real or psychosematic

Razorhog · 02-23-2010, 10:04 AM

I haven't had experience with CC's either. (only a couple but they could have been fakes). One thing I find troublesome is that people put cigars into two groups: Cubans and Non-Cubans. Of course Cubans have a distinctive flavor profile - just like any other puro does. And of course, NC's have more flavor diversity - they come from a large variety of climates/countries.
The only thing that is different is that Cubans are illegal in the United States. Well, that and the belief some folks have that Cuba is the optimal climate for growing tobacco. Just like regions of France are considered to be the optimal climate for growing grapes. Wine from California and other regions can be good too, but I imagine if there was an embargo on French wine, more people would consider it the best.

icehog3 · 02-23-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Razorhog

The only thing that is different is that Cubans are illegal in the United States. Well, that and the belief some folks have that Cuba is the optimal climate for growing tobacco. Just like regions of France are considered to be the optimal climate for growing grapes. Wine from California and other regions can be good too, but I imagine if there was an embargo on French wine, more people would consider it the best.

Kind of a stretch, Beau....I consider Cubans the best (for me) because of their taste, not their legal status, and I am sure many others with lots of experience with both CCs and NCs do too. And many people do consider French wine the best even though there is no French Embargo. Me? I'll stick to beer, vodka and rum.

Razorhog · 02-23-2010, 10:20 AM

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Kind of a stretch, Beau....I consider Cubans the best (for me) because of their taste, not their legal status, and I am sure many others with lots of experience with both CCs and NCs do too.

A stretch, yes, and perhaps I stated that incorrectly. Just wanted to state that there is a certain "forbidden fruit" factor to Cubans.
The point I was trying to make is that it is grossly unfair to lump cigars into two categories: Cubans and Non-Cubans, when the latter is such a diverse group geographically.

akumushi · 02-23-2010, 10:39 AM

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A stretch, yes, and perhaps I stated that incorrectly. Just wanted to state that there is a certain "forbidden fruit" factor to Cubans.
The point I was trying to make is that it is grossly unfair to lump cigars into two categories: Cubans and Non-Cubans, when the latter is such a diverse group geographically.

I think the "forbidden fruit" angle is highly exagerated by those for whom CCs are a forbidden fruit. Once you have several boxes of CCs in your humidor next to several boxes of NCs, your own tastes are going to take over. The CCs won't taste any better just because you got them illegally. The CCs in my humidor are not "forbidden fruit" any more than the NCs, because I have twice as many CCs and I know where to get more if I wanted to, so the fact that I keep reaching for them is solely predicated on my subjective tastes.

icehog3 · 02-23-2010, 04:19 PM

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wtf! Is this common??? I'm seriously a little freaked out that my next CC is going to be the one that turns me loony.

I have never heard of anything like it before, Jeff, and certainly never experienced it or seen it experienced. My guess, with no disrespect meant to Thomas, is that something else besides a CC contributed to whatever he experienced.

Razorhog · 02-23-2010, 04:23 PM

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I have never heard of anything like it before, Jeff, and certainly never experienced it or seen it experienced. My guess, with no disrespect meant to Thomas, is that something else besides a CC contributed to whatever he experienced.

Never heard of that before either, but a google search turns up a lot on the subject. Apparently there is a natural Lithium content in the soil in Cuba.

icehog3 · 02-23-2010, 04:26 PM

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Never heard of that before either, but a google search turns up a lot on the subject. Apparently there is a natural Lithium content in the soil in Cuba.

I have read that, but also heard from people who have much more scientific knowledge than I ever will that any Lithium content in a cigar would be negligible.

McSmokey · 02-23-2010, 10:22 AM

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Kind of a stretch, Beau....I consider Cubans the best (for me) because of their taste, not their legal status, and I am sure many others with lots of experience with both CCs and NCs do too. And many people do consider French wine the best even though there is no French Embargo. Me? I'll stick to beer, vodka and rum.

Except for the vodka part just giver me whiskey or bourbon

shilala · 02-23-2010, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

Kind of a stretch, Beau....I consider Cubans the best (for me) because of their taste, not their legal status, and I am sure many others with lots of experience with both CCs and NCs do too. And many people do consider French wine the best even though there is no French Embargo. Me? I'll stick to beer, vodka and rum.

I agree with you and Clayton, Tom.
If you check out some of the other sites, you'll see a huge amount of ccnobery. It's definately real, and based in machoism and ignorance. Kinda sad and pathetic, but it's what it is.
I think that kind of stuff is what Beau is referring to.
It's cool that that attitude isn't prevalent here, unless you say something about wine.

Fortunately the guys here don't need a cigar to "define" them. It's nice, and refreshing.

JJG · 02-23-2010, 03:19 PM

I also have to agree with Tom, Clayton and everyone else on the nose smoking thing. CCs in general, but not always, tend to be much smoother with a highly satisfying and complex aroma.

However, I don't think reputation or their less than legal status make them taste better. I agree that taste is subjective and a matter of personal opinion, but let's keep in mind that Habanos are legal everywhere outside the US.

also, can we rewind back to this statement?

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The only true "difference" I've noticed is the higher lithium content in CC tobacco (due to soil conditions), which does not affect the taste, but does alter my mood more than NCs. A good thing? Sometimes, but I did have one "bad trip" after a CC, when my haid was all #^@&ed up for three days afterwards.

wtf! Is this common??? I'm seriously a little freaked out that my next CC is going to be the one that turns me loony.

02-23-2010, 10:04 AM	#1
Razorhog Feeling at Home Join Date: Jul 2009 First Name: Beau Location: NE Arkansas Posts: 600 Trading: (4)	Re: real or psychosematic I haven't had experience with CC's either. (only a couple but they could have been fakes). One thing I find troublesome is that people put cigars into two groups: Cubans and Non-Cubans. Of course Cubans have a distinctive flavor profile - just like any other puro does. And of course, NC's have more flavor diversity - they come from a large variety of climates/countries. The only thing that is different is that Cubans are illegal in the United States. Well, that and the belief some folks have that Cuba is the optimal climate for growing tobacco. Just like regions of France are considered to be the optimal climate for growing grapes. Wine from California and other regions can be good too, but I imagine if there was an embargo on French wine, more people would consider it the best.