Tea Parties

[BigAl_SC]

Heard a good idea at a tea party yesterday. SC, Texas, Louisiana, Alaska all have state bills up for votes called the 'Sovereignty Bills'. In effect they state that that the federal government only has certain rights given by the constitution and all other rights are given to the states. If passed this would allow these states to take all the federal mandates and say 'forget you to the federal government'. The choice then would be if the federal government wished to push the states to follow their guides (and cause a backlash) or just give in. This could include taxes raised for roads, schools, ect not being collected with state protection for the citizens.

Be interesting to see where this goes especially if 20 other states jump on board.....

[SeanGAR]

I had a grant due so I was stuck at work, but I did throw some tea into a garbage can. I'm glad people are not letting this ridiculous bailout slide. The tax situation in this country is getting out of hand really fast.

I'd like Phil Gramm, Tom Harkin, Bill Clinton and others who sponsored, voted for or signed the garbage (Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000) that caused this mess to give all of their $ to people who are being affected by the banking crisis. Maybe we can call it a special tax on stupidity? Seriously ... if you create laws that have negative consequences, should we be letting those responsible slide?

[357]

Originally Posted by BigAl_SC

Heard a good idea at a tea party yesterday. SC, Texas, Louisiana, Alaska all have state bills up for votes called the 'Sovereignty Bills'. In effect they state that that the federal government only has certain rights given by the constitution and all other rights are given to the states. If passed this would allow these states to take all the federal mandates and say 'forget you to the federal government'. The choice then would be if the federal government wished to push the states to follow their guides (and cause a backlash) or just give in. This could include taxes raised for roads, schools, ect not being collected with state protection for the citizens.

Be interesting to see where this goes especially if 20 other states jump on board.....

The governor of Texas not only signed the bill but called out Obama publicly. It's about time someone stood up to the illegal pressure the feds put on state legislature. The fed can't force the states to pass laws outside the constitution so they withhold federal tax money until the states comply. It's total BS and illegal. Federal Congressmen and Senators who pass such laws should be imprisoned.

[357]

Sorry for a third straight post, but these Tea Parties look to me like the beginning of a serious conservative movement.

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by 357

Sorry for a third straight post, but these Tea Parties look to me like the beginning of a serious conservative movement.

Hmm .... intelligent taxation and spending of federal money doesn't appear to sit on one side of the conservative-liberal continuum to me. You can talk about tax and spend liberals if you wish, but we have certainly seen our fill of borrow and spend conservatives in the last few years. Both are wrong. By politicizing the push to have our elected representatives use our tax money intelligently, we decrease the opportunity to make a change in DC. I'm just happy to see people spit up at the size and scope of this bailout, who they vote for doesn't interest me.

[357]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Hmm .... intelligent taxation and spending of federal money doesn't appear to sit on one side of the conservative-liberal continuum to me. You can talk about tax and spend liberals if you wish, but we have certainly seen our fill of borrow and spend conservatives in the last few years. Both are wrong. By politicizing the push to have our elected representatives use our tax money intelligently, we decrease the opportunity to make a change in DC. I'm just happy to see people spit up at the size and scope of this bailout, who they vote for doesn't interest me.

Well I disagree, sort of, but let me preface that with this: I believe both the Democratic and Republican parties are taking us on a path to socialism. One is walking and the other is running.

I used to think of myself as a Republican but I don't anymore. I consider myself a conservative. There are Republicans who like to tax and spend, but they by definition cannot be called conservatives.

I don't want to turn this into any kind of us vs them rant or thread. I'm just glad to see people rejecting big government and big taxation. Rejecting these two things is IMO conservative. That's all I meant.

[SeanGAR]

Originally Posted by 357

I'm just glad to see people rejecting big government and big taxation. Rejecting these two things is IMO conservative. That's all I meant.

Gotcha.

The thing about being fiscally conservative is that its simply the smart thing to do. Oh, the bums getting handouts may disagree, but the people paying for this mess certainly have better things to spend their money on than bailing out the lazy, the stupid, and the reckless.

I know I do ... and I'm pretty sure you do too.

[357]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Gotcha.

The thing about being fiscally conservative is that its simply the smart thing to do. Oh, the bums getting handouts may disagree, but the people paying for this mess certainly have better things to spend their money on than bailing out the lazy, the stupid, and the reckless.

I know I do ... and I'm pretty sure you do too.

I have a wife and 2 kids of my own I have to support. I can't afford to support (as Ted Nugent calls them) pimps, whores, and welfare brats. Don't get me wrong I have an uncle who is physically disabled and can barely move around. I have no problem with a program to help assist people like him. Most Americans probably wouldn't either. That's not what we're talking about here.

It's about responsibility. Personal and corporate responsibility. Welfare and programs like it circumvent personal responsibility. Bailouts circumvent corporate responsibility. Government loans are a little different. I'm not a fan, but I understand the idea. I'm a little more open to it when a company's international competition get government subsidised loans and don't pay for healthcare costs.

That said, I'm am conservative socially and fiscally. I believe the majority of our country is middle of the road or even somewhat liberal socially, but I believe most Americans are fiscally conservative. This puts most of them into Libertarian territory. Unfortunately the Libertarian party has some really bad platforms they need to drop/fix before they get any serious considerations from the masses. It's too bad because I'd sure vote for a Libertarian before I'd vote for a social and fiscally liberal candidate. Anyway, now I'm rambling...

[landhoney]

Originally Posted by SeanGAR

Gotcha.

The thing about being fiscally conservative is that its simply the smart thing to do. Oh, the bums getting handouts may disagree, but the people paying for this mess certainly have better things to spend their money on than bailing out the lazy, the stupid, and the reckless.

I know I do ... and I'm pretty sure you do too.

Preach it brother!

My brother in law went last night, and I was going to go as well, but volleyball was calling my name. Played well, the wife gave me 'the look' and motioned for me to slow down my serve when a woman's nose was nearly/probably bloodied. Woops

Anyway, he said it was a great event and was pleased to see so many turun out (West Palm Beach, FL).
Today he IM'd a couple links,
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/1...f-tea-parties/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WQbNaXJ8Pw
What liberal media bias? Someone did some serious digging to find the footage in the second clip.

[BigAl_SC]

Originally Posted by 357

Well I disagree, sort of, but let me preface that with this: I believe both the Democratic and Republican parties are taking us on a path to socialism. One is walking and the other is running.

I used to think of myself as a Republican but I don't anymore. I consider myself a conservative. There are Republicans who like to tax and spend, but they by definition cannot be called conservatives.

I don't want to turn this into any kind of us vs them rant or thread. I'm just glad to see people rejecting big government and big taxation. Rejecting these two things is IMO conservative. That's all I meant.

very well put..... could not have said it better.

The last 8 year (6 of which the republicans had 2 branches of government) were the preamble to what is going on now. So its a tax, borrow, and spend issue not a party issue.

“Principled compromise is the lifeblood of democracy and those who seek principled compromise to advance their state and their nation are doing what the voters want,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC). WTF, compromising your principals is what has gotten us into this mess.

I attended a Tea Party last night. The news reported that a few hundred people were in attendance. Sadly this was severely understated....there were about 6K in attendance. Talk about a liberal biased media.