The new bold

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Is it just me? Has the full-bodied/strong crowd passed me by? I don't think so. It can be a lot of factors... temperature, your own pallet, etc. Understood. See below.

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them? Yes and No. YMMV on which you consider this, but as an industry whole I don't think that is the case. I wasn't referring to the industry as a whole, but to just a few brands/makers that seem to be pushing that "strength" envelope.[/i]

Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around? Could be, but then again most NC's have been aged to a certain point. Yeah, I know they have been aged for a while before release, but it is also true that I have seen NCs have some serious change after a couple months and/or years.

Or...(you have another idea)???? How long have you noticed this phenomenon? Is it recent? Take a look at things that may have changed in your own life or in your own environment. I have noticed changes in blends/cigars that I have enjoyed for years, but they are rather subtle. There are some cigars that I enjoyed, but no longer find exciting. Neither of this is what I am asking about. I am speaking of the popularity of new cigars on the scene which tout themselves as full-bodied and/or bold and/or strong cigars. Like I said, I love strong cigars, have for many years. This is something different though.

Originally Posted by wayner123

Hopefully that helps a bit. I would love to know the factors and timing around this observation of yours.

I would say that this is something I noticed in the last few (2-3) years. I know that there is a trend in American cigar smoking that the preferred smokes have been getting stronger. I am not talking about a broad generalization of the whole industry, but about a few select brands which I have smoked that make a think about their strength, and in that strength there was not much in the way of "enjoyable" flavors.

Peace of the Lord be with you.

[wayner123]

Originally Posted by RevSmoke

Or, are there full/strong cigars out there that don't have much else going for them? Yes and No. YMMV on which you consider this, but as an industry whole I don't think that is the case. I wasn't referring to the industry as a whole, but to just a few brands/makers that seem to be pushing that "strength" envelope.

Which brands are these? That would help me out a lot in understanding, as there are hundreds of brands/lines to choose from.

Or, maybe they'll age all right and come around? Could be, but then again most NC's have been aged to a certain point. Yeah, I know they have been aged for a while before release, but it is also true that I have seen NCs have some serious change after a couple months and/or years.

I understood you to mean if the strength/harshness would go away. If that is what you mean, then some will some won't. I can say over the years I can count on one hand the amount of smokes that went through "serious" change from aging. But again, that's just my experience.

Or...(you have another idea)???? How long have you noticed this phenomenon? Is it recent? Take a look at things that may have changed in your own life or in your own environment. I have noticed changes in blends/cigars that I have enjoyed for years, but they are rather subtle. There are some cigars that I enjoyed, but no longer find exciting. Neither of this is what I am asking about. I am speaking of the popularity of new cigars on the scene which tout themselves as full-bodied and/or bold and/or strong cigars. Like I said, I love strong cigars, have for many years. This is something different though.

Again, which brands and vitolas are talking about?

To add as well, a good number of brands have also begun to make milder lines of their cigars as well. I call it the "macanudo money" share. They know that there are a good number of people who prefer milder cigars as well.

[RevSmoke]

Originally Posted by wayner123

To add as well, a good number of brands have also begun to make milder lines of their cigars as well. I call it the "macanudo money" share. They know that there are a good number of people who prefer milder cigars as well.

I am guessing that you and I have been smoking cigars a lot longer that some others here have - if I remember correctly, that is.

I'm not going to post that whole other thing here, but will try to summarize. To which cigars am I referring? Well, I guess the first to come to mind is the Cain line. I have had two of them and both struck me as pure power (and a bit harsh/bitter at that), and while there might have been some nice flavors there, the simple strength overwhelmed what might have been flavor or finesse.

The other was a couple La Flor Dominicana Double Ligeros that I tried. Although, I smoked one which had been sitting in my humidor for over a year and it much more flavorful and smooth - it wasn't just a harsh strong stick.

Then, upon thinking back, I have had Illusione, Pepin, and Joya de Nicaraugua sticks which struck me with this same thought.

I have tried to examine whether mood, surroundings, or other things have made an impact, but nothing seems to stick out in my mind.


There are some others as well which struch me that way, but these are the ones

[jaymz]

Originally Posted by icehog3

I thought the LFDs I smoked some time back had pretty decent flavor as well.

One cigar I was sad to see sacrifice flavor for more power, IMHO, was when they changes the blend on the La Aroma de Cubas.

Originally Posted by stitch

I couldn't agree more ... They screwed up one of my all time favorites just for the sake of putting "Pepin" on it.

I thought just the "Edition Especial" was a different blend.

I've enjoyed couple of the older LADC's i've had and was thinking about making that my next box purchase.