R.I.P. Hav-A-Tampa, Cigar City loses another one.

[G G]

And it prolly appears that Swisher International is soon to follow. My step son and my step daughter's husband are currently employed by Swisher in Jacksonville. With the FDA and no flavored rule that will either cause Swisher to close or move offshore as well, because according to my stepson 90% to 95% of their sales are flavored cigars, and I aint no economist but I don't blieve you can overcome that. So it appears to me instead of creating jobs the current administration and congress are destroying them.

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by ggainey

So it appears to me instead of creating jobs the current administration and congress are destroying them.

Don't forget too that jobs created in the last 20-30 years in the US are often service jobs and not blue collar jobs, which are the backbone of the country.

Looking at this graph, you gotta wonder what happened between 01 and 09.

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Don't forget too that jobs created in the last 20-30 years in the US are often service jobs and not blue collar jobs, which are the backbone of the country.

Looking at this graph, you gotta wonder what happened between 01 and 09.

No, that makes me wonder where you got the graph. Nothing like posting information without any reference whatsoever.

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by RaiderinKS

No, that makes me wonder where you got the graph. Nothing like posting information without any reference whatsoever.

I notice you have nothing to refute information shown in the graph.

http://www.ourfuture.org/files/image...Growth_2_4.jpg



This is a slightly different graph from a different source. You see the same thing ... last 8 years were crap for job growth. Do I blame the previous administration? Not solely, Clinton made enough bad decisions to share more than his portion of the blame.

As for the original graph: here is a hint .. if you see text in a document, google it in quotation marks (i.e., "10-year job growth vanishes") ... if you do this, exactly 1 page shows up. Voila, your source.

http://www.philstockworld.com/2009/0...-of-lost-jobs/

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by seangar

looking at this graph, you gotta wonder what happened between 01 and 09.

Originally Posted by seangar

http://www.ourfuture.org/files/image...growth_2_4.jpg




http://www.philstockworld.com/2009/0...-of-lost-jobs/

nafta?

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by andysutherland

nafta?

I hate NAFTA and giving communist red china most favored trading status. We need to keep the good jobs here. Free trade looks fine, but if the other side of the fence pays 1.00 and hour, how can we compete here? American workers are incredibly productive, but not THAT productive to make up 20 times wage difference.

RaiderinKS makes some damned good points about the consumerism we see today.

Hell, my kids ask for iphones and they're 12. When I was their age, I was happy to eat pigs in blankets and KD in front of a snowy B&W TV. A cell phone was out of the question (even if it was invented back then).

I remember a number of years ago Walmart advertised that products were made in the USA. When was the last time we saw that?

[Starscream]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

I remember a number of years ago Walmart advertised that products were made in the USA. When was the last time we saw that?

It's been a while.