H.R. 45 firearm registration bill

[Rabidsquirrel]

Originally Posted by M1903A1

There is no choking off the "easy supply". We can't even keep drugs from crossing the borders.

So you're ok with straw purchases than?

Originally Posted by M1903A1

Suppose it gets stolen (say from a storage unit) and you don't find out until more than 72 hours later?

It doesn't say the moment it gets stolen. It's when you find out about it.

Originally Posted by Kreth

I think the main objection is that all of this stuff is covered by existing laws.

That I wasn't aware of.

Originally Posted by Kreth

Why should I have to jump through hoops to exercise my 2nd amendment rights?

I'm all for your right to bear arms. I just don't think it should be easy for criminals to get guns.

[DrDubzz]

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

[blugill]

Originally Posted by RX2010

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

Amen

Originally Posted by blugill

Amen

Amen 2X

[alley00p]

Originally Posted by RX2010

maybe I'm naive, but I fail to see how this makes it harder for criminals to get guns

I do, however, see how it makes it harder for honest citizens to get guns

There are over 20,000 firearm laws in this country now (Federal State and Local), and MOST are not enforced to their full extent due to criminal lawyers cutting deals regarding the possesion of handguns by those with felonies and other restrictions!

Adding this law is equivalent to creating a National Gun Registration, something the Nazi's did prior to taking over the government in Germany in the 1930's.

This law won't keep a criminal from procuring or carrying a handgun - but it will keep honest citizens from doing that.

That's my - YMMV!

[Starchild]

Well said

[MarkinAZ]

Originally Posted by alley00p

Adding this law is equivalent to creating a National Gun Registration, something the Nazi's did prior to taking over the government in Germany in the 1930's.
That's my - YMMV!

And that my friend is what it is eventually all about, "National Gun Registration" for the eventual confiscation of your firearm.

Its not gonna be allowed to occur in my opinion period!!

[BigAl_SC]

Originally Posted by alley00p

Adding this law is equivalent to creating a National Gun Registration, something the Nazi's did prior to taking over the government in Germany in the 1930's.

This law won't keep a criminal from procuring or carrying a handgun - but it will keep honest citizens from doing that.

That is 100% the reason for this bill. This will register the guns of the law abiding citizens and not of the criminals that do not follow the law now. By stopping the sale from law abiding citizen to law abiding citizen (ie. gun show sales, newspaper sales, gun club member to gun club member), the government creates a registry that can be used when ever they wish. They will worry about the criminals with guns when they are the only ones left with them. Seems to me to have the priorities backward.

[Genetic Defect]

Originally Posted by Rabidsquirrel

I'm all for your right to bear arms. I just don't think it should be easy for criminals to get guns.

ande passing laws does what for criminals? When did they start following laws?

[white_s2k]

The founding fathers of the U.S. Constitution would slap the sh*t out of Congressman Bobby Rush if they were still alive.

[Genetic Defect]

Originally Posted by white_s2k

The founding fathers of the U.S. Constitution would slap the sh*t out of Congressman Bobby Rush if they were still alive.

I wish they could rise

Originally Posted by Big Vito

I wish they could rise

They are us.

[Stig]

The sond amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms, it doesn't say anything about a license. Sounds like a direct violation of the second amendment. If they spent as much time in Washington trying to figure out how to get the guns out of the hands of criminals and get those guns of the steet as the spent trying to make it tougher for honest citizens to get guns then maybe there would be fewer of them on the street. I say give everyone without a criminal record a gun, it deffinitely is a huge deterant to someone trying to break into your house, mug you on the street or jack your car if they know that you can shoot back.

[Silound]

I'm all for a more thorough registration and sale system, I'm not for paying for it with my taxes.

Honestly, it should have been mandated a long time ago that to own a firearm you must also have an up-to-date state/federal registration in your name for the firearm you own. Nothing more than what we do now with license plates for cars. Just to prevent people from skirting through loopholes in laws that the special advocate groups insist on so that Billy-Bob in Texarkana, who's recently paroled on manslaughter charge, can somehow acquire a firearm (simply because it's his right to own one, even if he legally can't possess or purchase one as a felon) from some random guy who could legally buy one and didn't know Billy-Bob was a convicted felon.


Edit to add that I'm not a gun-control nut by any means. I have many firearms, and while I don't want Uncle Sam looking over my shoulder and telling me what I can and cannot do with them, I'd prefer to share that information with the government to prevent some people from obtaining firearms for reasons that are no good.

[Thrak]

Originally Posted by Silound

so that Billy-Bob in Texarkana, who's recently paroled on manslaughter charge, can somehow acquire a firearm (simply because it's his right to own one, even if he legally can't possess or purchase one as a felon) from some random guy who could legally buy one and didn't know Billy-Bob was a convicted felon.

Thats already illegal, we dont need more laws to make it "more" illegal. Its called a straw purchase.

[Silound]

Originally Posted by Thrak

Thats already illegal, we dont need more laws to make it "more" illegal. Its called a straw purchase.

It's already illegal, but there's no safeguards. If the seller and Billy-Bob had to go fill out the paperwork and register it, it would come to the attention of the seller that Billy-Bob can't legally own a firearm. Sale prevented, and the seller doesn't assume any legal responsibility.


It's not a law to make it "more illegal", it's needing to put in safeguards that enforce the current laws better.

[BigAl_SC]

Originally Posted by Silound

It's already illegal, but there's no safeguards. If the seller and Billy-Bob had to go fill out the paperwork and register it, it would come to the attention of the seller that Billy-Bob can't legally own a firearm. Sale prevented, and the seller doesn't assume any legal responsibility.


It's not a law to make it "more illegal", it's needing to put in safeguards that enforce the current laws better.

I understand your point. Your assuming that Billy-Bob, being the scum he is, wouldn't just steal a gun or purchase a stolen one.

This brings us back to my original thesis that this is just a front to get the legal guns registered so that someday they say 'This registration is not working to get the guns away from the crooks. Lets confiscate all of the registered ones.'

This law does not affect the criminals at all. Only lets the government know where the legal ones are at.