Ten Reasons to Lift the Cuba Embargo

[e-man67]

Man I wanna go to sooo bad.....I am just afraid I would end up on one of the "locked up abroad" episodes on the History Channel if I went now.

[Ashcan Bill]

First, I agree with Dave as to what will happen to pricing when the embargo does end. Our government will jump on that tax source fast and hard, and cigar prices will rise dramatically. Supply and demand will also drive prices.

Secondly, I agree with Carlos that the Castros most likely see an end to the embargo as a threat to their power. But, their domination is in its twilight. Time goes on, and they won't.

Lastly, and sadly, I think the embargo will end for the wrong reason. We've been involved in the Middle East since the end of WWII for one reason. I suspect we'll end the embargo and reengage with Cuba for the same reason.

[markem]

11. Moe wants it lifted

[md4958]

Originally Posted by markem

11. Moe wants it lifted

actually Im a bit conflicted... I dont wanna see my prices go up, if you know what I mean

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by e-man67

Man I wanna go to sooo bad.....I am just afraid I would end up on one of the "locked up abroad" episodes on the History Channel if I went now.

What's the problem? Book a vacation to Cancun and take a flight from there, its only an hour one way.
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Agree with Carlos, but then both of us have actual real life experience living under the "wonderful" communist/fascist/socialist/progressive regime and all that entails. Funny that those who argue for lifting of the embargo have never lived nor experienced great life under a tyrant and do not understand that self-appointed ruler gods would never want democracy nor reaching out from USA, just the money that would keep them in power. Cuba used be live better in the days of USSR, once those huge subsidies ended with the fall of USSR Cuba basically started falling apart.

The only way to deal with this is to starve the beast even more. Castro just allowed private business a la latter day Russia/China, if we starve them more people there will finally realize they can change things.

BTW, today Cuba announced that they will no longer subsidize locals' cigar buying and if they want to smoke cigars they would need to pay same prices outsiders do. Will be interesting to see how people of Cuba react to that.

[M1903A1]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

Cuba used be live better in the days of USSR, once those huge subsidies ended with the fall of USSR Cuba basically started falling apart.

From my reading of Cold War history, the Soviets supported Castro so lavishly solely because of what he represented--a bulwark of Communism on the American enemy's doorstep. Beyond that, they considered him a major pain in the ass, who did as he damn well pleased on the support-of-world-revolution circuit.

Personally, I'd be happy if restrictions were relaxed on the purchase of some items of Cuban origin (to conveniently include cigars) from third-party sources...but that would probably have similar effects to what Klugs cited.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by M1903A1

From my reading of Cold War history, the Soviets supported Castro so lavishly solely because of what he represented--a bulwark of Communism on the American enemy's doorstep. Beyond that, they considered him a major pain in the ass, who did as he damn well pleased on the support-of-world-revolution circuit.

That's how they treated all their vassals, why would Castro be any different. But USSR was awash in cigars and sugar back in those days since Castro had no other means to pay, not that anything changed since.

[Parshooter]

Plus if the embargo is lifted, the fine people of Cuba won't be denied Mo's excellent cannollies

[md4958]

Originally Posted by Parshooter

Plus if the embargo is lifted, the fine people of Cuba won't be denied Mo's excellent cannollies

[GreekGodX]

Originally Posted by Parshooter

Plus if the embargo is lifted, the fine people of Cuba won't be denied Mo's excellent cannollies

Are we talking in the food sense or... ummm nevermind

[M1903A1]

Originally Posted by TheRiddick

That's how they treated all their vassals, why would Castro be any different. But USSR was awash in cigars and sugar back in those days since Castro had no other means to pay, not that anything changed since.

I have a friend who's in the collectible arms business, and has traveled several times to the former Soviet Union on arms-buying expeditions. He has consistently said that Cuban cigars bought over there were among the worst he's ever had.

Reading about Castro's treatment of his Soviet overlords was actually pretty amusing...frequently he was threatening to either expose the latest Soviet military technology, which Castro was offering as assistance to other nations when he wasn't supposed to, or supplying military aid that could ultimately be traced back to the USSR when Moscow didn't want to be caught up in trouble. You could almost imagine the Soviet ministers in the Kremlin and KGB HQ pounding their desks in fury.

[TheRiddick]

Originally Posted by M1903A1

I have a friend who's in the collectible arms business, and has traveled several times to the former Soviet Union on arms-buying expeditions. He has consistently said that Cuban cigars bought over there were among the worst he's ever had.

I am talking about 1960-80s, before USSR fell apart. Back then CCs were cheap and plentiful, actually the only cigars you could buy and "fake" was unheard of since prices for CCs were so cheap it didn't make sense to make fakes. My first memory of CCs was back in 1971, a box of R&J and I can still recall the smell of those cigars (was too young to smoke in '71).

Do a search and read my posts on Cuban cigars in today's Russia, ~99% fake, main reason they are "worst your friend ever had" since they are not even "Cuban" and are produced by some fly-by-night outfits operating in Southern Russia where they grow tobacco. Once USSR fell apart Russia has no reason to deal with Cuba for the most part and although still gives Cuba some money the trade is just a very small fraction of what it used to be. Whatever trickles in from Cuba (trade wise) stays mostly with the "in" crowd, politicians and such, never hitting the retail shelves. Night clubs sell pretty bad fakes that can be easily detected by cursory view from 15 feet away, although sales are esthetically pleasing since they are done via semi-nude young models. Prices are stupid, though, and would be even for real CCs.