Favre to Stay Retired

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by Gophernut

I also agree that Jackson is not, and probably wont be the answer. Michael Vick anyone?

After the tour boat fiasco with Culpepper et al. just a few years ago, I think Minnesota should stay away from the whole Vick controversy.
I really think Jackson has a lot of potential if they stick with him instead of swapping QBs every few games. He's quick and has a decent arm. Maybe I'm biased: I did really well with him as my starter in Madden 09.

[Gophernut]

Originally Posted by Kreth

Maybe I'm biased: I did really well with him as my starter in Madden 09.

I hope Childress reads this! He'll probably cut Rosenfels!

[MNSmoker]

This is a sad day. I'm a huge Favre pimp and I was hoping he would sign with the Vikes for multiple reasons. Now we have to rely on either a career back-up in Rosenfels, or a mediocre QB at best in T-Jack who folds under pressure. I'm still holding out hope that Favre flip-flops one more time and decides to join the team after training camp. You never know what this guy's going to do next.

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by MNSmoker

...or a mediocre QB at best in T-Jack who folds under pressure.

I think a lot of that is the coaching staff. How can he learn to deal with those pressure situations if they keep swapping QBs?
Admittedly, Favre was a great player, but the last few seasons he's thrown more picks than TDs. And with the bum shoulder, I doubt he would have been good for an entire season. Then the Vikes would have been forced to go with Jackson or Rosenfels anyway.

[MNSmoker]

Originally Posted by Kreth

I think a lot of that is the coaching staff. How can he learn to deal with those pressure situations if they keep swapping QBs?
Admittedly, Favre was a great player, but the last few seasons he's thrown more picks than TDs. And with the bum shoulder, I doubt he would have been good for an entire season. Then the Vikes would have been forced to go with Jackson or Rosenfels anyway.

I agree that some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff, but the majority of it has to go to Jackson. He'll look fantastic at times when things are going great for the team and the game's not close, but if you need him to score a TD for you and it's late in the game, the guy's got no chance. There have been multiple times in the last couple of years where he's had opportunities to win the game for the Vikes and he totally folded.

I still had a lot of faith in Favre if he decided to join our squad for this season. He had shoulder problems at the end of last year, but he's had surgery in the off-season to correct those problems. His numbers at the beginning of last year pre-injury were pretty damn good. I think he still has the talent to play for another year if he wanted to. Unfortunately we're not going to find out.

The Vikes still have a solid squad this year and should win the North, but without a bonafide QB I don't believe we have a shot at competing for a super bowl. We needed Favre to put us over the hump.

[Kreth]

Originally Posted by MNSmoker

I agree that some of the blame has to go to the coaching staff, but the majority of it has to go to Jackson. He'll look fantastic at times when things are going great for the team and the game's not close, but if you need him to score a TD for you and it's late in the game, the guy's got no chance. There have been multiple times in the last couple of years where he's had opportunities to win the game for the Vikes and he totally folded.

I see that as a lack of experience. They need a young QB that they can develop into a team leader. I think Jackson has that potential, but it's never going to happen as long as the coaching staff keeps playing musical QBs. I think the constant changes also contributed to Peterson's fumblitis. He gets the timing with one guy, and then someone else is under center the next week.

The Vikes still have a solid squad this year and should win the North, but without a bonafide QB I don't believe we have a shot at competing for a super bowl. We needed Favre to put us over the hump.

I don't see any point in bringing on a high-dollar player like Favre if he's not gonna be there for several years. The money could be better spent adding some depth to the roster.
In the Culpepper/Moss days, Minnesota was all aerial with no ground game. Now it's the opposite. They can't take full advantage of Peterson without a solid passing game to keep defenses guessing.

[MNSmoker]

Originally Posted by Kreth

I don't see any point in bringing on a high-dollar player like Favre if he's not gonna be there for several years. The money could be better spent adding some depth to the roster.
In the Culpepper/Moss days, Minnesota was all aerial with no ground game. Now it's the opposite. They can't take full advantage of Peterson without a solid passing game to keep defenses guessing.

I think the reason why Childress wanted to bring Favre in this season was twofold; first, Childress knows that if he doesn't make a deep playoff run this year his job is probably in jeopardy. He's under contract for one more season after this upcoming season, and if this club doesn't perform well he's not going to get an extension. Zigy Wilf has given everything that Childress has asked for (pass rushing DE...Jared Allen. WR to stretch the field...Bernard Berrien, etc.). He's given Childress the go-ahead to sign players and has invested a lot into this club. I think Wilf wants to see a return on his investment.

Second, this club is set up to win now. This core group of players that we have right now are geared to win in the next couple of seasons. A veteran like Favre in Childress' west-coast offense would have probably given this club the best chance to win this year. That's not to say that Rosenfels or T-Jack can't get it done, but this is the same offense that Favre has run his entire career.

This day in age in the NFL, teams don't look long future. Because of free agency teams can go from worst to first in their division in a single season. NFL fans, and sports fans in general, have a win now attitude and demand that their teams put out a winning club every year. I'm hoping that the Vikes will still be solid with whoever they decide to put behind center this season.

[macpappy]

Some team should give Favre a call and say, "Hey Brett! We could use a quarterback coach."

All you Favre haters can say what you want, but I think he has the potential to be a good coach.

[hotreds]

At least for the next five minutes or so.....

[larryinlc]

Originally Posted by macpappy

Some team should give Favre a call and say, "Hey Brett! We could use a quarterback coach."

All you Favre haters can say what you want, but I think he has the potential to be a good coach.

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has a standing open multi-million contract to be part of the Packer organization.

Larry

[BlackDog]

Originally Posted by larryinlc

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has a standing open multi-million contract to be part of the Packer organization.

Yup, $20 million to be their "Director of Social Outreach" or some such public relations job. I'd be all over that like white on rice.

[macpappy]

Originally Posted by larryinlc

If I'm not mistaken, I believe he has a standing open multi-million contract to be part of the Packer organization.

Larry

Yes. But it's not as a coach.
I think Favre has a lot to offer as a Coach.

[King James]

I think with time the riff between Favre and the Packers (or Ted Thompson more specifically) will heal. I know he was talking about helping out with the HS team back home coaching, but don't know that he would return to the NFL to coach