A kick in the nuts due to new law....

Originally Posted by tobii3

Larry -

Can we vote on evicting the jacka$$es next door at ""Hot Yoga""????

The Salsa Place LOVES the business we bring him...I still remember the Pepin event when that guy reeking of the 3 week old jockstrap said the smoke was "bothering him"...come to think of it....I haven't seen him lately....

Actually since the new owner bought the place there haven't been any problems.

You know why don't you, when you and I weren't looking "Skills" took care of him....for good!

[acruce]

Originally Posted by 68TriShield

This is the best solution I have found so far.Nothing will help with the smoke nazis though
After trying a Kerosene Heater and salamander type. I found this to be fast heating and it runs up to two weeks on a tank.
That's with going out most every evening for a two or three hours.
Normally I only use one side.

Make sure you have good ventilation!

Is this safe to use in the garage with out allot of ventilation

[Skywalker]

I hate it when that happens!!!

[Chris.]

Originally Posted by Namerifrats

I really think this decision should have been left up to the individual property owners. I guess I could go along with the restaurants being completely smoke free in some cases. Mostly because of so many inconsiderate cigarette smokers.....alot of them have no standards and even tend to light up in a non smoking section. As far as a bar goes....give me a break! I've read all these comments on these news site "I hate smelling like a bar when I get home". Well....how about not going to a bar if you don't want to smell like one! It is what it is! Go to McDonalds eat inside, you'll likely smell like french fries when you come out. I think bars, and businesses not serving food should not have been affected.

Exactly how I stand on it. I don't think smoking should be okay in restaurants unless you are sitting outside on a porch/patio and there are no kids around. A bar, is a place where people get drunk and wild anyways, so why not smoke? You don't bring your damn kids to a bar. If you don't want to be around smoke, don't go to a bar. And to impose these laws on businesses that rely on tobacco sale and allowing their customers to stay and smoke/drink/hang out is ridiculous and detrimental to tons of B&Ms.

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

Yep. A b&m has to be in a free-standing building with no other stores joining it. A no smoking b&m is more common than most think. This new law was passed back in June.

I remember when this one passed. I thought a business could pay a $200 fine and not worry about it for a while.

Originally Posted by NCRadioMan

It happens when people don't pay attention to what their fascist gubment is doing to them. This state has been in trouble for a while. I can't tell you how many people I have spoken with in the past few days that knew nothing of the new law.

No offense to any of you yankees here at CA (I love you all, even the Massholes), but NC has had way too many carpetbaggers move into this state over the past two decades. They brought the no-smoking and other legislation with them.

Originally Posted by Ratters

That's what I'm using, works great. Lowes has them for around eighty bucks.

I'll have to check into one of these.

Originally Posted by acruce

Is this safe to use in the garage with out allot of ventilation

There are two different types of propane heaters sold, vent free, and those that need to have good ventilation.

There are some pretty good vent free setups that would work great in your garage. Here is a good example of one

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...Product%20Page

[loki]

Originally Posted by hotreds

I would be and am all in favor of no smoking in a restaurant. But laws have taken the ban to a level of stupidity that boggles the mind.

I'm all for the OWNERS right to decide what goes on in his establishment. The GOVERNMENT telling him what to do is another story

When the government has too much control, it moves from democracy to communism. The direction we appear to be heading in.....

[joeobx]

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...Product%20Page

I just pick up one of these a couple of days ago, works good for knocking the cold off. I have one of the parabolic dish that I let run most of the night and use the Heater Buddy to compensate in between. As with any thing with a open flame you need a little ventilation.The Heater Buddy states on the box safe for indoor use, instructions say to crack a window. If this helps my garage is 20x20 with 12' ceiling and I'm in a t shirt @ 28* outside

[neoflex]

Hmmm, wonder how that will effect one of Tinder Boxes flagship stores for the Charlotte area, which is in the Southpark Mall.
I went to a bar last night for the fight and felt like I was back in NY. No cigarette smell and you could see clear across to the other side of the bar. I did chuckle when the heat kicked on because you could than smell the smoke that was in the system from before the ban. Not too many bars let you smoke cigars in them but I knew of a couple and will miss it. One bar in Gastonia would even let a group of us hang out and smoke for hours on end. It's too bad the ban passed. When I moved here almost three years ago I thought for sure this would be one of the last states that would impose a smoking ban. Like most other things in life, I guess I was wrong.

Originally Posted by Namerifrats

When the government has too much control, it moves from democracy to communism. The direction we appear to be heading in.....

BINGO, Control and power..Control and power.

[Salvelinus]

Having never been able to smoke in a b&m here I can't imagine what the feeling of having that chance taken away would be. Kick in the nuts probably sums it up pretty well.

Originally Posted by Salvelinus

Kick in the nuts probably sums it up pretty well.

That's the way I see it

[Chris.]

I say everyone should just move to South Carolina to smoke with the rest of us until we take on the same stupid trend.

[troutbreath]

Originally Posted by Namerifrats

That's the way I see it

Which store were you at when this happened? I rarely shop in the Winston-Salem area just because there seems to be a limited selection. Maybe I have missed a place.

And I agree that this ban stinks. I rarely ever smoke at dinner, but would love to enjoy a cigar and scotch in a bar on occasion. Shame that cannot happen in NC.

Originally Posted by troutbreath

Which store were you at when this happened? I rarely shop in the Winston-Salem area just because there seems to be a limited selection. Maybe I have missed a place.

And I agree that this ban stinks. I rarely ever smoke at dinner, but would love to enjoy a cigar and scotch in a bar on occasion. Shame that cannot happen in NC.

The Pipe & Pint in Greensboro. I haven't found an actual "Tobacconist" in Winston-Salem, much less any sort of lounge. Just a few smoke shops that carry some cigars. Only B&M's in Winston I've ever purchased from are Tobacco Leaf over near Jonestown Rd. and Pipes Etc. at Thruway Plaza. I live down off of Hickory Tree Rd., there is a small smoke shop about 2 minutes from the house called R&R Tobacco & News. They carry a decent assortment of premium cigars.

[CigarNut]

This is the same thing that happened in Oregon 1/1/2009. A new statewide law (ban, really) went into effect:

• No smoking withing 10 feet of any door or window of a public establishment. If someone smokes within 10 feet of a business, and someone else complains, the business owner is fined. Ridiculous! Why should a business owner be required to police the public property outside their doors??
• No smoking anything other than cigars at existing cigar bars
• No new cigar bars - Only cigar bars with established cigar-related revenues in 2006 can be cigar bars after 1/1/2009 -- lots of places closed due to this
• Only 40 people allowed in a cigar bar (regardless of actual capacity). This caused several cigar bars to stop allowing cigars due to the loss of revenue
• Ad infinitum

One of the major justifications for this is "employee safety" -- employees required to work in an unsafe (second-hand-smoke environment). If you don't like working in a smoky room, get a job elsewhere...

The Oregon Bar Owners association has complained to the legislature because their business is off 29%. The Oregon Lottery revenue from Video Poker is down 20%. Several of the B&M cigar stores are no longer able to allow smoking so their revenue is off... (have to be a free-standing building, ventilation requirements, etc. that most B&Ms cannot meet -- particularly the free-standing building requirement).

What ever happened to people voting with their feet/dollars? If you don't like a restaurant or business due to smoking or non-smoking requirements, you take your business elsewhere.

I used to have a choice of at least a dozen cigar-friendly places to eat or drink within a reasonable drive. Now I have two in the winter and a third in the summer.

Like many others, I went out and got propane heaters for my deck, so as long as it is not too windy or wet, I can smoke out there. If it is windy or wet I can smoke in the garage, but I have to be careful about smoke getting into the house from the furnace intake...

[troutbreath]

Originally Posted by Namerifrats

The Pipe & Pint in Greensboro. I haven't found an actual "Tobacconist" in Winston-Salem, much less any sort of lounge. Just a few smoke shops that carry some cigars. Only B&M's in Winston I've ever purchased from are Tobacco Leaf over near Jonestown Rd. and Pipes Etc. at Thruway Plaza. I live down off of Hickory Tree Rd., there is a small smoke shop about 2 minutes from the house called R&R Tobacco & News. They carry a decent assortment of premium cigars.

I LIKE the Pipe & Pint. Sorry to hear that they cannot smoke there anymore. Actually purchased my first ever box of cigars there. Torano Exodus 1959 Gold. Yummy.

The Tinderbox has reopened in Hanes Mall. The owner (Bobby) has a pretty good selection, but he charges too much usually.

[aich75013]

Originally Posted by Cigary

I use one of these in the house and in the garage in the winter. Works great and have used it for the last 3 years. The cost to use this per hour is 11 cents at 1500 watts.


http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...204000000&Mo=0

I remember walking past this heater at Costco last year. It put out an good amount of heat.

[jjmitchem]

Had my last cigar at the Tap Room in Hickory NC last week, used to love going there for a pint of Guinness in my pewter mug and a good cigar

Well, at least I am moving to Ft Jackson SC for the next three months for training, found a place off post called Light em up Cigars. Plan to enjoy that before moving to Schofield Barracks Hawaii in April where I have heard there is no smoking there either