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chippewastud79 · 08-04-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelergar

I for one don't agree with Dana White. He is unprofessional, imature and a liar. Also the rumor about the 5 fights for 30 million offer was false . It was more like 3 fights for less than 2 million each. I am probably in the minority but I think the Strikeforce M1 deal is a good thing for MMA. Because Strikeforce is cool with copromotion they can sign any fighter in the world that is not signed to the UFC. I also think Overeem is in his prime right know and a good challenge for Fedor. He completly dominated a fight with Cro Crop last year before a accidental low blow ruled it a no contest. No offense but Tough guys like Carwin and Lesnar grow on trees.

Ofcourse the 30 million was a rumor. Dana and M-1 both confirmed that all their talks were behind closed doors and the person who leaked that rumor had no knowledge of the situation. The M-1/Strikeforce merger is great for M-1 and Fedor, now they have a controlling stake in a second rate forum. It appears UFC and Dana were not willing to allow a promotion come in with one fighter and take some kind of controling stake of the #1 promotion in America.

You really think guys like Lesnar grow on trees? That guy is a damn freak. College wrestler, entertainment wrestler, NFL, and now the dominant heavyweight in MMA. Find another guy who tips the scales at well over 265 with a physique like that and a resume like that

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Originally Posted by Steelergar

Strikeforce and DREAM are working on an alliance.

Great, now they have a place for all the guys who can't cut it in UFC to go.

08-04-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chippewastud79

Ofcourse the 30 million was a rumor. Dana and M-1 both confirmed that all their talks were behind closed doors and the person who leaked that rumor had no knowledge of the situation. The M-1/Strikeforce merger is great for M-1 and Fedor, now they have a controlling stake in a second rate forum. It appears UFC and Dana were not willing to allow a promotion come in with one fighter and take some kind of controling stake of the #1 promotion in America.

You really think guys like Lesnar grow on trees? That guy is a damn freak. College wrestler, entertainment wrestler, NFL, and now the dominant heavyweight in MMA. Find another guy who tips the scales at well over 265 with a physique like that and a resume like that

Great, now they have a place for all the guys who can't cut it in UFC to go.

your right Brock does have an impressive resume, look at all the guys he has beaten. Anybody who doesn't fight in the UFC just plain sucks.

chippewastud79 · 08-04-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Steelergar

your right Brock does have an impressive resume, look at all the guys he has beaten. Anybody who doesn't fight in the UFC just plain sucks.

Not talking strictly MMA here, a full body of work. Lets see, he is a national champion, 4-time All-American (this alone is impresive even for most MMA fighters), made a few million dollars in WWE, tried out for an NFL team, and now happens to be thoroughly beating all comers thus far. Oh yeah and all this while weighing close to 280 and being a damn freak with 2% body fat and staying clean. The man is a genetic freak. I hope my kids end up like that seeing as that are so common.

Are you insinuating that UFC is not the top promotion with the best fighters right now? I am not saying there aren't a few good fighters in other promotions, but I would be willing to take UFC fighters in a tournament from top to bottom of the 'popular' promotions.

BengalMan · 08-05-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Steelergar

your right Brock does have an impressive resume, look at all the guys he has beaten. Anybody who doesn't fight in the UFC just plain sucks.

It seems to me that you've decided to take the exact opposite stance of others each possible opportunity on here which is fine. It stirs up conversation and any conversation regarding MMA I'm more than happy to read and/or take part in. Regardless of the stance.

In the end, a majority of people, including hardcore MMA fans are upset about Fedor not going to the biggest MMA organization. Why wouldn't you want to see him on that stage? When the question gets posted on major MMA forums all over that ask if you think Fedor should be in the UFC, the response is overwhelmingly yes.

To call Brock's resume not impressive is simply being difficult and not recognizing what he's done. Adam has already said it, but an NCAA National Champ, a major WWE superstar (say what you want, but to do the things that he did in the ring, athletes like that don't "grow on trees" as you say). Then to walk off the street and get invited for NFL try outs, yup, no easy task. Then to come into the UFC off the street and immediately fight the best of the best and in the matter a few fights, completely dominate some of the best in the world and become champ, that's damn impressive. All this while cutting from around 290lbs to 265 and being one of, if not the fastest and strongest HW in all of MMA.But guys like him grow on tree's. Right. Please show me where this magic tree is because maybe if I eat the apples off it, it'll get me the physique, speed and strength of Brock and Shane Carwin.

No one is denying what Fedor has accomplished. I don't think anyone will accomplish the wins that he has strung together. I will say this though, with Scott Coker saying they're going to "build up to Fedor vs. Overeem", one of the only worthwhile fights over there is foolish. If Fedor would have signed in the UFC, he would have been fighting for the title, against the best the UFC has to offer from the get go. No warm ups, no "building up", just proving on the biggest stage your still the best and no one is going to take that from you. Who wouldn't rather see that?

If you heard what Tito said when he was asked why he came back to the UFC, it was simple. The competition. Tito wanted to fight the best there is to offer on the biggest stage. Why wouldn't the #1 HW fighter in the world want to go where 5 of the top 7 HW fighters in the world are and fight the best? Sure he's beat Nog twice. Take him out of the equation, there are still a ton of great fights for Fedor there.

In the end it's just sad for an MMA fan to see someone with Fedor's talent go to a second rate organization and fight 2nd tier ranked talent. If you want to be the best, beat the best. He's done that thus far. Now he has to continue to fight the best to maintain being the best. Plain and simple. In Strikeforce, he's not doing that, and no one can argue otherwise.