If defense wins championships....

Blueface · 01-13-2010, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Resipsa

NFL network has a show on the biggest myths in football, defense wins championships is 3 on the list. Catch it when you can.

Your post kind of proves the point that it's a myth, eg something people just "believe" even though it's not true, sorry CRlos

Will look for it but boy does that myth resonate with me with many teams I recall in my lifetime.

Let's see.......Steelers, Giants ('86 and '91 teams), Ravens, Bears, just to mention a few. It was their dominant defense that solidified their wins.

01-13-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Will look for it but boy does that myth resonate with me with many teams I recall in my lifetime.

Let's see.......Steelers, Giants ('86 and '91 teams), Ravens, Bears, just to mention a few. It was their dominant defense that solidified their wins.

43 superbowl winners of those 28 scored
AT LEAST 25 points in the SB, 21 scored 30 points or more. Offenses won those games brother, not defenses

Blueface · 01-13-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Resipsa

43 superbowl winners of those 28 scored
AT LEAST 25 points in the SB, 21 scored 30 points or more. Offenses won those games brother, not defenses

Vic,
That doesn't account for points scored by defenses.
That only accounts for points scored in general.
Need more convincing.

01-13-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

Vic,
That doesn't account for points scored by defenses.
That only accounts for points scored in general.
Need more convincing.

Do your research Carlos, I'm not doing it for you,

http://www.superbowlhistory.net/superbowl/scores.php

Look at the boxscores. Frequently you'll see even the LOSING team rolled up over 400 or close to 400 yards of offense. Yes, there are the anomalies, but the majority of the games are clearly won by the offense, not the defense, and the losing teams offense had plenty of success against the winning teams defense.

Just look at two of the past 3 SB's. Last year the Steelers had a supposedly "great" defense, yet they gave up over 400 yards of offense to the Cardinals. The D didn't win that game, the Steelers offense did.

In 2006 the Bears supposedly had a "great" defense. The Colts rolled over them to the tune of 430 yards and an easy win.

Blueface · 01-13-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Resipsa

Do your research Carlos, I'm not doing it for you,

http://www.superbowlhistory.net/superbowl/scores.php

Look at the boxscores. Frequently you'll see even the LOSING team rolled up over 400 or close to 400 yards of offense. Yes, there are the anomalies, but the majority of the games are clearly won by the offense, not the defense, and the losing teams offense had plenty of success against the winning teams defense.

Just look at two of the past 3 SB's. Last year the Steelers had a supposedly "great" defense, yet they gave up over 400 yards of offense to the Cardinals. The D didn't win that game, the Steelers offense did.

In 2006 the Bears supposedly had a "great" defense. The Colts rolled over them to the tune of 430 yards and an easy win.

I am still not convinced.

Vigiles · 01-13-2010, 03:01 PM

There is no way that those statistics can say one way or the other that defenses don't win championships.

If the steelers defense wasn't great last year, they wouldn't have MADE it to the superbowl.

Raiders vs Tampa Bay a few years ago, great defense vs great offense, tampa ROLLED over Oakland. But then look at your examples, also valid points.

Super bowl yards or scores can't say what does or doesn't win championships, those teams are supposed to be the two best that year, so should either one not be able to score? Its not like last year it was pittsburgh vs detroit and the lions put up the numbers that Arizona did.

Vigiles · 01-13-2010, 03:02 PM

Also, I'm pretty sure James Harrison, who scored a 100 yard touchdown, played on the Defense last year...

01-17-2010, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueface

I am still not convinced.

How about now?

Colts offense, Ravens D.....who won brother?

Vigiles · 01-17-2010, 05:33 AM

To be honest, the ravens defense wasn't that good this year. Not like in years past.

And I would say that the colts defense played VERY well.

If you listen to some sports analysts, they say that the NFL (through its new rules, etc) has made having a very dominant defense impossible.

01-13-2010, 03:01 PM	#6
Vigiles Still Watching My Back Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Garrett Location: VA Posts: 183 Trading: (3)	Re: If defense wins championships.... There is no way that those statistics can say one way or the other that defenses don't win championships. If the steelers defense wasn't great last year, they wouldn't have MADE it to the superbowl. Raiders vs Tampa Bay a few years ago, great defense vs great offense, tampa ROLLED over Oakland. But then look at your examples, also valid points. Super bowl yards or scores can't say what does or doesn't win championships, those teams are supposed to be the two best that year, so should either one not be able to score? Its not like last year it was pittsburgh vs detroit and the lions put up the numbers that Arizona did.

01-13-2010, 03:02 PM	#7
Vigiles Still Watching My Back Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Garrett Location: VA Posts: 183 Trading: (3)	Re: If defense wins championships.... Also, I'm pretty sure James Harrison, who scored a 100 yard touchdown, played on the Defense last year...

01-17-2010, 05:33 AM	#9
Vigiles Still Watching My Back Join Date: Dec 2009 First Name: Garrett Location: VA Posts: 183 Trading: (3)	Re: If defense wins championships.... To be honest, the ravens defense wasn't that good this year. Not like in years past. And I would say that the colts defense played VERY well. If you listen to some sports analysts, they say that the NFL (through its new rules, etc) has made having a very dominant defense impossible.