iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers - Page 9

Blueface · 03-15-2009, 09:43 AM

This is too cool.
Can't believe I didn't see this thread until now.
Can't wait for the application to become available.

03-15-2009, 10:35 AM

Ken do you think you will submit the app to apple this week? I cant wait to try it on my iphone. Best of luck with the process.

King James · 03-15-2009, 10:38 AM

Idea for how to connect w/ cigar asylum:

In the notes area perhaps making a button to "publish review" and have it make a new thread in the review section here at CA. Only problem that I can think of is for people who purchase the app not a member at CA....although maybe it would draw in new members?

KenS · 03-15-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkr160

Ken do you think you will submit the app to apple this week? I cant wait to try it on my iphone. Best of luck with the process.

I sure hope so. Two major things keeping me from finishing:

Really need to improve the NC coverage in the database
You guys keep giving me more ideas of things to add

Expect to get beta 3 out for final testing in the next day or so, and plan to submit to apple by end of this week

KenS · 03-15-2009, 11:58 AM

Something else added new for beta 3...

Since it now shows length and ring gauge on the cigar listing screen, you can now sort by name, length or ring gauge. It looks like this. The second screenshot show the interface that slides up onto the screen when you touch the "Sort List ..." button.

And here's the updated listing:

Just thought I'd let you know

King James · 03-15-2009, 12:18 PM

sweet!

that add cigar button on the reference page is nice too

03-15-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DPD6030

Obvious you registered to post in this forum.

Ken, it's your baby IMO I would not share this as it would open up to other things and you would not get the kickback you may be looking for.

I'd hate for someone to steal the hard work that you did and claim it as their own.

Yes, obvious, since it's required.

There's no need to imply anything. I'm a WM user, and a cigar smoker. I have references on this board if I need them, though they probably don't know who I am right now heh. I think it'd be a cool thing to collaborate this project with someone to get it out there for the millions (yes, millions) who use Windows Mobile. I also think I'd use the heck out of it personally. Seems like a great app, that's all.

DPD6030 · 03-15-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by danc

Yes, obvious, since it's required.

There's no need to imply anything. I'm a WM user, and a cigar smoker. I have references on this board if I need them, though they probably don't know who I am right now heh. I think it'd be a cool thing to collaborate this project with someone to get it out there for the millions (yes, millions) who use Windows Mobile. I also think I'd use the heck out of it personally. Seems like a great app, that's all.

Sorry if you thought I implied that you might steal it. I know Ken was just fooling around with this at one point and poof now he spends all his spare time coding! He was even going to code at our weekly herf meeting. My post was my opinion leaving it ultimately up to Ken to decide the when and if parts.

KenS · 03-15-2009, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danc

Yes, obvious, since it's required.

There's no need to imply anything. I'm a WM user, and a cigar smoker. I have references on this board if I need them, though they probably don't know who I am right now heh. I think it'd be a cool thing to collaborate this project with someone to get it out there for the millions (yes, millions) who use Windows Mobile. I also think I'd use the heck out of it personally. Seems like a great app, that's all.

danc,

No harm, no foul, and I don't blame you for asking. The reality is that somebody with knowledge of how to develop for Windows Mobile could quite easily borrow ideas from this app to code for wm. They could also fairly easily capture the data from this app if they had an iPhone or knew somebody who did.

The other reality is that the programming model for iPhone vs. Win Mobile is quite different, so it would be tough to actually leverage the code itself. That said, if a developer were to ask me about collaboration, it would be a low priority for me given the ideas I have to continue to develop the next version of Mobile Stogie, and I have a real job so this is just a (very time consuming) hobby for me. So they'd mostly be on their own.

I put a copyright notice on the app to protect myself, but I don't have a cadre of lawyers to pursue somebody copying it on the wm platform. I also wouldn't want to prevent fellow BOTL's from having a nice app for their wm devices if somebody took up that effort.

Bottom line is that it's tough to get too excited about a hypothetical situation. If somebody reaches out to me with real coding questions, I'd do what I could, but it probably wouldn't be much, given my time constraints.

Again, no harm, no foul

03-15-2009, 03:18 PM

All good

KenS · 03-16-2009, 06:32 AM

Need more feedback today

As I build out the NC database content, it is becoming clear that I need to add a "Sub-brand" or "Line" field for many of the NC brands. For example, if I add Gurkha to the current database, I would have a separate "brand" for Gurkha Grand Reserve, Gurkha Legend, Gurkha Master Select, etc.

I'm thinking of adding a Sub-Brand field so that the brand is Gurkha, and then have a drilldown from Gurkha to a page showing the sub-brands of Grand Reserve, Legend, Master Select, etc. The same is true of Rocky Patel, Oliva, JPG and others.

The trick will become handling the situation where there is NOT a sub-brand for a given brand, or where sub-brand is not filled in for SOME of a particular brand, but is filled in for others.

How should the drilldown work?
Thoughts anybody??

King James · 03-16-2009, 06:39 AM

Is there any way after the release for people to submit their cigar database (if they add things) to you to add to the main database for when you update?

KenS · 03-16-2009, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King James

Is there any way after the release for people to submit their cigar database (if they add things) to you to add to the main database for when you update?

Not sure how the update process will work yet. I'm thinking of a synchronization process that allows somebody to retrieve updates automatically, but I haven't designed this yet. It would have to be "non-destructive" for cigars that somebody has entered into his/her own app, so some matching process needs to be designed. I'm working on it

As for sending their changes in, I think the concern about getting garbage data, incomplete data, overwriting existing cigars, even malicious updates will prevent this from being a reasonable approach.

King James · 03-16-2009, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenS

As for sending their changes in, I think the concern about getting garbage data, incomplete data, overwriting existing cigars, even malicious updates will prevent this from being a reasonable approach.

I guess yeah. Unless there was a way to filter it but even then might not be worth the hours to do it

jovenhut · 03-16-2009, 07:55 AM

Ken

thanks for writing this program as its a great service to any CA member.

side note. any way to write an app so you can read CA easier on your Iphone?

King James · 03-16-2009, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jovenhut

Ken

thanks for writing this program as its a great service to any CA member.

side note. any way to write an app so you can read CA easier on your Iphone?

www.m.cigarasylum.com

Posted via Mobile Device

KenS · 03-16-2009, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KenS

Need more feedback today

As I build out the NC database content, it is becoming clear that I need to add a "Sub-brand" or "Line" field for many of the NC brands. For example, if I add Gurkha to the current database, I would have a separate "brand" for Gurkha Grand Reserve, Gurkha Legend, Gurkha Master Select, etc.

I'm thinking of adding a Sub-Brand field so that the brand is Gurkha, and then have a drilldown from Gurkha to a page showing the sub-brands of Grand Reserve, Legend, Master Select, etc. The same is true of Rocky Patel, Oliva, JPG and others.

The trick will become handling the situation where there is NOT a sub-brand for a given brand, or where sub-brand is not filled in for SOME of a particular brand, but is filled in for others.

How should the drilldown work?
Thoughts anybody??

Asking the question in a simpler way: Do you consider Gurkha Grand Reserve, Gurkha Legend, Gurkha Master Select, etc. to be unique "Brands" (and therefore would count in the home screen count of "xxx Brands"), or do you consider those as all being "Gurkha" brand, and would only count once on that screen? I'm referring to this screen:

Sauer Grapes · 03-16-2009, 10:36 AM

No, they are all Gurkhas and should be under one brand with sub brands.

03-16-2009, 10:46 AM

I've just run across this thread.

Very slick, Ken...

Congrats for the all the hard work...

As much as I hate iToys... this may swing me over...

DPD6030 · 03-16-2009, 11:06 AM

Gurkha one brand and put the others in unique cigars

03-15-2009, 09:43 AM	#161
Blueface Gramps 4x's Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Horatio Seymore Hiny Location: Boca Raton - North of La Habana Posts: 8,774 Trading: (8)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers This is too cool. Can't believe I didn't see this thread until now. Can't wait for the application to become available. __________________ Little known fact: I am a former member of the Village People - The Indian

03-15-2009, 10:35 AM	#162
mkr160 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers Ken do you think you will submit the app to apple this week? I cant wait to try it on my iphone. Best of luck with the process.

03-15-2009, 10:38 AM	#163
King James Regard Me! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jim Location: Dark Side Of The Moon Posts: 2,565 Trading: (2)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers Idea for how to connect w/ cigar asylum: In the notes area perhaps making a button to "publish review" and have it make a new thread in the review section here at CA. Only problem that I can think of is for people who purchase the app not a member at CA....although maybe it would draw in new members? __________________ Mob Herfin' Since 2006

03-15-2009, 11:58 AM	#165
KenS When do I get my meds? Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 898 Trading: (26)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers Something else added new for beta 3... Since it now shows length and ring gauge on the cigar listing screen, you can now sort by name, length or ring gauge. It looks like this. The second screenshot show the interface that slides up onto the screen when you touch the "Sort List ..." button. And here's the updated listing: Just thought I'd let you know __________________ For the record, Massholes (especially adopted Massholes) do not have to root for the damn Red Sox.

03-15-2009, 12:18 PM	#166
King James Regard Me! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jim Location: Dark Side Of The Moon Posts: 2,565 Trading: (2)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers sweet! that add cigar button on the reference page is nice too __________________ Mob Herfin' Since 2006

03-15-2009, 03:18 PM	#170
danc Guest Posts: n/a	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers All good

03-16-2009, 06:32 AM	#171
KenS When do I get my meds? Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edmonds, WA Posts: 898 Trading: (26)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers Need more feedback today As I build out the NC database content, it is becoming clear that I need to add a "Sub-brand" or "Line" field for many of the NC brands. For example, if I add Gurkha to the current database, I would have a separate "brand" for Gurkha Grand Reserve, Gurkha Legend, Gurkha Master Select, etc. I'm thinking of adding a Sub-Brand field so that the brand is Gurkha, and then have a drilldown from Gurkha to a page showing the sub-brands of Grand Reserve, Legend, Master Select, etc. The same is true of Rocky Patel, Oliva, JPG and others. The trick will become handling the situation where there is NOT a sub-brand for a given brand, or where sub-brand is not filled in for SOME of a particular brand, but is filled in for others. How should the drilldown work? Thoughts anybody?? __________________ For the record, Massholes (especially adopted Massholes) do not have to root for the damn Red Sox.

03-16-2009, 06:39 AM	#172
King James Regard Me! Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Jim Location: Dark Side Of The Moon Posts: 2,565 Trading: (2)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers Is there any way after the release for people to submit their cigar database (if they add things) to you to add to the main database for when you update? __________________ Mob Herfin' Since 2006

03-16-2009, 07:55 AM	#175
jovenhut Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Bruce Location: Eugene - Oregon Posts: 580 Trading: (64)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers Ken thanks for writing this program as its a great service to any CA member. side note. any way to write an app so you can read CA easier on your Iphone? __________________ "Sweet Sugary Goodness"

03-16-2009, 10:36 AM	#178
Sauer Grapes Snatchin' yo people up Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,235 Trading: (44)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers No, they are all Gurkhas and should be under one brand with sub brands.

03-16-2009, 10:46 AM	#179
Cyclone Guest Posts: n/a	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers I've just run across this thread. Very slick, Ken... Congrats for the all the hard work... As much as I hate iToys... this may swing me over...

03-16-2009, 11:06 AM	#180
DPD6030 Shepard of the sheeple Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Andrew Location: The Mitten Posts: 7,166 Trading: (151)	Re: iPhone Cigar App ... need beta testers Gurkha one brand and put the others in unique cigars Last edited by DPD6030; 03-16-2009 at 11:14 AM.