stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet

potlimit · 02-22-2009, 06:34 PM

As someone with post-grad work in stats I can tell you that if the sample size is large enough, a number like %100 would make me skeptical of the whole experiment... just from a purely experimental standpoint. You'd have to expect SOME variance in SOME variable.

From a personal standpoint, lately I've found that the sticks I've ordered from Atlantic (Cubao 1's and 5's and DPG blue label torps) have been just as good, if not better than those I've smoked at my B&M.

02-22-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by potlimit

As someone with post-grad work in stats I can tell you that if the sample size is large enough, a number like %100 would make me skeptical of the whole experiment... just from a purely experimental standpoint. You'd have to expect SOME variance in SOME variable.

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Agreed. So either

1. I'm lying.

Or

2. The stat Is telling of a noticeable(not significant) difference.

mikeyj23 · 02-22-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Agreed. So either

1. I'm lying.

Or

2. The stat Is telling of a noticeable(not significant) difference.

Exactly

icehog3 · 02-22-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Agreed. So either

1. I'm lying.

Or

2. The stat Is telling of a noticeable(not significant) difference.

No accusations of lying here. I take your word that the results for the tests you have been present for are what you are saying they are.

I just don't buy it that manufacturers are putting good ( and/or different) tobacco in B&M cigars, and "scraps" in the cigars sold on the internet. I am guessing that a large amount of the cigars go to distributors who supply both B&Ms and Internet retailers. I would bet there are other differences accounting for your results, and also that different groups would likely have different results.

Commander Quan · 02-22-2009, 07:11 PM

Anyone want to set up a taste challenge? I there is no way it will be as epic as Moki Vs. Fredster but could be interesting.

02-22-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3

No accusations of lying here. I take your word that the results for the tests you have been present for are what you are saying they are.

I just don't buy it that manufacturers are putting good ( and/or different) tobacco in B&M cigars, and "scraps" in the cigars sold on the internet. I am guessing that a large amount of the cigars go to distributors who supply both B&Ms and Internet retailers. I would bet there are other differences accounting for your results, and also that different groups would likely have different results.

Whoa. Who said anything about scraps? Again. Not saying even significantly better. Just noticeable. And consistant. Again the internet big guys cigars aren't bad. Just not as good as the local.

Recent example. We did ashton VSG wizards. A botl had got a box off cbid. I organized the blind taste with 4 others and I knew which was which. Another time it was RP vintages 92 torpedo that time someone else was the non blind and it was 3 of us. We've done a bunch of others.

I think an asylum testing would be fun. Let's agree on a stick. I'll pay for it. Ship to 6 guys. 2 who think its bull. 2 who agree with me and 2 who think it could be either way. You have to smoke them side by side and I'll remove the original wrapper and put on a number.

Heck wait a minute. I won't dictate the rules. What do you think?

Les Nessman · 02-22-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Whoa. Who said anything about scraps? Again. Not saying even significantly better. Just noticeable. And consistant. Again the internet big guys cigars aren't bad. Just not as good as the local.

Recent example. We did ashton VSG wizards. A botl had got a box off cbid. I organized the blind taste with 4 others and I knew which was which. Another time it was RP vintages 92 torpedo that time someone else was the non blind and it was 3 of us. We've done a bunch of others.

I think an asylum testing would be fun. Let's agree on a stick. I'll pay for it. Ship to 6 guys. 2 who think its bull. 2 who agree with me and 2 who think it could be either way. You have to smoke them side by side and I'll remove the original wrapper and put on a number.

Heck wait a minute. I won't dictate the rules. What do you think?

The results of the test would not be statistically valid - way too small of a sample size. That being said, right or wrong, you can still convince people with statistically invalid test results.

Kreth · 02-23-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

I think an asylum testing would be fun. Let's agree on a stick. I'll pay for it. Ship to 6 guys. 2 who think its bull. 2 who agree with me and 2 who think it could be either way. You have to smoke them side by side and I'll remove the original wrapper and put on a number.

I'll take that action. I'll argue that a Padron 1926 and Opus X will taste identical whether from a B&M or Internet retailer...

02-23-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreth

I'll take that action. I'll argue that a Padron 1926 and Opus X will taste identical whether from a B&M or Internet retailer...

Oh you greedy bastid

He he he he

I was thinking maybe some rocky OWR. Or perdomo Habano.

Kreth · 02-23-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Oh you greedy bastid

He he he he

I was thinking maybe some rocky OWR. Or perdomo Habano.

Speaking of RP, I have had the Vintage 90 in the same vitola from my local B&M (not a large shop by any means), and CI. Just a noob's opinion here, but I didn't notice any difference.

BlackIrish · 02-23-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Oh you greedy bastid

He he he he

I was thinking maybe some rocky OWR. Or perdomo Habano.

I'll take that action.

02-23-2009, 09:15 AM

I'm in.

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Originally Posted by Legend

Oh you greedy bastid

He he he he

I was thinking maybe some rocky OWR. Or perdomo Habano.

icehog3 · 02-23-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Legend

Whoa. Who said anything about scraps? Again. Not saying even significantly better. Just noticeable. And consistant. Again the internet big guys cigars aren't bad. Just not as good as the local.

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Originally Posted by Legend

Botl had gone to Honduras and Dominican republic and reported that locals(workers at the factories) had stated that inferior tobacco and piles left laying around in the factory were for internet cigars.

Apologies, you did not use the word "scraps". You said "piles (of tobacco) left laying around the factory".

02-22-2009, 06:34 PM	#1
potlimit Still Watching My Back Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: LA/NY Posts: 131 Trading: (7)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet As someone with post-grad work in stats I can tell you that if the sample size is large enough, a number like %100 would make me skeptical of the whole experiment... just from a purely experimental standpoint. You'd have to expect SOME variance in SOME variable. From a personal standpoint, lately I've found that the sticks I've ordered from Atlantic (Cubao 1's and 5's and DPG blue label torps) have been just as good, if not better than those I've smoked at my B&M.

02-22-2009, 07:11 PM	#5
Commander Quan Feeling at Home Join Date: Oct 2008 First Name: Derrick Location: Canton, OH Posts: 966 Trading: (4)	Re: stirring the pot local B&M vs big internet Anyone want to set up a taste challenge? I there is no way it will be as epic as Moki Vs. Fredster but could be interesting.