Why so hateful lately?

icehog3 · 06-09-2010, 01:08 PM

I haven't seen that much hate at all, except in any thread having to do with Apple.

Mugen910 · 06-09-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I haven't seen that much hate at all, except in any thread having to do with Apple.

maybe Carlos you are a bit sensitive or you are reading too much into other's comments?

Whynot · 06-09-2010, 01:18 PM

I find that without the benefit of facial expression, tone of voice, and body language, many things said in jest or sarcasm on the web can be completely misconstrued. The old adage of think twice before you speak should be applied even more strenuously when typing. I am sarcastic as hell in person, but I am generally pretty careful of what I type on forums for the above reasons.

Blueface · 06-09-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

maybe Carlos you are a bit sensitive or you are reading too much into other's comments?

Not sensitive at all when blatant words as I posted are stated, when things are called moron, gay, stupid and so on.
It depends on what thread you open I guess.
Don't want to specifically call any of them out as not the intent of this thread.

bobarian · 06-09-2010, 02:04 PM

I guess I dont gravitate to those threads because I have not seen those words(moron, gay, stupid) in any recent threads. All boards have their ebbs and flows, as new members come on board they sometimes need to "test" the waters. Others after being members for a certain period feel more comfortable voicing their opinions(no matter how wrong they might be

). I tend not to read reviews anymore, because I know my tastes. But there are a few members whose opinions I value on any subject whether it be cigars, beer or life. I tend to seek those out and bypass the rest.

markem · 06-09-2010, 02:09 PM

I think that this happens from time to time on the best of boards.

My thinking is that the more it is tolerated or ignored, the more it takes hold.

neoflex · 06-09-2010, 02:18 PM

I haven't really noticed anything but I really haven't been on too much the last few weeks just due to lack of free time to jump on the web. This is by far my favorite message board just because everyone is so down to earth and doesn't cut each other down for their opinion and is so friendly to each other. I think in general written words can be taken wrong just because it is hard to tell the tone of a post by just reading what the poster wrote and this a lot of times leads to misinterpretation and can lead to hard feelings when the original message is meant in good fun. Hell I know I have done it with a friend on another board who lives local and sometime I'll call him and be like WTF? Why are you cutting me down on the board? He would than explain it and more often than not I interpreted the tone wrong but sometimes he was being a d*ck.

All in all I think the Asylum has a great group. Not nearly the BS that goes on, on other BBs.

icehog3 · 06-09-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Sure has.
I love you man.
Come on down so I can insult you in person and we can smoke a cigar.

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

yeah Tom. Get your ass to Florida, but do it in november when I am around. Would love to smoke with you, and we can both pick on Carlos at the same time

That sounds like a definite plan, Gents.

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Originally Posted by mash

You're right. I think the only thing we can agree on is that we hate the Hawks. Byfuglien especially.
FWIW Carlos, I am on other cigar boards where the things you mention are much, much worse. Maybe I'm not opening up the right threads, but I think people here are respectful and restrained.

I love me some Byfuglien.....I was reading about him today when I went into the bathroom to take a nice big Pronger.

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Originally Posted by bvilchez

I agree with Carlos. This thread though might be in reference to another thread where I posted something being 'gay'. IMO I personally feel that it was dumb. I thought we can post on this forum without reproach. If it offended others I apologize but I was just posting how I felt about the topic.

If others feel the same way and are offended then sorry. I'll refrain from posting where others might be offended.

Carlos I'll PM you shortly.
Posted via Mobile Device

For the most part, yes, Jay....but we don't allow slang that is offensive based on gender, race or sexual orientation. Some of them slip bu the ToE, but if we see them, they get zapped. Hope you understand.

bvilchez · 06-09-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

That sounds like a definite plan, Gents.

I love me some Byfuglien.....I was reading about him today when I went into the bathroom to take a nice big Pronger.

For the most part, yes, Jay....but we don't allow slang that is offensive based on gender, race or sexual orientation. Some of them slip bu the ToE, but if we see them, they get zapped. Hope you understand.

I gotcha.
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Blueface · 06-09-2010, 02:42 PM

I didn't realize it until this moment that this thread has served to prove a point that some may have missed while others see as clear as day.

If one reads all the posts you will note some agree while some don't in terms of the original post.
If you then consider what most large companies repeatedly preach to their employees, you will understand it does not matter what YOU think about what you said or did.
What matters is how what you said is interpreted by the person perceiving it.

Again, for me, not a big issue as I don't see where I could ever be offended by what one types but truly intended to just bring light that not everyone feels the same and not everyone perceives things as you do.

Just a bit of employee HR training for CA at no charge.

06-09-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Fernando

yeah Tom. Get your ass to Florida, but do it in november when I am around. Would love to smoke with you, and we can both pick on Carlos at the same time

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Originally Posted by icehog3

That sounds like a definite plan, Gents.

November herf in Florida at Carlos's?!?

MiamiE · 06-09-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mugen910

maybe Carlos you are a bit sensitive or you are reading too much into other's comments?

You obviously don't know Carlos!

wolfandwhisky · 06-09-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I haven't seen that much hate at all, except in any thread having to do with Apple.

bashing and offensive language should be perfectly acceptable in the Apple thread

captain53 · 06-10-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I haven't seen that much hate at all, except in any thread having to do with Apple.

but to be nice he ain't stupid! I mean sometimes we don't agree and say so but I have not seen much of anything extreme at all. As someone else mentioned it does look to me like the posts have dropped way off in the past couple of months, especially from some of the long standing members but don't think it is "hate" just figured it to be burnout or something.

KenS · 06-10-2010, 01:28 PM

It is really interesting to see the specific reaction to Apple. As I am in IT (and an iPhone developer), I see it all the time. For some reason, which I really don't want to debate

, there is polar love/hate thing that goes on with Mac/PC and now iPhone/Android. In technology forums, any comment thread is littered with hate in one direction or the other. I just amazes me how passionate people get about a damn phone or computer

The difference here is that these are side topics to our main reason for being here. I hope the trust and respect on this board can buffer those other topics some. Hate to have them banned like the political threads are.

Now, who says NC's are as good as CC's? You must be crazy

poker · 06-10-2010, 01:52 PM

Some folks have stated it seems posts have dropped off recently, and it has a bit. Not much really, but it has.

But if you look at May '09 compared to May '10, its almost identical.

Starscream · 06-10-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

I haven't seen that much hate at all, except in any thread having to do with Apple.

And fix chat threads...

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Originally Posted by KenS

The difference here is that these are side topics to our main reason for being here. I hope the trust and respect on this board can buffer those other topics some. Hate to have them banned like the political threads are.

Now, who says NC's are as good as CC's? You must be crazy

This is a cigar forum, but most of the participation comes from categories not related to cigars nowadays. Nothing wrong with that at all, as long as we remember that cigars are the common bond that brought us all together.

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Originally Posted by poker

Some folks have stated it seems posts have dropped off recently, and it has a bit. Not much really, but it has.

But if you look at May '09 compared to May '10, its almost identical.

That was me, Kelly. I didn't look at actual post counts, and it may be just my imagination that the site has slowed down a bit in participation and discussion. It may just be me, but there used to be days when I could spend a couple of hours on this site in discussion, but lately I can spend less than an hour and cover most of the site. Not that that's a bad thing. I post too much anyway.

EDIT: Upon review of this post, it seems like my thoughts may be seen as a bit negative. I didn't intend for them to be taken that way. Just to let everyone know that I do love this place! Best thing on the intranets!

06-10-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by poker

Some folks have stated it seems posts have dropped off recently, and it has a bit. Not much really, but it has.

But if you look at May '09 compared to May '10, its almost identical.

Count might be off there. You're missing 10 days of May 09.

I work for Microsoft and own an iPhone. Let the hate flow.

Dunno. Only been here for a few weeks, but I haven't really seen any negativity. For the most part everything is super positive and supportive. As some mentioned, certian topics are going to spark disagreement just by their nature. Best thing to do is just to avoid getting pulled in to any flame wars. Plenty of other stuff to talk about.

wolfandwhisky · 06-10-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KenS

It is really interesting to see the specific reaction to Apple. As I am in IT (and an iPhone developer), I see it all the time. For some reason, which I really don't want to debate

, there is polar love/hate thing that goes on with Mac/PC and now iPhone/Android. In technology forums, any comment thread is littered with hate in one direction or the other. I just amazes me how passionate people get about a damn phone or computer

...

It's not the hardware that is the problem (or the applications, except for the itunes store... hate that thing...

)

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Originally Posted by Dark Jester

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I work for Microsoft and own an iPhone. Let the hate flow.

...

Traitor. When is my Zune Phone coming out?

ok, ok... I know... threadjack, and not only that, a threadjack espousing the exact opposite of the goal of the thread.

06-09-2010, 01:08 PM	#1
icehog3 Admiral Douchebag Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Tom Location: Clermont, Kentucky Posts: 71,904 Trading: (60)	Re: Why so hateful lately? I haven't seen that much hate at all, except in any thread having to do with Apple. __________________ Thanks Dave, Julian, James, Kelly, Peter, Gerry, Dave, Mo, Frank, Týr and Mr. Mark!

06-09-2010, 01:18 PM	#3
Whynot Living the dream... Join Date: Nov 2009 First Name: Aaron Location: New Mexico Posts: 175 Trading: (11)	Re: Why so hateful lately? I find that without the benefit of facial expression, tone of voice, and body language, many things said in jest or sarcasm on the web can be completely misconstrued. The old adage of think twice before you speak should be applied even more strenuously when typing. I am sarcastic as hell in person, but I am generally pretty careful of what I type on forums for the above reasons. __________________ "My time coming, any day, don't worry bout me, no. Been so long I felt this way, ain't in no hurry, no"

06-09-2010, 02:04 PM	#5
bobarian Cranky Habanophile Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Wine Country Posts: 8,869 Trading: (51)	Re: Why so hateful lately? I guess I dont gravitate to those threads because I have not seen those words(moron, gay, stupid) in any recent threads. All boards have their ebbs and flows, as new members come on board they sometimes need to "test" the waters. Others after being members for a certain period feel more comfortable voicing their opinions(no matter how wrong they might be). I tend not to read reviews anymore, because I know my tastes. But there are a few members whose opinions I value on any subject whether it be cigars, beer or life. I tend to seek those out and bypass the rest.

06-09-2010, 02:09 PM	#6
markem Bunion Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Mark Location: Second Star on the Right Posts: 22,653 Trading: (47)	Re: Why so hateful lately? I think that this happens from time to time on the best of boards. My thinking is that the more it is tolerated or ignored, the more it takes hold. __________________ I refuse to belong to any organization that would have me as a member. ~ Groucho Marx

06-09-2010, 02:18 PM	#7
neoflex I'm nuts for the place Join Date: Nov 2008 First Name: John Location: Monroe, NC Posts: 2,765 Trading: (32)	Re: Why so hateful lately? I haven't really noticed anything but I really haven't been on too much the last few weeks just due to lack of free time to jump on the web. This is by far my favorite message board just because everyone is so down to earth and doesn't cut each other down for their opinion and is so friendly to each other. I think in general written words can be taken wrong just because it is hard to tell the tone of a post by just reading what the poster wrote and this a lot of times leads to misinterpretation and can lead to hard feelings when the original message is meant in good fun. Hell I know I have done it with a friend on another board who lives local and sometime I'll call him and be like WTF? Why are you cutting me down on the board? He would than explain it and more often than not I interpreted the tone wrong but sometimes he was being a d*ck. All in all I think the Asylum has a great group. Not nearly the BS that goes on, on other BBs. __________________

06-09-2010, 02:42 PM	#10
Blueface Gramps 4x's Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Horatio Seymore Hiny Location: Boca Raton - North of La Habana Posts: 8,774 Trading: (8)	Re: Why so hateful lately? I didn't realize it until this moment that this thread has served to prove a point that some may have missed while others see as clear as day. If one reads all the posts you will note some agree while some don't in terms of the original post. If you then consider what most large companies repeatedly preach to their employees, you will understand it does not matter what YOU think about what you said or did. What matters is how what you said is interpreted by the person perceiving it. Again, for me, not a big issue as I don't see where I could ever be offended by what one types but truly intended to just bring light that not everyone feels the same and not everyone perceives things as you do. Just a bit of employee HR training for CA at no charge. __________________ Little known fact: I am a former member of the Village People - The Indian

06-10-2010, 01:28 PM	#15
KenS When do I get my meds? Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 898 Trading: (26)	Re: Why so hateful lately? It is really interesting to see the specific reaction to Apple. As I am in IT (and an iPhone developer), I see it all the time. For some reason, which I really don't want to debate , there is polar love/hate thing that goes on with Mac/PC and now iPhone/Android. In technology forums, any comment thread is littered with hate in one direction or the other. I just amazes me how passionate people get about a damn phone or computer The difference here is that these are side topics to our main reason for being here. I hope the trust and respect on this board can buffer those other topics some. Hate to have them banned like the political threads are. Now, who says NC's are as good as CC's? You must be crazy __________________ For the record, Massholes (especially adopted Massholes) do not have to root for the damn Red Sox.