stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet

[Kreth]

Kreth thinks this thread is much more amusing than one from a B&M.

[Starscream]

Andysutherland agrees. That means that the internet must be better than the b&m.:tu

[Cigarcop]

This is turning into a Seinfeld episode:dance:

[pnoon]

A thread about nothing?

:r

[14holestogie]

A thread about nothing?

:r

We have a winner! Tell him what he's won! :r

[Kreth]

We have a winner! Tell him what he's won! :r

Um... nothing? :r

[Hardcz]

A thread about nothing?

:r


Hardcz didn't say it....

Though he was wondering how long this would go on...

[pnoon]

Hardcz didn't say it....

Though he was wondering how long this would go on...

What? You want me to caputo the thread?

[taltos]

We have a winner! Tell him what he's won! :rA box of Nubs and 3 Cremosas!:wo

[ahc4353]

This is all my fault.

MCS

Awwwww muffin, no it's not.

[md4958]

What? You want me to caputo the thread?

:r:r:r:r:r

I only wish I had the use of more images so I could adequately describe how hard i laughed when I read that!

Hilarious Peter!!

[md4958]

"you must spread around some reputation before giving it to pnoon again"

[MajorCaptSilly]

Awwwww muffin, no it's not.

You're not supposed to call me muffin in front of the guys!!

MCS

P.S. Smootches

[Legend]

Andysutherland agrees. That means that the internet must be better than the b&m.:tu

I don't know, this thread would take a lot less time and probably be funnier at a B&M

:r

[ahc4353]

Depends on who was at the B&M.

[Starscream]

I don't know, this thread would take a lot less time and probably be funnier at a B&M

:r

andysutherland might agree with this statement.

[chippewastud79]

I don't know, this thread would take a lot less time and probably be funnier at a B&M

:r

Well atleast your boys at the B+M would know the difference and agree with you 100% of the time. :tu

[yourchoice]

pnoon thinks this thread has gone way past its shelf life.
:2

yourchoice has statistically proven that 99.999998% of inmates agree.

[Legend]

Well atleast your boys at the B+M would know the difference and agree with you 100% of the time. :tu

not on everything:tu

[Whee]

"you must spread around some reputation before giving it to pnoon again"


illinoishoosier has covered the reputation bumpage.

illinoishoosier wonders how many cans of Alpo will we make out of this dead horse?:wo

[shilala]

This should clear up the percentage debate:


This should turn the whole thread in a direction that doesn't suck, cause Hockey kicks ass.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2031/linknd8.gif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo0rJC5t-o)

[icehog3]

I make myself giggle like a little girl.

icehog is trying to keep his lunch down. :r

This should turn the whole thread in a direction that doesn't suck, cause Hockey kicks ass.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2031/linknd8.gif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo0rJC5t-o)

Love that clip! :tu

[Legend]

illinoishoosier has covered the reputation bumpage.

illinoishoosier wonders how many cans of Alpo will we make out of this dead horse?:wo

I don't see the positive bump from you for me? WTH???!??!?!?

[icehog3]

I don't see the positive bump from you for me? WTH???!??!?!?

"There's no suprise Birthday Party here for me....." :r
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/JeffSpicoli-Chrissm.jpg

[thebiglebowski]

thebiglebowski opines that this is starting to come awfully close to a thread about how great gurkhas are, over at that other... place.

[replicant_argent]

By posting this I am not letting this thread die an ignoble, warranted death. I am just surprised it hadn't run it's current course long ago.


Hey look... something shiny!!!!!



So, all the independent contractors on the second Death Star... were they guilty by association, or pressed into service by the empire, fearful that if they didn't accept the contract for the second Death Star, they would have been blacklisted? Does that make them unwitting victims or were they indeed aiding and abetting crimes against humanity?

[SeanGAR]

So it looks like the invitations for the double blind tasting are being sent out as we speak.

http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/bride/archives/Seinfeld_s7e24.jpeg

[Starscream]

So, all the independent contractors on the second Death Star... were they guilty by association, or pressed into service by the empire, fearful that if they didn't accept the contract for the second Death Star, they would have been blacklisted? Does that make them unwitting victims or were they indeed aiding and abetting crimes against humanity?

andysutherland loves the movie Clerks!

[TomHagen]

This should turn the whole thread in a direction that doesn't suck, cause Hockey kicks ass.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2031/linknd8.gif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo0rJC5t-o)

Often times...
I just wish Jules Winnfield would give his commentary on EVERYTHING!




I also like Dave Winfield...

[MajorCaptSilly]

andysutherland loves the movie clerks!


+1

mcs

[yourchoice]

This should turn the whole thread in a direction that doesn't suck, cause Hockey kicks ass.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2031/linknd8.gif (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHo0rJC5t-o)

yourchoice believes this post made the 270 posts before it worth the read.
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Alright, almost worth the read.


Never saw that clip before. Fantastic!

[Legend]

Great thread like this would rather burn out than fade away.



Ok I'm full of it. I'll drag it on if I gotta be the only one posting. Ha ha ha ha (maniacal igor type laugh)

[Starscream]

yourchoice believes this post made the 270 posts before it worth the read.
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Alright, almost worth the read.


Never saw that clip before. Fantastic!
:tpd:
Great thread like this would rather burn out than fade away.



Ok I'm full of it. I'll drag it on if I gotta be the only one posting. Ha ha ha ha (maniacal igor type laugh)

andysutherland says, "If you say so...".

[kiokicigars]

I was reading a lot of these posts and a few things to point out here on my thinking. A local B&M sells mostly from boxes...I would imagine. Now you know these are not 2nds are quick made cigars...whatever you wish to call them.

Here is a good test...one of these big outfits have these Gurkha deals (we will use Gurkha for this...just cause I see these deals all the time)...pick any of them and for the sake of argument lets say the Gurkha Beast...you can buy a box of these for about $600 + and you see these $30 samplers with a few of them. Buy that sampler and take it to your local B&M if they have Gurkha...the construction is different and the color is way off compared to the Beast out of the box. I would think a local B&M selling from the box...."well, you know they most likely come from the box". These large retailers have good deals...so you get what you pay for.

The point here is that a local B&M that deals direct with..."let's say Gurkha again" they buy 1,2,3,4,5, etc. boxes...that large internet retailer buys maybe 400,000 + cigars from Gurkha (so I am sure deals are made to use a lesser qty. tobacco for these "deal" cigars). If you think about this for one sec. if you owned Gurkha...and the online retailer is busting your B@lls for a way better price so they can make a higher profit...based on the fact that they outsell the little B&M by lightyears....would you use the same tobacco that is used in the "boxes"? That is the question and I am sure with some of the buying power from these places that this might happen...know nothing for fact, but how can the super large online retailer offer a "super-deal...say 75% off deal" from the box, when your local B&M would go out of business doing so.

The other issue is...would the factory going to use all their (A+++ ) tobacco for these suspected (2nd's or deal cigars)? I think not...they would not use this A+++ tobacco for the bundle type, 2nd, quick made, etc. cigars that they get less money for.

That does not make sense...to me at least. I am sure these large places buy tons of boxes from one factory and the factory will make these quick deal singles or samplers to sell at way better prices....they might not be A+++ quality...they maybe only A+ quality. If I owed any cigar factory and have a client with a 3 million dollar a year account....would I say no??? Would you??? to give them a bunch of lesser quality cigars in singles, samples to keep them happy by bring in sales for me and making them happy so they can get the 2nd, bundle, quick made, etc. cigar for cheaper so they can make more money, sell more, but more from me, etc.

When it comes down to it...money is money, we are work our a$$es off to make it to support ourselves, families, etc. it is just that some...not all of these places might cut corners to offers way better deals, sell tons of cigars, make higher profits, etc.

[gvarsity]

I think if they were legitimately substituting another substandard product and you could prove it you would have one hell of a lawsuit on your hands. I also think most cigar manufacturers aggressively protect their brands and would be unlikely to undercut the quality of their own product this way. Cigars more so than many products rely heavily on customer loyalty and repeat business and this is independent of where they buy their cigars. Do you think they would really risk alienating there regular customers this way? I don't think so.

I suspect this perceived difference is just that varied perception on the part of consumers. It has never occurred to me to take my from the internet cigars into the B&M and compare side by side but I have bought enough cigars in both places that if there was a significant difference I think I would notice. Regardless most manufacturers match color by the box even in the same blend so that if you did take to legit cigars from two boxes they may not match color identically. Cigars are a natural product with natural variation from leaf to leaf. As was already mentioned much of the difference is likely to be from variations in storage condition if not just the natural variation in the cigars themselves.

In the example of gurkha and many other retailers there is not that much A+++++ quality leaf around period and most of their lines have none of it but that is not some conspiracy to give one retailer better quality than another it's that they just send out a bunch of PR BS about how special the wrapper is for every freaking cigar. For the most part you pay more either for better tobacco and blenders and some you pay for marketing and packaging and for some you pay for all of the above plus a premium for scarcity same as any other industry.

I don't think they are creating two separate lines one for online retailers and one for everyone else. The most I could see is sending one batch to a set of lesser skilled rollers to crank out for the online retailers and the rest going to more experienced rollers. That still might not be a conspiracy that could very well just be a manufacturing reality. Have one really big order it goes to the largest pool of workers (lowest skilled) and the others go to higher skill workers. Still I even doubt that is the case.

As for the whole 75% off thing that is also marketing. MSRP for all but the most scarce cigars is a joke. The real difference is in not paying for retail space, knowledgeable employees, buying in bulk and not having to pass on state taxes take all that into account from the real retail price which is already well below MSRP and there is your 75% off. You see a stick in a B&M at MSRP they are making a profit after having had to pay all of those other costs that internet retailers don't. Internet retailers can take even a smaller profit margin if necessary because of volume. Just my :2

[icehog3]

andysutherland loves the movie Clerks!
My love for you is like a truck, Berserker!


Often times...
I just wish Jules Winnfield would give his commentary on EVERYTHING!




I also like Dave Winfield...

Saw Winfield hit the greatest home run I have ever witnessed live in Anaheim in 1986 when he was a Yankee. :)

[SeanGAR]

If you think about this for one sec. if you owned Gurkha...and the online retailer is busting your B@lls for a way better price so they can make a higher profit...based on the fact that they outsell the little B&M by lightyears....would you use the same tobacco that is used in the "boxes"?


Honestly, your argument makes no sense.

You suggest that a manufacturer would give lower quality product to their best customers (based on sales volume).

You also ignore the economy of scale and the fact that price often is related to scale of purchase. When my brother was the purchaser for one of the largest car rental places in Canada, he would negotiate car prices with the big three. When you're buying thousands of cars at a time, you get a much better price. You think the manufacturer sold them second quality cars because they negotiated a lower net cost?

And if seconds are really seconds, they are the same cigar as the premium but with some minor imperfection. There is no second rate stack of tobacco just for these cigars. They are regular cigars that fail some QC parameter. If they are not this, they are not seconds.

[Smokin Gator]

Someone please tell me if I am wrong... I have never been to any of the large cigar factories, but have seen DVDs/documentaries on them.

From what I have seen the rollers make huge quantities of cigar x. They then go through a QC process and the ones that are going to make it get banded and boxed. Then those boxes go into cases and then off to an aging room. When they are ready they are released to the market.

When an order is filled they are not making the cigars right then. They are filling it out of a warehouse. For the above theory to be plausible the planning for the first and second tier cigars would have to take place 1-5 years out. To be able to correctly forecast the demand and make the correct amount of each stick would be one heck of a feat.

[SeanGAR]

When an order is filled they are not making the cars would have to take place 1-5 years out. To be able to correctly forecast the demand and make the correct amount of each stick would be one heck of a feat.

Now don't you be starting with the logic, OK? It has no place in this discussion.

[Starscream]

Now don't you be starting with the logic, OK? It has no place in this discussion.

:r

[thebiglebowski]

...we will use Gurkha for this...

no, not gurkha. anything but THAT!

[D_A]

It's all clear now. The Gurkha in this pic obviously came from the internet, not a B&M.

http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showpost.php?p=44119&postcount=8

[Legend]

The one thing that all of the folks on the "it could never be" side continue to say which I've tried to correct. And yes if you continue to think this way then it doesn't make sense and you mock. But I'm not saying substandard. Seconds. Nothing significant. Just noticeable. When you lose that part of your arguement which you hold on to so tightly, your logic fails and the only arguement you have left is cost which is ridiculous. Adding 1 variable to the already many is minimal.

Unless you got something else.

I'll wait.

[ahc4353]

The one thing that all of the folks on the "it could never be" side continue to say which I've tried to correct. And yes if you continue to think this way then it doesn't make sense and you mock. But I'm not saying substandard. Seconds. Nothing significant. Just noticeable. When you lose that part of your arguement which you hold on to so tightly, your logic fails and the only arguement you have left is cost which is ridiculous. Adding 1 variable to the already many is minimal.

Unless you got something else.

I'll wait.

Who said that part of the argument was lost?

[14holestogie]

14holestogie wishes this thread would die, die, die. :)

[ahc4353]

14holestogie wishes this thread would die, die, die. :)

And I suppose you don't slow down to look at car wrecks. :D

[14holestogie]

And I suppose you don't slow down to look at car wrecks. :D


Yeah, that's why this one should end. The ambulances should've been here long ago. :D

[SeanGAR]

The one thing that all of the folks on the "it could never be" side continue to say which I've tried to correct. And yes if you continue to think this way then it doesn't make sense and you mock. But I'm not saying substandard. Seconds. Nothing significant. Just noticeable. When you lose that part of your arguement which you hold on to so tightly, your logic fails and the only arguement you have left is cost which is ridiculous. Adding 1 variable to the already many is minimal.

Unless you got something else.

I'll wait.

Your question has been answered.

Difference, if any, is due to age.

Before you go there, the earth is round.

Any other questions we can help you with today?

[MajorCaptSilly]

Al called me Muffin.

MCS

[rizzle]

We have a winner! Tell him what he's won! :r

rizzle says..

Got a winner! What's your name? Come on down and get your free butter dish!!

[rizzle]

Your question has been answered.

Difference, if any, is due to age.

Before you go there, the earth is round.

Any other questions we can help you with today?
Yes. What happened to Willie? I'm now confused when you post.

[ahc4353]

Al called me Muffin.

MCS

And meant it. :D

[SeanGAR]

Yes. What happened to Willie? I'm now confused when you post.

Willie has been busy trying to get a position in Obama's administration.

http://www.northernsun.com/images/thumb/WILLIE%20NELSON%20FOR%20SURGEON%20(0805).jpg

[rizzle]

:D
The world is right again.

[Starscream]

This is the newest banter thread, where posting adds to your post count.:)
Stirring the pot banter w/ Legend (and a few others).

[14holestogie]

This is the newest banter thread, where posting adds to your post count.:)
Stirring the pot banter w/ Legend (and a few others).

So there is a usefull purpose to this. Yay! :)

[pnoon]

So there is a usefull purpose to this. Yay! :)

Only for those that post count has meaning for.

[lightning9191]

The one thing that all of the folks on the "it could never be" side continue to say which I've tried to correct. And yes if you continue to think this way then it doesn't make sense and you mock. But I'm not saying substandard. Seconds. Nothing significant. Just noticeable. When you lose that part of your arguement which you hold on to so tightly, your logic fails and the only arguement you have left is cost which is ridiculous. Adding 1 variable to the already many is minimal.

Unless you got something else.

I'll wait.

If it's noticeable, why don't more of us notice it? I'm guessing a lot of cigars are smoked by members here and I would further guess that a large percentage of us buy from the internet and from B&Ms.....but you don't seem to have many people jumping on your train. This makes this scenario seem more like a conspiracy theory to me.

[pnoon]

I measure self worth by post count. The higher the number the lower the worth. :D

Nice post count BTW Peter. :r

Someone has to keep the knuckleheads in line.


































So behave yourself, Al. It ain't Monday. :D
Tom said he's gonna kick your ass for that comment. ;)

[shvictor]

I figured I needed to post in here...

[mahtofire]

Hey guys, this will actually be my first "actual" post but here goes. I was in my local BandM and this topic came up between the owner and myself and a few other customers. The owner, who is a good friend of mine, told me something I have never knew about. Buying cigars online is actually illegal. The fact being, that you are not paying the taxes on the tobacco, which is why it is so much cheaper (at least for me here in MN because our tax is so freakin high). Now, the reason no one is getting caught is because the government isn't seeking out people buying cigars online. They do however, have the authority to go to every online cigar company and ask for records of all their customers then go to their doors and demand they pay the tax that they owe. Which in some peoples' cases (mostly cbid addicts) this could mount up to HUGE amounts of money. Now, I buy cigars online just like a lot of people and love the savings, but I also support my local B&M just about every week. Now, this is just what I have heard, so I thought I'd throw it out there.....

[ahc4353]

Hey guys, this will actually be my first "actual" post but here goes. I was in my local BandM and this topic came up between the owner and myself and a few other customers. The owner, who is a good friend of mine, told me something I have never knew about. Buying cigars online is actually illegal. The fact being, that you are not paying the taxes on the tobacco, which is why it is so much cheaper (at least for me here in MN because our tax is so freakin high). Now, the reason no one is getting caught is because the government isn't seeking out people buying cigars online. They do however, have the authority to go to every online cigar company and ask for records of all their customers then go to their doors and demand they pay the tax that they owe. Which in some peoples' cases (mostly cbid addicts) this could mount up to HUGE amounts of money. Now, I buy cigars online just like a lot of people and love the savings, but I also support my local B&M just about every week. Now, this is just what I have heard, so I thought I'd throw it out there.....


Welcome.

Might want to make a introduction thread HERE (http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=7).

[mahtofire]

Thanks I'm in there! HA!:wo

[Starscream]

Only for those that post count has meaning for.

Can we move this to the banter forum? No post counts there.

[SeanGAR]

Buying cigars online is actually illegal. The fact being, that you are not paying the taxes on the tobacco, which is why it is so much cheaper (at least for me here in MN because our tax is so freakin high).

What you're saying is that you don't pay the unpaid taxes on ALL taxable items purchased online on your state taxes? There is a spot for it in Virginia forms .. don't know about your state. In any case, this wouldn't be a case of something being illegal, it would be a case of consumers avoiding payment of taxes due to the State. I can assure you that this loophole will close soon, so buy up.

[icehog3]

What you're saying is that you don't pay the unpaid taxes on ALL taxable items purchased online on your state taxes? There is a spot for it in Virginia forms .. don't know about your state. In any case, this wouldn't be a case of something being illegal, it would be a case of consumers avoiding payment of taxes due to the State. I can assure you that this loophole will close soon, so buy up.

Correct, Sean...and state sales taxes are not collected on most "out-of state" internet purchases, so by that logic my new ABBA CD collection from Amazon.com was an illegal purchase.

[Hardcz]

Correct, Sean...and state sales taxes are not collected on most "out-of state" internet purchases, so by that logic my new ABBA CD collection from Amazon.com was an illegal purchase.

Heck Yea, ABBA RULES!!!!!

[icehog3]

Heck Yea, ABBA RULES!!!!!

I think you're missing the point I was making, Dan.

[Starscream]

What you're saying is that you don't pay the unpaid taxes on ALL taxable items purchased online on your state taxes? There is a spot for it in Virginia forms .. don't know about your state. In any case, this wouldn't be a case of something being illegal, it would be a case of consumers avoiding payment of taxes due to the State. I can assure you that this loophole will close soon, so buy up.

The last time I checked, there was a spot for it in NC too. I'm not sure if anyone actually puts a number on that line, but it's there.

[Hardcz]

I think you're missing the point I was making, Dan.


That Amazon is bad?

I prefer the guy at 5 mile and Telegraph that sells stuff out of his trunk. :tu

[icehog3]

That Amazon is bad?

I prefer the guy at 5 mile and Telegraph that sells stuff out of his trunk. :tu

Yeah.

[Hardcz]

so am I illegal then?

[marge796]

You just blew my mind!!! :fu

[Starscream]

so am I illegal then?

Yep.

[ahc4353]

so am I illegal then?

For now. We are currently working to change that. :D

[yourchoice]

I can assure you that this loophole will close soon, so buy up.

Oh great....another reason. Need....more....space.

[mahtofire]

The feds definitely know what's going on, they just aren't spending the time to take action on it....Yet. My B&M owner was talking to one of the officials in MN that would head up this topic and he knows all about it and is seemingly waiting to pounce when they finally do start going after people....which in the declining economy is looking more and more appealing, I'm sure....

[TheRiddick]

Internet sales is still a very gray area. Years ago they were designated as "tax free" to stimulate sales and make people actually buy online. A couple of times since then our great government attempted to change that, but IIRC, they still have not changed that. So that Amazon/eBay/etc purchase is legal, still. And pretty much any other internet purchase. Businesses that collect taxes on internet sales are those that have a B&M or offices in the state you reside in, and they treat those sales same as any local sales had you been buying at the B&M instead. If a business does not have a B&M/office presence in your state they do not have to collect taxes.

When businesses file their quarterly sales tax reports with the state, there is a separate bucket for sales to out of state customers with no tax to be collected nor reported.

Will that change? Maybe. But that will immediately kill a bunch of businesses, even those with B&M outlets (or at least make them earn much less). Amazon, as an example here, included. Imagine all the used book/CD/whatever sellers having to file taxes and paperwork with each state, it won't be worth anyone's time nor profits.

Sounds like a B&M owner is either playing it fast and lose (with the originator of this rumor) or simply not aware of special internet sales provisions put in place back in '90s and still in force. What the poster should do is go back and ask the B&M owner to see a blank state tax board form, there WILL BE a bucket that says, Out of State Non Taxable sales. Either the owner is clueless or dishonest since if anyone from another state calls him to buy and ship, the owner will not collect any tax on that sale. And I doubt he os not aware of this.

I deal with wine sales, same agency (ATF) and same state tax people.

[mahtofire]

Yeah he knows that and has told me of this, but what he said was something about if you buy from a state where the tax is lower than ours you don't owe anything. But if you buy say from WI, or ND, or the neighboring states where the tax is similar to ours, MN could call over to one of the boarding states agents and they could report you. He only mentioned this whole thing to me once, so I may not be getting all my facts straight so this is for me just as much as for then next guy....The owner isn't trying to pull anything over on anyone...

[Legend]

Back on topic.

Yes age is a possible reason for the difference. I've said that a few times already. But I've also mentioned that ice tried the boxes just as my lounge gets them.

Already mentioned no conspiracy. :bh

And to the fellow that asked why do you lose the part of the arguement. Well. If you claim that spanking you kid is not illegal and I claim that of course you go to jail if you clobber him over the head with a 2x4. You have the right as the guy making the original statement to say. I was not talking about clobbering him with a 2x4. You can use that as an argument.

Same thing here.

[thebiglebowski]

When the still sea conspires an armor
And her sullen and aborted
Currents breed tiny monsters,
True sailing is dead.

Awkward instant
And the first animal is jettisoned,
Legs furiously pumping
Their stiff green gallop,
And heads bob up
Poise
Delicate
Pause
Consent
In mute nostril agony
Carefully refined
And sealed over.

[Starscream]

When the still sea conspires an armor
And her sullen and aborted
Currents breed tiny monsters,
True sailing is dead.

Awkward instant
And the first animal is jettisoned,
Legs furiously pumping
Their stiff green gallop,
And heads bob up
Poise
Delicate
Pause
Consent
In mute nostril agony
Carefully refined
And sealed over.
Who wrote this poem? Sounds familiar.

[pnoon]

Back on topic.



There's a topic? :confused:

[ahc4353]

Back on topic.

Yes age is a possible reason for the difference. I've said that a few times already. But I've also mentioned that ice tried the boxes just as my lounge gets them.

Already mentioned no conspiracy. :bh

And to the fellow that asked why do you lose the part of the arguement. Well. If you claim that spanking you kid is not illegal and I claim that of course you go to jail if you clobber him over the head with a 2x4. You have the right as the guy making the original statement to say. I was not talking about clobbering him with a 2x4. You can use that as an argument.

Same thing here.

Is it me or does the part about spanking and a 2x4 make sense? :confused::confused::confused:

[MajorCaptSilly]

There's a pack of wild skinks in my neighborhood.

MCS

[macpappy]

My turn to post here.



Ok. I'm done.

[thebiglebowski]

Who wrote this poem? Sounds familiar.

some guy whos cuts his lusis in half... :)

[Starscream]

some guy whos cuts his lusis in half... :)

I knew by reading the poem that the poet must have good taste.:D

[Legend]

Is it me or does the part about spanking and a 2x4 make sense? :confused::confused::confused:

exactly I say There is a noticeable difference, (spanking)
the nay sayers here say 2nds, scrap, inferior, subpar, etc. etc. (hit in the head with a 2x4)

I am suggesting something mild and subtle, and to argue against me they say I'm saying something harsh and drastic.:tu

[SilverFox]

Happened to be out at 2 B&M's yesterday. One that I don't particularily like and one that is awesome.

I threw the question at them.

They both laughed as said that the thought that the producers would go to those lengths.

And I quote.


"Ludicrous" clearly the more pc response.

"That is just f'n retarded" the less pc response.

[md4958]

"That is just f'n retarded" the less pc response.

seeing that I like Petit Coronas LESS than other vitolas, im gonna have to agree with comment "b"
:D

[Stogieboy]

[QUOTE=Legend;249743]
Ok. Here is the basic premise. A B&M has superior cigars to internet.


Supporting statements:
1. Side by side tests. I've taken a number of internet cigars into my lounge and bought the same cigar there and smoked them side by side. Even had a few botl try it too and we all thought the local one was better. Even in blind tests.

2. Botl had gone to Honduras and Dominican republic and reported that locals(workers at the factories) had stated that inferior tobacco and piles left laying around in the factory were for internet cigars.
3. Just conjecture here but I think to myself as a businessman. First the big guys want these incredible discounts. Need to use surplus and extra tobacco. Second I know that the small guy is aware of everything that comes into his shop. Whereas the big guy. Not so much. I know that in my business the guy who makes 2 orders a month will probably call me about both. On the other hand the company that orders 100 one of his employees may call every 3 months or so.

Final thoughts: again just my opinion and I will still order and smoke internet cigars. But I think the makers know who their clients are and will give superior product to the local guys. It helps keep them in business when they can't compete price wise and reduces complaints. Try a side by side testing and support you local as much as your budget allows.

QUOTE]

The statements made in your original post do not reflect what you are now calling a "difference" or "spanking". You seem to be accusing those that disagree with you of blowing it out of proportion "2x4". Perhaps you should read the words and tone of your OP and retract or modify some of them. :2

[md4958]

You know, I really dont like Sergio Garcia (the golfer) I dont know why... just never liked him.

[md4958]

you know who else I never liked, VeeJay Singh... again, not sure why.

[Stogieboy]

The owner, who is a good friend of mine, told me something I have never knew about. Buying cigars online is actually illegal. ....


Did he actually say it is illegal?

[md4958]

Did he actually say it is illegal?

dont worry, he was referring to NCs being illegal to buy online, not CCs :tu

[icehog3]

My head hurts.

[DPD6030]

Hi Moe. :D

[md4958]

My head hurts.

Thats great ADB, but you still havent addressed the topic on the table... what golfer dont you like?

[Whee]

My head hurts.

Well at least your butt hasn't started to itch....yet.:r

[G G]

Well then since I am accused of being a PW, here I am.:tu

[DPD6030]

I saw 3 deer on the way in to work today. Wonder if they will still be there on the way home. :confused:

[G G]

Nothin to add particularly, but here just the same.

[G G]

I saw 3 deer on the way in to work today. Wonder if they will still be there on the way home. :confused:
If they are and you hit one, I am calling the police on you, wait uhhhhhh, you are the police.:dance:

[icehog3]

Thats great ADB, but you still havent addressed the topic on the table... what golfer dont you like?

Chi Chi Rodriguez.....I don't like male Chi Chis, Moe. :)

Well at least your butt hasn't started to itch....yet.:r

It is startin', Sean....:r

[DPD6030]

If they are and you hit one, I am calling the police on you, wait uhhhhhh, you are the police.:dance:

I've hit enough deer for a lifetime. One in 2008 and at least 5 in 06-07. Glad they weren't my vehicles. :D

[Cyanide]

I am guessing that the second response came from C&M's (if I am guessing which B&Ms you went to).

Hehehe

[G G]

That's gotta be some kind of record Andrew.:tu

[G G]

Charlie, how are you?

[G G]

Paul, hello to you too.

[G G]

Al is here, Yay.

[G G]

Moe, you got the recipe for humble pie?

[md4958]

yeah, you want me to sent it to you Greg?

[G G]

No dude, I have someone else in mind.

[md4958]

oh and Hi Andrew, sorry... lost connection there for a minute

[G G]

I'll get the addy and pm it to you.

[md4958]

No dude, I have someone else in mind.

I really dont think it would help

[G G]

I can't bake for crap.:tu

[G G]

I really dont think it would help
Prolly not, but since I have a history of bombing pies, you can put my name and Bao's return addy on it.:mh

[G G]

Did everyone's keyboards tear up or something?

[Whee]

Nope, just waiting with baited breath...:D

[chenvt]

"Ludicrous" clearly the more pc response.

"That is just f'n retarded" the less pc response.


:tpd:s

[md4958]

Sorry Gainey, keep getting disconnected... I had U-verse installed today and they are taking care of a potential problem on the line outside... ive been loosing connection all afternoon.

I like that they are being proactive about it though

[G G]

Cool Moe.

[alley00p]

I saw 3 deer on the way in to work today. Wonder if they will still be there on the way home. :confused:

Why Andrew, Thinking of some venison for dinner?

:r :r

[alley00p]

Hi Greg!!

And everyone else!

:wo

[md4958]

Hey Charlie... dont feel like dancin this afternoon?

[MajorCaptSilly]

Tommy can you hear me? Tommy?......Tommy?........Tommy?.......Tommy?..... ......Tommy?..........Tommy?

MCS

[gnukfu]

Will you guys stop it please! Class starts in a few minutes and you are disturbing my powers of concentration! :wo

[G G]

Sorry George.

[Starscream]

Is this the new Masshole banter thread now?:)

[pnoon]

Is this the new Masshole banter thread now?:)

No.

[Legend]

Dunno I think the length of this thread theatens those who don't agree. They feel, for some reason, that its length gives credence to its topic, which it doesn't, and for some reason can't handle something they don't believe being perceived as true by someone else. (who cares). So they put down and mock and try to get it moved? Why? It definitely has to do with cigars.

Let people think what they may and have a discussion about it.

[Starscream]

It definitely has to do with cigars. .

:confused:

[NCRadioMan]

It definitely has to do with cigars.



Not really. It has more to do with one's own perception.

[thebiglebowski]

speaking of golfers, i don't really much care for that camilo vilegas (sp). he's a mimbo - my prediction; will be the male golf version of that female tennis chick. what'shername? y'know.

ah, f*** it dude, let's go bowlin'...

[G G]

Dunno I think the length of this thread theatens those who don't agree. They feel, for some reason, that its length gives credence to its topic, which it doesn't, and for some reason can't handle something they don't believe being perceived as true by someone else. (who cares). So they put down and mock and try to get it moved? Why? It definitely has to do with cigars.

Let people think what they may and have a discussion about it.
No threat to me. I call :bs

You can believe anything you choose to my friend, but that don't make it so. And I think most of us are mature enough to realize that we may not always be right either.:D

[Yazzie]

Dunno I think the length of this thread theatens those who don't agree.

Hey Legend, it's not always about Length.....:r:r:r

[SeanGAR]

So ... who else wants to talk about their alien abduction and implant experiences?

It was in 1973.

I was driving down a desloate stretch of highway heading from Antigonish to Louisbourg ... between Louisdale and St. Peters... it must have been 4 or 5 AM .... when I was startled by a bright light that appeared to be hovering directly over my car.


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[Yazzie]

So ... who else wants to talk about their alien abduction and implant experiences?

It was in 1973.

I was driving down a desloate stretch of highway heading from Antigonish to Louisbourg ... between Louisdale and St. Peters... it must have been 4 or 5 AM .... when I was startled by a bright light that appeared to be hovering directly over my car.


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Were they local or internet Aliens?

[icehog3]

This thread is in serious trouble of being moved to the Banter Forum.

Lots of places to banter besides here. ;)

[Whee]

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/Product_Index_Page_17.jpg
Here,Tom...it's the anti-itch formula.:r

[Legend]

Not really. It has more to do with one's own perception.

Of cigars!

And oh heck I've already admitted I might be wrong on this. But the people wanting to ban/move and starting banter just mock and don't even entertain the possibility.

I've acknowledged both sides. Given my reasons why I chose the side I do and why I don't agree with the other side. But still acknowledged that neither side is provable and both sides are plausible.

[JaKaacH]

I didn't start it

[Col. Kurtz]

Dunno I think the length of this thread theatens those who don't agree. They feel, for some reason, that its length gives credence to its topic, which it doesn't, and for some reason can't handle something they don't believe being perceived as true by someone else. (who cares). So they put down and mock and try to get it moved? Why? It definitely has to do with cigars.

Let people think what they may and have a discussion about it.

Threatened? Not really, more like a train wreck you can't look away from. I tried, but alas my human failings.

I think this one has been sufficiently de-bunked.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc267/jdubx2/MythBusted.gif

Maybe he can write the Mythbusters and give them a show idea...

[gnukfu]

It's hard to differentiate between my contributory posts and banter....

[md4958]

But the people wanting to ban/move and starting banter just mock and don't even entertain the possibility. .

This thread was a mockery long before the banter started. In my opinion, from the original post.

It is my opinion that this thread was started just to irritate people and make waves, and I find that offensive. If you wanna create drama, Cigar Asylum isn't the place to do it. You might have luck at another forum.

It is also my opinion that if the OP doesn't like the feedback he is receiving from other members, that he should think twice before posting threads that he knows will create waves.

But these are only my opinions. And you know what they say... opinions are like buttholes, everybody's got one, and they all stink.

[Legend]

This thread was a mockery long before the banter started. In my opinion, from the original post.

It is my opinion that this thread was started just to irritate people and make waves, and I find that offensive. If you wanna create drama, Cigar Asylum isn't the place to do it. You might have luck at another forum.

It is also my opinion that if the OP doesn't like the feedback he is receiving from other members, that he should think twice before posting threads that he knows will create waves.

But these are only my opinions. And you know what they say... opinions are like buttholes, everybody's got one, and they all stink.

You're right in a small way. The thread was intended to stir the pot not make wave. Much smaller. And I tried to make it a discussion. Back and forth accepting others opinions and giving mine. But the only issues came when those who didn't want to discuss. Just mock and believe that only they could be right.

So no I was not picking a fight, but trying to spark a good debate on a commonly discussed cigar topic. At least at my lounge its common. The spirit of it was not to fight but to discuss.

[SeanGAR]

But the only issues came when those who didn't want to discuss. Just mock and believe that only they could be right.

entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

[rizzle]

It's hard to differentiate between my contributory posts and banter....

Sadly, I feel the same about mine.
:(

[DPD6030]

Were they local or internet Aliens?

Maybe resident aliens or illegal aliens :D

[Da Klugs]

sapientia of vir can tantum exsisto copiose postulo per propono of is adversus

[ahc4353]

OK, I need a link to a translator.

[DPD6030]

OK, I need a link to a translator.

:tpd:

[dunng]

OK, I need a link to a translator.

:hm Maybe I need a new translator...

"wisdom of man can only to emerge fully to ask very display of this facing"

[DPD6030]

:hm Maybe I need a new translator...

"wisdom of man can only to emerge fully to ask very display of this facing"

Or an interperator

[SeanGAR]

:hm Maybe I need a new translator...

"wisdom of man can only to emerge fully to ask very display of this facing"

The actual translation is:

"knock it off, dumbass, before I ban you".

Oh, and before anybody else takes offense, he was speaking to me.

[ahc4353]

The actual translation is:

"knock it off, dumbass, before I ban you".

Oh, and before anybody else takes offense, he was speaking to me.

But what does yours translate to for those of us who are clueless?

[landhoney]

he was speaking to me.

Like the Fawlty Towers bit, "he has looking at you but talking to me" :r

[Stick]

But what does yours translate to for those of us who are clueless?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

[ahc4353]

The actual translation is:

"knock it off, dumbass, before I ban you".



I just knew I remembered that from somewhere! PNOON sends me that all the time in PM! :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor


Thank you David. :tu

[SeanGAR]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Or as I like to say, keep the explanation simple.

I remember a student who was having trouble with the HPLC, an instrument we were using to measure vitamin A.

He gave a long and convoluted explanation of what he thought was happening. I asked if he checked to see if the light bulb was burned out. He hadn't. It was. Simplest explanation wins again.

[Legend]

Or as I like to say, keep the explanation simple.

I remember a student who was having trouble with the HPLC, an instrument we were using to measure vitamin A.

He gave a long and convoluted explanation of what he thought was happening. I asked if he checked to see if the light bulb was burned out. He hadn't. It was. Simplest explanation wins again.

Please excuse me for being thick, but what did you mean?

[SilverFox]

Occam's razor is one of my favorite principles and I often use it in business to simplify complex transactions, in truth it is also the same principle I used to decide to stop working.

[ahc4353]

Please excuse me for being thick......


You're excused. :tu

[SilverFox]

This thread was a mockery long before the banter started. In my opinion, from the original post.

It is my opinion that this thread was started just to irritate people and make waves, and I find that offensive. If you wanna create drama, Cigar Asylum isn't the place to do it. You might have luck at another forum.

It is also my opinion that if the OP doesn't like the feedback he is receiving from other members, that he should think twice before posting threads that he knows will create waves.


While it might not have been the OP's intent that this be the case I do agree with Moe in that it certainly did come across that way.

The post was in my opinion intended to illicit argument not debate which in my opinion are very different ends of the spectrum, in several cases the counter posts from the OP took a personal edge.

Anyway the best bet is too ignore these types of threads, however I seem to be drawn like a moth to a flame, I sometimes take on a high moral position (at least in my mind) that is not necessarily healthy or in fairness sufficiently supportable, in doing so I see the flaws in my own approach......................typically after I hit submit reply

[Legend]

You're excused. :tu

Thank you.

I rereading my response I can see how the "excuse me" could come off more like the old Steve Martin bit. Sarcastic. However, I am honestly not making the connection the Seangar is making and blaming me for not being able to do so.

[SeanGAR]

Please excuse me for being thick, but what did you mean?

Look for the simplest explanation in things.

In this case, what is the simplest explanation for the observation that cigars purchased in a B&M taste better than ones bought online.

1. Age of cigars.
2. Selection by the manufacturer giving better smokes to the B&M.
3. Other.

I think you would agree that age is a simpler explanation than anything else, as there is no active involvement of anybody in the difference.

Of course, the simplest explanation is not always the right one, but looking at problems this way is often helpful.

[shilala]

Look for the simplest explanation in things.

In this case, what is the simplest explanation for the observation that cigars purchased in a B&M taste better than ones bought online.

1. Age of cigars.
2. Selection by the manufacturer giving better smokes to the B&M.
3. Other.

I think you would agree that age is a simpler explanation than anything else, as there is no active involvement of anybody in the difference.

Of course, the simplest explanation is not always the right one, but looking at problems this way is often helpful.
That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu

[Legend]

Look for the simplest explanation in things.

In this case, what is the simplest explanation for the observation that cigars purchased in a B&M taste better than ones bought online.

1. Age of cigars.
2. Selection by the manufacturer giving better smokes to the B&M.
3. Other.

I think you would agree that age is a simpler explanation than anything else, as there is no active involvement of anybody in the difference.

Of course, the simplest explanation is not always the right one, but looking at problems this way is often helpful.

A way of looking at it. Granted.

[Scottw]

That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu



:r:rHAHAHAHAHA

[Dgar]

That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu


Thats funny stuff.

To the original question/observation...... I have never noticed a difference in the taste of cigars ordered online vs cigars purchased at a B/M, well I've noticed a difference in price but I dont think the OP was commenting on that.

[gnukfu]

That's why I tend to go with the amatuerphylactics rather than the prophylactics. I like to keep it simple, and I don't wanna feel all "uppity" when I'm gettin sexy. :tu

...gettin sexy? :pu What the heck are you doing with your cigars Scott?

[shvictor]

...gettin sexy? :pu What the heck are you doing with your cigars Scott?

If you have to ask....

[WildBlueSooner]

Did I come in at a bad time?

[Legend]

OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al

[icehog3]

OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al

A little egg never hurt anyone. ;) :)

[Col. Kurtz]

OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al
I guess I need to take all my boxes out of the coolerdor and strip the sticks down? What did he recommend for storage?
Isn't the 601 made in Don Pepin's factory?

BTW, I don't think I'd ask Pepin Garcia this question.

[SeanGAR]

he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.


Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.

[icehog3]

Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.

Not to mention the Dark Lord. :)

[Legend]

Well, that explains why MRN stores boxes for aging in ziplock bags.

MRN???

[Stick]

MRN???

Min Ron Nee, author of "An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post Revolution Havana Cigars."

http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248 (http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248)

[Legend]

Min Ron Nee, author of "An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Post Revolution Havana Cigars."

http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248 (http://www.cigarmony.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=248)

Thank you

[MajorCaptSilly]

OK. I spoke with Eddie Ortega of 601 Cigars tonight at my cigar lounge and his perspective on this subject was very interesting.

He said his cigars are all the same, but his reasoning for the local being better is not the aging at the B&M, but the storage at the big internet guys. he said while they do have humidified warehouses etc. they are stored in their boxes and celo wrapped which isn't the best for cigars.

Now 601 is a smaller producer of cigars and the reports I got were from some larger cigar makers, So when I go to Nicaragua in May I'll ask Don Pepin about his. So for now I am have some egg on my face. :al

That's pretty much what I said very early in this thread.


MCS

[Whee]

Do you really think that cigar manufacturers make varying quality cigars for B&Ms vs internet retailers? I just don't think that's possible. I do think that long-term storage can be a problem at some of the internet retailers. Many tend to keep cigars at higher humidity levels so they can ship better. If cigars are kept at over 70% humidity for long periods of time, I can see some chemical changes happening that could cause problems. I've also been at some B&M's with serious humidity issues. I just don't buy the fact that B&M's are getting "better" cigars.

MCS

That's pretty much what I said very early in this thread.


MCS

True story...post #8.

[SilverFox]

A little egg never hurt anyone. ;) :)

I like eggs

[vudu9]

Final thoughts: again just my opinion and I will still order and smoke internet cigars. But I think the makers know who their clients are and will give superior product to the local guys. It helps keep them in business when they can't compete price wise and reduces complaints.


It makes no sense to to me as a brand owner to send better product to one venue and so-so/inferior product to another. Everything I make I want to be perfect no matter where it ends up. I would imagine this rings true to all other manufacturers out there. It all has to be good all the time.

[ahc4353]

I like eggs

From the local grocer or Costco? :hm

[shvictor]

I like eggs

I like my eggs over medium...I love the runny yolk :D

[G G]

I like my eggs over medium...I love the runny yolk :D
:tpd:

[Legend]

I'm an over easy fella myself. Like the yolk very runny and mix it up with my hashbrowns.

Love it with rye toast and sausage. Throw some peppers. Onions and garlic on the hashbrowns and we are doing awesome.

Ok. Sorry. Don't post hungry.

[Starscream]

I'm an over easy fella myself. Like the yolk very runny and mix it up with my hashbrowns.

Try eggs over easy mixed w/ grits and sausage. A lot better than mixing it up w/ hashbrowns.:tu

[shvictor]

Try eggs over easy mixed w/ grits and sausage. A lot better than mixing it up w/ hashbrowns.:tu

I haven't had grits since i was a kid living in North Carolina..I don't even remember what they taste like

[pnoon]

I haven't had grits since i was a kid living in North Carolina..I don't even remember what they taste like

Lucky for you.
:pu

[SeanGAR]

MRN???

I was being facetious with my statement.

MRN wraps cuban cigar boxes in zip lock bags to slow the aging process and supposedly IMPROVE the quality of the cigar during storage. So Mr. Ortega's explanation that a box wrapped in cello is not good for the cigars does not jive with what at least one respected Cuban cigar collector is doing.

But it does bring up another possible difference .. that the cigars in the B&M age faster because boxes are opened .. which isn't exactly age per se, but might affect the taste. So equal age 1 YO cigars, one that spent its life in a cello covered box, and the other that was in a B&M humidor might taste different for that reason.

[replicant_argent]

Try eggs over easy mixed w/ grits and sausage. A lot better than mixing it up w/ hashbrowns.:tu

That's at least the second time this thread has made me think of Buttered Kitty Litter. (and that was before the breakfast talk)

[shvictor]

What was this thread about? :r:r

[taltos]

What was this thread about? :r:rAbsurd conspiracy theories.

[shvictor]

Absurd conspiracy theories.

Thats right I forgot. Its your favorite thread Paul

[Legend]

Love me some grits. Unfortunately no one here in so Cal has a clue on how to make them. Including me.

Seangar aside from being a smart ass brought up what my point was. There was an entirely different possibility than we even thought of. Which is why we shouldn't mock and dismiss but have an intelligent discussion on the topic which is what I was looking for.

[G G]

Most people buy their grits at the grocery store. As far as cooking them I am no chef but grits are pretty easy to make. I guess you have to figure out what consistency you like em at is the hardest thing IMO.:tu

[Bruzee]

I do love (ok, maybe just strongly like) you guys, but this horse is DEAD! :D

[dunng]

I do love (ok, maybe just strongly like) you guys, but this horse is DEAD! :D

Looking for this? :D

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/dunng/ForumPics/dead-horse.gif

[WildBlueSooner]

Looking for this? :D

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/dunng/ForumPics/dead-horse.gif

Looks more like a llama to me:confused:

[dunng]

Looks more like a llama to me:confused:

Better?

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n236/LucasHoldren/beating_a_dead_horse.jpg

[Whee]

here's a 2fer...

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/beat_a_dead_horse_2.gif http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t7/IllinoisHoosier/smilies/themot-deadhorse1.gif

[Legend]

Dead horse? Ha. This is an important topic. I mean its important to smoke the best right? Well its important to smoke cigars. Well we like cigars. Well ok its silly. But fun.

[Hardcz]

Dead horse? Ha. This is an important topic. I mean its important to smoke the best right? Well its important to smoke cigars. Well we like cigars. Well ok its silly. But fun.

The best aren't legal in the US... so it don't really matter.

I mean seriously, cigars with weed in them rule! :wo

[chippewastud79]

The best aren't legal in the US... so it don't really matter.

I mean seriously, cigars with weed in them rule! :wo


I heard there is a conspiracy that Cuba sends their seconds to companies who sell to America and saves their good stock for Europe. :rolleyes:

[Legend]

The best aren't legal in the US... so it don't really matter.

I mean seriously, cigars with weed in them rule! :wo

(long blank stare with eyes really big)



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Uh Ok. Go with the nice men in the white coats. They're you're friends.

[ahc4353]

I heard there is a conspiracy that Cuba sends their seconds to companies who sell to America and saves their good stock for Europe. :rolleyes:

:r

Where the hell is the smoke ring bumper thingy!?

[Legend]

I heard there is a conspiracy that Cuba sends their seconds to companies who sell to America and saves their good stock for Europe. :rolleyes:

Funny you should mention it. Look into Spain.

[chippewastud79]

Funny you should mention it. Look into Spain.

Have the locals at the B+M proven your conspiracy theory as fact 100% of the time on Cubans as well? :confused:

[Hardcz]

So do you smoke cigars marketed for France backwards? Lighting the head and puffing on the foot?

[ahc4353]

Funny you should mention it. Look into Spain.

Please enlighten us further.

[MajorCaptSilly]

Funny you should mention it. Look into Spain.

I looked into Spain and saw Spainards.

MCS

[icehog3]

I looked into Spain and saw Spainards.

MCS

They say Spain is pretty though I've never been.
Well Daniel says it's the best place that he's ever seen.

[Legend]

Please enlighten us further.

I ... Was ... Being ... SARCASTIC!!!!

[Hardcz]

I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.

[Legend]

They say Spain is pretty though I've never been.
Well Daniel says it's the best place that he's ever seen.

He Should know He's been there enough.

Man. I miss Daniel. I miss him so MUCH!!!!:r

[Legend]

I don't even know what this thread is about anymore.

Last you piped in it was about Stogies with weed in 'em rasta bro.:confused::al

[ahc4353]

They say Spain is pretty though I've never been.
Well Daniel says it's the best place that he's ever seen.

Is that CL Daniel?

[icehog3]

He Should know He's been there enough.

Man. I miss Daniel. I miss him so MUCH!!!!:r

:tu :r

Is that CL Daniel?

Nope....EJ's blind brother Daniel. ;)

[gnukfu]

Last you piped in it was about Stogies with weed in 'em rasta bro.:confused::al

crabgrass?

[Legend]

crabgrass?

No dandelion. Its quite the rage in France.

[icehog3]

No dandelion. Its quite the rage in France.

I had some dandelion wine in Florida when I was a yute that knocked me on my arse. ;)

[Legend]

BTW, I don't think I'd ask Pepin Garcia this question.

Why not? I can't imagine it going so badly.

"Mr. Garcia, we've noticed that many times the cigars from our lounge are better than ones we buy online from the big guys. Is there a difference?"

"you and the rest of you bastards from your lounge down here to tour my factory get out. I can't believe you would ask such a question" followed by ranting and rambling in Spanish.

Nope. I don't see it. What's the harm?

[SeanGAR]

Why not? I can't imagine it going so badly.

Nope. I don't see it. What's the harm?

The question would probably make him laugh so hard he could injure himself.

[taltos]

Think about it this way, you are a guest in Pepin's facility and you ask him a question that implies that he compromises his standards in order to sell to large accounts. How would any rational person react?

[ahc4353]

Think about it this way, you are a guest in Pepin's facility and you ask him a question that implies that he compromises his standards in order to sell to large accounts. How would any rational person react?

Probably like the kid in your avatar. :D

[D_A]

Pepin takes pride in the quality of the product he releases. I think to go into his factory and toss out some absurd accusation that he is intentionally lowering his quality standards for certain clients would be an insult to him. :2

[Addiction]

Why not? I can't imagine it going so badly.

"Mr. Garcia, we've noticed that many times the cigars from our lounge are better than ones we buy online from the big guys. Is there a difference?"

Ranting and rambling in Spanish as a response.

Nope. I don't see it. What's the harm?

Fixed.

Don Pepin speaks no english. I've met with him twice once with Pete Johnson and Once with the head of 5 Vegas both times required someone to translate for me.

[Legend]

Think about it this way, you are a guest in Pepin's facility and you ask him a question that implies that he compromises his standards in order to sell to large accounts. How would any rational person react?

I'm not implying that he compromises standards.

Again. If you are a farmer and even though all of your tomatoes are good. You give the select ones to those customers you now would be a pain. Who you want to keep in business because they are a good chunk of your base. No standards are compromised


I don't know how many different ways I can say it. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression in prior wording. We are not talking about big differences.

Besides. When I asked Eddie Ortega he was not offended.

[Legend]

Fixed.

Don Pepin speaks no english. I've met with him twice once with Pete Johnson and Once with the head of 5 Vegas both times required someone to translate for me.

I'll have to brush up on my espanol.

Donde esta los cigaros

He he he he.

[chippewastud79]

How could they be different cigars if nothing has been compromised? Still not sure how you are going to make cigars differently without making them different blends to be different cigars. Unless you and your B+M are the only people in the world with a palate so refined you can taste the differences so subtle in the same cigars. :confused:

[Kreth]

Donde esta los cremosas
Fixed that for you. :r

[Smokin Gator]

Again. If you are a farmer and even though all of your tomatoes are good...

:bh:bh:bh

[SeanGAR]

Who you want to keep in business because they are a good chunk of your base.

You are suggesting that any B&M is a bigger account than any of the big online retailers that sell DPG?

Bzzzzztt

Sorry, that didn't pass the laugh test.

[ahc4353]

What was Mr. Ortega's comments?

(If I missed it earlier please link and forgive me)

[chippewastud79]

What was Mr. Ortega's comments?

(If I missed it earlier please link and forgive me)

I think it was something along the lines of :r

Actually he said there is no difference :rolleyes:

[icehog3]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa73/icehog3/horse3.jpg

[ahc4353]

legend, did you recently buy a bunch of cigar web sites?

[Col. Kurtz]

Why not? I can't imagine it going so badly.

"Mr. Garcia, we've noticed that many times the cigars from our lounge are better than ones we buy online from the big guys. Is there a difference?"

"you and the rest of you bastards from your lounge down here to tour my factory get out. I can't believe you would ask such a question" followed by ranting and rambling in Spanish.

Nope. I don't see it. What's the harm?

Some others have covered this, but I said I wouldn't ask him. You can do what you want.

The implication is that he sells an inferior/different product to the online retailers and is less than honest. That would be an embarassing subject to broach for both, and if I were his guest, I wouldn't dare. I would not disrespect the man in his own house. Much less what will be lost in translation.

But hey, feel free to make an a$$ of yourself and let us know how it goes.

Not intended as a personal attack Legend, just my explanation / reasoning of my prior statement.

[yourchoice]

legend, did you recently buy a bunch of cigar web sites?

:r:r:r

I'm surprised my secretary didn't just pop in and ask what was so funny! Still chuckling over here!

:r :r

[SilverFox]

I'm not implying that he compromises standards.

Again. If you are a farmer and even though all of your tomatoes are good. You give the select ones to those customers you now would be a pain. Who you want to keep in business because they are a good chunk of your base. No standards are compromised


I don't know how many different ways I can say it. I apologize if I gave the wrong impression in prior wording. We are not talking about big differences.

Besides. When I asked Eddie Ortega he was not offended.

Uh huh cuz I see tomato farmers hand sorting by destination all the time

http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB051044.jpg?size=572&uid={18C81DE8-3F10-4A47-A036-EA4DB5BD1118}

[gnukfu]

Uh huh cuz I see tomato farmers hand sorting by destination all the time

http://pro.corbis.com/images/CB051044.jpg?size=572&uid={18C81DE8-3F10-4A47-A036-EA4DB5BD1118}


Mmmmmmmm!!!! Cuban tomatoes!!! :dance:

[thebiglebowski]

is there a way to hide a thread, for lack of a better term? i keep coming here, like someone staring at a car wreck, with morbid curiousity and this thread keeps making my brain hurt... maybe if i can't see it, i won't look.

[Legend]

You just don't get it. You don't. You don't.

Mini me. You hungry? Want a hot pocket?

[Legend]

499

[Legend]

500!!!

Legendary