A Real World Solution To the Gulf Oil Spills

[thebayratt]

Whats gonna be interesting is they are guessing it could be stopped by August......... that must be when BP will be run out of money and then the US Government will bail them out next, BP will have no responsibility for it, and wash thier hands clean of it and us on the Gulf Coast will be stuck with the devistation its starting to cause......

I tell u this much, we used to go to a BP gas station and get Diesel for our work trucks and food in the morning.......... haven't been there in a few weeks now...

[Thrak]

Originally Posted by thebayratt

Whats gonna be interesting is they are guessing it could be stopped by August......... that must be when BP will be run out of money and then the US Government will bail them out next, BP will have no responsibility for it, and wash thier hands clean of it and us on the Gulf Coast will be stuck with the devistation its starting to cause......

No, August is when the two relief wells will be completed.

Do you think its 100% BP's fault? Transocean was the company doing the drilling. Transocean was the one that lost people on the rig. The government was the one watching **** and going to ball games instead of "regulating". The government was the one that issued the permits. The government was the one that gave that rig safety awards.

BP is getting blamed, but I'm not so sure they're the responsibe party, they're just the biggest name.

Originally Posted by Thrak

No, August is when the two relief wells will be completed.

Do you think its 100% BP's fault? Transocean was the company doing the drilling. Transocean was the one that lost people on the rig. The government was the one watching **** and going to ball games instead of "regulating". The government was the one that issued the permits. The government was the one that gave that rig safety awards.

BP is getting blamed, but I'm not so sure they're the responsibe party, they're just the biggest name.

Why not hold them responsible? They have the contracts for that well. Their the general on this job. Their the ones that make multi-millions if not billions in profits each year. I hear Rush Limbaugh (and others) give lip service to things like: personal responsibility and family values. This is when we can prove that those are real values and not just lies. Lets stop rewarding the criminals in society. Stop the bailout for companies that conduct their business in incompetent ways then ask for tarp funds because their "too big to fail". Stop rewarding federal law breakers with citizenship. I don't see BP saying "were sorry" by lowering the price of gas. Personal responsibility is not just for people. It's for companies also.

[MortonMilo]

Originally Posted by catfish2

I don't see BP saying "were sorry" by lowering the price of gas. Personal responsibility is not just for people. It's for companies also.

I agree they should be held responsible, as the oil pollution act of 1990 would dictate.

As a side note to the above, the oil companies don't "set" the gas/oil/diesel prices. They are typically based on the futures prices that are traded on exchanges. The "market" allows for the price equilibrium. The participants include banks, individual traders, pension funds, hedge funds, etc in addition to the oil players.

[Thrak]

Originally Posted by catfish2

Why not hold them responsible? They have the contracts for that well. Their the general on this job. Their the ones that make multi-millions if not billions in profits each year. I hear Rush Limbaugh (and others) give lip service to things like: personal responsibility and family values. This is when we can prove that those are real values and not just lies. Lets stop rewarding the criminals in society. Stop the bailout for companies that conduct their business in incompetent ways then ask for tarp funds because their "too big to fail". Stop rewarding federal law breakers with citizenship. I don't see BP saying "were sorry" by lowering the price of gas. Personal responsibility is not just for people. It's for companies also.

Wow lots to go over here... First, I never said 'dont hold them responsible', I said I'm not sure they are the ones responsible for the problem at hand.

Do you think other companies (Transocean for ex.) dont 'make multi-millions if not billions' each year being the drilling company? I fail to see where profits apply to the situation.

Companies do have an obligation, but are you implying that you dont think BP is doing their best? Do you think BP engineers, manufactures and assembles all the drilling equipment? I'm not really sure what you point is here, since I know they're working as hard and as quickly as possible... do you think these parts just come out of thin air?

The bailouts are something totally different and I'm not going to touch on them (even though I mostly agree w/ you). I havent heard anyone, anywhere, say BP is going to get bailed out so I dont even know why you're bringing that up.

Same with citizenship... you seem to have alot of angst and dont know where to direct it.

Let me try and clear my position a little. I believe that ALL the companies involved should be held responsible to the degree that they were involved. I'm just saying that just because BP sub-contracted out the work, that doesn't lessen their part. One of the things that could have been used that might have stopped this (and I stress might). Was acoustic valves. Bp from what I understand didn't want to use them because they cost about $200,000.00 a pop. Sounds kind of cheap at this point, doesn't it. Now this is where I'm going to be called crazy . But, I believe that the best long term solution is to open up some of those black budget military projects and develop the energy source for the future. This country became what it is in part because of innovation. The abacus was replaced by the slide rule, then the calculator then the computer. The horse and carriage was replaced by the automobile. If we don't develop it some other country will. Then we will be left behind wondering what happened.
Right now the number one goal should be to stop the leak. The number two goal should be clean up.

[longknocker]

Originally Posted by catfish2

Let me try and clear my position a little. I believe that ALL the companies involved should be held responsible to the degree that they were involved. I'm just saying that just because BP sub-contracted out the work, that doesn't lessen their part. One of the things that could have been used that might have stopped this (and I stress might). Was acoustic valves. Bp from what I understand didn't want to use them because they cost about $200,000.00 a pop. Sounds kind of cheap at this point, doesn't it. Now this is where I'm going to be called crazy . But, I believe that the best long term solution is to open up some of those black budget military projects and develop the energy source for the future. This country became what it is in part because of innovation. The abacus was replaced by the slide rule, then the calculator then the computer. The horse and carriage was replaced by the automobile. If we don't develop it some other country will. Then we will be left behind wondering what happened.
Right now the number one goal should be to stop the leak. The number two goal should be clean up.

I Agree, Don! We Definitely Need To Work Quickly To Find Other Energy Sources!

[MortonMilo]

Originally Posted by catfish2

This country became what it is in part because of innovation. The abacus was replaced by the slide rule, then the calculator then the computer. The horse and carriage was replaced by the automobile. If we don't develop it some other country will. Then we will be left behind wondering what happened.
Right now the number one goal should be to stop the leak. The number two goal should be clean up.

Well said.

[GTCanuk]

Should pull all deep drilling permits from all companies until they prove they can deal with issues when they arrive.

[MortonMilo]

Originally Posted by thebayratt

I tell u this much, we used to go to a BP gas station and get Diesel for our work trucks and food in the morning.......... haven't been there in a few weeks now...

Boycotting bp stations doesn't necessarily hurt their bottom line. Bp doesn't own many of the bp branded filling stations, as they are franchised out. Most of the major oil companies are moving this direction and selling their stations. The way oil companies trade oil and gasoline, you have as good of a chance filling up with bp made gasoline at an Exxon station as you do at a bp. Only person that gets hurt in a boycott is the franchisee.