory things about my team, I refuted them. I did not do it gently enough for you I guess,
given the recent whipping your team got, I should have been more sensitive.
Check your prescription? That is an attack? It's a joke about your inability to see, or apparently to even
LOOK at the tape after the fact. Or maybe to SEE what it SHOWS. The tape is absolutely clear in what it
shows, an interception.
My multiple direct references to you stem from you being the single person today who is making multiple
wild statements about drugs and misbehavior. You want me to speak to the wall? I could care less
personally about what the players at LSU get caught doing. I am not holding them up as choir boys,
cause it's football. Again, they're kids...AND athletes. I am not attacking you. I am looking at your
post and tearing it apart logically. This is a discussion forum. Most of what you say is actually indefensible
and I am pulling it apart to show you where you are wrong. You can do the same to me, I could care less.
You mis-interpret what I said. I don't feel attacked in the slightest. I have nothing against you whatsoever.
You being wrong is not a character flaw.
By "wild statements" by the way, I am saying that your 'rant' is full of sarcasm and hyperbole, I get that. Mine too.
I am not saying you have no right to spout off about moral fiber and bring your own upbringing into
it as if it has anything to do with the LSU players or the bama team for that matter. I didn't even comment when you
made a reference to an ex-serviceman being beaten, all on Veterans Day weekend. I am guessing that all Marines
in bars are choirboys, too and would never provoke a famous black athlete? Did you know that the Marine in question
has a criminal record? Does it matter? I know you have made a few attempts to get back to football in this thread,
and that is fine. But it was not me that brought up all this bad person business tonight. I only reacted to it.
You can't expect me to see it any other way, actually. You would not be the first UA fan that has popped in here
in a very pi$$ed off mood after the loss and said bad things about the Tigers. The ONLY thing that fired me up about
your entire post was the 'they're bad, we're good' angle that I see as grossly naive and stinks of sour grapes.
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 04:35 PM
I wonder if there is an entertaining game on that I can watch while I clean and put up these squirrels? The auburn game has lost all appeal, unless I want to count how many times Auburn can drop or turn the ball over. I still think there must be hog lard or something slippery on that ball!
I see that Tenn/Ark is on. Not really that big on either team, so nothing invested there. But maybe it will be better ball play than the Auburn game. Will have to see.
Oh my goodness. Did I hear that Tennessee is looking for it's first SEC win? I all the sudden have the feeling this game may be as one-sided as the Auburn game! Time to look for other possibilities before I get my hands covered in squirrel guts and blood (yum yum)!
And in summary, all you have to DO is read post #332 to see why my posts contain direct references to you.
You hold that up as a main point about my insulting, sorry, attacking you. Come on, really? You say that
you went to great lengths NOT TO ATTACK ME, but you are quoting me directly as the source of your rant.
I do not mistake a rant for an attack, just telling you where you are wrong. And believe me, I will NEVER state
to anyone in this thread, OR this forum that I feel they are attacking me. People are free to say & think what they will
of me and my opinions. But I am not lying down and just letting them state things as if their word is the end all be all.
I think it is funny that Rizzle thinks that discussing this with me is like talking to his 2 year old. I am fine with Rizzle,
even if he hates my guts. I like him.
But to you and all your fellow football fans, I am sorry if I offended any of you and that I am so forceful in stating my
conflicting opinions. Hell I'm lucky, WE WON THE GAME.
-----------------------
EDIT: Sorry, I forgot to fully cover over that Saban wound. I love Les Miles, I am not upset that Saban is at bama.
I wish him luck as do all LSU fans. I think you actually thought that I am bitter about that. Again, I am just saying
paying him 3 or 4 million a year is WIN AT ANY COST. i am not even saying that is bad. I am just saying that remark
by you regarding WAAC is a little pot/kettle. There was no reference to 'cheating" from me for paying a coach top dollar.
Les Miles is paid top dollar, too. It's called Win At Any Cost.
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 04:51 PM
Not sure if I understood all I just saw on that Arkansas punt return!!
I had no idea that the LSU QB Jefferson was accused of beating a ex-Marine. But someone here told us about that tonight.
And on Veterans Day besides...Shame on jordan Jefferson, beating such a innocent young man.
http://theadvocate.com/news/678895-64/man-in-bar-fight-accused.html
http://outkickthecoverage.com/andrew-lowery-marine-jordan-jefferson-allegedly-kicked-has-criminal-history.php
http://deadspin.com/5834470/there-are-no-angels-in-baton-rouge
By the way, you can watch alabama versus Mississippi State here:
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/source/espn3/#type/upcoming/
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 05:15 PM
Well, it looks like Arkansas has this game well in hand! Maybe time to watch a saved show until Bama game comes on! Denise Johnson sure can kick it into high gear when he has open field in front of him!
rizzle
11-12-2011, 05:39 PM
LSU bleauxs.
Haha, I was gonna stop, but I had to come back from that one, Rizzle, lol. LSU must certainly BLEAUX from where
you sit. I was gonna tell Kid that you had called me rambling, incoherent, incessant, ill-informed and assinine all in
one post (297) and I didn't feel insulted. Honestly. Truthfully with no sarcasm.
I understand different people are different, but I thought saying I attacked him was innaccurate. But there is
no point in making this go on longer, I just found that funny, Rizzle. The only thing at the core of all of the things
I said was this singular point. There were weeks and weeks of Bama fans here saying that LSU had no shot, and after
the LSU win, not one single sincere 'congratulations' from any of you. I got a grudgingly sincere one out of longknocker,
but you and Kid came in griping about what should have been. Fair, sure, but in my opinion, poor sportsmanship.
But I know the loss hurts and I know the win was imperfect at best. I just found it interesting in a place with
such percieved gentlemanship, the same referenced by the Kid when he said I owed him an apology, that not one of you
came in for the "good game' hand slap after the game or even the next morning. As you guys are fond of saying..."I'm Just Sayin".
Scothew
11-12-2011, 06:46 PM
Good pick Brad. SC pulled off their end of the deal. Now...I need Auburn to come through for me.
Talk about a let down ;s
That hurt to watch. I thought that UGA was about level with Auburn, to tell you the truth, but Richt must be feeling
that old pressure bearing down on him and lit a fire under his boys. Just an ugly, ugly thing to see happen. Sorry bout
that one, Scott.
What really hurts is watching MSU make dumb mistake after dumb mistake in a game versus UA that they
KNOW they have to be perfect in. Oh crap, Dylan Favre is in, lol. Painful watching them try to move the ball.
Arhg, the pull the only QB that's moving the ball......
And they replace him with a man who throws a 3rd down into the dirt at no one.
Scothew
11-12-2011, 06:59 PM
Yeah to go from such a high last year with a perfect season to go to now 6-4 and just looking like on a quick slope downhill, its hurting.
SvilleKid
11-12-2011, 07:19 PM
Yeah to go from such a high last year with a perfect season to go to now 6-4 and just looking like on a quick slope downhill, its hurting.
On a positive note, I would think they should finish with a winning season. I'm assuming they can beat Samford at JH. Bama is anybody's guess. It always depends on which teams show up, regardless of anything that has happened before in the season.
It appears that Tennessee STILL is winless in the SEC. Talk about a falling program!
All your team are belong to LSU.
Powers
11-17-2011, 06:43 PM
My Gators are hurtin', but we'll be bowl eligible once we beat Furman!
:noon
My Gators are hurtin', but we'll be bowl eligible once we beat Furman!
:noon
As i said, as a life long UGA fan I ALMOST feel sorry for the gaytors.:r
rizzle
11-18-2011, 08:18 AM
My Gators are hurtin', but we'll be bowl eligible once we beat Furman!
:noon
Do y'all have superior depth and balance to Furman? If not, watch out.
hammondc
11-18-2011, 08:25 AM
I think my Mighty Mighty Gamecocks should be able to hold Citadel. I hope they get enough of a lead to pull the first stringers out and give them a break before the Clemson next week.
Do y'all have superior depth and balance to Furman? If not, watch out.
;) Smarta$$, lol.
Powers
11-19-2011, 12:23 PM
Kentucky and Georgia is a great game! Come on Wildcats
As for the Gators, hard to tell so far whether its FU or UF that's division 1AA :confused:
I was really proud of the Kentucky team today, they have improved in nearly every phase of the game. I was pulling hard
for them, as I am for MISS St. right now. Both lost causes it would seem, but State has played all the best teams so
tough in 2011. They deserve a lot of credit for their quality coaching this year. Execution executed both teams this year.
hammondc
11-19-2011, 05:00 PM
Wow, Clemson. Just Wow....
That Georgia Southern looks pretty good. Hung more points on bama than LSU did.
hammondc
11-19-2011, 07:37 PM
I was actually impressed with GASO. Was Bama playing their starters?
I remember when they were first starting their football program up a few years ago, the coach was
convinced that they were gonna kick a$$ and was infectiously excited about finally gettin it cranked up.
hammondc
11-19-2011, 09:56 PM
Anyone watching this Oklahoma / Baylor battle?
SvilleKid
11-19-2011, 10:31 PM
Anyone watching this Oklahoma / Baylor battle?
Yeah. Right after USC-Oregon game went off. For some reason, that game was more of a local game for Bama area then the Okl/Baylor game!! Go figure! The Okie coach sure shot himself in the foot by calling that time out when Baylor was willing to go to OT!!!
Powers
11-20-2011, 09:05 AM
The Okie coach sure shot himself in the foot by calling that time out when Baylor was willing to go to OT!!!
my boy Bob Stoops :(
jjirons69
11-20-2011, 06:31 PM
Wow, Clemson. Just Wow....
:sad
rizzle
11-20-2011, 07:41 PM
I remember when they were first starting their football program up a few years ago, the coach was
convinced that they were gonna kick a$$ and was infectiously excited about finally gettin it cranked up.
Georgia Southern has been playing ball for a long time. You're thinking of Georgia State.
Georgia Southern has been playing ball for a long time. You're thinking of Georgia State.
I am guessing you are right. I am regionally ignorant. Or worse, they all sound the same to me, haha.
Powers
11-20-2011, 10:37 PM
#1 LSU #2 Alabama #3 Arkansas
Any doubt the SEC is the best?
hammondc
11-21-2011, 07:31 AM
Never has been any doubt.
Ark beats LSU and plays in the National Championship without winning the SEC Championship.
Now that would be some crazy stuff right there, and completely possible.
Ark vs Bama for the BCS NT. :D
macpappy
11-21-2011, 09:10 PM
Ark beats LSU and plays in the National Championship without winning the SEC Championship.
Now that would be some crazy stuff right there, and completely possible.
Ark vs Bama for the BCS NT. :D
What's crazy is what you're smoking instead of tobacco.
What's crazy is what you're smoking instead of tobacco.
Will see after friday afternoon.
longknocker
11-22-2011, 04:19 AM
Will see after friday afternoon.
Should Be A Great Game! I'm Turning Down A Golf Outing To Watch This!:tu
designwise1
11-22-2011, 07:58 AM
How 'bout them Hogs?!?! Wooooooooooo pig! Soooooie!
rizzle
11-22-2011, 10:07 AM
What's crazy is what you're smoking instead of tobacco.
I'm with you.
Although the pigs match up more favorably with LSU and have improved since earlier in the season, I think LSU will handle them about like we did. I don't think Arky scores more than 14.
But you never know.
Powers
11-26-2011, 05:51 AM
In Gainesville for Thanksgiving, heading out to tailgate for my first Gator game in two years :tu
hammondc
11-26-2011, 09:25 PM
Oh yeah!!! Clemson exposed again for the overrated team they are- Losing to an 'overrated SC' that played 'such a weak schedule in a weak division'. Good luck vs VT.
icehog3
11-26-2011, 11:59 PM
The season was officially a failure after today.
Scothew
11-27-2011, 09:41 AM
Well looks like SEC is gonna be in the national champ game on both sides right? Im a bit butt hurt from that kicking AU just took, but I hope to keep the title in state, so I guess RTR!
hammondc
11-27-2011, 09:55 AM
Well looks like SEC is gonna be in the national champ game on both sides right? Im a bit butt hurt from that kicking AU just took, but I hope to keep the title in state, so I guess RTR!
I would love for Auburn to get Clemson again for the Chick-Fil-A bowl and stomp a mudhole in them .
Scothew
11-27-2011, 10:03 AM
You really dont like clemson huh Chip :p
hammondc
11-27-2011, 02:57 PM
Eh....just rolling in the glory since all of my Clemson friends/family have been yip yapping since week 2 about how badass they are and how they are going to destroy SC since they beat Auburn and SC did not. I am talking big time, non-stop, serious **** talking for almost 3 months now. Now all they talk about is the historical record of the rivalry.
BigAl_SC
11-27-2011, 03:45 PM
Eh....just rolling in the glory since all of my Clemson friends/family have been yip yapping since week 2 about how badass they are and how they are going to destroy SC since they beat Auburn and SC did not. I am talking big time, non-stop, serious **** talking for almost 3 months now. Now all they talk about is the historical record of the rivalry.
It was sweet.... Made even better by the fact that it was without Lattimore. They couldn't even say it was due to a Heisman candidate. Only part of living in greenville that i hate... the cocky tiger fans....
Well looks like SEC is gonna be in the national champ game on both sides right?
On the night of the 'Game of the Century' basking in the afterglow, I was with you.
Then I saw Bama fans for what they really were, in this thread and in town and on LSU forums web-wide.
I am being too harsh....80% of bama fans, where I have encountered them, have been extremely poor
sports. And for weeks I would not abide talk of that supposed 'rematch'. bama got beaten at HOME
by LSU and might get rewarded as a national champ with a win over LSU on a neutral field. That to me
is just absolutely nuts. But the other great undefeateds turned out to be not so great and one valid
argument after another has fallen by the wayside. And in terms of the system as we know it, it is
the most likely scenario now, so I have to live with that 98% probablility. Let's hope when we win in
New Orleans that it will be a little different. Yeah, that'll happen. ;)
(The Superdome ain't no neutral site, we were injury hampered, there was a cold front, our bus got
stolen, Richadson was not himself, McCarron got hurt, Saban has bypass surgery......)
:r
Eh....just rolling in the glory since all of my Clemson friends/family have been yip yapping since week 2 about how badass they are and how they are going to destroy SC since they beat Auburn and SC did not. I am talking big time, non-stop, serious **** talking for almost 3 months now. Now all they talk about is the historical record of the rivalry.
I am with you, man, you have seen my end of it, too. The other team's fans talking **it for weeks and
then just not able to come to grips with it after they lose. Better for you, though, because you are
not half the pric& I am so they didn't come after you AND your team, but I have watched the
cocks have to deal with their rivalry/dominance issues this season as well. It was kind of unfair, in that
we all respond poorly when our teams lose, but this year it was more sharp-ended than usual. I guess
it's because everyone hates LSU. Or maybe pre-season polls ought to be outlawed. But you want to
see real $hit-talking? Watch when we beat bama twice. Then they will say "That's only 1-1. This won't be
decided until the SECOND rematch." :rolleyes:
Powers
11-28-2011, 09:29 AM
"But what I didn't want to have happen, and I made this clear to Jeremy, if I am able to go coach, I want to coach at one place, the University of Florida. It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach. I don't want to do that. I have too much love for this University and these players and for what we've built."-Urban Meyer.
Go Michigan.
longknocker
11-28-2011, 09:35 AM
I am with you, man, you have seen my end of it, too. The other team's fans talking **it for weeks and
then just not able to come to grips with it after they lose. Better for you, though, because you are
not half the pric& I am so they didn't come after you AND your team, but I have watched the
cocks have to deal with their rivalry/dominance issues this season as well. It was kind of unfair, in that
we all respond poorly when our teams lose, but this year it was more sharp-ended than usual. I guess
it's because everyone hates LSU. Or maybe pre-season polls ought to be outlawed. But you want to
see real $hit-talking? Watch when we beat bama twice. Then they will say "That's only 1-1. This won't be
decided until the SECOND rematch." :rolleyes:
What Will You Say If We Win, Brad?;)
Wait, let me intensify the point. It would be wrong to reward bama as the NatChamp if they were to beat LSU
on a 'neutral field' after losing to LSU at home AND not even winning their division, much less their conference.
But again, this is the setup under the current system and try as I might, I can't see ANY other viable option.
And for the record, I was THRILLED that LSU co-champed in 2003 with two OT losses. But I thought it was
unfair.
Now onto your question. I will come into this thread and congratulate all of you, exactly the way I would have
done it had you beaten LSU at Tuscaloosa earlier. I told you as much a month ago. I still feel the same way...if
bama beats the Tigers, it won't be one play or another, it will be that we failed to execute our game plan, the plays
needed to score, and to otherwise secure victory. I have no problem praising the better team. And if you beat us
WAY in the freaking future in 2012 (hard to believe we'd wait that long) you will surely be the better team, because
there is no way you were a month ago or are now. (ehh, maybe a push) I just wish I could wrap my head around
the mess the BCS has scripted. I would love to play Houston, whom I feel DESERVES it more, but what would that prove? PLAYOFF!
Oh and to add in an edit....if we do it in January sometime (or is it in Feb?) then you guys should win, because according
to our pal Sville Kid, all of LSU's players will be in jail or suspended, given the LONG layoff between Arkansas and the BCS NCG.
Hard to believe they will be able to lay off the dope and car-stealing for that long. :r
What Will You Say If We Win, Brad?;)
The SHORT answer, sorry. Of course I will congratulate you guys. You would deserve it.
rizzle
11-28-2011, 10:11 AM
I'm with you.
Although the pigs match up more favorably with LSU and have improved since earlier in the season, I think LSU will handle them about like we did. I don't think Arky scores more than 14.
But you never know.
So I was slightly wrong. By 3. ;)
Alabama 38
Arkansas 14
LSU 41
Arkansas 17
rizzle
11-28-2011, 10:15 AM
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rizzle
11-28-2011, 10:18 AM
I am with you, man, you have seen my end of it, too. The other team's fans talking **it for weeks and
then just not able to come to grips with it after they lose. Better for you, though, because you are
not half the pric& I am so they didn't come after you AND your team, but I have watched the
cocks have to deal with their rivalry/dominance issues this season as well. It was kind of unfair, in that
we all respond poorly when our teams lose, but this year it was more sharp-ended than usual. I guess
it's because everyone hates LSU. Or maybe pre-season polls ought to be outlawed. But you want to
see real $hit-talking? Watch when we beat bama twice. Then they will say "That's only 1-1. This won't be
decided until the SECOND rematch." :rolleyes:
Actually , it's because everyone hates LSU fans, not LSU. And you're a prime example of why. Carry on...
Powers
11-28-2011, 11:58 AM
A quick Google search didn't come up with anything but I believe the last time there was a rematch for the National Title was UF-FSU in '96. Pretty similar situation. Florida was #1 and lost at #2 FSU by 3, went on to beat #11 Bama in the SEC championship and then manhandled FSU to win the title in a re-match.
Can't wait to see how this one plays out, my gut is that Bama will win. I think Saban's gonna have those boys riled up and hungry. Not to mention its tough in general to beat a team twice
hammondc
11-28-2011, 12:27 PM
my gut is that Bama will win.
I agree.
longknocker
11-28-2011, 01:24 PM
A quick Google search didn't come up with anything but I believe the last time there was a rematch for the National Title was UF-FSU in '96. Pretty similar situation. Florida was #1 and lost at #2 FSU by 3, went on to beat #11 Bama in the SEC championship and then manhandled FSU to win the title in a re-match.
Can't wait to see how this one plays out, my gut is that Bama will win. I think Saban's gonna have those boys riled up and hungry. Not to mention its tough in general to beat a team twice
I agree.
Me, Three!:D :tu
Looks like a replay of last month.
longknocker
11-28-2011, 04:05 PM
Looks like a replay of last month.
We Shall See, Brad. If You Win, My Congratulations Will Go Out To You!:tu:)
Punk Thug Named SEC Player of the Week, as well as Walter Camp Player of the Week.
In a first career start at a position he was filling in at for hero of the bama defeat, Eric Reid,
Tyrann Mathieu responded by leading the Tigers with eight tackles, two forced fumbles and
a fumble recovery.
The two forced fumbles ran his career total to 11, which ranks as the seventh-highest total in NCAA
history and ties Guss Scott of Florida for the SEC record. Imagine what he could have done hade
he put the bong down.
In addition to his defensive play against Arkansas, Mathieu returned a punt 92 yards for a touchdown
in the second quarter that tied the game at 14-14. For the year, Mathieu leads the Tigers with 66 tackles
to go along with 5.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, two interceptions, seven pass breakups, six forced fumbles
and four fumble recoveries.
Enjoy your week off elephants, the big boys have a game to play.
Powers
11-30-2011, 12:11 PM
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rizzle
11-30-2011, 07:29 PM
Yawn.
rizzle
12-01-2011, 09:55 AM
NON Punk Thug named SEC Player of The Week for third time as well as Walter Camp Player of the Week.
For a third time this season, Trent Richardson has been named the Southeastern Conference's Offensive Player of the Week. Richardson ran 27 times for a career-high 203 yards Saturday in leading No. 2 Alabama to a 42-14 victory at Auburn. He also caught a 5-yard touchdown pass.
Previously Richardson was the offensive player of the week after a 38-14 victory over Arkansas on Sept. 24 and after a 52-7 victory on Oct. 15 at Ole Miss. He had 128 yards rushing and 85 yards and a touchdown receiving against Arkansas. he ran for 183 yards and four touchdowns at Ole Miss.
And after a career-high 203 rushing yards against rival Auburn last Saturday, Richardson was the Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week.
**You know, just for the equal representation and stuff since this kind of thing seems to be a big deal to other fanbases.
longknocker
12-01-2011, 10:49 AM
NON Punk Thug named SEC Player of The Week for third time as well as Walter Camp Player of the Week.
For a third time this season, Trent Richardson has been named the Southeastern Conference's Offensive Player of the Week. Richardson ran 27 times for a career-high 203 yards Saturday in leading No. 2 Alabama to a 42-14 victory at Auburn. He also caught a 5-yard touchdown pass.
Previously Richardson was the offensive player of the week after a 38-14 victory over Arkansas on Sept. 24 and after a 52-7 victory on Oct. 15 at Ole Miss. He had 128 yards rushing and 85 yards and a touchdown receiving against Arkansas. he ran for 183 yards and four touchdowns at Ole Miss.
And after a career-high 203 rushing yards against rival Auburn last Saturday, Richardson was the Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week.
**You know, just for the equal representation and stuff since this kind of thing seems to be a big deal to other fanbases.
WTG, Ritchie!!!:D :banger
SvilleKid
12-01-2011, 04:36 PM
NON Punk Thug named SEC Player of The Week for third time as well as Walter Camp Player of the Week.
For a third time this season, Trent Richardson has been named the Southeastern Conference's Offensive Player of the Week. Richardson ran 27 times for a career-high 203 yards Saturday in leading No. 2 Alabama to a 42-14 victory at Auburn. He also caught a 5-yard touchdown pass.
Previously Richardson was the offensive player of the week after a 38-14 victory over Arkansas on Sept. 24 and after a 52-7 victory on Oct. 15 at Ole Miss. He had 128 yards rushing and 85 yards and a touchdown receiving against Arkansas. he ran for 183 yards and four touchdowns at Ole Miss.
And after a career-high 203 rushing yards against rival Auburn last Saturday, Richardson was the Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week.
**You know, just for the equal representation and stuff since this kind of thing seems to be a big deal to other fanbases.
:tu
WOW, UGA has come to play tonight!
Hoping sooooooo bad that Georgia wins this game.... Think it would be such a joke to possibly have 2 teams in the BCS Championship game that couldn't win their own conference.....
longknocker
12-03-2011, 03:10 PM
Georgia Up 10-0????:confused: Didn't See That Coming.
longknocker
12-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Hoping sooooooo bad that Georgia wins this game.... Think it would be such a joke to possibly have 2 teams in the BCS Championship game that couldn't win their own conference.....
Still Won't Change Things Even If Georgia Wins. LSU & BAMA Are The Two Best Teams In College FB. Like It Or Not. :tu
Still Won't Change Things Even If Georgia Wins. LSU & BAMA Are The Two Best Teams In College FB. Like It Or Not. :tu
If you are the best team in the country, you win your conference....
If you cannot win your own conference, you should not be National Champion in CFB, because that is the playoff system we have. Nothing anyone says can change my thinking on that.....
Funny thing is, Nick Saban felt the same way a few years ago.....:r
But again, I hope it plays out like that.... Nothing would amuse me more, than to see two teams that cannot win their own conference championship, play for the National Championship....
longknocker
12-03-2011, 03:27 PM
If you are the best team in the country, you win your conference....
If you cannot win your own conference, you should not be National Champion in CFB, because that is the playoff system we have. Nothing anyone says can change my thinking on that.....
Funny thing is, Nick Saban felt the same way a few years ago.....:r
Supposedly, He Never Said That, According To Recent Reports. Look At The Record For The Entire Year. LSU & BAMA Are 1&2 No Matter How You Look At It. SEC Is Undeniably The Toughest Conference, Right, Brother? :)
longknocker
12-03-2011, 03:33 PM
The 2Best Teams Should Play For The Nat. Championship Even If They Are In The Same Conference. Who Would You Put At 1&2?
Again, I don't agree. Teams in the same conference play to find a winner, if they cannot win, they should not get a shot to play for a national championship. Assuming Okie Lite & LSU both win, that is the game I would want....
longknocker
12-03-2011, 03:54 PM
Again, I don't agree. Teams in the same conference play to find a winner, if they cannot win, they should not get a shot to play for a national championship. Assuming Okie Lite & LSU both win, that is the game I would want....
If That Were The Existing Rules, No Problem. Okie State Would Get Mauled By LSU.
It's cart and horse time yet, LSU WILL win this football game, mark it down.
But WOW, this is what UGA was touted to be in the pre-season. I couldn't
believe what happened over the first two games. I also can't believe LSU
has yet to make a first down...WAIT, might we get one on a RTK penalty??
Haha, nope.
This UGA defense is doing what bama couldn't do...impressive...VERY impressive.
Let's see if a girl wins the Tuition Throw....oops, it's a LOCK. Remember last
year that girl whipped that dude's a$$?
NO FAIR, a girl was forced to throw at a DP10 can, everybody knows "it's not for ladies."
longknocker
12-03-2011, 04:01 PM
It's cart and horse time yet, LSU WILL win this football game, mark it down.
But WOW, this is what UGA was touted to be in the pre-season. I couldn't
believe what happened over the first two games. I also can't believe LSU
has yet to make a first down...WAIT, might we get one on a RTK penalty??
haha, nope.
This UGA defense is doing what bama couldn't do...impressive...VERY impressive.
I Agree, Brad. I Don't Think Georgia Can Keep This Up, Though. I'm Ready For A BAMA-LSU Rematch! Think Saban Is Watching This Game? :D
icehog3
12-03-2011, 04:03 PM
Zero first half first downs for LSU...UGA should get a prize just for that, first time it has happened to any SEC team this season.
longknocker
12-03-2011, 04:04 PM
Zero first half first downs for LSU...UGA should get a prize just for that, first time it has happened to any SEC team this season.
:tu
I am not so sure Greg. I DO think LSU has a much deeper defense, Gary Danielson touched
on it...He said they rotate between 11 and 20 players through the defense in a typical game.
That should lead to the traditional LSU Wear-em-down, but man oh man, what an effort thus far!
2 thumbs up to the Dawgs.
Zero first half first downs for LSU...UGA should get a prize just for that, first time it has happened to any SEC team this season.
Sadly I think that stat is "in History" Tom, lol.
icehog3
12-03-2011, 04:07 PM
Sadly I think that stat is "in History" Tom, lol.
Really? I would be shocked.
If That Were The Existing Rules, No Problem. Okie State Would Get Mauled By LSU.
Remember Greg, it is what I want to see happen. I want LUS to lose and then play Bama in the BCS Championship game.... I have no horse in the race, thus the joke of that would make my season....
As far as what would happen with Okie Lite and LSU, that is why they play the game.... If we could just assume the winners, we wouldn't even have to have a season.
Bet you thought Bama was going to maul the Utes in the Sugar a few years ago, right?;)
longknocker
12-03-2011, 04:24 PM
Remember Greg, it is what I want to see happen. I want LUS to lose and then play Bama in the BCS Championship game.... I have no horse in the race, thus the joke of that would make my season....
As far as what would happen with Okie Lite and LSU, that is why they play the game.... If we could just assume the winners, we wouldn't even have to have a season.
Bet you thought Bama was going to maul the Utes in the Sugar a few years ago, right?;)
You Would Bring That Up!;) Any Given Day, Any Team Can Win. I Still Feel LSU & BAMA Are The Two Best Teams "This Year" And Most Experts Agree.:tu
icehog3
12-03-2011, 04:38 PM
Wow, Brad, sorry for doubting you. Unreal.
Really? I would be shocked.
ah, I guess with the teams that are near the bottom of the SEC, perennially it seems, I guess
you are right. Not sure what I heard him say anyway. But I thought the possibilty was hilarious.
I m glad Gary Danielson said it, and I wish Les Miles had taken a little bit of Tracy's time to say it,
This team could NOT be there without the stout play of Jarrett Lee from the first game through the
return of Jordan Jefferson. I feel very embarassed that Les Miles did not put him in the game while
it was still in doubt, to reward him for his valor and character. If he throws a pick, or does not perform,
so what, you have the best team on the field, and arguably in the USA, give the man his due. Not to
say you put him in because Jefferson was struggling, but to say, "hey this is how we got here, and I think
you have earned a few series. That kid was clearly disappointed, if not pi$$ed, it was clear. :(
Smokin Gator
12-03-2011, 06:59 PM
Congrats to LSU... I am looking forward to seeing the rematch and I could care less who wins. I think it will be a great game to watch as an SEC fan though.
longknocker
12-03-2011, 09:20 PM
Congrats to LSU... I am looking forward to seeing the rematch and I could care less who wins. I think it will be a great game to watch as an SEC fan though.
:tu Except I Hope BAMA Wins The Rematch!:D Did I Hear Danielson Say If BAMA Wins This One, BAMA & LSU Should Be Declared Co-Champs Since LSU Won The Reg. Season & They Would Be 1-1 Against Each Other???:confused:
:tu Did I Hear Danielson Say If BAMA Wins This One, BAMA & LSU Should Be Declared Co-Champs Since LSU Won The Reg. Season & They Would Be 1-1 Against Each Other???:confused:
I tend to agree. The first game was basically a push. I have little doubt that game two will be
so as well. I obviously would not want to see it split, because of the factor of the PLACE that
bama lost, but OT losses are not a good way to get a fair LOSS, and hardly a great way to take
a fair WIN. I am not sure how else you could play overtime that would be timely or fair, but
I feel like LSU and bama are very obviously the two best teams in the USA. I can't see any way,
outside of repeated battles until one team can't field 22 players anymore, that you can call
one the ultimate champion of 2011. But a 1-1 split, without a third game, or a "most first downs"
or "best fans" or letting an actual elephant square off against a Tiger in a steel cage match,
is not a good ending, in my opinion. Thank god we will beat bama twice. ;)
And don't get me wrong, all of you know, I do not think bama DESERVES to be in that game, they lost at home
to the number one team in the country at that time. But the other teams that had a shining moment, a chance
at greatness, all proved to be fallible, not up to the task. Hell, I would have rathered see Houston Cougars in the
champ game because they had beaten everyone they had faced, and then they lost to my alma mater.
Go Eagles Go!! Fine job...FINE job!
Me thinking LSU and alabama are the two best teams in the country leaves ample room however to feel
that they should not be allowed into that game, but it is clear that they WILL BE, so I understand and
accept it. It is not unfair at all given the data. I just wish some other teams would have shown some
spine and played ball, lol.
It is not unfair at all given the data. I just wish some other teams would have shown some
spine and played ball, lol.
Tale of the tape Alabama vs Oklahoma State
Conference Champion No - Yes
Wins vs Ranked Opponents 4 - 4
Wins vs Top 10 0 - 2
Both have a loss, both in OT, one at home, one on the road. One lost to a great team, the other to a mediocre team. I will not go into the circumstances prior to the OSU loss. Though I do believe it had baring.
In the current BCS top 25 - OSU has beat Missouri(25), Texas(22), Baylor(17), Kansas State(11) and Oklahoma(10).
In the current BCS top 25 - Alabama has beat Arkansas(8) and Penn State(21)
Alabama had a shot, at home, to beat the opponent we are discussing and lost. The game was fair, they just didn't get the job done. Give someone else a shot.
Conference ratings -
http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc11.htm?loc=interstitialskip
Again, no dog in this hunt, just putting out what I believe to be "fair." All this talk about the best 2 teams in the country is crap. That is assumption, games are not won and lost, by who people think are the best, they are won and lost on the field. Alabama had their shot at this LSU team(who I personally don't think can be beat by anyone we are talking about), so give the team that earned their shot a try.
IMO, best game would be USC vs LSU.....;)
Powers
12-04-2011, 09:41 AM
Congrats LSU.
Ready to watch the rematch :tu
haha, USC, huh? That would be good, no doubt. The only facet of your analysis that I do not necessarily think
holds MUCH water is the wins versus top ten teams. IT IS A TELLING STAT, but in reality it shouldn't weigh
too highly, simply because of the difficulty in scheduling. You can't expect all viable teams to be able to successfully
schedule super-competition, or to be able to plan far enough in advance to get it done in practical terms. That said,
you need to play good teams to have a shot at the respect you need to be in that one game that REALLY matters.
That's where I think your top 25 stat shines. THAT is a reasonable stat to hold up as viable for more teams.
You don't see a lot of GA Southerns and McNeese St.'s and Sisters of the Poor on OK St's resume. (I do not have
their schedule available, maybe they do) I agree, I think it is not only more fair but more interesting to give another
team a shot at LSU. If bama had not been AT HOME when they lost, I would likely be a little more convinced. I am
on record as thinking OT losses and wins are a toss up, I think you get it done in regulation if you want to be taken
seriously, but AT HOME and under SUCH conditions of being the favorite.,,not good.
Powers
12-04-2011, 09:50 AM
Alabama had their shot at this LSU team(who I personally don't think can be beat by anyone we are talking about), so give the team that earned their shot a try.
This always makes me smile. For the past 5 years we've had vocal non-SEC fans say the SEC team in the title game is overrated. Hell, I remember ESPN saying the '06 Ohio State offense was one of the best ever and Florida held 'em to 82 yards of TOTAL offense. Both Bama and LSU would do the same thing to any of this year's teams
One of the reasons I want a playoff system is to prove yet again, as if the past 5 years haven't, that the SEC dominates :tu
This always makes me smile. For the past 5 years we've had vocal non-SEC fans say the SEC team in the title game is overrated. Hell, I remember ESPN saying the '06 Ohio State offense was one of the best ever and Florida held 'em to 82 yards of TOTAL offense. Both Bama and LSU would do the same thing to any of this year's teams
One of the reasons I want a playoff system is to prove yet again, as if the past 5 years haven't, that the SEC dominates :tu
I think you misread that one, I think he is saying that it doesn't matter, because in his mind, none of the other
teams we are talking about seem capable of beating LSU, anyway. I think most people agree that SEC football is the
peak of power and balance in football today. They don't like it much, but it has indeed been made clear of late.
Let me tell you ANOTHER reason why I think OK state is going to get into the slot in New Orleans.
I think the voters have been grudgingly swallowing a rematch given all the attrition taking place
all over the field of battle before them. They have been holding their breath hoping a team would
rise to the challenge and give them a viable and believable resume with which to avoid the REAL
controversy nationwide that would ensue were they to vote in a rematch A., and B. a inter-conference
rematch, and C. a SEC INTER-CONFERENCE REMATCH. I am not saying they want to avoid controversy
at all costs, but I would bet that they hear the drums beating for the abolition of the system they have set up.
It never ends, every year you have furious fans. Not what you are looking for in a system that's designed
to create a concensus No.1. I say they JUMP at the chance to bump bama out of the title game.
------edit----------
Ehhh, JUMP at the chance to vote bama out is a real stretch. COVER SHOULD they vote bama out is more like it.
longknocker
12-04-2011, 10:36 AM
Let me tell you ANOTHER reason why I think OK state is going to get into the slot in New Orleans.
I think the voters have been grudgingly swallowing a rematch given all the attrition taking place
all over the field of battle before them. They have been holding their breath hoping a team would
rise to the challenge and give them a viable and believable resume with which to avoid the REAL
controversy nationwide that would ensue were they to vote in a rematch A., and B. a inter-conference
rematch, and C. a SEC INTER-CONFERENCE REMATCH. I am not saying they want to avoid controversy
at all costs, but I would bet that they hear the drums beating for the abolition of the system they have set up.
It never ends, every year you have furious fans. Not what you are looking for in a system that's designed
to create a concensus No.1. I say they JUMP at the chance to bump bama out of the title game.
------edit----------
Ehhh, JUMP at the chance to vote bama out is a real stretch. COVER SHOULD they vote bama out is more like it.
It's Possible, Brad. 50-50 Chance?
I'd say you have 80% bama - 20 % Oklahoma State. It should come down to how the voters want to be seen.
Do they want to be seen as realistic consumers of football or as accountants and arbiters of fairness across
the national spectrum. Most fans of brutal, power football that want to see the pure game played at the
highest level see it as a no-brainer...bama is in. There are other fans that see the SEC as a bunch of cheating
football programs with loudmouth, arrogant fans. Who do the voters play to?
longknocker
12-04-2011, 10:56 AM
I'd say you have 80% bama - 20 % Oklahoma State. It should come down to how the voters want to be seen.
Do they want to be seen as realistic consumers of football or as accountants and arbiters of fairness across
the national spectrum. Most fans of brutal, power football that want to see the pure game played at the
highest level see it as a no-brainer...bama is in. There are other fans that see the SEC as a bunch of cheating
football programs with loudmouth, arrogant fans. Who do the voters play to?
Should Be Interesting. Guess We'll Have To Wait 'Til Tonite To Find Out.
I'd say you have 80% bama - 20 % Oklahoma State. It should come down to how the voters want to be seen.
Do they want to be seen as realistic consumers of football or as accountants and arbiters of fairness across
the national spectrum. Most fans of brutal, power football that want to see the pure game played at the
highest level see it as a no-brainer...bama is in. There are other fans that see the SEC as a bunch of cheating
football programs with loudmouth, arrogant fans. Who do the voters play to?
That is so insulting and the exact arrogance you recognize..... You assume if people do not agree with you, they don't know the game.....
:rolleyes:
Huh? I just provided MY estimate in addition to Greg's. I do not mean to infer that his is incorrect, not at all.
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I gave my reasoning and my analysis. Never once
did I even intimate that I was right and someone else was wrong. In fact, i don't even have a problem with
being WRONG here. I do not want bama in that game, but I am in a minority, especially here. Me wanting them
out and giving reasons why I think they should be out will in fact likely LEAD to me being wrong in this case.
EJ, who do you think is better than Alabama and LSU? You talk about not having a dog in the hunt,
but you clearly stated in your analysis that all this talk about them being the two best teams in the USA is crap.
With no SEC bias from me outside the fact that I pull for LSU, I think it is fairly clear that the two best teams
in the USA are bama and LSU. You are right in saying "that's why they play the games" because there has been nothing
but top dogs falling all season long. But I am not sure what you are thinking. You call my statements arrogant, but
to me it seems that your reasoning is that I think I know it all, or that I think that LSU and bama are the best there are.
Is it going to take LSU ripping OK state apart to prove to you that they are dominant? Because as you know, bama is not
going to be allowed to play OK state or USC or Stanford for the Nat. Champ. It's LSU and somebody. But if you put LSU
and bama head to head for it all, you are going to see two great teams once again basically tie. What I guess you want,
and I find reasonable, is both "top teams" playing a non-SEC powerhouse in two bowls and removing their organs. Basically two
national championship games. I AM a SEC fan, no doubt, but that's not why I think the way I do. I have looked
EVERYWHERE for a team that I thought could go for 60 minutes with either one of the two SEC dominators and
come out on top, and I do not think such a team exists. Again, I would hate to see LSU-bama in the end. It's not fair
to LSU or the rest of the NCAA. But GET a dog in the hunt, WHO do you think can beat either one?
And USC is not eligible, not from what I think but for what they got caught doing, so let's not go there...no hypotheticals.
Brad, to me that read "If the voters want a real football game, looking at this with their eyes wide open, it is a no brainer, LSU vs Alabama. If the voters want to appease fans of other conferences, squinting into thinking there is a team as good as either Alabama or LSU. Maybe giving some backlash to the "SEC, SEC, SEC" group think, then maybe they'll vote someone else gets in.":r:r
Apparently I am reading into the comments way too much, I apologize.
EJ, who do you think is better than Alabama and LSU? You talk about not having a dog in the hunt,
but you clearly stated in your analysis that all this talk about them being the two best teams in the USA is crap.
With no SEC bias from me outside the fact that I pull for LSU, I think it is fairly clear that the two best teams
in the USA are bama and LSU. You are right in saying "that's why they play the games" because there has been nothing
but top dogs falling all season long. But I am not sure what you are thinking. You call my statements arrogant, but
to me it seems that your reasoning is that I think I know it all, or that I think that LSU and bama are the best there are.
Is it going to take LSU ripping OK state apart to prove to you that they are dominant? Because as you know, bama is not
going to be allowed to play OK state or USC or Stanford for the Nat. Champ. It's LSU and somebody. But if you put LSU
and bama head to head for it all, you are going to see two great teams once again basically tie. What I guess you want,
and I find reasonable, is both "top teams" playing a non-SEC powerhouse in two bowls and removing their organs. Basically two
national championship games. I AM a SEC fan, no doubt, but that's not why I think the way I do. I have looked
EVERYWHERE for a team that I thought could go for 60 minutes with either one of the two SEC dominators and
come out on top, and I do not think such a team exists. Again, I would hate to see LSU-bama in the end. It's not fair
to LSU or the rest of the NCAA. But GET a dog in the hunt, WHO do you think can beat either one?
And USC is not eligible, not from what I think but for what they got caught doing, so let's not go there...no hypotheticals.
Alabama is a great team, there is no doubt about that. But I cannot honestly say that I think Alabama is better than Oklahoma State, nor can I say that I think that Oklahoma State is better than Alabama. Hell, I couldn't say it about USC over either of them either(if they could play).... Hell, I didn't think OSU would go blow the pants off OU last night....it is why we play these games.
I don't bring in the PAC12 because Stanford didn't win it and Oregon already lost to LSU... I will also not bring into the discussion 2 loss teams, if everyone was 2 loss, but 'Bama....a rematch would be okay.
Things I do know. I know Alabama had their shot, at home, and lost...and IMO, with other deserving teams(I think OSU is one), they should not get a do-over. The regular season is the playoff we have in football.
Again, I think LSU is the cream of the crop and I don't think anyone will beat them....but they have to play the game and someone else should be given the chance.
Am late to go herf.....but have more thoughts.....
YOU are arrogant sir!!! You know how I know?? I agree with everything you say, lol. :r
I want to see LSU-OK St. in the Champ. and Alabama vs Boise/Stanford in some other bowl.
At the risk of acting like I am teaching people football/BCS, I will say that I know this because
in the end, it's all about the money. Fox would step in and say "Hold it, you give us LSU and Bama
in two DIFFERENT games and I will show you two blockbuster ratings creators. Without that, ehh,
who knows what people will watch." What you want to do with the results (co-champs etc) is up to you.
FOLLOW THE MONEY this time around, boys..
YOU are arrogant sir!!! You know how I know?? I agree with everything you say, lol. :r
My Man.....:tu
I hate Craig James, but he's right.....
longknocker
12-04-2011, 06:47 PM
Done Deal. LSU-BAMA! Bring It On! :banger
Powers
12-04-2011, 06:50 PM
I'm excited :tu
I guess the only way to have an SEC team lose in the national title game is to have two of 'em play each other
longknocker
12-04-2011, 06:53 PM
I'm excited :tu
I guess the only way to have an SEC team lose in the national title game is to have two of 'em play each other
Good Point, Mike! :tu Think I'll Smoke A Padron'26 To Celebrate! Roll, Tide! :D
SvilleKid
12-04-2011, 07:31 PM
I'm excited :tu
I guess the only way to have an SEC team lose in the national title game is to have two of 'em play each other
And now, the Big 10 doesn't have to worry about looking like weaklings in another national championship game against the SEC!!
I have to disagree strongly with what the OkSt coach said about what the fans want to see. He said something to the tune that the fans want to see a 36-35 National championship game, not a 6-3 game. If Oklahoma State played LSU in the game, it would be a 45-3 game (LSU winning), not a 36-35 game!!! What was he thinking about!!:D
longknocker
12-04-2011, 07:34 PM
And now, the Big 10 doesn't have to worry about looking like weaklings in another national championship game against the SEC!!
I have to disagree strongly with what the OkSt coach said about what the fans want to see. He said something to the tune that the fans want to see a 36-35 National championship game, not a 6-3 game. What was he thinking??? If Oklahoma State played LSU in the game, it would be a 45-3 game (LSU winning), not a 36-35 game!!! What was he thinking about!!:D
True! :D
And now, the Big 10 doesn't have to worry about looking like weaklings in another national championship game against the SEC!!
I have to disagree strongly with what the OkSt coach said about what the fans want to see. He said something to the tune that the fans want to see a 36-35 National championship game, not a 6-3 game. If Oklahoma State played LSU in the game, it would be a 45-3 game (LSU winning), not a 36-35 game!!! What was he thinking about!!:D
The Big10 was never considered as far as a BCS Championship Game participant.....:rolleyes:
See....SEC...SEC...SEC.....:r
SvilleKid
12-04-2011, 08:41 PM
The Big10 was never considered as far as a BCS Championship Game participant.....:rolleyes:
See....SEC...SEC...SEC.....:r
I know that.... Duh... But the point is made as stated!!! It could also apply to the OkSt, but the Big Ten was in that situation several times in the past several years. Which WAS the point. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I know that.... Duh... But the point is made as stated!!! It could also apply to the OkSt, but the Big Ten was in that situation several times in the past several years. Which WAS the point. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????:confused:
SEC....SEC....SEC....
ninjavanish
12-04-2011, 08:52 PM
So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????:confused:
SEC....SEC....SEC....
I think the point is that the Big Ten is irrelevant.
I think the point is that the Big Ten is irrelevant.
I can agree with that.... Though I honestly believe that Urban Meyer will change that quickly, to my dismay....
ninjavanish
12-04-2011, 09:05 PM
I can agree with that.... Though I honestly believe that Urban Meyer will change that quickly, to my dismay....
Well, I think that may be a good thing for the NCAA as a whole... assuming he is successful.
The thing to take away from today's selection is that there's obviously a struggle for all other conferences to have relevancy against the dominance of the SEC lately. (And to all of you nay-sayers, it doesn't matter at this point, the chips have fallen and make no mistake, there WILL BE a national champion from the SEC this season)
So for those who want to see more than one conference playing for the title... having someone like Urban Meyer go into the Big Ten is not a bad thing. However, I think there are plenty of great coaches outside the SEC. For the SEC, it's a chance to prove (or further prove) that it's perhaps not the coaches that make the difference, but our culture.
Christ, you SEC, SEC, SEC guys act like you have had a grip hold on College football for decades....:rolleyes:
You're on a Hell or a roll, no doubt. But your arrogance over a little roll is amusing at best and irritating at worst....
Tides will turn, they always do.... Enjoy it.
ninjavanish
12-04-2011, 09:28 PM
Christ, you SEC, SEC, SEC guys act like you have had a grip hold on College football for decades....:rolleyes:
You're on a Hell or a roll, no doubt. But your arrogance over a little roll is amusing at best and irritating at worst....
Tides will turn, they always do.... Enjoy it.
Simply stating that the SEC has had a dominant role in the NCAA for the past few years makes me neither arrogant, or incorrect.
Simply stating that the SEC has had a dominant role in the NCAA for the past few years makes me neither arrogant, or incorrect.
Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....:r:r:r
ninjavanish
12-04-2011, 10:10 PM
Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....:r:r:r
Not sure I'm following you here, what are you trying to say?
SvilleKid
12-05-2011, 05:46 AM
So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????:confused:
SEC....SEC....SEC....
Bye bye! Already have one ignored one on this thread. Let's just make it two. Don't argue with him, Ninja. He is just like Another here in that he wants to argue just to argue. Not worth the trouble. Arguing just to be arguing.
So you were just bringing up 2007(Jan 2008)....4 years ago, the last time it was relevant?????:confused:
Just ignore him. He hasn't been rational for weeks. He only has new life now on the news that his team
is up for another butt-whippin in a month. It really is hilarious to watch. They don't recognize themselves
in the mirror. They ignore me and call me irrational because I cheer for the Purple and Gold and believed
them to be the best team in the country from week 1. Now in week 14, when no one in the country can
argue, they simply choose to tune it all out..lalala, lalala. 2nd place in the country just isn't good enough
when they are behind the cretins of LSU. Now for a month it's going to be "oh, you'll see, you guys escaped
with a narrow victory but WE were really the best team." Then they come into New Orleans and get it AGAIN.
MUCH longer ride home for contemplation this second time, boys.
But like I said, a mirror. Fan is abbreviation for fanatic. You folks are no better or worse than me. So for
the one that speaks in code, it has to be about character of the players. ONE character-istic we have that
will show itself is skillz.
What's worst about the post above is how he characterizes arguing here. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE BCS
has there been as much to argue about, plenty of opportunity for lively discussion and good-natured ribbing. But again,
it's lalala, lalala, I can't hear you. They feel preyed upon by me because I argue and contest, it's SO completely
weak. If this was the other way around, it would likely be different. They would be contesting points and making
their arguments. It's like it's ONLY fun one way for them. Weak. Greg Longknocker at least plays along. But they
turn the best cigar forum in the world into what would appear to be every other forum on the net by their lack of any
sense of what is good-natured ribbing and what is not. I get worked up about it too, but I don't pick up my ball
and go home and pout. When this was LSU and FLA, they all played along and had "fun". What is it about
this one group in particular? Is it the start of the season and your own belief that THIS was going to be the year
for the Tide? Did Auburn's championship wound in some way that has set you against the world so firmly. I know,
you say no, it's just LSU (fans) we hate, and you are a perfect example. BS. That's how you COVER IT up. But
that's not IT. Weak. Of course one or more of them won't see this, cause they ignore me. It's college sports,
get over it. That's what this thread is FOR, arguing, discussing, bantering, joshing, betting......weak.
Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....:r:r:r
I understand your point, fine, EJ, but I would say one thing from the heart, though, and the word 'compete'
is where I differ with you. The Cowboys can't 'compete' with LSU in the strictest sense of the word,
it's just a foregone drubbing, in my SEC-minded opinion. But I 'argued' long and hard here that they
deserved the right to HAVE their a$$ whipped in public due to their valorous effort against Oklahoma
and the fact that everything but the ethereal computer formulae showed they were a better alternative
than a rematch of two teams likely to bore the US to death on championship night. I AM A HOMER, so you
can argue that the Cowboys might well win in NO, but now we will never get to know. EVEN MY valid argument
that the better option would have been for the two "top" teams to play a 3 and a 4 would have made MUCH
better television can't save us from the system we have in place and the game we will be forced to watch.
But I don't think Standord, OK St, Houston, Southern Miss, Boise St..none of em could beat LSU or Bama.
But it'd be nice to give them the shot I think they deserve. And WTF happened with Boise St???
Las Vegas Bowl???? weak.
Bye bye! Already have one ignored one on this thread. Let's just make it two. Don't argue with him, Ninja. He is just like Another here in that he wants to argue just to argue. Not worth the trouble. Arguing just to be arguing.
So that is how it works.....:r Personally, I thought I came in here with some good discussion, some numbers to back up my point/thoughts ect.... If I appear to be arguing just to argue, that was not the intent. Admittedly, the response to you had no point, other than to point out you were talking rubbish. What, you've brought up "the BIG10" and then "asking others not to play with the guy that doesn't think like you do....that will make him go away" Honestly, from what I have seen from you so far, it may be best if you did just ignore me.... It seems pretty clear that you'd probably be out of your league....so to speak.... ;)
The thing to take away from today's selection is that there's obviously a struggle for all other conferences to have relevancy against the dominance of the SEC lately. (And to all of you nay-sayers, it doesn't matter at this point, the chips have fallen and make no mistake, there WILL BE a national champion from the SEC this season)
Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....:r:r:r
Not sure I'm following you here, what are you trying to say?
The highlighted in red was what I was responding to.
I understand your point, fine, EJ, but I would say one thing from the heart, though, and the word 'compete'
is where I differ with you. The Cowboys can't 'compete' with LSU in the strictest sense of the word,
it's just a foregone drubbing, in my SEC-minded opinion. But I 'argued' long and hard here that they
deserved the right to HAVE their a$$ whipped in public due to their valorous effort against Oklahoma
and the fact that everything but the ethereal computer formulae showed they were a better alternative
than a rematch of two teams likely to bore the US to death on championship night. I AM A HOMER, so you
can argue that the Cowboys might well win in NO, but now we will never get to know. EVEN MY valid argument
that the better option would have been for the two "top" teams to play a 3 and a 4 would have made MUCH
better television can't save us from the system we have in place and the game we will be forced to watch.
But I don't think Standord, OK St, Houston, Southern Miss, Boise St..none of em could beat LSU or Bama.
But it'd be nice to give them the shot I think they deserve. And WTF happened with Boise St???
Las Vegas Bowl???? weak.
Brad,
I went to the BCS thread to play....we can continue over there, including my responding to this post. It is apparent that since I don't have the group think, my thoughts are not welcome here....:r:r:r (If I could put into words how much amusement that brings me, it would lighten all your hearts)
rizzle
12-05-2011, 09:02 AM
What's worst about the post above is how he characterizes arguing here. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE BCS
has there been as much to argue about, plenty of opportunity for lively discussion and good-natured ribbing. But again,
it's lalala, lalala, I can't hear you. They feel preyed upon by me because I argue and contest, it's SO completely
weak. If this was the other way around, it would likely be different. They would be contesting points and making
their arguments. It's like it's ONLY fun one way for them. Weak. Greg Longknocker at least plays along. But they
turn the best cigar forum in the world into what would appear to be every other forum on the net by their lack of any
sense of what is good-natured ribbing and what is not. I get worked up about it too, but I don't pick up my ball
and go home and pout. When this was LSU and FLA, they all played along and had "fun". What is it about
this one group in particular? Is it the start of the season and your own belief that THIS was going to be the year
for the Tide? Did Auburn's championship wound in some way that has set you against the world so firmly. I know,
you say no, it's just LSU (fans) we hate, and you are a perfect example. BS. That's how you COVER IT up. But
that's not IT. Weak. Of course one or more of them won't see this, cause they ignore me. It's college sports,
get over it. That's what this thread is FOR, arguing, discussing, bantering, joshing, betting......weak.
Is they, me?
ninjavanish
12-05-2011, 10:18 AM
The highlighted in red was what I was responding to.
The thing to take away from today's selection is that there's obviously a struggle for all other conferences to have relevancy against the dominance of the SEC lately.
Okay...yes, I can see how all other conferences having relevance or even trying to compete, well....there should probably be the SEC....SEC....SEC....and then D2.....
I understand what your response was in regards to. It's the content of your reply that I'm not following you on. Is it to refute the dominance of the SEC in recent years? Or are you saying that all other conferences should be relegated to playing in Division II? That's where I'm confused.
SvilleKid
12-05-2011, 07:46 PM
Jeremy..... As we discussed, I went back and did a little research. In the weeks that they played.... Per Coach's poll: Both Bama and Oklahoma State played 4 Top-25 ranked teams each. Alabama played against 20, 12, 12 and # 1 ranked teams. Ok St played a 8, 21, 12 and 11. These were using the Coaches poll placement at the start of each game.
So, AT THE TIME of each game, both Bama and Ok St each played four top 25 ranked teams. And Ok St only played the fourth ranked team because of their conference championship game.
Bama lost to undefeated No. 1 ranked LSU at the time of the loss. Ok St lost to un-ranked Iowa State, who had a record of 5-4 going into the game. Just thought you'd find the data interesting, and sets record straight as to how many "ranked" teams each of these two played.
ninjavanish
12-05-2011, 08:11 PM
Jeremy..... As we discussed, I went back and did a little research. In the weeks that they played.... Per Coach's poll: Both Bama and Oklahoma State played 4 Top-25 ranked teams each. Alabama played against 20, 12, 12 and # 1 ranked teams. Ok St played a 8, 21, 12 and 11. These were using the Coaches poll placement at the start of each game.
So, AT THE TIME of each game, both Bama and Ok St each played four top 25 ranked teams. And Ok St only played the fourth ranked team because of their conference championship game.
Bama lost to undefeated No. 1 ranked LSU at the time of the loss. Ok St lost to un-ranked Iowa State, who had a record of 5-4 going into the game. Just thought you'd find the data interesting, and sets record straight as to how many "ranked" teams each of these two played.
Doesn't matter too much either way.
This whole BCS argument that's been raging here spurs a very old memory of mine:
When I was a kid, like 6-7 years old, I did not like even the thought of getting shots/immunizations. I would kick and scream and pitch a holy fit. But you know what happened in the end? Big people held me down and I got the shot anyway. Just saying... seems relevant here.
Smokin Gator
12-06-2011, 04:57 AM
Doesn't matter too much either way.
This whole BCS argument that's been raging here spurs a very old memory of mine:
When I was a kid, like 6-7 years old, I did not like even the thought of getting shots/immunizations. I would kick and scream and pitch a holy fit. But you know what happened in the end? Big people held me down and I got the shot anyway. Just saying... seems relevant here.
:r:r:r
Is they, me?
They indicates more than one.
Brad,
I went to the BCS thread to play....we can continue over there, including my responding to this post. It is apparent that since I don't have the group think, my thoughts are not welcome here
Don't worry, 'they' will follow you, lol. Until you agree with them, they will hound you...or I will hound them for the same reason.
.....................................
I was right, they did follow you, hahaha.
Jeremy..... As we discussed, I went back and did a little research. In the weeks that they played.... Per Coach's poll: Both Bama and Oklahoma State played 4 Top-25 ranked teams each. Alabama played against 20, 12, 12 and # 1 ranked teams. Ok St played a 8, 21, 12 and 11. These were using the Coaches poll placement at the start of each game.
So, AT THE TIME of each game, both Bama and Ok St each played four top 25 ranked teams. And Ok St only played the fourth ranked team because of their conference championship game.
This is a pretty weak argument. This is like saying I am 30 years old because I used to be 30.
Teams like Florida were ranked on expectations near the beginning of the season and beat teams
that everyone else beat soundly up to that point and for the rest of the year. UT couldn't catch
a break and people ranked UF highly on expectations and pity it seemed like until people just realized they
were NOT a standard Florida team. Bama played two good SEC teams and 6 pushover SEC teams and
3 NC pushovers. Vandy played better than they have in decades but still didn't have enough juice
to be called a big threat to Alabama.
This is not me saying bama sucks, LSU is No.1, this is me saying if you are going to stand up and say bama
should be playing LSU and NOT OK St., then at least use some kind of real numbers. And if you are going
to throw in "OK St. only played the 4th team because of the conference championship game, then say that
in front of a mirror first and listen to how it sounds. Bama didn't win it's division OR conference championship.
I'd call the Uof OK win a HELL of a win and a HELL of a factor.
Of course your point could be that they got an extra game to rack up a top 25 win, Bama didn't...
but you PLAY HARD AND TAKE a berth in the conf champ, you don't get handed free stuff
cause 'this is your year'. ---edit--- and I understand your point, but this is a mid-season point,
this shouldn't be allowed at season's end. It's fun to look back and make notes and gather data
but this is hardly useful at this late date. To make my point, the computer rankings for the title
week compilation likely do NOT take any of this into consideration. This is just like the RPI, if
Memphis beats Tennessee in Basketball and UT is ranked #2 pre-season, Memphis has to PRAY
that they keep being awesome or their RPI plummets when they get shown for what they really are.
rizzle
12-06-2011, 07:55 AM
They indicates more than one.
Well, I thought about it, and I can't let you have all the fun. Plus, I learn a lot from you. I'll see if I can round up the others for story time.
No need, I was simply answering your question. I guess you are not one of the ones ignoring me, lol.
Stephen
12-06-2011, 09:41 AM
And Ok St only played the fourth ranked team because of their conference championship game.
Don't mean to interrupt your homering, but the Big XII doesn't have a Conference Championship game. Bedlam's been played for over a 100 years now. Carry on.:tu
Stephen
12-06-2011, 09:48 AM
So for those who want to see more than one conference playing for the title... having someone like Urban Meyer go into the Big Ten is not a bad thing. However, I think there are plenty of great coaches outside the SEC. For the SEC, it's a chance to prove (or further prove) that it's perhaps not the coaches that make the difference, but our culture.
Pray tell, where was that, "culture" prior to Nick Saban becoming the head coach at Alabama (or LSU for that matter)? Further, where's the, "culture" now at Florida without Urban Meyer? Is all the, "culture" dried up in Knoxville, too?
rizzle
12-06-2011, 09:58 AM
Pray tell, where was that, "culture" prior to Nick Saban becoming the head coach at Alabama (or LSU for that matter)? Further, where's the, "culture" now at Florida without Urban Meyer? Is all the, "culture" dried up in Knoxville, too?
Culture? You know we're a bunch of inbred hicks. We ain't never had no culturing. :r
ninjavanish
12-06-2011, 10:12 AM
Pray tell, where was that, "culture" prior to Nick Saban becoming the head coach at Alabama (or LSU for that matter)? Further, where's the, "culture" now at Florida without Urban Meyer? Is all the, "culture" dried up in Knoxville, too?
Stephen, I think you misunderstand my statement. The point that was being made is there are plenty of great coaches outside of the SEC. And I think that Urban Meyer is a prime example of a great coach that doesn't matter where he goes, will impact a team, conference and potentially all of college football. The distinction I was trying to make however is that perhaps there is more to winning championships than simply having a good head coach. (Ahem, Charlie Weiss, Dennis Erickson, Dave Wandstedt, the list goes on.)
As to the culture of the Southeastern US, football is an integral part of it. It is woven into the fabric of our existence nearly from birth in most states below the Mason-Dixon line (Sometimes even from CONCEPTION. I for one have seen baby nurseries painted in team color).
I won't speak for the cultures of Louisiana, Florida or Tennessee, but as for the football culture in the state Alabama, I think anyone who has ever worn Crimson and White or Burnt Orange and Blue would happily inform you about said culture. (I'm sure even our Division II Team from UNA in Florence, AL might have some input, or perhaps Troy University further south) However, being a subjective matter and one of personal taste I will leave that up to you to figure out. I however will simply say you'd be fooling yourself to think that the culture of football in Alabama is predicated by the arrival of Nick Saban, or even Gene Chizik for that matter.
Powers
12-06-2011, 10:23 AM
Stephen, I think you misunderstand my statement. The point that was being made is there are plenty of great coaches outside of the SEC. And I think that Urban Meyer is a prime example of a great coach that doesn't matter where he goes, will impact a team, conference and potentially all of college football. The distinction I was trying to make however is that perhaps there is more to winning championships than simply having a good head coach. (Ahem, Charlie Weiss, Dennis Erickson, Dave Wandstedt, the list goes on.)
As to the culture of the Southeastern US, football is an integral part of it. It is woven into the fabric of our existence nearly from birth in most states below the Mason-Dixon line (Sometimes even from CONCEPTION. I for one have seen baby nurseries painted in team color).
I won't speak for the cultures of Louisiana, Florida or Tennessee, but as for the football culture in the state Alabama, I think anyone who has ever worn Crimson and White or Burnt Orange and Blue would happily inform you about said culture. (I'm sure even our Division II Team from UNA in Florence, AL might have some input, or perhaps Troy University further south) However, being a subjective matter and one of personal taste I will leave that up to you to figure out. I however will simply say you'd be fooling yourself to think that the culture of football in Alabama is predicated by the arrival of Nick Saban, or even Gene Chizik for that matter.
I said exactly the same thing in so many words over on the BCS thread at nearly the same time in response to another question :tu
Stephen
12-06-2011, 11:05 AM
Stephen, I think you misunderstand my statement. The point that was being made is there are plenty of great coaches outside of the SEC. And I think that Urban Meyer is a prime example of a great coach that doesn't matter where he goes, will impact a team, conference and potentially all of college football. The distinction I was trying to make however is that perhaps there is more to winning championships than simply having a good head coach. (Ahem, Charlie Weiss, Dennis Erickson, Dave Wandstedt, the list goes on.)
As to the culture of the Southeastern US, football is an integral part of it. It is woven into the fabric of our existence nearly from birth in most states below the Mason-Dixon line (Sometimes even from CONCEPTION. I for one have seen baby nurseries painted in team color).
I won't speak for the cultures of Louisiana, Florida or Tennessee, but as for the football culture in the state Alabama, I think anyone who has ever worn Crimson and White or Burnt Orange and Blue would happily inform you about said culture. (I'm sure even our Division II Team from UNA in Florence, AL might have some input, or perhaps Troy University further south) However, being a subjective matter and one of personal taste I will leave that up to you to figure out. I however will simply say you'd be fooling yourself to think that the culture of football in Alabama is predicated by the arrival of Nick Saban, or even Gene Chizik for that matter.
Framed within the context of your statement, I am talking about culture = victories and/or Championships. Sure, the dyed-in-the-wool fanbases go back generations. The winning, however, doesn't happen until the program acquires a top flight coach that in turn brings in top flight talent. How many times have we seen this happen over the last 15 years in college football? USC was floundering before Carroll, Oklahoma before Stoops, Texas before Brown, LSU and Alabama before Saban.
I however will simply say you'd be fooling yourself to think that the culture of football in Alabama is predicated by the arrival of Nick Saban, or even Gene Chizik for that matter.
I know you are not HE, but there was another diehard homer in this thread that said quite the opposite.
Nick Saban was brought in to completely change the culture of Alabama football from one of losing and
scandal to one of winning and goodness and character. I only remember it because while he was forcing
that down my throat, he was calling my preferred team a bunch of criminals and thugs that he predicted
"would turn out as losers in life." ---edit---and were a stain on the SEC, the 2011 season, and any hopes
we might have of him watching either the championship game or the NCG in February. (eyeroll)
Pray tell, where was that, "culture" prior to Nick Saban becoming the head coach at Alabama (or LSU for that matter)?
Odd that you would highlight those two teams, and especially LSU. LSU and Bama have had one
thing without a doubt for WELL over a century, and that is that no matter how bad the teams were losing,
they never failed to sell out their venues. In LA there IS a culture. Not only do we compete on very
even turf against FL and TX for best football players in the country, but our fans never give up.
The Saints were, as Howard Cosell once put it on Monday Night Football as I sat and watched,
the 'galvanized garbage can of the N--F--L...", and their fans NEVER gave up being behind the team.
Even the AINTS bagheads displayed their bags from fairly good seats in the dome.
You can't win a football culture argument in Louisiana. I will let the Crimson Elephants defend their own
team, because they don't listen to me anyway.
Stephen
12-06-2011, 11:56 AM
Odd that you would highlight those two teams, and especially LSU. LSU and Bama have had one
thing without a doubt for WELL over a century, and that is that no matter how bad the teams were losing,
they never failed to sell out their venues. In LA there IS a culture. Not only do we compete on very
even turf against FL and TX for best football players in the country, but our fans never give up.
The Saints were, as Howard Cosell once put it on Monday Night Football as I sat and watched,
the 'galvanized garbage can of the N--F--L...", and their fans NEVER gave up being behind the team.
Even the AINTS bagheads displayed their bags from fairly good seats in the dome.
You can't win a football culture argument in Louisiana. I will let the Crimson Elephants defend their own
team, because they don't listen to me anyway.
I'm talking about the culture of winning, Brad. Rabid fandom has always run rampant in places that we're discussing. My argument, however, is that this, "culture" doesn't manifest itself in the win column like ninjavanish put forth, especially in lieu of a good/great coach (because with good coaches come good recruits).For the SEC, it's a chance to prove (or further prove) that it's perhaps not the coaches that make the difference, but our culture.
SvilleKid
12-06-2011, 01:35 PM
An interesting, historical perspective!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/video/ncaaf_video/2011/12/04/120411.staples_bcs.SportsIllustrated/index.html
Powers
12-06-2011, 02:05 PM
I'm talking about the culture of winning, Brad. Rabid fandom has always run rampant in places that we're discussing. My argument, however, is that this, "culture" doesn't manifest itself in the win column like ninjavanish put forth, especially in lieu of a good/great coach (because with good coaches come good recruits).
I think what Ninjavanish perhaps is arguing, and that I would as well, is that the culture of the SEC is directly correlated to schools getting good coaches, which then bring in good recruits and win. It is the culture of SEC schools and their fans to set such high standards and demands that a coaching carosel ensues into a winner is found.
Take Arkansas, Florida and South Carolina for example. They each have had a long history of mediocrity at some point in their program's past. Yet the culture of football in these regions still demanded better play/coaching until they stumbled upon or hired one.
This doesn't stem originally from a tradition of winning, but from something more intrinsic. Once these schools have a taste of winning, however, then you get even higher expectations.
For what it's worth, thats how I perceive how SEC culture shapes programs :2
SvilleKid
12-06-2011, 02:06 PM
Well, I have to agree with Brad (can only see his post because of a quote). But he is 100% correct, and 100% got what Jeremy was referring to about our culture of football.
That culture is built from the ground up, from pee-wee thru high school and in our colleges. Let's pick another school, if it appears that we are zeroing in on only Bama and LSU. Tennessee. MY GOD! Have they suffered problems over the last decade or more (including coach issues)!! That doesn't stop them from filling their HUGE stadium! Or supporting their team. My wife worked in Knoxville last football season. Every Saturday of a home game, that town was full, and rocking! How about Vandy??? They are always the butt of jokes, but they are still well supported every year and always strive to win games. Kentucky, known for basketball, still competes with intense rivalries. The same can be said for Ole Miss, Miss State, UNA, Georgia Southern, South Carolina, Florida, UAB and on and on.
The south DOES NOT (currently) support youth teams very much in anything other than football, and baseball. No hockey, some basketball, but nowhere near as deeply as football. Some soccer (more now than when Ninja was in school, bit still very small percentages). From 6 years old (and younger), they thrive on FOOTBALL. I have a 9 year old nephew that I would easily put up against Brad or E.J. in terms of football knowledge and savvy. He beats me hands down. And he isn't alone, by any means. Football, probably more so than any other sport is lived and breathed from the womb to the grave as THE main sport in the south. Is it the lack of other sports played? Is it a culture thing that allows us to battle each other on a field instead of in the hollows and dells with guns?? Who can say. But it IS a culture of the sport. The coaches come and go. The players come and go. The awards and Championships come and go. But maybe they come more often because it is deeply supported and enjoyed. That is football culture! That is the "culture of football" that Jeremy is referring to. And that culture falls all the way down to the pee-wee level. Go to any Bama (and Louisiana) high school football game and tell them it is only about having winning coaches and programs! Good luck with that!!
And to top it all off, in support of the culture...... Was there any other conference thread on the forum with this much fervor?? I think not.
ninjavanish
12-06-2011, 02:31 PM
Framed within the context of your statement, I am talking about culture = victories and/or Championships. Sure, the dyed-in-the-wool fanbases go back generations. The winning, however, doesn't happen until the program acquires a top flight coach that in turn brings in top flight talent. How many times have we seen this happen over the last 15 years in college football? USC was floundering before Carroll, Oklahoma before Stoops, Texas before Brown, LSU and Alabama before Saban.
I'm talking about the culture of winning, Brad. Rabid fandom has always run rampant in places that we're discussing. My argument, however, is that this, "culture" doesn't manifest itself in the win column like ninjavanish put forth, especially in lieu of a good/great coach (because with good coaches come good recruits).
Stephen, it seems your argument preculdes itself. Because without the support of "dyed-in-the-wool fanbases", alumni, and monetary boosters, no such a top flight coach would employed (or employed for long) by a school and therefore the top flight talent you speak of would not follow as you detailed. I'm sorry my friend, but this sport starts with the support of the fans, and it is from those basic building blocks that championship teams are born. Ticket sales, donations and booster money are what draw coaches, top flight players, and championships. All pieces of the puzzle are important and it takes "the perfect storm", if you will, of all of them at once: broad fanbase, talented coaches, and talented players to cultivate a championship. But no piece is more integral to that equation as the culture of football within a given fanbase. Again, I think that you would be fooling yourself to think that the culture of football is predicated by the arrival of ANY coach ANYwhere. The flames of support may be fanned so to speak, but regardless, the fire comes from the so-called "rabid fandom". It is predicated on the fans supporting football. The arrival of a great coach or a top flight player or a championship is the direct result of the football culture of the region/area of interest. A coach may inspire a fanbase with great wins, and great players may endear themselves with memorable plays and performances, but they are all lost without the fans.
In each of the schools you mentioned above, it was not some invisible force that propelled those schools to hire great coaches. It was the desire in the fanbase (born through their football culture) to see the once great teams return to greatness.
ninjavanish
12-06-2011, 03:10 PM
Stephen, it seems your argument preculdes itself. Because without the support of "dyed-in-the-wool fanbases", alumni, and monetary boosters, no such a top flight coach would employed (or employed for long) by a school and therefore the top flight talent you speak of would not follow as you detailed. I'm sorry my friend, but this sport starts with the support of the fans, and it is from those basic building blocks that championship teams are born. Ticket sales, donations and booster money are what draw coaches, top flight players, and championships. All pieces of the puzzle are important and it takes "the perfect storm", if you will, of all of them at once: broad fanbase, talented coaches, and talented players to cultivate a championship. But no piece is more integral to that equation as the culture of football within a given fanbase. Again, I think that you would be fooling yourself to think that the culture of football is predicated by the arrival of ANY coach ANYwhere. The flames of support may be fanned so to speak, but regardless, the fire comes from the so-called "rabid fandom". It is predicated on the fans supporting football. The arrival of a great coach or a top flight player or a championship is the direct result of the football culture of the region/area of interest. A coach may inspire a fanbase with great wins, and great players may endear themselves with memorable plays and performances, but they are all lost without the fans.
In each of the schools you mentioned above, it was not some invisible force that propelled those schools to hire great coaches. It was the desire in the fanbase (born through their football culture) to see the once great teams return to greatness.
Wow, reading over this post again later, IT IS SO REDUNDANT.
Sorry about that.
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